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Episode #138: Bird Flu Crosses to A Human & "Vaccine Lettuce" Is a Pharmaceutical in TN · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_00: The two federal vets came to visit.
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  SPEAKER_00: One one was uh in Virginia and one was from I don't know out in Kansas or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: They knew about polyface and they they didn't come here looking for bird flu.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: They both sat right behind me in our in our front foyer here independently.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, one came like on a Monday, one came on a whatever Thursday or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And without provocation, both of them said every one of those 50 federal veterinarians working this case knew that the reason was because there are too many chickens in too tight quarters, in too close geographic proximity, you know, these houses on top of each other, one bum-bum-bum-bum.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if any of them said that publicly on the record anywhere, they would be fired within 24 hours.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Beyond Labels.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stina McCullough, and I'm here with our favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today we have a special podcast for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're actually going to talk about some current events in both agriculture and um the food supply.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, Joel, you have a really pressing event.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: So let's start with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so if you've had your ear to the news lately, you know that there's a tremendous amount of H1N1 high path avian influenza going through egg laying flocks, especially in Texas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh something like, you know, 4% of one huge uh outfits, chickens have been destroyed.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're killing millions and millions of chickens.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: The interesting thing about this one, I mean, you know, we have these outbreaks routinely around the country.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it seems like seems like at least once a year, you know, there's there, it's some it's somewhere.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but the interesting thing about this one is that it has jumped into dairy herds uh that are uh often, you know, fact factory farms kind of you know hang together.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh so these are dairy herds that are nearby.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the most interesting thing is that at least one worker has now come down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, it's not fatal.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they just had kind of uh red eyes and runny nose, you know, kind of thing.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a big deal at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but um, but the fact that we're we're seeing this jump species and then to human is is is quite interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, this isn't the first time this has happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, some supposedly, according to the the the bean counters, 888 people have have uh gotten H1N1 um high path avian influenza, you know, in like the last 20 years.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: So this is not unprecedented by any means, but it's just it's just another uh another time when we're seeing um the the fragility of the factory farm, the industrial food system manifest itself.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, the the thing is there's not uh see now a lot of people think there's so much there's so much uh wiggle room, slippage or you know, whatever for in in the food system.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: And there's really not.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the the in the the food industry is tied pretty close to consumption.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and and so listen, eggs, I mean, nobody wants to produce, you know, five percent more eggs than we need.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: What do you do with them?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, so so the the uh the production and the consumption are are are pretty are pretty carefully you know balanced within the industry.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so while while, for example, a four percent um reduction in egg layers may not sound like much to the average person, uh it it's it's it's hard to qu imagine how big that is, you know, within the industry when when a when a massive uh global thing like this drops this many birds.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot fewer eggs being produced, which means egg prices will go up.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and the beauty of that, that there's several things that are the good parts of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, if industrial eggs prices go up, then that means people like us with pastured eggs, GMO-free eggs, uh, you know, the the price becomes much more competitive.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: I remember uh the last huge spike we had in this pack when the when the birds were uh being killed in Iowa, uh, and we had that massive egg shortage.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I remember there for for about four months, actually, our polyface eggs were cheaper than in the store.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, that that has just never happened before.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, this is not something to everybody get all excited about, but it it is it is another reason to opt out of the industrial food system.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: The, you know, I hearken back to, you know, when we had a big outbreak here in in our area back uh 25, 20, 25 years ago, we had three of the vets, the federal vets they brought in.
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  SPEAKER_00: They brought in about 50, 50 uh vets from around the country to deal with the extermination, quarantine, all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is it it's hard to appreciate what exterminating like 100,000 chickens in a house.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you got to kill them, you gotta kill them, uh, and then you've got to load up all those carcasses.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, they don't go in and pick them up live.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, they kill them in the house, then they're picking up all these carcasses, and there are tractor trailer loads.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, tractor trailer loads of these uh that that that go somewhere uh to you know, incineration, to landfills, to whatever, uh composting, whatever.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um and and and and I well remember uh two of those federal vets came.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: I've told this story before, but it's it's such a profound story, it it bears repeating because I know we have people for whom this is the first time they've ever heard our podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um two federal vets came to visit.
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  SPEAKER_00: One one was uh in Virginia and one was from, I don't know, out in Kansas or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they they knew about polyface and they they didn't come here looking for bird flu.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just they just came because they wanted they were in the area, and oh, time to you know, we can go see polyface.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they asked if they could come out and see us.
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  SPEAKER_00: I said, sure, come on.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: And they both sat right behind me in our in our front foyer here, and um, independently, you know, one came like on a Monday, one came on a whatever Thursday or something.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: And without provocation, both of them said every one of those 50 federal veterinarians working this case knew that the reason was because there are too many chickens in too tight quarters, in too close geographic proximity, you know, these houses on top of each other, one bum, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah you know.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: But if but if any of them said that publicly on the record anywhere, they would be fired within 24 hours.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so here we are again.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the thing that everybody has to understand is as long as we have factory industrial farming and this kind of chicken production with no fresh air, no sunshine, no exercise in in completely uh um, you know, and anti-chickenness um systems, we're going to keep harvesting this um, you know, this influenza problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and it's going to continue to keep coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the way to the way to protect the chickens from it is to buy eggs from somebody that doesn't confine them in a house and uh, you know, in a in a factory house, and um, and the way to, you know, protect just, you know, we're we're in a time where the whatever, the the phrase of the day is defund, you know, I'm gonna defund this.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't be well, it's time to defund the poultry industry and um and and and you know and patronize the alternative.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: That this is not a this is not a marketing thing.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just telling you, there's no reason why our country needs to eat eggs from factory chickens.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh what we need is for you know is for that market to just go away.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: But it it it is it is concerning, you know, that it has jumped to dairies and then to people.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh does that mean is nobody knows right now.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: The the the scientists looking at this, they don't know if it's more virulent, they don't know they don't know what the end game is on it, but uh, but it is it is definitely affecting our uh our food supply.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's interesting to me is that when I uh I don't know if you know this, Joel, but I was vegan for a short period.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, you look at me with disdain.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know that, Cena.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like no, no.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: I um if you were if you were still, I might look at you with a weird look, but uh I I you know there's uh there there's nobody there's nobody who enjoys meat more than somebody who's converted, you know.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty cool.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, uh the reason I actually became vegan for a short period of time was because of the way that the animals are treated, right?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: So as you're speaking, I was like, and you're talking about defund the poultry industry.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: I got very excited, like from my core, because that's what I was trying to do many, many years ago.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think my son must have been not even one yet when I stumbled upon this is how they're treating the animals.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually at that time, Joel, I didn't even know the health benefits of getting out of the grocery store for your meat, poultry, eggs, and getting onto the farm.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that part.
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew how they I learned how they were treating the animals, and I decided I wasn't going to tolerate that.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I couldn't do that to the chickens.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like and and the cows, you know, and all the animals.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: So that was actually my initial reason for going vegan.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Now I got sicker when I when I was vegan, right?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that was a short-lived thing.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: But the only reason why I started eating the chicken and the meat and the eggs again is because my husband found polyface.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought, wow, there are farms that are treating the chickens as chickens, they're treating the cows as cows, the pigs as pigs, you know?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I didn't have that guilt associated anymore.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: But this is why I switched was because of the way they treat the chickens.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I would love it if if people can really just open their hearts to the cause of this, right?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we having all this flu?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you're saying it's these factory conditions.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: And would you want, would you want your chickens raised like that?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you even want them to have the chance to be susceptible to these kinds of microbes and outbreaks?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're possibly going to eat that and feed that to your kids or your grandkids, you know, like really try to think of this on that personal level.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Most of us keep it at bay because we're not the ones out there raising the chickens or killing the chickens or whatever.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: So we just buy it from the grocery store, right?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I did for so many years, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is not to shame anybody, it's to help bring awareness that there is a soul behind that, you know, chicken breasts that's laying there in the meat counter, right?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my other thing is a question for you on this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you know of any farmers who have truly pastured chickens, for instance, that have ever had chickens show up with like you know, the avian influenza?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: So so this is a really great question, uh, because it it's it it gets to nuance.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you you know, and I nuance is nuance is everything.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh the you know the the industry will constantly talk about um you know backyard chickens.
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  SPEAKER_00: We found it in backyard chickens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the thing you have to understand is the some of the filthiest chickens I've ever encountered are backyard chickens.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so you know, what when when remember when all this went through uh like like Laos and Vietnam and Cambodia, you know, several years ago, and then it it got as it got close to you know to the uh to Europe there.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um I you know I I talked to numerous people from those areas, and uh and it turned out that because there's so much two-legged theft in those countries, uh, you know, people, you you you you can't you can't leave your chickens outside.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so so they would bring the chickens in to the house.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you bring the chickens into the house without any bedding, without anything, and suddenly you've got six inches of raw poop that the chickens are living in, this raw poop in a coop, poop in a coop, uh in your, you know, literally in your living quarters, all right.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not healthy for anybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: It certainly isn't healthy for the chickens.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so uh the same thing in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've seen backyard flocks that are, you know, on a on a dirt moonscape.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, the chickens have mites, they're they're not healthy.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so yes, it has been found in backyard flocks.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that it's ever been found in what I would call a pastured flock.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh back many when when this was going through Indochina, Great Britain actually did research and they found that if a chicken gets two fresh blades of grass a day, they're basically immune to high pathavian influenza.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Just two blades of grass?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Two fresh blades of grass.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: There's enough, there's enough uh natural um antibodies or antibiotics and things in two, but so it can't be wilted.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, they've got to they've got to eat them from the ground.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because as soon as as soon as you cut grass, those things start to to volatilize.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, those phenols, phenols begin to to um volatilize.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: So it has to be uh fresh, fresh plucked.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now, um, when I saw that study, it made me wonder why you know the the industry always says this is brought in by wild birds, you know, ducks and geese and and stuff, you know, the wild birds are bringing this around.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: So um obviously, if those birds have it, they're not dying in large numbers, you know, they're they're the what the weak ones die and the strong ones survive, you know.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: And and of course, that's what I've said to this all along.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: If you actually have this, um, there are always survivors.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: And what the industry ought to be doing is you know, the ones that that that get over it and survive well, those should be the genetic base for the next generation, not just blanket annihilation of every single bird, but actually let's let's let's cultivate the you know the good ones.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I think this discussion, Cena, leads uh uh perfectly into another topic that you had in mind for today, which is this mrna in food in Tennessee, because the mrna is being uh promoted as a way as a um as a vaccine alternative within the industry.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: And and the the reason the reason for all this is because the immuno immun compromise, if you will, in these factory high-density industrial settings is so acute that it that the the pathogenicity and the toxicity of the environment, just just the the fecal, the fecal dust that the bird that the animals are are breathing in, uh it it's stronger than the immune system in its natural state can you know can handle.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have we have a push now for mRNA and other things going on.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So uh bring us up to what's happening in Tennessee.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we previously recorded several podcasts on mRNA vaccines being introduced into the food supply.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: So this is an update.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I got this article from Zero Hedge.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'll post it in the description.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's titled Tennessee Lawmakers Pass Bill targeting mRNA vaccines in food.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what we have here is a bill, HB1894, in Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was passed by the Senate um on March 28th.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was passed by the House on March 4th.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I just checked right before this podcast.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's waiting for the governor's signature, right?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was sent to him April 10th and it's waiting for the signature.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: So what sign it?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um the hope is that he is going to sign it.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Say it that way.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: So um so what it what's interesting about this one is that it's gonna require any food containing vaccines or vaccine material to be labeled as a pharmaceutical drug.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: So the um one of so the Republican uh representative Scott, um, I think you say it's Cepicky.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: C Picky.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what he said was, quote, you would have to get a prescription for that to make sure that we know how much of the lettuce you had to you have to eat based off of your body type, so that we don't undervaccinate you, which could lead to you know decreased efficacy, right, of the drug.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we don't overdose you based on how much of the lettuce is actually eaten.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So the bill is basically going to um it's in response to the University of California Riverside research project where they're they're looking at whether mRNA, you know, could targeting different pathogens could be implanted into edible plants.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: They got a$500,000 grant from the National Science Foundation.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: The one of the professors at UC Riverside said, This we are testing this approach with spinach and lettuce, and we have long-term goals of people growing it in their own gardens.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: He then adds, farmers could also eventually grow entire fields of it.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, according to that same professor, which his name is um Juan Pablo, he says, quote, ideally, a single plant would produce enough mRNA to vaccinate a single person.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: So what these um lawmakers are saying is that now, because it is going to be like a drug, right?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be consuming it to actually get your vaccine.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: That they wanna, what they're doing is they're changing the definition.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: So if you look at this actual bill, it's talking about how now a drug, this vaccine will also include any foods that can tame a vaccine or a vaccine particle.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how they're gonna get it classified as like a quote-unquote pharmaceutical, um, that you would then have to have a prescription.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that Republican um Scott actually says, so if you want to consume them, meaning this vaccinated lettuce, you would go to your doctor and get a prescription, period.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought that was actually really clever, a really clever approach.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they both passed it.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um it wasn't a unanimous vote, but it still got passed.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, of course, your good friend Massey also chimed in sounding the alarm.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he said that in Massey said that in September of 2023, um, he highlighted that an edible vaccine was introduced into a corn crop that was used to feed pigs in order to mitigate diarrhea.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: But the corn crop became co-mingled with a soybean crop.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: It contaminated 500,000 bushels of that soybean crop that had to be recalled.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he also said that this is Massey again, said that there was another case where the pollen actually did cross-contaminate another crop of corn, and 155 acres of the corn had to be burned.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Massey concluded by saying, What are the cases where we're not discovering this?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the two that they actually identified it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, how many more are happening that they haven't actually discovered it?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, quote, I think it's dangerous to play God with our food.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Totally on board with Massey.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm hoping this actually works, that the governor signs it.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, you and I are not big fans of uh more legislation, right?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um but but you know, Sina, isn't isn't it fascinating that the ones that are leading this charge are the are the conservatives?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's that's what's interesting.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and and we're you know, we're not we're not partisan on this podcast.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: We try to say a bit of it, but but you can't help but just appreciate here we are with these um supposedly anti environmentalist, uh destroy the world conservatives, and they're the ones that are putting up these these um these.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Protective barriers so you and I don't eat something that we don't want to eat.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: When I read this, um, the quote from the representative Scott about, oh, you know, you have to get a prescription because you might over-vaccinate or unvaccinate.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm immediately, Joel, I thought, are they listening to our podcast?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because remember in the episode that we did about mRNA food, that's what we said.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I remember talking to you about how do you actually manage dosage.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these things you need to be pretty precise.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not overdosing or underdosing.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: You could even in the vaccine industry, they talk about if you underdose somebody, you can decrease the efficacy, you know, and jeopardize the entire population.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: So it, so it they're talking about the exact same thing that you and I were theorizing about.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and on those lines, I thought this was a great uh update because we had several listeners who actually sent in comments and responses.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought it'd be kind of cool to address those in the time that we have remaining because he's all involved this mRNA technology, and our listeners are very upset about it.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, it reminds me of like the Minutemen, right?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: In the American Revolution.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're ready, we're ready to pass, you know.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: So one um one email came in from um Megan, I think it's Meinzinger and family, and she talks about um thanking us for addressing the mRNA technology and the food supply.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Her husband recently brought it to her um to their attention.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: She and she greatly appreciates the insight and the information that we've shared.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Keep up the good work.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought we just did, Joel.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Keep them keep them informed of what's going on.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the next one is actually a wonderful question from Janice Williams.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: She talks about um, this is what she's asking.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: If the ag industry has been working for years to narrow genetic diversity and livestock feed and plant foods for human consumption, doesn't that increase the dangers by customizing these vaccines?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: If we basically have like one or two or so gene bases in a particular livestock or plant species, are we increasing dangers of catastrophic disease if there is a vaccine failure?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a mistake in sequencing the RNA or an adverse reaction in a particular species.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: That could maybe result in an extinction reaction to said vaccine, couldn't it?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought this was a fantastic, insightful question.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: The quick answer is yes, it could, right?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, decreasing the biodiversity in the animals and crops, it does open you up to problems.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about this before on the podcast, like the Irish potato famine in the 1800s, right?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: The black came in and it it killed the crap and people starved.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it is possible if let's say this catches on, and now we have uh and we have corn, right?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Massey even um referenced corn that was produced and contaminated, uh cross-contaminated.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say this catches on, and there's a vaccine in corn, and then it gets subsidized by the government, right?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're nudging these farmers to plant this type of corn crop, and we'll pay you to plant that, and we'll pay for any overage, right?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which then where does the overage grow?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Into the food supply, burned into sugar and stuff.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: So if that does happen, you can see how it could set up that crop to potentially have a catastrophic failure.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it, you know, ended up maybe, maybe the crop dies, maybe the crop has uh some kind of genetic issue that happens with it because these genes don't transcribe and translate in isolation and work in isolation, right?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: We we know that they co-mingle with other genes and other covariables and cofactors, coenzymes.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it is possible that something like that could happen.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: What's the probability of that?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anybody knows at this point, but you're absolutely correct, Janice, that it's that is highly possible.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Jill, do you want to chime in?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just I just wanted to point out that the reason for that corn, uh for that corn thing was to s was in order to stop diarrhea in pigs.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, healthy pigs don't have diarrhea.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, if you were if you were confined with 50 pigs your whole life in a on a slatted floor in a tiny cubicle cell, um you would probably be so emotionally upset you'd have diarrhea too.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so again, it's the same, it's the same as the high path avian influenza.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: The all of these things, they, yes, have they existed for a long time?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Pigs some pigs have gotten diarrhea, you know, since there have been pigs.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, probably some birds have gotten H1N, you know, in one in flu, you know, since there have been birds.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: But but they're not they're not economically significant uh in you know in in natural systems.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's only when you when you confine them into these high density um commodity industrial systems that these things become really an you know an economic problem.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh so it's another example of where you instead of trying to solve the problem, you're trying to in trying to invent a stronger band-aid to mask the problem that you already created because you created it.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's it's just it's nuts.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's like that cycle's never gonna end.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, it's getting worse because you know, they had the what they had fertilizers, they um they created the GMOs, they created the pesticides, like they're they're perpetually creating creating one more man-made solution to a man-made problem, right?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that for me, this one draws the line because you're potentially contaminating the other crops and you know, the other animals.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: And at what point is does it become irreversible, right?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, life, look, living things bump into each other, yeah.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: And whether it's it's uh microbes in your microbiome, or whether it's you know, you and your spouse, or you and your kids, or or or you know, uh the bird and the tree, uh, the soybean and the corn.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um as opposed to you know um it the car just sits there.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, machines just sit there.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: They don't they don't inherently trade with each other and move around.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas living things, our our whole bodies, our whole cell structures are one big, you know, uh uh trading bazaar, if you will, you know, and and and and all these things are trading around.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, you you you you take this view, you and you start playing around with this, and who knows where where that ends up.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I couldn't help but um but imagine a satirical, you know, uh an essay of satire over the you know the lettuce leaves that have a vaccine in them, and and um so you sit down, well I'm just a I'm just a two-leaf guy, you know.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody else sits down, well, I'm I'm a four-leaf guy.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, uh, I mean, it's it's it's prepa it's preposterous when you start you know looking at it that way.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's preposterous that we would actually have a doctor's prescription for so many leaves of this kind of lettuce uh a day.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, isn't that that's crazy?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I I find it hard to believe that that lettuce is gonna produce the exact same amount of vaccine at every stage of its life, of course, you know.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, how are you even gonna regulate that or like go out there and measure?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the height of the leaf of this turt certain species means it's ready.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, come on, it's it's really getting to that point where I'm like, is this a dream?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, seriously, and how arrogant do we have to be?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, just stop it already, you know.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, on that note, I'm gonna we have enough time.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna wrap this up with one more um email from another listener.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: This one is from Jimmy Hoffler on this same topic of the mRNA and the food supply.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Hey guys, not sure um if anybody's gonna get this.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: We got it, Jimmy.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: He says, but I'm living outside a small city called Limbrook in Ireland, and over the last year, all the pharma companies you've spoken about today.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that was in the podcast about the mRNA being introduced in the food supply.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: So all those farmers we talked about in that podcast, they're building huge factories at breakneck speed.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: I feel something underhanded is happening.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if something underhanded is happening there.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: My first thought was that I, you know, Ireland uh tends to be a little more tax friendly, either through tax shelter tax structure or tax incentives.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know that I at least I think like in the last decade, there have been several types of companies that have moved um over either headquarters or parts of them out of the US and over to Ireland because of the friendly tax structure.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, I I don't know that I I I don't think that the it doesn't seem like the pharmaceutical companies at this point are trying to do this covertly, right?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: There seems to be um even a push in the media to support this.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know that they're actually doing that underhanded, but I can't speak for them.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I my instinct says that this is probably for tax purposes.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: But what's the what do you say, Joel?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think people don't realize how anti-business American American tax structure is, and the current administration is trying to make it way, way worse.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, has pledged to to to do to really do uh um you know a penalty, penalty style uh tax structure for businesses in the U.S.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so this whole, well, you know, Ross Perot, remember Ross Perot said that sucking sound, remember you that sucking sound is American business leaving America.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, and so this has been going on, this didn't start with this administration.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: This has been going on for quite some time, and uh and and so other countries um have figured it out and figured out well, you know, if we're friendly to business, uh that makes us a you know a a better, a better place.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and I Ireland definitely uh has gotten that perspective.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, Ireland is is from a if you look at business stuff, Ireland is as they say, it's it's cooking, it's cooking with gas, you know, their their role and uh because they have such a good um struck uh tax structure.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and now you know, Jimmy, that's not to say that we agree with them putting all these pharmaceutical companies up, right?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like I would I don't want that to happen either.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's like we drive down the street and we and my husband and I see all these hospitals and nursing homes popping up, like because that's the way that our society is going, right?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're going towards sick, sick people and younger sick people.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the more of these pharma companies that you see popping up, why is that it's not because they have all this money and they just want to put businesses everywhere, right?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: They're making stuff because people are taking it, we're consuming it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it is, it does hurt my heart when I see all those new ones popping up.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I on that I totally agree with you, Jimmy.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: I would much rather see things like um farms, you know, true farms, like ecologically friendly farms popping up all over the place, or or leave the land alone and let it stay natural, right?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Just live, let it be.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which which brings us, I think, to uh to uh a little uh quick plug here for the um the two days of truth uh summit presented by Beyond Labels.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we're gonna do our fourth one this year, the two days of truth, that many people have gotten familiar with.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And and the this this whole, you know, you said it's we're sicker.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's not because suddenly we want to build a bunch of hospitals, it's that it's that we're we're sicker.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: And this year's theme is uh is detoxing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we live in a toxic uh a toxic soup, if you will.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Everything from you know chemtrails to uh goodness, uh, you know, consumables and whatever.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: And and um and so it you know it's it's hard to get away from it.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so anyway, um we we hope we'll see a lot of you at the two days of truth uh summit here at Polyface Farm uh coming up and and learn how to um you know how to keep from entering.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Let's yeah, it's it's time it's time to defund the hospitals too.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh by uh not because we don't like them, but because we don't need them.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that that's that's the idea.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 35:53
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• 35:56
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• 36:01
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• 36:03
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