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What's The ATF Doing To Federally Licensed Firearms Dealers? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Good morning, Good morning, good morning, and welcome to show four thousand,
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  nine hundred and seventy six of The Morning Show with Preston Scott Cruising.
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  The show five thousand scheduled tentatively for the day after Labor Day in early September,
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  but we thank you as always for joining us. We try not to
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  ever let you down dutifully running the program over there is Grant Allen in Studio
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  one A. I'm here in Studio one B and I'm thrilled to have back
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  with us for his monthly visit. Lee Williams aka the gun Writer. You
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  can find his work at the gunwriter dot substack dot com. Support the work
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  that he does, and Lee, welcome back to the show. How are
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  you, my brother? Oh man, it has been a month, hasn't
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  it? Yeah? Yeah, it absolutely has. In fact, before I
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  get to some of the stories that you've been covering, because they're so important,
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  and I'm really encouraging people to sign up, get on your email distribution
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  list, get hooked up into the articles that you're writing, because you're covering
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  things that really impact our livelihoods. Because if it impacts the Second Amendment,
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  it impacts the rest of it. If we don't keep the Second Amendment strongly.
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  The rest of it's gone. So let me first get your reaction when
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  you saw the plea deal blow up for Hunter Biden, which included gun charges
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  that some people are sitting in prison over. What was your reaction. I
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  laughed. I knew it was going to explode. I've worked in Delaware.
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  Delaware as a corrupt little state and that everybody knows everybody or is related to
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  everybody, so I knew they're going to try and put a fix in.
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  Thank god, we have a good judge who understood the law and stop that
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  cold. I've never seen a case like this where you have the defense attorneys
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  and the prosecution acting as co conspirators basically to get Hunter off and get him
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  off forever it was. It was disgusting. I'm glad it stop. I'm
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  glad it was called out. Now. I wonder if the prosecution is going
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  to do what they would traditionally do, which would be to charge him with
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  everything they've got. That's what you do. When they plead guilty or when
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  they plead not guilty, justice will step up and say, okay, you
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  want to go to trial, here's the charges. I'm really wondering what they're
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  going to do, if they're going to do that for Hunter. Well,
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  but obviously the justice departments compromise because they work for Joe Biden. And you
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  just have to wonder if the best strategy here is, and I don't know
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  how you employ it, would be to somehow string this thing out until we
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  have a new person in the White House. Yeah, they could, but
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  you know, I'm still hoping. I've still got a little bit of hope
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  left that the people in charge will now realize that, Hey, the whole
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  country's watching. Everybody knows this is a dual standard of justice. Let's do
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  the right thing, Let's charge him up, and let's move forward. Ultimately,
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  I've seen the speculation Joe pardon's Hunter and then steps down and doesn't run.
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  If he truly loves his son he says he does, that's a heck
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  of a possibility. I don't know either way it's going to play out.
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  At least it will be in the public eye right now. I was shocked
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  when I saw that that plea deal that basically offered him immunity for everything under
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  the sun. It's just a complete miscarriage of justice. Unlike anything you or
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  I would ever dream of seeing. I still go back to that young lady
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  in Iowa who lied on her forty four seventy three about her drug abuse,
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  just like Hunter did. She's serving a year and a day in the federal
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  have a chuckle here and there. Just like that, it's the Morning Show
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  with Preston Scott. All right, you're caught up on weather, in traffic.
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  We're joined by Lee Williams, the gunwriter dot substack dot com. You
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  can subscribe easily to the emails and get information you're just not going to find
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  anywhere else, especially as it relates to the Second Amendment, firearms and all
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  of the issues that surrounded Lee. You've been following the ATF and some of
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  the things that they're doing to just sort of lay a little bit of a
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  groundwork for our listeners, explain what a home based gun dealer is. You
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  can get federal firearm license to sell guns without a brick and mortar store.
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  A lot of people do. It was wildly popular, more popular years ago
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  than it is now. But There are a lot of people who have a
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  federal firearms license who sell guns out of their home. They'll either have a
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  space dedicated in their basement or a spare room, and that's where they operate.
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  And there's nothing wrong with that. It's one hundred percent legal. Now,
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  what's the ATF been doing. They've been abusing them. They've been trying
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  to force them out of business. They'll hit him with a swat. They
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  hit this poor guy in Oklahoma. He's a high school teacher. He's also
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  an ordained Baptist pastor. They hit his house with a twelve man ATF SWAT
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  team, cuffed him in front of his thirteen year old son, yelled and
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  berated him on the porch until finally he said, well, do you want
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  my FFL? That bad? Here it is, and he voluntarily quote unquote
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  surrendered his federal firearms license. This is what they're doing because Joe Biden said
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  two years ago the country's overrun with quote rogue gun dealers. Of course there
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  aren't any, so the ATF is going out of their way to try and
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  get him scolts. They're trying to get FFLs. They're revoking them, or
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  they're going to these kitchen table guys as they used to be called, home
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  based gun dealers, and they're trying to intimidate them into surrendering their license,
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  and unfortunately it's working. A couple times, they tried the same crap to
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  a guy in Texas who's been a home based gun dealer for thirty years,
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  and he said, no, he's fighting. But yeah, they're trying to
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  intimidate them through force of arms preston into surrendering their federal firem's license. It's
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  a huge civil rights violation. It is a pattern and practice of civil rights
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  violations. I hope there will be a lawsuit, probably a class action coming
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  soon against the after doing this, because this is wrong, and most importantly,
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  they're gonna get somebody killed, gonna get somebody killed. Let's use the
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  guy in Oklahoma as an example. After the shock of what happened and I
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  get it, I mean I get the shock, and you're just you're in
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  a total panic after it wears off. What has he said in the in
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  the aftermath of it. Is he thinking about a lawsuit? He may,
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  I think we're going to have a heck of a lot of more plainests in
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  his situation. So it wouldn't be just him. You know, he was
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  scared. He's a good man, talking him at like he's a great guy,
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  but he's you know, he's a high school teacher, he has a
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  he's got a church. That scared the hell out of him, especially since
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  his kid was there. And the thing is, the ATF phone was in
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  a dent said hey, we're going to come over. So he thought he
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  was going to see a couple agents, maybe a couple inspectors, and then
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  they hit him with the swat team. I mean, he was legitimately scared.
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  And of course then they take all his guns. And we don't know
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  why because he hasn't been charged with anything, but they took all his guns.
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  Anyway, Lee, if there, if there were such a thing as
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  a rogue gun dealer, wouldn't that in fact fall right back on the federal
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  government Because it's a federal firearms license, right, So they've they've gone through
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  the steps that the federal government has required of them to establish their their credibility
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  and their lawfulness to obtain the license. So isn't this in fact an indictment
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  on them? It is? It is, And here's the here's the strange
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  part. You know, I everybody I know says, if we truly have
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  a rogue, if we have somebody who's not running background checks or who's transferring
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  firearms to prohibited people with felony records, mine take them out, charge them,
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  do whatever you got to do. But they had, they had to
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  change the standards so substantially to be able to start revoking f FFLs before.
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  If an FFL made an f a gun dealer made a clerical error on a
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  forum, you know that was what it is. It was a clerical error.
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  Now ATF considers it a willful violation and ATF rules and your license is
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  forfeit. It sounds incredible, It sounds unbelievable, but it's true. Tell
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  can subscribe and you'll get notified with stories throughout the week, newsletters, really
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  good information. Lead back a couple It was a few years ago in fact
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  more, it was before COVID. In fact, it was in the wake
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  of one of these shootings that Dick Sporting Goods Academy Sports started to say no
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  to carrying certain firearms. And we always kind of said, okay, bass
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  Pro shops hanging in there, But what what am I seeing here as far
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  as their background check policies? What's changed? This kind of freaked us out
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  a lot of us. I'm totally with you, support your local gun shop.
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  I do not buy guns at the big box gun stores. Sometimes guys
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  will go there just because they have more more selection. A guy from Tampa,
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  Cecil Tremble, thirty five year old manages a restaurant, went to Basspro
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  to get some fishing year taking care of sauce sig sixty five x Macro that
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  he'd been looking for eight hundred bucks for it. That's not a bad price.
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  So he plunks down his concealed weapon license support bills out of forty four
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  seventy three expects to walk out of there with that pistol within fifteen twenty minutes.
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  And the clerk came over to him and I'm quoting here. The ATF
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  has approved you, but we're denying the purchase life told them, yeah,
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  I know. Right. Turns out they maintain a list of addresses of people
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  who have been denied on a background check, and Trimble's brother in law,
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  who lived with him years ago, had been in there about a month ago,
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  and he'd never updated his driver's license, so he's still got Trimble's address
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  on there, and he self denies on a forty four or seventy three,
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  meaning he's screwed up one of the questions, which is kind of easy to
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  do if you're in a hurry. Are you refuse you too from justice?
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  Yes? Or something like that. So because they had the same address,
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  Trimble was told it's store policy that they would not sell it to him.
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  Now, of course they're thinking of a straw purchase, right, But a
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  straw purchase usually happens within seventy two hours. Somebody goes in, they want
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  to buy a block, they get denied. Somebody comes in same address,
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  like five hours later they want to buy the same block. That's a that's
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  a straw purchase, buying for somebody else. But Trimble's brother in law tried
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  to buy a crappy two hundred dollars revolver. He was trying to buy an
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  eight hundred dollars and I know meiter manager said nothing we could do. It's
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  a store policy. And mister Trimble correctly pointed out out that as it stands
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  now, neither he nor anybody at his address could ever buy another gun from
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  bass Pro. Ever again, and I should point out, his brother in
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  law's not a prohibited person retired military has his own CWFL. So I called
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  a bass Pro and everybody at bass Pro, from corporate comm staff to the
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  manager of the store in Tampa, nobody would talk. Finally got this guy
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  named Joe in guns and he said, quote, we do keep a datalogue
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  on this, however, this is nothing that he can talk about it at
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  the store level. Now, you got to keep in mind, Preston,
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  a gun dealer can refuse a sail for they don't even need a reason,
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  right, And I've seen good gun dealers do this, good local gun dealers,
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  you know, the guys acting hinky. Guys acting hinky, they don't
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  have to make a sale. But these big box stores, I mean,
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  this is wrong, this is wrong, and bass Pro really needs to rethink
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  what they're doing, I mean, or they're going to go down the same
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  road that Dix went down. Okay, so we're going to become just another
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  anti gun whatever. So you covered this a week ago, you release this
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  story a week ago. Surely by now it's made its way to the upper
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  echelons of Bass Pro Shop and no one's reached out to you. Nope,
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  not at all. It's the bunker mode. Man, Oh my god,
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  there's bad news. Let's go into the bunker door. Yeah, it's stupid.
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  So what are you working on now that We won't go into details,
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  but you can tease for us. Let's just say this. We are not
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  letting go of what the ATF is doing to gun dealers. I mean,
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  these are friends of mine, these are friends of yours. These are small
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  businessmen and small businesswomen who aren't getting rich, they're just getting by, and
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  the federal government is going after them because Joe wants gun dealers put out of
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  business. So we've got a couple more things coming on ATF and how stupid
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  and how illegal and how unconstitutional their actions are becoming. And it's there's no
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  standard here, Preston. That's the that's the big thing. What they'll do
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  to force one gun dealer out of business is different compared to what they'll do
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  to force another out. The bottom line is there, it's an overreach,
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  it's unconstitutional, and it will not stand and it won't hold up to public
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  scrutiny either. That's the big thing in closing. Circling back to where we
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  started in Oklahoma. What's the What was the charge on this guy? What
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  was he being accused of doing? There wasn't any charge on this guy.
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  That's the big thing. They just say that too many of his guns had
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  showing up in traces and they're worried that he's selling guns at gun shows.
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  There's no definite you did this wrong. He has yet to be charged with
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  a crime, probably never will be because they got what they want. They
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  actually told him, if you just forfeit your license and forfeit your guns,
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  all this can go away. Wow. Yeah, And these are guys who
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  don't have one hundred grand in the bank to fight the HF in court.
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  Yep, yep. All right. Well, I know we're going to stay
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  in touch and we'll talk again next month and maybe we'll have some developments and
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  maybe we'll have the beginnings of a class action lawsuit. Lee. Thanks for
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  the work you're doing. Brother. I appreciate it, my pleasure. Thanks
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  for helping get the word out. Thank you, sir Lee Williams. It's
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  the Gunwriter dot substack dot com. On the Morning Show with Preston Scott