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Dean Dwyer: American Voters Slow Leftward Spiral As Australia Watches Closely · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hello, friends.
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  Thank you so much for tuning in, for sharing the podcast, listening, watching.
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  We're going down Anda today, one of our great dear brothers, Dean Dwyer, pastor of
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  Isar Street Baptist Church, and to Wumba, Australia, the website is Isar Street, ST,
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  Isar Street, Baptist Church.com.
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  And of course, you can get a lot of Dean's articles over at Harbinger's Daily.
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  He's got a page there, Harbinger's Daily.com.
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  Dean, so good to have you, brother.
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  Thanks for getting up early with us.
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  Thank you, David.
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  Yes, from all the way down in the Southern Hemisphere, G'day to you, your team, all your
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  viewers and listeners.
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  And thanks for mentioning Harbinger's Daily as well, they're great supporters of our
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  ministry.
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  I see they're going through a fundraiser at the moment, so I want to encourage all who
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  are able to financially support them, please do so, because it is a wonderful, wonderful
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  ministry.
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  It is the season, it's our fundraiser too, so great minds think alike.
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  So Dean and I talked about all the possible things we could discuss today, and we're
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  going to talk about American voters and kind of like we have a little victory, brief
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  reprieve or victory over socialism, Marxism, and the Australian government dissing Israel
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  and how Australia kind of keeps an eye on American politics.
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  We'll talk about all that, before we do, I want to give you an opportunity to share
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  a little bit about, we haven't talked about this in a while, sound the alarms, sound the
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  alarms.com, remind us of what that's about.
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  Yeah, so sound the alarms is our system ministry, so that is our vehicle for promoting Bible
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  prophecy and the biblical worldviews, so people can visit sound the alarms.com.
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  They'll find a lot of material which is mirrored from the Isle of Street site, but as I
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  said, that is our specific ministry vehicle for Bible prophecy.
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  As we all know, as the remnant church, we are watchmen on the wall, and so this is an
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  important aspect of any ministry is being in a position to discern what's happening within
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  Bible prophecy and outline what God's word says about it.
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  Unfortunately, I think at the moment as we get towards the end of the church age, there
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  is a lot of sensationalism out there, so I think there's a high degree of caution that's
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  needed to be exercised by believers because there can be material that takes people away
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  from the Word of God, so we always want to, and this is why I appreciate your show so much,
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  David.
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  We always want to bring it back to the truth of the Scriptures and see what God says
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  on a particular matter.
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  Amen, and we're going to dive into that and then just look at the perspective of what
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  happened with the election and where things are at now with Dean in a minute, but I want
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  to give you an opportunity to share about a very sweet voice from your church.
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  Her name is Ange Leman, and there's a song that she put out on your YouTube channel,
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  Isle of Street Baptist Church, YouTube channel is called, Your Word is True.
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  Just tell us a little bit about that briefly.
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  Amen.
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  Well, as the title gives away, this is a song that Ange wrote under inspiration of the
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  Holy Spirit, and as you mentioned, she is a beautiful soul, beautiful voice, and so this
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  song was written.
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  She just sat down at the piano one day and she was really convicted.
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  She'd caught up with some people and they were talking about the Word of God, and she just
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  felt this deep conviction come over her about writing a song, about the truth of God's
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  word, and so this song was poured into her, like many good Christian songwriters, they have
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  a testimony where they say, you know, I tried to write things in the flesh and it just didn't
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  work, but she just sat at the piano in the spirit, and this was poured into her, and the
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  song is just absolutely beautiful, and so very capably backed up as well by our choir.
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  So Ange is the main vocalist and pianist on the track, and then we have the choir in
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  the back there as well.
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  Shockingly, I wasn't asked to join the choir, David, because I can I say my singing voice
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  is akin to an elephant in labor, so we can't auto tune that out.
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  For those who have not heard an elephant in labor, use your imagination.
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  That's funny, that's funny, Dean.
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  So let's jump into the topic today.
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  I told you before we got on the podcast, it's very interesting to me to hear someone's
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  view outside of America looking at what happens here politically, culturally with the church
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  in America, and that's all what we're going to discuss today, because several weeks ago
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  the Cultural Research Center, George Barna, came out with a lot of information and a
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  breakdown of how Christians and how Americans and people just voted or not voted in this
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  election.
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  It said Americans' faith, core values, drove Trump to landslide election victory, and
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  that's according to this research.
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  So according to them, it says Christian support was crucial, even though millions of Christians
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  still didn't vote, yet those who did made a crucial impact in this election in the landslide
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  victory, and young adults and Hispanics, surprisingly, especially the young adult part.
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  That's what, Dean, that's one thing that really surprised me, contributed to the success
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  if you're a Christian conservative, independent, you know, believer in America, and you don't
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  support the Marxist unbiblical leftist worldview, then you're thinking, wow, that's interesting
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  that that really made an impact.
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  So let's break this down.
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  You sent a lot of notes over based on this same research, and so let's break it down step
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  by step.
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  Whatever you want to share first, right off the top, your view of what's going on here,
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  what God might be doing.
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  Sure, thank you.
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  Can I start by saying that it might be foreign to Americans, but Australians do have a key
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  interest and a key perspective on American politics, because what happens in America does
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  impact not only the world, but Australia specifically, and that's for a number of reasons,
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  I guess, because of some key political, military, and intelligence alliances.
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  So we are pretty tightly knit together.
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  So you will find that Australians have a key interest in American politics for that particular
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  reason.
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  I think socially as well, there's a big impact that America has on Australia.
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  And so as you said, a lot of Western nations at the moment, they're gripping with socialist
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  and Marxist and communist policies.
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  And so this is where Australia is at, where in kind of this strange transitional period
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  where we're going from somewhat a free democratic nation into a socialist country.
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  So we are as well in a strange place just like America is.
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  So this is why in Australia, we often like to talk about American politics because we
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  know that we'll have a significant impact on where we head.
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  But can we start by saying, as you mentioned in the Banner Report, that once again, Christian
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  support was crucial for the outcome of the election.
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  And many Australians, I know we're cheering Trump's victory over Harris as much as many
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  Americans were.
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  But when I looked at some of the Australian statistics and polls here, what I was disappointed
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  to see was that in Australia, had we had the same choice between Trump and Harris, 67%
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  of Australians would have gone in the direction of Harris, which is really disappointing.
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  But I guess that just confirms what we are feeling is that Australia is starting to
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  lurch to the left quite significantly.
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  Starting?
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  Starting here?
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  Well, we're well on the way, unfortunately.
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  Try to arrest that slide, as you know, politically and socially, as just really, really difficult.
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  And so we do as much as we can as church leaders trying to promote the biblical worldview,
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  which socialism and communism is not compatible with the biblical worldview.
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  This is what people aren't grasping.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And you're right.
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  They're not grasping that.
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  I mean, even four to eight years ago, there was a research that came out.
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  I believe I remember 65 roughly percent of young people, millennials, supported socialism.
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  They were supporting Bernie Sanders, the radical from Vermont at the time.
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  And you're thinking, well, this ahead scratcher, and then you have to look at, back up,
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  look at the culture, look at the education system, look at the universities.
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  And you're okay.
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  That makes sense.
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  Dean, before we move on and talk about the fact that 45% of eligible Americans did not
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  vote.
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  In other words, they were either able to vote or are registered and did not vote in Australia.
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  People vote in every election, am I wrong?
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  Now you're not wrong.
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  Yeah.
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  We have a mandatory voting system in Australia, so we don't get to opt out.
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  If you don't vote, then you do get a small fine.
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  Wow.
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  And there are some people who don't vote because of religious belief, some are disinterested.
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  But yeah, in Australia, so for better or worse, our mandatory voting system means that
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  everyone goes to the polls on voting day.
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  And so whether we get a good cross-section of voting based on people's political interest,
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  we're really not sure.
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  But people vote and so an American system where it's not mandatory is a little bit foreign
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  to Australians.
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  So we're quite shocked to see the stats on the fact that 45% of Americans abstained from
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  voting in the latest elections.
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  So that's really foreign to us and we're confused by that because if you are concerned with
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  the direction of your country, then would you not be politically active and ensure that
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  you have a vote which counts towards the direction that you want to see your country go?
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  It's interesting that you would think that everybody, adult, every adult citizen would
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  be really either concerned or engaged.
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  And one of the statistics that Barna and the research center talked about was this, the
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  political engagement dropped significantly with only 44% of adults closely following
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  politics this year and that's down from 58%, almost 60%, just four years ago.
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  What does that indicate, reduced voter enthusiasm for whatever reason?
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  And you can speculate all day long.
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  But I thought that was interesting that political engagement has decreased at a time, Dean
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  Dwyer, where our country could have really lurched to the left and possibly for the last
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  time, if the Marxist and Socialist would have held office.
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  That would have been a very dangerous time for freedom in America and possibly our future.
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  Your thoughts on that?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  And again, it comes back to voter engagement.
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  So again, we find it confusing that people would be not engaged, but there were three main
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  areas where people indicated that they didn't vote.
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  One was disinterest.
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  They just lost particular interest in what was going on politically.
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  We can appreciate that.
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  But again, if you're going to show disinterest at that level, then don't complain when
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  policies go in the opposite direction and freedom start to be taken away.
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  In the disenfranchisement, I mean, I know that there are a lot of pastors and podcasters
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  in America who were really impressing upon people, Christians in particular, that it was
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  going to be very, very important to vote because we know that there are political parties
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  who do want to press socialism and communism.
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  And so again, it comes back to the lack of education, particularly in the youth, that do
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  not understand what socialism and communism is.
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  Exactly.
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  After our break, we'll talk, we might talk a little bit more about that because there's
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  some really alarming statistics on how many young people want to see socialist and communist
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  policies introduced into Western systems.
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  Well, you say you mentioned, and we're going to keep going back and forth to Australia.
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  And then back to America here.
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  And you mentioned in the notes you sent me, one in three people in Australia do want
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  socialism, even though they can't accurately define it.
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  So that sounds so American.
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  I mean, you look at our universities, they call it higher education, but I think that's
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  not an accurate description of what happens at the colleges.
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  Alex Newman calls them, what is it?
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  No, that's the, he calls K through 12, the government brainwashed camps.
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  I can't remember what he calls the universities.
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  But so you've got people that want socialism, but they don't really understand the world
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  wide horrors and failures of socialism and the death that has been caused by that ideology.
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  It really is sad as the ignorance of history.
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  Just brief comment on that and then we'll take a break.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  In the 20th century alone, 262 million people lost their lives under communist or fascist
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  governments, 262 million, more than any, all of the wars combined.
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  That's so brilliant.
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  I mean, I've heard some of the arguments.
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  They say, well, the reason socialism or Marxism failed is because it wasn't carried out
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  properly and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, they've had enough tries at it in some of these
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  countries.
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  Anyway, Dean Dwyer's our guest day, again, friends, the website harborsesdaily.com or
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  Dean Dwyer, our guest today, so let's compare America and Australia one more time in what
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  voters consider important issues.
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  And you mentioned three hot button topics in the US.
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  Go ahead.
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  So in the US, the three main topics of interest were inflation, 38%.
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  Immigration and border control, obviously a well-publicized issue in the US at the moment, 30%
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  of people were interested in that abortion, 23%.
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  So it goes to prove that unfortunately, let's call it what it is, baby killing is still
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  top of the agenda of many politicians.
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  And that's the same in Australia as well.
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  When we had a recent state election, it was surprising to see on the voting ballots.
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  We, I said to someone, we fundamentally had a choice between a Christian party, a party
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  which wanted to legalize marijuana, a party which wanted to introduce communism and a
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  party that wanted to keep killing babies.
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  That's fundamentally the choices that many Western politicians put forward.
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  In Australia, it was somewhat similar.
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  It's a big housing affordability crisis in Australia.
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  So in Australian terms, around 36% of people were mainly concerned about that.
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  Cost of living, which is somewhat like inflation, was around 34%.
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  Healthcare quality and affordability.
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  Healthcare is a major issue in Australia.
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  We have a socialized healthcare system, but it costs a lot of money to run as you can
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  appreciate.
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  So roughly one in three Australians were very concerned at the latest, vote of polls
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  in relation to affordability.
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  But what I will mention is that climate change is slipping way down the list.
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  Yes.
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  And so, yeah.
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  So in Australia, I mean, they ran a poll I think in November last year, 20% of Australians
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  were concerned about climate change in six months that dropped 7% down to 13%.
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  So it does prove that as other issues come to the fore, particularly around cost of living
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  housing affordability, healthcare, then people's interest in climate change simply is disintegrating.
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  But yet many governments, and Australia government in particular, keeps pushing it and keeps
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  trying to fund it, even though many Australians are simply not interested in it.
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  But this comes back to the Romans one mind.
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  You know, we know what Romans one says that people have a debased mind and they wanted
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  to worship the creature more than the creator.
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  So this is the mindset that these people have.
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  Do you have an issue in Australia, I mean, to me, it's a mind numbing reality that some
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  people listen to celebrities when it comes to politics, they couldn't even, they couldn't
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  even mention any of the policies or maybe what's in the party platforms.
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  But they'll be able to rehearse a talking point or two of a celebrity endorses and most
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  of them obviously are the leftist or Democrat or socialist.
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  So you know who they're endorsing.
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  And to see people react to that, what's your take on that Dean over there in Australia?
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  Well, David, mercifully celebrity endorsements are not a thing in Australia and we are so
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  glad for it because as an outside observer, it is really cringey to watch Kamala Harris
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  bring Beyoncé and whoever else onto the stage.
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  But it works because the stats from America indicate that among black church goers, 21%
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  were influenced by the celebrity vote, comes down to young born again Christians at 16%.
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  So it obviously does work and politicians won't engage in this type of practice unless
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  they do know that it generates votes and clearly based on those statistics it does, which
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  is it sounds funny to say because I think the influence that pastors had through the
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  Banner Report, I think it was only 8%.
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  So you're looking at at least double or three times the amount of influence that a celebrity
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  has over a pastor.
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  So that tells you a little bit about where we are socially, where people are trusting celebrities
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  more than those who are in the pulpit defining a biblical worldview and teaching the truth
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  in God's word.
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  We'll put the link to this in the podcast notes, Jeff make a note of that so people can
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  look at the Banner Research because there's a chart on the results by religious voting
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  segments and it talks something very interesting, Dean, self-identified Christians.
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  And that's a very interesting term because people identify as transgender and sadly some
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  people that go to church identify as Christian but they do not have a biblical worldview.
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  So that can be a little confusing but I wanted to ask you what makes a self-identified Christian
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  and you wrote a little bit about that, you sent me some notes on that and we've got about
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  six and a half minutes left so share whatever you'd like to about that.
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  Yeah, as you say whenever I hear someone use the term I identify as then I start to get
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  a little bit nervous because the reality might be something very different and I think
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  this is part of the key problem with this segment of self-identified Christians because
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  you and I know what a true Christian is but we can't assume that anyone who walks within
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  the doors of a church anymore and says I am a Christian is in fact a true follower of
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  Jesus Christ and I think that I record you mentioned on one of your shows recently that
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  the church is becoming its own mission field because we assume that the person sitting
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  next to us in the seat is saved but I don't think we can make that assumption anymore
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  because we do have this growing segment of this category of self-identified Christians.
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  So the problem with the self-identification is that they don't necessarily have a biblical
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  worldview and there was one previous banner report I think it was from 2021 and it had
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  indicated that there is a real big segment of this category in America but when it comes
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  down to the belief system only around 9% had a biblical worldview.
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  There were many that there was in the high 50% that didn't believe the Holy Spirit was
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  a real living being again around 56% believed in karma.
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  A lot of them might be saved so this even though they were the term Christian we know that
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  they would be Christian in name only so even though they had a good representation good
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  vote of turn out in terms of the election they were obviously influential in relation
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  to it.
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  So our challenge is not about getting them to vote our challenge is getting them to be
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  saved in Christ.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  They saved their worldview and their hearts will change thanks to the work that God does
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  through his Holy Spirit in them and that changes their actions if you change their heart change
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  their worldview their actions will change they'll support biblical ideas, principles,
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  policies very briefly and we're going back to this quote self identified you have to put
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  Christians and air quotes 64% voted for of atheists voted for Kamala Harris 50% of
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  people that had other faiths not Christian in other words voted for Harris and almost
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  50% of Catholics voted for Kamala Harris very interesting and yet confusing stats but
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  one takeaway I want to get out before we have to wrap up this podcast with Dean Dwyer
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  and then I'll let you just take it wherever you want Dean even though self identified Christians
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  might not necessarily hold a biblical worldview.
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  We believe that in the majority they still voted for policies or a platform which is more
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  consistent with biblical Christianity your thoughts on that.
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  Which is interesting because when you look at the stats and the earlier indication of
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  around only 9% having a biblical worldview how are they being influenced now perhaps they're
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  more conservative in their general approach anyway but perhaps they've overcome I mean we talked
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  before about some of the three D's of reasons why people didn't vote and top of those was
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  disinterest second was dislike of the candidate and third was they didn't think their vote would
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  matter so obviously within the self identified category they overcome a lot of these issues that
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  affect other voters but when it comes to dislike of candidate I mean look who does like a political
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  candidate we know we're not trying to pair up our daughters or sons we're not voting for a
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  pastor to come into the church we're not trying to make a new friend we're just voting for someone
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  who we believe will represent the greater majority of the voter interest in a particular nation so
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  as you said it has to come back to policy and so very few people at the moment are looking at the
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  policy and this is why politicians particularly in America like to trot out the celebrities it's
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  almost like a magic show look over here and look at what this celebrity is saying don't look at
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  our policies because there's there's really no substance to them and I think that was the problem
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  with Kamala Harris's campaign there was really no substance to her policies so she had to trot out
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  the shiny things to distract voters from the fact that she didn't have policy so that she could
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  steer votes in her direction that's that's the sum total of how we observe things from Australia
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  I like the way you put that so she had to try to out shiny things is that what you said
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  that's right yeah you know I can I can I got a picture in my mind I mean yeah they look
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  hey look at this I'll show you but there's it's it's what did you say no substance and that's
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  what even a lot on the left Democrats and socialists were saying why don't they talk about
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  whatever it might be issues that are important instead of you know so they didn't have it they
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  had the talking points but they had no substance so I think a lot of people dean final minute saw
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  through the facade when they were saying pay no attention to the candidate in the suit behind
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  the curtain that some would call Jezebel but anyway your final thoughts in the last minute
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  and we're going to do another podcast with you after this yeah thank you well look at the concept
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  of a magic show the magician is not there to fool you the magician is there to make sure you fool
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  yourself and I think unfortunately that sums up what's happened in the recent election
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  there are a lot of people who filled themselves into believing that the Democrat Party and Kamala Harris
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  reflected the interest of the majority of Americans all the polls were going to Harris
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  all of the political pundits all the media commentators were all going to Harris
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  they simply filled themselves and so when the election result came out there are a lot of people
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  who weren't actually surprised that it went in that direction because they looked at the real data
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  they spoke to the average person on the street they saw the size of the rallies
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  they saw where things were heading and so as I said from an Australian point of view at least in
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  the remnant church we are very glad that Americans backed Donald Trump. Amen brother to be continued
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  we'll talk to you again soon friends thanks for watching god bless you and as always keep speaking
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  the truth about things that matter