Latest / The Skol Hop / Things get a little Salty, Sam Darnold finally looks good, Vikings are 8-2! | TSH Ep. 67
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- 0:00Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of
- 0:03Speaker 1: The Skull. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're just a
- 0:05Speaker 1: couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer talking
- 0:07Speaker 1: about the Vikings.
- 0:08Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, this week, episode sixty seven, we both
- 0:12Speaker 2: had to spin the wheel purple punishments, and I hate
- 0:15Speaker 2: to say it, I think we epically failed.
- 0:18Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely did. I gave it a good college try,
- 0:22Speaker 1: but it was tough. It was fun though it was.
- 0:24Speaker 1: We also tried a really good beer from Adventurous Brewing
- 0:27Speaker 1: right here in Betendorf, Iowa, so we want to check
- 0:29Speaker 1: that out as well. Yeah.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then we just went on to the normal stuff.
- 0:33Speaker 2: We recapped yet another Vikings win, this time over the Texans.
- 0:37Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun to see eight to two,
- 0:40Speaker 1: and then of course we had to look ahead to
- 0:42Speaker 1: the Vikings traveling to Soldier Field in week twelve to
- 0:45Speaker 1: take it on the Bears and everything involved with that.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Yeap, hopefully another win, but until then, grab a cold one,
- 0:51Speaker 2: Join us Skull.
- 1:23Speaker 3: All right.
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- 1:58Speaker 2: love them too. So thanks Big Top Ventures. Yes, indeed,
- 2:01Speaker 2: thank you, and we gotta do it. We got to
- 2:04Speaker 2: start this episode out by spinning the wheel. Yeah, yeah,
- 2:08Speaker 2: I had to do it, what two weeks a row,
- 2:10Speaker 2: two weeks in a row on my own, and then
- 2:12Speaker 2: last week you had to do it.
- 2:13Speaker 1: On your own.
- 2:14Speaker 4: Yep.
- 2:15Speaker 2: It's nice to be able to see everybody again. I
- 2:17Speaker 2: noticed what you did with the episode title too, something
- 2:20Speaker 2: about it may be difficult to see. It's a pretty
- 2:23Speaker 2: nice wordplay there. You know, we can be clever every
- 2:25Speaker 2: once in a while. Yeah, but now we both have
- 2:28Speaker 2: to be punished because.
- 2:29Speaker 1: Why because the Vikings won and we picked against them. Yeah,
- 2:33Speaker 1: in our preseason picks so yeah, last week, I think
- 2:36Speaker 1: we both predicted a Vikings win, but before the season started, our.
- 2:41Speaker 2: Big picture, we predicted a Vikings loss.
- 2:44Speaker 1: So we're going off of our preseason picks. We both
- 2:46Speaker 1: predicted the Vikings would lose this week. What was it eleven? Yeah,
- 2:51Speaker 1: week eleven against the Titans. Of course the Vikings won,
- 2:55Speaker 1: and we'll get into that here in a little bit,
- 2:57Speaker 1: but let's just get it out of the way. Let's
- 2:59Speaker 1: spin it before we do. Which one are you most
- 3:04Speaker 1: nervous for.
- 3:04Speaker 2: I do not want to get pied in the face. Okay,
- 3:09Speaker 2: we'll have to stop the episode. I'll have to go
- 3:12Speaker 2: like take like a sink shower to clean it out
- 3:14Speaker 2: of my beard or something like that.
- 3:15Speaker 1: So I really don't want to get pied in the face.
- 3:18Speaker 2: There's probably one or two others on that list that
- 3:20Speaker 2: would be awful, but pie in the face, I think,
- 3:22Speaker 2: for me, is the one that I would actually be
- 3:24Speaker 2: most disappointed about.
- 3:25Speaker 1: I do not want to wax a limb. We have
- 3:30Speaker 1: these wax strips here. They are scented orchard and cherry
- 3:34Speaker 1: blossom extracts, so we'll smell great. Yeah, oh yeah, but
- 3:38Speaker 1: that's gonna hurt bad.
- 3:39Speaker 2: I think we need to We need to decide together
- 3:42Speaker 2: what we're gonna wax, because we have both said something
- 3:45Speaker 2: different and maybe this is a talking point for a
- 3:48Speaker 2: few minutes from now potentially or maybe not.
- 3:50Speaker 1: But let's decide if we land on. Yeah, okay, let's
- 3:53Speaker 1: spin it all right, let's let's spin it already. Let's
- 3:57Speaker 1: make sure the volume's up here, all right, here we go.
- 4:06Speaker 1: Cracker challenge. Yeah, the Salteam Cracker challenge. Do you know the.
- 4:10Speaker 2: Ins and outs of this challenge? I think we should
- 4:13Speaker 2: google it. Yeah, we need to. We need to google it.
- 4:15Speaker 1: You can make sure I'll get these out. This will
- 4:18Speaker 1: work out pretty well because then we can have some
- 4:20Speaker 1: beer afterwards wash it all down.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Yeah, this may require a change of venue. Do you
- 4:26Speaker 2: think or do you think we're going to be good?
- 4:28Speaker 2: All right, so I've got the rules up here, and
- 4:30Speaker 2: this is just paper towels will be the two second
- 4:32Speaker 2: Google search. So step one person must completely finish chewing
- 4:37Speaker 2: and swallowing six saltine crackers in one minute. No drinks
- 4:41Speaker 2: are allowed until the fifty seconds are up. So I
- 4:45Speaker 2: think maybe these these rules aren't quite right, but I'm
- 4:49Speaker 2: going to say no drinks are allowed until the minute
- 4:51Speaker 2: is up. The crackers must be saltines, which these are
- 4:56Speaker 2: so as to record yourself and share online, which is what.
- 4:59Speaker 3: We we do every week.
- 5:00Speaker 2: There we go, and then it says consider donating to
- 5:05Speaker 2: it just got letters. I assume it initially benefited a
- 5:09Speaker 2: specific charity. But this doesn't make sense to me, so
- 5:13Speaker 2: I'm not going to read off with that letter what
- 5:15Speaker 2: that says. But yeah, consider donating to something in reference
- 5:20Speaker 2: to the saltine challenge. So it sounds like six crackers
- 5:23Speaker 2: one minute, no drink, easy, easy, pasy three six, oh man?
- 5:30Speaker 1: Three six?
- 5:33Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so are we we're not changing menus.
- 5:35Speaker 4: We're good. We're good here.
- 5:37Speaker 1: Let's uh here, we'll pull up a timer. Okay, I
- 5:41Speaker 1: think we're still screen recording here, so we'll pull up
- 5:44Speaker 1: a one minute timer. And it started already. Let's restart that.
- 5:53Speaker 1: All right, Here we go, three, two, one, let's go.
- 6:02Speaker 2: We probably should have done this one at a time.
- 6:05Speaker 2: Not too bad, because this will be a really quiet
- 6:11Speaker 2: time for listeners.
- 6:13Speaker 4: I won't try. I'm a common fair.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Here we go.
- 6:19Speaker 4: I'm come on, man, I'm not gonna pass. We'll have
- 6:29Speaker 4: to be followed.
- 6:31Speaker 3: What mm hmmm, we've talked about what.
- 6:46Speaker 4: H hm, I'm gonna fail. H h.
- 6:58Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but you didn't swallow do you have to
- 7:02Speaker 2: swallow it?
- 7:03Speaker 3: Oh?
- 7:08Speaker 2: Okay, man, okay, So thank you for listening to that.
- 7:17Speaker 2: That was probably terrible. I probably still will because Evan
- 7:19Speaker 2: still can't talk right now. I think I'm gonna say it.
- 7:24Speaker 1: I think we both failed.
- 7:25Speaker 2: You got them all in your mouth before the tiber ended,
- 7:28Speaker 2: but you're still chewing. I still have two left. I'm
- 7:30Speaker 2: gonna eat these, but man, no, dude, that's disgusting. All right,
- 7:36Speaker 2: Evan's gonna spit it out. I'm gonna not look.
- 7:42Speaker 4: M I need some beer, man.
- 7:44Speaker 2: Yeah, those were good crackers. I still have one more.
- 7:49Speaker 1: Dollar story. I also made a huge a mess. Yeah,
- 7:58Speaker 1: you made a little bit of a mess over there,
- 8:01Speaker 1: Saltine challenge harder than you think. We need to think.
- 8:08Speaker 2: Long and hard on what we add to the wheel
- 8:12Speaker 2: next year, because I don't know if that'll make the
- 8:17Speaker 2: wheel next year.
- 8:19Speaker 1: Well, I had a suggestion to you earlier tonight. I
- 8:22Speaker 1: texted you. You vetoed it pretty quickly.
- 8:24Speaker 2: I vetoed it, and then I double checked The reason
- 8:27Speaker 2: why I vetoed it, basically because my wife doesn't want
- 8:29Speaker 2: me to shave my beard and she said, yes, that
- 8:32Speaker 2: was a good veto.
- 8:33Speaker 1: Okay, so well she knows she only gets one of those, right,
- 8:37Speaker 1: so she's out of vetos now, all right, I'll tell her.
- 8:40Speaker 1: I mean, I don't make the rules.
- 8:41Speaker 4: All right.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Well, I can finally talk again, and I'm ready to
- 8:44Speaker 1: pour up some beer. Yeah, so let's do that. We've
- 8:48Speaker 1: got a very local beer here today. It's from Adventuress
- 8:53Speaker 1: Brewing here right here in bendor If Iowa. I love Adventuress,
- 8:55Speaker 1: by the way, one of my favorites around here. And
- 8:58Speaker 1: I've seen this beer on the shelf at our local
- 9:01Speaker 1: Devil's Glenn Hivey for quite a while now. And you
- 9:03Speaker 1: even commented when you saw it in the fridge tonight,
- 9:05Speaker 1: You're like, man, those are pricey beers, and You're right
- 9:08Speaker 1: they are. I've had my eye on this for a
- 9:10Speaker 1: while and I was like, you know what, let's do that.
- 9:15Speaker 1: It's called pod Unsubscribed. It's a double India pl and
- 9:19Speaker 1: I was like, it's a podcast themed beer and we
- 9:24Speaker 1: should just do it. So here we are, We're gonna
- 9:26Speaker 1: try it. This thing's gonna pack a punch though.
- 9:28Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, eight percent definitely not holding back at all.
- 9:33Speaker 1: No.
- 9:33Speaker 2: Usually, I like it when these beers have like a
- 9:36Speaker 2: like a description or like a paragraph story. There's nothing
- 9:39Speaker 2: like that on here, So I wonder why it's called
- 9:42Speaker 2: pod Unsubscribed. I don't know if they just the can
- 9:45Speaker 2: art's pretty cool. I don't know if they thought of
- 9:46Speaker 2: the can art and they were like, eh, let's come
- 9:49Speaker 2: up with a name of a beer for it.
- 9:51Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I hope you subscribe to
- 9:56Speaker 1: our podcast, and I hope you don't unsubscribe, but we're
- 9:59Speaker 1: gonna try this pod unsubscribed and we'll let you know
- 10:01Speaker 1: how it is. It's a double I pa. I think
- 10:05Speaker 1: I said that already. Eight percent. This is right up
- 10:09Speaker 1: your alley. Oh yeah, this is your This is your
- 10:11Speaker 1: kind of beer.
- 10:11Speaker 2: I may have even had this before at Adventures. I
- 10:15Speaker 2: don't know for sure. It would be interesting, adventurous. If
- 10:18Speaker 2: you're listening, why why did you come up with a
- 10:21Speaker 2: name for this one?
- 10:22Speaker 1: I'd like to hear about that. Wow, there's a lot
- 10:25Speaker 1: of sediment in that. Do you see that? It's almost
- 10:28Speaker 1: as if like I took a sip right after the
- 10:31Speaker 1: Saltene challenge and all my backwash went in there, and
- 10:35Speaker 1: that very very well. May happen still because I have
- 10:38Speaker 1: saltines just like caked all around my lip.
- 10:41Speaker 2: I will say, of the two of us, you definitely
- 10:45Speaker 2: did a better job of the saltine child.
- 10:47Speaker 1: I think you realized that it wasn't gonna happen pretty
- 10:50Speaker 1: early on, and I was just too naive and I'm like, well,
- 10:52Speaker 1: screw it, We're just gonna go for it.
- 10:54Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have enough enough saliva to make that happen.
- 10:58Speaker 2: And I think that's the whole point is, Yes, it's
- 11:00Speaker 2: not supposed to work. This pod unsubscribed, this is there's
- 11:05Speaker 2: a a I don't want to have this come out
- 11:08Speaker 2: sounding negative, but there is a lot of sediment in there,
- 11:12Speaker 2: which just means it's unfiltered. I believe it's got a
- 11:16Speaker 2: really nice light color, but man, you are not seeing
- 11:20Speaker 2: through that beer. That is that is definitely a hazy beer.
- 11:27Speaker 2: I still have a lot of head, but I pour
- 11:29Speaker 2: heavy yours. You get some head retention there, and you
- 11:32Speaker 2: have what would most people consider a normal poor, A
- 11:35Speaker 2: regular poor. I think this beer is gonna gonna be
- 11:38Speaker 2: really good. It might be a heavy beer, though, I'm
- 11:41Speaker 2: excited to try it. A school school. Mmm, that's good.
- 11:50Speaker 2: Really juicy. Oh yeah, that's heavy, that's very I don't
- 11:56Speaker 2: think fix the right word, but it's the only one
- 11:58Speaker 2: that's coming to my mind right now.
- 11:59Speaker 1: It's it's got a lot of body to it. Yeah.
- 12:02Speaker 2: I don't know what any of these words mean. I
- 12:04Speaker 2: just know you it's not a light beer. We're developing
- 12:08Speaker 2: our beer vocabulary as we go. This is super good,
- 12:11Speaker 2: though I will say, you will have to like IPAs.
- 12:15Speaker 2: You have to like IPAs even if you like can
- 12:18Speaker 2: tolerate them. Maybe this isn't the one for you. I
- 12:20Speaker 2: don't know how much you like. I think you're broadening
- 12:23Speaker 2: your IPA horizons.
- 12:25Speaker 1: I've never not liked IPAs. I just don't reach for
- 12:29Speaker 1: them when I go to the store. I reach for
- 12:31Speaker 1: other things.
- 12:32Speaker 2: This is super good, and I will say, like the
- 12:34Speaker 2: sediment that has been floating has only been floating in
- 12:38Speaker 2: one spot. It's it's not dropping down at it like
- 12:41Speaker 2: the suspended. It's definitely a thick beer in a really
- 12:45Speaker 2: good way. I like this one a lot. We haven't
- 12:48Speaker 2: been giving like a you know, seven point two out
- 12:51Speaker 2: of ten, nothing like that.
- 12:52Speaker 1: But I don't know.
- 12:53Speaker 2: If I was doing the untapped score, this would definitely
- 12:56Speaker 2: be at least at least a four point twenty five
- 12:59Speaker 2: for me.
- 13:00Speaker 1: Five. Wow, that's up there. Oh yeah, yeah, And I
- 13:04Speaker 1: don't know how widely adventurous distributes. I know we can
- 13:08Speaker 1: get them here locally in grocery stores, but yeah, if
- 13:10Speaker 1: you can pick them up wherever you are, we would
- 13:13Speaker 1: highly recommend it, really absolutely. And we've got not a
- 13:18Speaker 1: really good game, but a decent game to talk about
- 13:21Speaker 1: Vikings over the Titans.
- 13:23Speaker 2: It kind of felt boring for a little bit, did Yeah.
- 13:26Speaker 1: I had my wife's sister and her family were here
- 13:29Speaker 1: watching with us, and yeah, I mentioned to my brother
- 13:32Speaker 1: in law several times, it's just kind of a blah game,
- 13:37Speaker 1: Like it's just the Vikings were moving the ball. They
- 13:39Speaker 1: were more effective at moving the ball, and they actually
- 13:43Speaker 1: scored points after moving the ball exactly, scored a few touchdowns,
- 13:47Speaker 1: which was nice.
- 13:47Speaker 2: And outside of one awful miscommunication really early in the game,
- 13:53Speaker 2: no turnovers, yeah, no interceptions for sure, and just the
- 13:57Speaker 2: one mishandled pitch that was technically a fumble by Sam
- 14:00Speaker 2: Donald credited to Sam Donald. But yeah, I mean, it's
- 14:05Speaker 2: hard to complain, and I hope we're not coming off
- 14:08Speaker 2: as complaining, but it's hard to complain about a boring win. Yeah,
- 14:12Speaker 2: with those ones, it's easy to come up with, Wow,
- 14:15Speaker 2: well they're terrible because of this, or they're not going
- 14:17Speaker 2: to win a playoff game because of that. And you
- 14:20Speaker 2: know what, sometimes you just you just win a game
- 14:23Speaker 2: and you go to work the next day. It's just
- 14:26Speaker 2: this wasn't a crazy highlight game. But there were some
- 14:29Speaker 2: good things, some reasons to be happy, and there you go.
- 14:32Speaker 1: Yeah, should we get into some roses and thorns, Yeah,
- 14:35Speaker 1: let's do it.
- 14:36Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have any roses off the bat?
- 14:38Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to steal the one that you
- 14:39Speaker 1: have on here already because I was thinking it U
- 14:43Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Yeah, he looked great, played arguably the best
- 14:47Speaker 1: game of his career, aside from that miss Q with
- 14:52Speaker 1: the pitch on whatever was the third play of the
- 14:54Speaker 1: game or whatever. But he was twenty of thirty two
- 14:57Speaker 1: for two hundred and forty six yards to passing touchdowns
- 15:01Speaker 1: and then he also had a rushing touchdown, carried the
- 15:04Speaker 1: ball eight times for eighteen yards, didn't throw a pick
- 15:08Speaker 1: coming off a game where he threw three, So that
- 15:12Speaker 1: was good to see. And he seemed and we were
- 15:14Speaker 1: texting throughout the game like we normally do.
- 15:16Speaker 3: It.
- 15:16Speaker 1: Just seemed comfortable in the pocket, seemed comfortable not just
- 15:20Speaker 1: sitting there waiting for something to come open, but also
- 15:23Speaker 1: comfortable stepping up in the pocket into that pressure. We
- 15:26Speaker 1: saw him duck out and make some moves with his legs.
- 15:29Speaker 1: There was one play, I think it was in the
- 15:30Speaker 1: third or fourth quarter where he almost got tripped up
- 15:33Speaker 1: like somebody was coming after him and had him by
- 15:35Speaker 1: the leg and he got out of it, and was
- 15:38Speaker 1: just like, Wow, We're not used to seeing that out
- 15:40Speaker 1: of Sam Darnold. We're used to seeing him either, you know,
- 15:42Speaker 1: do the Kirk Cousins thing and just take an awful
- 15:44Speaker 1: sack or throw a really awful interception kind of like
- 15:49Speaker 1: a lah Nick Mullins or Josh Dauts exactly. And this
- 15:53Speaker 1: was not that from him. It was nice to see.
- 15:56Speaker 1: It was refreshing. Oh yeah, there was.
- 15:58Speaker 2: I think there were two similar plays where but one
- 16:02Speaker 2: specifically where he was like getting sacked. He was like
- 16:06Speaker 2: the pocket had totally closed around him, and like spun
- 16:09Speaker 2: out of it and ran on the one I'm talking about,
- 16:11Speaker 2: ran to his right side and just quick dumped it
- 16:15Speaker 2: off and I don't remember who caught it. I'm not
- 16:18Speaker 2: gonna be able to remember, but it ended up being
- 16:20Speaker 2: like a first down after like fifteen or so yards,
- 16:23Speaker 2: and you text me, it's like, man, that that same
- 16:26Speaker 2: play was either a sack fumble last week or an
- 16:29Speaker 2: interception last week. Like it did seem like Sam Donald won. Yes,
- 16:33Speaker 2: I think he had his highest PFF grade either of
- 16:36Speaker 2: the season or of his career or both, just in
- 16:41Speaker 2: this past game against the Titans. But also it definitely
- 16:44Speaker 2: seemed like so in the Jaguars game, Sam Donald, he
- 16:47Speaker 2: looked flustered, he looked lost, He looked like the epitome
- 16:52Speaker 2: of that famous clip of him as a jet on
- 16:54Speaker 2: the sideline saying I'm seeing ghosts out here. Against the Jaguars,
- 16:58Speaker 2: Donald did not look good. And it was one of
- 17:00Speaker 2: those games where I think I even said it on
- 17:02Speaker 2: the podcast. Donald was super lucky that JJ McCarthy is
- 17:05Speaker 2: not healthy and not a good option to bench Donald for.
- 17:09Speaker 2: And we saw Kevin O'Connell after the Jaguars game last
- 17:13Speaker 2: week kind of say things like, hey, we don't doubt
- 17:15Speaker 2: this guy for a second or behind him totally. He
- 17:19Speaker 2: double triple quadrupled down on Sam Donald, and it was
- 17:22Speaker 2: kind of weird. But this week, I think you even
- 17:26Speaker 2: texted it to me. It seemed like Sam Donald was
- 17:30Speaker 2: very intentional throughout the week about what other decisions could
- 17:34Speaker 2: I make in this scenario rather than throw a desperation
- 17:39Speaker 2: pass to Justin Jefferson and ultimately get an interception. Could
- 17:44Speaker 2: I just take the sack or could I run it
- 17:46Speaker 2: for two yards? Or could I maybe dump it down
- 17:49Speaker 2: to option two or three? Sam Donald against the Titans
- 17:53Speaker 2: this week looked like he had put a lot of
- 17:55Speaker 2: time and effort and mental headspace into getting rid of
- 17:59Speaker 2: those airs, and at least for this week, it worked.
- 18:02Speaker 1: Yeah. So a friend of the show, Dustin Baker, who
- 18:04Speaker 1: we need to have back on. Yeah, we do, I
- 18:06Speaker 1: messaged him.
- 18:07Speaker 2: I think sometime soon keep your eyes peeled for Dustin
- 18:10Speaker 2: Baker on the school.
- 18:10Speaker 1: We'll circle background with him. But anyways, he put out
- 18:13Speaker 1: a really interesting tweet today stacking up a lot of
- 18:18Speaker 1: Vikings quarterbacks through the last I think fifteen years. When
- 18:22Speaker 1: it comes to a very specific stat EPA plus CPOE
- 18:26Speaker 1: and I know what EPA means.
- 18:28Speaker 2: I think it's estimated points added. I don't know what
- 18:31Speaker 2: either of them mean. I just know those are both
- 18:34Speaker 2: good stats.
- 18:35Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know Cpoe. It's kind
- 18:38Speaker 1: of beyond my thing, but I trust Dustin Baker. He
- 18:41Speaker 1: has really good stuff. He's compiled a list of Vikings
- 18:45Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the last fifteen years through eleven weeks, and
- 18:50Speaker 1: currently Sam Darnold ranks fourth among all those quarterbacks in
- 18:55Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. It's impressive. They've got Brett Favre
- 18:59Speaker 1: and own at the top of that list. You have
- 19:01Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in twenty twenty, Kirk Cousins in twenty nineteen,
- 19:05Speaker 1: and then you've got Sam Donald, and then you've got
- 19:07Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins from last season before he got hurt. It's
- 19:11Speaker 1: just marginally below Sam Donald. So he's in really good company.
- 19:16Speaker 1: And this is all eleven games, or all ten games
- 19:19Speaker 1: eleven weeks that the Vikings have played so far, So
- 19:23Speaker 1: we really can't complain about Sam Donald. And we can't
- 19:26Speaker 1: complain about the price tag either.
- 19:28Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's still a steal. Yeah, he could
- 19:31Speaker 2: have thrown two interceptions in the Titans game and it
- 19:33Speaker 2: still would have been a steal ten million dollars for
- 19:36Speaker 2: a top fifteen quarterback. And that's what he's playing like,
- 19:39Speaker 2: is at least a top fifteen quarterback. He'll get way
- 19:42Speaker 2: more next year. But yeah, you're right, there's nothing to
- 19:45Speaker 2: complain about so far. Yeah, and I guess for me.
- 19:49Speaker 2: One more thought on Sam Donald. I don't know if
- 19:51Speaker 2: it was today or yesterday that I texted you it was.
- 19:55Speaker 2: It was another Dustin Baker tweet where he was basically saying, hey,
- 19:58Speaker 2: just a reminder that every single one of us would
- 20:02Speaker 2: be jumping for joy if JJ McCarthy had the exact
- 20:06Speaker 2: same stat sheet, everything was the same. It's just J McCarthy.
- 20:10Speaker 2: If he was playing exactly the same as Sam Donald
- 20:12Speaker 2: is right now, we'd be saying, yes, the future is solved.
- 20:15Speaker 2: He's gonna get even better. It's gonna be amazing. And
- 20:19Speaker 2: right now it kind of feels like Sam Donald's like, eh, okay,
- 20:22Speaker 2: I guess, I guess we'll wait saying for JJ McCarthy,
- 20:25Speaker 2: like we should be very happy right now.
- 20:27Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it after you sent that
- 20:29Speaker 1: to me too, that yes, we would probably be that
- 20:32Speaker 1: way with JJ McCarthy. And we would also be that
- 20:36Speaker 1: way if JJ McCarthy was putting up those numbers and
- 20:39Speaker 1: the Vikings had three wins, four wins, we'd be through
- 20:42Speaker 1: eleven games. We'd be through the moon. We'd be like,
- 20:44Speaker 1: all right, this isn't our year, but we're just gonna
- 20:47Speaker 1: get a good draft pick and twenty twenty five baby,
- 20:50Speaker 1: m hmm, let's do this.
- 20:52Speaker 2: Yeah, So to go off on a little bit of
- 20:54Speaker 2: a tangent, and I hope we can just make this
- 20:56Speaker 2: like a minute. This idea kind of came to me today.
- 20:59Speaker 2: This thought came to me today, and I think I've
- 21:01Speaker 2: been seeing it pump up a little bit more on
- 21:03Speaker 2: social media at this point, which team do you think
- 21:06Speaker 2: is better? The twenty twenty four Minnesota Vikings or the
- 21:11Speaker 2: twenty twenty two Minnesota Vikings.
- 21:13Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a tough one. I think I still have
- 21:18Speaker 1: to go with the twenty four Vikings. Okay, okay? And
- 21:21Speaker 1: why I think the defense is better? I think the
- 21:25Speaker 1: Brian Flores led a defense. It's now the second year
- 21:28Speaker 1: under Flores, right, and you've got those the monster of
- 21:36Speaker 1: the three linebackers just terrorizing defenses. And not to spoil
- 21:41Speaker 1: what we're about to talk about, but man, those three
- 21:43Speaker 1: played amazing. The linebacking crew in general played great, the
- 21:49Speaker 1: secondary not so much, but the linebackers played awesome. And yeah,
- 21:55Speaker 1: I think offensively, you don't have to worry about Kirk
- 21:59Speaker 1: Cousins and the drama with will they resign him, will
- 22:02Speaker 1: he stick around for another year? Will we extend him
- 22:05Speaker 1: and make him the highest paid quarterback in the league.
- 22:09Speaker 1: I don't know. I like the twenty four Vikings better
- 22:11Speaker 1: than the twenty two Vikings.
- 22:13Speaker 2: And before you answered it, I already knew my answer.
- 22:15Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think twenty four so far
- 22:18Speaker 2: feels better than twenty twenty two. You could argue that
- 22:21Speaker 2: the twenty two Vikings offense was in a better spot,
- 22:27Speaker 2: a little bit better spot, but outside of that, the
- 22:31Speaker 2: defense is much better. Remember it was a joke in
- 22:33Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, or maybe this was twenty twenty one.
- 22:36Speaker 2: Maybe I'm mixing up that. At the end of the
- 22:39Speaker 2: first and second half, so like two minutes of the
- 22:42Speaker 2: halfs the Vikings were gonna let the other team score.
- 22:45Speaker 2: I think that might be twenty twenty one. But anyways,
- 22:46Speaker 2: the defense for twenty four is way better than the
- 22:49Speaker 2: defense for twenty two. And special teams, I mean, we
- 22:52Speaker 2: don't have Ryan Wright played an amazing rookie year in
- 22:56Speaker 2: twenty two, but he seems to be back to that
- 22:58Speaker 2: form and when he's held will records. Seems like he's
- 23:01Speaker 2: playing like the best kicker in the league.
- 23:03Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with you.
- 23:04Speaker 2: I think twenty four so far is better than twenty two.
- 23:07Speaker 1: And one more thing, just on the twenty two Vikings.
- 23:10Speaker 1: They were kind of the comeback kids that year. I mean,
- 23:13Speaker 1: I forget how many like either come from behind wins
- 23:16Speaker 1: or how many like one score wins they had. I'm
- 23:19Speaker 1: just looking over at the biggest comeback in NFL history
- 23:22Speaker 1: that we've got on the wall there, like that was
- 23:24Speaker 1: one of those games where it was one score, it
- 23:26Speaker 1: went into overtime, and I don't know, the Vikings haven't
- 23:31Speaker 1: had many games like that. Yeah, this year they've won
- 23:34Speaker 1: by a few and they've they've had a few close calls.
- 23:38Speaker 1: The Packers game was close there at that.
- 23:40Speaker 2: Cold game the second half, that cold fight back a
- 23:42Speaker 2: little bit.
- 23:43Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's not like the Vikings are
- 23:45Speaker 1: blowing out their opponents like we wish they would. Yeah,
- 23:49Speaker 1: but they're offensively I think a little more astute. I
- 23:53Speaker 1: think Kevin O'Connell is a better play caller now than
- 23:56Speaker 1: he was two years ago, and.
- 23:58Speaker 2: He's just going to keep getting better too. All right,
- 24:01Speaker 2: Continuing with Roses, I guess for me. You mentioned it earlier.
- 24:06Speaker 2: The Vikings defense, specifically Cashman Van Ginkle and Jonathan Gridnard.
- 24:11Speaker 2: Those guys are monsters. Those guys are three of the
- 24:15Speaker 2: best players on the team and their first year Vikings
- 24:18Speaker 2: brought in by chaos or not well kind of chaos,
- 24:21Speaker 2: but brought in by quasi. The defense is definitely the reason,
- 24:27Speaker 2: more so than the offense, that the Vikings are eight
- 24:29Speaker 2: and two at this moment. They kind of disappeared for
- 24:32Speaker 2: a few games there, but they seem to be back
- 24:35Speaker 2: in you know, elite form, granted against some lower level
- 24:39Speaker 2: of competition, but I'm very excited about this defense. I
- 24:42Speaker 2: think there's a lot of reasons to be excited about
- 24:44Speaker 2: this defense. Here's a stat for you, Van Ginkle, he
- 24:49Speaker 2: had two sacks and three tackles for loss. Pretty sweet, huh.
- 24:54Speaker 2: Pat Jones also had two sacks and three tackles for loss.
- 24:58Speaker 2: Pat Jones just suddenly appear against the Titans.
- 25:01Speaker 1: He was a few weeks defensive game ball winner, like
- 25:04Speaker 1: weeks one, two, and three maybe, and then he just
- 25:07Speaker 1: like disappeared, almost Dallas Turner esque.
- 25:09Speaker 2: You know, I wonder, and this is pure speculation that
- 25:12Speaker 2: does no good for anybody. But I wonder if he
- 25:14Speaker 2: was kind of told like, yeah, you're on the trade block,
- 25:17Speaker 2: like if we can find a good a good value,
- 25:20Speaker 2: if we can get a good deal, you might be gone.
- 25:23Speaker 2: So I wonder if that kind of got in his
- 25:24Speaker 2: head a little bit and maybe affected him a little bit,
- 25:27Speaker 2: and then ultimately he didn't get traded. But you never
- 25:31Speaker 2: know what said or you know, planned for behind closed doors.
- 25:34Speaker 2: For all we know, he was never on the trade
- 25:36Speaker 2: block and they're just content to let him be a
- 25:38Speaker 2: Viking this year and then get a big payday next year.
- 25:41Speaker 3: But I don't know.
- 25:41Speaker 2: There seemed to be something that maybe he had an
- 25:45Speaker 2: injury that wasn't really talked about, maybe just a sore
- 25:49Speaker 2: ankle or something. I don't know, but he seems to
- 25:51Speaker 2: be back now.
- 25:51Speaker 1: And honestly, it could just be coaching too, because I
- 25:53Speaker 1: think Brian Flores was quoted on Dallas Turner's relative quietness
- 25:59Speaker 1: right now on the Vikings defense. He was strong there
- 26:02Speaker 1: for a few games, and then quiet for a long time,
- 26:04Speaker 1: and then I think he splashed again against Jacksonville.
- 26:07Speaker 2: Or then quiet again, Yeah you're right, and then quiet
- 26:09Speaker 2: again against the Titans, and.
- 26:11Speaker 1: Then didn't I don't think he was really on the
- 26:12Speaker 1: field much. And he was quoted after the game saying,
- 26:15Speaker 1: I'm going with the hot hand. I'm gonna ride the
- 26:17Speaker 1: hot hand whoever's hot at the moment. Yeah, they're gonna
- 26:19Speaker 1: get in. And maybe that's Pat Jones. Maybe Brian Flores
- 26:23Speaker 1: is seeing some stuff in practice throughout the week that
- 26:25Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he's gonna get some snaps and we're
- 26:28Speaker 1: gonna see what he can do. And he must have
- 26:30Speaker 1: made the most of it because he got two sacks
- 26:32Speaker 1: and three TFLs, which is awesome. Yeah, exactly.
- 26:35Speaker 2: So the defense for me is the most exciting part
- 26:38Speaker 2: of the team for me, and defense wins championships. So
- 26:42Speaker 2: let's hope they keep it going.
- 26:43Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a final rose before we get to
- 26:46Speaker 1: the Thorns here is the Vikings just notched another win
- 26:49Speaker 1: and they keep doing it. I think as of right now,
- 26:53Speaker 1: they're kind of a lock to make the playoffs. I
- 26:57Speaker 1: don't know that they are the number one seed all though.
- 27:00Speaker 1: We might make another video like we did last year.
- 27:03Speaker 1: I might make another video like I did last year,
- 27:06Speaker 1: just manipulating the playoff machine. See and if we can
- 27:08Speaker 1: get the Vikings into that number one seed, just for
- 27:10Speaker 1: fun and see how many haters we can get in
- 27:13Speaker 1: the comments and how many people are like, oh, you're
- 27:15Speaker 1: so delusional. Well read the description. Man, It's just all
- 27:20Speaker 1: in jest. But anyways, the Vikings should still make the playoffs.
- 27:25Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to go one in six
- 27:27Speaker 1: or two and five. I think they have three or
- 27:29Speaker 1: four more wins in them at least to get them
- 27:32Speaker 1: to eleven or twelve wins, and that would get pretty
- 27:35Speaker 1: close to your preseason prediction of right, I think I
- 27:38Speaker 1: said eleven. Either way, if I said twelve, I would
- 27:43Speaker 1: still stand by it. Right You said eleven?
- 27:44Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think I'm still figuring that. I'm still
- 27:49Speaker 2: standing behind that while you have it up the rest
- 27:51Speaker 2: of the season. What did I say for wins and losses?
- 27:54Speaker 1: So you say, win against the Bears? Okay, lose to
- 27:58Speaker 1: the Cardinals, win against the Falcons, win against the Bears
- 28:01Speaker 1: at home on Monday night, win at Seattle, lose to
- 28:06Speaker 1: Green Bay at home, and then win at Detroit in kighteen.
- 28:10Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I I don't think it's outright delusional
- 28:15Speaker 2: to think that all of those could happen the way
- 28:18Speaker 2: you just read it off, Is it one hundred percent lock. No,
- 28:22Speaker 2: not by any means. Is the Detroit game at the
- 28:25Speaker 2: last game of the season gonna be freaking difficult. Yes,
- 28:29Speaker 2: that might be the hardest game the Vikings have left.
- 28:31Speaker 2: But it's not delusional to think that they could beat
- 28:35Speaker 2: or they could do everything that I said they would
- 28:38Speaker 2: do in that list.
- 28:38Speaker 1: There something that I spent a little time looking at,
- 28:40Speaker 1: and I didn't dive super deep into this, but the
- 28:43Speaker 1: Lions still have some tough games ahead of them too.
- 28:45Speaker 1: The Lions have to play the Niners, and I think
- 28:47Speaker 1: the Niners, although they're at the bottom of the NFC
- 28:50Speaker 1: West right now, that NFC West is wide open. Oh yeah,
- 28:54Speaker 1: I think they have three teams that are like five
- 28:56Speaker 1: and five or something like that, And yeah, it's anybody's
- 29:01Speaker 1: race at this point. I think anybody in that division
- 29:03Speaker 1: could win it. So they've got to play the Niners,
- 29:06Speaker 1: and I think the Niners are hungry for a win.
- 29:08Speaker 1: They also have to play the Bills, and the Bills
- 29:10Speaker 1: just beat the Chiefs, who are the last remaining undefeated
- 29:14Speaker 1: team in the league, and the Chiefs don't look like
- 29:17Speaker 1: the Chiefs right now. Yeah, yeah, that's obvious, and the
- 29:21Speaker 1: Bills kind of handle them, But I don't know. I
- 29:26Speaker 1: think the Lions sustain a few more losses before the
- 29:29Speaker 1: end of the season. I don't think they finished the
- 29:30Speaker 1: season with one loss.
- 29:32Speaker 2: Well, just to look at it quick and we'll just
- 29:35Speaker 2: I'll let you react as I read them the Lions
- 29:38Speaker 2: rest of the season. This coming week, they play the Colts.
- 29:41Speaker 2: They'll win that one, okay, And then they play the Bears.
- 29:46Speaker 1: They should win that one. It's at home, yep. And
- 29:48Speaker 1: then they play the Packers. That'll be an interesting one.
- 29:51Speaker 1: The Packers are kind of scrappy, but I still think
- 29:53Speaker 1: Detroit's a way stronger team in all phases. And they
- 29:57Speaker 1: play the Bills. That's going to be one to and
- 30:00Speaker 1: I think that that's a really close game. And I'm
- 30:03Speaker 1: gonna say the Bills win that one. To go back
- 30:06Speaker 1: a little bit and good point.
- 30:08Speaker 2: But that Packers Lions game, that's on Thursday Night Football
- 30:11Speaker 2: December fifth, So that Thursday definitely adds a factor that
- 30:15Speaker 2: does doesn't seem like any other time slot adds to it.
- 30:18Speaker 2: So definitely something to look at. So Packers Bills that
- 30:22Speaker 2: you say the Bills I beat the Lions.
- 30:24Speaker 1: I think the Bills beat the Lions.
- 30:25Speaker 2: There Okay, So then the Lions take on the Bears
- 30:28Speaker 2: again after the Bills.
- 30:32Speaker 1: Is that one at Google? Says Soldier Field. Yeah, I
- 30:37Speaker 1: don't know that's an interesting one too. I don't know.
- 30:40Speaker 1: The Bears aren't playing great right now, but there is
- 30:43Speaker 1: some home field advantage and the Lions are a dome
- 30:46Speaker 1: team playing outdoors in late December late December, So I
- 30:50Speaker 1: don't know that's an interesting one too. I still think
- 30:52Speaker 1: the Lions eke it out okay. After the Bears game.
- 30:56Speaker 2: The Lions go to the forty the next Monday night
- 31:01Speaker 2: football game, and that I think is also a loss.
- 31:03Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't think a lot of people will say
- 31:05Speaker 1: that the Lions will lose to San Francisco right now,
- 31:08Speaker 1: but I'm saying yes for a few reasons. One, San
- 31:10Speaker 1: Francisco is just going to be hungry for a win.
- 31:13Speaker 1: It's a home game for them. Did I see it's
- 31:15Speaker 1: a primetime game too, or is it just a late
- 31:17Speaker 1: Monday night football? Yep, Monday night football. So it's primetime
- 31:21Speaker 1: and Midwest slash East Coast teams don't typically do well
- 31:26Speaker 1: going west definitely factors. Yeah.
- 31:28Speaker 2: So, and then, of course, after that Niners game, the
- 31:31Speaker 2: Lions host the Vikings to end the regular season.
- 31:34Speaker 1: And that's gonna be one to circle.
- 31:36Speaker 2: So you said, I'll say that, you said definitely potentially
- 31:42Speaker 2: two lost, two more losses yea for the Lions. And
- 31:45Speaker 2: if the Vikings only have one more loss and their season,
- 31:49Speaker 2: like I preseason predicted, that means the Vikings are heading
- 31:54Speaker 2: into that Lions game we eighteen tied for you know,
- 31:59Speaker 2: the division lead with the Lions, and whoever wins that
- 32:03Speaker 2: not only wins the NFC North but potentially.
- 32:05Speaker 1: Earns the number one, number one seed.
- 32:08Speaker 2: Ye again, so many things can happen in what seven games.
- 32:15Speaker 1: We could be.
- 32:15Speaker 2: Laughing about the Vikings having a chance to beat the
- 32:18Speaker 2: Lions here in six weeks. I mean the thing one
- 32:22Speaker 2: injury Sam Donald going down totally changes the restless or.
- 32:26Speaker 1: Injuries could pile up and there could be several injuries
- 32:29Speaker 1: to some you know linemen or some other players that
- 32:33Speaker 1: you're not expecting, and yeah, it could definitely, it could
- 32:37Speaker 1: definitely be a much different story in late December in
- 32:40Speaker 1: early January.
- 32:42Speaker 2: So yep, all that to say, I think you hit
- 32:44Speaker 2: the nail on the head with your final rose there
- 32:47Speaker 2: that it is nice the Vikings keep winning. Yeah, you
- 32:50Speaker 2: can have a boring win against the Titans where maybe
- 32:53Speaker 2: you can poke a few holes in the Vikings strength
- 32:56Speaker 2: here That ninety eight yard touchdown pass by Will Levis
- 32:59Speaker 2: is not fun to see. But they're professional athletes too.
- 33:02Speaker 2: They win a play here and there. I think I
- 33:06Speaker 2: agree with you. I think the Vikings are definitely going
- 33:08Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, whether they're the one seed or
- 33:12Speaker 2: the five seed, which that looks like the only options
- 33:15Speaker 2: right now. And I think they're gonna kind of bowl
- 33:18Speaker 2: through the rest of their schedule one or two games
- 33:21Speaker 2: here and there that might be more difficult. Make no mistake,
- 33:25Speaker 2: we are not saying the Vikings are better than the Lions.
- 33:29Speaker 2: The Lions are the team to beat I think in
- 33:31Speaker 2: the NFL. I think anyone with eyes right now should
- 33:35Speaker 2: be able to say that confidently that the Lions are
- 33:37Speaker 2: the best team right now.
- 33:38Speaker 1: They're Super Bowl odds skyrocketed after the Chiefs lost.
- 33:41Speaker 2: Last thing too, and especially when you look the Vikings
- 33:44Speaker 2: last opponent. They only beat them by what was the score,
- 33:47Speaker 2: twenty twenty three to thirteen. The Vikings beat them by ten,
- 33:52Speaker 2: whereas the Lions when they played the Titans just a
- 33:55Speaker 2: few weeks ago, they beat them by like forty plus,
- 33:58Speaker 2: so if you're comparing apples to apples, Yeah, I.
- 34:02Speaker 1: Would still like to point out that the Vikings held
- 34:05Speaker 1: the Lions to a relatively low point total thirty one
- 34:08Speaker 1: to twenty nine I think was the score when the
- 34:11Speaker 1: Vikings hosted the Lions earlier this season. So that Week
- 34:16Speaker 1: eighteen game has so much in it, and I think
- 34:20Speaker 1: I think it will be and I don't know, maybe
- 34:22Speaker 1: there is a script writer out there. You know, they
- 34:26Speaker 1: have to have that one circled and they have to
- 34:28Speaker 1: maybe be building this crescendo towards that climactic moment of
- 34:33Speaker 1: that Week eighteen NFC North clash between the Vikings and
- 34:37Speaker 1: the Lions.
- 34:38Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's one that could be flexed, I think
- 34:40Speaker 2: they'll look long and hard at flexing that out of
- 34:43Speaker 2: a noon slot.
- 34:43Speaker 1: But oh, it's already an option to flex. Oh yeah,
- 34:47Speaker 1: like it's on the calendar as TBD, and oh flex
- 34:51Speaker 1: it if they and I fully expect them to, if
- 34:54Speaker 1: the Vikings and Lions are in any sort of meaningful
- 34:58Speaker 1: situation where it could decide the number one seed, or
- 35:02Speaker 1: it could decide the division winner or both. You never know.
- 35:06Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will say too to kind of wrap up,
- 35:09Speaker 2: at least for me, this thought. Yes, the Lions on paper,
- 35:12Speaker 2: not only are they better than the Vikings, they're on
- 35:14Speaker 2: paper better than any other team in the NFL. But
- 35:18Speaker 2: and this is kind of frustrating for me, and maybe
- 35:23Speaker 2: I'll just jump right into my first thorn do is
- 35:26Speaker 2: that My first thorn from the Titans game and really
- 35:30Speaker 2: just the Viking season overall, is that the Vikings seem
- 35:33Speaker 2: to be playing up or down to their level of opponent. Yes,
- 35:37Speaker 2: the defense has been touted, other than those couple of
- 35:39Speaker 2: weeks where they seem to disappear, the defense is elite,
- 35:42Speaker 2: but overall, the team in general seems to be playing
- 35:47Speaker 2: tough games against their opponent, no matter who their opponent is.
- 35:52Speaker 2: And it seems like for that reason, Yeah, you can
- 35:54Speaker 2: say they could beat anybody on any week and they
- 35:57Speaker 2: shouldn't be favored or you know, non favored by too
- 36:02Speaker 2: many points either way. But it is kind of frustrating
- 36:05Speaker 2: to think that, like, oh, yeah, the Vikings are good,
- 36:07Speaker 2: they should win, but like it'll still be a close game,
- 36:09Speaker 2: whether it's the Colts are the Lions. I mean, that's
- 36:13Speaker 2: that's my biggest thorn so far for the Vikings. This
- 36:15Speaker 2: weekend this season.
- 36:16Speaker 1: And it seems like the Vikings haven't really had a
- 36:19Speaker 1: blowout game. I mean, the only blowout game that I
- 36:23Speaker 1: would consider that the Vikings have had this year is
- 36:25Speaker 1: against the Texans, okay, thirty four to seven, And before that,
- 36:30Speaker 1: the Giants game was order line blowout to the Giants game,
- 36:35Speaker 1: I mean, well, they just benched o'anniel Jones. I know, yeah,
- 36:40Speaker 1: no one's gonna brag about beating the Giants like that's
- 36:43Speaker 1: just that's just hogwash. But when you beat the Texans
- 36:47Speaker 1: thirty four to seven. We're watching the Texans right now
- 36:50Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football and they're up by a touchdown
- 36:52Speaker 1: on the Cowboys, and the Texans looked pretty good after
- 36:57Speaker 1: the Vikings.
- 36:58Speaker 2: They've sustained a few more loss, but they almost beat
- 37:01Speaker 2: the Lions.
- 37:02Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 37:02Speaker 2: Yeah, they've had some close ones and they've had some
- 37:05Speaker 2: tough losses too, but I think they're still in position
- 37:07Speaker 2: to probably win the AFC South potentially. I haven't paid
- 37:12Speaker 2: two close attention to the other teams, but yeah, probably.
- 37:15Speaker 2: But anyways, all that to say, other than that Texans game,
- 37:18Speaker 2: the Vikings have just had a lot of close games
- 37:21Speaker 2: and you would expect, you know, these last three games.
- 37:26Speaker 2: The Colts, the Jags, the Titans, not great teams, lower
- 37:31Speaker 2: tier of the league, teams that just are not known
- 37:34Speaker 2: for putting up a lot of points and are known for,
- 37:37Speaker 2: like the Lions beating the Titans. I think you said
- 37:40Speaker 2: it was just giving up a ton of points to
- 37:43Speaker 2: opposing offenses. So yeah, it's a little frustrating that the
- 37:47Speaker 2: Vikings can't seem to get it figured out. I think
- 37:51Speaker 2: they've been figuring it out though. I think it's part
- 37:53Speaker 2: of the process. We were saying this last year. Remember
- 37:58Speaker 2: the Vikings. If the Vikings made the playof last year,
- 38:00Speaker 2: you said this a lot, they're.
- 38:02Speaker 1: Going to be a dangerous team. Oh yeah, because they
- 38:05Speaker 1: know how to face adversity. They know how to win
- 38:09Speaker 1: tough games. And I think the same is true for
- 38:12Speaker 1: this year's Vikings too. You know, they didn't really face
- 38:15Speaker 1: adversity the first three weeks of the season, and then
- 38:18Speaker 1: they kind of had a test in London against the Jets,
- 38:21Speaker 1: and then they lost too to the Lions and the Rams,
- 38:26Speaker 1: and they overcame that and they've overcome some injury. They
- 38:29Speaker 1: went out Quacy helped the team by going out and
- 38:32Speaker 1: getting Cam Robinson.
- 38:34Speaker 2: Such a pivotal trade to that and that one may
- 38:36Speaker 2: have saved the season.
- 38:37Speaker 1: And cam Akers, yeah to kind of step in for
- 38:41Speaker 1: a flailing ty Chandler at their running back two position.
- 38:44Speaker 1: So I mean, you got to give kudos to Quacy
- 38:47Speaker 1: for helping the team when they needed it, but also
- 38:51Speaker 1: you got to give props to the rest of the
- 38:53Speaker 1: team and Kevin O'Connell and the coaching staff for continuing
- 38:56Speaker 1: to motivate these guys to go out and play hard
- 38:59Speaker 1: each and every week. I think it's a really unselfish
- 39:02Speaker 1: locker room. I think they just want to win games,
- 39:04Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody cares what the stat line
- 39:07Speaker 1: is publicly.
- 39:09Speaker 2: I think, and this is me just kind of watching
- 39:12Speaker 2: his interviews, I think Justin Jefferson would love to be
- 39:15Speaker 2: getting more yards. Yeah, I think he understands the gravity
- 39:19Speaker 2: of the situation that a win is better than one
- 39:23Speaker 2: hundred yards receiving or even a touchdown. But I think,
- 39:27Speaker 2: you know, superstars want the ball in their hands, not
- 39:29Speaker 2: to And I realized that I just totally cut into
- 39:32Speaker 2: your thought undercut your thought process, because I do agree
- 39:36Speaker 2: with you overall, but I think to say that this
- 39:39Speaker 2: is totally unselfish and that nobody really cares about stats
- 39:43Speaker 2: is not quite true, because I do think if you
- 39:47Speaker 2: ask Justin Jefferson, in his heart of hearts, if he
- 39:50Speaker 2: wanted to have twenty targets and three hundred yards and
- 39:53Speaker 2: five touchdowns every game. What if a receiver said, no,
- 39:59Speaker 2: I don't want that, then you don't want that guy
- 40:00Speaker 2: in her team.
- 40:01Speaker 1: Well you can see it. You can see it in
- 40:03Speaker 1: his body language. He got the last of the game
- 40:05Speaker 1: balls in Kevin O'Connell's postgame speech to the locker room,
- 40:10Speaker 1: and you know, he broke a record, so to speak.
- 40:14Speaker 1: He's got the most yards through five seasons in the
- 40:18Speaker 1: NFL as a receiver, both in the franchise and in
- 40:21Speaker 1: the league, and he didn't really seem to care like
- 40:26Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell kind of hyped it up, like, yeah, he
- 40:28Speaker 1: had eighty seven yards today and he's now on his
- 40:31Speaker 1: way to being one of the greatest of all times. Yea.
- 40:34Speaker 1: And Justin gets the game ball, and you know, he
- 40:36Speaker 1: gives him a hug, but you can just tell he's like,
- 40:39Speaker 1: I wanted more. He wanted more.
- 40:41Speaker 2: And I know I'm kind of going against the point
- 40:44Speaker 2: that I was just trying to make, but I do
- 40:47Speaker 2: think truly justin Jefferson also knows. I mean, he is
- 40:53Speaker 2: the captain, he is the face of the franchise. He
- 40:57Speaker 2: knows winning does mean more than one hundred yards and
- 41:01Speaker 2: two touchdowns. Sure, but I mean there's also you're never
- 41:04Speaker 2: gonna say I don't want one hundred yards and two
- 41:06Speaker 2: touchdowns or whatever. So I think there is that he
- 41:10Speaker 2: might be in that weird spot too of like, yes,
- 41:12Speaker 2: I'm doing all these things. Statistically, I got the biggest
- 41:15Speaker 2: contract ever for a non quarterback. We're winning, so there's
- 41:18Speaker 2: nothing to be complaining about. I think in this same
- 41:20Speaker 2: scenario Stefan Diggs, he might be missing a practice. He
- 41:24Speaker 2: might be showing up with his hood over his head,
- 41:26Speaker 2: oh for sure. So he probably is a little frustrated
- 41:30Speaker 2: or maybe disappointed is not the right word, but it's
- 41:33Speaker 2: the only one that I can think of. He probably
- 41:35Speaker 2: is a little disappointed in his lack of you know,
- 41:39Speaker 2: just historical stats right now. But I think he, you know,
- 41:44Speaker 2: he is level headed enough to know like we're winning
- 41:46Speaker 2: eight and two is not you don't get that every year.
- 41:49Speaker 1: Well, and I think he's maturing and he's learning, and
- 41:52Speaker 1: he's been this way. I mean that's kind of the
- 41:54Speaker 1: anomaly of Justin Jefferson is he's kind of been this
- 41:57Speaker 1: way since he got into the league. He's just had
- 41:59Speaker 1: a very sure personality about him anyways, both in front
- 42:03Speaker 1: of the camera and on the field, and I'm sure
- 42:06Speaker 1: behind the scenes too. I think he's a pretty genuine guy.
- 42:09Speaker 1: But he's he's learning some valuable lessons. When you're the
- 42:15Speaker 1: highest paid non quarterback player in the league, you're gonna
- 42:18Speaker 1: attract coverage, and he's been draped like crazy. And something
- 42:23Speaker 1: I was thinking about earlier today, he took a pretty
- 42:26Speaker 1: nice pass interference penalty I think in the first or
- 42:30Speaker 1: second quarter against the Titans. Those things don't show up
- 42:33Speaker 1: on the stat sheet. They're not credited to him as
- 42:35Speaker 1: yards if you add those things, because in the NFL
- 42:39Speaker 1: now it's a spot foul. And I think that was
- 42:42Speaker 1: like a thirty some yard penalty against the Titans. Like
- 42:45Speaker 1: that's thirty yards that Justin Jefferson gains. It's almost as
- 42:49Speaker 1: if he caught that ball and was tackled right where
- 42:52Speaker 1: he caught the ball. Unfortunately, it doesn't show up in
- 42:54Speaker 1: the stat sheet that way, and he doesn't get the
- 42:56Speaker 1: credit for it. But I think he's learning like, Okay,
- 42:59Speaker 1: if this is my lot in life right now, that
- 43:02Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be double and triple teamed all over
- 43:05Speaker 1: the field and guys are going to be flailing themselves
- 43:10Speaker 1: over me to try and prevent me from catching the
- 43:12Speaker 1: ball because they know I'm so good. Then I'm just
- 43:14Speaker 1: gonna do what I can to get the ball down
- 43:17Speaker 1: the field and help my team get into position to score.
- 43:19Speaker 2: It still helps the team, and I think Jefferson would say, hey,
- 43:22Speaker 2: I'm doing the Lord's work over here. If they got
- 43:25Speaker 2: to hold me to give me more yards, that's fine, yep.
- 43:28Speaker 1: And he did that for sure and put the Vikings
- 43:31Speaker 1: in a good spot. So I don't know. Yes, we
- 43:35Speaker 1: would all love to see Justin Jefferson get more yards,
- 43:38Speaker 1: score more touchdowns, and I know he would too, but
- 43:42Speaker 1: the Vikings are winning games. I don't think he's complaining.
- 43:46Speaker 1: I think he's not public. It's all silent behind closed
- 43:50Speaker 1: doors and they're taking care of it anyway. I think
- 43:51Speaker 1: he's using it as motivation, like right, let's keep grinding,
- 43:54Speaker 1: let's keep going, Let's keep you know, let's throw a
- 43:57Speaker 1: few extra balls after practice with Sam Darnold, keep working
- 44:00Speaker 1: on that chemistry. Let's keep fine tuning these routes so
- 44:03Speaker 1: that he can just throw it to me and I'm
- 44:05Speaker 1: there and I can catch it and we can win
- 44:07Speaker 1: some more games down a stretch.
- 44:09Speaker 2: We've seen what happens against the Jaguars when Sam Donald
- 44:12Speaker 2: tries to force balls to really anybody, but specifically Justin Jefferson.
- 44:17Speaker 1: All three of those picks were targets to Justin Jefferson
- 44:19Speaker 1: against the Jags. But all that that was.
- 44:22Speaker 2: My thorn is that the Vikings continue to play to
- 44:26Speaker 2: the level of their opponent and they just haven't dominated
- 44:30Speaker 2: anybody for a while.
- 44:32Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a big thorn for me is this
- 44:34Speaker 1: defensive secondary. They really showed some signs of weakness. Joshua
- 44:39Speaker 1: Tellus was the lowest graded PFF score on the team,
- 44:43Speaker 1: and he was the one that gave up that huge
- 44:45Speaker 1: what it wasn't ninety seven yards? Ny eight yards?
- 44:49Speaker 4: Whatever?
- 44:49Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not to say that he played terribly.
- 44:53Speaker 1: And that guy's all over the field. And I mean,
- 44:56Speaker 1: Brian Flores is like a chemist, you know, in the
- 44:59Speaker 1: last and he's mixing up all sorts of stuff. And
- 45:01Speaker 1: he's got Harrison Smith, who's you know, older than we
- 45:05Speaker 1: are lining up with, you know, two fingers in the dirt,
- 45:09Speaker 1: ready to go blitz the guy one play and then he's,
- 45:11Speaker 1: you know, lining up is the strong safety on another
- 45:14Speaker 1: play and he's all over the place. So you can't
- 45:18Speaker 1: fault a guy like Josh Mittelis for giving up a
- 45:20Speaker 1: big play like that. Unfortunately, it didn't wreck the game
- 45:24Speaker 1: for the Vikings. But Harrison Smith is starting to show
- 45:28Speaker 1: his age, and I think that's obvious. I don't think
- 45:32Speaker 1: it's so obvious and so detrimental that he needs to
- 45:36Speaker 1: be benched yet. And I think his presence on the
- 45:39Speaker 1: field is huge, and I think those other guys feed
- 45:42Speaker 1: off of his energy. And he's still had an interception
- 45:44Speaker 1: that kind of sealed the game against the Titans, So
- 45:47Speaker 1: I'm not saying bench Harrison Smith. I saw something today
- 45:51Speaker 1: on Twitter that said, can we just crown a Hall
- 45:54Speaker 1: of Famer while they're still playing? And I think he's,
- 45:57Speaker 1: you know, one of the very few that deserves an
- 45:59Speaker 1: honor like that. He's been doing it for so long,
- 46:02Speaker 1: he's been so consistently good. I'm not at all trying
- 46:05Speaker 1: to downplay Harrison Smith. But they showed some cracks, they
- 46:10Speaker 1: showed some weaknesses in this is a unit that has
- 46:15Speaker 1: played really really well and has a lot of interceptions
- 46:18Speaker 1: on the season. Cam Bydam has a few, Byron Murphy
- 46:21Speaker 1: has a few, Mattelis I think has at least one.
- 46:24Speaker 2: I think so oh yeah, he got the like the
- 46:26Speaker 2: tip one, the one against the forty nine ers, and
- 46:28Speaker 2: Harrison Smith now has a few I think on the season,
- 46:32Speaker 2: at least the one.
- 46:33Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean they're a unit that's played
- 46:36Speaker 1: really well throughout the season, and they just they did
- 46:38Speaker 1: not have their best game against the Titans at the
- 46:42Speaker 1: ninety seven ninety eight yarders the one that stands out,
- 46:45Speaker 1: I think, but there are several other plays that were
- 46:48Speaker 1: just they just kept giving up those big chunk plays,
- 46:50Speaker 1: and it's it comes down to I think it comes
- 46:53Speaker 1: down to play calling, and I think at times Brian
- 46:56Speaker 1: Flores was getting a little soft because the Vikings were
- 46:58Speaker 1: up by a lot, and he was like, we're not
- 47:00Speaker 1: going to press. We're gonna just kind of back off
- 47:02Speaker 1: and let the players come to us. And it's also
- 47:05Speaker 1: just the play of the guys too, and getting in
- 47:09Speaker 1: the right position and making sure that you're ready to
- 47:12Speaker 1: take on whatever comes at you. So yeah, I think
- 47:16Speaker 1: the defensive secondary needs to improve they've got to do
- 47:19Speaker 1: a little soul searching and figure out how they can
- 47:22Speaker 1: right the ship for the rest of the season.
- 47:24Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, But can I talk you
- 47:27Speaker 2: off the ledge just a little bit on that point specifically.
- 47:31Speaker 2: And I don't think I'm gonna say anything that you
- 47:34Speaker 2: wouldn't agree with either. I think and I think you
- 47:37Speaker 2: said this too. The Mattellis ninety eight yard touchdown pass.
- 47:41Speaker 2: I mean, he's a really good player that I said
- 47:44Speaker 2: it earlier in the episode. Good players on the other
- 47:47Speaker 2: team they get paid two that's gonna happen at some point,
- 47:50Speaker 2: Like he may have made one mistake, and that ninety
- 47:53Speaker 2: eight yard touchdown maybe a culmination of like three or
- 47:56Speaker 2: four players making it just a little bit of a mistake,
- 47:59Speaker 2: or just one step when they should have taken two steps,
- 48:02Speaker 2: or just just a tenth of a second looking tenth
- 48:05Speaker 2: of a second looking this way when they should have
- 48:07Speaker 2: been looking that way. That could have just been a
- 48:09Speaker 2: culmination of a few things. And again I think you
- 48:12Speaker 2: agree with me.
- 48:12Speaker 3: It's just it.
- 48:13Speaker 2: Looked really bad that Mettellis was the one that totally
- 48:16Speaker 2: whiffed on knocking the ball down and it went for
- 48:18Speaker 2: ninety eight yards. We both know Mittellis is one of
- 48:22Speaker 2: the better players on the team, let alone the defense,
- 48:25Speaker 2: and he's going to be just fine.
- 48:26Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not worried about him.
- 48:28Speaker 2: Also about that, and this will come up later in
- 48:32Speaker 2: my game balls, but Harrison Smith, he is going off
- 48:37Speaker 2: of at least his second game now of playing every
- 48:41Speaker 2: defensive snap. And I mentioned this last week when I
- 48:44Speaker 2: noticed that he played every snap on defense, that I
- 48:47Speaker 2: thought there was something in the offseason when he like
- 48:50Speaker 2: re did his deal to solidify that he was going
- 48:53Speaker 2: to be on the team this year, that there was
- 48:55Speaker 2: going to be some kind of I think Koc even
- 48:57Speaker 2: said something something to the tune of, yeah, Harrison Smith,
- 49:01Speaker 2: he's going to be He didn't say pitch count, but
- 49:06Speaker 2: the idea was that Harrison Smith was going to be
- 49:08Speaker 2: on some kind of a pitch count this year, and
- 49:10Speaker 2: you know, not play every single play of every single game.
- 49:13Speaker 2: And here we are, and I don't know about three
- 49:15Speaker 2: games ago, but at least this game against the Jaguars,
- 49:18Speaker 2: and I know for sure against the or this game
- 49:20Speaker 2: against the Titans, and also against the Jaguars last week,
- 49:24Speaker 2: Harrison Smith played every single defensive snap for both of
- 49:27Speaker 2: those games.
- 49:27Speaker 1: So credit to him.
- 49:29Speaker 2: Yeah, credit to him for what is he thirty five,
- 49:32Speaker 2: which go figure, that's that's not too much older than
- 49:37Speaker 2: you and I, but thirty five as an NFL player,
- 49:39Speaker 2: he's older than we are. Credit to him for continuing
- 49:43Speaker 2: to be in there. And if he were playing poorly
- 49:46Speaker 2: at the safety position, we would see it. We would
- 49:49Speaker 2: say like, yeah, where's Harrison Smith on that? Like why
- 49:51Speaker 2: is he the one, you know, getting burned for a
- 49:54Speaker 2: ninety eight yard touchdown? And maybe he did have a
- 49:56Speaker 2: small part in that one. I don't know, but I
- 49:58Speaker 2: do know he got the game ceiling interception, and I
- 50:01Speaker 2: do know he is a Hall of Famer on the
- 50:04Speaker 2: field currently, So I do think. And the third point
- 50:09Speaker 2: of kind of talking you off the ledge about the
- 50:12Speaker 2: Vikings secondary is if you look at the Vikings defense
- 50:16Speaker 2: and they're rushing numbers, the numbers that teams have when
- 50:19Speaker 2: they're trying to rush against the Vikings, they're not able
- 50:23Speaker 2: to The Vikings don't allow rushing yards. I think one
- 50:27Speaker 2: of the only one hundred yard rushers this season was
- 50:30Speaker 2: Jordan Mason in like.
- 50:32Speaker 1: Week two for the forty niners.
- 50:35Speaker 2: The Vikings are a team that you do not you
- 50:38Speaker 2: don't successfully rush against them. Jonathan Taylor got like thirty
- 50:41Speaker 2: or forty yards. Nobody has succeeded as a rusher against
- 50:46Speaker 2: the Vikings. So when you're the cartoon and you're plugging
- 50:50Speaker 2: every hole of the dam, eventually the water is going
- 50:53Speaker 2: to come out somewhere. And I think that's just teams saying, Okay,
- 50:56Speaker 2: we can't rush against you, Maybe we can throw a
- 51:00Speaker 2: quick pass, maybe we can gain a few garbage time
- 51:03Speaker 2: passing yards, and so offenses are gonna win somehow. They're
- 51:08Speaker 2: gonna find some way to gain yards and move the ball.
- 51:12Speaker 2: And if you're gonna try to do that, at least
- 51:14Speaker 2: one way you're able to do it against the twenty
- 51:16Speaker 2: twenty four Vikings is maybe throw throw the ball a
- 51:19Speaker 2: few times, but you're still not going to score very often.
- 51:22Speaker 2: So just to kind of pull you away from the ledge,
- 51:25Speaker 2: not that you were saying this is a terrible team
- 51:27Speaker 2: and it's the secondary's fault, but I think it's one
- 51:30Speaker 2: of those definitions of ben don't break. Yeah, they're vending
- 51:34Speaker 2: with the passing yardage against, but they're not breaking.
- 51:38Speaker 1: I would just to kind of counter the argument a
- 51:41Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know that the secondary and I
- 51:44Speaker 1: don't have the stats to back this up. You tried,
- 51:47Speaker 1: I saw you looking for some numbers. This is just anecdotal.
- 51:49Speaker 1: Well I wasn't looking for those numbers, but anecdotal. I
- 51:52Speaker 1: watched the game. I think the linebacking corps and the
- 51:56Speaker 1: defensive line are really to credit for stop the run
- 52:00Speaker 1: game against the Titans. Absolutely not to say that the
- 52:03Speaker 1: safeties and the corners weren't involved. Of course they were.
- 52:07Speaker 1: They have to be, and I'm sure they all had
- 52:10Speaker 1: some rushing tackles. Again, I don't have concrete numbers to
- 52:16Speaker 1: look at, but I think that the line and the
- 52:20Speaker 1: linebackers played better than the secondary. That's the point I'm
- 52:24Speaker 1: trying to make. And we've seen this defense play well
- 52:28Speaker 1: in all three levels. We've seen them play well in
- 52:30Speaker 1: the trenches. We've seen those backers play really well. We've
- 52:33Speaker 1: seen these safeties and corners play really well. I think
- 52:37Speaker 1: we're kind of getting out of this sleepy phase of
- 52:40Speaker 1: the Vikings defense and we're getting back to the Vikings
- 52:44Speaker 1: defense of the early part of the season. And I
- 52:46Speaker 1: think you get guys healthy, you get Harrison Smith who's
- 52:50Speaker 1: playing every single defensive snap in a game and feeling
- 52:53Speaker 1: great at thirty.
- 52:54Speaker 4: Five years old.
- 52:55Speaker 2: I don't know about we'd have to hear from him
- 52:57Speaker 2: if he's feeling okay.
- 52:58Speaker 1: But he must be still, he must be feeling okay
- 53:01Speaker 1: if he's not saying, coach, take me out for a few.
- 53:04Speaker 3: You know.
- 53:04Speaker 1: And you look at the injury report, he's usually on there,
- 53:07Speaker 1: not because he's injured, but just because veterans, I think,
- 53:10Speaker 1: can I don't know the rules on that, but they
- 53:12Speaker 1: can take rest days.
- 53:13Speaker 2: I've seen the official injury reports say like, you know,
- 53:17Speaker 2: rest day.
- 53:17Speaker 1: Yeah, they are not injury related, Yeah, exactly. And so
- 53:20Speaker 1: I think when they reach a certain number of years
- 53:22Speaker 1: of service, they get some time to just and I'm
- 53:25Speaker 1: sure I would venture to guess, because like as a teacher,
- 53:29Speaker 1: I get I accumulate sick days, and I get like,
- 53:32Speaker 1: you know, twenty summer year or something or not twenty
- 53:35Speaker 1: a year. No, it's not that many. It's like five
- 53:37Speaker 1: or ten a year. But they roll over, yeah, and
- 53:39Speaker 1: they never expire, And so I can accumulate a lot.
- 53:42Speaker 1: So I've got like thirty banked up right now. And
- 53:45Speaker 1: when i'm you know, fifty years old, sixty years old,
- 53:49Speaker 1: I'll probably have like a couple hundred. You'll take some
- 53:52Speaker 1: of those too, so yeah, But anyways, I don't know
- 53:54Speaker 1: if that's how it works for NFL players, but I mean, man,
- 53:59Speaker 1: guys like deserve it if he can come out and
- 54:01Speaker 1: play like he does. And again, I'm not saying that
- 54:04Speaker 1: he's the problem, and I'm not saying that the secondaries
- 54:09Speaker 1: the problem. I'm just saying they showed some signs of weakness.
- 54:13Speaker 1: I think they can tighten up and I think this
- 54:14Speaker 1: defense can be suffocating like they have been in the past. Yeah.
- 54:19Speaker 2: Absolutely, I just had for me one more thorn, and
- 54:23Speaker 2: for me it's Jalen Naylor. Maybe I'm too critical, maybe not,
- 54:28Speaker 2: But Ryan Boser on Twitter had a really good tweet
- 54:31Speaker 2: kind of encapsulated, encapsulating my thoughts on Jalen Naylor, kind
- 54:36Speaker 2: of listing out that he had a muff pun against
- 54:38Speaker 2: Green Bay which was the catalyst to changing that game
- 54:41Speaker 2: from a blowout to a really close game. He had
- 54:45Speaker 2: a fumble scoop score versus Detroit that was overturned, game
- 54:50Speaker 2: changing drop against the Rams. Remember, Darnold was kind of
- 54:55Speaker 2: running for his life and he dumped it off for
- 54:56Speaker 2: a three or four yard pass that would have been
- 54:58Speaker 2: a first down, maybe a touchdown. But Naylor had it
- 55:01Speaker 2: in his arms and he's dropped it. Ryan Bozer said
- 55:05Speaker 2: that he went full Troy Williamson in Tennessee with that huge, beautiful,
- 55:10Speaker 2: maybe the best pass of Sam Donald's professional career that
- 55:14Speaker 2: just dropped at the goal line into Naylor's hands, and
- 55:18Speaker 2: it did. It's like Naylor was pretending to be a
- 55:21Speaker 2: basketball hoop. The ball went straight in. They should have
- 55:24Speaker 2: given Sam Donald two points for that. But I replied
- 55:27Speaker 2: to that with the skull hoop and yeah, three points here.
- 55:30Speaker 2: I replied to that and said, never go full Troy Williamson.
- 55:35Speaker 2: But Bozer finished it by saying, he makes some good plays,
- 55:39Speaker 2: but the negatives outweigh the positives, and he says, cut
- 55:42Speaker 2: of snaps, and I think a combination of Brandon Powell
- 55:46Speaker 2: and shoot oh, Trent Surfield.
- 55:49Speaker 1: Sfield's played well.
- 55:50Speaker 2: Yeah, but the combination of those two are better as
- 55:55Speaker 2: a wide receiver three than Jalen Naylor is, just because
- 55:58Speaker 2: he seems to crumble in the few opportunities He's getting well,
- 56:02Speaker 2: and I'm ready for Naylor to move on.
- 56:05Speaker 1: And you've said this. I think Dustin Baker has said
- 56:08Speaker 1: this on his show and our show before TJ. Hoginson
- 56:14Speaker 1: effectively plays that wide receiver three role anyways, and he's
- 56:18Speaker 1: kind of been mysteriously well, he's still working in I mean,
- 56:22Speaker 1: he had a life changing injury Tjherson did, and we're
- 56:27Speaker 1: still getting some uptick and value really since TJ.
- 56:30Speaker 2: Hockinson came in from Josh Oliver, who's had a career
- 56:34Speaker 2: year so far.
- 56:35Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and not not negating any of that
- 56:37Speaker 1: at all, But I guess when it comes to Okay,
- 56:41Speaker 1: we've got Jalen Naylor who's struggling and he can make
- 56:45Speaker 1: some plays. Well, if you're Kevin O'Connell, the plays that
- 56:49Speaker 1: would go to him. See if you can find something
- 56:52Speaker 1: to get to TJ. You know, work him into those
- 56:55Speaker 1: spots where you were going to Jalen Naylor before. Continue
- 56:59Speaker 1: to try to feed you Jefferson the ball because he's
- 57:01Speaker 1: your playmaker. Continue to find Jordan Addison like you did
- 57:04Speaker 1: for forty seven yards in the first quarter. That was awesome,
- 57:08Speaker 1: and that may be the best play of That may
- 57:11Speaker 1: be the actual best play of Sam Donald's career. It
- 57:13Speaker 1: could even maybe above that ninety eight yard touchdown or
- 57:17Speaker 1: ninety seven or whatever, because I'll give a lot of
- 57:19Speaker 1: the credit to that long bomb to Justin Jefferson because
- 57:22Speaker 1: he's the one that Yeah, he kind of weaved his
- 57:24Speaker 1: way and you know, got into the end zone down
- 57:27Speaker 1: there at the end.
- 57:28Speaker 2: Donald and taking nothing away from Jordan Addison on that touchdown,
- 57:32Speaker 2: he made it happen. But Donald, that may be the
- 57:35Speaker 2: best play quarterbacking play of his career.
- 57:38Speaker 1: Something I was talking about with my brother in law
- 57:40Speaker 1: when he was here watching the game with us. Jordan Addison,
- 57:44Speaker 1: he's kind of that deep ball threat and that's kind
- 57:46Speaker 1: of his game. He can run the route tree and
- 57:50Speaker 1: if you give him some routes, he'll find it. He
- 57:52Speaker 1: can do some of those crossing routes and get open
- 57:55Speaker 1: in the middle. But he excels those long downfield passes
- 58:01Speaker 1: and I think that's what he wants, and I think
- 58:02Speaker 1: that's kind of I think that was the motivation behind
- 58:05Speaker 1: this whole free three thing.
- 58:07Speaker 2: Was well he and you said it too. He's he's
- 58:10Speaker 2: been saying that for years.
- 58:11Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. I'm not trying to justify what he's saying,
- 58:15Speaker 1: but I think I think he knows that he's that
- 58:18Speaker 1: downfield threat. He's the deep ball guy. He's he's the shorter,
- 58:23Speaker 1: quieter Randy Moss.
- 58:25Speaker 2: Yeah, he is pretty fluid on those those longer, deeper routes.
- 58:30Speaker 2: The only times we've really complained about him is we've
- 58:33Speaker 2: perceived those quick scaty routes where he's supposed to run
- 58:39Speaker 2: five yards and cut in, we've perceived that he's running
- 58:42Speaker 2: them incorrectly. And maybe that's true. But when he seems
- 58:45Speaker 2: to be, like the highlight reel is when he's like
- 58:49Speaker 2: just cutting through and just going deep and like you're
- 58:52Speaker 2: just saying he's the deep ball guy.
- 58:54Speaker 1: And I think the difference between him and Justin Jefferson
- 58:57Speaker 1: is Justin Jefferson is the all, all in wide receiver.
- 59:02Speaker 1: He can do it all. He can play out of
- 59:04Speaker 1: the slot, he can play out wide. He can run
- 59:06Speaker 1: those quick out routes, he can run those quick in routes,
- 59:10Speaker 1: he can run those post routes, he can run everything.
- 59:13Speaker 1: He's Justin Jefferson has the entire route tree at his disposal,
- 59:18Speaker 1: and you put the ball within five yards of him
- 59:20Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna come down with it. Yet we
- 59:22Speaker 1: don't see very many things, very many plays where he doesn't,
- 59:26Speaker 1: and we've seen Sam Darnald try to force it to him,
- 59:29Speaker 1: and I think those are more on Sam Darnold than
- 59:31Speaker 1: they are on Justin Jefferson.
- 59:33Speaker 2: Honestly, you remember when Jefferson was drafted Before you and
- 59:37Speaker 2: I are, anybody who only follows professional football knew anything
- 59:40Speaker 2: about him. We were just hearing, Oh, Jefferson, he'll be
- 59:43Speaker 2: a good slot receiver, he'll be a decent inside guy. Nobody,
- 59:49Speaker 2: at least on our thought process, thought he would turn
- 59:51Speaker 2: into the next Rainy Moss, the next face of the league.
- 59:56Speaker 2: But how great is it that.
- 59:58Speaker 1: He has yeah, and so cool that he's just such
- 1:00:00Speaker 1: a great guy to back it up, Oh yeah, I
- 1:00:02Speaker 1: got a great personality, and he's staying out of trouble
- 1:00:06Speaker 1: at least for the most part right now. And you
- 1:00:08Speaker 1: can't complain about a guy like that.
- 1:00:10Speaker 2: But yeah, all that to say, I'm going to advocate
- 1:00:12Speaker 2: for a combination of Brandon Powell, who made a freaking
- 1:00:16Speaker 2: amazing catch, maybe the best catch of his career, saving
- 1:00:19Speaker 2: it from the ground. A combination of Brandon Powell and
- 1:00:22Speaker 2: Trent Sherfield to really take all of the snaps that
- 1:00:26Speaker 2: Jalen Naylor would have taken. I'd be okay with Jalen
- 1:00:28Speaker 2: Naylor not playing again on offense.
- 1:00:31Speaker 1: And I would advocate for more passes to TJ.
- 1:00:33Speaker 2: Hocken and I agree with that too. Any other thorns
- 1:00:36Speaker 2: for you? Or are we going to game balls? So
- 1:00:37Speaker 2: let's hand out some game balls offense? Where are you
- 1:00:41Speaker 2: going with?
- 1:00:42Speaker 3: All? Right?
- 1:00:42Speaker 2: My offensive game ball? Just because it seems like we've
- 1:00:45Speaker 2: got what should be back to normal for Vikings version
- 1:00:50Speaker 2: of Sam Darnold, He's my offensive game ball. I keep
- 1:00:54Speaker 2: wanting to say no turnovers. Yes, that pitch fumble to
- 1:00:59Speaker 2: Aaron Jones on the first drive of the game was
- 1:01:01Speaker 2: technically credited to Sam Donald, maybe even his fault. Maybe
- 1:01:05Speaker 2: it wasn't one hundred percent great pitch, But outside of that,
- 1:01:08Speaker 2: I'm comfortable enough saying no turnovers for him, especially after
- 1:01:12Speaker 2: throwing three picks to the Jaguars the week before four
- 1:01:16Speaker 2: that one didn't count.
- 1:01:18Speaker 1: He looked great.
- 1:01:19Speaker 2: Best game of his Vikings career, I think, and seems
- 1:01:22Speaker 2: like he has made an effort to correct the issues
- 1:01:26Speaker 2: that were popping up in this Lowell period. I think
- 1:01:31Speaker 2: he's earned it, Sam Donald my Vikings game ball on
- 1:01:34Speaker 2: offense this week.
- 1:01:35Speaker 1: I'm going Jordan addison forty seven yard touchdown was awesome.
- 1:01:39Speaker 1: You said it was maybe Sam Donald's best throw of
- 1:01:41Speaker 1: his career. It might be jan one of Jordan Addison's
- 1:01:44Speaker 1: best plays of his career. And again, we just got
- 1:01:48Speaker 1: done talking about him. He might be not as multifaceted
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: as Justin Jefferson, but I still think he's a really
- 1:01:55Speaker 1: good receiver, really good player, and he makes play. Yeah,
- 1:02:00Speaker 1: and you can't, you can't. I think he was Was
- 1:02:03Speaker 1: he the only receiving touchdown? No, cam Akers had a
- 1:02:07Speaker 1: receiving touchdown, But yeah, Justin Jefferson's probably frustrated that he
- 1:02:13Speaker 1: doesn't have as many touchdowns as he could this year.
- 1:02:16Speaker 2: But Jefferson's also not never been a touchdown machine. No,
- 1:02:20Speaker 2: he gets five to sixty seven eight. You know, he's
- 1:02:22Speaker 2: not a twenty touchdown guy. He's just really good. He
- 1:02:26Speaker 2: will be at some point he'll get a twenty touchdown year.
- 1:02:28Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree with that.
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, he gets my offensive game ball YEP.
- 1:02:33Speaker 2: For defense for me, I said it earlier. Harrison Smith
- 1:02:35Speaker 2: played every single defensive snap. The guy is a living,
- 1:02:40Speaker 2: breathing Hall of Famer. I saw that tweet too. I
- 1:02:44Speaker 2: wish I remembered who it was that said, can we
- 1:02:46Speaker 2: just induct guys when they're still in? I wonder is
- 1:02:50Speaker 2: there another sport I feel like, like NASCAR, you could
- 1:02:53Speaker 2: be inducted maybe coming in. Who was the Redskins coach
- 1:02:59Speaker 2: that was an inducted and then years later came back
- 1:03:02Speaker 2: as a coach again, Joe Gibbs or something like that.
- 1:03:05Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 1:03:06Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, anyways, like it he if if Harrison Smith
- 1:03:11Speaker 2: doesn't get first ballot Hall of Fame, I no longer
- 1:03:16Speaker 2: care about the Hall of Fame, Like that's ridiculous, kind
- 1:03:19Speaker 2: of like Jim Marshall not being in and Chuck Foreman
- 1:03:24Speaker 2: not being in. That's egregious. All three of those guys
- 1:03:27Speaker 2: should be in right now. And I know Harrison Smith
- 1:03:29Speaker 2: is still an active player. I know that's against the rules,
- 1:03:32Speaker 2: but they should be in.
- 1:03:32Speaker 1: Those other two, though, are are crimes? Actually, Like that's criminal?
- 1:03:36Speaker 2: How did those guys not get in? There's tons of
- 1:03:39Speaker 2: guys in the Hall of Fame that are not as
- 1:03:41Speaker 2: deserving as Jim Marshall and Chuck Foreman. Anyways, Harrison Smith
- 1:03:47Speaker 2: my defensive game ball.
- 1:03:48Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. I'm gonna cheat a little
- 1:03:50Speaker 1: bit and I'm gonna give three defensive game balls. Oh no,
- 1:03:54Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Van Ginkel and Pat Jones for reasons
- 1:03:56Speaker 1: we've already mentioned. They both had two sacks, they both
- 1:03:59Speaker 1: had he tackles for loss. It was nice to see
- 1:04:03Speaker 1: Pat Jones. He's kind of my guy. I like Pat Jones. Oh,
- 1:04:06Speaker 1: he was kind of my early season defensive game ball guy.
- 1:04:11Speaker 1: He started hot and then he kind of quieted down,
- 1:04:14Speaker 1: like we said, but he's come back in this game.
- 1:04:17Speaker 1: That was fun to watch. Blake Cashman, though, it's hard
- 1:04:20Speaker 1: to underestimate his presence on the field because when he
- 1:04:24Speaker 1: was gone, the Vikings defense seemed to struggle, and.
- 1:04:28Speaker 2: He was gone for three games when the Vikings lost.
- 1:04:30Speaker 3: Two of them.
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, again, it's hard to underestimate his presence
- 1:04:36Speaker 1: on the field, and that's why he's got to get
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: a ball from me. Like he's just he's a quiet leader.
- 1:04:43Speaker 1: He's got the green dots, so he's kind of quarterbacking
- 1:04:46Speaker 1: the defense. I think I think there's a lot of
- 1:04:48Speaker 1: trust there with Brian Flores. I think he's Yeah, I
- 1:04:54Speaker 1: don't know. Blake Cashman.
- 1:04:55Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more on Blake Cashman. Well,
- 1:04:58Speaker 2: the other two guys too, but I've said it before.
- 1:05:01Speaker 2: I think Blake Cashman is the heartbeat of this Vikings defense.
- 1:05:05Speaker 2: We've seen how different and worse this team looks when
- 1:05:11Speaker 2: he's not on the field, and how much better the defense.
- 1:05:14Speaker 2: We're saying it, the defense is back. I wonder what change. Oh,
- 1:05:16Speaker 2: Blake Cashman came.
- 1:05:17Speaker 1: Back, that's why.
- 1:05:19Speaker 2: And the other two guys, he said, mangingle and Pat Jones?
- 1:05:22Speaker 2: Do you remember, excuse me a burp. Right before the season,
- 1:05:28Speaker 2: we had Dustin Baker on and I kind of brought
- 1:05:30Speaker 2: up the question of like, who would you be surprised
- 1:05:32Speaker 2: the most or the least about if these players were cut?
- 1:05:35Speaker 2: And some of the players I think I listed like
- 1:05:37Speaker 2: five players, and a few of them were cut, like
- 1:05:40Speaker 2: Lewis Scene and a couple other guys, but one of
- 1:05:42Speaker 2: them was Pat Jones, And I'm pretty sure I said
- 1:05:47Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pat Jones was cut.
- 1:05:49Speaker 2: I think he was my second least surprising player to
- 1:05:53Speaker 2: be cut, and I'm happy to be wrong. Hey, the
- 1:05:54Speaker 2: guy's been balling out on the games he's been balling
- 1:05:57Speaker 2: out for, which is more often than not. I'm a
- 1:06:00Speaker 2: Pat Jones fan. I'm realistic. I know he will probably
- 1:06:04Speaker 2: get signed for bigger and better money to a different
- 1:06:06Speaker 2: team next year, and good for him. But if the
- 1:06:09Speaker 2: Viking somehow could keep him without you know, totally hamstringing
- 1:06:14Speaker 2: their cap, I'd be okay with it.
- 1:06:16Speaker 1: Although they do.
- 1:06:17Speaker 2: Have Dallas Turner in waiting to kind of fill up
- 1:06:20Speaker 2: whatever role would be left by Pat Jones.
- 1:06:23Speaker 1: I think his quietness, Dallas Turner's quietness is largely due
- 1:06:27Speaker 1: to just so much depth ahead of him. Who are
- 1:06:30Speaker 1: you going to take off the field? Yeah, exactly So No.
- 1:06:34Speaker 1: I like this defense, and I think there's so much
- 1:06:37Speaker 1: more to tap into on this defense. I'm excited how
- 1:06:40Speaker 1: to see how they play down the stretch here.
- 1:06:42Speaker 3: Yep.
- 1:06:42Speaker 2: One really exciting thing is that Blake Cashman. He is
- 1:06:47Speaker 2: signed to be a Viking through twenty twenty six, so
- 1:06:50Speaker 2: this year, next year, and the year after, so he'll
- 1:06:53Speaker 2: be the heart of the defense hopefully for at least
- 1:06:57Speaker 2: this season and two more beyond that.
- 1:06:58Speaker 1: So that's love it to be happy about school special
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: teams game ball.
- 1:07:04Speaker 2: My special team's game ball, Ryan Wright. I think of
- 1:07:07Speaker 2: the three because he got your kick or your punter
- 1:07:09Speaker 2: and your ear long snapper are the traditional like three
- 1:07:12Speaker 2: you know, special teamers that would get this ball. Ryan
- 1:07:15Speaker 2: Wright in the heart of the other two guys going
- 1:07:18Speaker 2: down and having to work with two other guys out
- 1:07:22Speaker 2: of nowhere. Ryan Wright has not only in that time period,
- 1:07:25Speaker 2: with the last two games played very well. I think
- 1:07:28Speaker 2: he had his best punt against of the season against
- 1:07:31Speaker 2: the Titans here, but also he had a rough season
- 1:07:36Speaker 2: last year and it seems like he's bounced back. I
- 1:07:38Speaker 2: think he dropped a few pounds, which as a punter,
- 1:07:40Speaker 2: I don't know how much of that really matters, but
- 1:07:44Speaker 2: he definitely seems to have taken to heart the idea
- 1:07:47Speaker 2: that hey, they brought in a guy and not just
- 1:07:50Speaker 2: some like random dude, like a guy that almost made
- 1:07:52Speaker 2: his team the year before, and I had actual competition
- 1:07:55Speaker 2: and Ryan Wright. He played great against the Titans, and
- 1:07:59Speaker 2: I think he's been having great year so far.
- 1:08:01Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna give mine to Jake McQuaid, mostly because
- 1:08:04Speaker 1: we really haven't heard his name, and that's a good thing. Yeah,
- 1:08:09Speaker 1: you know, when you have a new long snapper, and
- 1:08:12Speaker 1: when you've had a long snapper like the Vikings have
- 1:08:14Speaker 1: had an interest to Paula for a long time. All
- 1:08:17Speaker 1: Pro has been very consistent, very good at what he does.
- 1:08:22Speaker 1: When he goes down and you bring in someone else
- 1:08:25Speaker 1: like Jake McQuaid and you don't hear his name. That's
- 1:08:29Speaker 1: a good thing, and I think he deserves a game
- 1:08:31Speaker 1: ball for that. Just super consistent, getting the ball into
- 1:08:34Speaker 1: the hands of your specialists and letting them do what
- 1:08:37Speaker 1: they do. That's awesome. And we really haven't had to
- 1:08:40Speaker 1: worry about, Oh no, here we go, we're gonna punt.
- 1:08:42Speaker 1: This could be bad, or oh no, we're going to
- 1:08:44Speaker 1: kick a field goal, this could go horribly wrong. We
- 1:08:47Speaker 1: haven't had to say that. He's put the ball right
- 1:08:49Speaker 1: where it needs to be. He got a little excited,
- 1:08:51Speaker 1: I think on his first one, that one last week
- 1:08:54Speaker 1: against the Jags. But other than that, he's been he's been.
- 1:08:57Speaker 2: Solid, well in some sneaky. The talking point about that
- 1:09:01Speaker 2: one too is he's technically on the practice squad, Jake
- 1:09:04Speaker 2: McQuaid is, and he has one more elevation because you
- 1:09:09Speaker 2: can elevate guys on the practice squad I think three
- 1:09:11Speaker 2: times before you have to sign them to have them
- 1:09:15Speaker 2: elevated again. You can keep them on the practice squad
- 1:09:18Speaker 2: after those three times. It's just you can't elevate them
- 1:09:21Speaker 2: to play in a game unless you sign them to
- 1:09:25Speaker 2: the fifty three man roster.
- 1:09:26Speaker 1: So not to yeah, sidetrack you, But Brandon Aubrey just
- 1:09:31Speaker 1: made a sixty four yard field goal. Oh there's a flag,
- 1:09:34Speaker 1: But there's a flag on So sixty four would tie
- 1:09:36Speaker 1: for the second longest field goal in NFL history because
- 1:09:39Speaker 1: I think Tucker made a sixty six yarder within the
- 1:09:43Speaker 1: last year or two. Anyways, we're distracted.
- 1:09:46Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jake mcquad, he's on the practice squad. He
- 1:09:48Speaker 2: can be called up, I think by rule one more
- 1:09:51Speaker 2: time here this week against the Bears, and after that,
- 1:09:55Speaker 2: even if Depaula was healthy, he can't come back because
- 1:10:00Speaker 2: he's on IR in that same YEP minimum four games.
- 1:10:03Speaker 2: And I don't know, I haven't heard anything about de
- 1:10:06Speaker 2: Paula if he's gonna be oh man that we're distracted
- 1:10:11Speaker 2: by this. This penalty on the kick, the personal foul
- 1:10:13Speaker 2: against the Cowboys. So it looks like, yeah, the Cowboys
- 1:10:17Speaker 2: kicked a sixty four yard kick and made it, but
- 1:10:21Speaker 2: there was a personal foul. I thought they were singing
- 1:10:24Speaker 2: on the Texans, which gave the Cowboys a first down
- 1:10:28Speaker 2: and took off the three points for that kick. Oh
- 1:10:31Speaker 2: is it roughing the kicker running into the kicker something?
- 1:10:34Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 1:10:35Speaker 2: This is outdated information by the time it's hit in
- 1:10:38Speaker 2: your years anyways. Oh, it's it's going over the long
- 1:10:42Speaker 2: snapper as we're talking about a long snapper too. But yeah,
- 1:10:47Speaker 2: the Vikings will have to figure something out against who's
- 1:10:51Speaker 2: the game after the Bears for the Vikings, Yeah, we
- 1:10:56Speaker 2: already talked about this.
- 1:10:59Speaker 1: The Cardinal So for the.
- 1:11:00Speaker 2: Cardinals, the Vikings will either need to sign Jake McQuaid
- 1:11:06Speaker 2: to the fifty three man roster and cut somebody else,
- 1:11:09Speaker 2: or keep McQuaid on the practice squad and sign a
- 1:11:13Speaker 2: different practice or a different long snapper and cut somebody else,
- 1:11:17Speaker 2: or just cut McQuaid from the practice squad, sign a
- 1:11:21Speaker 2: different long snapper to the practice squad and then they
- 1:11:23Speaker 2: could elevate that guy. So there's some interesting things to
- 1:11:27Speaker 2: long snapper wise, or to see.
- 1:11:28Speaker 1: If there's a guy on the roster that can fill
- 1:11:31Speaker 1: the gap until DePaul is ready to come back. Against
- 1:11:35Speaker 1: the Falcons, it would be the following week. Yeah, so
- 1:11:38Speaker 1: all that would depend on a few things. If DePaul
- 1:11:40Speaker 1: is ready to go for after those four games, and
- 1:11:44Speaker 1: then I guess that would be against the Falcons because
- 1:11:47Speaker 1: if he's ready to go, then you just cut McQuaid,
- 1:11:49Speaker 1: you sign a different guy that.
- 1:11:50Speaker 2: You can elevate for one week and you just roll
- 1:11:52Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how that works.
- 1:11:56Speaker 2: But yeah, his game ball, he's your special team's game ball.
- 1:11:59Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean especially I guess I didn't even
- 1:12:02Speaker 1: really know all of the practice squad INDs and outs
- 1:12:05Speaker 1: that you just very succinctly described it. It doesn't matter
- 1:12:10Speaker 1: for the game. Well, but I didn't know that, and
- 1:12:13Speaker 1: that's that's good information. So yeah, he gets my game
- 1:12:16Speaker 1: ball for more than one reason now, because I mean
- 1:12:20Speaker 1: he's literally going week to week. Yeah, my job is
- 1:12:23Speaker 1: week to week and I could be cut at any moment.
- 1:12:26Speaker 1: Oh there was a near interception there, yep. Anyways, yeah,
- 1:12:30Speaker 1: game balls. I think we can map that up. Let's
- 1:12:33Speaker 1: move on to the Bears, all right. Playing the Bears
- 1:12:36Speaker 1: at Soldier Field in week twelve, the day after my birthday. Interesting, well,
- 1:12:41Speaker 1: happy early birthday. So yeah, Chicago almost beat the Packers.
- 1:12:46Speaker 1: They were they were a blocked field goal away from
- 1:12:50Speaker 1: beating the Packers, which I mean, on paper, the Packers
- 1:12:53Speaker 1: should be way better than the Chicago Bears. Right now,
- 1:12:57Speaker 1: today's Monday, the eighteenth of November. It's late in the day,
- 1:13:03Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have been surprised if I woke up
- 1:13:06Speaker 1: at some point today and saw that the Bears had
- 1:13:10Speaker 1: fired Matt and Matt Eberflus. I think Brian Eberfleu.
- 1:13:15Speaker 2: Brian, Oh, we need to look this up because I'm
- 1:13:17Speaker 2: pretty confident I could be wrong too.
- 1:13:20Speaker 1: I don't know it's Matt.
- 1:13:22Speaker 2: Brian's is eel twin, but I wouldn't have been surprised
- 1:13:27Speaker 2: if he reflu got fired today. Friend of the show, Forrest,
- 1:13:32Speaker 2: who will be on maybe potentially next week or the
- 1:13:35Speaker 2: week after, we need to verify that with him. He's
- 1:13:38Speaker 2: a Bears fan. A friend of the show, Forrest told
- 1:13:41Speaker 2: me a few weeks ago that the Bears don't typically
- 1:13:44Speaker 2: fire coaches in the season, So even if they've already
- 1:13:48Speaker 2: decided like, yeah, this isn't gonna work Everfluce is out,
- 1:13:51Speaker 2: maybe they just would keep rolling with him through the season.
- 1:13:55Speaker 2: I don't know, but I wouldn't have been shocked if
- 1:13:57Speaker 2: he had been fired this morning. He wasn't, which means
- 1:14:01Speaker 2: he might still be fighting for his ever loving life
- 1:14:05Speaker 2: against the Vikings. And when you have nothing lose, you're
- 1:14:08Speaker 2: the most scary.
- 1:14:10Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know.
- 1:14:11Speaker 2: The Vikings are currently favored. At least they were earlier
- 1:14:14Speaker 2: in the day by three and a half points, which
- 1:14:16Speaker 2: is not a ton but to be the away team
- 1:14:19Speaker 2: and still be favored, that's pretty nice. And the Vikings
- 1:14:23Speaker 2: have a bad habit of letting other teams kind of
- 1:14:26Speaker 2: stay in the game, so hopefully they don't let that
- 1:14:28Speaker 2: bury them. But yeah, all decent storylines to keep track of.
- 1:14:32Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think some keys to victory. Sam
- 1:14:37Speaker 1: Darnold's got to stay away from those turnovers. Yeah, And
- 1:14:41Speaker 1: I think we were all kind of like, oh no,
- 1:14:43Speaker 1: here we go again with that kind of faux pa
- 1:14:46Speaker 1: pitch oh yeah to Aaron Jones at the beginning of
- 1:14:49Speaker 1: this Titans game. And fortunately, and I think Dustin Baker
- 1:14:54Speaker 1: tweeted about this, it didn't really mess the game up
- 1:14:57Speaker 1: too much. It really wasn't that detrimental. And I even
- 1:15:01Speaker 1: texted you and I'm like, well, there we go. The
- 1:15:03Speaker 1: game's over, and he said, I we'll forget about that
- 1:15:06Speaker 1: fumbled by the game, And I didn't forget about it,
- 1:15:10Speaker 1: but it didn't really matter at the end of the game,
- 1:15:12Speaker 1: and that's a good thing. So hopefully we can say
- 1:15:16Speaker 1: the same thing about this Bears game. Hopefully there aren't
- 1:15:19Speaker 1: any turnovers, and if they are, they're kind of inconsequential, Like, well,
- 1:15:23Speaker 1: it was fine, it ended up not being a big
- 1:15:25Speaker 1: deal and Vikings win, hopefully.
- 1:15:29Speaker 2: My key to victory. I guess this is specifically for
- 1:15:33Speaker 2: this game, but definitely for the rest of the season
- 1:15:36Speaker 2: here on out because we're looking at playoff push now.
- 1:15:39Speaker 2: They can't waste opportunities. They can't have the huge forty
- 1:15:44Speaker 2: five fifty yard bomb to Jalen Naylor that just goes
- 1:15:47Speaker 2: straight through his arms because he doesn't go figure an
- 1:15:50Speaker 2: NFL wide receiver doesn't know how to catch a football.
- 1:15:53Speaker 2: They can't have like they did against I think it
- 1:15:55Speaker 2: was the Jaguars. They had that third and one and
- 1:15:57Speaker 2: they tried to get cute and pass.
- 1:15:59Speaker 1: It ended up.
- 1:16:00Speaker 2: Taking like a seven eight nine yard sack and that
- 1:16:03Speaker 2: was hard to watch. Had to settle for a field goal. Like,
- 1:16:05Speaker 2: they just can't waste opportunities to lock down a game,
- 1:16:11Speaker 2: and against a Bears team that is on the verge
- 1:16:14Speaker 2: of firing everybody.
- 1:16:15Speaker 1: Maybe they've already.
- 1:16:16Speaker 2: Made that decision in house, they just haven't done it yet.
- 1:16:19Speaker 2: You just you have to beat the Bears. If you
- 1:16:22Speaker 2: don't beat the Bears, you don't have any point of
- 1:16:24Speaker 2: trying to make the playoffs because you're not gonna do
- 1:16:26Speaker 2: anything anyways.
- 1:16:27Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the defense needs to really keep the
- 1:16:32Speaker 1: pedal to the metal too. Oh yeah, I think this
- 1:16:35Speaker 1: game against the Titans was kind of a wake up
- 1:16:38Speaker 1: call for that secondary should be. I think the secondary
- 1:16:43Speaker 1: had been playing well enough up to the Titans game
- 1:16:46Speaker 1: that everybody was like, oh, no, they're fine, they're good.
- 1:16:48Speaker 1: And then again, I think there were some flaws, some
- 1:16:51Speaker 1: holes exposed in that secondary against the Titans, and that
- 1:16:56Speaker 1: needs to be fixed. And you've got Caleb Williams, You've
- 1:17:00Speaker 1: got rom Adunzie. You've got some weapons on that Bears team,
- 1:17:04Speaker 1: and if you let them, they'll make some big plays
- 1:17:07Speaker 1: on you. They're not the worst team in football. They're
- 1:17:11Speaker 1: not the best team in football either, but they're certainly
- 1:17:13Speaker 1: not the worst team in football. And they've proven that
- 1:17:16Speaker 1: they can win games and they can move the ball.
- 1:17:18Speaker 1: So it's it's going to take all three levels of defense,
- 1:17:21Speaker 1: the line, the linebackers, and the secondary to put a
- 1:17:25Speaker 1: stop to that. And I think Brian Flores too needs
- 1:17:28Speaker 1: to really put the pedal to the medal and kind
- 1:17:32Speaker 1: of go unhinged, almost like you said, you know, if
- 1:17:35Speaker 1: you don't beat the Bears, then what are you doing?
- 1:17:38Speaker 1: He was quoted saying this last week, Well, if the
- 1:17:40Speaker 1: opportunities right, I'd be interested in being a head coach. Again. Well,
- 1:17:45Speaker 1: if that's what you want, then start auditioning now.
- 1:17:47Speaker 2: And maybe he's auditioning for a Bears head coaching Jeb,
- 1:17:50Speaker 2: how that.
- 1:17:53Speaker 1: Would stink, But I would understand, I would get it.
- 1:17:57Speaker 2: You are right, though, The Bears have shown that they
- 1:18:01Speaker 2: can beat teams, and Caleb Williams was drafted first overall
- 1:18:06Speaker 2: for a reason. He was touted as the best prospect
- 1:18:09Speaker 2: since Trevor Lawrence for reason. The Bears are not an
- 1:18:12Speaker 2: automatic beat, but the Vikings should beat them on paper.
- 1:18:17Speaker 2: They're better than the Bears in every aspect of the game.
- 1:18:20Speaker 2: They absolutely should. It would be a gut wrenching game
- 1:18:25Speaker 2: if the Bears beat the Vikings. It would I would
- 1:18:28Speaker 2: almost say, burn it all down. It doesn't matter anyways.
- 1:18:30Speaker 1: But you're kind of a hot and cold thing.
- 1:18:33Speaker 2: I very much, am. But here's my official prediction. I
- 1:18:38Speaker 2: think the Vikings they're going to beat the Bears, but
- 1:18:41Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a battle because the Vikings
- 1:18:44Speaker 2: apparently can't play games that aren't battles, whether it's against
- 1:18:47Speaker 2: the best team or the worst team. I think they're
- 1:18:50Speaker 2: gonna beat the Bears by four points, twenty eight to
- 1:18:53Speaker 2: twenty four. And I think the Vikings get up to
- 1:18:56Speaker 2: a decent lead and then coast and let the Bears
- 1:18:59Speaker 2: come back, and eventually they tighten it up to win
- 1:19:02Speaker 2: the game.
- 1:19:03Speaker 1: So I did not enter my prediction. That's fine. You've
- 1:19:08Speaker 1: been formulating your opinion.
- 1:19:10Speaker 2: Over the course of the last hour, and I have.
- 1:19:13Speaker 1: I've come to a conclusion. Are you ready?
- 1:19:18Speaker 2: Are you gonna? I'm ready, I'm ready.
- 1:19:20Speaker 1: I don't think the Vikings struggle with the Bears. I
- 1:19:26Speaker 1: really don't. In fact, I think, are you gonna do it?
- 1:19:32Speaker 2: Are you gonna say the score that you made fun
- 1:19:34Speaker 2: of me?
- 1:19:34Speaker 3: No? No, I'm not.
- 1:19:36Speaker 1: It might be close, but I did want to get
- 1:19:40Speaker 1: a reaction. Yeah, No, that was which I did.
- 1:19:42Speaker 4: That's great.
- 1:19:43Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Vikings thirty five to seven. Okay, okay,
- 1:19:47Speaker 1: that'd be a beatdown.
- 1:19:48Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:19:49Speaker 1: I think the defense comes out and plays really well.
- 1:19:52Speaker 1: They hold him the one touchdown. I think that one
- 1:19:54Speaker 1: touchdown happens right away, and I think that's enough for
- 1:19:58Speaker 1: Brian Flores to go back to the guy on the
- 1:20:00Speaker 1: bench and say that can't happen again. Yeah, we're not
- 1:20:02Speaker 1: doing this again. And I think Kevin O'Connell gets it
- 1:20:04Speaker 1: figured out. On offense. I think Justin Jefferson has a
- 1:20:07Speaker 1: big day. I think Sam Darnold has a pretty decent day.
- 1:20:11Speaker 1: I don't think there are any turnovers. I'm just gonna
- 1:20:13Speaker 1: say it, thirty five to seven Vikings win over there.
- 1:20:17Speaker 2: I'm just gonna look up really quick the weather forecast.
- 1:20:23Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be like cold and rainy, which isn't
- 1:20:26Speaker 1: going to be good for the Vikings at all as
- 1:20:28Speaker 1: of right now.
- 1:20:30Speaker 2: Says that the forecast in Chicago, because it's at Chicago,
- 1:20:35Speaker 2: right at Chicago, it's a noon game at noon, should
- 1:20:39Speaker 2: be about forty ish degrees with a one percent chance
- 1:20:43Speaker 2: of rain.
- 1:20:44Speaker 1: All right, so cold, but probably not what technically.
- 1:20:49Speaker 2: I would say perfect football weather.
- 1:20:50Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
- 1:20:52Speaker 2: So so it's not like we're saying, oh, a downpour
- 1:20:54Speaker 2: that's going to totally change the game, or you know,
- 1:20:57Speaker 2: anything like that.
- 1:20:58Speaker 1: I think this game kind of in contrary to what
- 1:21:01Speaker 1: you've been saying. I don't think the Vikings stooped to
- 1:21:03Speaker 1: the Bears level. Honestly, I think this is this could
- 1:21:08Speaker 1: be the game that gets eber Flues fired. It'd be
- 1:21:11Speaker 1: awesome to be sitting here next week saying, well, that
- 1:21:15Speaker 1: happened fired.
- 1:21:16Speaker 2: I tweeted two or three weeks ago that the Vikings
- 1:21:19Speaker 2: next three games they could get three coaches fired the Colts.
- 1:21:22Speaker 2: They didn't get that Colts coach fired, to which I'm
- 1:21:25Speaker 2: not rooting for firings, it's just you know, that would
- 1:21:27Speaker 2: be a storyline, Shane Stichen is that the Colts coach.
- 1:21:31Speaker 2: He's still there, and then Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson, he's
- 1:21:35Speaker 2: still there, although I'm kind of surprised, well after.
- 1:21:38Speaker 1: The beatdown they took with the Lions. Yeah, but that
- 1:21:42Speaker 1: could still happen after this recording, so we'll see technically.
- 1:21:46Speaker 2: And then yeah, Everflus, I mean, I still I think
- 1:21:49Speaker 2: Forrest has a good point there. I don't think the
- 1:21:52Speaker 2: Bears typically fire their coach in season, so yeah, maybe
- 1:21:56Speaker 2: the decision has already been made, But yeah, I don't.
- 1:22:00Speaker 1: I don't know that it'll happen. I wouldn't be shocked
- 1:22:02Speaker 1: either way, though. Well, we'll have plenty to talk about.
- 1:22:06Speaker 3: We always do. Yep.
- 1:22:07Speaker 1: Next week.
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- 1:24:48Speaker 2: all right. All right man, Well this has been a
- 1:24:50Speaker 2: great episode. Great Vikings win. I can't wait to watch
- 1:24:53Speaker 2: the Vikings beat down on the Bears according to you.
- 1:24:56Speaker 2: And maybe I don't know how Purple Punishments works next week,
- 1:24:59Speaker 2: but keep iye out for that.
- 1:25:02Speaker 1: Here you go, we'll appreviate it really quick. You have
- 1:25:05Speaker 1: them winning, I have them winning. So if the Vikings win,
- 1:25:09Speaker 1: no wheel. If the Vikings lose, both of us in
- 1:25:12Speaker 1: the wheel.
- 1:25:13Speaker 2: All right man, great episode.
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