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Spencer Hall on Deion Sanders' crazy comments, Lane Kiffin trolls, Bruce Pearl retires from Auburn | 09.24 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: 6 and the Shutdown Fullcast podcast. He is the best writer,
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  Speaker 1: and America's greatest college football writer. I forgot my phrasing,
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  Speaker 1: but now we're going to take it to, like, I
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  Speaker 1: think that makes it fancier when you say America's best blank, right,
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  Speaker 1: rather than the best blank in America. Like, it has
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  Speaker 1: more of a vibe of national treasure. So, national treasure spencer.
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  Speaker 2: Hall that's always appreciated bo thank you do you have
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  Speaker 2: a middle name oh yeah yeah yeah it's a good
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  Speaker 2: one edward.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say um i'm not sure anybody like
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  Speaker 1: i keep saying right now that man that's in charge
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  Speaker 1: of the fbi nobody looks less like their job than
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  Speaker 1: he does i think if i told somebody that like
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  Speaker 1: spencer edward hall was pulling up i don't think I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that they're thinking it's about to be you.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. It's a very... It sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a dormitory, first of all. There is that.
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  Speaker 1: There is.
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  Speaker 2: Additionally, I sound like some sort of paleontologist. Which, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe. Maybe if I'm coming in from the field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I could see that. It is my dad's name. So
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  Speaker 2: the idea... And it never, it's always a middle name.
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  Speaker 2: And I love having a middle name that you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to use. There's no temptation. Cause you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're a kid, you're like, well, am I Spencer? Am
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  Speaker 2: I not? It was never, it was like, I'm not bad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be this, right? Give your kid a,
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  Speaker 2: give your kid a name that is a ship they
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  Speaker 2: have to burn on the shores of their first name, right?
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  Speaker 2: Give your kid a name where you go, well, that's
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  Speaker 2: definitely not me, right? Make sure it's totally different than
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  Speaker 2: the first one. So they have a clear choice.
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  Speaker 1: Or, or, or in my case, number two, just make
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  Speaker 1: the middle name, a bit more African and syllabic than
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  Speaker 1: the first name.
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  Speaker 2: Which way are we going? The shorter direction. We always
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  Speaker 2: choose the shorter direction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm taking you on a voyage over here
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  Speaker 1: as Bomani Babatunde Jones. And I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: know this, but there is a Wikipedia page of famous Babatundes.
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  Speaker 2: And I am, in fact, on the page. You better be.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there.
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  Speaker 1: It requires me to explain to people that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: actually Nigerian, but I am.
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  Speaker 2: I am there.
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  Speaker 1: I am on the page of Nigerians who have a
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine who is Nigerian, who made the point
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  Speaker 1: once that she says Nigerians are the most exceptional people
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  Speaker 1: in the world, whether we are talking about things good
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  Speaker 1: or bad.
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  Speaker 2: That is her argument.
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  Speaker 1: And that is my segue into talking about a very
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  Speaker 1: exceptional man whose name is Dion Sanders.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is interesting. Now that.
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  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders are not there, and this
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  Speaker 1: thing isn't really new. I find we're not talking about
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  Speaker 1: Deion as much, though truly I think that as a
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  Speaker 1: football story, it now becomes more interesting. Like, how do
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  Speaker 1: you do this now that you don't have one of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest college football players of all time on your team, right?
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  Speaker 1: But he's also now the father of the backup quarterback
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  Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Browns. He went on the New Heights podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and the story got out last week in advance of
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens game that the Ravens wanted to take Shador
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  Speaker 1: out But he didn't want to go somewhere where he
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  Speaker 1: would sit on the bench. Now, first of all, I
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  Speaker 1: was not happy with that story being reported because I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of like I was feeling like Rick James, like, motherfucker,
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  Speaker 1: that was weeks ago. Like we had gotten out of
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  Speaker 1: we had gotten out of this story and everything else.
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  Speaker 1: But then we got here and I was able to
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, maybe it wasn't the conspiracy you rockheads
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  Speaker 1: thought that it was.
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  Speaker 2: But either way.
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  Speaker 1: I found the logic to be so preposterous because the
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  Speaker 1: last thing that boy needed to be doing right now
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  Speaker 1: was playing NFL football.
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  Speaker 2: Exposure, get you exposed, right?
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  Speaker 1: He needed to be like, take to Rod Taylor, for example,
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  Speaker 1: who was drafted by the Ravens in the sixth round
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  Speaker 1: coming out of Virginia tech. And he was a better
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  Speaker 1: college quarterback. This is George Sanders, just to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: He sat for years until he turned out. He was
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  Speaker 1: actually good enough. And then became a pro bowl quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Who's had a very long career and made a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of money.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Um, Dion was on the New Heights podcast talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to give you this exact quote because
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  Speaker 1: it is such a Dion quote. And Dion says about
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  Speaker 1: sitting on the bench. Why in the world would I
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  Speaker 1: go back up Lamar for 10 more years? I've never
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  Speaker 1: sat on the bench and said, quote, well, I learned
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  Speaker 1: a lot today. Number one, he wouldn't be there for
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  Speaker 1: 10 years behind Lamar. But number two, what the hell
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  Speaker 1: is Dion said to sat on no bench?
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  Speaker 2: This is why you don't learn from a genius. Don't ever– don't.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ask– like Reggie White may be the greatest defender
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  Speaker 2: of all time. I don't know. I definitely call him
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  Speaker 2: like he's a top three defensive lineman of all time
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  Speaker 2: and maybe two. I don't know. He's one of one
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  Speaker 2: is the point. And he had a move called hump.
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  Speaker 2: And if you've ever seen the hump, I can just
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  Speaker 2: describe it. He threw you. He threw you with one arm.
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  Speaker 2: You ever watch Rasslin? They call it the hip toss.
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  Speaker 2: It is the hip toss. Right. But on the run,
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  Speaker 2: on the run with a 300 pound man every time. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And he could do it. He was asked to teach
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  Speaker 2: everyone how to do the hump. And he taught them
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  Speaker 2: in the way that he could, which was to show
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  Speaker 2: them and go do that. This is why bad athletes
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  Speaker 2: make great coaches. This is why mediocre athletes make great coaches.
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  Speaker 2: This is why great athletes do not often make great
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  Speaker 2: coaches because they 98 to 99% of y'all can't do
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  Speaker 2: the hump.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the story about when Ted Williams,
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  Speaker 1: in line with this, was the manager of the Washington Senators?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Ted as a manager was like, go be me. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But they had a part where they had a, it's
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  Speaker 1: free traded where these two coaches got into an argument
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  Speaker 1: damn near fist fight about how to handle a rundown,
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  Speaker 1: the hot box, right? And one of them was like,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just throwing the names out there. One was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I learned how to run the hot box with Miller Huggins.
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  Speaker 1: And the other one's like, I learned how to run
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  Speaker 1: it from John McGraw and asked Ted to be the tiebreaker.
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  Speaker 1: And he just looked at him and said, ah, fuck it,
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  Speaker 1: let's go hit. Like these, these, these things that you
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  Speaker 1: discuss are not like, maybe your coach could be Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 1: except the problem is Tom Brady, such a maniac that
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  Speaker 1: he can't like understand and appreciate regular struggle. So my
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  Speaker 1: advisor in graduate school is a gentleman named Sandy Darity.
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  Speaker 2: Sandy's probably the most brilliant man I've ever met.
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  Speaker 1: I was having some struggles with motivation that kind of
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  Speaker 1: sort of proved to be my ultimate undoing, but these
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  Speaker 1: were the early seeds of the issue. And I asked
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  Speaker 1: him if he had ever had that situation. He said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I've had two days, maybe three where I didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like working. But then I got right back at it.
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  Speaker 2: And I was just like, ugh.
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  Speaker 1: There's only so much advice you can give me. You
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  Speaker 1: can give me guidance.
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  Speaker 2: There's one thing here, and it's that any form of,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to watch your kids struggle. I will try
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  Speaker 2: to look at this as charitably as possible. It is
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  Speaker 2: difficult to watch your kids struggle. And if you are
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  Speaker 2: in a position of power, it's difficult to watch them
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  Speaker 2: struggle in a career. Therefore, as a person of power,
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  Speaker 2: you might charitably want to help them at every single opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: That is the most charitable reading of this, okay? Don't
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, we're just trying to push their kids forward. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: some of them are. Some of them are just craving opportunists, right?
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  Speaker 2: And trying to manifest power through power relationships. Some of
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  Speaker 2: them are doing that, okay? But I'm trying to be
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  Speaker 2: nice here. I'm trying to just be like, hey, hard
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  Speaker 2: to watch your kids struggle. Maybe you're gonna wanna give
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  Speaker 2: them every single advantage you can give them, even perhaps
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  Speaker 2: unfair or unhelpful ones. I think that happens sometimes. to
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  Speaker 2: children of coaches, to children of athletes, where they will
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  Speaker 2: put them several steps ahead of what they are capable of,
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  Speaker 2: anticipating that they are as good as they were. Which
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  Speaker 2: on two levels is not true here, because one, Shadur
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  Speaker 2: is not as gifted an athlete as Deion Sanders. That
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  Speaker 2: is no slight to Shadur, because Deion Sanders is a freak,
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  Speaker 2: a mutant, a once-in-a-generation type athlete. The dude played two
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  Speaker 2: sports professionally previously.
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  Speaker 1: Well, by the way, like one all-time great and the
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  Speaker 1: other one, he played well.
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  Speaker 2: By demand, not as a stunt, right? That's like the
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  Speaker 2: market bore Deion Sanders on two levels in a professional sport.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane. Second is this. It's a different position, right?
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  Speaker 2: You can teach somebody how to be a pro, but
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  Speaker 2: can you teach them how to be a pro when
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  Speaker 2: you didn't even have the same set of rules as
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  Speaker 2: everyone else as a pro? As a pro, didn't have
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  Speaker 2: them in college. Didn't have to abide by the same
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  Speaker 2: rules as everyone in college, right? That's how talented you were.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't have to abide by the same set of
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  Speaker 2: rules as a pro in football where you got to
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  Speaker 2: play two sports, where your assignment was go be Deion.
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  Speaker 2: Go get that guy. Do you think a DB's coach
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  Speaker 2: ever told him shit? That's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: Really? What hint does somebody give Deion Sanders?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that was good. Good job. Good job. Way to
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  Speaker 2: make a pick that nobody else can make and return
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  Speaker 2: it 99 yards for a TD. That's... Hold on, Spencer.
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  Speaker 1: Spencer, I'm going to read to you the second sentence
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  Speaker 1: of Dion's bio on his Florida State Seminoles webpage, because
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  Speaker 1: he has one. I guess it's for being a Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Famer or whatever. This is the second sentence. As
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  Speaker 1: a freshman, primetime started at cornerback... played outfield on the
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  Speaker 1: baseball team, which finished fifth in the nation, and led
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  Speaker 1: the track team to its 10th conference championship. He won
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  Speaker 1: the conference in the 100, and he walked in the
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  Speaker 1: door starting, which brings me back to the question. Before
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  Speaker 1: Deion came back with the Ravens when he was 37
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  Speaker 1: years old to play quarterback in the NFL and I
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  Speaker 1: believe scored a touchdown in that comeback move when has
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  Speaker 1: Deion Sanders ever sat on a bench in any sport whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: When has he sat on a bench?
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  Speaker 2: That hasn't happened. It hasn't. It hasn't. And that's not
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  Speaker 2: Shadur's fault. Like, we can't... Here's the other thing, okay?
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't sat on a bench. Shadur's going to. Sitting
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  Speaker 2: on the bench correlates with performance at some of the
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  Speaker 2: highest levels in the NFL ever. at quarterback this is
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  Speaker 2: a position this is another thing that gets me because
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  Speaker 2: i'm not saying cornerback isn't without its intricate technique it
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  Speaker 2: is dominique foxworth if you are listening to me i
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  Speaker 2: hear you i understand it's a hard position with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of nuance okay it is not as complex as
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  Speaker 2: playing quarterback because everything a cornerback does is taken into
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  Speaker 2: account in the position of learning quarterback right a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: more than anyone else on the field except for you
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  Speaker 2: know maybe your middle linebacker or strong safety making calls
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  Speaker 2: whoever your call maker is has to understand not just
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  Speaker 2: your job, but what everyone else on the field is
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  Speaker 2: doing all at the same time. It's subsumed in that
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  Speaker 2: job description. It's more complex. Sitting on the bench was
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  Speaker 2: good for Patrick Mahomes. Yes. Right? Sitting on the bench
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  Speaker 2: was great for Steve Young. Sitting on the bench was
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  Speaker 2: great for Aaron Rodgers. If you are putting yourself on
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  Speaker 2: a tier, career-wise, development-wise, on a curve ahead of those guys,
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  Speaker 2: it is terrible. time to revisit reality it.
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  Speaker 1: Is yeah that's one of the great ironies of deon
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  Speaker 1: sanders is when he does and does not remember that
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  Speaker 1: the rest of us are not like him right because
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  Speaker 1: it feels like 99 of the time he is omnipresently
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  Speaker 1: aware of the fact that he is deon sanders and
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  Speaker 1: we are not right yeah then these weird moments where
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  Speaker 1: he seems to think, hey, I did it this way,
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  Speaker 1: and so can you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, Jeff Pearlman, in his book about.
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  Speaker 1: The Cowboys, had a thing that said, Switzerland was the coach,
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  Speaker 1: and Dion was there. And it was one of the
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  Speaker 1: issues with having Dion there was Dion would practice with
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  Speaker 1: no shoulder pads because Dion had no intention of tackling anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And to be honest, it's Dion checking people on the
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  Speaker 1: scout team. There were not going to be any tackles.
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  Speaker 1: But then he's like, now other dudes want to get
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  Speaker 1: out here and not practice with shoulder pads.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like.
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  Speaker 2: He's this is you're not him yeah this is this
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  Speaker 2: is like uh this is like the story uh pardon
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  Speaker 2: me i can't remember the nfl player um i think
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  Speaker 2: it was it may have been london fletcher who uh
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  Speaker 2: touched up larry fitzgerald in a practice at arizona and
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  Speaker 2: immediately had like 5 000 people yelling at him like
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  Speaker 2: don't touch the money don't he's like it's practice what
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  Speaker 2: we're hitting like i'm gonna hit the guy and they're
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  Speaker 2: like you don't hit that.
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  Speaker 1: Guy i have this But you made the right point
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  Speaker 1: there that sitting clearly has been helpful for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people. I think it's easier to ruin a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: by playing them too early than it is to ruin
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  Speaker 1: anybody else. The idea, you can throw just about anybody
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  Speaker 1: else into the deep end and then eventually they're going
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  Speaker 1: to learn how to swim. This isn't how this goes
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  Speaker 1: over here. You throw them in the deep end and
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  Speaker 1: ask them to do math at.
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  Speaker 2: The same time.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit too much to ask of somebody.
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  Speaker 2: So for him.
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  Speaker 1: Playing behind Lamar Jackson. And look, also, I applaud him
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  Speaker 1: for having larger ambitions. And this is not Deion's NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Where Deion talked about sitting behind Lamar Jackson for 10 years. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that never happens anymore. But you could be Gary Kubiak,
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  Speaker 1: who worked with John Elway every day of his life
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  Speaker 1: for something like 18 years, went from his backup to
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  Speaker 1: his coach, right? And he stayed there the whole way.
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  Speaker 1: That used to be a thing. It doesn't work that
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  Speaker 1: way anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You sit back there, and then your agent toss you up,
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  Speaker 2: and then somebody gives you a job. Friend, come closer, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Chase Daniel. That's the dream. Chase Daniel, $ 37 million as
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  Speaker 2: of last year in total earnings, okay? More than almost
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  Speaker 2: anyone listening to this will earn in their lifetimes. He
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  Speaker 2: got that money for backing up people. That's it. He
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  Speaker 2: got that money as a backup. And not just for
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  Speaker 2: being a backup. People like to be around him. Like
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  Speaker 2: he charmed his, he changed the whole backup market. Be
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  Speaker 2: a vibe. Frankly, from what I have seen, should our
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  Speaker 2: Sanders be very unlikable at times? I've seen him be
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  Speaker 2: perfectly charming, right? He's no Shiloh. Okay. If you want
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  Speaker 2: the real presence on social media, Shiloh Sanders. But, But
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  Speaker 2: the two can be perfectly charming and likable, very likable
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  Speaker 2: at times. Be a vibe, be the backup guy. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you'll get your opportunity because if it hasn't become apparent
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  Speaker 2: to you at this point, you don't get special rules.
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  Speaker 2: You don't, right? You may have as a result of, again,
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  Speaker 2: being charitable here, a father only wanting the best for
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  Speaker 2: his son. However, that's done. That's done, right? Play the
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  Speaker 2: hand as well as you can and understand, The man
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  Speaker 2: right now that most people regard as not just the
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  Speaker 2: best quarterback alive, but maybe ever sat behind Alex Smith. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he did. He started. Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 1: And let me tell you this about being a vibe.
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  Speaker 1: This is the thing I learned when I was doing
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  Speaker 1: game theory. I may have talked about this in a
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: different context, but some of you are new here. When
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I was starting to do the show for HBO, I forget.
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  Speaker 1: I hit Neil Brennan up for something, right? Like I
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  Speaker 1: forget what kind of help I know him through.
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  Speaker 2: It's my voice twin. Yes. Yes. Neil Brennan.
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  Speaker 1: Also, by the way, it was funny when I was
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: in Morocco, Morocco has a lot of like, they had
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  Speaker 1: like four or five different models of faces. It was
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the DJ Khaled. I saw the French Montana. I saw
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the Colin Kaepernick. They had a few of those and
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: a surprising number of Neil Brennan's on the road.
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  Speaker 2: I could see it. Right. They were there. But Neil
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  Speaker 2: hit me back out of nowhere. And, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you've ever met.
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  Speaker 1: Neil, talk about a ray of fucking sunshine. No, that's
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  Speaker 1: not Neil's vibe. Neil says to me on the text,
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  Speaker 1: so what have you learned about your persona at ESPN
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  Speaker 1: to take into this job, which felt very to the point,
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  Speaker 1: unsolicited and a.
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  Speaker 2: Tad pointed, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, he said, look, man,
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  Speaker 1: you've got writer face, just like I've got writer face,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: which is, I thought that was not an unfair assessment. Like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I think if you catch me in a setting like this,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: it's not like that before what he was talking about.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: It was a fair assessment, but he said something to
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: me that I'll never forget is he said, 80% of.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: The job is being in a good mood, right?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: And I realized that for anybody that is front facing,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: part of why these studios and these record companies and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: all these places go through so much spoiling and pampering
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: that ultimately can turn toxic is not just the idea
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of like flattering somebody's ego.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: It is, it is best for the production. If the
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: star is in a good mood, right. It really, really matters.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: And that takes us back to being the backup quarterback vibes, man.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: If you keep our guy in a good mood, it
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: will make everything else better. That is why James Winston
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: might stay in.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: The league for ever. Oh, this is, by the way,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's one of the reasons the Bills are
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: so successful right now because Josh Allen, as the starter,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Captain Vibes, right? He's in the videos. He's on the TikToks.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: They've loved him since day one. Yeah, he is. That vibe,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: that golden retriever vibe has kept that team on balance
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: when performance maybe wasn't matching the attitude and yet wrote
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: it out, right? So it's not just... Listen, vibes aren't
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: just for the backup, right? Starter brings that as well, right?
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: The big galoot.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: That's what we call them around here these days is
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the big galoot. Everybody's happy when the big galoot shows up. Like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: when you think about it, everybody in your life you've
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: ever thought of who was a big galoot, doesn't it
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: put a smile.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: On your face? Listen, a happy person will put a
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: smile on your face. A bigger happy person puts a
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: bigger smile on your face. It's a barometer, right? It's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: like when a big man cries. If a big man
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: cries at the athletic banquet... Look around, okay? Like if
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: you're at a high school and the big coach goes,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just so proud of this offensive guard, Tim. You've
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: been such an inspiration. Everybody's going to start crying. Why?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Because maybe they're afraid of getting beaten up. Maybe there's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: a situation hundreds of thousands of years ago where big
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: man starts crying around the fire and they're like, yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: he's going to get mad. You should cry with him.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: It's evolutionary psychology. No, that's what it is.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: But that was my thought when I saw that with Shadur,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: what D.I.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Was saying. I was just like, oh, God, that's why
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: he's getting such bad advice.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: He has no idea what to do.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Go find a successful mentor who was mediocre when they started.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: That's the person you want to talk to because they've
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: been through more stuff and overcome more stuff and had
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to learn more shortcuts, hacks, and learn the playbook more
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: than you ever will. This is correct.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: By the way, I want to tell you guys about
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: something fun that's happening in college football. Now, there's a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: big game, Georgia-Alabama. We're going to talk to Al Duncan
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: about that a little later in the week, so I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: want to leave a little meat on the bones. for
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that one but there's a story that is a very
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: 2025 story a very internet-ish sort of story and I
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: admit one that leaves me inclined to do a great
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: deal of speculation about people whom I've never met and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that is that Ole Miss is playing against LSU this.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Week, right?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I understand that we all believe that Lane Kiffin is
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: doing a very good job at Ole Miss. I think
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that while that is probably the case, this is also
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a bit of a function of getting rid of divisions,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: which thereby changes up who you play.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Beating the team is just supposed to be. Okay, cool. Anyway, somehow.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: lane has become a guy that people like while still
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: being the jerk that he was when people didn't like him.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Like we've, I think the commitment.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: To the bit is just so strong and college football
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: appreciates characters. Well, lane has a daughter named Landry. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: this week she chose to announce to the world that
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: she is dating.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Wit weeks, wit weeks, wit weeks.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Um, who is not some sort of actor or country
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: music star or scion to a cotton fortune. He is
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the middle linebacker for LSU. She hard launched this the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: week of the LSU game. And I can only take
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: from that, that she.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Feels about her father the way that I do. I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: going to give you a little background on their relationship
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: on Landry and lanes. And I based this on my
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: exclusive research. for following Lane Kiffin's Instagram. Which you are
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: fascinated by, just so people understand. Just so you understand,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: If you want to do a 45-minute show on what
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: goes on on Lane Kiffin's Instagram, Spencer, you and Holly
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: can do it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. The OG of this, by the way, is
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Katie Shook, longtime follower in the EDSBS community and internet presence,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: who was like, listen, no man is more internet pilled.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: No man is more Instagram. If you want to see
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: a dude, but an Instagram mom, but a fitness influencer,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: but a guy. It's lame. He just also happens to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: be the coach at Ole Miss. He's doing hot yoga.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He's posting so much inspo. He's posting so many inspirational
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: quotes throughout the day, right? There's a lot of things like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: they'll post this gibberish quote that's like, you won't know
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: love until somebody loves you and then doesn't know you,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: but then you know love, and then you let that go,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and then that makes you That makes you whole. And
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: then he'll just repost that with, yes, and an emoji.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Like that's, he's doing the good stuff, man. This is
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the unleaded, perfect, pure, inspirational internet. And it's all on
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin's Instagram. And what you need to know is
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: he refers to Landry as him, right? Like he says
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that Landry is the child most similar to him. They
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: get on each other's nerves.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And they enjoy antagonizing each other. So I want you
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to know, okay? Yes, we're discussing the daughter of a coach,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: but I am doing this as a character study because
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I think that given that framing that I understand, okay,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: this is her fucking with her dad. This is her
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: messing with dad. And I respect it deeply. If this
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: is her trying to irritate dad, which from what I understand,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: they have that kind of relationship as being very similar
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and yet lovingly antagonistic. I approve. This is good. So
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: there are two things.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: One, I had completely ignored the possibility that if Lane
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Kiffin is your dad, you might be like Lane Kiffin.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You're half. It's half.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I had not given nearly enough credence to the idea
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that that man is multiplying this. I also need to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: know how much of this he got from his dad,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: who seems completely unlike his son in any way that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I can think about. I just can't. This is what
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: happens when you spend your life in the office. You
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: come back and you're like, whose kid is this?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's mine? Well, let's consider this. It might be mom.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Mom Kiffin might have been the troll, right? That's true.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Mom Kiffin might have been the wild card here, right?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I think this. Anyone who has a daughter. I don't.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I have sons, okay? Entirely different thing in terms of
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: emotional relationship with boys. You're like, are you on fire?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And they're like, no. And you're like, okay, we're good.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: We're good, right? From what I understand, the father-daughter relationship
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: can be a complex emotional chess game played with live explosives, right?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I understand that the emotional warfare that can be waged
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: by a daughter against her hapless loving father can be
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: on a level I don't understand, right? This to me,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that's that. And it shows me the strategic brain, the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: play-calling brain, it's been passed down a generation. What I'm saying,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: get her a playbook. get her a playbook, get her
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: on that film study, have her running some charts, have
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: her pad, have her pad the game, come back and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: be like, release times are so slow. I think we
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: got three sacks in the bag in the first half.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Just think about it. Think about it. This shows a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: strategic cunning that I think is not only inherited, but developable.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I will also note that Lane Kiffin told someone on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Twitter about this game in the context of what I've
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: just discussed.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Take the over. okay lane was going to take that
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: lane was going to do that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Anyway they was going to do that anyway but i
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: will also note laid is in a very interesting territory
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in this game where it is not but so many
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: places where he is the favorite in the likability index
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: uh between he and the other coach who look Yes.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to look.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time since the Declan Sullivan thing happened,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: but it did in fact happen. I'm not forgetting that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it happened. I just am at the point where I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: can't bring it up all the time. There are other
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: reasons to dislike Brian Kelly that don't get all the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: way to wind and somebody falling off of a platform.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: He is the only coach I can ever think of
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: where being impossible to like is the defining characteristic. Like
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: when he got the job at LSU, my only question was, Ooh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to like him.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because no one does. Yeah. Brian Kelly gets away
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: with that because he's good at his job and he's honest.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So he does walk into a place and say, the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: last guy got fired because of you guys. And that's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: not going to be me. That's it. Approaching it as
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: job one and being good at his job has kept
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: him employed at LSU. I'll be it in the max.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Like he is at that point where here's winning and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: everyone being happy and here's winning and everyone being unhappy.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And he manages to ride just high enough to not
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: get in any real legitimate positions. trouble it also helps
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that several major teams in the sec happen to be
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: floundering or suffering succession issues at the same time so
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: he can kind of skate on that he can kind
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of ride low um also the talent level in louisiana
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: is so high that if he just does his job
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: recruiting it's never going to fall too far off that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: but the likability thing that's what's going to sink you
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: nobody wants you around although i think we've shown that
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: at lsu likability will not save you likability is You
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: could be the most charismatic, likable coach possible, and they
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: will get rid of you after a national title. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: will say this, though.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Les, who was very likable, he rode out five straight
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: losses to Bama before he lost his job, right? Ozeron,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it just got to be a little unbecoming and embarrassing
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to the people. Like, it wasn't just the losing. You know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it's the, you know, use of practice to highlight the ladies.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: People are going to see this, Bo, and there are
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: things I want to say right now that I can't.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I know. That I can't. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hi, y'all.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: When this is all over, we're going to have a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: fascinating series of contradictory stories to tell you is what
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say. We have so much. We have
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: But this is what makes the college football entertaining is
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: these things.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It is a, if.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You like a little mess with your sport, nobody's beating
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: college football.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Nope nope absolutely nobody's beating college football we like like
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: we just did all of that by the way and
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: we're not discussing the fact that like Hugh Freeze is
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in the league Hugh Freeze is in the league and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: he might be about to go on a four game
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: losing streak at Auburn just throwing that firecracker in the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: room and shutting the door just seeing what.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Happens yes Hugh Freeze The man who got into the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: SEC by riding.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Michael lower to Ole Miss.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: When you really think about it, man, he has parlayed
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a couple of good breaks and lost his job because
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: they found out he was calling escorts on recruiting trips.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Went to a religious school.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. To rehabilitate his image and then made it back
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to the big time.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yep. And one might say that he hit it
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: in the rough, but he managed to pitch out. He did. Nicely.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: He did. And then managed to save par and made
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it to the next hole, right? He did. Just for
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: no reason am I mentioning golf there.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But now, I mean, it felt like the game was
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: cheating him last week.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, he caught some bad lies.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Caught some bad lies. He did catch some bad lies,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and he got a bogey. But you know what? It's
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: on to the next hole. Golfer has no memory. We
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: got to go ahead and take it to the next one.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: All they have to do, by the way, is beat
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: A & M, Missouri, and Georgia in succession to get
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: through this stretch of the schedule. Good luck. Good luck.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And coming up next, we will talk about another Auburn coach. Well,
• 29:16
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• 30:26
  Speaker 2: we are back with Spencer Hall.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Bruce Pearl did the college basketball thing where the coach
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: quits a couple weeks before the season starts because that's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: his way of getting the successor that he wants to have.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: There's a wide range of people who have been known
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: for doing this. Tony Bennett just did it very recently.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Dean Smith resigned at a very similar time to get
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: his guy Bill Guthridge the job back in 1997.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: And now.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Bruce Pearl has done this to give the job to
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: his son that it doesn't sound like people think are
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: qualified for it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, what makes you think he's not qualified for it?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Well, what makes me think he is? That's the better question.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: He's coached at Auburn. His last name's Pearl, right? My favorite.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I woke up thinking about this, actually. That's how I
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: know it's a season. I was like, I woke up
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: thinking about sports. I love the notion that like, well,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: he's a coach's son and he's been raised and he's
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: been taught this thing from birth. Treating it like people
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: treat like making wine, right? Like he was raised in
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the vineyards of basketball. He saw his father pay a
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: coach under the table, right? He saw the technique that
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: you use to slide the envelope. He saw the way
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: that you don't snitch on other coaches even when they're
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: doing crazy things. He saw how to lie to a
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: mother to get a commit to come to your school
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and then immediately renege on that agreement and then then
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: somehow managed to keep him on campus. You can only
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: learn that by being at the foot of the master.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That's bullshit. It's just a lie. Why are you going
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: to kneecap young Steven Pearl's career, which there are plenty
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of coaches' sons who end up being good coaches. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: think we've seen that's true. Why are you going to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: kneecap his career by putting him in a spot where
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: he's going to fail? And probably a job he's getting
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a little too early. Getting a little too early. put
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: it in a bad position because you can't turn it down. Right.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: How could you, like, if you're Steven Pearl, how can
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you turn that down? Right. How can you turn that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: down and say, well, I don't want this financial stability. Right.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I don't want this opportunity. No, you'll take it. Right.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: By the way, he signed up to a long deal.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: He did five years. Yeah. Not a three-year deal. Signed
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: up to a five-year deal. Right. How can you turn
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: that down? Why are you going to put me in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: that position where I can't possibly turn down a situation?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that I might not be ready for. You know, that's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the thing about nepotism is that it not only corrupts
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the careers of people who don't get those opportunities outside
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the profession, and it hoards opportunity and economic resources from
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: potentially talented candidates who qualify and have worked hard and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: have done, have checked all the boxes and have lived,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you know, like the GA life where they're living off
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, rice and beans and, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: sleeping in someone's closet for three years. just to become
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: an assistant on a job because they don't have the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: financial backing that, say, a coach's son would have. You're
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: taking away potential opportunities to learn and develop from the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: kids themselves by giving them that opportunity. It's a poison
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: of privilege. It's one that anyone would accept if you
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: don't have that privilege, but it's nonetheless toxic. That's the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: crazy thing to me about nepotism.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: We also need to put together a list of the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: other coach's sons.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Like they only talk about coach's sons when it seems
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: like a thing. But nobody, nobody ever calls Antonio Brown
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: a coach's son. We just talked about another one. Nobody
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: ever calls Lane Kiffin a coach's son.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And basketball.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Marshall Henderson, but nobody
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: ever calls him a coach's son. These are all coach's sons.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Right. Like that's like coach's son and preacher's kid. It's
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: kind of the same, the same space. Yeah. And it
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: is a targeted insult. If somebody uses it in the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: right context, people who are coaches, sons who are in
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that position, who have absolutely delivered, made sure by being
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the absolute best at it, right? Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to me is, you know, somebody who had that privilege,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: who obviously worked their ends, who studied under his dad. Okay.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: In a system where again, maybe you're like, he definitely
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: didn't deserve that shot. However, everything that he's done since
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: is delivered on that. I think he's the exception to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the rule. But if you're going to be that exception,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: you have to be two, three times better than you
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: were going to be anyway. It's in order to dodge
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that charge. Now, I have to say this about Bruce Pearl.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: He is probably my least favorite college basketball coach of all.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Time in a world with Mike Krzyzewski in it. Who
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: was the Scott, is it Scott Drew? Scott Drew. Oh, yeah. Scott. Oh, well, okay.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So hold on. Dave Bliss. Dave Bliss. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It's Dave Bliss. Okay.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing with Dave Bliss. I have judgment
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of the things that Dave Bliss did, obviously. And he
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: rankles me strictly for the things that he... damn this
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: is tricky okay dave bliss is like his own category
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: right he like lt he like jim brown he like
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: jerry rice right yeah yeah we gotta it's not even
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: it's not even like there's no room for us to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: have a conversation it's like the way we talk about
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: with kobe scored 81 because we'll score in 100 just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like come on we can't even we can't even have
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that discussion right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Like where where do i put this dot on the
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: graph it goes off the.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Paper yes So, like, I don't know how many people
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: know the story of Bruce Pearl and Deion Thomas at Illinois,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: but the log of the story is Bruce Pearl was
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: an assistant at Iowa and he was recruiting Deion Thomas,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: who was from Chicago. He did not get Deion Thomas.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: He tried to get Deion Thomas on the phone and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to entrap him into saying that Illinois paid him and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: then took the tape to go snitch to the NCAA,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: which was the reason that Pearl wound up in the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: hinterlands of college basketball because nobody hates a snitch. More
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: than the people in basketball. And to the end, Bruce
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Pearl swore up and down that he was the guy
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: who did the right thing. And that's why he don't
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: feel bad. And then he ultimately lost his job at
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Tennessee because he got caught cheating in a much different way.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: That was fairly benign, except he told everybody who was
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in on the little bit of cheating to lie to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the NCAA in the course of it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: He I can't think of anybody emptier. Then Pearl, he's
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a good basketball coach. There's no way around that part.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But he just just seemed like the guy that'll say
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: whatever it is that needed to be said at a
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: given point in time. And it all felt so phony.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And then the last couple of years, he decided to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: show us just how real he was. And I liked
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that even worse.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: There's not a lot to like. It's not just that
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: he has an incoherent set of politics. It's that they're
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: personally repellent to me. I also, if you saw the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: announcement photo that they did, it's pretty much everything you
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: don't want in a society. It's passing down this position
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of some power and of some like serious value, right?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: You're going to make a lot of money. You're going
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: to make an astronomical amount of money relative to the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: average person as the basketball coach in Auburn. And it
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was this photo that looks like something out of succession.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It looks like, you know, here I'm handing it off
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: like Stephen sitting in the chair and Bruce is standing
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: behind him. And I was like, are we passing down
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: basketball values? like coaching gigs, like sinecures, like titles, like
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: this is the fifth Earl of Auburn. We don't do that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: We killed people over that in a war. Yeah. Like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: you know, and one, you know, people get their heads
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: chopped off for that. Like I, that's, that's repellent to
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: me that we would do it that way that you
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: would do it this early, like, like with this late
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in the cycle, like that's, that is also, I'm, I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: dreading this. Bruce Pearl now has more time to be
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Bruce Pearl and do Bruce Pearl things than And boy,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you're really not going to like where that goes.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: He's going to be on his phone a lot. And
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the podcast is coming.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: The podcast is coming. I bet I know where it'll
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: be hosted. I bet I know. Hey, listen, we need
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a subject expert on tariffs. Let's get Bruce Pearl, former
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: basketball coach at Auburn, to talk about this they'll be like.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think he makes a lot of sense no he
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't well hold on you he might not that you
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: mentioned it he may want he might wind up with
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a seat.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: On the fed board of governors you know what qualification
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: is knowing somebody now right how do you get a
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: basketball coaching gig i don't know my dad had it
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: now i have it what a great way to run
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: things I wasn't mad about this when we started talking,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: but fuck this. No, there's more and more. No, I
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're bleeping, but fuck this.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: My favorite thing, one of my favorite things about you
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: is I can tell when you're mad, but it's not
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: because your voice has changed.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: But it is still very clear that the anger has
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: showed up to the chat yeah i start closing my
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: eyes yeah now i'm mad.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Hey i got a college football topic that i think
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: will make you happy Did you ever think that you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: live long enough to see not just the top 25
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: battle involving Illinois and Indiana, but Indiana scoring 63 points
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and acting like they've been there before.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: The Hoosiers coming like the Mongol horde over the mountains.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: This is amazing. Run. Get out of the way. It's Indiana. Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Destroying people, breaking their will. Bane with the backbreaker.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: How? And I guess part of this is now there's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: so much Big Ten money that everybody can get a
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: taste of it that, no, that doesn't even explain this.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I got nothing for this. No, look at some of
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: their impact players. Some of their biggest impact players over
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the past two years have been JMU transfers.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, and when he says JMU, he means James Madison University.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Do you know who was inspiring the fear
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: of God in Illinois' defense and was absolutely lacing it
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: against Illinois? That's right, the menace, Fernando Mendoza from Cal.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Get out of the way, it's Fernando Mendoza. But for real,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: this is an example of somebody who, if you are
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: in your 40s or 50s and you're like, I don't
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: know if it's going to happen for me. Kurt Cignetti
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: is your hero. Kurt is just rounding the horn at 60.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Do you know who the scariest man in college football is?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: That's right. Genghis Kurt. Yeah, they're terrifying. They're destroying people.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: It is amazing. And by the way, they have an
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator named Mike Shanahan.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Who is not related to Mike Shanahan. That's up there
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: with Devin Hester Jr. at Furman, who is not Devin
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Hester's son.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And Bo Jackson, who's not related to Bo Jackson, but
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: whose real name is Lamar Jackson. Bo's just a nickname. Yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: this is a theme this year. Right. This is also
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: proof that, by the way, the portal is awesome. I
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: want I have no patience for people who go read
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the portal. Rudy called football. No, it's allowed Indiana to
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: become a menace. Right. It's allowed Syracuse to beat Clemson.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So two things can be true. It was right. Because
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: one of them is I do kind of hate the portal.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But the irony of it is I thought that all
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Indiana would be was a farm team.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Like Indiana would build up players and then they just
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: go other places.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: But I am no longer so sure of that. No, no, no.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Not the farm. That's the restaurant, baby. They're serving steaks.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Come get some beef. Catch it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I can't believe like I was like, look, I'm not
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: really going to watch this game. And I didn't really
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: watch the game, but I didn't have to watch the score.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And I was like it did every now and then
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: you look up.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: So a couple of years ago when Elko was at Duke,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: The reason Elko's coaching at Texas A & M, it
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't really have much to do to me with whatever
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: record Duke had when Elko was there. If you look
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: at that team, it looks like a real live power
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: for football team.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: It didn't look like a smart school team. Like they
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: look big. They were hitting people.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: If you can play big boy football and play big
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: boy football is not just winning at big levels. It
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: is playing like it sounds like big boy football at Indiana.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. at indiana and and doing so by the way
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: luke altmeyer got sacked seven times in that game if
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you think like oh man maybe they're just running a
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: go-go offense maybe they're just running some kind of microwave
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: offense where they score 60 points against bad teams illinois
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: is not a bad team and they sacked luke altmeyer
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: seven times they beat the crap out of that boy
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: there there were people i remember thinking this during the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: game and being like i have never said this sentence
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: before in my life it was You should get Luke
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Altmaier out of there before Indiana hurts him. When has
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: anyone ever said that in the course of college football? Never.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Kurt Cignetti is amazing. Amazing. People are like, oh, man,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Florida should go get Kurt Cignetti. What makes you think
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: we can? What makes you think we can afford that?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Because whatever that is, no one can afford that. Indiana
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: is going to back up the truck for him, plus some.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I want to switch gears in a similar vein. We
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: don't know how good this team actually is because the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: team it beat is.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Clearly not that good.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: But Syracuse beat the Brakes off of Clemson. They have
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a coach named Fran Brown. And for those of you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: who are unfamiliar with Fran Brown, on one level, he
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: pulled a clown move when they didn't win a game
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: by enough on his take and he had them run
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: sprints in front of everybody. That move did not go
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: over very well with people. Clearly, he didn't lose the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: team because they went out there and beat the dog
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: shit out of Clemson. He is also the gentleman who
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: said that when he loses, he doesn't take a shower
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: because only winners deserve to wash. And I found out
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that he was married to a black woman when he
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: said that his wife wasn't really trying to hear that
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: shit because I wasn't really sure. At first, my thought
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: was if you would do something like that, you would
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: not marry to a black woman. But then when she
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: said he can't come in the house after that, I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: realized that he was in fact that. And I throw
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: all that together to say, I can't think of too
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: often like, Black coaches very often have to like keep
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: everything on straight and narrow and everything else to hold
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: down the job. We don't get a lot of like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: this brand of weirdo getting to be the head coach.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a weirdo from Camden,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: New Jersey.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: That's right. His soul has seen rivers, ancient, dusky, bloody rivers.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: When there was the issue of tampering with recruits and
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: coming after people on the team, for their talent and
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: trying to prospect them to other teams. Fran Brown was
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: asked about how he deals with that. And his reply
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was something along the lines of, I'm not going to
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: say anything, but I'm going to say it to their
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: face because I ain't no bitch. The coach of a
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: college football team in 2025 in public on the record said,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I ain't no bitch, Bo. You're an 18 year old
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: athlete and you're wondering who to commit to. And the
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: coach said, I ain't no bitch. My decision is made.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I can buy a coat. Syracuse will be fine. Yeah. That's,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that's the kind of guy Fran Brown is Fran Brown.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: If you don't know that translates to the field. Sometimes
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: these guys are all talk after Syracuse scored their first
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: touchdown against Clemson. They line up for the kick and
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: they go for an onside after the game. Dabo said, well,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: you know, we told special teams, you know, hey, you
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: guys got to be on the lookout for the onside. No,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't. They were completely unsurprised. If you
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: would like DMX, but a coach. If you would like
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: somebody who is, yes, unhinged and does not wash until
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: they win because only winners get washed. Fran Brown is awesome.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And he's the kind of guy that, like, I love this.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Syracuse has nothing to lose. Nothing. They are an FBS
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: team that should make these hires and has to make
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: these hires. Prior to this, they hired Dino Bavers. who
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: at times Dino Babers was unhinged and was like very
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: enthusiastic and would try things and would be aggressive. Fran
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Brown is taking that even a step further in terms
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: of one, going to the portal. Like they've been very
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: aggressive with the portal and they've been very, very successful
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: last year. Best passer in college football by a lot
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of measures was Kyle McCord. Kyle McCord was an Ohio
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: State cast off Um, and jelly who just got injured.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Like it absolutely sucks because he played so well. He was, yeah,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: he was second in total yards. He was having a
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: fantastic year. Um, this is again, somebody who saw the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: modern environment, did not complain and immediately adapted. And in
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: addition to that, decided he could say, I ain't no
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: bitch on the record and make it a recruiting pitch.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And let me give you three of his, um, coaching OGs.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It is a very interesting range of influences. And I
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: will note my, these guys are like, at least a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: couple of them, good, like, there's three of them good coaches,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: but Matt Rule, who, look, Nebraska's a tricky job, man.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I watched Matt Rule win at Temple and Baylor. You're
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: not going to tell me that, man, it's not a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: good college football coach.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: That's a good coach. Yeah, that's a good college football coach.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: You're just not going to do it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Kirby Smart for a couple years at Georgia, and then
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: thrown in the middle, Greg Sciano, who seems like the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: ultimate place to learn what to and not to do.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I think the dude there that is probably most in, like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the guy that he's channeling most clearly is Kirby. Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Because if Kirby could speak in public the way that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: he wanted to, he would sound more like Fran Brown.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And I base this on overhearing the way Kirby talks
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: at practices, which is in a manner like to quote
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the man himself in a manner that everyone here can
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: clearly understand. Yes. That's he's an amazing communicator. And I
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: think Fran Brown is also an amazing communicator.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Also, we have to keep this in mind about Kirby smart,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Kirby smart, played in a DB room with, among others,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Champ Bailey on teams with guys like Richard Seymour, like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: our good buddy, George Foster, Robert Edwards, Jonas Jennings, Patrick Pass,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Hines Ward.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, Kirby, Kirby been around.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I don't like this idea of he has an invite
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: to the cookout. But Kirby has been to a cookout before.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Listen, Kirby speaks Georgia. Yes.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And Kirby is a Saban guy. And if anybody knows
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: how to speak all the languages while staying the same,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: it's Nick Saban.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Ahab. Yeah. All you need to do.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Ahab.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Who's the guy who can talk to every sailor on
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the boat, no matter where they're from. That's Nick Saban.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Kirby Smart is the same thing. I think Fran Brown
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: is the same thing, right? Fran Brown is like a
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: little more theatrical about it, obviously, as everyone running wind
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: sprints after games, et cetera. But that team plays their
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: ass off from top to bottom. So whatever he's doing
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: and however he's saying it works. And that's like, coaches
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: will get very academic about that. Talk about the need
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to communicate how it, You get something across. They understand
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: learning styles, and they understand how to get learning styles across.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And that is the very boring way of saying that
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: they can light a fire under your ass. They're very,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: very good at it. By the way, Kirby was described
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: by Champ Bailey, and these are his exact words, as
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: in the meeting room, an asshole. Which, by the way,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: my thinking is that Kirby's sitting in that room and
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: he goes, I'm about to go pro in something other
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: than football. You see Champ Bailey and you go.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: buddy well I don't know but keep in mind Kirby
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: got down to like the last cut like Kirby took
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: it to uh took it to the training camp with
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: the Colts.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah and Kirby was very productive as a member of
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the secondary like he was he was notably good as
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: a college football player but even with Champ Bailey in
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the room he was described as an asshole in case
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: you want to doubt whether a big attitude and a
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: set of nuts will get.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: You far yep my biggest Kirby criticism three lettuce.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Sigma Alpha Epsilon. Yeah. That's a decision. That's T-U-F-F tough.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: That's a decision.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: That's him and homeboy Hall of Famer Will Buschamp. Speaking
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: of stories. The Kappa Alpha order. That's another one.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, boys, boys, boys. At no point did you
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: try to reconcile any of these ideas. You know, we
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: were talking about incoherent politics. We could go a long
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: time on the incoherent politics of people in college football.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I would love to hear, hey, Will Muschamp, another former
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: college DB. That means he's got some cold switch in him,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and I would love to hear his attempts when he
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: does it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Volume. I think it's just volume. I think he's just yelling.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: From what I've seen, Will's just going to speak country
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and hope that you meet him at one end of
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: one poll of that or another. I think that's where
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: he is. Does... Kirby have a favorite Kilo Ali song.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess it's, I'm going to guess it's baby, baby. Right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's. Yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Or if you ever heard love in your mouth, he wasn't,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: he wasn't a frat, right. They tend to gravitate toward that. Right.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: So I had never thought about what kind of parties them, uh,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Sigma alpha Epsilon's have other than ones I wouldn't attend.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, they might have other ones. Can I ask
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: a question? Do you think Kirby Smart's ever hit a
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: body roll? That's all I want to know. No, no,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: he ain't got that Baker Mayfield in him. Okay, okay.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Will must champ. Listen, I think Will has some game,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: and this is just based on everyone who meets Will
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: likes him, and everyone who works with him likes him.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's interpersonal skills. Again, he was a vibe,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: and I think being a vibe will keep you in
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: the building longer wherever you are. So that's my question.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: One of the two of them, attending UGA in the 90s,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: has hit a body roll. It's one of the two
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: of them, and I'm not sure which one. Yes.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I want to hit us with one last thing before
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: we get out of here, because I keep seeing this headline,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and it is Oklahoma State's Gundy vows he's staying put.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And I just need to know why it is that
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: he thinks he has anything to do with that.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Is this like when you yell out to the SWAT
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: team that you have some demands before you exit the building? Like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: what are we talking about? You're done in this town. No,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: you're done, dude. Done.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Speaking of people, a person that people used to like,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: but then stopped liking.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Winning covers a lot of that. Winning will cover that
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: for a long, long time.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I think winning in this case built the asshole and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: then didn't stick around long enough to give the cover.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, COVID didn't help with that either. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: think in addition to that, the inability to adapt more
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: than anything else. We're talking about coaches who have made
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: the switch and understand how to swim in this new tide.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: He's not one of them. He is not one of
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: them at all. They were ridiculously late to the portal.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: They were really slow on NIL. Gundy was not big
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: on NIL from the jump. And by the way, you
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: want to talk about the dog who's biting cheeks in 2025.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: It's NIL. NIL has managed to slow down and or
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: possibly doom Dabo at Clemson. I think it's a slow process.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I think Dabo has shown that he can learn and
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: adapt better than I think people think he can. I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's entirely possible at the speed that
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: it needs to happen at this point at Clemson. But
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: whatever they're doing recruiting-wise, and it's not just the portal,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: by the way. It's like missing on skilled players and
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: the development of their offensive line and all this kind
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: of stuff. But whatever it is that needs to happen there,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: there's a greater chance of it happening at Clemson than
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: there is at Oklahoma State. Particularly because Oklahoma State's margin
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: of error is so much smaller. They have no real...
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Like they can't make a mistake and not feel it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: And they can't make 10 mistakes and not feel it hard.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what's happened there. They have a
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: difficult situation to begin with. They're essentially like if you're saying, well,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: what is Oklahoma State? They're Mississippi State. They are the
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: second school in a college football environment that has three
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: schools in state at least. Right. Depending on how you count,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: you know, others that all want to be good at football.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: and don't have enough population for it. So you have
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: to pull from other places. You have to develop. You
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: have to do all of that kind of stuff. You
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: have to take so many extra steps to be good
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: that if you miss out on a fundamental block at
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: this point, like NIL, and then you mess up in
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the portal, it's done. You're fried. And worse than the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss situation.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, Mississippi and college football is a documentary
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: all by itself. But Oklahoma has no reason to think
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: it should ever be good as a state. Except for
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that OU is like, we can be good
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: because we're close to Dallas.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: We're close to Dallas.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Tulsa, on the other hand, is close to Arkansas.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Which also has one too many football teams, right? Yes.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Like Arkansas State. What are you doing, man? Like, that's amazing.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I love that you even exist. That's a hard ask.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it would take.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: For you to get me to go to the other
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: school in Arkansas.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Even consider this. Okay, so the SEC came out with
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: new pods. They came out with their rotation for the year.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: They're going to go with this rotation of rivals, permanent
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: rivals until 2029. So this is only a four-year arrangement. Naturally,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: people are going to burn cars and riot about it,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: but everyone's given three rivals. They did what you should
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: do with Arkansas, okay? And what you should do with
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Arkansas is you should give them the states around them
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: so that you have these nice, continuous, contiguous rivalries, right?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: That's what you should do. That makes sense. Do you
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: know who Arkansas gets because of their situation? Oh, they
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: just get Missouri, Texas, and LSU. L-L-L. That's what you get.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Every year, you get three bricks to the face because
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: that's where you are. They can't change that. For the
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: next four years, that's who their permanent rival is. They are,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: to me, major conference East Carolinas. This is what I mean.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: East Carolina is a very interesting job. One, because it's
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: very close to the Tidewater area, which means it has
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: access to players that would surprise you, like some they
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: could get if they ever really got the ball rolling.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: But the truth is, what their.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Fans want is to play games against and to occasionally
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: beat teams that they should never.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Be better than. Right? Carolina... NC State. That's who they
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: want to play.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: That's who they want to beat with some understanding that
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: they can't do it all the time. Arkansas, Texas is
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: still their biggest rival and they played like four times
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: in the last 30 years. That's who they want to play.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: They want to play Texas A & M, but obviously
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that one has to slow down for a little bit. Oklahoma,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: there's never been like a historical rivalry there or whatever.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: But what is close for them is games they cannot
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: win or games that they should not win.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: That's what's in the neighborhood for them. Yeah. Play your neighbors.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Our neighbors are horrible. Yes. And they're very big and
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: very strong.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: All of them have some advantage that we simply do
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: not have. Like Missouri, for example, which has never been
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: able to really get that thing on the road, but
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: it is a state with two decent sized cities. Like
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: there are worlds in which things can come together and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: they can put together pretty good teams.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: That is a, listen, everyone sleeps on Missouri right now.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: That is including me for a long time, intentionally and unintentionally.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: That is a sleeper team. They are nasty. They have
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: a very mobile quarterback who has a problem. And they
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: have managed to say, hey, listen, we're going to occupy
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: our lane recruiting-wise, and we're going to make sure everyone's
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: paid and taken care of. And they have done a
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: very good job of roster building there on a level
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: that I don't think people really appreciate. Hire a nerd
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: as a coach, and you get nerd results. Nerds are organized.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Nerds get results. And that's what they've managed to do.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: And you can hire a nerd in Missouri.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: You can't get on that job at Texas A & M,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: but you can hire a nerd in Missouri.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, quietly, Texas A & M is the only
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: school in the SEC with an Ivy League head coach,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: by the way. That is Mike Elko graduated from Penn.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: That still counts. That's an Ivy League joke. He's out
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: here cosplaying then. Yeah. Oh, by the way, you mentioned Tidewater.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I have a player to hit you to before we
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: get too much further along. Brandon Hillman. Brandon Hillman of
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Michigan is a safety who really enjoys contact a lot.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: There's a shot of him getting ready to hit a
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: guy for Nebraska and he's smiling in his helmet before
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: he hits him. Like you can see his eyes lit
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: up and he gets real happy. He also got an
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: unsportsmanlike conduct penalty uh where he stood up in front
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: of the nebraska bench and did did this you can
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: see i'm podcast listeners i'm extending my fists up and
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: down my forearms up and down in front of my
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: face uh it did that in front of the entire
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: nebraska bench after a third down that they defended which
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: they did not defend because of his unsportsmanlike penalty brandon
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: hillman's awesome yeah and where is he from It's from Portsmouth, Virginia.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: That'll do it. Portsmouth VA, baby. That'll do it. Wow.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: We had so much college football that I can still
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: say plenty for Georgia.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Alabama with L.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: And then we will come back later this year to
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: do a wellness check on Kalen DeBoer. I mean, they
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: beat Georgia last year, which means there is a good
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: chance that this year they could lose by a million.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Gunner Stockton might be better than we think, Hill.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, and Ty Simpson, one of my good friends, Demetri,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: he's a big Alabama psych. He's like, okay, he's better
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: than I thought he was, but he's going to do
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: three whiskey tango Foxtrots per game.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Minimum, minimum. And you know who wants him to do those?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Kalen DeBoer. Y'all signed up for this. This is a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: mine cart ride. This is a, you're going to win
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: games 45-42, and you're not really going to like how
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: it happened.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Alabama has six more games against teams whom are currently ranked.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: and a game against South Carolina, which is a wild card.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: You never, your quarterback's not going to be better than theirs. No,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I would, I would say this for Kayla Nabor, that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: trip you make to the planes to close out the year,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you better go ahead and win that game.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: You should be playing a desperate man at that point.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Guess what? You're going to be playing a desperate man
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and you're going to be one too. That's you want
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the iron bowl to have real stakes. Okay. Okay. Ideally,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: what you want is number one versus number two in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: the iron bowl, two outstanding football teams. But if you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: can't get that, you know what you want? Two people
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: playing for their jobs. Yes. Eight and four versus six
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: and five. Oh baby.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: We got to actually for Alabama nine and three made
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: as well be five and seven.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Like they go to that bad boy, eight and three.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: yeah playing for your jobs and your personal safety who
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: can get out of the stadium.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Right i'm just trying to protect my windshield that's all
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: i'm concerned about i don't want nobody throwing a brick
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: through my.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Windshield um yeah you're gonna be saying like a good
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: neighbor after that you're gonna be calling state farm it's.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Gonna be some damage mayhem here right they'll be running
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: through all of it in fact if it gets a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: little too rough uh saving a problem gonna show up
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: in them blue jackets to tell you about the other
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: costs from your accident.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah if you see a talk if you see a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: duck walking toward you that's your friend that day walk
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: that way okay because that's safety behind you don't look.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I had not realized until this discussion just how much
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: advertising there is for insurance we ain't even get to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: talk about the emu yet i was probably like the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: emu ain't got into the college football game.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Yet no i like that they advertise during college football
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: because basically it's looking at me and going hey I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: bet you break a lot of stuff. And I'm like,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: shut up. Yeah, I bet. I bet you're totally forgotten
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: a hole in your house. And you're like, how'd you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: know about that? Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, man, that boy may him may
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: him get that may him money. And what I'm sure
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: are very nice residual checks for law and order SVU.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Mayhem out here quietly ball 30 rock he gets residuals
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: for 30 rock.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I did i did not know he was on 30
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: rock oh.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah dennis dennis gets some uh residuals from
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: 30 rock as well so like between him and flow
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: like like our our new barons we need if we
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: if we need new oligarchs let it be insurance spokesmen
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: they seem a lot more affable than the ones we
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: currently have.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Hey man let me tell you this is an off-air
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: discussion but that residual game is like slowly going away
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: but If the residual gain could be for others what
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: it's been for me, which has not been life-changing but
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: incredibly supplemental, imagine 20 years of SVU. And SVU's on
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: television all the time. And it's over-the-air residuals.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Over-the-air. Look, man, I just got a check.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: In the mail the other day for $ 150 for a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: disappearance I did on The Best Man like two, three
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: years ago. And it's for whoever is still streaming the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: best man trilogy or every was that came on. And
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I'm in that shit for a minute at most.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Now is that a hundred dollars, a lot of money? Obviously,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: of course it's not, but you just heard the way
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: that I described it.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: So every few months or so I'll get like two, $ 300, 150,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: whatever off of the best man.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Make your little jokes about iced tea, describing a drug
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: that he clearly does not understand all you like. Right.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: It's called chicken pox. Yeah. Like you go ahead and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: make those jokes. The residual checks that iced tea would
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: get make you weep.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: He has got to, I mean, that's gotta be a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: seven figure just laying in the cut.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Just, just, you know, his house, he's had that thing
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: paid for. Yes. Yeah. Like he can just now restock
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the snack machines that he has in his basement. Yes,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: he can.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: And then he'd be, you know, he'd do a murder
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: show for oxygen called In Ice Cold Blood. And whatever
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: that shit is, he'd be trying to sell me for
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: my car that I don't have.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, he's not Shaq, but quietly. He's a mogul.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Them residuals, them NCIS jokers, all of them, man. You
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: get you on a nice crime procedural.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to hook you know, the 17 year
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: olds on anything. I'm looking, are you 65? Right. Do
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: you sit in front of the TV a lot? Do
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: you have a credit card that you pull out too often?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I'm looking to talk to you. Yes. Do you want,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: we need more Matlock. Like this is the Matlock economy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: What you need are more procedurals aimed at 65 year
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: olds where they're like, Hey, a young person's committed a crime,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: but an old cop is going to find out about it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: I had never really thought about that dynamic, the old
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: people outsmarting the kids.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Dude, listen, you could sell that for the rest of eternity, right?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Who is he? He's an old guy or an old woman.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: What are they doing? Solving crimes. Angela Lansbury was like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: do you know what old people don't trust? Horny young people, right?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: It was always, oh, that lady's sleeping with that guy,
• 1:05:31
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