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OneLegUpAlex Media and Pags' Perspective on Beltran, Hall of Fame Weekend and Today's Pitchers 7-27-26 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, Ryan Pagano, we're shifting gears a little
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  Speaker 1: bit because we just about the Irish boycott of Israel
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  Speaker 1: and it is official, so I don't know where do
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  Speaker 1: they go from there, but let's twitch gears is something
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  Speaker 1: you and I love so much, which is baseball. And
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  Speaker 1: yesterday Carlos bout John went went in as a New
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  Speaker 1: York Met and I got the chance to meet him
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  Speaker 1: before at finax Fest before his induction to congratulate him,
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  Speaker 1: and you and Luke Terminello asked me the same question,
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  Speaker 1: is he the future Met manager? Well, you both weren't
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  Speaker 1: too far off because apparently, according to Mike Puma, he
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  Speaker 1: was approached by the Mets after the Mendoza firing to
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  Speaker 1: manage the rest of the year. He of course turns
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  Speaker 1: it down. He has the number retirement this upcoming September.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he made the right move turning
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  Speaker 1: it down. But it is interesting they asked him.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: Almost certainly is, especially because the fact that he was
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  Speaker 3: named manager of the Mets in the twenty nineteen twenty offseason.
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  Speaker 3: That's becoming so much more relevant now, especially with how
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  Speaker 3: much a disaster class that this season has been. And look,
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  Speaker 3: if you wanted me to do a deep dive Alex
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  Speaker 3: into literally every single thing that has gone wrong this season,
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  Speaker 3: we'd be here for like an hour, so I'll spare
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  Speaker 3: you from that. But what I'll say is this Beltron
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  Speaker 3: at the time of his first hiring in twenty nineteen twenty,
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  Speaker 3: he definitely looked like the right man for the job.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he was the clubhouse leader on the Astros
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  Speaker 3: team that would later cost him his shot, his earth
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  Speaker 3: first shot, I should say, to be the manager of
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  Speaker 3: the Mets for the twenty twenty season. But he seemed
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  Speaker 3: like he had the right approach and he was saying
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  Speaker 3: all the right things right before his unfortunate parting.
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  Speaker 1: Of ways, Now, I believe it was Jessica Mendoza that
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  Speaker 1: that dropped that bombshell that he was going to be
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  Speaker 1: the an embody Panda remember for that?
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  Speaker 2: Remember that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was most certainly something. Now it was
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  Speaker 3: Jessica Mendoza dropping that bombshell in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: I assume that's correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, oh yeah, And I mean that was just very
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  Speaker 3: unfortunate timing there, as Beltron, of course, being the only
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  Speaker 3: player mentioned in the Astro scandal and all that, but
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  Speaker 3: it's so much more relevant now that this firing is
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  Speaker 3: being talked about because now, and obviously you mentioned the
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  Speaker 3: Puma article Alex about Beltron being approached by the Mets
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  Speaker 3: to manage, and I would have absolutely loved to have
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  Speaker 3: seen it, But that's it. I can't blame him because
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons and pretty much the main reason
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  Speaker 3: actually that Beltron gave for not wanting to take over
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  Speaker 3: the Mets mid season. Now, of course, he is special
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  Speaker 3: advisor to the GM, so he's very much involved with
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  Speaker 3: the front office responsibilities and also a nice face to
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  Speaker 3: put out there for the fans in these trying times.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't fault him for that because one of
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  Speaker 3: the reasons he gave was his whole fame induction. Also
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  Speaker 3: with the number of retirement he's got a lot on
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  Speaker 3: his plate already this summer. And then you add on
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  Speaker 3: becoming the interim manager for what I would probably argue,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me,
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  Speaker 3: as the new worst team money could buy trying to
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  Speaker 3: save that sinking ship, it just would have been so
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  Speaker 3: much more to put on his plate on top of
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame induction on top of the number
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  Speaker 3: of retirement ceremony. Ironically, his jersey giveaway night is actually
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  Speaker 3: tonight at City Field, if you could believe that. Basically,
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  Speaker 3: this is the summer of Carlos Beltron already, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure he doesn't really need that much more to put
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  Speaker 3: on his already stacked plate. But with that being said,
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  Speaker 3: it isn't too far fetched to think that he could
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  Speaker 3: potentially be manager of the Mets in twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 3: and beyond, because what it seems like from this article,
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  Speaker 3: Alex he has not entirely ruled this out, especially knowing
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  Speaker 3: that Andy Green. It's more likely than not he's just
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  Speaker 3: gonna go back to his prior position for twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven and beyond, focusing more on the player development side
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  Speaker 3: of things. So they're gonna need somebody new. This is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a very skipper one way or not, this
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  Speaker 3: would be a.
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  Speaker 1: Very delicate question. But twenty years ago we all saw
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  Speaker 1: him look at that strike three, which is look, it's
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  Speaker 1: a very tough pitch to hit by win Ray.
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  Speaker 2: I give him that, I mean it was.
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  Speaker 1: It caught him frozen, you know, caught him looking literally
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  Speaker 1: he just stopped frozen tracks, but obviously a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that fans were not happy at that time. Let's say
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  Speaker 1: it becomes manager and wins the World Series. I guess
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  Speaker 1: that erases all that, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if he's.
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  Speaker 1: Looking for our way to raise that that's a way
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  Speaker 1: to do it.
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  Speaker 2: It most certainly is.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what, Alex, what a lot of Mets
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  Speaker 3: fans forget the fact that they made it all the
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  Speaker 3: way to the NLCS that year Game seven and were
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  Speaker 3: literally within three runs.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to the World Series.
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  Speaker 3: He is the big reason why they even made it
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  Speaker 3: to Game seven in the first place. And if not
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  Speaker 3: for that untimely strike three call in the bottom of
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  Speaker 3: the ninth, I mean, people would have been hailing Carlos
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  Speaker 3: Beltron as a hero. And that gets forgotten so much
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  Speaker 3: just because that one defining image of him looking at
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  Speaker 3: that one Adam Waynwright curveball is just all that anybody
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  Speaker 3: will remember the image I had that year. But let's
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  Speaker 3: not forget too. He torched the Cardinals the rest of
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  Speaker 3: that series. Homer in Game one, two homers in I
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  Speaker 3: believe it was Game four, And on top of the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he was torching Cardinal pitching just two years
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  Speaker 3: before that in the NLCS, where his Houston Astros of
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  Speaker 3: course made it to Game seven against the Cardinals. They
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  Speaker 3: fell a little bit short, but then again, they also
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  Speaker 3: didn't have a defining image of an Adam Waynwright curveball
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  Speaker 3: at that point. More so the defining image of a
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  Speaker 3: Scott Rowland homer down the left field line, and that
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  Speaker 3: I believe it was the sixth or seventh inning or
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  Speaker 3: something like that, middle of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, well, no, and I'll tell you what my
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  Speaker 1: image of Beltron is actually this. He and Delgado had
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  Speaker 1: a hell of a day in Game one of a
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  Speaker 1: Yankees Mets doubleheader Yankee Stadium. Either of them hit two
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  Speaker 1: homers that in the in that same game I think
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  Speaker 1: might be in Beltram. I mean, people forget he tore
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  Speaker 1: the cover off the ball even after two thousand and six.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he really did. I mean seven and oh wait
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  Speaker 3: were awesome for him. I mean maybe five could have
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  Speaker 3: gone way better for him. But that's also something that
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  Speaker 3: we talk about with pretty much any big name player
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  Speaker 3: struggling to get used to the bright lights in New
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  Speaker 3: York that they were just trying to get used to
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  Speaker 3: playing in New York City. Of all places, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you clearly saw that with Carlos Beltron's drop off from
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  Speaker 3: his four numbers going in five, but he's sure as
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  Speaker 3: hell rebounded in six, almost getting MVP consideration, And to
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  Speaker 3: be honest, if he had swung, we might be talking
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  Speaker 3: about him as the NLCS MVP in two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: He was that hot.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunate because when looking back at his playing career of
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  Speaker 3: retrospect Alex he's going to be one of the most
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  Speaker 3: underappreciated mets of all time, and a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: it shouldn't be that way, but a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: has to do with the strike three call and his
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  Speaker 3: inability to swing the bat just one time, which is,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion, kind of an unfair comparison because you
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  Speaker 3: know what, people would be saying the same stuff about
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  Speaker 3: David Wright had it been him in that situation. People
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  Speaker 3: would have been saying the same stuff about Jose Reyes,
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  Speaker 3: even Carlos Stolgato had they been in those spots right there.
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  Speaker 3: So in my opinion, it's just kind of an unfair comparison.
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  Speaker 1: To Okay Buckner. How the hell of a career, but
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  Speaker 1: he's defined by that one moment right, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean exactly, It's all anybody talks about, you know. Never
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  Speaker 3: mind the fact that he was one of the more
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  Speaker 3: underrated hitters of the seventies and eighties.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he was. And by the way, when they won,
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  Speaker 1: they did bring him back. I think the second time
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  Speaker 1: they won the World Series.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, after first pick O seven.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it was a weight opening day where they
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  Speaker 3: brought him back to throw the first pitch. And credit
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  Speaker 3: to the Red Sox fans, they forgave him. They forgave
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  Speaker 3: him for that error that prolonged the curse of the Bambino.
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  Speaker 3: And it goes to show if they win a World
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  Speaker 3: Series anytime soon, that the same thing very well could
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  Speaker 3: happen for Carlos Beltron. Hell I would even argue for
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  Speaker 3: Bobby Buniah, they might forgive him for potting the Mets
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  Speaker 3: out of a million dollars every time time.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't even do a breakdown of this Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame induction. Look, I like Andrew Jones in there. I think, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd say underrated career, but like
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't he was stand down in a way, but
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't entirely staying out like he did his work,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, He put his head down
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  Speaker 1: and did his work. You know, obviously was a met
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  Speaker 1: killer in some ways over the years. But man, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: I think this class was right on the money.
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  Speaker 2: No, most certainly was.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I was banging the table for Carlos Beltron
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  Speaker 3: to get inducted, and I was very much listening to
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  Speaker 3: the cases for Andrew Jones to get inducted into the
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame because a lot of people forget at
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  Speaker 3: least before his fall off with the Dodgers, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I hate to bring this up with the Yankees. Wasn't
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  Speaker 3: his brave self on the Yankees, but he was still
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  Speaker 3: a decent hitter for them at that point. But what
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  Speaker 3: people forget in his Braves days. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 3: a top three center fielder in the game in his prime,
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  Speaker 3: and he was just oh so consistent for at minimum
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  Speaker 3: a decade for all those Braves teams that just kept
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  Speaker 3: running hog wild over the rest of the NL East
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  Speaker 3: and all that. Andrew Jones was a big reason why.
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  Speaker 3: And then about Jeff Kent too, I mean, yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: could easily say his attitude problems were a big reason
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  Speaker 3: why he didn't get into the Hall of Fame much sooner.
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  Speaker 3: But to be honest, though, if Kent was leading his
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  Speaker 3: own team and not in the shadow of Barry Bonds
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  Speaker 3: in the two thousands, Yes, I know he won an
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  Speaker 3: NLMVP in two thousand, beating out Bonds, ironically, but had
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  Speaker 3: he had his own team to lead, he would have
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  Speaker 3: gotten into the Hall of Fame so much sooner.
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  Speaker 2: But it's Alex.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of it is because of the Bonds
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  Speaker 3: effect that because he was right behind the greatest home
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  Speaker 3: run hitter of all time, that the spotlight wasn't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: on him. But he deserves a lot of the credit
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  Speaker 3: for the Giants' success in the two thousands all the same,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he was the perfect clean up guy that
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  Speaker 3: opposing pitchers would absolutely fear if they were to intentionally
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  Speaker 3: walk Bonds just to get to Jeff Kent. And you
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  Speaker 3: know what, Jeff hit made them pay back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: He really did. And he was a scrappy second baseman
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  Speaker 1: was a scrappy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he just wasn't afraid either to stand up to everybody, hell,
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  Speaker 3: not even Bonds. He was never afraid to stand up
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  Speaker 3: to Barry Bonds and his inflated ego. And there's so
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  Speaker 3: many sports writers too that can tell you all the
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  Speaker 3: stories back he thrived the.
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers series against him all the time, I felt like, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was up for the challenge.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Braves team because we
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  Speaker 1: just and.
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  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate too that the Mets let Jeff can't go
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  Speaker 3: when they did. But that's a whole other thing.
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  Speaker 1: We just as a fan base, you know, as Major
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  Speaker 1: League fans and all that, lost Bobby Cox. And here's
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  Speaker 1: another of his proteges going to the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the list that's in the
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  Speaker 1: Hall on that nineties team. It keeps growing, Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: It just really does. And I mean Bobby Cox, may
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  Speaker 3: he rest in peace. And look, regardless of how Mets
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  Speaker 3: fans would feel about him and literally anybody else from
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  Speaker 3: the Braves and especially the late nineties and the early
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  Speaker 3: two thousands, I mean, there's no denying Alex he's one
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  Speaker 3: of the best managers of this generation, I would even
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  Speaker 3: argue of all time. And there's going to be no
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  Speaker 3: replacing that legacy right there. But you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 3: as a fan of a division rival, I'm very happy
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  Speaker 3: to see guys like Brian Snicker. Even what Weiss continuing
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  Speaker 3: that legacy in Atlanta that Bobby Cox had left is
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  Speaker 3: managing style and his success as a major league manager,
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  Speaker 3: definitely rubbing off on a lot of his other proto
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  Speaker 3: j Snicker, of course, winning a World Series with the
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  Speaker 3: Braves in twenty one lifelong Brave spent his entire career
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  Speaker 3: with the organization before retiring after last season. And then
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  Speaker 3: even Walt Weiss former player under Bobby Cox, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure if he was a coach.
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  Speaker 1: Under as a player, for sure, I think he.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if Weiss was on the team back then.
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  Speaker 3: He was on the Braves of course for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of those World Series runs in the late nineties and
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  Speaker 3: all that couple of the NLCS runs as well, but
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  Speaker 3: either way under a former player under Bobby Cox. And
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  Speaker 3: I know people a lot of people questioned the higher
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  Speaker 3: Walt Weiss before this season, especially knowing that he was
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  Speaker 3: not a good manager at all in Colorado. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's not really much of a denial about that. But
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  Speaker 3: then you also got to take into account he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: really working with that much talent in Colorado back then.
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta so much more talent at his disposal, and he's
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  Speaker 3: very familiar with the team already as it stands. So
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  Speaker 3: it's definitely not.
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  Speaker 1: Too far to see them this week, are you not right?
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  Speaker 3: Literally late in a couple hours actually, So I'll be
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  Speaker 3: looking forward as a Mets fan to seeing what Weiss
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  Speaker 3: and his band of former Met coaches just absolutely torch
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  Speaker 3: the worst team that money could buy. I will be
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  Speaker 3: very surprised if they win this one. But hey, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, Zach Thornton on the hill for the Mets tonight,
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  Speaker 3: and he's been doing pretty good for them in his
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  Speaker 3: debut season against the Dodgers. And I will joke around
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  Speaker 3: Alex the Zach Thornton that the Mets got in twenty
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  Speaker 3: fourteen from trading Ike Davis to the Pirates, Zach Thornton
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  Speaker 3: finally paying off different Zach Thornton, by the way, But
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  Speaker 3: I'll just pretend to.
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  Speaker 2: Make that joke.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you this, they looked okay against
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers. I know they got a Lott rocked, but
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  Speaker 1: they had some leads in those games.
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  Speaker 3: It was just I mean, listen, the fact that they
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  Speaker 3: did not get swept by the Dodgers. That is a
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  Speaker 3: big enough win as it stands, because I expected them
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  Speaker 3: to get creamed every single game and it would not
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  Speaker 3: have been far fetched at all. And who could blame
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  Speaker 3: any Mets fan for saying, oh, they're gonna get swept
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  Speaker 3: by the Dodgers. And that was the same thing in April.
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  Speaker 3: They got absolutely torched. I did not even watch a
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  Speaker 3: single pitch of that series because I knew that was
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  Speaker 3: going to be the outcome there. But you know what,
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  Speaker 3: credit to the Mets for waking up yesterday when it mattered.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, some of those guys are really
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  Speaker 3: showing their value at a perfect time. Just look at
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  Speaker 3: Tyrone Taylor, on an expiring contract, hits the three run
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  Speaker 3: homer to give the Mets the four to three lead
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  Speaker 3: at that point, and he's very much being mentioned right
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  Speaker 3: now as a trade candidate, and we may be talking
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  Speaker 3: about his last games as a Met before he could
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  Speaker 3: get dealt to a contender at the deadline. But you
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  Speaker 3: know what, Hey, he's showing his value where it matters
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  Speaker 3: the most. Same even for guys like Luis Robert having
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  Speaker 3: that three, having that blast on from night and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Ever since coming back from the aisle, he's been performing
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  Speaker 3: really well. I mean you could I would say the
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  Speaker 3: same about Freddy Peralta perhaps, but he's still been a
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  Speaker 3: little bit lackluster as of late. That being said, he's
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  Speaker 3: still gonna give you some good value on a return
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  Speaker 3: one way or another. And I'm sure David Stearns is
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  Speaker 3: going to be listening to calls not just about Peralta,
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  Speaker 3: but really a lot of these other guys on expiring deals.
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  Speaker 3: And that has been as sad as it is. The
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  Speaker 3: one thing to look forward to as a Mets fan.
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  Speaker 3: It's just the deadline and seeing which prospects that you
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  Speaker 3: could get back. And don't be surprised if it's a
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  Speaker 3: similar turn to twenty twenty three where they shipped off
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  Speaker 3: guys like Scherzer Verlander got some pretty good prospects back,
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  Speaker 3: and assuming they retained salary on a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: guys that they could get back some pretty good prospects
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  Speaker 3: in return.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe the Mets had a rotation with those
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  Speaker 1: two in it at the same time. It's just it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, it's kind of a fever dream in hindsight.
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  Speaker 1: If you ask me, I know you're going to riff
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  Speaker 1: on this on your own pod packs perspective.
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  Speaker 2: So oh, I definitely will.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of what I want to cover is just
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  Speaker 3: the guys who very much could be moved, uh before
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  Speaker 3: the trade deadline, of course on August third. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: of course I brought up Freddy Peralta, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: also talking a lot about guys like Brooks, Raley, aj Minter.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've even seen some people suggesting Lindor, but
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  Speaker 3: that's pie in the sky as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 3: If anything media talk, that's right exactly. And you know what,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to move Lindor. Yes, he
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: has not had a good season. A lot of that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: is also the fact that he just hasn't been healthy.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, a healthy Lindor, we'd be talking. We'd be
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: having an entirely different conversation.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: You would have the twenty four Lindor which hit that
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: home run against the.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Braves, exactly. And you know what, I don't understand, Alex.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Not to get sidetracked, but I'm totally gonna get sidetracked
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: here for just a second. I don't understand how these
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Mets fans are turning this quickly against Francisco Lindor. Look,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: these are the same people that quickly turned on him
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: in twenty one after he gave the thumbs down. But
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: yet they're the ones that conveniently will ignore the fact
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: that they took back Jose Reyes after beating his girl.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: And they sure as heck aren't talking about k Rod
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: beating his father in law inside a city field. But
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: yet Lindor giving a thumbs down to the fans is
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: the one that they tend to focus on. And then
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the same people turning on him this season for his
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: errors and not hitting in timely spots and all that
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: they're conveniently forgetting that Francisco Lindor was a big reason
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: for their last playoff appearance and I just don't understand
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that one bit at all. I mean, if anything, this
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: is the guy we should be sticking by, regardless of
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: his character concerns here and there.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: He was the reason why they got out that zero
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to five hole and ended up with that run in
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: twenty four, and we should never forget it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: And forget to Alex. The same people turning on him
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: now were banging the table at Steve Cohen to make
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: him captain captain last season, and now they want him gone.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Just make it make sense, all.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Right, Ryan, you're going tonight. But I'll tell you, the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Jones induction reminds me, and so does the belt Sean induction.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Remind me of the days when you weren't even born yet,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the nineties.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I mean that it's unfortunate.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I know that rivalry filled Shay Stadium every game, the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Grand Single, the Piazza Homer ten days after nine to eleven.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, all these moments against the Braves, and yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go to Cityfield tonight and a Braves Mets
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: matchup that should always be like a rivalry will maybe
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: have twenty thousand fans or less. It's said to me, Ryan.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: It's said.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: But it's also just the apathy that Mets fans have
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: right now at the direction of their team, especially at
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the front office. And I'd even argue at Steve Cohen,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: who probably I mean, I wouldn't personally count on him
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: doing that much to try to salvage whatever is left
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: of this season. And look, you could say what you
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: want about David Stearns and how everything has just fallen,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: tell and back for him. He's still one of the
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: more revere gms in the league right now, and regardless
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: of the fact that his only off season signing is
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: really his only off season move that he has hit on,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: has been Luke Weaver. Regardless of that, I still trust
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: him to do what he has to do and try
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: to get good value out of the guys that he
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: has right now and try to get some good prospects
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: back for his guys on expiring deals, because you know what,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, that is David Stearns's
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: bread and butter is the fact that he is able
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: to build a damn good farm system and find the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: right prospects for the right price. And that is solely
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: the reason I would argue why David Stearns has not
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: been fired, much to the dismay of a lot of
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Mets fans who definitely want to see him go after
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: this year. But it's the fact that he has built
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a top ten farm system right now, the Mets into
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: what top ten farm system, and it's not that long
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: ago that we were talking about them having one of
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the bottom ten farm system rankings. I believe it's not
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that far out, but the fact that they're top ten
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: right now, that's just enough for David Stearns's job to
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: be saved right now, but if anything, I'm willing to
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: give him one more shot. With all that being said,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of Mets fans are done with
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: him for letting go of Alonzo, and you know, no
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: faulting them for that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And look, Alex, I was one of the people.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Will leam go not even making an offer.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, not even making an offer. And look I
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: said it at the time. I could live with Peter
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Alonzo leaving, but that was also under the assumption that
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the offseason acquisitions would panned out as planned. And literally,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: as I mentioned a couple moments ago, apart from Luke Weaver,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: that's about it. He's the only offseason signing that has
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: panned out one bit, and it certainly makes Mets fans
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: miss Alonso just much more.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much you would have added to
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the win lost column, but it certainly would have made
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: for more exciting honest.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You look at what they could have done, although maybe not,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but you could have looked at a benj aj ewing, Alonzo,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: lindor Soto. I kinda would have wanted to see that lineup.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But I digress. I want to go. I wanted to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: get your take on one more thing. I don't know
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: if I showed you the story, but Jacob Mizerowski continues
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to dominate. He struck out twelve of his first thirteen
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: or whatever batter's faced, then retired fourteen overall. By the way,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: he struck out like seven in a row, which is
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. But Ryan, he only pitched five innings in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: eighty three pitches. We are talking about list climbers here,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and who's gonna get the next three k after the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: likes of Scherzer and Kershaw are gone? And I'm looking
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: at school Ball, Skiens, Schlitler, uh Mizerowski. But are these
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna do it in increments of that amount?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Like we're gonna just blow everybody out in the first
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: four innings and then be taken out of five? Is
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that where we're looking at the rest of our lives?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe, But it also depends on whether or
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: not these guys can stay healthy, because you know what, Alex,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the big difference between pictures now and pictures like twenty
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: years ago. Talking the likes of Tom Clavin, Pedro Martinez,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, guys who were able to get
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to three thousand strikeouts, much seamlessly. I mean, those guys
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: were not throwing one hundred miles an hour back then.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I mean Glavin I recalled, was literally the exact opposite.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: They need to do finesse right, These guys need to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: work on their finets a little bit too exactly.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But they also got to save their arms one way
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: or another. I mean, Pedro Glavin, we weren't talking about
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: those guys have Tommy John surgery. But now in twenty
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: twenty six, where the regimens are more advanced than ever
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: and more unforgiving on a player's bodies, and all that,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the conversations everybody's having is when are they going to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: undergo Tommy John surgery? And it's such a sad question
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to ask because now, and you even go back to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Little League here, a lot of these kids throwing NonStop
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty five days a year, and I
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: mean they could be like thirteen years old and they're
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: already throwing eighty miles an hour. I mean they are
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: being trained, I think, to be throwing as fast as
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: humanly possible from such a young age without a break
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: in training, I might add, and it's just adding so
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: much more strain onto these kids's bodies. And the fact
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: that a lot of these teenagers are having Tommy John
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: surgery and that's being normalized.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, that's kind of alarming right there. Well,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: yeah me ask me.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And it's really no wonder why a lot of these
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: big names are missing so much time with significant injuries.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And it's why I just hope that these big names
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like school Bawl, Schimes, Schlitler, even Missrowski throwing one hundred
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: miles an hour consistently. It's why I'm hoping that these
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: big names do not go under the knife. They are
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: far too talented right now to warrant going under the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: knife for a torn UCL or what have you.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think also, the front offices have changed, right, so
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I think they're looking for that guy that can pop
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the minute one hundred miles an hour, and I say,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: from the scout to the GM to the manager. Unfortunately,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: these kids are trying to impress them by throwing hundreds
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: every time, and that's gonna ruin their arm.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna ruin their arm. But then it's also
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: on these teams.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I would argue too, for not investing in the bullpen
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: a little bit more like, Okay, yeah, you have a
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: guy like Misowski who throws one hundred miles an hour
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: or so for and throws five innings eighty three pitch
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: is absolute masterclass. That's fine, But you know, gone are
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the days where complete game shutouts are and seven innings
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: are the norm. I mean, it's rare in this day
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and age that a starter will go seven innings or so,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and I yearn for those days so much, Alex, I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: really do. I miss the days when your average starter
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: could just go seven innings and then have the bullpen.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: That's why I finish it out right then and there
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: on Saturday against the Red Sox.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Is so rare, I mean, yeah, exactly, but game so
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: it's also more on the front offices now to be
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: investing more in quality bullpen arms, guys that can really
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: hold down the fort for longer periods of time, because
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: back then it used to be, you know, as long
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: as your starter can go seven innings and as long
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: as you have two to three good relievers, you should
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: be set. But now you need at least like four
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: or five to get through it on account of your
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: starters not going as long in the games anymore.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Well, Ryan, we gotta get back to our radio work,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: but always a pleasure to join me on the podcast.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Have you joined me on the podcast at Packs Perspective
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and One like a Balx Media. Always love the collapse.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, I always love it too, and I greatly appreciate
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and value it. It as always.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Alex That's Ryan Pagano, Packs Perspective and One like a
• 26:14
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• 26:17
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