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- 0:04Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:07Speaker 1: It's Thursday, February twelve, twenty twenty six. Liberal MPs will
- 0:15Speaker 1: vote on a new leader after Susan Lee's catastrophic poll
- 0:18Speaker 1: numbers prompted rival Angus Taylor to quit the front bench
- 0:21Speaker 1: and declare something has to change. Lee oversaw an embarrassing
- 0:26Speaker 1: split and then a fragile reunification of the coalition, and
- 0:29Speaker 1: on Wednesday night Taylor began the process that's become so
- 0:33Speaker 1: familiar in Canberra, ambitious rivals doing the numbers ahead of
- 0:36Speaker 1: a ballot. We're covering all the drama live at the
- 0:40Speaker 1: Australian dot Com dot au twenty four seven. Visiting heads
- 0:46Speaker 1: of state are supposed to be greeted with handshakes, happy
- 0:49Speaker 1: snaps and rounds of applause. Instead, Israeli President Isaac Hertzog
- 0:53Speaker 1: spent the week dodging protests amid a loud debate about
- 0:57Speaker 1: racist chance and police riot control. Tac Today Chief International
- 1:02Speaker 1: correspondent Cameron Stewart joins me to ask did the whole
- 1:05Speaker 1: visit blow up in Anthony Albanese's face and why don't
- 1:09Speaker 1: the protesters march in the streets when say Iran massacres
- 1:13Speaker 1: its own civilians.
- 1:15Speaker 2: That's today's story.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent and he's
- 1:46Speaker 1: here to talk about a week that was supposed to
- 1:48Speaker 1: be a reset of the Australia Israel relationship. Cam Anthony
- 1:52Speaker 1: Albanezi invited President Isaac Hertzel to Australia in an attempt
- 1:57Speaker 1: to show the Jewish community that he understood how felt
- 2:00Speaker 1: after the Bondi massacre of December fourteen and everything that's followed.
- 2:04Speaker 1: Has it worked as a reset?
- 2:07Speaker 3: A full reset is overstating the case. It was always
- 2:10Speaker 3: going to be a big call. I think it has
- 2:12Speaker 3: partially worked. I think it has definitely been a visit
- 2:14Speaker 3: that's been worthwhile, even though we've had some incredibly disruptive
- 2:18Speaker 3: protests and lots of invective, if you like, from opponents
- 2:22Speaker 3: of his visit. But I think the Israeli president has
- 2:25Speaker 3: come with message of conciliation for the Albernese government, which
- 2:29Speaker 3: is what the Albanese government wanted to hear, and Anthony Albernesi,
- 2:33Speaker 3: in turn, has been very respectful and very supportive of
- 2:37Speaker 3: mister Hertzog's visit and saying that it is important. He's
- 2:41Speaker 3: backed it all the way through, despite the process.
- 2:44Speaker 4: And I would say to everyone in this chamber and outside,
- 2:48Speaker 4: as I have said repeatedly, we need to turn the
- 2:53Speaker 4: temperature down in this country. We need to turn it
- 2:58Speaker 4: right down.
- 3:00Speaker 3: I think there is the start of a reset between
- 3:03Speaker 3: the government and Israel. Obviously you can't have a complete
- 3:07Speaker 3: reset while Benjamin Etna who is the Prime Minister, because
- 3:10Speaker 3: he and Albernezi have clashed personally in very vitriolic terms.
- 3:14Speaker 3: So can they only be a partial reset?
- 3:15Speaker 1: Yes, you mentioned the protests, and early in the week
- 3:19Speaker 1: we saw probably exactly what the protesters wanted, lots of
- 3:23Speaker 1: news and lots of attention on a big clash between
- 3:26Speaker 1: police and protesters, particularly in Sydney. At one point police
- 3:30Speaker 1: can be seen repeatedly punching a protester on the ground.
- 3:34Speaker 4: This is twenty eight year old Jace Turner, who has
- 3:37Speaker 4: been charged and is accused of biting a police officer.
- 3:42Speaker 1: That was after the New South Wales Supreme Court throughout
- 3:45Speaker 1: a challenge by the Palestine Action Group to new New
- 3:48Speaker 1: South Wales laws that restricted their right to protest in
- 3:51Speaker 1: certain parts of the city. How did it look internationally
- 3:55Speaker 1: for Australia to be hosting the Israeli president against that
- 3:59Speaker 1: backdrop of violent Stree protest.
- 4:01Speaker 3: Look, I mean, those protests were always going to happen,
- 4:04Speaker 3: and the rights and wrongs of the protests in Sydney,
- 4:07Speaker 3: you know, are being debated, but the bottom line is
- 4:10Speaker 3: that group of protesters tried to march and they weren't
- 4:13Speaker 3: allowed to under the court laws, and so that's when
- 4:16Speaker 3: the clashes happened, you know, and it was headline grabbing. Absolutely.
- 4:20Speaker 3: It's interesting though that the president Israeli president said he
- 4:24Speaker 3: believes the silent majority of Australians understand Israel's desire to
- 4:29Speaker 3: have a better relationship with Australia, understand the tragedy of
- 4:32Speaker 3: the Jewish attacking Bondai. In other words, he's saying that
- 4:35Speaker 3: he believes that these protesters who came out actually represent
- 4:37Speaker 3: a minority of Australians. And it's interesting, Claire, with these protests,
- 4:42Speaker 3: they've come out in reasonable size and numbers during the
- 4:45Speaker 3: president's visit, but we didn't see these protesters at all
- 4:49Speaker 3: when the flower of Iran's youth was being slaughtered on
- 4:53Speaker 3: the streets of Iran by a repressive theological regime.
- 4:57Speaker 5: Iran's Supreme leader admitted thousands have been killed since the
- 5:01Speaker 5: protests began.
- 5:02Speaker 2: Most who have died are believed to be under thirty.
- 5:08Speaker 3: These were innocent Muslim civilians dying, and yet did not
- 5:12Speaker 3: hear a peep from these protesters, and yet they're out
- 5:15Speaker 3: here because it's Israel. Mister Hurstlock said that he believes
- 5:20Speaker 3: that is anti Semitism. It's an example of it, and
- 5:23Speaker 3: you can go beyond that. Actually, you can look at
- 5:25Speaker 3: other Middle Eastern countries where there's been innocent civilians killed,
- 5:29Speaker 3: Muslim civilians, Yemen, Irak, Syria, again no protests. It does
- 5:35Speaker 3: make some interesting questions about why this is so much
- 5:39Speaker 3: the fashion to protest in relation to Palestine and Israel.
- 5:58Speaker 1: At those protests we heard the chance again from the
- 6:00Speaker 1: river to the sea and globalize the intera Fata. One
- 6:04Speaker 1: person chanting that was Grace Tame, the former Australian of
- 6:07Speaker 1: the Year, prompting controversy about whether or not she should
- 6:09Speaker 1: be stripped of that honor. Chris means the new Southwest
- 6:12Speaker 1: Premia has not been able to ban that phrase, and
- 6:16Speaker 1: the protest is clearly we're taunting him with that on
- 6:19Speaker 1: the steps of the town hall. I thought that was
- 6:23Speaker 1: a distressing scene in the circumstances where six weeks ago
- 6:27Speaker 1: he whilst fifteen members.
- 6:29Speaker 3: Of the Jewish community to.
- 6:30Speaker 1: Hate crime, a violent terrorst authorizing and that's what the
- 6:34Speaker 1: consequences of globalize the inter Fara mean, are violent uprising
- 6:38Speaker 1: in Sydney's streets. She can defend it, saying I think
- 6:42Speaker 1: it was terrible.
- 6:43Speaker 2: Words I have.
- 6:45Speaker 1: What do you think about where we go now in
- 6:48Speaker 1: terms of banning phrases and certain strings of words. Are
- 6:51Speaker 1: we going to get there or do you think it's
- 6:53Speaker 1: evident now that it's not going to be possible.
- 6:55Speaker 3: It's very hard to see how it is possible, really.
- 6:58Speaker 3: I mean, when you have that many people having phrases
- 7:00Speaker 3: like throw it to the sea and globalizing the Father,
- 7:03Speaker 3: they argue these are contested phrases. I think they're fundamentally
- 7:07Speaker 3: offensive phrases for the Jewish community and it would be
- 7:10Speaker 3: much better to have them banned in my opinion, But
- 7:12Speaker 3: I just don't know how that can really be enforced.
- 7:15Speaker 3: I think we're seeing precisely what would happen in this
- 7:18Speaker 3: situation is that protesters will come out and they will
- 7:20Speaker 3: actually chant those towards anyway.
- 7:23Speaker 1: Australia hosts heads of state and foreign dignitaries all the time,
- 7:27Speaker 1: and there are sort of various levels of honor that
- 7:29Speaker 1: you can afford a visiting head of state. Probably the
- 7:32Speaker 1: highest level is welcoming that person to a joint sitting
- 7:35Speaker 1: a federal parliament where they're allowed to address both chambers
- 7:38Speaker 1: of politicians at the same time. Chinese President Shi Jinping
- 7:41Speaker 1: did that in twenty fourteen, and before him Chinese leader
- 7:44Speaker 1: Fu Jintao, the President of the People's Republic of China.
- 7:50Speaker 2: Ending the other person lead the right.
- 7:53Speaker 1: Many other leaders have also been afforded that honor. Isaac
- 7:56Speaker 1: Herzog was not. He got a few moments in Parliament
- 7:59Speaker 1: House which was handshake in a courtyard, and then there
- 8:03Speaker 1: was a tree flanting ceremony at the Israeli embassy. Has
- 8:07Speaker 1: Australia insulted him by omission? Do you think they're no?
- 8:11Speaker 3: I think actually that's the only way that he could visit.
- 8:14Speaker 3: It's been such a devisive topic in Australia the war
- 8:17Speaker 3: in Gaza are not since the Vietnam War has the
- 8:19Speaker 3: country been so divided about an overseas conflict. He's coming
- 8:26Speaker 3: here after two years of terrible anti semitism in this country,
- 8:30Speaker 3: and you just simply could not have him being on
- 8:33Speaker 3: the floor of the Parliament with the Greens there for example,
- 8:36Speaker 3: or maybe cross benches or maybe members of the public
- 8:39Speaker 3: gallery yelling out embarrassing him. I think it was prudent
- 8:42Speaker 3: that was the case. But yes, you're right, it means
- 8:44Speaker 3: he doesn't get the full honors, if you like, not
- 8:46Speaker 3: because the government doesn't want to give it. I don't think.
- 8:49Speaker 3: I think it's simply because it's just you don't want
- 8:51Speaker 3: to embarrass the president and you have to be very scripted,
- 8:54Speaker 3: and it was a very scripted visit and I think
- 8:56Speaker 3: it's the only way they could have done it, frankly.
- 9:00Speaker 1: Coming up, Isaac Hertzog is a political opponent of Benjamin Netanya,
- 9:04Speaker 1: who and the equivalent of Australia's governor general. So why
- 9:08Speaker 1: the rage?
- 9:20Speaker 2: Israeli President Isaac Kurzog made his first of an official
- 9:23Speaker 2: visit to Zambia on Monday.
- 9:26Speaker 1: He's a labor politician in the opposite party to Benjamin Netna,
- 9:29Speaker 1: who the Prime Minister of Israel. Do you think there's
- 9:32Speaker 1: a failure among maybe the protest movement and even beyond that,
- 9:36Speaker 1: to understand what the President of Israel actually does and
- 9:39Speaker 1: who this person is.
- 9:40Speaker 3: I think there is I don't think many people realize
- 9:41Speaker 3: he has no part in policymaking at all in Israel.
- 9:44Speaker 3: And the president has generally backed the government during the
- 9:48Speaker 3: conflicting gars because that's his role. In a time of
- 9:51Speaker 3: peril for Israel. He can't really be affording to take
- 9:54Speaker 3: on his own government, you know. But yes, he is
- 9:57Speaker 3: a governor general type figure. He's a head of state.
- 10:00Speaker 3: And I think the protests against him coming to Australia
- 10:03Speaker 3: were misguided precisely because of that. I mean, he was
- 10:06Speaker 3: coming as the head of the only Jewish homeland to
- 10:10Speaker 3: comfort Australia's Jewish community after the Massacarem Bondi and after
- 10:14Speaker 3: frankly two years of anti Semitism, and that's why he
- 10:19Speaker 3: was here.
- 10:21Speaker 5: Anti Semitism here in Australia is not a Jewish problem.
- 10:27Speaker 5: It is an Australian problem and a global problem. Over
- 10:31Speaker 5: the generations, one thing has become clear. Hatred that starts
- 10:36Speaker 5: with the Jews never ends with the.
- 10:39Speaker 3: Jews, and people who opposed that are really saying to
- 10:45Speaker 3: the Jewish community, you don't deserve to have the head
- 10:49Speaker 3: of state of Israel come and comfort your community. And
- 10:53Speaker 3: you know, I think that's a fairly cruel perspective, and
- 10:55Speaker 3: that's something which I think the opponents of his visit
- 10:58Speaker 3: just didn't take into account. I just didn't care about.
- 11:03Speaker 1: I've heard some analysts saying that if Anthony Albanesi is
- 11:06Speaker 1: to visit Israel, there's no way he can do that
- 11:08Speaker 1: before Israel holds its elections.
- 11:12Speaker 6: Israeli elections have to take place by October twenty seventh
- 11:15Speaker 6: of twenty twenty six, according to the Knesset rules, and
- 11:19Speaker 6: it means that Benjamin Natanya, who may make all of
- 11:23Speaker 6: this four year term, and that almost never happens in
- 11:26Speaker 6: Israeli politics those two elections.
- 11:28Speaker 1: Of course, Benjaminina, who will likely be seeking reelection, He's
- 11:32Speaker 1: already asked President Isaac Hurtzel for a preemptive pardon for
- 11:36Speaker 1: various corruption charges that he's facing. Benjamin ntiniou that he denies.
- 11:40Speaker 1: What do you think about the prospects of Albanesi going
- 11:43Speaker 1: to Israel anytime soon?
- 11:45Speaker 3: I think it would be great if he did go
- 11:47Speaker 3: to Israel. I don't think it will happen under Benjamin Nannie.
- 11:49Speaker 3: I think the acrimonium between the two of them is
- 11:52Speaker 3: too strong. I don't think Nanniao would welcome Albanesi to
- 11:56Speaker 3: Israel at this point in time. But as you say,
- 11:58Speaker 3: elections coming up might be a different coalition. Who knows
- 12:01Speaker 3: if Nanna will be reelected, that could change the whole parameter.
- 12:07Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart, thank you very much, pleasure. Cameron Stewart is
- 12:14Speaker 1: The Australian's chief international correspondent. You can read all Cameron's
- 12:18Speaker 1: reporting and analysis, plus the best coverage of domestic and
- 12:22Speaker 1: world politics, anytime at the Australian dot com dot au