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Candace Conspiracy Craziness · Crisis Point

• 0:02
  Candace Owens has created a podcasting empire based on wild conspiracy theories. But the Tyler Robinson trial is revealing cracks in the facade. We'll look at both her and the problem of Internet personalities. Hello, I'm Eric Sammons and welcome to Crisis.
• 0:34
  Well, last week I would say was a bad week for Candace Owens and that's because the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing began last week.
• 0:44
  And for those who you who are living in a cave, Tyler Robinson, of course is the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk last September 10, 2025.
• 0:55
  Since that time, Candace Owens has created a large number of podcast episodes. I think she's even done like a whole series basically suggesting, and I use the word suggesting because Owens is pretty good about not always, but at times of kind of skirting it, making it more implication and outright accusation.
• 1:18
  But essentially people come away, I can say this with, with clarity. People come away from watching her and thinking that Tyler Robinson actually did not assassinate Charlie Kirk and only did he not assassinate him, he wasn't even on campus when he was assassinated. And that somehow Turning Point usa, the organization that Charlie Kirk ran and founded, was somehow potentially involved in a cover up, maybe even involved in the assassination itself. Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's wife, was also somehow involved or at least benefited from it. I mean, and, and Israel, Israel somehow was also part of this whole thing.
• 1:59
  And she has been driving. Now others, other Internet personalities have also made some suggestions. For example, Tucker Carlson has made a, you know, has suggested, definitely I've heard him suggest that Charlie Kirk's assassination wasn't as simple as a radical leftist college student.
• 2:21
  I don't care if he was still in college, but college age young man shooting him, but that somehow Israel is involved because the narrative is that Charlie Kirk was beginning to sour on his pro Israeli stance, his long time pro Israeli stance, becoming more skeptical of Israel.
• 2:41
  And that was a problem for Israel. And so supposedly Israel had something to do with the assassination as well, or at least forces that were pro Israeli, perhaps in the CIA, the deep state wasn't ever declared definitively who was behind it, but it definitely wasn't just some radical leftist who had a trans boyfriend and was crazy and just decide by himself to shoot him.
• 3:08
  And the problem, and so the problem with this whole narrative, which again Candace Owens has been the number one person pushing this narrative by far, she has been giving it the fuel to the fire. She has been talking about it for, for a very long time. And in fact this has helped propel her to the top of the podcast chart. She's one of the most popular podcasters in the world today. And don't get me wrong, she was very popular before the Charlie Kirk assassination.
• 3:37
  She, she's been in the public eye a, a popular pundit for very, for years, over a decade at least. I think she was at Daily Wire, of course, famously got fired or whatever happened there. And then she went on her own and you know, so, yeah, she, but, but, but she's become now one of the most. I mean, she's up there with Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, people like that, as far as her popularity goes.
• 4:07
  But last week was a really bad week for her and for her fans because now for the first time, we actually had evidence presented to the public. It was presented in the preliminary hearing and it was televised. And so a lot of this evidence became public knowledge.
• 4:22
  And notice that for months Candace had been speculating about various, her various theories about what had happened without most of the knowledge of what actually happened, most of the evidence. And she in fact used the lack of evidence as an indictment against those who thought it was just Tyler Robinson.
• 4:45
  She would claim things like they hadn't interviewed Tyler Robinson's boyfriend, was his last name Tiggs or something like that.
• 4:52
  You know, all various things she had claimed. The, the truth is, though, the legal process goes a very specific way. It takes time. First of all, especially on a high profile case like this, they're not going to jump into it, start making accusations they can't back up. They have to collect the evidence. They do a lot of things.
• 5:11
  Well, for the first time, a lot of this evidence that she kind of claimed wasn't there or suggested wasn't there actually came to light.
• 5:20
  And so instead of like this idea, she had been making it, the lack of evidence was damning, according to her, but really the evidence just hadn't been made public and there wasn't a need to make it public because you, if you're the prosecutor, you don't want to make it all public. You want to make sure you have all your ducks in a row. And this is again, just a preliminary hearing. We hadn't gotten to the trial yet, so it really kind of wrecked her whole, her whole narrative.
• 5:47
  I mean, the, you know, the idea that it was, it was some grand conspiracy.
• 5:53
  And note that this isn't like the, the only time Candace has, has gone kind of crazy, gone kind of off the reservation in some of her claims. I mean, she said things like she, she's questioned again. I want to make it clear here. Whenever I say Candace said something or suggested something or questioned something I know the response from Candace and her fans. Not that Candace is watching this, but Candace and her fans is going to be. Well, no, actually what I said was this. Or. No, I didn't, you know, I didn't. You just thought that. Well, that's because she's very talented.
• 6:27
  She wouldn't be on the top podcast in the world. She was extremely talented.
• 6:31
  And so she knows how to say things certain times. But I've, I've looked and I've seen. She's questioned whether or not the earth is actually round as a sphere.
• 6:40
  She has questioned, denied, I think even the moon landing. She's questioned dinosaurs, the existence of dinosaurs. She's questioned many modern scientific findings like heliocentricism, basically, because her logic is, and I've seen her say this, like a lot of modern science has problems. Really what she, what she's talking about is modern scientism, not modern science. Scientism is like a religious movement almost where you act like science is a religion. It's, it's a faith based thing where if, if some scientist somewhere says something and a few other scientists agree with them, it must be true.
• 7:19
  That's actually not how real science works, but it is how the popular culture, popular media, even many popular scientists, that's how they present it. The science says, I mean, look, think about Fauci. The science says, and also it has to be accepted as true. And Candace rightly sees through that and knows how terrible that is. But then she goes on to question things that have, that have been far, you know, lots and lots of proofs, I'll just put that way, lots on. It's not just somebody saying this for some, some ulterior motive.
• 7:48
  And again, the way Candace does it is she makes these, you know, lots of these outlandish claims, these extreme claims, gets lots of clicks for them.
• 7:58
  And when she's pushed back, she either denies she ever said it or she reframes it. She reframes the question or she ignores the, the, the pushback and moves on to something else.
• 8:09
  I mean, honestly, if she were a man, she could be a great boxer because she does a great job. When you go after her, she, she kind of dodges that away. And then she goes from another line of attack, kind of ignores the, the elephant in the room, the thing that you're accusing her of, and just kind of shifts and bobs and so it makes her, you know, still seem a bit credible.
• 8:35
  Fortunately, with the preliminary hearing of Tyler Robinson, what we found is we've had a lot of people though Debunk her, debunk her many claims. And you can go, the nice thing is all this stuff's on the Internet. You can go find what she said and so it can be debunked. So, for example, Data Republican, which is a somewhat well known Internet account X account. And this is a woman who basically, I think, I think Charlie Kirk actually made her very well known along with some others.
• 9:05
  And she, she, she's well known for like being very database. That's her name, Data Republican. She looks at data and she kind of debunks myths about the, about the various, you know, claims being made usually by liberals. And she'll go through them. Well, here she, she makes, she basically debunks Candace Owens. I'll go up here. As you can tell, I've muted Candace Owens, so she's kind of attacking Andrew Colvette. But then Data Republican replies, Hello, Mrs. Owens. You've told millions of people that Tyler wasn't even there, that you felt confident stating that Tyler Robinson did not murder Charlie Kirk.
• 9:44
  And then Data Republican goes on to say he was on camera prone on the loveseat rooftop at 1222, shot at 1223 28. DNA on the screwdriver at 30 quintillion to one. DNA on the rifle at 1.7 octillion to one. He told his family what he did. His parents helped him surrender. He texted his roommate, I am, I'm so, I'm sorry. He engraved, hey, fascist catch on the ammunition a month before he used it.
• 10:08
  You said, again, just talking to Kens. You said police didn't even question Lance Twigs. That's, that's the trans boyfriend or whatever. He was interviewed twice. FBI the morning after, Joint state federal team seven months later, his own attorney, voluntary phone surrender. You laugh when you said it.
• 10:25
  She goes on. But then I think one of the more damning as an evidence is. And then of course she goes to say, you called Erica Kirk a clinical psychopath to an audience of millions. You said the assassination was in a cult ritual. You said Charlie was sitting in a pentagram. You told people Israel killed him because he refused Netanyahu. You made over a hundred episodes. You built a franchise on a dead man's name. Now, I want, before I go on with the next part of this, I do want us to remember something very important here.
• 10:53
  Erica Kirk had her husband shot down in cold blood and her children's father murdered.
• 11:04
  And Candace Owens has made her mission to basically demonize the widow Erica Kirk.
• 11:10
  Now, I'm not saying you have to Support every single thing Erica Kirk has done since the assassination.
• 11:17
  I'm not saying, like, her. Her taking over TP usa, her. Her. Her statements. She's made all that stuff. Her actions, all. I'm not saying you defend all that.
• 11:27
  People, you know, people make mistakes. People do dumb things. People are people.
• 11:31
  People also react in very different ways to tragedy.
• 11:36
  I saw people, you know, Candace Owens, probably one of them, attacking Erica Kirk because the way she would laugh at certain things on camera after the assassination.
• 11:46
  Have you never been around more than one person who's. Who's. Who's seen a loved one die?
• 11:52
  Everybody reacts very different. Like, for example, I react very differently than my wife reacts to death. And it's actually been a point of contention at times that we've kind of had to come over time to learn how the other one reacts to death. So we understand, okay, this is how you react. Here's how I react to it. We're both grieving, but we react differently. That's normal. That's normal. And so if Erica Kirk reacts a little bit funny, that's one thing. But just focus on that for a second. We're not talking about some, you know, just a careless, you know, conspiracy theory, something that doesn't mean anything. We're talking about a woman with an audience of millions who's vilifying a woman whose husband was murdered and basically putting in the minds of some, probably many, that perhaps Erica Kirk was involved, or at least she was for it.
• 12:45
  This is diabolical. That's just diabolical. Let me go back to a data Republican was saying, she said, and the hardest fact of all, Tyler Robinson's own defense lawyers, the people whose entire career is on the line to get him acquitted, have refused to make a single one of your arguments. Not one. They're challenging DNA methodology. They're doing their jobs. You are doing something else entirely.
• 13:08
  And that's a great point to remember Tyler Robinson's attorneys, their entire job. Think about the career they would have if they were able to get Tyler Robinson off and he was found innocent. Because of their work, they are set for life. They are the most powerful attorneys on earth. Every single powerful person in the world is hiring them the next day.
• 13:32
  They are incentivized more than anybody on Earth. They are incentivized to find evidence to get Tyler Robinson off. That's their entire job. And they have more incentive than anybody else. Yet they're not bringing up a single argument that Candace Owens makes. Not a single one.
• 13:50
  I mean, I think that's. That's pretty damning right there. I think we should. We should recognize that.
• 13:56
  And the truth is, what's frustrating to a lot of people is that it's impossible really, to argue or discuss this with a Candace fan. I've actually had an article submitted to Crisis by a Candace Owens fan who's written for me before that basically was suggesting maybe Erica Kirk had something to do with it. Basically, this. This author had listened to Candace, probably done a deep dive on the Internet, listened to other podcasts. I'm not saying Candace is the only one saying this stuff.
• 14:29
  And it determined that this was like the. This was like. And this is a person who's is a good, faithful Catholic. I was like, no, I'm not running that. And of course, then the immediate response is, oh, you're hiding the truth. You're part of it.
• 14:44
  You're mainstream. Crisis magazine doesn't want to touch this because it's too controversial.
• 14:48
  Hello. During COVID we were running more than any other, quote, unquote, mainstream categorization. We are running all the articles attacking the vaccine mandates, the mask mandates. We were getting hammered left and right by the normies because we would rant, we would run things nobody else would run for. I mean, how mainstream is Crisis in the sense of, like. I don't mean, like mainstream, like big. What I mean by mainstream is, like, we're not considered, at least by a lot of people, super crazy. But we ran all that, and a lot of people thought we were crazy. I literally published an article blaming Pachamama, the Pachamama incident, for God allowing Covid to happen. We run that. I wrote.
• 15:29
  So, no, we're not afraid to run something because some people might not like it.
• 15:36
  But that's the. If. If you. If you say, oh, I'm not going to run this. That's the immediate response is, oh, they're censoring this because they don't want people to know. They're afraid to look at the evidence or whatever the story might be. And so it really is impossible. Like, I haven't looked at the comments yet. I'm sure there are people in the comments who are, you know, for Candace Owens and her arguments, things like that. The problem is you. You just can't argue with them because, like Candace, what happens is they just bob and weave when you show one thing is not true that is objectively not true. Like, they never interviewed last. What's his last name? Twigs. I always want to say Tigs or Twigs or. Geez, let me look that up again.
• 16:17
  Twigs. Yeah, Lance Twigs, they didn't interview him. You state that and then you find. We find out, no, that's factually wrong.
• 16:25
  Okay, well, that should then make people a little skeptical of other claims that people can get some things wrong. Not just one thing, but, you know, but what? Instead of saying, oh, I was wrong on that one. No. You then move it to another discussion of something else. You change the goal post constantly.
• 16:40
  And that's not what somebody who is, who cares about the truth is going to do. When somebody cares about the truth, what they will do is if they're, if they're told they're wrong by something, they're shown proof that they're wrong, they will say, oh, I was wrong.
• 16:54
  Sorry about that. They might then say, oh, but I'm right about this other stuff. And that's fine.
• 16:58
  But they, they will admit they're wrong. And that's. I don't see that happening. If I'm wrong about that. If Candace is all of a sudden doing a mea culpa video where she's saying, oh, you're right, I'm wrong. I was wrong about some of the stuff.
• 17:11
  What I saw was she's now like accusing Ben Shapiro being part of. I'm gonna get to Ben Shapiro here in a second.
• 17:17
  Maybe part of the conspiracy. There's a certain gnostic quality, to be honest, about a lot of the fans of Candace Owens and people like her in that they have this secret knowledge that you just don't know. They'll be like, you know, did you watch the 62 hour miniseries produced that? They showed all the evidence. If you didn't, well, you just don't know what you're talking about.
• 17:38
  As if you just can't have an opinion about this. You can't recognize how crazy these theories are without somehow wasting hours of your life, of your precious time going down all these crazy rabbit holes.
• 17:52
  Now, to be clear, I want to be clear about something. I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are false and that you. That aren't true. Conspiracy theories. There definitely are true ones, Covid. Like everything associated with COVID was a conspiracy theory. Practically everything the CIA has ever done, every conspiracy theory associated CIA is probably true.
• 18:14
  I definitely think you know the conspiracy that, that jfk, that CIA was involved in the JFK assassination almost definitely was true.
• 18:23
  I don't want to say home. Definitely I believe it was true. It is true. I need to say I definitely was involved the assassination of jfk.
• 18:31
  But that doesn't mean every conspiracy theory is true. And in fact, the more Complicated one gets. The more, the more complicated a theory gets, the more people involved in it, the more likely it is that it's simply not the case. I mean, this is why the moon landing conspiracy theory is such a joke. Because of the.
• 18:51
  It would be easier to get to the moon in the 1960s to have the conspiracy that people have made out. And yes, for people who want to debunk that, I've read, I've. I've achieved this.
• 19:02
  I've read the, you know, I've watched videos. I've read all the stuff about the moonlight. That's one I've always been interested in. And it just is. The conspiracy is crazy. Crazy. My point of this is it's okay sometimes to just dismiss something out of hand as no, my common sense just tells me that's not the case. Case. And I. So it's okay if you haven't watched every single Candace Owens video and watch the whole Tyler Robins thing just to be like, you know, that's just crazy talk. It's just crazy talk.
• 19:29
  Because some things are. If I. If all of a sudden I said on this podcast, a spaghetti monster landed on top of my house yesterday and started sucking out the brain power of me, people would believe that. But sucking out, you know, you know, and, you know, sucking our brain power or took us onto an alien ship or something like, it's okay for you just to say that's crazy. You don't have to have quote, unquote proof. You don't have to listen to all my arguments.
• 20:00
  You just can say that that's, that's insane and that's what we're doing here. That's what we can do here. Now I want to know, I want to mention something. Ben Shapiro, okay, If you want to know my. If you watch this podcast, you already know my politics are much closer to Candace Owens than they are to Ben Shapiro, especially when it comes to foreign policy, the role of Israel, the influence of Israel in American politics. I've made that clear before I do. I am not a fan of Ben Shapiro. I mean, I think I've hopefully made that clear over the years. I think he's an Israel first person, non America first person. That being said, he made a video which you just gotta go watch. You gotta go watch it. I think it was last this weekend. I think. I can't remember exactly when it came out. About 30 minutes, where he basically mocks Candace for 30 minutes by imitating her and he makes up this whole quote unquote conspiracy that Candace Owens actually might have been involved in the assassination of Charlie Kerr. The whole thing is ludicrous, of course, and that's the point. He starts talking about how Candace wears maroon outfits. And I mean, it really is troll I've ever seen in my life.
• 21:11
  Like I said, I'm not trying to cheer for Ben Shapiro, but you got to give him credit. And in fact, what he did was perfect. It was actually perfect because sometimes certain arguments can be mocked because that's the only way to kind of show how ridiculous they are. It's okay. Now, I'm not saying to be uncharitable. I'm not saying to call people names or anything like that, but just a good, healthy kind of mocking trolling here in this case is okay. I don't think there's anything really.
• 21:42
  I think, in fact, it might be the best way to do it because what it does, it just kind of clicks in people that, oh yeah, Candace, what she's saying here is just. It's insane. It's crazy. And we don't have to spend hours and hours.
• 21:56
  God bless my Republican who does spend the hours debunking. We don't have to do that. We can just know. This is just not something that seriously.
• 22:06
  I also want to know. Interesting how this made some strange fellows in the influence personal world. Nick Test again. I'm not enough my politics. Candace owns it as well as he basically said he's always. He's been from day one, has been. This isn't some op, Israel op or something like that. He's from day one. He's just basically said, yeah, I think it's time. Tyler Robinson. I'm pretty. I don't watch Nick Fuentes obviously regularly or almost at all. But I did see a clip where he basically saying, this is Candace Owens is giving a win to people on the other side, so to speak. Because in. In politics, you know, Candace Owens is kind of lumped in the same group with Nick Fuentes in some ways when Nick Fuentes is saying no. And obviously Nick Fuentes is completely opposed to Ben Shapiro, like diametrically opposed. But he's saying, I mean, he was commending Ben Shapiro for getting the win, getting the W here because Candace had put herself out there. That's why the truth does matter. That's why the truth does matter.
• 23:09
  Because ultimately, if you get caught up in your lies or your. Or your mis. Mis.
• 23:15
  Misinformation, whatever you want to call it, lies is a stronger word. I mean, I don't know if Candace actually believes this stuff or not. By the way, that she says. But the point is, once you get caught in it, you realize what you've been saying is factually not true.
• 23:28
  Everything else you say now is up for grabs, especially if you don't apologize and say, I was wrong. It's okay to get things wrong sometimes.
• 23:36
  It's okay to get things wrong sometimes, but you got to man up and say, I was wrong. I was wrong.
• 23:41
  And so Fuentes even commends Ben Shapiro and others and Data Republican, and he calls both Data Republican and Ben Spiro ops, which I don't think that's true. But the point is, is that, you know, he's still committing them because they got the win, because Candace put herself out there in a way. And really, what this does, it kind of leads to the whole problem of Internet personalities.
• 24:06
  Now, I know there's somewhat of an irony here that, you know, I'm talking about this. I guess technically I fall into this camp because I have a podcast and people watch it. You know, I write for. I write. I'm on X. I. I write things. I don't actually know what makes a personality. Like, is it a certain number of followers that all of a sudden you go from being just a Joe who's, like, saying your opinions on the Internet to all of a sudden a personality? I mean, I don't have that big of an audience. I don't have anything near the size of a Nick Fuentes or Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens.
• 24:37
  But I know some people accuse me, you know, can I not accuse me? They call me like, an influencer or a personality.
• 24:43
  But the point is, is, like, this applies to every. When I talk about the problem Internet personalities, I'm including me. If you want to include me. I'm not trying to act like I'm different than everybody else. Like everybody else. I'm just saying my opinions on the. On the Internet, that's all I'm doing. And that's all Candace is doing. It's all Ben Spiro is doing. That's all Nick Fuentes is doing as well. The problem, though, is, is that we live in this age of personalities where everything kind of revolves around a person, not the truth.
• 25:10
  And so we defend our team no matter what. We defend them no matter what they say. So if you were a Candace Owens fan and she starts going down this path, you know, going on the crazy train, you just keep defending her. Because to do otherwise would be helping the other team. Like, that's actually why I.
• 25:29
  I commend Nick Fuentes for admitting this is a Bad look and saying that, you know, Ben Shapiro and Data Republican, they got the win, even though he's not a fan of theirs, obviously.
• 25:43
  And I think that's what we need to do is like, acknowledge, okay, some. When somebody's our team, because obviously Candace Owens in a lot of ways is on, quote, unquote, our team, at least publicly, because she is a very public convert to Catholicism.
• 25:57
  And, you know, I think in her show, I mean, I have a crucifix behind me in my show, and I'm pretty sure she has a crucifix at least at times. I don't watch her show regularly, obviously, but I've seen clips and I think she has a crucifix as well. She's talked about her Catholic faith, and so she's Rep. Yes, she is a representative of the Catholic faith. And so when she does this and treats, I mean, some of the things she's done to Erica Kirk are just horrific. Horrifically uncharitable. And really a.
• 26:24
  It's okay to be forceful with people. It's okay to be blunt with people, but like how she mocks Erica Kirk when she's crying and things like that. And just assuming Erica Kirk is faking it or whatever as incredibly uncharitable and a bad witness to the Catholic faith, obviously.
• 26:42
  And so we. We have to get away from this idea of following personalities. I do think, by the way, though, there is a kind of the dumb way to go against Internet personalities, and the dumb way is to call everybody a grifter.
• 26:58
  Oh, it's just. They're a grifter. It's a grift.
• 27:01
  I mean, I saw. I mean, this is something I mentioned a week or so ago where the. The bishop. The new bishop of Detroit, Denver. Sorry, new bishop, Denver, saying every. You basically said Catholic YouTubers are just in it for the money. He's basically calling them all grifters. That's the low IQ response. I'm not saying there aren't grifters. I'm not saying there aren't people here in it to make money, but I think it's a lot less than.
• 27:26
  Than.
• 27:28
  Than a lot of people think. I think there's a lot fewer grifters. If by grifter you mean you're just in it for the money.
• 27:35
  I think the more common thing is that the way the Internet is set up, the way this whole industry set up with podcasts and social media and all that stuff, is it does tend to tempt people to skew to what brings clicks. Listen, if you Start a podcast. If you start a YouTube channel, you want people to watch it. There's not a single person on earth who starts a YouTube channel and thinks, oh, I hope nobody subscribes.
• 28:04
  Everybody wants somebody to subscribe. If they tell you otherwise, they're lying.
• 28:09
  Well, you start to find out very quickly what gets clicks and then potentially subscribers. And that is the, the outlandish, the extreme, the way sustainable. There's a billion and one people who have YouTube channels or podcasts or whatever. We're a dime a dozen. There's nothing special about us at all.
• 28:27
  And so what happens is you got to stand out. You got to say things that, that, that you just naturally, even if you are telling yourself you're not going to do it. I've seen this before with, with, with people who, I followed them early and I was like, oh, this is a great podcast. And then over time I was just like, no, this is going crazier and crazier.
• 28:46
  And also another phenomenon in this realm is that the responses you get are always extreme. So for example, if I have a moderate take against Israel, like, for example, I just say, you know, I don't think maybe America shouldn't be so connected to Israel and foreign policy.
• 29:05
  That's a pretty moderate take. I think most people would, normal, reasonable people would say, yeah, what will happen is if I say something like that, I will be called an anti Semite. I will be screamed at for being anti Semite.
• 29:16
  Well, it's natural then psychologically, I would say it's natural then to be like, well, if I'm going to be called an anti Semite for the moderate take, I might as well just go all in and say the crazy stuff that gets more clicks. I'll be calling anti Semite either way.
• 29:30
  And so it is a challenge. You got it. You gotta, you know, you do the challenge. So I don't think though, the idea that it's a grift, first of all, I think people will say that the people who most commonly say that are people who would be, are doing the exact same thing. They just don't have an audience. I really do think envy is a big part of that.
• 29:51
  Like, they just haven't gotten an audience. So they think people, like so many people I think, who call like for example, Taylor Marshall a grifter, that he's just a grifter. I really think it's envy behind a lot of them.
• 30:02
  I'm not saying every critic of, of Taylor Marshall is envious. I'm just simply saying those who call him A grifter.
• 30:09
  I just think it's because they would be.
• 30:12
  They just wish they had a channel as big as he did. They wish they had an audience as big as he did.
• 30:18
  And I'll be honest, like for, for me, at least somebody of my size, trust me, I can make a heck a lot more money if I just went back into software development like I did for 15 years. I'm a software development company.
• 30:31
  I, I can make a heck of a lot more money doing that than I do what I'm doing here.
• 30:35
  I mean, like YouTube, for example, I get, I mean the crisis might get so little money and like, you know, monetized X, unless you're one of these big huge accounts, you don't get very much money. And so it's kind of silly too. And I could just easily make way more money if I just chose to go back into software development. And I think that's true for a lot of people though. I'm not just saying this is about me. I'm simply saying that I don't think these people are all grifters. And so even Candace Owens, I'm not claiming she's doing it for the money.
• 31:04
  I, for all I know, she may really believe everything she says. I'm not saying though. What I am saying though is there is the temptation. There are temptations involved in being online and doing these things that gear you towards more extreme measures to saying more extreme things. Now the thing is, it's true in the Catholic world as well. You know, I've talked about these big names, but think about the personalities in the Catholic world. You know, you have Archbishop Vigano, Father James Altman, I already mentioned Taylor Marshall, you know, Michael Matt, John Henry Weston, Kennedy hall, people like that.
• 31:42
  You know, people who aren't, who are big names, but you know, Pope Francis, Pope Leo, Father James Martin, you know, Cardinal Cupich. They don't even have to be online people. But the point is these are all kind of quote unquote personalities.
• 31:56
  And the truth is, especially the Internet personalities, you just simply can't follow. Don't, don't join a team.
• 32:03
  You know, we jokingly say on the Internet, if you're not do this, you're not part of the team.
• 32:08
  But what I mean by that is it's okay to be a fan of somebody. You can be a fan of Michael Matt, for example. There's nothing. I'm a fan of Michael Matt. I admit it freely.
• 32:18
  I think he's a good man. I think he does good work.
• 32:21
  The funny thing is, right now we're on completely opposite sides of the most, the biggest issue in the Internet Catholic world right now, which is the SSPX consecrations. He thinks there's no problem with them. I think they were wrong yet, hey, I, I think he's a good man. I think he's a good guy. I think he does good work. It's okay. I don't have to also be like, well, Michael Matt disagrees me on this. I'm going to attack him now. I'm gonna, I have to be against him now because what happens is sometimes when you get too much into like, like being following somebody and they start going down a path that's not so good. The two main examples I will say for this is Archbishop Vigano and Father James Altman.
• 33:00
  They have both gone down the crazy train. They've gotten on the crazy train and gone down there.
• 33:07
  When you say that people are like, oh, but Bishop Vegano, he, you know, you're for McCarrick or something like that. If you're against Bishop Vegano, that's not how it works. Or you, you, you're for Father James Martin if you're not for Father James Altman. No, that's not how it works.
• 33:21
  I appreciate what Archbishop Vigano did when he revealed things about formerly Cardinal Cardinal McCarrick. I'm very thankful for that. But since then I think he's done a lot of damage and a lot of terrible, said a lot of terrible things, a lot of damage to the Church. Father James Altman, I think he was treated unfairly when he was, when he was kind of removed for, for preaching boldly against abortion and maybe in political things. I think maybe, maybe you could say he showed some imprudence at times before he got shot down. But definitely he was treated unfairly and not like a liberal priest would have been treated.
• 34:00
  That doesn't mean all of a sudden everything he does, we make him this hero. Like, oh my gosh, look how brave he is. He said these great things. Okay, but does that mean every single thing he says for the rest of his life is brave and great and we have to follow it? That's ridiculous. That's not, that's not using our, our brains. Same thing is true of me, by the way. If I go down the crazy train, I want you all to stop following me.
• 34:22
  Some of you might think I've already gone down that I don't know. But the point is, is that, you know, don't take this, you know, don't take these things like these persons, personalities on The Internet as gospel truth. Here's the. Here's the reality.
• 34:38
  None of us online are authorities. I always think it's funny when somebody says, you know, Eric, Sam, he acts like he's an authority. Or Taylor Marshall acts like he's an authority. And like. No, we don't.
• 34:48
  Taylor calls it. He's a dad with a webcam. That's exactly what I am. I'm a dad. I got a webcam. That's it. That's my authority. I'm a layman.
• 34:56
  I do have some training in theology. I have some knowledge. I've studied this for a long time, and I'm giving my opinions. I have zero authority in the church, and I've never once claimed to have authority. And neither is Taylor, neither is Michael, Matt, or anybody like that.
• 35:13
  And so the pro. The truth is an ideal world. We wouldn't exist. People like us, you know, these accounts wouldn't exist, because what would. What we would have is, we'd have strong bishops, strong priests, strong prelates, preaching the truth, combating error, combating heresy. But we don't have that. We have a lot of weak men leading the church. And so a void was created, and somebody had to fill a void. And so a lot of laymen stepped in. And yes, there's problems associated with that, that layman stepped in, but the reality is, I think it's necessary. I wouldn't keep doing this if I didn't think it was necessary, but I don't want somebody to think all of a sudden I'm some authority.
• 35:55
  You know, we can be helpful, we can be informative, but we're not authorities.
• 35:59
  So I would just kind of like my advice. Take it for what it's worth.
• 36:04
  My advice is when you're. It's okay to watch podcasts. I. I want you to watch my podcast, like, and subscribe.
• 36:12
  Hit that bell or whatever they say. Don't. Don't hit the notification bell. Actually, take that back. I always hate that because it's like, I don't like people's phones telling them what to do and what to watch. Just like. And subscribe and just stick with that.
• 36:24
  But I think what you need to do is, this is my advice to myself and all Catholics, is spend much more time learning your faith from books and from prayer and from participation in your parish. That really should be the foundation of your knowledge. You should be focused on reading good spiritual books, good theology books. You should be spending a lot of time in prayer. You should be a lot of time at your parish going to Mass. Obviously, receiving the sacraments, spending time in your community, talking to your priest, things like that, that keeps you grounded, because what will happen is if you do that, and let's say you start going down Candace's train against, you know, Tyler Robinson or for Tyler Robinson or whatever, you know, you know, saying her, her theories about Candace Owens, you'll bring that up maybe in front of your pastor at the, at the parish picnic. He will very quickly disabuse you and make sure it's clear.
• 37:19
  You don't, don't do that. You're being dumb.
• 37:22
  You know, you're getting hoodwinked, and that's good. Or a friend will tell you that if you spend your time alone in your, in your house, spending hours and hours watching videos, you're guaranteed you're going to go off, off the rails because you don't have any person to check you.
• 37:40
  I'd be curious to know.
• 37:43
  I don't know if this is true or not. I'm just. I'd be curious to know if married people are less likely to go down that path than single people are because the married person has their spouse to keep them in check and be like, wait, what are you doing? Why are you spending. I'm getting worried about you.
• 37:58
  Why are you spending all this time. In fact, I, I just read where after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, J.D. vance started going down this path a little bit, like trying to figure out, you know, who was involved, was a big conspiracy, stuff like that. And Usha, his wife, was like, I don't know about this, JD And I think that's a healthy thing. At the very least, even if you're, if the path you're going down is the truth, you need somebody to keep you in check.
• 38:21
  And that's why you need to spend time in prayer. God will keep in check. You need time reading books.
• 38:29
  They're laying out arguments about theology, about the deep things, so your mind is properly ordered so you can process information better.
• 38:39
  So again, I would say spend a lot of time in prayer reading books, not reading books about the latest things. Like if there's a book about Charlie Kirk's assassination. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about reading a book about, like, you know, third century theology or something like that, or catechisms or whatever.
• 38:56
  And like I said, being in your local community, particularly your parish, and being connected to your pastor.
• 39:03
  I mean, honestly, you should find a solid parish and find a pastor you can trust. That should be your number one personality, your. Your number one influencer. So to Speak is your pastor.
• 39:12
  Now, I'm not saying every pastor is great. We all know they're not. But try to find a solid parish where they is a good pastor and let that be your main influencer above anybody else.
• 39:23
  Yeah. So spend and spend much less time online.
• 39:26
  Here's the reality.
• 39:29
  Your life does not measurably change at all if you don't follow Candace's theories. And she's right, Your life doesn't actually change at all.
• 39:44
  However, your life can change for the worse if you spend an inordinate amount of time following all these conspiracy theories of Candace and others.
• 39:57
  Especially if she's wrong, because you just wait. Think about. We're only given so much time here on Earth. We're only given so much time here on Earth.
• 40:06
  We should use it wisely. We shouldn't waste it on conspiracy theories that frankly don't impact us at all.
• 40:13
  And especially when something else should be saying, there's a lot about this I'm not, you know, that. That seems kind of crazy.
• 40:21
  So I would just. That'd be my advice. It's okay. You don't have to follow the, you know, the conspiracies. Okay.
• 40:29
  Today's Tuesday, which means we're on the live chat. I saw we had some lively comments today. I always appreciate that. I love the live chat. Let me pull up some of the.
• 40:38
  The. The chat here.
• 40:40
  K. Bear says Nick Fuentes was right again. Well, I think you're trolling me here a little bit because as you know, I'm not a fan, Nick Quintes. But I will say to you, absolutely, he was right about this. And so, so God bless him.
• 40:55
  Richard says people who imbibe this poison would be doing much better to fast, pray, and do penance and maybe go volunteer at church elsewhere. Yeah, I think, Rich, you posted that earlier, before I even gave my final advice. But we're on the same page here. Exactly. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen if you're going to spend. Instead of spending time doing these conspiracy theories, go work at a soup kitchen or volunteer at your church or pray for an abortion clinic, something like that. It's much better time spent.
• 41:22
  I'm not saying you can't. I mean, I. I look at things on the Internet. I'm not saying don't be on the Internet. Don't, you know, read about some of this stuff. I'm just saying if it becomes a kind of obsession for you, it's a problem.
• 41:34
  Dave says we should always question the narrative, but she goes way over the top. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I, I am with you on that, Dave. I think that's good advice. Question and narrative. I'm not saying you just imbibe and say, okay, whatever the narrative is, you have to accept it immediately. It's okay to be skeptical. We have reason to be skeptical. We've seen our leaders in both the church and in politics and government lie to us and lead us astray. It's okay. But there are limits to it. It's not like because one conspiracy to every conspiracy is true.
• 42:05
  K. Bear says, but the Egyptian planes dropped off exploding microphones and particle beam weapons made by the frankest elites makes much more sense than a lone crazy gay leftist gunman.
• 42:15
  Honestly, I, I mean, I, I've seen enough of candid stuff to know that there's actually some. What you're saying is not that far off what she's saying. But when you look at like that, that is what she's saying is something that crazy Patriot Pooh Bear says. I was one of her biggest fans even after she left the Daily Wire three episodes into her new podcast. I know something seismic had changed in her or that she became what she always was. Patriot Pooh Bear.
• 42:41
  I think that's a great point. There is something to be said for when people kind of go off on their own.
• 42:47
  They. And they have nobody to kind of keep them in check a little bit. I'm not saying Daily Wire is like some bastion of sanity. And the greatest thing I, I like Matt Fradd, I like Matt Walsh, I like Michael Knowles. I don't agree with him all the time, but I like him. Don't like Ben Shapiro, but like, yeah, when you go on your own and basically I think it's happened to Tucker. I like Tucker Carlson a lot. I've liked us, but I think he's also done this some.
• 43:14
  Yeah, I was just going to bring up a thing I, I thought of as well when I was preparing for this, the whole thing about being a grifter and stuff. There's also like this idea that everything's an op. I mean, Nick Fuentes does this a little bit. I've been accused recently, in fact, of basically being controlled by the Vatican, that the Vatican has a direct communication with me where the reason I'm opposed. I'm opposed to the consecrations. SSPX consecrations because the Vaticans talk to me and maybe I'm getting some type of deal. I'm not. I can't. I wasn't quite sure if I'm getting money for it or if I'M getting a promise they won't shut down my TLM or I don't know exactly why I'm doing it, but that's why I'm doing it. Which. So that's why when I hear these things, when I hear some of these crazy conspiracy theories, I know they can't all be true because the ones said about me I know are not true. And of course, the funny thing is by denying it, it will just get. Some people say, well, obviously it's true. If he denies it, you just can't win. That's why you don't argue with them.
• 44:10
  Okay. Richard also says it's fascinating how invested so many folks are in this matter. Why? I agree.
• 44:15
  I think, okay, this is me, just my own. My own thoughts is why. Why are people so crazy about this and so invest in this? I do think it has to do with the fact that we've lost trust in our institutions.
• 44:28
  You know, when I was growing up, you had the three news stations and you trusted them. What they were saying, you thought that was like the whole story. And then we learned that was all lies, that was not true. We've obviously been lied to by the church as well. So Catholics, you know, are distrusting of authority as well, unfortunately. And I think that's just. That's just what has happened is that because we're so distrustful of this, we. We look for ways to make sense of a crazy world.
• 44:56
  The world is insane. You know, Charlie Kirk getting assassinated is crazy. I mean, that alone, it. I think it shook most of us because Charlie Kirk was one of us. And all of a sudden he just gets shot in cold blood. We want it to mean something more than just some crazy kid. Some kid who was just, you know, off his rocker, had gotten too ideologically imbibed into the leftist ideology and all that. I think we want to be something bigger, like, oh, all these forces are against us. And when we see things like, I mean, a lot of people who are on the Candace train, they very much distrust Donald Trump now, which I. I'm with you, by the way. I'm not a fan of Donald Trump anymore, but this is a way to explain it all, like, oh, it's Israel doing it. And so, like, that's also explains why Trump's doing what he's doing.
• 45:45
  I think that just makes it too easy. I don't think it's. I think there's a lot more involved as far as just people being people and things like that. So it is unhealth, though, to be completely consumed by this and to talk about it all the time and to have, you know, tons and tons of videos about, like. Like this assassination. Before. Tons of videos? No, before any evidence had been been released to public. Really, just based upon some. A few videos and other things that we found online.
• 46:10
  It's. It's just not healthy. Okay, I'm gonna wrap it up there. I appreciate everybody who tuned in live. And until next time, everybody, God love you, and remember the poor. In fact, why don't you remember the poor more than you try to remember what Candace Owens has to say. Okay, everybody, God bless you.