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Jaguars Reporters: March 1 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaguars Reporters presented by t I A A
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Speaker 1: Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oshan, Ashlyn Sullivan and J. P. Shagrin.
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Reporters presented by t I A A Bank starts
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Speaker 1: right now. Welcome in Jaguar's Reporters, a podcast with all
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Speaker 1: of us lovely media folks, John Oja Bryant Sex and J. P. Shaddick,
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Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan here with you, discussing all the news of
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Speaker 1: the week. And I won't lie to you, John, I
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Speaker 1: was trying to come up with some news and this
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Speaker 1: is one of those weeks where you scratch your head thinking,
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Speaker 1: I gotta find some news. Well it's been a slow week,
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Speaker 1: but it's gonna get busy with the franchise tags coming up,
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Speaker 1: free agencies and too far around the corner. So enjoy
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Speaker 1: the calm before the storm, if you will. Yes, and JP,
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Speaker 1: I I felt for you because last week was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be the NFL combine. We're supposed to get another
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Speaker 1: shrimp cocktail and instead you have to settle for one
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Speaker 1: here which just isn't the same. It's not even close.
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Speaker 1: I mean there there's a good shrimp here. I mean
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Speaker 1: let's say Mayport's right here. I get that, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit different, and it's strange because they
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Speaker 1: haven't you're talking about the lack of news right now, Well,
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Speaker 1: they haven't announced the top end of what the salary
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Speaker 1: caps going to be. So I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: these teams are just waiting until that comes out to
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Speaker 1: officially maybe resign some of their pending free agents or
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Speaker 1: start franchising a guy. I think they have to wait
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Speaker 1: until the official numbers come out before there's really a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of actual news around the NFL. Now there's
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Speaker 1: a domino effect here too. There are some teams who
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Speaker 1: are waiting to see who might come available before they
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Speaker 1: signed their own guys. So I mean, at this point,
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Speaker 1: we're just waiting for them to decide. And I believe
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it's Clark Hunt Jr. Who said
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Speaker 1: that it might not be until of March, you know,
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Speaker 1: the day before the new league year is supposed to open,
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Speaker 1: that they know specifically what that number is. So I
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Speaker 1: imagine until that point it's going to be quiet. Right.
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Speaker 1: We were looking um seeing if anyone had placed the
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Speaker 1: franchise tag around the leane and that brings us to
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Speaker 1: our first news of the week, which is the franchise tag.
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Speaker 1: In the deadline of March nine, all eyes, at least
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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars are on Cam Robinson, and we spoke
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Speaker 1: at Great Link last week of should they give him
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Speaker 1: a new contracts franchise tag. We're we're still up in
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Speaker 1: the air, and I mean, the biggest news of the
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Speaker 1: league is Dak Prescott and the Cowboys, but at least
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Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville, nothing's really changed, and we have mixed opinions.
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Speaker 1: John of whether the franchise tag is the right move, Well,
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Speaker 1: I think it could be the right move. I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: say that if they don't use it, it's the wrong
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Speaker 1: move because frankly, right now, we don't really know how
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Speaker 1: they feel about Cam. We know George Warhop last summer
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Speaker 1: talked about liking Cam. That's really been the last official
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Speaker 1: indication aside from Urban Meyers saying and Darryl Bevil that
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Speaker 1: they like the pensive line, but we don't know that
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Speaker 1: that means necessarily Cam Robinson. Bevil was pretty pointed in
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Speaker 1: saying we don't know what's going to happen to Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson on that, but that they like the line overall, Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, franchise and or transitioning camp makes sense. I
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Speaker 1: have no feel for where they'll do it or not. Well,
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Speaker 1: I just don't know that they need to, you know.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not like Cam Robinson is creating a
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Speaker 1: buzz out there. You know, people are talking about left tackle.
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Speaker 1: They're talking about Trent Williams and is he worth eighteen
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Speaker 1: to twenty million. I don't know that there's a big
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Speaker 1: enough market out there that they have to give the
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Speaker 1: leverage or they have to give the franchise tag to Cam.
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Speaker 1: And they couldn't just do a two or a three
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Speaker 1: year deal kind of a short term with some outs.
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Speaker 1: Uh that gives Cam a market kind of deal without
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Speaker 1: giving themselves that you know, that kind of a well
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Speaker 1: that would be transit. I mean that would be where
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Speaker 1: the transition would be smart because then you can match it. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: so yeah, that that. I just don't think they I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's I don't think he's a franchise player,
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Speaker 1: so I wouldn't give him the franchise tag. I'll say this,
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Speaker 1: you better really really like him if you're gonna give
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Speaker 1: him fourteen and a half million dollars for one year
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Speaker 1: and like him a whole lot more than somebody you
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Speaker 1: could draft at twenty five or early in the second round.
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Speaker 1: That's where Cam was draft to remember, second round draft pick.
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Speaker 1: You can get a guy that can play. There are
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Speaker 1: there guys in the draft they like better than they've
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Speaker 1: seen tape of Cam Robinson or in Balky's case, he
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Speaker 1: was around last year to see him in person. That's
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Speaker 1: as John, as you said, we just haven't had a
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Speaker 1: chance to get in everybody's head yet, and that's that's
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Speaker 1: part of the mystery right now. The other side of
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Speaker 1: what JP said though, is yes, you need to like
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Speaker 1: him more than you would overall pick. But the argument
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Speaker 1: for signing him to the franchise tag or tagging him
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Speaker 1: to the franchise tag is that if you do that,
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Speaker 1: then you don't have to use that on the thirty
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Speaker 1: third pick. So they have some needs that would be
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Speaker 1: addressable with those spots. Um, there's a limit to how
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Speaker 1: much you can go get in one offseason. Franchising or
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Speaker 1: tagging Cam would mean not having to go get that
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Speaker 1: spot right now. It would just give you a little
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Speaker 1: more flexibility and free agency in the draft. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think the biggest question too is, and we don't know.
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Speaker 1: This is what does Cam Robinson think he's worth. Maybe
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Speaker 1: he says a number below the franchise. Tager wants this big,
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Speaker 1: huge contract and maybe you can get him for a
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Speaker 1: bargain and kind of find some middle ground. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson and his team haven't really said what number
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Speaker 1: they want that to be right, That's what I think
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Speaker 1: I would be shooting towards. Is that kind of a
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Speaker 1: deal where it's to two or three year deal and
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Speaker 1: it's something that you can get out from underneath and
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Speaker 1: take a dead cap hit if you if you want
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Speaker 1: to move on from him in two But that's something
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Speaker 1: they have to decide whether they like him enough for
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Speaker 1: and we don't know them. And that is the news
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Speaker 1: of the week. Very pressing, breaking news this week as
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Speaker 1: we get into big things. Brian Sexton, you're up. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think the Drag Wars ought to investigates swinging in
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Speaker 1: the trade market before the young before the craziness of
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Speaker 1: free agency opens. And I say that because there are
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Speaker 1: two positions, keep positions that they can address wide receiver
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Speaker 1: and cornerback. And you look at a team like the
6:08
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints, um or it is is that both
6:12
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lattimore and Michael Thomas could be had for the
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Speaker 1: right price. These are guys that the Saints can't afford
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Speaker 1: or can't afford to give the big contract to because
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Speaker 1: they're seventy million dollars over the salary cap right now.
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Speaker 1: Think about that, and they have had thirteen players that
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Speaker 1: were ten million or more. And I did the math
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't get there. Now, I didn't do the restructuring,
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Speaker 1: and but that creates a downfall of problems that I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure the Saints would want to go with. So
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Speaker 1: if I'm the Jaguars, I investigate. And I used the
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Speaker 1: Saints as the example. There are probably others. A player
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Speaker 1: on another roster of a team that is struggling with
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Speaker 1: the salary cap, and I may go swing for the fences,
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Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Thomas who set the NFL record
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Speaker 1: two years ago from most catches in the season, which
6:57
Speaker 1: you know, admittedly that record keeps getting broken as this
7:00
Speaker 1: league goes more and more towards the passing year. But
7:02
Speaker 1: it's cool to have a guy who broke the record. Yeah,
7:04
Speaker 1: you would know you covered the Colts when Marvin Harrison
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Speaker 1: did it. Um but to have a guy like that.
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Speaker 1: You know, we talked last week about you know, are
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Speaker 1: you comfortable with the receivers they've got. Now you add
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Speaker 1: a guy like that to it, and you blow the
7:16
Speaker 1: thing up. Or or Lattimore, who is Um you know,
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Speaker 1: I remember his rookie season. It was Jalen Ramsey's second
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Speaker 1: season and they were talking about this kid is as
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Speaker 1: good as Ramsey. Right. Um, I don't know if he
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Speaker 1: still is seen that way by personnel people. I guess
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Speaker 1: the point is, you've got cap room, and you've got
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Speaker 1: draft picks. I might be tempted to go and swing
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Speaker 1: at the fences for a player that could hit free agency,
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Speaker 1: and I want him like, what are you What is
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Speaker 1: something that you don't want to give up that you
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Speaker 1: need to keep around? And what are you willing to
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Speaker 1: give up like in draft picks? And and that that's
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Speaker 1: the that's the question. We don't know the answered. You
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Speaker 1: got two twos, you gotta couple of fours, you've got
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Speaker 1: you've got you have what five or six picks in
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Speaker 1: the first hundred. Um, yeah, you know you're giving them
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Speaker 1: a lifeline, you're taking on a contract. If it's Michael
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Speaker 1: Thomas kind of guy. Um, you know, I mean we
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Speaker 1: saw the deals with the quarterbacks. I think that was
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Speaker 1: also the genesis of this John, is that with the
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks moving and people being willing to trade and find
8:21
Speaker 1: I mean they're throwing. You keep hearing reports of what
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Speaker 1: teams are willing to give up for Deshaun Watson, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean massive amounts for the quarterback. We're not talking
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Speaker 1: about a quarterback here, um, but if you've got a
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Speaker 1: game changing guy that would make Trevor Lawrence that much
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Speaker 1: more effective, that more quickly, that much more quickly, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be scared to go and swing in the market. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to give up either of
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Speaker 1: the first three thirty three. But to your point, in
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Speaker 1: this market right now, you may not have to because
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Speaker 1: in a sense, I don't want to say you're doing
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Speaker 1: them a favor, but in a sense you're taking some
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Speaker 1: cap space from them and giving them something, and there's
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Speaker 1: not that many teams who can take on cap space,
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Speaker 1: so they may be sort of forced to give you
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Speaker 1: a little bit better a deal than you normally would
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Speaker 1: have went. I don't know I'd give up one of
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Speaker 1: the first four, but it's not me making the decision,
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Speaker 1: and I for sure wouldn't want to give up any
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Speaker 1: franchise players. This team has so many needs, and for example,
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Speaker 1: a Josh Allen, d J. Charks, someone of that caliber.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can afford to give away a
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Speaker 1: player like that right now. Yeah, I mean you wonder
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Speaker 1: if it was a straight up a position for position.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they would a player for player trades
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Speaker 1: in this or still relatively rare, but if it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, if it was shark four. Oh yeah, Thomas
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Speaker 1: uh with the cap space. Come, I'm still not sure
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Speaker 1: you do it? Yeah, maybe it's a player in a
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Speaker 1: couple of picks. And then then it gets siffy. All right,
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Speaker 1: John Osier, what are we thinking you're throwing a curveball here? Um, well,
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Speaker 1: it is, and it isn't. I think the Jaguars should
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Speaker 1: take a running back, a fast running back, and this
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Speaker 1: could be twenty five or could be thirty three, somewhere
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Speaker 1: in that in that bunch. And I mentioned this a
10:21
Speaker 1: couple of times two people, and I always get it. Oh,
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Speaker 1: what about James Robins. Well, James Robbins is really good
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Speaker 1: and he played very well last year, but he's not
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Speaker 1: a breakaway back. He's not a guy who absolutely he
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Speaker 1: scares defenses in this sense. If you don't stop him,
10:40
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are going to be in in second or
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Speaker 1: four with very good down and distance, and that's a
10:46
Speaker 1: positive thing in this league. But you don't worry about
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Speaker 1: him taking a seventy five yards and you don't worry
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Speaker 1: about him ending the game on one play. Uh. I've
10:55
Speaker 1: got to think that in urban Meyer's offense, a having
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Speaker 1: a second ning back to compliment James Robinson would be
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Speaker 1: key no matter how fast he is. But this team
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Speaker 1: has got to get faster, and it wouldn't surprise me
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Speaker 1: if they took the fastest running back uh at tenny
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Speaker 1: Kid from Clems, maybe making it one two punch with
11:13
Speaker 1: Clemson one. Yeah, it's it's a one man show. Last year,
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Speaker 1: especially the second half of the season. That wasn't the
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Speaker 1: plan going in. They liked Riquel Armstead, but he was
11:24
Speaker 1: on the COVID ninth team list all season long, and
11:27
Speaker 1: then Chris Thompson was banged up a bit. The other
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Speaker 1: guys on the roster right now or Craig Reynolds, Divineo
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Speaker 1: Zigbo who has hurt a lot last year in Dario Gunboali,
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Speaker 1: who has had limited time over the years. Nathan Cottrell
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Speaker 1: is another guy at the running back position. Pure speed.
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Speaker 1: They didn't have that, As you said, John, that breakaway
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Speaker 1: home run threat. Whether it's E. T n or somebody
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Speaker 1: like that at five, I'm with you because you just
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Speaker 1: need some type of different back. James Robinson is no
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Speaker 1: longer going to surprise anybody either in the NFL. They've
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Speaker 1: had a season to watch this guy. How does he
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Speaker 1: perform in a second NFL season when teams are gunning
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Speaker 1: for him and know how to how to defend him
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Speaker 1: or will have a plan to defend him. And this
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Speaker 1: Jags running game, that's why they need a wrinkle. They
12:12
Speaker 1: need a speed around the end type of guy that
12:15
Speaker 1: can also go the distance. And maybe I only know
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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. I mean I don't. I don't follow college
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Speaker 1: football all that closely, and I didn't watch the Gators
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Speaker 1: to a degree like a lot of people do. But
12:25
Speaker 1: I do remember watching some Ohio State football and and
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Speaker 1: knowing the way he used as ekil elliott Um. I
12:32
Speaker 1: think Urban likes to run the ball. Um he's gonna
12:35
Speaker 1: throw it with the quarterback. That's, you know, the way
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Speaker 1: the game is played these days, But I just don't
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Speaker 1: know that I would be comfortable if I were him
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Speaker 1: with James Robinson, undrafted rookie free agent who had a
12:45
Speaker 1: great season, um for an undrafted rookie free agent and
12:49
Speaker 1: think that I'm good there, you know, Um, the speed
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Speaker 1: factor is important. UM, So I get what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: With Clemson kid, I I enjoyed watching the kid from
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Speaker 1: Alabama this year who was a big power back. And
13:02
Speaker 1: you play in a division that now has a couple
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Speaker 1: of big power backs. Um, obviously Derrick Henry and Jonathan
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Speaker 1: Taylor in Indianapolis. I wouldn't mind if they spent twenty
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Speaker 1: five or thirty three on the Harris kid from Alabama
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Speaker 1: because I thought he had better speed than a lot
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Speaker 1: of people. I mean, he's look, he's not the lightning
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Speaker 1: quick guy. Um, but I liked his power too. That's
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Speaker 1: a guy that interests me. Yeah. My biggest question is
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Speaker 1: who's there at twenty five because most mock drafts that
13:28
Speaker 1: I've seen they're also different. Is eighteen Miami Dolphins. They're
13:31
Speaker 1: taking a running back and just pick your pick of
13:33
Speaker 1: clemsoner Alabama, but most likely one of them will be
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Speaker 1: gone by the time yere at five. So those are
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Speaker 1: the questions. Part of this, part of this those started
13:42
Speaker 1: interrupted is the beauty of Urban Meyer offense. Right, if
13:45
Speaker 1: you had Ezekiel Elliott on your team, guess what, We're
13:48
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball a little bit more than we
13:49
Speaker 1: would if we didn't have Ezekiel Elliott on the team.
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Speaker 1: He can adjust to the personnel that he has. Now,
13:54
Speaker 1: you try to build what personnel is best for what
13:57
Speaker 1: you want to do in theory. But if it's there
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Speaker 1: and he's a he's a fantastic running back, let's run
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Speaker 1: the football at Ohio State. And when when things changed earlier,
14:07
Speaker 1: when they were different earlier, I should say they ran
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Speaker 1: a different style. So depending on what's there, that's what
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Speaker 1: Urban has been able to do throughout his career as
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Speaker 1: adjusted the personnel he has. Already moving on JP, you
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Speaker 1: are nicknamed Mr London for a reason. I don't know
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Speaker 1: about that, but you know, I was just thinking the
14:26
Speaker 1: schedule is gonna come out usually late April, right before
14:29
Speaker 1: the draft. I think last year was a little later
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Speaker 1: because of the COVID nineteen stuff going on. It was
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Speaker 1: early in May, but they didn't play any London games
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Speaker 1: last year. And remember during the Super Bowl and his
14:41
Speaker 1: media availability before Super Bowl down in Tampa. Roger Goodell
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Speaker 1: did not rule out London games this year, but that's
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Speaker 1: how I happened pretty quick. I would say like six
14:53
Speaker 1: months is probably what you need as as an NFL
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Speaker 1: as the league from a logistics standpoint to make those
15:00
Speaker 1: games feasible. So that means the clock sicking. That's what
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Speaker 1: March first today, March, April, May, June, July, August. That's
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Speaker 1: six months right there. Like I said last week, I'm
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Speaker 1: not a math guy. That's six months. Season starts in September.
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Speaker 1: It could be a little earlier this year if they
15:16
Speaker 1: had a seventeenth game, So at some point in the
15:19
Speaker 1: next month or so, you've got to kind of make
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Speaker 1: a call, especially if they're going to be early London games,
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Speaker 1: or those games could get pushed back, if they're pushed
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Speaker 1: back at all. And then you have to go back
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Speaker 1: and look at, obviously what's going on with COVID nineteen
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Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom, and do you want to fly
15:34
Speaker 1: in the NFL two NFL franchises across over there for
15:37
Speaker 1: a week's worth of work and then a football game.
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Speaker 1: Are their fans going to be allowed all of that
15:43
Speaker 1: has to be to determine as well. But if they're
15:45
Speaker 1: going to do it, it has to happen pretty quick
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, before the schedule actually starts to come
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Speaker 1: out and late. Wouldn't you guys be surprised if there
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Speaker 1: was London this year? Much of the logistics that JP
15:58
Speaker 1: talked about. I mean, it's uh with the not knowing
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Speaker 1: right now to schedule something into that. Uh, maybe there
16:09
Speaker 1: would be a contingency plan where they could do it,
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Speaker 1: if if if if if, But I'd be surprised. Well,
16:15
Speaker 1: if you follow the news at all, um of what's
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Speaker 1: happening in Europe, they're just starting to get to that
16:23
Speaker 1: that hurt immunity point in Great Britain where the um
16:28
Speaker 1: where the vaccines and people are are coming back towards normal,
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Speaker 1: And from what I read, it sounds like they're very
16:35
Speaker 1: cautious about it still because they don't want any setbacks.
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Speaker 1: So if I'm Great Britain, if I'm London, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to introduce this until I'm sure, and
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Speaker 1: it may still be a couple of months. So um,
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Speaker 1: I would be surprised if it wasn't back in two
16:51
Speaker 1: but I would be surprised if it was back. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think for sure, making this happen
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Speaker 1: a couple of months does not seem likely. All Right,
17:01
Speaker 1: the Jaguars should pay attention to what is going on
17:03
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks in Houston and Seattle. And I don't say
17:07
Speaker 1: this because they will trade for Deshaun Wasp Watson or
17:11
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, but it really it would be wow, it
17:19
Speaker 1: would be all now, that would be a headliner. I
17:26
Speaker 1: didn't like how Russell Wilson. Wilson came out there and
17:30
Speaker 1: said all these teams that he would be okay with
17:32
Speaker 1: playing with if that's my franchise quarterback. I don't like that.
17:36
Speaker 1: That gives me a sour taste in my mouth. And
17:37
Speaker 1: if I'm on the Jaguars, I'm paying attention to the
17:40
Speaker 1: drama and all the issues that happened in Houston, and
17:43
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, do not screw this up with
17:46
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Pay attention to the steps that happened, and
17:49
Speaker 1: John do the complete opposite. Yeah, I'm so old. Here
17:54
Speaker 1: we go again, Why does it I can we mentioned
17:57
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. It always turns to you be or Russell
18:01
Speaker 1: Wilson or or Jalen Ramsey. You signed a contract just
18:08
Speaker 1: within the last year or so for the the last two
18:10
Speaker 1: years they've paid you. I think you made the point, Brian,
18:14
Speaker 1: part of when the quarterbacks signed these deals. Um, maybe
18:20
Speaker 1: they didn't realize it when they signed it, but moving forward,
18:23
Speaker 1: you know, I think there has to be conversation overall
18:26
Speaker 1: between team agent and maybe I'm just being naive or whatever,
18:30
Speaker 1: that these are contracts that tie you to the team.
18:35
Speaker 1: It's almost like a marriage for better or for worse.
18:37
Speaker 1: You can't mean you can't have financial security, which is
18:41
Speaker 1: what they're getting, an incredible financial, generational financial absolutely the
18:46
Speaker 1: kind that the average American will never know. You can't
18:49
Speaker 1: have that end professional flexibility. In other words, I'm here today,
18:54
Speaker 1: I'm gone next year. Depending on what you do. You
18:56
Speaker 1: can't have both. So if you want it, you can
18:58
Speaker 1: have a year to year deal which may guarantee you
19:01
Speaker 1: a quarterback million dollars this year, but it's not going
19:04
Speaker 1: to guarantee a hundred million dollars over the next five
19:06
Speaker 1: or six. Choose which one do you want? Yeah, you know,
19:13
Speaker 1: I know the young uns out there are are going
19:15
Speaker 1: to say, old man Osier with this I don't think so.
19:17
Speaker 1: I think you can understand this now. I mean most
19:21
Speaker 1: of what you read is, oh, this is great. The
19:22
Speaker 1: players are getting their way. And you know I have
19:26
Speaker 1: always said, if you go back to twenty five years
19:28
Speaker 1: of me covering this league, players should be paid at
19:31
Speaker 1: the absolute maximum of what they can learn. I never
19:35
Speaker 1: say that they shouldn't be paid their money. It's it's
19:38
Speaker 1: a high risk game. They are, and it's a it's
19:43
Speaker 1: the ultimate capital system, meaning if if you're good enough
19:47
Speaker 1: at this, then you deserve to make a absolute force
19:50
Speaker 1: and make what you can get. The other side of
19:52
Speaker 1: that is, once you signed the contract, Once you signed
19:54
Speaker 1: the deal, I don't know that you should be able
19:55
Speaker 1: to just flip teams whenever you want. Now, I'm with you,
19:58
Speaker 1: and as the young in I see both sides. It
20:01
Speaker 1: is the equivalent. My dad was talking about this. He
20:03
Speaker 1: was like, Ashley, what if you just called up your
20:06
Speaker 1: boss's Patrick and Dave one day and said, you know what,
20:09
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go work for the Tennessee Titans because I
20:12
Speaker 1: want to and they're gonna treat me better. They would say, well,
20:15
Speaker 1: you have a job here, so that's great and all,
20:17
Speaker 1: but we'll see it work tomorrow. It is very equivalent
20:19
Speaker 1: to that. When you compare it to a normal day
20:22
Speaker 1: to day job of a normal person. That would be
20:25
Speaker 1: absolutely outlandish to say. But it's especially contract ty tying
20:31
Speaker 1: your services here, and that's what it is. Right, sign
20:35
Speaker 1: the contract if you don't want to live up to
20:37
Speaker 1: the contract. Yeah, it's it's a well you mentioned that
20:42
Speaker 1: there are some people out there that that like the
20:44
Speaker 1: idea of players having more control. Um, they always had
20:49
Speaker 1: the control over the number of years of a contract
20:52
Speaker 1: they wanted to sign, right, They always could just take
20:54
Speaker 1: the franchise tag. They could always negotiate. I want a
20:57
Speaker 1: short term deal, a short term deal. I want to
20:58
Speaker 1: keep re evaluating the market year to year. So it's
21:03
Speaker 1: not like control is new. What you've got is young
21:05
Speaker 1: guys who are trying to hold their team's hostage. And
21:08
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey set the set the bar and his agent
21:12
Speaker 1: David Mulghetta, who happens to be Deshaun Watson's agent, and
21:15
Speaker 1: they're there make kind of like Kurt Flood died in baseball, right.
21:18
Speaker 1: He introduced free agency back in the early seventies with
21:21
Speaker 1: his you know, landmark lawsuit and change the professional sports
21:25
Speaker 1: for good. I kind of see will Ghetta and Ramsey
21:29
Speaker 1: and Watson trying to give the players that sort of leverage.
21:33
Speaker 1: But the last I checked, these are multibillion dollar franchises
21:38
Speaker 1: and the owners ultimately have the greatest leverage. But they've
21:41
Speaker 1: got to say no. I said at the time, I
21:43
Speaker 1: would have let Jalen sit. Yeah, I would have been
21:45
Speaker 1: sit and sit and sit and rest his back. Yeah,
21:48
Speaker 1: he had to rest. It's it's it's a it's a
21:50
Speaker 1: bad precedent, and quarterbacks leaving is bad for franchise. To
21:55
Speaker 1: ask anyone in Seattle or Houston if those two quarterbacks leave,
21:59
Speaker 1: if they're in favor. She sort of get the idea.
22:01
Speaker 1: And I don't know Russell Wilson, but from some of
22:04
Speaker 1: the tweets and some of the reports that Seattle isn't
22:09
Speaker 1: I'm saying they're not taking it seriously, but they're not overly.
22:12
Speaker 1: There's no thought they're going to trade him now. And
22:15
Speaker 1: you almost get the idea that they're saying, Okay, let
22:17
Speaker 1: him have his the time where he's talking about well,
22:22
Speaker 1: I mean, what was he saying about about about the
22:25
Speaker 1: coach and his his son, right, I mean he said
22:27
Speaker 1: they don't answer to anybody, I mean, did you seem
22:31
Speaker 1: like a temper tantrum? Yeah, a little bit, just one
22:33
Speaker 1: of those weeks. I guess you could say, all right,
22:36
Speaker 1: did you hear this? John Oser Steve White from the
22:39
Speaker 1: NFL Network. We always catch up with him at the
22:42
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. Lovely, lovely guy, always very happy to talk
22:46
Speaker 1: to the Jaguars. John Oser caught up with him on
22:49
Speaker 1: the ozone podcast Check it Out. The end day was
22:52
Speaker 1: so cool because the players have guaranteed contract, right, so
22:56
Speaker 1: in terms of them fighting their tongue, that didn't really
22:59
Speaker 1: rapid mean, these guys spoke their minds freely back in
23:03
Speaker 1: the nineties, right even back in the nineties and early
23:05
Speaker 1: two thousand's. Um, when I've covered it, I'll never could
23:08
Speaker 1: get you know, when I cover the Miami Heat. These
23:10
Speaker 1: are the first great run of Heat teams, you know,
23:13
Speaker 1: the Lonzo Morning Morning and Tim Hardaway and Jamal Mashburn
23:15
Speaker 1: and Dan Marley, Tim Hardaway, you know, Perennial All Star
23:19
Speaker 1: was like Steve, we know you can't always write good
23:21
Speaker 1: stuff about us, we get that, but if you're coming
23:24
Speaker 1: with a bombshell or you're coming with some really heavy stuff,
23:27
Speaker 1: let's let us know, like, hey, man, I got I
23:30
Speaker 1: hate doing this, but this is coming, you know, in
23:32
Speaker 1: tomorrow's paper or whatever, and they get it. It gives
23:35
Speaker 1: him a chance to respond prepare. So even if I
23:38
Speaker 1: can't get to Jared Goff or Deshaun watch whenever I
23:43
Speaker 1: gotta call the teams and hey, look, I I gotta
23:45
Speaker 1: let you know this is coming out of somebody said
23:47
Speaker 1: this about your guy. That's good journalism. And too often
23:51
Speaker 1: right now, work for the quick to get it up online,
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, get it out on Twitter as soon as possible,
23:56
Speaker 1: and we neglect that step. And that's how come we
23:58
Speaker 1: have so much you know, distrust, blurredlines, people picking sides,
24:04
Speaker 1: and what we do in this business down And I
24:06
Speaker 1: really hate how that part of a lot of professionalism
24:09
Speaker 1: has been co opted in the name of clicks or
24:11
Speaker 1: in the name of getting visitors to your own personal
24:14
Speaker 1: blog things like that. Here's the thing that indeed drives
24:18
Speaker 1: me nuts about people who talk about NBA contracts and
24:23
Speaker 1: NFL contracts. And there's always people out there who can't
24:27
Speaker 1: figure out why NBA players and and baseball players make
24:35
Speaker 1: so much more than NFL players by comparison, even even
24:38
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, even the high end, and what I don't
24:40
Speaker 1: grasp it. I don't think this was Steve's point, but
24:43
Speaker 1: it's sort of got me thinking. There's more NFL players.
24:48
Speaker 1: Of course you can pay, and of course the NBA
24:51
Speaker 1: players can have more control over the situation. When you've
24:54
Speaker 1: got maybe seven players an NBA team who matter, you
24:58
Speaker 1: can pay them all in these or an amount of
25:00
Speaker 1: money compared to the cat because they're the only guys
25:02
Speaker 1: that matter. In the NFL, you've got sixty five guys
25:05
Speaker 1: to pay thirty five who matter, so you're never going
25:10
Speaker 1: to get even Aaron Rodgers. And I guess my homes
25:14
Speaker 1: was the difference. But those kind of contracts are going
25:17
Speaker 1: to be rare because you simply cannot pay NFL players
25:20
Speaker 1: as mentions you pay baseball players. All right, it is
25:23
Speaker 1: time for our favorite game. Let me get out my timer.
25:26
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys to it this week? Everybody asked?
25:31
Speaker 1: Was everyone asked? Everyone asked what I said across the
25:35
Speaker 1: brook that guy? All right, Ashland is up with the
25:41
Speaker 1: first question, and JP, should the Jaguars volunteer for hard Knocks?
25:47
Speaker 1: They can volunteer and put themselves on the show. Should
25:50
Speaker 1: they do it? Thirty seconds go should they yes? Will
25:55
Speaker 1: they no? I think urban Meyer it's his vision around here,
25:59
Speaker 1: as we heard stud Conca right after they hired him,
26:02
Speaker 1: and I don't think that vision includes other people's looking
26:05
Speaker 1: into this organization while they're building the organization, at least
26:09
Speaker 1: the first year. Should they sure it'd be great for business,
26:13
Speaker 1: be great for ticket sales, be great for merchandise. Will
26:16
Speaker 1: they know? I don't think so. All right, No, god, no, no.
26:23
Speaker 1: Having those cameras around you know about old man, get
26:26
Speaker 1: off my lawn. Oh way do I want hard knocks here?
26:30
Speaker 1: It's prerely personal. And by the way, that all generated
26:34
Speaker 1: from an NFL dot com writer linking to a story
26:36
Speaker 1: from two thousand and twelve. I get no feeling. And
26:40
Speaker 1: then he had a premonition that Dave was gonna come.
26:43
Speaker 1: They're not gonna volunteer for it. I get no feeling
26:45
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. No, no, no, Brian, I'll answer quickly. No.
26:49
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll need to. Uh. Trevor Lawrence and
26:52
Speaker 1: urban Meyer by themselves will have the national media here
26:55
Speaker 1: and cameras here all the time, so they don't need
26:58
Speaker 1: to do this. But I will go back to Jaguar
26:59
Speaker 1: summer two thousand and four, UM, and and having those
27:03
Speaker 1: cameras around, it wasn't as intrusive as you thought. I
27:08
Speaker 1: that production crew from NFL Films did an excellent job.
27:11
Speaker 1: They were on every plane, they were on the practice fields,
27:13
Speaker 1: they were around. But it wasn't so overpowering that it
27:17
Speaker 1: would be um intrusive. I just didn't think it was.
27:21
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't do this because I want to. I'd
27:23
Speaker 1: want to quietly do it my way, and I don't
27:25
Speaker 1: think I need them. So you have it, all right?
27:27
Speaker 1: I guess the answers. No, I'll move on JP. What
27:30
Speaker 1: do you got they might do INWO be forced to
27:34
Speaker 1: at that point? But all right, here's my question. If
27:37
Speaker 1: the Jaguars win eight or more games this year, five
27:41
Speaker 1: or better, should Urban Meyer get consideration as coach of
27:45
Speaker 1: the year in the National Football League? John, Yes, it
27:49
Speaker 1: would be wouldn't be a record turnaround, but it would
27:54
Speaker 1: be up there on the lists. Uh. If you deal
27:57
Speaker 1: with the rookie quarterback, I don't care how good he
27:59
Speaker 1: is as literally, if they went eight nighth that said,
28:01
Speaker 1: it's a seven game improvement, you'd be in the conversation.
28:04
Speaker 1: You'd be talked about all year. Uh. Yeah, he should
28:06
Speaker 1: be considered for Yes, I'm sorry, yes he should and
28:11
Speaker 1: not just that, but personnel guy of the year too, right,
28:14
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is his show here, um and
28:17
Speaker 1: and being facetious, but the reality of it is is
28:19
Speaker 1: if he gets to eight and eight, he's done a
28:21
Speaker 1: good job bringing the right players in here, and not
28:23
Speaker 1: just the quarterback, but getting this team and lifting it up.
28:26
Speaker 1: So I would say, yes, absolutely, he should be. In
28:28
Speaker 1: the conversation bring us home Ash, I say yes as well.
28:32
Speaker 1: And I cringed a little when John said a seven
28:35
Speaker 1: game improvements like that hurts, but yeah, absolutely, I mean
28:39
Speaker 1: eight and eight you take that any day with the
28:42
Speaker 1: like John said, rookie quarterback and the first year and
28:45
Speaker 1: the biggest question was Canner been doing in the NFL?
28:47
Speaker 1: That would absolutely prove yes, he can do it. It
28:50
Speaker 1: is difficult to win ten games. It's difficult to win eight.
28:54
Speaker 1: That would be the second best record since I've been here,
28:57
Speaker 1: by the way, and eight that's let's talk about cringe,
29:01
Speaker 1: all right. Fact, yeah, we can go quick on this one.
29:04
Speaker 1: It's a whole idea. What rookie outside James Robinson, are
29:10
Speaker 1: you most interested in next season? Rookie? Probably because he
29:17
Speaker 1: came on so strong at the end of the year,
29:20
Speaker 1: not in terms of sacks, but in terms of explosiveness
29:22
Speaker 1: in the way that he attacked the pocket. Um They'll
29:25
Speaker 1: try to get the most out of him. If you've
29:27
Speaker 1: got Josh Allen and maybe a free agent defensive tackle
29:29
Speaker 1: in there, he should be better. So I'll say Jason
29:31
Speaker 1: because the pass rush didn't exist last year. I like it.
29:35
Speaker 1: I'm going Colin Johnson to take a step in the
29:38
Speaker 1: right direction and have all eyes on him, especially if
29:41
Speaker 1: the Jaguars don't swing big for free agency him bringing
29:44
Speaker 1: a big time number one guy, I think uh, And
29:47
Speaker 1: especially if they don't bring back healing cold then you
29:49
Speaker 1: really have your eyes on Colin Johnson. And we saw
29:51
Speaker 1: some flashes. I'd like to see some more of him.
29:55
Speaker 1: I'll go Lovisca Tional Jr. Can he stay on the
29:59
Speaker 1: field a little bit. He has those little knicks and
30:02
Speaker 1: he gets banged up a little bit. That was m
30:04
Speaker 1: O in college as well. Because of the way he plays.
30:06
Speaker 1: He's such a big, physical player. He takes a lot
30:10
Speaker 1: of hits. Can he adjust to that in the NFL?
30:13
Speaker 1: Or is that just going to be him moving forward?
30:16
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at Levisco. Alrighty Brian, bring us home
30:20
Speaker 1: your question. Um. Covid obviously changed the the out of
30:23
Speaker 1: season program a year ago. UM and J. C. Treader,
30:27
Speaker 1: who is the center for Cleveland and who is also
30:30
Speaker 1: the players Association president, has suggested that that is now
30:36
Speaker 1: the model going forward because the quality of play in
30:39
Speaker 1: his eyes and the player's eyes, did not drop significantly.
30:43
Speaker 1: So he wants a detached offseason program. O T A
30:48
Speaker 1: s uh waits the whole nine yards. Um, he didn't
30:51
Speaker 1: want to show up to camp. In other words, only voluntary. Um,
30:55
Speaker 1: in your mind, should they do that? Is that the
30:58
Speaker 1: way of the future? In my mind, no, because I'm
31:03
Speaker 1: an old man. But now and I could see some
31:07
Speaker 1: sort of separation, meaning if you're in your third year
31:13
Speaker 1: or forward, perhaps have it. I mean it's already voluntary,
31:19
Speaker 1: so it's hard to get your mind around this you
31:21
Speaker 1: really talking about. But I think new head coaches and
31:25
Speaker 1: young players still need an O. T A. I bet
31:28
Speaker 1: if you went and asked Jaguars rookies from last year
31:32
Speaker 1: or guys, uh, guys who are in their second year
31:36
Speaker 1: last year and here didn't take a huge jump, and
31:38
Speaker 1: you wonder if the offseason had something to do well.
31:40
Speaker 1: The guy that I would ask be Matt Rule to
31:42
Speaker 1: coach at Carolina because he came in not having a
31:44
Speaker 1: chance to do it JP and and had to pick
31:46
Speaker 1: it up and go. But uh, you know, if the
31:48
Speaker 1: players have so much more leverage all of a sudden,
31:50
Speaker 1: as we're seeing DeShawn Watson and Russell Wilson work on,
31:53
Speaker 1: have they changed it forever? I don't know if it's
31:55
Speaker 1: good for young players. I think you still need some
31:59
Speaker 1: on field work at some point. Um, you know, like
32:02
Speaker 1: you were saying, especially the young guys, get them out
32:04
Speaker 1: there a rookie camp of some kind. Maybe you know,
32:08
Speaker 1: uh that that's very important to get guys acclimated for
32:11
Speaker 1: your system. How you do it on the field, it's
32:13
Speaker 1: different when you see it in person. I think there's
32:15
Speaker 1: some positives. Though. There were some positives from people learning
32:18
Speaker 1: how to do the zoom meetings and all that, and
32:20
Speaker 1: we saw James Robinson figured it out, you know, he
32:23
Speaker 1: didn't have to be on the field in the off season.
32:25
Speaker 1: But I don't think this is going to be the
32:27
Speaker 1: permanent way of going about business there. There might be
32:30
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mix of the online meeting
32:32
Speaker 1: room space. You still have to have some on the
32:34
Speaker 1: field work. Yes, I think it hurts. I hate to
32:37
Speaker 1: be this girl, the raw, raw girl. It hurts the
32:39
Speaker 1: team camaraderie, the togetherness, that's what's great about football, and
32:43
Speaker 1: I think it hurts that. Like you saw the off
32:45
Speaker 1: season workouts with Gardner Minshew on the field and it
32:48
Speaker 1: was a couple of receivers and that's their first time meeting.
32:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that, but I do
32:52
Speaker 1: think the biggest changes. I don't know if we'll ever
32:55
Speaker 1: see four preseason games ever again. I think you'll see three,
32:58
Speaker 1: maybe even less. Those day I think are very far over.
33:01
Speaker 1: Here's a question you have to ask. I know her
33:03
Speaker 1: way over time that I'm passionate if if you cut
33:08
Speaker 1: out the off season, and I have never been a
33:10
Speaker 1: guy who thinks it should be mandatory. When we were kids,
33:12
Speaker 1: there wasn't an off season until training camp started, and
33:14
Speaker 1: it was six weeks long. But you had six weeks
33:16
Speaker 1: of training came season games. So now if if you
33:21
Speaker 1: take no off season, then you ask yourself, you've you've
33:26
Speaker 1: essentially got what about two and a half weeks of
33:30
Speaker 1: training camp now realistically until you get into your game
33:34
Speaker 1: plan mode. So what what people who listen to this,
33:38
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them realize, but some may not.
33:40
Speaker 1: There's really not any teaching that goes on during the
33:43
Speaker 1: regular season in the NFL. It's game plan. Let's get
33:46
Speaker 1: ready for the next opponent. So if if you're hiring
33:50
Speaker 1: coaches and you're criticizing coaches for not developing players, and
33:57
Speaker 1: you make it to where there's no off season, then
33:59
Speaker 1: when you're gonna develop them, yeah, I mean two and
34:03
Speaker 1: a half weeks a year you have a chance to
34:04
Speaker 1: get your hands on these guys. So don't criticize the
34:08
Speaker 1: coaches for not developing players if you take away the
34:11
Speaker 1: off season, because then their job is not developing anymore.
34:14
Speaker 1: It's strictly game plan. Roll the ball out, let's go. Well.
34:17
Speaker 1: To wrap the thought up, we probably will see some
34:20
Speaker 1: hybrid system this year because there's still so many things
34:24
Speaker 1: that aren't back to what it was before. It'll be
34:27
Speaker 1: interesting to see in two uh, you know, if the
34:31
Speaker 1: herd immunity has been reached and we're back with full stadiums,
34:34
Speaker 1: If if it goes back, or if it changes. But
34:37
Speaker 1: this year, I think you can book on it being
34:39
Speaker 1: a hybrid system. Yep Curious April five, if they roll in,
34:44
Speaker 1: that's the first players can roll back in. I'm curious
34:48
Speaker 1: to see if that happens. That's the first step to
34:50
Speaker 1: that offseason program. So we'll see. Now you have it,
34:53
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