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Mega Edition: The Investigation Into Bryan Kohberger During The First 2 Weeks In Jan 2023 (10/9/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Today
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  Speaker 1: we're going to dive right back in to the morning
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  Speaker 1: update and take a look at what we might have
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  Speaker 1: missed overnight. And to do that, once again, we'll be
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  Speaker 1: using the independent. Headline, Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger to
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  Speaker 1: face victim's family at extradition hearing as motive unclear. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by Andrea Blanco, Rachel Sharp, and Alicia
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  Speaker 1: Rockman Sarkar. Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger will face some
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  Speaker 1: of the victim's families in court on Tuesday as he
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  Speaker 1: appears for his extradition hearing. Now, we know that that
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  Speaker 1: is scheduled to take place today, and it should be
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  Speaker 1: a short proceeding where he goes in, he waives his
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  Speaker 1: right to extradition, and then the process starts from there
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  Speaker 1: of him being moved to Idaho to face justice for
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  Speaker 1: his alleged crimes. The 28-year-old criminology PhD student is set
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  Speaker 1: to waive his extradition rights, kick-starting the process of transporting
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  Speaker 1: him to Pennsylvania, to Idaho, where he faces the murder charges.
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves' father has vowed to be in court to
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  Speaker 1: ensure his daughter's alleged killer is sick of knowing that
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  Speaker 1: these people won't let it go. And I expected nothing
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  Speaker 1: different from Mr. Gonsalves, to be honest with you. As
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  Speaker 1: adamant as he was throughout this whole thing, and as
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  Speaker 1: passionate as he was about finding justice for his daughter,
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  Speaker 1: I had zero doubt that he would be in the
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  Speaker 1: court the whole entire time as this trial was underway.
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  Speaker 1: Following the hearing, the suspect could be back in Idaho
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  Speaker 1: as soon as Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning, according to
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  Speaker 1: his public defender, Jason Labar. Once he returns to Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: new details will likely emerge about what led authorities to
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  Speaker 1: arrest him on suspicion of the murders of Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin in Moscow on November 13th,
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  Speaker 1: with a criminal complaint expected to be unsealed. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to learn a lot more, right? As of now,
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  Speaker 1: everything's just a prelim. All we have to go on
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  Speaker 1: is what the investigators have to say, what the police
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  Speaker 1: have to say about the evidence that they have in
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  Speaker 1: their possession that paints Brian Koberger as the murderer. Well,
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  Speaker 1: in our society, the public has a right to see
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  Speaker 1: that information as well. And that is all going to
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  Speaker 1: occur once this extradition happens. Under Idaho law, we can't
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  Speaker 1: see that stuff until he is presented to a judge
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  Speaker 1: in Idaho. Police arrested Mr. Kohlberger on Friday after a
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  Speaker 1: seven-week investigation into the horrific killings. Many questions still remain,
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  Speaker 1: including the alleged motive for the brutal stabbings and what
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  Speaker 1: connection the accused killer may have to the victims. The
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  Speaker 1: murder weapon is yet to be found. And I would
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  Speaker 1: say that this murder weapon is long gone at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt that he kept it around or had it
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  Speaker 1: stashed somewhere. But again, he might have. There has been
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  Speaker 1: some criminologists out there who said people like this, they
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get rid of the weapon because it
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  Speaker 1: gives them ties back to, you know, the moment where
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  Speaker 1: they committed their crimes. And I'm sure that's the case
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  Speaker 1: most of the time or sometimes anyway with these serial
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  Speaker 1: killers and killers that do these sorts of crimes. But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't strike me as something that Koberger would be doing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the caveat to that is If he took some sort
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  Speaker 1: of souvenir from the crime scene, which we haven't heard yet,
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  Speaker 1: but if he did, then maybe he is somebody who
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  Speaker 1: has these fetishes, right? Who keeps things like the murder
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  Speaker 1: weapon or something from the crime scene. But so far,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't look like that is the sort of person
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  Speaker 1: we're dealing with here. Motive remains unknown. The motive for
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  Speaker 1: the murders of the four University of Idaho students remains unclear.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that this is the million dollar question
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  Speaker 1: at this point that a lot of people want to
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  Speaker 1: know the answer to. Why would Brian Koberger allegedly target
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  Speaker 1: these girls and then attack them and murder them while
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  Speaker 1: they're in their bed? What could drive you to such
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  Speaker 1: an action? And I think a lot of people out
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  Speaker 1: there are really wondering and they want to know why
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  Speaker 1: these attacks occurred. Unfortunately, we may never know. Unless the
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  Speaker 1: investigators can uncover it, there's nothing to say that Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger is going to be receptive to speaking about what
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  Speaker 1: happened here. In fact, my guess is he's going to
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  Speaker 1: play coy. Brian Koberger, 28, was arrested on Friday, accused
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  Speaker 1: of stabbing the four victims to death back on November 13th. Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger was a PhD student in criminology at Washington State University,
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  Speaker 1: living and working around 10 miles from the home of
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  Speaker 1: where the murders took place. Moscow police have kept the
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  Speaker 1: details about what led them to the suspect under wraps,
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  Speaker 1: and the criminal complaint will remain sealed until Mr. Koberger
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  Speaker 1: is extradited back to Idaho. No obvious link has been
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  Speaker 1: found between the victims and the suspected killer, and it
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  Speaker 1: is unclear if he knew any of the four students
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  Speaker 1: prior to the murders. And besides some links about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger following Maddie and Kaylee on social media, at least
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram, there really are no discernible links that we
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  Speaker 1: can point to. However, that doesn't mean that this man
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  Speaker 1: didn't target them, didn't see them at the store, didn't
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  Speaker 1: see them while they were working at the Mad Greek
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  Speaker 1: or somewhere else and decide that these are going to
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  Speaker 1: be the people that I target. And sometimes there's no
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  Speaker 1: more motive than just that. These psychopaths see somebody, then
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  Speaker 1: they say, look, that's going to be my target. They
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  Speaker 1: become obsessed. And before you know it, they're carrying out
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  Speaker 1: their sick, disgusting, depraved fantasies. However, Kaylee Gonsalves' father, Steve Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: told ABC News that he had found unnamed connections between
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  Speaker 1: the suspect and the daughter, but was not ready to
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  Speaker 1: reveal what these potential ties are. And we can only
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  Speaker 1: guess at this point. None of us know. None of
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  Speaker 1: us have the information that the investigators have or Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves has. So my guess is there's some sort of
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  Speaker 1: link there as far as social media or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: because that sure does make a lot of sense. And
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  Speaker 1: when we're in a connected world like we're in, it's
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  Speaker 1: not like the old days, right? These sickos have access
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  Speaker 1: to everybody's profile, everybody's social media accounts. And it sure
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  Speaker 1: makes picking out people to be their targets a whole
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  Speaker 1: hell of a lot easier, doesn't it? Pretty scary to
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  Speaker 1: think like that, but that's just the new terrain we're in, folks.
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  Speaker 1: That's the new playing field we find ourselves on. And
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  Speaker 1: social media is playing a huge part in that. Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger stopped by police twice on the 2,500 mile road
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  Speaker 1: trip with dad before the arrest. A criminology student accused
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  Speaker 1: of killing four University of Idaho students was stopped by
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  Speaker 1: the police twice as he and his father made the 2,500-mile
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  Speaker 1: cross-country trip from Washington State to Pennsylvania in the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: that has been at the center of the murder mystery
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  Speaker 1: probe that has been revealed. Suspected killer Brian Koberger, 28,
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  Speaker 1: drove from Pullman, Washington to his home state of Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: last month to celebrate the holidays with his family. So
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  Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about this previously, and
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering if it was a pre-planned trip or
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  Speaker 1: if it was spur of the moment. And it comes
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  Speaker 1: out that this was a pre-planned trip. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's not as suspect as it would be if it
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  Speaker 1: was something that was spur of the moment. And I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of people are going to make the
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  Speaker 1: leap and start connecting, you know, his parents to this
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  Speaker 1: and saying they were involved. But that's a big leap.
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  Speaker 1: And until there's some evidence that's provided one way or
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  Speaker 1: the other, I think it's way premature to start, you know,
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  Speaker 1: saying that his parents helped him out or whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: like everything else with this case. We have to let
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  Speaker 1: things evolve and we have to let things grow into
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  Speaker 1: whatever they're going to become. Because as of now, we
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  Speaker 1: only have a very little bit of evidence. And all
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  Speaker 1: of the evidence that we do have is circumstantial. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the investigators don't have the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: My guess is they have a lot of it. If
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  Speaker 1: they went to these lengths to go after Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: the way they did. You would think that inside of
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  Speaker 1: those charging documents, inside of that probable cause affidavit, there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be some compelling evidence that would make the
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  Speaker 1: investigators and make the judge sign off on the warrant
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  Speaker 1: and progress this whole entire thing to the point where
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  Speaker 1: we see it at right now. Grieving families of slain
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  Speaker 1: University of Idaho students thank the police. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a big change from the beginning, right? At least for Mr. Gonsalves.
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  Speaker 1: The Gonsalves family was very critical of the work that
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  Speaker 1: the police department was doing in the initial phases of
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  Speaker 1: this investigation. And look, I can't blame them. I would
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  Speaker 1: have been the same way. I would have been out
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  Speaker 1: of my mind, insane, demanding justice, especially considering the day
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  Speaker 1: and age we live in. Very rarely does anyone get
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  Speaker 1: away with something like this. So as a father or
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  Speaker 1: a loved one of these people who were murdered, these
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  Speaker 1: kids who were murdered, you're expecting somebody to be arrested
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And when that doesn't happen, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: have all of this pain that you're already suffering through
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  Speaker 1: with losing your child. And now you feel like you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to get justice. And it just launches you
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  Speaker 1: into orbit and pushes you over the edge. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's where Mr. Gonsalves was at. He was frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: He was grieving. He was in pain. And the police
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  Speaker 1: were the ones conducting the investigation. So they were suffering
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  Speaker 1: the brunt of his frustrations. but now that there's a
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  Speaker 1: suspect in custody it's a different tone a different tenor
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  Speaker 1: and it should be the idea is to hold the
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  Speaker 1: authorities accountable the idea is to make sure you hold
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  Speaker 1: their feet to the fire But when they do a
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  Speaker 1: good job, you have to tip your cap to them
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  Speaker 1: and recognize the fantastic work that's been done by the investigators.
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  Speaker 1: And certainly here, after all of the criticism, after all
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  Speaker 1: of the talk about the investigation being stalled, they make
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  Speaker 1: this arrest and say that they got their guy. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the right thing to do for the
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  Speaker 1: families to come out and show support now. And I
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  Speaker 1: also think that people need to understand that they were
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  Speaker 1: going through something, Mr. Gonsalves and the rest of these families,
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  Speaker 1: that is so horrendous, so absolutely debilitating, that we don't
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  Speaker 1: know how we would react in a situation like that.
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  Speaker 1: So the criticism of Mr. Gonsalves, I've always thought was misplaced.
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  Speaker 1: and I always thought was a little bit ridiculous, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: This is a man who's grieving for his daughter who
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  Speaker 1: has been brutally murdered, and you're going to get up
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  Speaker 1: here and criticize this guy for his behavior and for
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  Speaker 1: the things he's saying? Absolutely absurd. But Mr. Gonsalves is
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  Speaker 1: now going to have his chance, like he said, to
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  Speaker 1: stare down the alleged killer of his daughter and get
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  Speaker 1: the justice that him and everyone else wants in this
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  Speaker 1: case so badly. All right, folks, that's going to do
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  Speaker 1: it for this morning update. If you'd like to contact me,
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the program. Today, we're going to jump right
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  Speaker 1: back into the headlines that we might have missed from
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  Speaker 1: overnight and see where things currently stand as of this morning.
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  Speaker 1: And to do that, once again, we'll be using The Independent. Headline,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho Murders. Kaylee Gonsalves' sister brands killer true evil amid
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's stalker claim. This article was authored by Rachel
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  Speaker 1: Sharp and Bevan Hurley. The grieving sister of slain University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho student Kaylee Gonsalves has branded her sibling's killer
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  Speaker 1: true evil after chilling new details came to light in
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  Speaker 1: suspect Brian Kohlberger's affidavit. Now think about how horrified we
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  Speaker 1: all were when we read that affidavit. Imagine being one
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  Speaker 1: of the family members of these murdered college kids and
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  Speaker 1: reading what happened in that affidavit. True evil only scratches
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  Speaker 1: the surface of what this scumbag really is. Olivia Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: told News Nation that the revelation that the 28-year-old criminology
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  Speaker 1: PhD student appears to have stalked the student home on
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  Speaker 1: King Road in Moscow at least 12 times prior to
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  Speaker 1: the November 13th murder's haunter. It is chilling to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine you're just hanging out in your house doing your
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  Speaker 1: daily deeds In the kitchen, washing dishes, playing with your dog,
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  Speaker 1: watching TV, whatever it is. And this sick son of
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  Speaker 1: a bitch is posted up somewhere outside watching what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Taking notes and getting ready to put an absolutely evil
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  Speaker 1: plan into motion. And these kids, they were unaware of
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  Speaker 1: what was going on. And it's chilling to think that
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  Speaker 1: it could happen to anybody. One of these sickos Gets
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  Speaker 1: it in their head that you're their target. And before
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  Speaker 1: you know it, they're hanging out outside of your house.
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  Speaker 1: Like Francis Dollarhide from the Red Dragon. We had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: She had no idea. I had no idea that True
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  Speaker 1: Evil was genuinely watching them, she said. That's been the
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  Speaker 1: hardest part of this. Is to sit back and look
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  Speaker 1: at the totality of it. When my sister was FaceTiming
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  Speaker 1: me about a new egg bites recipe. He was planning
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  Speaker 1: his next visit to the home. As well as cell
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  Speaker 1: phone data, the affidavit reveals other evidence also led them
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  Speaker 1: to the arrest of Mr. Kohlberger for the murders of Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Police said that
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  Speaker 1: his DNA was found on a knife sheath left behind
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  Speaker 1: at the scene and that the white Hyundai Elantra spotted
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  Speaker 1: at the crime scene was traced back to him. Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger to appear in court this week. Suspected killer Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger is expected to make his second court appearance in
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  Speaker 1: Idaho this week. A status hearing has been scheduled for
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  Speaker 1: January 12th at the Latah County Courthouse in Moscow, Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: The 28-year-old criminology Ph.D. student appeared before the Latah County
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  Speaker 1: Magistrate Judge for the first time on Thursday, where he
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  Speaker 1: was denied bail. The victim's family sobbed in the gallery
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  Speaker 1: while Mr. Koberger showed no emotions. And I would expect
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  Speaker 1: him not to show emotion throughout this whole entire ordeal.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly seems like the emotionless type of person to me.
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  Speaker 1: If you can sit there while these family members are
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  Speaker 1: sobbing and you don't even make eye contact with Mr. Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: you don't look at those family members. Dude has all
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  Speaker 1: of the characteristics, at least in my opinion, of a
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  Speaker 1: straight up coward. Any sort of bitch ass punk that's
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  Speaker 1: lurking around somebody's house And then has the audacity to
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  Speaker 1: go in and murder them while they're sleeping? Yeah, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: you are a fucking coward. As far as these court
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  Speaker 1: appearances go, they're going to start coming hot and heavy.
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  Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of them. And these
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  Speaker 1: court proceedings, they're going to take some time. The wheels
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  Speaker 1: of justice grind slowly, folks. But rest assured, they are
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  Speaker 1: grinding now. And Brian Koberger is directly in the crosshairs.
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle's family speaks out after affidavit release. The grieving
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  Speaker 1: family of victim Zanna Kernodle has spoken out after Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's affidavit was released on Thursday. Sheldon Kernodle tweeted on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday asking the public to put yourself in our family's
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  Speaker 1: shoes and to donate to the scholarship fund set up
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  Speaker 1: in memory of the University of Idaho student. And now
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  Speaker 1: when we get the revelations that we've gotten out of
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  Speaker 1: that affidavit, I can't even... think to try and put
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  Speaker 1: myself in the position of Mr. Kernodle. It's one thing
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  Speaker 1: to think about your daughter not suffering, right? Being asleep
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  Speaker 1: while it happened. And it's a whole different ball game
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  Speaker 1: when you find out that something completely different actually took place.
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  Speaker 1: So I can't even begin to understand what Mr. Kernodle
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  Speaker 1: is going through right now. And for them to Part
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  Speaker 1: of their grieving process is making sure that the memory
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  Speaker 1: of Zanna is never forgotten. And to do that, they've
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  Speaker 1: set up this scholarship fund. Please think about our family
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  Speaker 1: and all the other families involved. Find ways to support
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  Speaker 1: them as well. We must continue to remember the ones
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  Speaker 1: we lost. We have a long road ahead of us.
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  Speaker 1: It's all just so senseless. Like, there's no point to
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  Speaker 1: any of it. And the selfish piece of shit who
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  Speaker 1: took these kids away needs to be punished to the
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  Speaker 1: fullest extent of the law. And if you want to
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  Speaker 1: donate to this scholarship fund, a link will be in
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  Speaker 1: the description box in this article. Surviving roommate was scared
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  Speaker 1: to death of intruder, lawyer says. A surviving roommate of
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  Speaker 1: the four slain University of Idaho students was scared to
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  Speaker 1: death after seeing an intruder in their Moscow home. A
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  Speaker 1: lawyer for one of the victim's family says. Dylan Mortensen, 21,
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  Speaker 1: told police she saw a masked figure clad in black
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  Speaker 1: walk past her at 4 a.m. on the night the
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  Speaker 1: four students were killed, but didn't call 911 for another
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  Speaker 1: eight hours, according to the affidavit for suspect Brian Koberger. Now, look,
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  Speaker 1: I have questions just like the rest of you about
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  Speaker 1: why that phone call wasn't made. But for me. We
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  Speaker 1: don't have enough context to go one way or the
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  Speaker 1: other with that, right? All we have is what the
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  Speaker 1: police have told us, and all we have is what
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  Speaker 1: that affidavit says. And besides that, anything else is speculating.
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  Speaker 1: None of us know what this young lady was going
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  Speaker 1: through or what motivated her to not call 911. Was
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  Speaker 1: she on some kind of mind-altering substance? Maybe some kind
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  Speaker 1: of hallucinogenics or something? Who knows? But until we get
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  Speaker 1: more context, we really can't get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: that question, right? That's one that's going to remain unanswered
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  Speaker 1: until she gives us some clarification or the investigators give
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  Speaker 1: us some clarification. But it's a legitimate question to ask.
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  Speaker 1: Why wasn't that phone call made for all of these
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  Speaker 1: hours if you saw a masked man and all of
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  Speaker 1: this other stuff? However, you can't say what you would
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  Speaker 1: or wouldn't do until you're in that position. So I
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  Speaker 1: see people criticize her like she is the issue here.
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  Speaker 1: But the reality is, even if she would have called
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: 911 right away with the violent wounds and the violent
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: nature of the attack, there's nothing that anyone would have
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: been able to do unfortunately to save these kids anyway
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: so it's just such a sad situation all the way
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: around from top to bottom when you look at it
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and you look at all of the damage that this
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: has caused and I don't mean just to the obviously
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: murdered college kids and their families But the collateral damage,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the friends, the survivors, all of the people that they knew,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there are just so many different layers of pain and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: suffering when something like this happens that it's almost hard
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to quantify. And never mind if you're actually there while
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it happens, forget it. But as far as that 911
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: call goes or why that 911 call wasn't made, of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: course I want to know what motivated that. And I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: think everybody else does as well. But for me, I
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: think that my anger and my vitriol is much better
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: directed at the piece of shit who's responsible for this, right?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That poor girl, she's going to live with survivor's guilt
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for the rest of her life. And she's going to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: have to really go through it to try and get
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: over what happened here. And remember, for her, she's probably
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: going to have to testify at this trial. She's the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: only eyewitness who says that she saw somebody who saw
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the likeness of one Brian Koberger. So, chances are, this
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: ordeal has not even begun to wind down for the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: two roommates. Who was the intended target of the murders?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: From the early days of the investigation, authorities said that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the attack was targeted, but refused to reveal what led
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: them to that conclusion and who or what the target was.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: The 19-page affidavit reveals no details about what connection, if any,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger had to his alleged victims. The victims were
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: all students at the University of Idaho. Meanwhile, Mr. Koberger
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: was a criminal justice PhD student at Washington State University.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: He lived just 15 minutes from the victims over the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Idaho-Washington border in Pullman, having moved there to begin the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: PhD program in August. Despite the proximity, there is no
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: known connection between the victims and the accused killer. it
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is not clear if the victims even knew who Mr.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Koberger was. Gonsalves' father, Steve Gonsalves, told ABC News that
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: he had found unnamed connections between the suspect and the daughter,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: but was not ready to reveal what these potential ties were.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And I have no idea what those might be. However,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: as I've stated before, I know that Brian Koberger certainly
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was following Maddie and Kaylee both on Instagram. And when
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you put all of the pieces together that we have
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: available to us, it certainly looks like either Maddie or
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Kaylee were the target. And then you add a little
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: bit more from what we've heard from Mr. Gonsalves and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the nature of the wounds, and it leads me to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: believe that Kaylee was the target. But we certainly haven't
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: had any confirmation about that one way or the other.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: The investigation has been very coy. And they're certainly not
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: going to release anything like that, especially at this point
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in the proceedings. Everything's going to be done in a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: courtroom now. We're not going to get any information from
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the Moscow Police Department. Remember, they're under a gag order.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So everything we get is going to come from those
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: court filings. And like I said earlier, I'm going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: start adding those court filings later on today. We're going
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to do an episode later. And we're going to put
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: them all in that one episode so that you folks
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: can go back and listen to them. And that way
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we're keeping up with the official narrative as well as
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: curating the news as it comes out. All right, folks,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
• 23:43
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• 23:46
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• 23:55
  Speaker 1: me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Today, we're going to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: hop right back into some of the headlines from overnight
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and see where things currently stand as of this morning.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And to do that, once again, we're going to use
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: The Independent. Author of this article is Rachel Sharp. Idaho
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Murders Update. Brian Koberger appears to have no connection to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: student victims. Brian Koberger is accused of murdering Kaylee Gonsalves,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin in Moscow, Idaho
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: on November 13th. And I think we have to remember
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: with that that there's no known connections. That doesn't mean
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that later on we're not going to hear about connections
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that they had. Maybe, you know, strangers in the night passing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But at some point, one or more of these girls
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: came on Brian Koberger's radar. And according to authorities, that
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: led to their murder. So the question becomes, where did
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: they run into Brian Koberger originally? How did he even
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: find out about these girls and what those connections are?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And so far, we haven't heard anything from an official
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: source that would lead us to believe that they were
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: connected in any way. In fact, we've heard the complete opposite.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So while we usually have a situation like this, where
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the person responsible for the murders is somebody in the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: orbit of the people who were killed, this looks like
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: something different where Brian Koberger was aware of them, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: they weren't aware of Brian Koberger. The four University of
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Idaho students murdered in an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: had no known connection to their suspected killer, Brian Koberger,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: according to an attorney for one of the victim's families.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: No one knew of this guy at all, Shannon Gray,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: who represents the family of victim Kaylee Gonsalves, told Business Insider. Mr. Koberger,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a criminal justice PhD student at Washington State University, is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: charged with the murders of Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. The four students were found stabbed to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: death Back on November 13th, with the affidavit revealing that
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a surviving roommate came face-to-face with the mass killer inside
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the home in the early hours of the morning. Throughout
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the seven-week investigation that followed, Mr. Koberger continued with his
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: studies at nearby Washington State University. Classmates have now revealed
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that they noticed a change in behavior from the suspect,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: with the usually chatty student falling completely silent when the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: killings were discussed in class. And again, if you just
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: look at that on its own, no big deal, right?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But when you look at everything in the totality of
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: what we know, it all looks real bad for Brian Koberger.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: On November 30th, the 28-year-old was arrested at his family
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania. He is scheduled to next appear in
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: court on January 12th for a status hearing. Victim's family
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: plans to set up foundation in her honor. The family
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of murdered student Kaylee Gonzalez is planning to set up
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a foundation in her memory. And I think this is
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the best way to honor somebody who has died, setting
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: up a scholarship fund in their name to help other
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: people moving forward. That is certainly something that you would
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: like your legacy attached to, right? And I think it's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: very cool for the family to do that because what
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it's going to do is provide help for other people,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: going to provide, you know, resources for other people. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for the family, they're not going to let Kaylee be
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: known as just somebody who was murdered. They're going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: have her legacy live on forever with this foundation. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I always think it's a good idea when I see
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: families do this, like with Gabby Petito's family as well.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I think it helps the families heal. When you're feeling
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like you're doing something as far as pushing the envelope
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: further and pushing the conversation to a new place, a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: lot of times what it does is it gives the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: remaining family a sense of purpose and something to pursue
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: as far as the legacy of their loved one. So
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: this is really cool to see that they're doing this
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: for Kaylee. Gonsalves' sister, Olivia Gonsalves, told News Nation that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: they're in the early stages of launching a foundation that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to honor the 21-year-old. Now that a suspect has been
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: arrested for her murder, Ms. Gonsalves said that she and
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: her family can finally begin the grieving process. We still
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: have such a long road ahead of us. The relief
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that we all felt having a suspect in custody was,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I can't even describe it, like the weight of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: world was lifted from our shoulders, she said. And when
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you have a loved one who was murdered, what else
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: do you have left you besides justice, right? So when
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you see somebody get arrested, a suspect get brought into custody,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and you realize that you might get to close that chapter,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that has to feel good. Now, of course, never going
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to bring your loved one back. But the thought of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the person who committed those crimes, who murdered your loved one,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: being on the streets still, must be too much to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: even deal with. So having the person that the authorities
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: say is responsible for these crimes is in custody has
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to be a great feeling for these families. A former
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: friend believed Koberger had turned his life around. A former
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: friend of suspected killer Brian Koberger has revealed that she
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: believed he had turned his life around before his shock
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: arrest for a quadruple homicide last month. On CBS News
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: 48 Hours, Brie said that she knew Mr. Koberger when
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: they were in high school, but their friendship ended when
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he began using heroin. You just saw him becoming more self-destructive.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: He really stayed secluded, she said. Well, he might have
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: been using heroin at the time, but do you think
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he was using heroin while he was getting his doctorate?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I know that there's functioning addicts and stuff like that,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: But it would really be a monumental task to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: addicted to heroin and to still get your PhD and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: show up for work every day. So he might have
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: been on heroin when he was in high school, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I highly doubt that he was currently addicted to the horse.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: When she saw him again sometime later, she said it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: appeared as if he was getting his life together. He
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was telling me that he wanted to get sober, that
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: he was getting sober, and he wanted to let me know, like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do better. I'm going to be better,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: she said. Brie said that he wanted to do something
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that impacted people in a good way, and that she
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: believed that studying criminology was his way of doing this. Instead,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: he is now facing the death penalty for the murders
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of four students, and rightfully so. Any sort of bitch-ass
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: coward who's skulking around in somebody's house and murders them
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: while they're asleep or in their bed deserves the death penalty.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And you already know how I feel. Live volcanoes and GoPros.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Victim's sister believes Brian Koberger wouldn't have been able to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: resist following the investigation online. The sister of murdered student
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves has said that she suspects that the accused
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: killer wouldn't have been able to resist following the investigation
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: online so that he could watch his circus unfold. And unfortunately,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that's how a lot of these scumbags roll. They love
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to watch their work, right? They love to take part.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: They love to show up at vigils. They love to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: show up wherever there's a function for the murdered. It's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: part of the whole thing for them, right? They get
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: off on it. And we know that there was no
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: sexual assault that occurred to any of these roommates. So
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it was the act of killing itself that got the killer,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: who they say is Brian Koberger, off. So this is
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: a sick, sick individual we're dealing with here, folks. Somebody
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: who has very dark desires and somebody who most certainly
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: was following along with what was going on. And I've
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: been convinced about that from the very beginning. Brian Koberger
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: has spent years studying criminal justice and at the time
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of the murders was a criminology PhD student at Washington
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: State University. According to the affidavit, he appears to have
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: stalked the home of the victims at least 12 times
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: prior to the November 13th slayings. A lot of that
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: comes from the fact that he had visited the home
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: so many times before, late at night and early hours.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: He's presented this pattern of behavior, she told NewsNation. And
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: him staking out the house and following them around and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: going back at all hours of the night, it fits
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the pattern with the kind of person that we're dealing
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: with here. This is a man who has a lot
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of schooling, a man who understands the law, or at
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: least should understand the law, and understand how cases like
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: this unfold. And even with all that knowledge, old dumbass
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: decided to use his own car and bring his phone
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: with him. Oh, did I mention? He left a knife
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: sheath at the scene of the crime with his DNA
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: on it. Sherlock Holmes, he is not. He went back
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to the home the morning of before police had been called.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I think to see if his circus, so to say,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: had started to unfold, she said. I think he would
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: not have been able to refrain from engaging with the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: online communities, the theories, the conspiracies and everything in between. Oh,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I have no doubt. I've said that from the beginning.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I thought this dude was following along. I thought that
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: he was keeping an eye on things and really enjoying himself.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: He certainly fits the bill, right? When you look at
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: who the suspect is and you think about the patterns
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and the behavior, it certainly fits the bill for a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: guy like Brian Koberger. Brian Koberger's hearing rescheduled. Brian Koberger's
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: next court appearance has now been rescheduled. The murder suspect's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: preliminary status hearing will now take place at 8 a.m.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Pacific Standard Time on Thursday, January 12th, instead of the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: original time of 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. A court
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: order announcing the change revealed that there was a scheduling
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: conflict with the original time. Due to scheduling conflicts, the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: parties stipulated to changing the time of said hearing. Therefore,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: with good cause, it is hereby ordered that the preliminary
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: status hearing will be held on January 12th, 2023 at
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: 8 a.m. Pacific Standard Time in courtroom one of the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Latah County Courthouse. The order reads. So they had a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: scheduling conflict as far as time, and they had to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: reschedule the prelim hearing for a different time period than
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: was originally slated. So we're going to get it at
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: 8 a.m. instead. Obviously, we'll be keeping our eye on that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And the actual court filing, the rescheduling, that'll be in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: this next court filing dump that I'll be uploading later on.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So that's where we're at as of this morning, folks.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And that's where things stand in the investigation into Brian
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Koberger and the murders in Moscow. If you'd like to
• 35:47
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• 35:51
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• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that I discussed
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Today, we're going to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: hop right back into some of the headlines that we
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: might have missed from overnight and see where things stand
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: as of this morning. And to do that, once again,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: we'll be using the Independent. Headline, Idaho Murders. Brian Koberger
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: teen notes about having no emotion revealed. This article was
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: authored by Rachel Sharp and Andrea Blanco. Chilling online comments
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: made by suspected killer Brian Koberger when he was a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: teenager have resurfaced, revealing how he felt blank, had no emotion,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and felt little remorse years before he allegedly murdered four
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: University of Idaho students in a brutal knife attack. Now,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: as far as Koberger goes, are we sure this dude
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: hasn't committed any crimes before? I mean... It seems like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: quite a leap for me anyway, that this dude just
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: decides one day that he's going to murder four people. Now,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: can go from zero to 60 that quickly, but usually
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: there's progression. And that progression includes other murders, right? You
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: don't just walk in and kill four people. But again,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: nothing about this case is normal. Nothing about this case
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: is regular. Everything about this is just so bizarre and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: so crazy that nothing shocks me at this point. Back
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: in 2011, when he was 16 years old, Mr. Koberger
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: spoke about his mental health struggles in an online forum
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and described seeing nothing when he looked at his own family.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: As I hug my family, I look into their faces.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I see nothing. It's like I am looking at a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: video game, but less, he wrote. More than a decade later,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he is facing the death penalty for the murders of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin back
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: on November 13th. The 28-year-old criminology PhD student appeared in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: court on Thursday with several small cuts on his face
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: where he agreed to waive his right to a speedy
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: preliminary hearing. now his next court date, is scheduled for
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: June 26th. And those cuts that they're talking about, well,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: according to the sheriff's office, Brian Koberger received those cuts
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: while shaving in prison. Idaho murder victims had no connection
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to Brian Koberger, says attorney. The four University of Idaho
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: students murdered in an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho, had
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: no known connection to their suspected killer, Brian Koberger, according
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to an attorney for one of the victim's families. No
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: one knew of this guy at all. Shannon Gray, who
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: represents the family of victim Kaylee Gonzalez, told Business Insider.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: His comments come as prosecutors in Idaho are yet to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: reveal a motive for the brutal quadruple murders or what connection,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: if any, they believe Mr. Koberger had to any of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the victims. The affidavit released last week revealed how cell
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: phone data suggests that the suspect, stalked the home of
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the victims at least 12 times between June and the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: night of the murders. And if it wasn't for that sheath, folks...
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: they would have no idea who this dude is yet.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So you want to talk about making some crucial errors?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Leaving that sheath was the top of the food chain,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: dumbass moves. And without that DNA being found on that sheath,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: they would have never tracked him down. So all of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: this other stuff, all these other issues, the phone pinging him,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you know, stalking them, all of that stuff would have
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: never even been known. So it all went back to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that DNA and that DNA being traced to his father
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: through the rummaging around in the garbage. Brian Koberger appears
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: in court with face cuts as he waves his right
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to a speedy trial. Suspected quadruple killer Brian Koberger appeared
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in court with cuts on his face as he waived
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: his right to a speedy trial on charges of murdering
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  Speaker 1: four Idaho students. The 28-year-old criminology Ph.D. student made a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: brief appearance in Latah County Courthouse in Moscow on Thursday
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  Speaker 1: morning for a status hearing in the murder case. Dressed
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: in an orange t-shirt with unexplained marks on his face, Mr.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Koberger spoke only to answer yes when asked if he
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: understood his rights to a speedy preliminary hearing within the
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: next 14 days and if he agreed to waive those rights.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And he did waive those rights. He wants to have
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: time to build his defense. And again, the cuts and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: scratches on his face? Well, he got those due to shaving,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: according to the authorities. So let's just be clear before
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: people run with that one and start talking about how
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: he's going to get Epstein'd. BTK killer Dennis Rader sees
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: similarities between himself and Brian Koberger. Well, that's great company
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to keep, huh? Fellow travelers and all. BTK killer Dennis
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Rader has said that he sees similarities between himself and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, the man accused of murdering four Idaho students. Rader,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: who was convicted of murdering 10 in Wichita, Kansas, told
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: TMZ in a jailhouse email that he can relate to Mr.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Koberger's dark mind and believes he may have been motivated
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: by a fantasy homicide to kill, much like himself. I mean,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: what is wrong with people? The scariest part is this.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of people out there like these
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: two idiots, and we have no idea that they're living
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: in communities amongst us, working with us, shopping at the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: same stores we shop at. Believe it. There are sick
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: people living in your community right now. People just like BTK,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and obviously people like Brian Koberger. While Rader confessed to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: killing his victims in order to fulfill his sexual fantasies,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a motive has not yet been revealed for the 13th
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of November murders of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. Mr. Koberger has not yet been asked
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to enter a plea in Idaho court, but is said
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to plan to fight the allegations. Now we know from
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the affidavit and from reports that That there was no
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: sexual assaults that took place. However, that doesn't mean the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: crime wasn't of a sexual nature. Some of these guys,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the killing is what gets them off. And I know
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it sounds bizarre. To those of us out here who
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: are at least partially normal, that sounds very, very bizarre.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But there's a whole ass bunch of people who really
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: have these fantasies, and the only way they can satiate
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: these wants and these needs is to actually go out
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and live up to these fantasies. And according to Dennis Rader,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the BTK killer, he says that's what he sees in
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. According to his affidavit, the suspect may have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: stalked the victims home at least 12 times prior to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the murders. BTK wrote in his email that he thinks Mr.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Koberger would lie in wait for the victims and stalk
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: them and their student home in Moscow, writing that this
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: was much like I did. And remember, his professor, meaning
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's, wrote a book with the BTK. And just
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: because Brian wasn't in contact with BTK doesn't mean he
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't mimicking some of his patterns. Now, I'm not saying
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. That's up to the investigators to figure out.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: But it's not out of the realm of possibility. He
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: went on to point out the similarities between one of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: his own attacks and the quadruple murder that Mr. Koberger
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: is now charged with. In 1974, Rader murdered four members
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: of the Otero family, strangling them to death in their
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Wichita home. Murder four, much like the Oteros, up close
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and personal, stabbed, he wrote in the email comparing the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: two crimes. BTK and Mr. Koberger have an eerie connection.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about absolute degenerates. BTK
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is certainly that. Another one of these punk ass bitches,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: another coward who skulked around in people's homes and then
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: did what cowards do and performed a sneak attack to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: murder them. Mr. Koberger had gained a master's degree in
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: criminology in 2022 from Pennsylvania's DeSalas University, where he was
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: taught by Dr. Catherine Ramsland. Dr. Ramsland, is the leading
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: academic authority on the BTK killings and wrote the 2016
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: book Confession of a Serial Killer, the untold story of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, drawing on hundreds of hours
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of interviews and phone conversations with the serial killer to
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: delve deep into his psyche. And again, that sounds bizarre
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: to the rest of us, but Ms. Ramsland, she is
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: a professor and somebody has to try and dive deep
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: into the minds of these sickos, right? So better her
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: than me. But I don't think you can discount the
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: fact that Ramsland, who was Koberger's professor, was in close
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: contact and actually worked with BTK. And then you see
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Koberger commit these similar crimes. I mean, I don't think
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that you can just cast it to the side and
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: say there's no copycatting here. And I'm sure the investigators
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: are taking a look at that as well. Brian Koberger
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: called Idaho murders a crime of passion. in a conversation
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: with his neighbor. Oh, that's nice, huh? Crime of passion,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: is it, Brian Koberger? So this dude's out here pumping
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: his gums to his neighbor, talking about what he thinks
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: went down. Meanwhile, he's the man suspected of these killings.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And he's out here talking to his neighbor, talking about
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: how it's a crime of passion? I wonder if the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: authorities are going to take that into account as well.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Could Koberger have been spilling the beans a little bit?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: We just don't know. And until we have some information
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: about a motive, it's going to be pure speculation as
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: far as what drove Brian Koberger, allegedly, to commit these crimes.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Washington State University Ph.D. student Brian Koberger stands accused of
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: brutally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan, and Ethan
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Chapin at an off-campus home in the college town of
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Moscow on November 13th. It took seven weeks for Mr.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Koberger to be linked to the killings, resulting in his
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: arrest last month. One of Mr. Koberger's neighbors in Pullman, Washington,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a few miles across the Idaho border from Moscow, has
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: now come forward to claim the suspect mentioned the killings
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to him soon after they occurred, when very few details
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: about the investigations were available to the public. And if
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you're the neighbor, you don't find that odd when it's happening, right?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: This dude's a criminology PhD. This is what he does.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: This is his gig. He's following along because he wants
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: to be a cop someday or a forensic specialist or
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell. So as the neighbor, you don't see
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: this being weird. You're like, oh, shit, all right. Got
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: myself an educated opinion from somebody who does this for
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a living. Meanwhile, looking back on it now in hindsight,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: how chilling must have that conversation really been? So there
• 47:29
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• 47:32
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