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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 14) (7/11/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
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  back to the Leslie Groff transcript from her meeting with Congress. Question,
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  I'd like to ask you a few more questions about
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  your work for mister Epstein booking travel. As part of
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  your employment for mister Epstein, you arrange domestic and international
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  travel for girls and young women. Correct answer for women, yes,
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  question and not for girls. Answer, I don't believe I
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  ever made any travel. When you say girls, what do
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  you mean minors? Question yes, individuals women under the age
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  of eighteen, so girls answer no. Question. During the period
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  that you worked for mister Epstein, approximately how many young
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  women do you think that you arrange travel for, including flights, hotels,
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  and any other kind of travel. Answer it's a difficult question.
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  Over the course of my entire time with them, I
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  really don't know. Question. If you had to estimate, would
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  it be dozens, hundreds, thousands? Answer not thousands? No, And
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  some people would be it was usually his traveling assistance
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  that would be going to see him, But it's very
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  difficult for me to try to come up with the number.
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  It was not thousands, it was not hundreds. I don't know,
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  fifty seventy fifty, I don't know. Mister Buckner, don't speculate
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  if you don't know the answers you don't know. Ms Groff, Yeah,
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  I don't know. Question So you talked about his travel
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  assistance before when you were booking this travel. Would you
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  work with them to do it? Answer? Sometimes if I
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  was directed to by Epstein to book a ticket and
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  I needed to speak with them, but usually it was
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  whatever he wanted. Question and who would that have been
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  on his staff that you would have booked travel with
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  or work with the book travel? Answer just MX Centurion. Question,
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  oh understood. What was your understanding of the purpose of
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  this travel? Answer for the traveling assistance to help him
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  with his travel, to be there to do chores, to
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  make sure that the staff wherever he was going had
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  things they would go grocery shopping, things of that nature. Question.
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  I think we may be miscommunicating, so I'll try to
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  be more clear. When you book travel on behalf of
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  mister Epstein for women affiliated with them, did you work
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  with people on his staff to do that? Answer? No question, okay, question,
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  but did you work with external people like misredacted answer yes,
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  question okay, And this travel was typically for his staff,
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  but also potentially other women as well. Correct answer, correct question, okay,
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  for those other women, not staff members who are traveling
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  with them, but for those other women. What was your
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  understanding of the typical purpose of that travel? Answer? I
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  didn't ask him why he had people traveling. I don't know. Question.
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  Were you ever aware of the purpose being for mister
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  Epstein to engage in sexual activity with these young women?
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  Answer no question. Were you ever aware of the purpose
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  being for people in his network to engage with sexual
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  activity with these young women? Answer no question. I'd like
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  to introduce as minority exhibit F this email exchange between
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  you and mister Epstein. Excuse me, an email exchange between
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  you and misredacted from September fifth, twenty seventeen. The Bates
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  number is EFTA zero zero four five eight zero seven four.
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  Although your name is redacted here, I'll represent to you,
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  based on an in camera review of an unredacted version
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  of the document, that the bottom email is from you.
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  In this exchange, you raised with misredacted what you say
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  is a quote gigantic issue. You flagged that some flight
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  confirmations were sent to people other than you, and you
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  tell misredacted that quote Jeffrey was livid about this specifically,
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  you note that some flight confirmations were sent or redacted
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  and another person why that was mister Epstein angry about
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  flight confirmations being sent to misredacted? And this other person answer,
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  I don't know. I know that he's an extremely private
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  person and didn't like other people knowing what he was
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  didn't want people to know about his schedule. Question is
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  this something that you remember in being angry about in
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  other instances flight confirmations being sent to people other than you?
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  Answer in other instances, I believe this was the time
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  when something was happening on amex Centurion's end, and emails
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  were going to everybody that was in their database, and
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  he did not want everyone that was in their database
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  receiving flight confirmations. Question, emails were going to everyone in
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  amex Centurion's database. Answer the database that would be for
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  us for Epstein? Question, got it? And who would have
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  been included in that database? Answer? It would be anyone
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  who was authorized to book travel. I would believe so
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  any of the traveling assistants probably question, and you too,
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  right answer and me, uh huh. Question anyone else? Answer Epstein,
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  I don't know who else it might have been. Question
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  you also write that quote on petrified that all these
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  tickets we have coming up this week from Russia to
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  Paris will somehow resurface and get emailed to someone in
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  our list of emails who was flying from Russia to Paris.
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  Answer I don't recall. Question were you concerned that information
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  about their flights would quote resurface? Answer? It wasn't me
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  that was concerned. I didn't want to hear the wrath
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  and get in trouble from mister Epstein about inadvertently having
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  confirmations be sent to people that were not on our list.
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  Question I understand you said he's a private person. Was
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  there any other reason he might not want these flight
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  confirmations to go on that list? Answer not that I
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  know of. No question And to clarify, you understand your
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  reference here to a list of emails being that MX
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  Centurion database that we just spoke about. Answer correct question.
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  So we know that mister Epstein was in Paris at
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  this point and had dinner reservations or excuse me, dinner
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  plans on September fifth, twenty seventeen, which is the date
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  of this email. We also know that multiple women were
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  scheduled to arrive in Paris that week. Were these women
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  traveling to Paris for the purpose of engaging in sexual
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  activity with mister Epstein? Answer? I don't know. Question were
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  you ever aware of women who were booking travel for
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  being manipulated or course to travel? Answer? No, question, Miss Groff,
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  So you previously testified that the names in the database
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  would have been the traveling assistants and other members of
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  mister Epstein's staff. Is that correct? Answer? That's what I believe. Question?
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  And you also previously testified that those women's jobs was
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  to travel with mister Epstein and run his errands and
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  arrange his schedule while he was traveling. Is that correct
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  answer yes? Question so why would it then have been
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  a problem for those women to know about people who
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  might have been traveling to meet them while he was
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  traveling to Paris? Answer? I don't know why he would
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  think it's a problem. I think he was a control
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  freak and just like he didn't it was like when
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  he was out, it felt out of control. It was
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  out of his control. He wanted it to stop. Question okay.
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  So we have some questions about the payments from mister
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  Epstein that were discussed I think a little bit in
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  the previous hour. So as discussed, we have records of
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  some large cash transfers from Southern Financial to you. So
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  Southern Financial was one of mister Epstein's entities. Is that correct? Answer? Yes?
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  Question okay? And are you aware of a transfer from
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  Southern Financial to you on February first, twenty sixteen, of
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  one hundred thousand dollars? Answer? Oh, that was alone, yes,
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  question okay. So that one, there's another one of one
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  hundred thousand on January third, twenty seventeen. Answer correct question.
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  And I believe you said that there was one in
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  twenty eighteen. What was the date of that one? Answer?
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  Probably around the same date as the others. I don't
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  know exactly. Question okay, So early twenty eighteen. Answer probably yes,
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  at the beginning of the year. That would make sense.
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  Question of one hundred thousand answer correct question okay. And
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  then there's a transfer of one hundred and ten thousand
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  from Southern Financial to you on December nineteenth, twenty eighteen.
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  Answer correct question okay. And so it's correct based on
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  your previous testimony that these were loans that were made
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  to you as part of your compensation once your compensation
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  system changed to a salary plus loan answer correct. Question okay,
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  were there any other such loans made to you by
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  mister Epstein or his entities? Answer no question. Okay. Did
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  you receive any gifts from mister Epstein or any of
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  his entities between December nineteenth, twenty eighteen and his death?
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  Answer no question. Okay, answer not that I recall. Question
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  And of those so four hundred and ten thousand, we
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  know that some were loans that were forgiven at the
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  time of his death. What was the outstanding balance of
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  the loans that was forgiven at the time of his death?
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  Answer I guess the four hundred and ten thousand. Question okay,
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  So you didn't pay back any of those loans at
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  any point before his death or after? Answer correct, mister Buckner.
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  Can I have a moment with her, Miss Groff? I
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  was writing interest loans interest checks whenever they were due.
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  I don't know. Questions, So you paid the interest but
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  not the principal Answer yeah, exactly, I paid the interest
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  from the start. Question Okay, did you ever help facilitate
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  any transfers, money transfers to or from mister Epstein or
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  any of his entities. Answer no question, okay. Sarah Kellen
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  told investigators that in December twenty eighteen, you emailed her
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  to meet with mister Epstein and he late later gave
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  her two hundred and fifty thousand. Were you aware of
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  that payment at the time? Answer I was not. No
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  question okay. Did you later become aware of that payment
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  at any time before mister Epstein's death? Answer no question, okay.
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  And then we have some questions about your roles in
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  mister Epstein's various trusts. So you were named as a
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  beneficiary of the twenty thirteen Butterfly Trust on a document
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  dated December thirty first, twenty thirteen. Can you explain what
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  the Butterfly Trust is? Answer no, I cannot. I didn't
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  know about the Butterfly Trust. Answer you didn't know of
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  its existence? Answer correct question until when? Answer until after
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  his death and all this came out and we were
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  preparing to meet with you. Question okay. So, at no
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  point until your preparation for this interview did you know
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  either of the existence of the Butterfly Trust or the
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  fact that you were named as a beneficiary. Answer that
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  is correct. Question Okay, were you did you know that
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  you were named as a beneficiary of any other of
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  mister Epstein's trusts? Answer no question. Okay, they go off
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  the record. Now they're back on. Question Is that your
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  understanding at this point, now that you were aware of
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  the trust and your position as a beneficiary, that you
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  are eligible to his money from that trust? Answer, I
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  don't believe I'm in the trust. After we were prepping
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  for this, I believe I was taken out of that trust.
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  Question do you know when that occurred? Answer? I believe
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  it occurred when he was in jail. He took me
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  out of his trust. Question after his arrest in twenty nineteen.
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  Answer correct question. Okay. And separately, you were named as
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  a trustee of the twenty seventeen Caterpillar Trust on a
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  document dated January first, twenty seventeen. So were you aware
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  at that time that you had been named as a
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  trust d on the other trust? Answer after prepping for
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  this testimony, I remember it now. Question, but you were
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  not you were aware at that time? Answer? I must
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  have been aware at the time because my signature is
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  on the paperwork. Question okay. And what were you or
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  are your responsibilities as a trustee? Answer I don't think
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  I had any responsibilities question at any point? Answer correct.
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  Question okay. And do you stand to benefit financially from
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  your role as trustee? Answer no, no. Question is it
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  you're understanding that the Caterpillar Trust is still in existence?
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  Answer I don't know. I don't think so, I don't know.
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  Question Okay, you don't know. Answer I don't know. Question,
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  got it? Thank you? All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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  up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
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