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#1532 Tough Days - Josh Lenartowicz · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installing the new project.
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  Speaker 1: It's Jumbo, It's Craig Anthey, Harper, Joshua and Leonardo. It's
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's arguably Australia's best ever FBB pro bodybuilder,
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  Speaker 1: father of two, husband of Liz Man about town. There's
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  Speaker 1: been a few peaks and troughs in his journey over
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  Speaker 1: the last few years, and we hit abyak again.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, mate, mate, Jumbo brain is Jumbo is the evolution
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  Speaker 2: of you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about.
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  Speaker 2: Being called smart, but how about the smartest person in
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  Speaker 2: your in your body? How does that sound? Can you
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  Speaker 2: take that? Will you accept that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know? Sometimes I think I don't really think
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  Speaker 1: I'm smart. I think I'm good at optimizing what I have.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm good at getting the most out of
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  Speaker 1: what i have to work with. If that's a kind
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  Speaker 1: of smart, then I'll take it.
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  Speaker 2: How about you just how about work ethic like an
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  Speaker 2: almost like a machine? How about that? How about how
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  Speaker 2: I have that discipline and dedicate and that stuff that's
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  Speaker 2: like top shelf, your top shelf.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pumping up my tires in the first minute.
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  Speaker 2: You know, why do we get you everywhere? Mate? You'll
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  Speaker 2: be buying me dinnercent Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean here's the thing, right, you can't you
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  Speaker 1: can't choose your IQ, you can't choose your genetics. You
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  Speaker 1: can't you can't change the hours in a day, blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: But you can figure out what you're going to do
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  Speaker 1: with all that stuff, you know. Like, I've coached lots
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  Speaker 1: of people who I would think inherently have a higher
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  Speaker 1: IQ than me and probably more natural talent and potential,
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  Speaker 1: but the other stuff they don't. They just don't have it.
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  Speaker 1: Some do, like a lot do, but some don't. And
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  Speaker 1: it's I mean, I've seen the same thing. You might
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  Speaker 1: have seen it in the gym too. In the gym,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen it with people with fucking amazing genetics who
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  Speaker 1: just don't want to get uncomfortable consistently. They love the
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  Speaker 1: idea of, you know, high performance, but they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to do the work to create high performance. Same in corporate,
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  Speaker 1: Same in working with you know, elite athletes in the
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  Speaker 1: sporting arena. You know, there's what we've got to work
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  Speaker 1: with and then there's what we do with what we've
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  Speaker 1: got to work with. They're two different things.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Massively potential potential scene all the time. It's just
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  Speaker 2: and it's wasted so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so much. Yeah. Do you think how much
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  Speaker 1: of your potential genetically when you were competing? Do you
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  Speaker 1: reckon you got? If ten out of ten is human
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  Speaker 1: optimization to the limit, Like you couldn't get any more
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  Speaker 1: out of you? What do you reckon? You got out
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  Speaker 1: of you on stage?
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  Speaker 2: Probably about a six really six seven. Yeah. I was
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  Speaker 2: taking my time enjoying my life and I thought I
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  Speaker 2: had a lot longer before it got cut short. So
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of like, in a way, trying to
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  Speaker 2: invest in the people that I I love and not
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  Speaker 2: trying to make it too obsessed, which is sounds weird
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  Speaker 2: for bodybulding because it's a really obsessive lifestyle. But I
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  Speaker 2: was at the same time still trying to enjoy what
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  Speaker 2: I could. And it don't get me wrong, when I
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  Speaker 2: needed to be disciplined, I was extremely disciplined. But I
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  Speaker 2: thought I still had another five or ten years within
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  Speaker 2: bodybuilding before I had this tumor. That's part of the
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  Speaker 2: family that cut me cut thing short, which is yeah,
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  Speaker 2: cause a lot of problems ever since from the surgeries.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll open the door, We'll open the meta door
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  Speaker 1: on that. But like that, I want to just zoom
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  Speaker 1: out of the micro of that and back to the
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  Speaker 1: macro of bodybuilding as a sport. So I grew up
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  Speaker 1: not like well kind of. I mean I was always around.
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  Speaker 1: I was a bodybuilder, just not a competitive bodybuilder. I
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  Speaker 1: was just like your weekend warrior, right. I was like you, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: your bloke that plays suburban footy, that was I was
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  Speaker 1: the equivalent of that.
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  Speaker 2: Would you walk past it? Could you walk past a
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  Speaker 2: reflection of a window? And no, I can look at yourself.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was too. I was fucking enamored with myself.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was shit hot. I wasn't, but I
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  Speaker 1: thought I was. Now that's not true. I actually thought
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  Speaker 1: I was terrible. But but I really tried to you.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted to make sure you were a bit better than before,
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  Speaker 2: make sure every day was better than yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I still angle on the left side if I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: a photo taken.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw a photo of you in a suit yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: did you that? I was amazed?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, that's I showed you that. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was that one time when I wore a suit.
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  Speaker 1: But like, like, you're quite a deep philosophical person and
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  Speaker 1: me too in some ways. But did it ever dawn
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  Speaker 1: on you how bad it is, potentially bad it is
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  Speaker 1: for people's self esteem, self worth and all of that
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  Speaker 1: when especially you know, these days we talk about you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're much more than a body, and you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like people's you know, body dysmorphea and body image and
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  Speaker 1: all the judgment and stuff that happens with how people look,
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  Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be like that. And then literally there's
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  Speaker 1: a sport where you stand on stage in pretty much
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  Speaker 1: nothing and you you literally judged, not figuratively, like you're
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  Speaker 1: literally judged. And if there's ten people on stage, one
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  Speaker 1: of those people is going to be the worst in
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  Speaker 1: inverted commas, one's going to be the best in inverted commas.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty tough like. It's kind of like mma.
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  Speaker 1: I love it and hate it. I love the sport,
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  Speaker 1: but I hate the potential damage that comes with people
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  Speaker 1: getting punched in the head. And I love bodybuilding, but
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  Speaker 1: I hate the potential damage which might come to some
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  Speaker 1: people's self esteem and emotional and mental health with standing
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  Speaker 1: up on stage in you know, no clothes being judged.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that.
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  Speaker 2: And it's basically body shaming and people pay to do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's weird when you think of it like that, right.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it. It's like where you're going to stand.
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  Speaker 2: If people did that in the news, the news.
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  Speaker 1: We're totally you know, you shouldn't judge anyone on how
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  Speaker 1: they look. Oh, there's a sport that does that, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a global sport.
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  Speaker 2: And it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean, like the evolution of
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  Speaker 1: bodybuilding since I kind of first plugged in in the
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  Speaker 1: seventies and eighties and watching Arnold and all the old
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  Speaker 1: you know, Lou Farino and Robbie Robinson and Surge and
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  Speaker 1: new Bray and Serge Olimpia, Serge Olivia and all those
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  Speaker 1: old timers who were just fucking old guys on Diana
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  Speaker 1: Boll and Decker just getting on stage with their twenty
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  Speaker 1: times right, grobing it to them ten to twelve. Who
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  Speaker 1: was prescribing it?
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  Speaker 2: The doctors were there's no problems.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's hilarious. I don't know if that was a
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  Speaker 1: healthier version, it kind of seems more wholesome. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's just like illusion. But these days bodybuilding in
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  Speaker 1: inverted commas, it's it's a myriad of things. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's bikinis, it's figures, it's body shaping, it's the what's
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  Speaker 1: the guy's version like that bosique?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with a broad shorts physique. That's evolved and now
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  Speaker 2: it's there massive. It used to look like a board,
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  Speaker 2: like a beach body. Now it's huge, massive, broad shots,
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  Speaker 2: deltz abs huge. You would not look like that just
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  Speaker 2: growing up and being a farm boy with players and
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  Speaker 2: thrown hay bales out you did. You would not walk
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  Speaker 2: down the beach looking like that. No way.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems like there are more and more people
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  Speaker 1: like I thought. I thought, you know, there was a
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  Speaker 1: time maybe twenty years where it was just going to
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  Speaker 1: kind of fall away, because it did kind of stumble
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  Speaker 1: for a while there. It felt like bodybuilding was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, getting less attention and less popularity. But
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  Speaker 1: it seems like there's over the last decade really that's
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  Speaker 1: turned around and there's a massive uptake and up surge
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  Speaker 1: in you know, people wanting to get on stage and
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: I think everything's into wine. So of course people want
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  Speaker 2: to look a bit healthier or want maybe to lose
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  Speaker 2: some body fat, so they're right that in their Google
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  Speaker 2: and then they'll filter into their Instagram or their Facebook,
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  Speaker 2: and then that'll pop up in their algorithm and social
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  Speaker 2: media feed will pop up, and then they might click
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  Speaker 2: on it and that'll pop up more and and that'll
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  Speaker 2: just start to embed into the subconscious and then that'll
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  Speaker 2: pop up more and there you go. And it's and
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  Speaker 2: especially within the kids, it's it's mammoth. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: not it's not good. It's taken over so much.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. It is interesting because at the same time, got
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of people going, don't judge us on
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  Speaker 1: how we look, and then at the same time a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people going, please judge, judge me, like, because
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  Speaker 1: that's what body. You know, you get on stage and
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  Speaker 1: literally the judge's job is to judge your body.
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  Speaker 2: It's a difficult experience to judge other people. Yes, because
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  Speaker 2: of course you want.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel a bit conflicted when you were doing.
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  Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because you want more, more time, and you
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  Speaker 2: want more. You want to place everyone as evenly as
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  Speaker 2: possible in the right spot, So you want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure you have enough time to do that correctly as well,
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  Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's definitely there's definitely a challenge to
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  Speaker 2: do that because of course, like they say in bodybuilding,
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  Speaker 2: apples and oranges, you know, you what you prefer is
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  Speaker 2: different than what I might prefer, as someone's shoulders to
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  Speaker 2: look a particular way someone else like a particular way.
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  Speaker 2: So it's that's also the confusing part within bodybuilding. You're
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  Speaker 2: getting ahead of if you, for example, if you get
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  Speaker 2: got ahead of six judges in Victoria, you might get
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  Speaker 2: a of six different judges in Queensland and they might
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  Speaker 2: have different opinions with what a body should look like.
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  Speaker 2: So that's also that's another element of difference, even though
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  Speaker 2: there's some guidelines and then so that's I just tell
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  Speaker 2: people that just be your best and make yourself happy
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  Speaker 2: with what you look like.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess one of the differences between bodybuilding and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other I mean, some people would argue
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  Speaker 1: that it's a sport or a hobby or a pastime
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  Speaker 1: or but let's go with sport, is that it's not
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  Speaker 1: an objective measurement. It's like a subjective interpretation. It's like
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  Speaker 1: literally a judge sitting in a chair ten feet off
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  Speaker 1: stage looking at a body and then scoring that through
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  Speaker 1: their eyes and there, like like you said, through their perception,
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  Speaker 1: and then the person next to them. You know, there
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  Speaker 1: might be ten let's say ladies on stage, and one
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  Speaker 1: judge places a particular lady first, and the guy girl
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  Speaker 1: next door places them forth, and they're looking at the
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  Speaker 1: same thing on the same day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on exactly. Well, they imagine this. They all
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  Speaker 2: have they looking image if they're all clions, but one
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  Speaker 2: has brown hair and one has blonde hair, and that's
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  Speaker 2: their preference, so that's where they place. But then they
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  Speaker 2: go home not placing well and feel disappointed and upset
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  Speaker 2: that they've given up so much for so long and
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  Speaker 2: dieted and sacrificed, and then they didn't place where they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to, and then they have then this bad self
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  Speaker 2: image because they thought, oh, you know, didn't get what
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  Speaker 2: I wanted. So, yes, can have some really high highs
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  Speaker 2: this sport, and if you want to call it a
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  Speaker 2: sport into really low lows. Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: I told you before we started. I just had a
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  Speaker 1: super long chat with Trevor Hendy and we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about this. The former world champion and Australian Champion, iron
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  Speaker 1: Man and Amazing Athlete Order of Australia dude, and all that. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this challenge of being really good at something and receiving
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  Speaker 1: praise and accolades and recogniz and you know, all of
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  Speaker 1: this positivity through you know, in your case perhaps looking
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  Speaker 1: like a freaking being Australia's best bodybuilder or in his
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  Speaker 1: case being the best you know, surf life saver in
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  Speaker 1: the world or iron man in the world, and then
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  Speaker 1: trying to in the middle of that be normal whatever
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  Speaker 1: that means, like to be grounded, to not to not
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  Speaker 1: lose yourself, to not lose your identity in all of
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  Speaker 1: the emotion and bullshit and ego that can come with
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. That's that's like got to be a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I think being married to my wife's
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  Speaker 2: family's tongan is very easy. When you're considered a monster
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  Speaker 2: and then you're among all these big islanders is very
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  Speaker 2: humbly really, that was very easy for me.
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  Speaker 1: Are they all big units?
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  Speaker 2: There's there's a big units, there's a big units. But
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  Speaker 2: I do get what you mean in reference to that,
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  Speaker 2: for sure. So yeah, it's but you've always been I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that was the one thing initially I think you need
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  Speaker 2: is a great team around you, and that's You've been
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  Speaker 2: a real pivotal part of that hups. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: having people that know that, because man, you can get
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  Speaker 2: so wrapped up in just the body and make it
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  Speaker 2: just be everything and it's not. It's like, there's just
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  Speaker 2: so much more to life than that. And you try,
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  Speaker 2: you have a conversation with people were just only talking
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  Speaker 2: about bodybuilding. It's such a difficult. You just want to
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  Speaker 2: escape that conversation. You know, it's so much more to life.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what? To me is a little bit sad.
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  Speaker 1: And this is very specific and probably ninety a percent
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  Speaker 1: of our audience might not relate to this, so I
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  Speaker 1: apologize to you. But and you know this, and I
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  Speaker 1: know this, like especially dudes, old dudes who have been
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  Speaker 1: bodybuilding forever and they still get their entire sense of
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  Speaker 1: self from their body. And they're like now in their
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  Speaker 1: fifties and maybe beyond. And I'm like, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's good to be in shape at fifty or sixty
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  Speaker 1: or beyond, of course, but you know, they're still doing
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  Speaker 1: heaps of gear, they're still red in the face, they're
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  Speaker 1: still fucking wearing the tight T shirts at the shows,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, come on, bro, you just there's
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  Speaker 1: more to you than that. There's more to life than that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And that sounds judging and I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: it too, because I was fucking doing the exact same
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  Speaker 1: thing for you know. Thankfully I got over that when
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  Speaker 1: I was reasonably young. But yeah, it's it happens, don't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's an interesting field mate. You talk
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  Speaker 2: kill day about that, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So for people who don't don't know you, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to tell just a quick because the bodybuilding is
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  Speaker 1: not the story at the moment. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: see how you're traveling. So you were Australia's premiere elite
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  Speaker 1: pro bodybuilder for quite a while. You won pro shows,
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  Speaker 1: You competed in the Mister Olympia two or three.
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  Speaker 2: Times twice, competer twice at the Mister.
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  Speaker 1: Placed in the top ten twice, which is an amazing effort.
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  Speaker 2: And there's another Arnold Classic is the other one major
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  Speaker 2: one with Arnold Swartznigger runs that was kind of competing
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  Speaker 2: with the with the Olympia. I got third in that once,
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  Speaker 2: which was that was big highlight. My debut. That was
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  Speaker 2: one of my own career highlights.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very thankful you won? Did you win?
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  Speaker 1: Did you win?
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  Speaker 2: Four?
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  Speaker 1: Are you won? Four?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? One four? Sorry something popiz up there? Yeah? One four?
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that.
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  Speaker 2: That is amazing. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Is any other Is any other Australian one or pro shows?
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  Speaker 2: No? No, I look at you blush. You make me blush.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now now you're pumping my ties up. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: So tell everybody what happened, and just not I mean
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  Speaker 1: as short as you want and just because I want to.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things I like to do on the
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  Speaker 1: show is talk to people when life's going great, but
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  Speaker 1: also when life's not going great, because the you know,
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  Speaker 1: for quite a while there everything was going amazing for
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  Speaker 1: you and then the metaphoric shit hit the fan. And
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  Speaker 1: so today is really just checking in to see where
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  Speaker 1: you're at and to let people know where you're up to.
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  Speaker 1: I get asked a lot about you. Do you see Josh?
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  Speaker 1: Do you see Josh? What's Josh up to? Is he training?
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  Speaker 1: Is he going to compete? I get asked a lot
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  Speaker 1: because people know where friends, So give people the snapshot
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  Speaker 1: of what happened if you.
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  Speaker 2: Would, yeah, well, where i'd be very quiet on social media,
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  Speaker 2: I was very active on that and I'd love to
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  Speaker 2: give and try and encourage, and then what I guess,
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  Speaker 2: feeling like you're not living in alignment with you are
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  Speaker 2: as a person, it's very hard to give. And that's
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  Speaker 2: something I've had to kind of wrap my head around
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  Speaker 2: recent more especially more recently. But I've one thing I
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  Speaker 2: really I don't tell a lot of people, and I'll
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  Speaker 2: be open with it now is I've got epilepsy. So
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  Speaker 2: one thing I had which took me out of the
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  Speaker 2: last Olympia, which I was qualified for was a tumor
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  Speaker 2: in the skull, which is a rare place to have it.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'd had complications after the surgery, so it
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  Speaker 2: was a non It was a tumor that's in my family.
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  Speaker 2: And then my brother who wasn't a competitor, had one
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  Speaker 2: when he was eighteen, and might had one and the
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  Speaker 2: skull in a more kind of serious spot, I guess
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  Speaker 2: you could say, and it just yeah, there was complications
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  Speaker 2: from the surgery and then it didn't I guess it
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  Speaker 2: didn't heal correctly or something for whatever reason. And then
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  Speaker 2: I had a second surgery, and then I had more
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: sieges after that, so tried to get back and compete,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: which was ridiculous, but I kind of with that pro mindset,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I tried to compartmentalize and put that pain aside, and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: then even though the seizes was a possibility, I kind
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: of pushed that aside, which was maybe idiotic, but I
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: did that because also I had then a child with
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: my wife, and the providing instincts were there and needed
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: that to happen and keep sponsors happy. That didn't go well.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: COVID hit more seezes happened, more pain, a lot more pain,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and then trying to just get through that and survive
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: really was my thing. Went from thriving to surviving from
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: you know, going and being troubled around the world and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: being flown and doing seminars and you know, being a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: guest appearance at places, to then just locked in a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: room trying to just yeah, stay alive in a way.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: It's some bad times. So and then yeah, more recently
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: just some yes, more more seetious. But I had the
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: last time we spoke, I was preparing there was a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: contest called the Master's Olympia, and it was going to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: be you know, Masters is over forties, but it was
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: still going to be with bodybuilding, it's something that takes time,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: of course and muscle maturity. So even though being over
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: four years, still go and compete, Still go and compete
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: in the open the main class. So it was just
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: going to be kind of an entry back into competing again.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And it was just I was still living in pain
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and training and the fear of having a seizure and things.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So the last time we spoke, it was I was
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: going to go over to Dubai, train there and prep
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: there and even just trying to see some different specialists
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: there in hopes that maybe something could help and then
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: compete and then maybe my career would get back on
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: track from a professional perspective. And then even before heading
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: over there, I got scammed. So I paid for the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: room with Stays this app, and then you know, you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: communicate with the host and everything was set. Everything was
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: there the day of lead of leaving, with flying through
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: corners and stuff, and then it was like, sorry, can't
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: fulfill your obligations. They haven't paid me with the Stays app.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So then I'm on the phone. You know, bags are packed,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: everything's ready, to go and they're like no, they've paid
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: in the money, etc. It was just like this big
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: storm and I'm like, well, I'm not flying to the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Middle East and landing in the heat with nowhere to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: stay and trying to figure something out. And it was
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: just and then they wouldn't give me the money back,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and then it was just this big It was paid
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: for months and months at a time. It was just this, Okay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: this is odd and you know, stressful circumstance. But and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: then I prepped, he stayed here, prepped here for it,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and it was just bad anyway because of my pain,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Like as soon as I started really pushing myself, and
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: as soon as I got to a certain level of
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: strength because we trained quite heavy for the to develop muscle,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: it would just there was only a certain point I
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: could go before the pain was just stagonizing, So I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: knew something was up anyway. And then the fear of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: having a seizure was always there, So go ahead.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And with the pain head pain, like like like super
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: duper acute headache, migraine.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Massive, yeah, massive, I could be like train trying like
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: having and I was living off you normally eat food
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: much more nourishing I was living off shape, which is
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: not the right way to get ready for a show
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and be in pain. Like I get up trying to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: an hour on the stairs in agony, come home, have
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a shake, ice pack on my head, back in bed,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: kind of get up, have a shake, or try and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: eat some fish or something light or blend something. So
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: it's just trying to make it, make it there. And yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: but it was kind of the more that thing was
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: kind of the the providing factor was that was part
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of my mindset and which wasn't which isn't a you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the providing factor is great, but the financial driving factor
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: isn't a great motivational factor. You know, it's because there's
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: many ways to make money, and that's in pain is
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: not a great you know, you.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Weren't getting on stage because you're excited to get on stage,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: exactly age because you thought, this is the way that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I can potentially make reasonable dough. And I need to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: make dough because I've got a wife and two it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in a family and responsibilities, and this is not what
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I want to do, but maybe what I need to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: do to create an outcome that I want.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent correct. So it was, and it
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was something that I reflect back and go the best
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: way to look at future behavior, look at past behavior.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: This worked in the past, This could work in the future.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And then you know, that was just a really grueling,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: horrible prep just with suffering and pain and and even
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: though I shouldn't. And then you listen to people when
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you talk to me, and they're just, no, it's just
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: another test, you know, It's just it's just a test,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you know, to see how how bad you want it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm kind of I don't think this is I
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: think this is just yeah, you know, listen to your
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: almost listening to yourself in a way. And then almost
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: to the point where okay, And then so I'm trying
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to get to go The comp was in this place
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: called Clues in Romania, and I'm trying to get my
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: wife and the kids to come, and she's like it's
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: going to be agony, like trying to travel with this
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: be screaming and kid and I'm like, ah, you know
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that I've never competed without my wife being there. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I end up I go, Okay, I'm going to book
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: the last flight there, and then I'm going to leave
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the first flight after the show, and which is the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: worst thing to do as a body. But when you
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: get rid of you got to get there early, you
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: got to get rid of the water, you got to
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: do all this stuff. So I get there late, make
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: this just to just to make this Athletees meeting, which
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: is compulsory, and I do the contest. As soon as
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I walk out on stage, I just hated it. You
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: do this first walkout on your own, not even in
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: comparisons in groups, and I just as soon as I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: walked out, I just hated it, Like the lights, everything.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I just felt like I was going to have a seat,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like almost like I was going to have a seeze
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: your and I'm like, what am I doing? And I
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: was I wasn't going to win anyway, Like it was
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the people that deserve to win, definitely deserve to win.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Hats off to them, well done for me. Just with
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: my I was just like, I'm just not enjoying this.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: This is wrong. Why did I do this for? You know?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: This isn't good. And then I'm not not enjoying it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You know, normally I'd enjoy performing and I've done all
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: this hard work and instead of training and getting those
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: open me in doorphins. It was just you train, it'd
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: be pain. You train, it'd be pain It'd be like
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: there was no uplifting aspects of this prep that well
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: would even though it was a painful experience. Normally the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: contest preps are there was still an element of enjoyment
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: out of it that you could reflect on. There wasn't
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that within this prep at all. And I wasn't going
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to get on social media and be like, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: having another hard day, guys, Hey, guys doing it. Look
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: at me, Look how good I am? Well, look how
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: much I'm pushing. It wasn't that. It was and exactly
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like I said, I was doing it to try and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: make a living for my kids and stuff. Right, So
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: so then I get that they do the call outs
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and then what happens in bodybuilding, They maybe like twenty competitors, right,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: but only the top ten come back for the night
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: show to do a square opposing routine. It's like a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: choreographed routine for entertainment for the crowd. And I knew
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: by the way the call outs were that I was
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: going to be within that top ten and I was
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: hating it. So as soon as they did they were
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: doing the callouts. I just walked off the stage like
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I knew I was in the top ten, called my
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: wife and they were calling Josh Josh, and my wife's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: home watching it live and she's like get back on stage.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm like no, and she's like, you need to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: get back on stage now, like will our son's watching it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like no, I'm done. She's just like you need
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to get on stage, like you need to finish what
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you said. I'm like I'm finished, Like I'm done. That's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: it for me, Like I'm I'm done. I'm in pain,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm in agony, this is this is great. I'm done.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So I was over the other side of the world
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: without doing something for my family, without my family there,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and it was just like the almost like a place
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like rock bottom when you hit where you hit that feeling.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And I was just got home to the hotel. I'm
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: just sitting there waiting because it was the flight was
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: first thing in the morning, so I'm just up all
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: night waiting for the flight. As soon as it hits
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: time to go to the airport, go to the airport,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: go to check my bags, and they're like, you've missed
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: the bag checking. You can't get the flight, and I'm like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: no way, I don't care about my bags. I'm leaving
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: my bags. You can't do that. That's illegal to do
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: it an airport. I was just like, I ain't okay,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I'll get the next flight. I'll get the next one.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You can't because you booked it as one flight. It
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: was just like this language barrier as well, and I'm like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: when's the next one you can get me. It's like
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: two days later. I was like, ah, given me. It
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: was just one of those deep thinking like what am
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I doing? Like what is going on here? And yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: it was just one of those times where it was
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: like need to really figure out what's going on here,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Like what's why am I still in pain? Why am
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I still having these sages? And then what am I? Yeah?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: What was I? What was I? What was I thinking
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: doing this show?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It's like Trevor Hendy and I spoke before and we
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: were talking. He was talking about not to the same
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: level of despair and pain that you were in, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he was talking about like he had like he went
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: through this period. I don't want to fuck up the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: show in case people haven't heard it, but where he
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: was going through some shit and it's like he calls
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it the gift that came out of the darkness, like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: this ship that he was in the middle of, which
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you're kind of still in the middle of. And we're
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: going to talk about that in a minute, but you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: just dealing with dealing with really hard stuff that you
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: can't Like. You and I have chatted a little bit lately,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm not throwing you under the bus, I don't think,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because we're just being honest and real. And hopefully next
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: time we chat it's going to be a lot of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: more great stuff going on. But like right now, there's
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you know, fucking struggle town with you know, trying to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: figure out medically what's going on with you and seizures
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and pain and and you know, but trying to try
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like when people you were saying before,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: people like, oh, you'll be right, it's just tough it
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: out and all that, Like that's not wisdom, that's just
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: wishful thinking. You know, there is a time when your
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: body is going, no, this is not just about being tough.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: This is about if you keep doing this the way
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that you're doing it, you might kill yourself or fuck
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: yourself up. Medically forever, and so I'm really glad that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you paid attention, but you know, it is difficult and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this I had this chat with Carlie and Brad whose business,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the Fit Shop, burned to the ground a few weeks
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: ago now, and we're doing a fundraiser for them, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: if you feel like coming along, everybody, just please come
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and support them. It's in a couple of weeks. I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: think it's fuck. I should know it's June second or
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: something I shouldn't know off the top of my head.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But but you know, I mean, I think the beauty
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of having a show like this and a platform like
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: this is to get people on who sometimes like you.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Right now, mate, it's okay to go. Look, I'm not
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: being negative when I say things suck right now, you
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: know that that's not you being a silk. That's not
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you looking for attention, because I think there's a real
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: propensity when people get on podcasts or shows to kind
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of be all about, oh, yeah, this happened, and this
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: was the lesson and this was yeah, that's that's cool,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and here's seven key insights, and here's five strategies to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: do this and that. But sometimes too, like in the moment,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Like the practical reality is that physically, mentally, emotionally, financially,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: sometimes it sucks. And so for you right now, So
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: still lots of pain, am I correct? And still like
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a fair bit of unknown in terms of the medical stuff.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just wanting to be you know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: wanting to make sure everything's okay for family, you know. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I've thought with all that stuff from the past, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: but it's you know how hard it is you lift weights.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It's it's tough at times when you push yourself right,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: it's pain and it's stuff. And I'm like done that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: for a long time, and I feel like, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I've suffered and there's pain and I can it's it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: difficult obviously the pain, but I'm like, I get more
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: worried about my wife and the kids and stuff. So
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to make sure, you know that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: they're okay, and I want to make sure that everything's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: okay for them. So I'm like, it's, you know, I've
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: always been very I come from you know, a medical family,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Like I want to make sure I've always been very
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: strict with my medical health and it's and if I
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: wasn't I wouldn't have never found this tumor. You know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I was always trying to you know, I did. I was,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you know, a natural world champion before I ever switched
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: over to do this, you know, competing in the I
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: F B and the Mysterill Impure and you go down
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that route later on in my career. It was like,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: so it was now, you know, going back and doing
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: this to try and get back into competing. I made
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: sure everything was you know, okay from that aspect. I
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: just didn't realize, you know, when I did dehydrate before
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: this contest, that I would feel that way. They getting
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: on stage, it was like, okay, this is yeah, this
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: isn't where I want to be. And you know, if
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: they can figure out what's going on with these sieges,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's it's just strange that they're happening.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to stay in touch with you. Look.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: The good news every one is this his brain still
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: works well enough that he can coach people, you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this was just a ruse to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: not really, but I mean the great thing is that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and I do I do want to give
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Joshah blatant plug because I do want to. You know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he's one of my friends and I love him and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I want to support him. But you know, he's just
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: opened the door, not just but he's opened the door
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: on doing some work training people. And by the way,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: not necessarily, in fact preferably in some ways, not elite athletes,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: not elite bodybuilders, just people who want to train, people
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: who want to get in shape, and people who want
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: somebody who really understands training and understands optimizing genetic potential.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And so if people want to a program written by
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you and some kind of ongoing coaching mate where they
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: can connect with you. You don't need to live in Melbourne,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: which is where Josh lives. You can live. In fact,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you can live anywhere in the world. And that's the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: beauty of I guess technology these days is you can
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: have a coach, a mentor or a teacher. Somebody is going
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to help you through that process that doesn't need to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: live around the corner. So anyone can be coached by
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you and mentored by you in that space. Mate, Is
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that right?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Mate, Well that's what I noticed when I was overseas,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like this isn't my time to be back competing it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: my time to be giving back. And that was my
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: kind of epiphany. It was, Okay, I've gone through It's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: not why is this happening to me? It's what do
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I need to learn from this experience? It was okay, well,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: obviously was able to toughen out all these adversities and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: trials and struggles that life's thrown at me, and they
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: still keep getting up and still keep putting the work
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and then doing what I need to do. So how
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: can I then help others when they're going through something
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that you know, may not be as severe but still
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: be quite difficult for their lifestyle, And how can I
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: then invest in them and help them? So it was
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that was where I'm now. I just turned to well,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I've got such a vast amount of knowledge with what
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I was able to accomplish to then pass that on
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to to other people. So if anyone wants to do that,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: it's through my other main Instagram, which is my name
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: will be in this Josh Lenadowitz, So just send me
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a DM or Facebook, and then Josh Lenadowitz dot com
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: is the website as well.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And again stuck, if you get stuck and you can't
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: find him, send me an email just through my website
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and I'll put you together. And I think also important
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to point out that you know, you're happy to help
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: people who want to get on stage, but that's you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you happy to really help anyone who wants to even
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: beginners who want to get underway and start weight training.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe people who've never lifted a weight but just need
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: somebody with vast knowledge to kind of keep an eye
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: on them and give them a little bit of a guide. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think with me, I think I've done
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: so many different diets and plans and stuff around. I've
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: done so many things right and now with what you said,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: they're still trying to figure things out. And we know that,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: you know, with nutrition, it's kind of everything. So you've
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: will be a fan bit of a fan of Jordan Peterson,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I assume, and they've gone through just that Carnival diet,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I think maybe it's time for
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: me to give that a bit of a crack. So
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I've been on here a handful of times. I love you.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe we use this as a bit of a platform
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to say, well, let's do me to turn into the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Carnival man, to try that out for a bit and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: see how that affects me with getting rid of these
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: seizes in this pain and me go onto that and
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a bit of an update letter.
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  Speaker 1: Have you started that or are you going to?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Let's do it. I'll start now thinking about that after
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: we spoke last night. Well, let's when we do this podcast.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Let's make that the d day.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, so good. So let's all right,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: so are you going to start that now?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Just meet mate, I'll give it a crack.
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  Speaker 1: Wow wow, all right, so happy.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's my discipline, mate, I should be able
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to do it, if I can get through those the
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: rest of the stuff I've gone through. If I can't
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  Speaker 2: do it, how can I be a coach and tell
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: people to die and need healthy.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: By the way, everyone, that's not a personal recommendation that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you become a carnival Ony diet.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But it isn't. But if someone's struggling with keto is
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: meant to be a great thing for epilepsy. Yet they
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: get very concerned about people's cholesterol and that they put
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: people on statins and seize your medication. Whereas Carnival's kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: of a bit more of a newer thing for people
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: so I'm not recommending people do that whatsoever. I'm saying
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: for someone like me, who's in the rare instance who's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: been a profession nobody will who's had a cranyotomy and
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: had a tumor in the head and had seizures and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: had all these things, it's yeah, try something a little
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: bit different, especially when he's got his wife and kids
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to fight for. That's a great motivational tool.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: All right. So I'm looking in my phone. So tomorrow
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: is the twenty third of May.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: So when do you want to have me on next
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: mante so that this is let's do.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So let's say you start tomorrow on the twenty third,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So one week, two week, the four weeks is four
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: weeks is the twentieth of June. So I'm going to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: write down June twenty, June twenty, June twenty. We're going
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to get you back on on June twenty, which means
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you will it'll be your twenty eighth day, and we're
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: just going to talk about how you've gone on four
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: weeks of me only cuz that's that's an interesting N
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: equals one study. We're always talking about that here. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Josh is the researcher and he is the subject. So
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: all right, mate, well we mate love you too.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Buddy, and said sorry for complaining any one other story
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: was a little bit not.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Complaining, not complaining. We're just having a chat and you're
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: going through a ship time and that's it. Not everything struggle,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Not everything needs to be you know, life is peaks
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and troughs, and sometimes you know, it's like loving someone,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: caring about someone, wanting to support someone. Sometimes it's the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: troughs where we really need to work. You know, it's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like I, when your life's going great, I'm happy to
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: just get the fuck out of the road as your friend.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I don't need to talk to you on a daily
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: basis or weekly basis and and fucking pump up your tires.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But you know, you and I have connected, Like the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: most times where we've connected deeply is often when things
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have gone a bit shit for you. And that's that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: not because you only reach out to me when you
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: need something, but that's when I feel like, hopefully I
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: can be of value to you and help you and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: support you. And that's to me, that's like I feel,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And I know that you're grateful, but you don't need
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to be. But for me, I feel like I have
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: an ability to be able to help people in that way,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: So I think I need to use that, you know.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And I think having conversations like this when things are
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: not great, albeit not that common, that everyone wants to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: get on a podcast and be all love and light
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and unicorns and positivity. And I understand that because that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: gets bums on seats, but also that's not reflective of life,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: because sometimes life's a fuckfest of pain and bullshit, and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you know, that's where we're at, and it's okay, it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: okay to go. Look, today is a bit shit. That's
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: not you being negative, that's you just reporting on how
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: today is, you know. And so for me, while this
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: is maybe not a typical fucking let's all sing Kumbai
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Ah and conquer the world, I still think these conversations
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: are really important. And you know, I appreciate you for
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: being honest and vulnerable and authentic in the middle of
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, mate, And I also know that not
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: what happens to you, it's what you do about it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So I hope from you know this conversation as well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it's what can I do about it? And Some things
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: are out of my control. But what is in my control?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I hope I can control that and and create a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: better outcome.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you can do, motherfucker. You can
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: eat meat for twenty eight days and laugh at you.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You might get rid of your fat face.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Love you. I love your fat face.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: So anybody more men to love? Love you, mate,