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EP032 False Analogies Exposed (#10) · The Immutable Word

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I'd rather be overcritical and be careful about the things I consume and believe
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rather than just be super shallow and believe everything.
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I think every Christian ought to endeavor to be a little bit critical about things.
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The Bible says prove all things. That is the job and the obligation of a Christian.
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The Bereans, where they heard Paul and the Bible says these were more noble
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than those in Thessalonica, the Bible says that the Thessalonians received the
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Word of God as it is the Word of God, not the Word of men.
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They had enough common sense and enough education, enough spirituality to understand
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and recognize what the words of God were.
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Hey man, welcome back to the studio. Welcome back to the studio,
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Alan. Hey, thanks. It's good to be here. I mean, I live here.
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We're back for another round of, well, before I start going into it,
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welcome to The Immutable Word. I haven't said that for a while, right?
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If you're a new listener and you're just now tuning in, we've been going through
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a fallacy series and we're actually covering our very last one, number 10.
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I had to go and look back to see what episode that we actually started this
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series in. It was episode 7.
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And did I say this was episode 29?
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Something like that. Yeah, we're close enough to 30. Over 20 episodes to cover the 10.
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There's so much to talk about. But honestly, I don't think, just to kind of
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be fair to the listeners, I think doing 10 right after another could be kind of tedious.
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So it's nice to break up the monotony a little bit. Yeah, we had to throw some
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interesting little side quests of things that we were, I don't know,
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stuff. I can't think of words.
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But the thing is, the fallacies that we've been covering have been weaved in
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to the other things that we've been covering that weren't specifically fallacy-focused in our episode.
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So it's been a really good exercise. We would learn about certain fallacies,
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and then we would go, and I always bring up the Candace Owens and the Tucker
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Carlson thing. I thought that was a really cool thing to do.
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And we would just listen to the whole thing and analyze it, break it down.
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I'm like, all right, let's see if we can figure out all the fallacies that are
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being committed here. And that was pretty fun.
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And I know we've done the meme episode.
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Right. We did something similar where that was some Pinterest posts that we decided to take apart.
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And so those were fun. I liked it. Yeah, and hopefully the takeaway from some of that is...
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That some of our listeners would know, like, it doesn't end here just because we covered the 10.
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Now we move on. You'll never deal with another fallacy again.
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The idea is that you see fallacies everywhere and you'll encounter them in dozens
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and dozens of interactions, right?
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I mean, like we said before, you'll hear fallacies. You'll read fallacies in
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books and articles that you read.
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You'll see them in YouTube videos that you watch. You'll see them on,
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you know, other social media platforms. You'll see them in commercials,
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in movies, you know what I mean?
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Sometimes I think it's a, it's a good, healthy exercise, especially when you watch a movie.
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I know most times we watch a movie, it's going to be like for entertainment, right?
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Some people will watch movies. And of course, if you're ultra spiritual,
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you probably never seen a movie before in your entire life.
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But let's just say some of, some, some of those folks that maybe are less spiritual, get it?
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Equivification, you know, anyway, but the point is, is, you know,
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if you watch a movie, you know, what's a good thing to do is if a,
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I don't even care, I don't care if it's a Hallmark movie, Christian movie,
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whatever, you're going to hear fallacies.
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Wait. Commit it. In a Hallmark movie, you're going to hear fallacies? Yeah. Come on.
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And so the- Peel the emotion. Yeah, right, exactly.
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But the thing is, is it's a good exercise to stop and say-
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Am I detecting any fallacies here, right? Am I seeing or am I hearing arguments
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here that don't make sense?
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Is there something wrong with what a person just, you know, a claim a person just made, right?
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It's a good exercise to do that. And we should all, as Christians,
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as believers, ask ourselves, if I was confronted with that fallacy, how would I respond?
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What would I say? How would I address it? How would I engage?
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You know, and that is a good exercise to constantly be,
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I mean, even with friends, you know, if you guys are talking about politics
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or you're talking about some kind of crazy something, and then maybe you guys
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are arguing about money, stop and say, okay, you know, are we committing fallacies here?
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Is there some kind of, is there an error in the way that we're reasoning through
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this? You know, and it's a good, healthy exercise. That's what I say.
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It helps you, it strengthens your thinking muscles and you want to be able to
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respond and you want to be able to say like, hey, for a second,
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I think maybe we're getting off topic here or,
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hey, that particular issue you just brought up is completely irrelevant to what
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we were talking about or,
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hey, you're misrepresenting what I'm actually trying to say or am I misrepresenting you?
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Did I say something that it does not represent what you believe?
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You know, those are good, just good core exercises and behaviors to kind of
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engage in when you're dealing with people in everyday conversations or things
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that you consume, social media, whatever, right?
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It's good. In songs you hear, you can hear, you know, I'm not gonna talk about
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Julia Ward Howell and mine eyes have seen- It's your favorite, I know.
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It's your favorite patriotic song, right? Yeah, exactly, right.
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So, but, you know, anyway, there's tons of fallacies, by the way,
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in that particular song. Maybe we'll do an episode on Julia Ward Howell,
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That would be a really interesting one. I think we ought to,
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honestly. Yeah, we do. I mean, I love history.
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I love digging into this stuff, especially history that's not common.
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That's right. And that's an interesting bit of history.
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I mean, matter of fact, we're talking about false analogy today, right?
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Yeah. And she actually created a false analogy saying she saw the Lord God trampling
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out the vintage. She didn't rightly divide.
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Where the grapes of wrath are stored. and what she actually meant,
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and she was equivocating, what she was trying to say is these northern soldiers
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are trampling out southern confederate soldiers, and it's equivalent to,
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the Lord Jesus Christ coming back in the second advent.
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So anyway, not to get into it, but the point is, is there's fallacies in hymns.
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There's songs that we sing, there are logical fallacies there.
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So, you know, anyway, does that make me overcritical? Maybe, but you know what?
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I'd rather be overcritical and be careful about the things I consume and believe
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rather than just be super shallow and believe everything, right?
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I mean, I think every Christian ought to endeavor to be a little bit critical about things, right?
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It's just a good—the Bible says prove all things, hold fast to that which is
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true, 1 Thessalonians 5.21.
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That is the job and the obligation of a Christian.
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The Bereans, right, we talked about it over and over again, where they heard
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Paul, And the Bible says these were more noble than those in Thessalonica.
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And just to draw a reference there, but you look at 1 Thessalonians 2 and verse
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13, the Bible says that the Thessalonians received the word of God as it is
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the word of God, not the word of men.
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They had enough knowledge.
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Common sense and enough education, enough spirituality to understand and recognize
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what the words of God were.
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But the Bible says the Bereans were more noble than the Thessalonians in that
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they searched the scriptures to see whether those things were so, they were critical.
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That's critical thinking. So anyway, that's the whole point,
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again, of learning these fallacies.
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I think it helps you, man. Don't, you know, don't end here. There's a ton of
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fallacies and out there and you can, and you just, if you did one of these things
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where, you know what, I'm going
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to learn a fallacy a week or a fallacy a month, you know what I mean?
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And just understand the examples of it, define it properly, you know,
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try to see where you can find examples on the internet, you know,
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movies, commercials, YouTube, whatever, you name it. And you'll get better at it.
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Trust me, you'll get better at it. Yeah, absolutely.
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It's a, it's a training ground, especially in arguments with your spouse.
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Like how many fallacies can you pick out? It's a training ground for the Christian.
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Exactly. If you really want to strengthen your marriage.
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But, you know, it's a training ground for the Christian.
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But the problem is, is the world is a breeding ground for fallacies.
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And they're everywhere. And they're everywhere. And it just helps you.
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It's just, it reinforces your faith. It strengthens your belief.
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You know, it actually gives you a sense of confidence too. Matter of fact,
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whenever you talk to people, you don't feel so intimidated.
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You know, I've, you know, I don't know how many times I've talked to quote unquote
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educated people, you know, that people are getting their master's degree there
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or, you know, biology student at UT or a philosophy, you know, major.
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And you get intimidated because you assume that these people know something you don't.
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But then when you listen to their arguments, you know, oh, there is no God.
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Well, so what exactly is your argument? And then what's the proof?
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That your argument's true. And if you break down the argument and then you can,
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and of course, by breaking down the argument, you're looking for fallacies, right?
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Anyway, the better you get at it, the more confident you're going to be in witnessing
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to others and, you know, going out there and telling people about your faith
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and contending for the faith and defending the faith.
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So anyway, one thing I do want to say though, especially for,
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you know, people that are interested in learning something about apologetics, right?
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Getting to understand how to use apologetics, how to apply them.
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One of the things I would say is the very first place you start with apologetics is doctrine.
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Learn the Word of God and what you believe. Why do you believe Jesus Christ
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is the only way to heaven?
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Why do you believe Jesus Christ is God? Why do you believe there is such a thing as the Trinity?
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Why do you believe that the King James Bible is the perfect Word of God?
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Why do you believe in divine preservation?
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Why do you believe in eternal security? If you cannot answer those questions
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with a sufficient amount of scripture, then that's where I would tell you to start. Start there.
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Then you can contend for the faith, and then you can defend it.
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How do you defend something you don't know, right? Yeah, bingo.
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So again, I did want to go back to that the idea of learning fallacies is to
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be able to think critically because...
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If we commit fallacies, it's an error, and we're not supposed to think like
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that. It's in violation of God's word.
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This isn't some sort of way to demonstrate your academic abilities,
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and I just wanted to say that again.
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This is something that will allow you to help defend the faith,
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just like you said, doctrine, be able to articulate what you believe.
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So, these are tools to help with things like that. And so anyways,
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without further ado, let's jump into this one.
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I think this is a really good one. I think the last time we were discussing
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back and forth, like, which ones are our favorite ones?
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What are the top fallacies that we think we see all the time?
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And when this one when
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i saw this one like yeah this one's probably another very very common maybe
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that makes the top three who knows but the the false analogy fallacy is a very
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common fallacy and what that what that is is this a false analogy occurs when
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two things are compared as if they're alike,
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but the key differences are, are ignored.
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So. Right. Similarity between two things and you focus and emphasize more on
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the similarities, but you, you do, and you do, you ignore the differences, right?
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If you don't, if you ignore the differences, then you may, it may lead you to
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a very wrong conclusion. That's the problem with the false analogy.
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Yeah. Two things may be similar and they may have similar qualities,
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but if you don't stop and say, okay, well, what, but what's different about them, right?
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You know, there, there's a lot of things like that, that false analogies,
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there's a lot of examples and we'll go through some specific examples,
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but I'll give you one right off the top of my head.
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Kingdom of heaven versus kingdom
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of God. False analogy. As if they're the same. As if they're the same.
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Do they have similar qualities? Absolutely.
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We're both being preached at the time of Christ's first advent? Absolutely.
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When you read one gospel like Matthew, you'll hear, repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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Then you'll read in another gospel, same passage, repent for the kingdom of
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God is at hand. The assumption is, oh, they're both the same, right? Right?
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They overemphasize the similarities. Well, the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom
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of God must be the same thing, but they ignore the key differences.
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Well, what's the key difference?
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The key difference is the Bible says over there in Matthew chapter 10,
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that the kingdom of heaven suffer the violence and the violent take it by force.
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But in Romans chapter, I think it's 15 or 16, actually, I can't remember the
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exact verse. Oh no, no, 14. It's Romans 14.
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The Bible says that the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace,
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and joy in the Holy Ghost.
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Well, wait a minute. If one kingdom is violent and the violent take it by force,
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and another one is peace, righteousness, and joy, they can't be the same thing.
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And you know what another key difference is? The spelling.
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Heaven doesn't equal God, and God doesn't equal heaven.
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Matter of fact, I could tell you from verse 1 of your Bible,
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Genesis 1, verse 1, in the beginning, God.
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There's one element, God. That's the creator, right? Would you say God is the creation?
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Are we pantheists now?
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Everything is God and God is in everything? No, it says in the beginning, God created.
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He's the first cause. What did he create? The heaven. Oh, wait a minute.
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You have God in heaven in the same verse. They're not the same thing.
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So if you create a false analogy between kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God,
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you ignore the key differences between God and his creation.
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God is not his creation and his creation is not God.
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And so just by assuming, now this is something simple.
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There's a lot of my fundamentalist friends that don't think there's any difference
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between kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God, and they'll argue to their blue
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in the face because, look, it's used in this verse and then it's used interchangeably
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in this verse. So they must be the same thing.
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But if you ignore all the key distinctions and differences that's found throughout
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Scripture, it will lead you to a false analogy, a false equivalency,
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and it will lead you eventually to false doctrines.
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So, anyway, that's just a real simple example of what a false analogy is and
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the consequences of a false analogy.
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Yeah, so let's look at another example. So, we've seen something against Christians.
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That's a really good one, by the way. Well, let me do this before we do that.
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It's also known as, there's several names, and, you know, some people know false
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analogy, but maybe they've heard these other terms, like, for example,
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faulty analogy or bad analogy or false metaphor.
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Or weak analogy because it's a weak example.
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False comparison too, right? False comparison.
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There's a lot of different ways that you can hear this. You know,
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somebody might describe it, you know, but the point is, is that it overemphasizes
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like superficial similarity, right?
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And it's misleading comparison because it's trying to draw you into a conclusion
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that's false, but by taking something that's similar and then trying to make them equivalent.
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Okay, that's a false equivalency. That's another statement.
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So it's not equivocation because it's not using the same words necessarily.
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What you're doing is you're taking two separate things, two separate words,
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or two separate types of things or two objects, and you're trying to say,
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well, their similarities make them the same.
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And no, we got to stop and say, wait a minute, before we get there,
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let's look at the key differences.
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It's like saying a dog and a cat. They both have fur, they have four legs,
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they have a snout and whiskers, so they're the same thing. Right.
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Yeah, or they have, there's something the same about them, you know,
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and there may be some similarities, but again, what makes them different?
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That's what you got to focus on. But here's an example for, you know,
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say somebody's attacking a Christian.
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They'll go, well, believing in Jesus is like believing in Santa.
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Both are invisible and unverifiable. That's a false analogy.
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Jesus Christ is not like Santa at any stretch of the imagination.
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Matter of fact, I've heard Jesus Christ compared to Thor.
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Jesus Christ is compared to Osiris or Horus because there's legends of them
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rising from the dead and so forth and so on, right?
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And being born of a virgin and so forth. So they'll say, oh,
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look at these similarities. They're the same.
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Jesus Christ is just like another mythological legend. But it's a bad analogy
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because they're not looking at the key differences.
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Now, just because one may have involved a virgin, you find out later on it wasn't
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a virgin. She was a whore.
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Then you find out, oh, December 25th was the birthday.
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It wasn't December 25th. It was during a winter solstice, a certain time that
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was close to it, but it had nothing to do with December 25th.
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And not only that, Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th.
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So the problem is, is again, they're taking certain similarities and they're
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emphasizing those similarities and coming to the conclusion that the same thing.
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No, that's a bad analogy.
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False thing, right? Ignores again
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the historical prophetic and eyewitness evidence around Jesus Christ.
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There is no historical eyewitness evidence around Santa Claus.
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So you can't, that's why it's a bad analogy. You're comparing two things that are not the same.
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I suppose a good way to think about it is if you are removing the evidence of
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the details of, like you said, the existence of God as opposed to Santa, right?
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Yeah, but this is where you stop. You say, well, what about the differences?
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That's probably the best way to put it then. You're saying they're the same,
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but what about the differences?
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What's different about Jesus Christ and Satan? It's basically the other side of it. Right.
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That's the point is, again, you're overemphasizing a similarity.
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They may be very superficial, very superficial.
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Well, you know, Jesus Christ, you know, he watches those that are good and he's
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aware of what's going on.
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And Luke Santa, he looks for those that are good. Well, wait a minute.
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That's a bad analogy because you're ignoring the overwhelming historical evidence
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for the existence of Jesus Christ, the resurrection, the followers of Jesus
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Christ. There's eyewitness testimony.
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We haven't written a written record of this eyewitness testimony.
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There's no inconsistencies or contradictions in this. Show me the same thing for Santa.
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That's a bad analogy. It's a bad comparison, right? Same thing for Osiris and
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Horus and all these other so-called mythological legends. They are not the same.
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There are huge discrepancies between the two. And if you just ignore the discrepancies
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and say, well, I'm not going to even pay attention to discrepancies.
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I'm just going to focus on the fact that there's some similarities there. So they must be the same.
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Not only is that a hasty generalization, not only is it a misrepresentation,
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but you're making a false comparison. They are not the same.
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You're comparing two things that are not the same because you're ignoring the distinctions.
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You're ignoring the discrepancies. You're ignoring the deltas,
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the differences. If you're doing that, you're not making an honest comparison.
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Right. So another one would be, for example, against creationists,
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you know, like we said before with equivocation, creation is like baking a cake.
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Both need a recipe and a chef.
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And again, this is a false analogy because it oversimplifies divine creation
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with a human process. Baking a cake is nothing like the complexity in the human genome.
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It's not the same thing as the complexity that's found in the eyeball or the
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complexity that's found in the circulatory system.
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That is not the same thing as putting a few teaspoons of sugar or whatever,
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a cup of sugar and a few teaspoons of baking oil or whatever, right?
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And baking soda into a cake. It's not the same thing. It's a false equivocation.
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And somebody that oversimplifies that argument and then throws that at a Christian,
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not only is it a false analogy, but what are they also doing?
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It's a straw man because they're misrepresenting what a creationist actually believes.
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So everyday life, this is kind of funny when raising dogs is like training dogs or raising kids.
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I'm sorry, I think I've heard you say that before.
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Some of it may be true, right? But you're equating human development with animal behavior.
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That's what they're doing, right? They're saying, oh, well, if I just give a
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dog a treat, you know, they'll obey.
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And if I just give a kid a treat, yeah, but what are you going to do with that kid's 13?
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15, 18, 20, you know what I'm saying? It's totally different.
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They're not the same thing.
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The behavior and the behavioral development of a child is very different than
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the behavioral development of an animal or a dog.
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So again, it's a false analogy. It's a bad comparison.
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It's a weak analogy, right? What you want to do is if you're going to be in
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an analogous discussion and you're trying to compare two things,
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you need to make a strong comparison and not a weak comparison.
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So, like, for example, we might talk about the triune nature of the universe,
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that we have three persons in the Godhead.
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Romans 1, the Bible says, the invisible things of him are clearly seen in the
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things that are made. So we would use things like in the universe as a picture
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of the Godhead or the Trinity.
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You know, we know that past, present, and future is time, right?
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Time is broken into three elements. Well, God is the Father,
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the Son, and the Spirit, but they're all God. That's what they are.
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Who they are is distinctly different, right? So anyway, there's some good analogies
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that you can use to teach something, But even some of those become weak over
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time, you know, because you've got to be careful, especially with the Trinity.
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Maybe we'll do an episode on the Trinity one day, but on really on good arguments
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for the Trinity and bad arguments for the Trinity, right? So anyway...
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Then everyday life, again, you know, training kids is like training dogs.
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All you got to do is just give them a bunch of treats and discipline.
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They'll be good to go. Well, what about in the Bible?
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Well, in John 18, 38, Pilate, he goes to Jesus Christ.
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And of course, Jesus Christ tells him, he's trying to explain to him who he
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is. And of course, he ignores Jesus Christ.
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And Pilate asked this inevitable rhetorical question. And what does he say? What is truth?
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What is truth, right? And so he makes truth, instead of it being an objective,
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universal, invariant standard,
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he just makes it an object of philosophical speculation. Well, what is truth?
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Your truth is as good as my truth, and what you say differs from what the Pharisees
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are saying, and they obviously want to crucify you. They don't want you as their king.
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They want Caesar as their king. So he makes truth a relative subjective standard
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instead of it being objective, universal, invariant truth.
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So it's now just philosophical speculation.
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And he didn't want the answer because he never stopped to listen to Christ's response.
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He didn't wait for Christ to respond. He just turned away and walked away.
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So he falsely analogized, you know, he makes this analogy of divine truth and
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human relativism. And he dismisses the absolute nature of truth.
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The Bible says in John 14, 6, Jesus said of himself, he said,
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I am the way, right? That the is a definite article.
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He didn't say I am a way, one of many ways.
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He says, I am the way, the life, the truth. No man cometh unto the Father,
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but by me, no exceptions.
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Jesus Christ didn't allow for any exceptions.
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So that means there is no variableness in truth, according to him being the
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embodiment of truth, right?
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Then in John 17, verse 17, Jesus is praying and he says, sanctify them by thy word.
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Thy word is truth, not a truth.
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It's not a component of truth.
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It doesn't just tell truths. It is the definitive standard of truth.
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God's word is truth. Bible tells us in the book of Deuteronomy,
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God is a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
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The Bible says, I think in Psalms 33, it says, for the word of the Lord is right
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and all his works are done in righteousness.
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So again, the Bible is very clear that the words of God are objectively true.
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So that means the nature of truth in the Bible, when God is speaking of truth
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and Jesus Christ is speaking of truth, he's not talking about something that's relative.
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He's not talking about something that's subjective, something that is malleable
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with, you know, culture and society or somebody's opinion.
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So when, when Pilate said, what is truth? He's making a false analogy.
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He's saying, well, you know, truth is just a philosophical speculation.
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Truth is whatever you want to make it to be. So when people go,
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oh, well, you know, your truth is different than my truth. They're making a false analogy.
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They're misrepresenting. They're making a straw man argument on what biblical truth is.
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It's just like when we talked about the equivocation of faith. Faith is blind.
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Well, what are they doing? And again, the difference between equivocation and
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false analogy is if you're using, in equivocation, you're using the same word.
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But different meanings. False analogy is you're using two different things and
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saying their similarities make them the same.
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So that's the difference. So again, what he's saying is truth,
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and it is kind of a formative equivocation that he's saying here,
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but it's also a false analogy because again,
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he's taking relative subjective humanistic truth and trying to say,
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well, you know, it's the same thing as God's truth.
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And that's a false analogy, basically. yeah that's
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that's pretty deep when you look at it look at it that way
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and again it's it's pretty consistent when you go through this
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this fallacy there's always connected fallacies that
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result yeah there's always issues yeah there's always going to be a domino effect
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there's always going to be a chain connection basically of fallacies after and
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again don't ever you know it's rare when just one fallacy is committed in a
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bad argument a lot of times it's always
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a combination It's several or a combination or one leads to another.
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So, yeah, it's, man, it's a healthy thing. Understand that.
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Look for it. Identify it. You know, again, you're not trying to pull the rug out from somebody.
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What you're trying to do is have an honest conversation.
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And the only way you can have an honest conversation is to get rid of all the
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junk that doesn't need to be part of the conversation. And that's usually going
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to be logical fallacies, right? So. Yep.
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All right, so discerning. We talk about this a little bit as,
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well, you alluded to it, going into it, spotting these. Discern it.
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Like, how does a Christian.
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How do they pop up and how do you just jump on it right away?
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You have to be like a human detection system. Right. Logically.
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What can you do, right? What can you do as a Christian to kind of help you discern
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and understand that, hey, this is a fallacy? Well, in a conversation that you're
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having, maybe it is antagonistic.
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Maybe you're trying to witness to somebody and somebody's attacking your faith
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or they're challenging your belief, right? Maybe that's where you stop and say, you know what?
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Let's check the context here. What are we talking about exactly?
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You're saying Jesus Christ is like Horus and Osiris?
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So you're saying are you saying that that osiris
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prophesied of his own death that he
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knew when he was going to die the nature of his death are you saying that there
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was thousands of centuries of prophecies leading up to osiris dying are you
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seeing that osiris is perfectly sinless he never committed a sin that he was
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eternal he he didn't have a starting point is that what you're saying Well,
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no, no, I'm just saying that, you know, the whole story about the resurrection,
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his resurrection, they're obviously borrowed from. Yeah, but they're not the same.
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What if I were to argue that the legends about Osiris and Horus were just distortions of the truth?
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What if I argued that way? See, the problem is, is you're not focusing on the differences.
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You're focusing on similarities and you're basing your entire argument on that.
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So let's stop and check the context here.
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What are we talking about? What's the basis of this conversation?
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Where are you going with this exactly? What's your argument, right?
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These are healthy questions to ask. And it stops them right in their tracks too.
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You're not going to get stuck in that trap of trying to go down that rabbit
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hole with them. Right. Where a lot of that frustration happens. Yeah.
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And so not only do you check the context, but examine the differences.
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That's where you say, let's stop and let's identify. I did this one time with
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a Muslim, I remember. I was knocking the door.
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And he had just, he came from the Middle East. I can't remember exactly where
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I ran or something like that.
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And he had taught in a public university there. And he was a Muslim.
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I mean, he was very educated, very nice guy. I mean, I didn't feel any,
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you know, antagonism, you know, with him.
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You know, there was no, like, we were trying to argue or debate or anything like that.
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But I remember I was just witnessing to him, one divided into church,
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and he started telling me kind of the common Muslim thing, like,
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oh, you and I both, we both, you know, believe in Jesus.
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We both respect him. We both believe in him as a prophet. That's what he kept saying.
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So he was making, he's making a false comparison because his version of Jesus
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Christ is not the Son of God is not God incarnate in the flesh,
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is not God manifest in the flesh.
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That's not his version. His version is just, he's another man.
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He was just a prophet, just like Muhammad.
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So, that's what he was arguing for.
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And so, I asked him, without having to argue about Jesus or so forth,
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I just asked him some questions, but I highlighted the differences.
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So, I said, oh, you believe in the same Jesus I do?
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And he said, yes. I said, so you believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in
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the flesh. He is the creator of the universe.
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He is the very son of God and that he rose again on the third day after he was
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crucified. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I don't believe that.
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And I said, well, then we don't believe the same Jesus. And I was being nice about it.
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And we did. We had a cordial conversation. We disagreed, obviously.
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But the point is, is he was trying to make a false analogy about who Jesus was.
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He was trying to equivocate and make Jesus Christ just like another prophet.
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You know what's interesting about that?
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I want to say it's Matthew 17 where you had the Mount of Transfiguration.
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Remember, Peter, James, and John are up on the mountain with Jesus Christ.
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And when Jesus Christ, the Bible says that a light shone down from heaven,
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because Peter came there, the first thing out of Peter's mouth,
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he's like, oh, he sees Jesus.
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Jesus is transformed before them, and Jesus is talking to Moses and Elijah, right?
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Right. Moses and Elijah are both prophets, okay? Yep.
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So he looks at those three, and what does Peter say?
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Peter goes, oh, Lord, let us build, he said, let us build a tabernacle for each
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one of them, for Moses, Elijah, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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So what was he doing? He was making a false equivocation and saying that he's
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just like those prophets.
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Jesus is just like Elijah. He's just a man that's a prophet.
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And Moses is just like, he's just a man that's a prophet, so is Jesus Christ.
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He was making a false equivalency.
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It's a false analogy.
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But God out of heaven said, this is my son in whom I'm well pleased.
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Hear ye him.
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Not Moses, not Elijah. He's very different. And the Bible says that Peter fell on his face.
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Later on, he talks about it in his epistle. But the point is,
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is that he was trying to make a false analogy and saying Jesus was just like Moses and Elijah.
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And God said, nope, you're not paying attention to the differences.
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This is my son. Moses wasn't my son and Elijah's not my son.
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He's my son. So that right there was, honestly, it's an attack on the Muslim
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faith because Muslims deny that there's any distinction between Jesus, Moses, and Elijah.
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It's just another prophet, the rest of them. Exactly. But the Bible makes that distinction.
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Again, how do you get around a false analogy? Pay attention to the differences.
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It's so simple. I like when you said that to me because that cleared it up.
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Is like, okay, they're similar, but what about the differences? Exactly.
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The differences make a huge, huge difference, right?
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And then, of course, test the relevance of it, right? So if somebody's arguing,
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for example, that Osiris and Horus are just like Jesus Christ,
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the legends around them, what's the relevance of that argument?
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What are they trying to prove?
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Oh, they're trying to prove that Jesus Christ is fictional.
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Well, that leads to a different argument now. Well, wait a minute.
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Are you denying the historicity of Jesus Christ?
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Are you saying that Jesus Christ was a fictional character?
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That he wasn't actually a real person in history? Is that what you're trying to say?
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Are you trying to say that there's no historical evidence that Jesus Christ
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existed? Again, because once you understand the relevance of that false analogy,
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you'll understand the conclusion they're trying to draw.
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Now you can challenge the conclusion, right? So that's why a false analogy,
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you got to stop and say, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Are these things really the same? Let's talk about some of the differences here.
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It sounds like you're ignoring some key differences. So, I mean,
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you know, again, there's a good question you could say is how are those two
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things truly alike in essence?
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I'm talking about at the core fundamental of their being, how are those two things the same?
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Well, there are some differences. Okay, well, let's stop and talk about the
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differences then for a second.
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Let's just not assume they're the same, right? And so that's the problem with
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the false analogy is somebody doesn't stop them, doesn't check the contents,
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doesn't examine the differences, and doesn't test the relevance of it.
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Yeah, they just take it at face value and then you get in trouble. That's it. Yeah.
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That is it. Yeah, well, just about, right? But let's talk about relevance.
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Yeah, why does it matter, right? Why does it matter to a Christian?
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Why does any of this matter, right? And it's just like every fallacy,
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at the end of the day, it's because we are children of God, we represent the truth of God,
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we are stewards of the manifold mystery of God, and we have a responsibility
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because we have a ministry of reconciliation.
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How do you reconcile a false
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evil world that's completely drowned in
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lies and deception if you're not properly
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representing the truth well it matters so false analogies the problem with false
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analogies we've already alluded to it but it distorts doctrine because if i'm
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comparing two things then not only am i not representing it correctly i'm distorting
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it meaning that i'm I'm telling a lie, essentially.
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And now I'm going to mislead somebody, or I could potentially,
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somebody that could potentially trust in Christ, or maybe even a baby Christian,
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maybe someone I'm discipling.
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I can mislead them by equating spiritual truths with flawed human parallels, right?
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How many times, this is what I, I'm going to step into dangerous water again,
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but let's just say a preacher gets behind the pulpit and makes a bunch of anecdotal
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examples, and he draws from his own personal life, but he's trying to make an
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equivalency with something in Christ's character.
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Well, Jesus Christ obeyed the father. And now the preacher goes, you know what?
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There was times that whenever I obeyed my father, my father rewarded me. Oh, wait a minute.
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Are you comparing yourself to Jesus Christ?
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See, that's a false analogy. Yeah, dangerous waters. You see,
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that's why you got to be very careful about that.
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I don't know how many times I've heard, you know, somebody's trying to witness
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to a kid and go, you know, well, you know, you can't tell a lie if you lie to your parents.
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Wait a minute. Lying to your parents is different than lying to God.
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Sinning against God is different than sinning against your brother or sister.
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You see what I'm saying? That's a false analogy.
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That's why you got to be very careful. When you present the truth,
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you got to present it in its factual, you know, its form, the way that God presents the word of God.
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You can't distort it. You can't use analogous language and analogies that aren't
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true to the word of God or dishonor or even misrepresent God's word.
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That's why it's so important to understand the false analogy because so many
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Christians, they tend, it comes out in their witnessing and their discipleship
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and their preaching a lot.
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Let me give you an example of Jesus Christ obeying God by, let me show you some
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things that I've obeyed God in.
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I pay my tithe, I show up to church, I do this, I do that, whatever, right?
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And they'll make this list and then they'll try to, and then the person,
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especially a young Christian, maybe it's a young kid, will go,
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oh man, I love my pastor because he reminds me of Jesus, because he's just like Jesus.
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Now listen, I understand that we have We we have a desire and a goal to be like
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more christ-like in our life, right?
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But, and, and, and, you know, for somebody, and sometimes there may be even
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a sense of pride to think that, oh, somebody sees me just like Jesus Christ.
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You got to be very careful because you live in a glass house and there's a chance
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that somebody starts following a man rather than Christ and they'll see all
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the imperfections and the hypocrisies in your life.
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And they'll immediately associate that with Jesus Christ.
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That's where you got to be careful with these false analogies.
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That's why you got to be, you got to make sure that when you're presenting Christ,
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You're presenting Christ in his purest form as revealed to us by the words of
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the living God, not in my anecdotal examples.
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So I would say this is why I remember Brother James Knox, he preached one time
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and he said he always hated outside external illustrations when he was trying
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to prove a biblical point.
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He said he always tried to use biblical illustrations to try to prove a biblical
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point. So like stories in the Bible, not personal experience.
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And I'm not saying you can't use them, but you've got to be very careful how you use those things.
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And, you know, and so. Because of the comparison aspect. Okay,
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you're being compared to somebody in the Bible. Well, exactly. False analogy is what?
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You're trying to take two similar things or things that have similarities and
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try to make them the same and come to a conclusion that they're the same.
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Or lead somebody to the conclusion that they're the same.
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That's why you've got to be careful for it. So the Bible tells us,
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Proverbs 14, 15, the simple believeth every word, but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
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So the simple is the person that's ignorant, the person that's shallow,
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the person that doesn't know how to think for themselves.
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And that means they're going to be led astray. They could be easily led astray
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and they'll believe whatever words you say.
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So if you start giving them false analogies and false comparisons,
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they're going to assume that that's the same thing as far as they're concerned.
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And they won't understand the distinctions.
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That's why I always say, you know, things, you know, what's the old saying?
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Things similar are not the same or things different are not the same.
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And so, and that's why you have to look at the differences, look at the negative
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aspect just as much as you look at the positive aspect. That's balance.
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The Bible says in 2 Timothy 2.15, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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That's the proper hermeneutic. That's how you study the Bible.
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Why do you have to rightly divide?
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Because that means you have to rightly distinguish the differences.
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You need to make sure that you're not just lumping everything together and making
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the entire Bible applicable to a New Testament Christian.
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When none of us have to go to an altar and sacrifice a dove.
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You know, none of us have to go to a high priest every year and atone for our sins, right?
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We don't have to do that. You don't go to a synagogue, you know?
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You don't wear phylacteries and verses of Scripture on your forehead like the
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Jews did, Deuteronomy 6 and so forth. There's a difference.
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So, the Bible tells us, commands us, it says, study to show thyself approved unto God, right?
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That's where the approval is, well, how am I going to be approved unto God? By rightly dividing.
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That's a distinction. That means you make sure you pay attention to the differences
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just as much as you do the similarities. Nice.
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I think that's it. So we're wrapping it up here. What are some,
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I know we're coming to the end of this series.
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We've done 10 of them. We finally made it, dude.
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So that's awesome yeah what are some key takeaways i mean
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i think this and then maybe you can say something
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about it too but this somebody who's
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exploring this and maybe have been conditioned
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to think a different way which is to just pretty much internalize or at least
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accept everything that you hear from a pulpit or from social media or from your
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environment the the encouragement here is to study God's word,
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number one, get in that book,
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be able to think critically, learn these fallacies and build that framework.
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Logical thinking comes from the Bible here. We're just framing it out.
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So that way it's a guide for somebody or for folks to be able to identify these
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things that happen out in the wild.
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So if there's anything you can walk away with, just start digging in,
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start thinking through what people are saying, what you're hearing,
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social media, radio, movies your workplace or whatever and even unfortunately in the church.
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Yeah. I mean, I would, just to kind of reinforce that, I would say,
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number one, learn doctrine. Number one, learn doctrine.
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Learn it to the point that you can defend it. And then put that defense in real world application.
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That means go out, witness to people, hand people tracts, ask people what they
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think of the Bible, ask people if they believe that there's a God,
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talk to your neighbor, talk to your family member that rejects Christianity,
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ask them what their objections are.
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What is it about Christianity that you dislike or you think is untrue, right?
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Do you or do you not believe God exists?
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What do you think about the Trinity? Do you think the Trinity is actually a
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biblical doctrine, or do you think it's a man-made doctrine?
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Learn how to write these questions down when you talk to somebody and listen
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to the responses and put the doctrine and the defense of that doctrine and the
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contending of that doctrine into real-world, on-the-street application, okay?
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So real-world application is the only way you're going to train yourself. So learn doctrine.
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Number two, learn how to think logically.
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What does logical reasoning look like? what are informal fallacies?
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We've covered 10 of them.
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Learn what they are. Go on YouTube. There's a guy by the name of Dr.
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Jason Lyle. He's a physicist.
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And he, matter of fact, he designed some of the astronomy stuff at the Creation
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Museum there in Arkansas, in Tennessee. Not Tennessee.
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It's going to bug me now. What's Kentucky? Yeah, that's where the Creation Museum is, okay?
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So anyway, so you go to the Ark Museum and the Creation Museum,
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it's near Ohio too, and he designed that stuff.
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Well, anyway, Jason Lyle has made, he has a ministry called the Biblical Science Institute.
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Go to his website. He's got a whole section of articles on logic and logical
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fallacies and things like that.
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Matter of fact, if you go to YouTube and do Jason Lyle, L-I-S-L-E,
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and go do a search on Jason Lyle and fallacies or logical thinking,
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and he's got several hours where he goes through specific examples,
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does what we do, where he goes through examples of logical fallacies.
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In fact, he's got a little book called Discerning Truth. It's a small little
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booklet, but what he does is he'll go through the most common fallacies and
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then he gives you examples of how evolution is.
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Now, his specialty is evolution, creationism, things like that.
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He worked for Answers in Genesis, he worked for ICR, and now he's kind of branched
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off into his own independent ministry, this Biblical Science Institute.
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But get to know those guys, people like Jason Lyle, read their books.
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He's got a book called Logic.
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It's a whole course on logic. Matter of fact, he's got a 10-part series where
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he does like a Sunday school thing where he goes through logical fallacies.
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I use that as the basis of my Bible Institute on biblical logic.
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He's got another book called The Ultimate Proof for Creation,
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and that's where he goes into apologetics.
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He identifies fallacies, logical thinking. But there's another book,
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Love the Lord, Love God with All Your Mind, J.P. Moreland.
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There's a book that we're reading now called Clear Thinking in a Messy World.
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These books highlight—now, I'm not saying that we believe every aspect of their
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denominational and theological beliefs.
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What I'm saying is their focus on apologetics and logical fallacies and reasonable
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thinking and so forth and so on is very valuable.
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Matter of fact, I have a book written by Isaac Watts who wrote the hymns, right?
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The music and stuff like that back in the 1800s. He wrote a book called Logic
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and it was actually the basis of elementary education from elementary up to
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like what we would consider middle school and high school.
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So he wrote a whole entire book on a course, a curriculum on logic.
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Why? Because it was essential that Christians think clearly,
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and they think rationally, and they think logically, because that is the only
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way to reflect the God of our Bible, who was a rational, logical God.
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The Bible says in John 4, verse 24, that God is a spirit, and they that worship
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him must worship him in spirit.'.
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And in truth. So, two fundamental, you know, core elements there.
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Spirit. Spirit is connected with our mind.
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That's the basis of our intellect. That's the basis of our thinking capacity,
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is the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 2, just read it.
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And I'd love to do a Bible study on that chapter, and we need to one time.
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But the Bible tells us that the thinking is the basis of how a man knows something,
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his epistemology. Well, guess what?
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The things of God are known by the spirit. So the spirit is the base of the intellect.
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Okay? So God must be worshiped in spirit and in truth, which is absolute,
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objective, invariant, absolutes.
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That's a moral standard. It is truth. Truth is objective. It's not subjective. Well, guess what?
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That matches the laws of logic.
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The law of inference and the law of non-contradiction and so forth and so on, right?
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Those laws match the God of the universe.
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So in order for a Christian to think like God, he's got to think logically.
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So that's my takeaway from all this. There's a lot more about it.
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I'm actually trying to build and develop a curriculum of apologetics myself
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based off of a lot of the stuff I've learned.
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And, man, there's so much, so much we can cover about apologetics just because
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I think it's, to me, it's just as vital as learning theology,
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you know, in any aspect of theology, honestly.
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Yeah, it's a defense, right? Apologia.
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Yeah, apologia, yeah, it means defense, right? Defense.
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And again, I break down apologetics into four aspects. One is defense.
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Defense is defending what we actually believe. That's doctrine, right?
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That's theology. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, proof, I'm sorry.
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Proof, number one is proof. Proof is what we believe.
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Defense is defending the Christian worldview against objections.
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So people object, deny Christianity, that's where defense is.
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Offense is where we go on the offense and we attack non-biblical worldviews.
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We show that the Muslim worldview, the atheist, the humanistic,
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the relativistic, the Marxist worldviews are incoherent and unreasonable by
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God's standard that we discover in proof.
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And then persuasion is the last step or the last aspect outlet of apologetics.
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And that's where we show people that God isn't just an intellectual God,
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but he's also the seat of our emotions and our love and our interests and desire that God,
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there's a God-shaped hole in our heart, and only God can fill and meet that
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need emotionally and spiritually, intellectually.
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So, that's persuasion. Most people, most shallow Christians spend all their
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time on their persuasion, but they never spend time on the proof,
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defense, or offense side of Christianity, of Christian apologetics.
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Yeah, that's fascinating. And that's where you tie in the type of questions
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that you ask, right? The probing questions.
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We won't go into it now. I know we can probably go another hour.
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Oh, yeah, because each one of those, there's a sub—I have a mind map of it because
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proof has its own questions, the two what's for every—you know, two whys for every what.
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And then in defense, we use the what, those questions, those probing questions.
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Well, we also have in the third one, which is offense,
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is there's actually five systematic questions that you attack a worldview on
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based off of Romans chapter 1. We haven't ever covered that.
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And then same thing, persuasion then answers the fundamental questions that every worldview must.
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Why are we here? What's our purpose? And so forth and so on.
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So that's why each one of those four steps, it all bridges down into a larger scale.
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So anyway, there's a lot to cover in apologetics. Yeah, it sounds like it's
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probably going to have to be a companion series to the course that you're going
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to create or are creating for it.
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So allow us to dive deep.
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But anyways, dude, this was a, I think this was a great one to end on.
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We've completed 10 total now, 10 fallacies and just. Yeah, it's like,
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you know, learning the fallacies.
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It's like, honestly, it's like riding a bike. Yeah, well, maybe not.
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That easy. What are you saying? Are you saying that's a false analogy? You're a false analogy.
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We're just committing fallacies right here. No, it's a lot of fun.
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I mean, it's like an intellectual...
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It is an intellectual. You're exactly right. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. It's a logical.
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Maybe I'll stop right here because I can't think. I think the heat is just starting
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to melt our brain. Yes, it is once again warm.
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But anyways, if If anybody has any questions about what we covered,
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if you haven't covered all of the fallacies this entire series,
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start at the very beginning.
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What maybe we can do, Alan, is maybe put in the show notes some of these books,
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some of these videos, things like that.
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People can kind of point people to some other resources that will really help them.
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Yeah, we'll get everything in the description that you had mentioned.
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A lot of great resources to start out with.
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I mean, there's just a lot of good courses. So Jason Lyles is just fantastic
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with the material that he has, but we'll be sure to put it in the description
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so that way people have access to it.
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And if you have questions too, or if you have any comments or any recommendations
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about anything else, just let us know.
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And now we're going to move on to something new. We've got a couple of things
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that are on the stove here that we're cooking up.
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Yeah, so we just covered 10 fallacies. I think the next series might be like
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10 things that you never say to your wife,
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That'll be very deep We'll leave it at that Actually we'll have our wives On
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there and we'll talk to them What do you think about this statement?
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That'll bring in the That'll bring in the listens right there So anyways man
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It's been good I really had a lot of fun Yeah it was good I look forward to
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the next one and the next things that we're going to do So stay tuned.