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EP181 - Thirsty for Gore - Friday The 13th · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 1: Testing, testing. I was gonna do that too, but I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh no, maybe he should. Hello everyone, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Thirsty for Gore. Of course, I'm your host, Malenko,
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  Speaker 1: and I am Alan, I am God, I am Go
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  Speaker 1: Thirsty for Go, Thirsty for Good. Welcome, dude. We're embarking
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  Speaker 1: on our happy Halloyd, our annual tradition of doing Thirsty
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  Speaker 1: for Gore for the month of October. Now, this is
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  Speaker 1: for all you know, intensive purposes.
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  Speaker 2: For all intensive well, I was gonna say for for
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  Speaker 2: for transparency's sake, we need to say that we're recording
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  Speaker 2: this on the heels of summer in September.
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  Speaker 1: You mean Halloween, when everybody starts putting the decorations in summertime,
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  Speaker 1: and then soon after October it's it's already Christmas, already
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Winter started. Code when we parted.
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  Speaker 3: Way like this works.
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  Speaker 1: We have to. We have to, dude, we have to. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: we have to do this as the corporations do. That's true, dude,
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  Speaker 1: get ahead to get ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 2: So did you listen to the recording that K sent us.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't listen to anything. I was watching. I
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  Speaker 1: was doing work at home, and I was you were.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't med able to check it out, That's why. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to include it. What's up, Gang?
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  Speaker 3: So the Friday the Thirteenth franchise, it's my favorite horror
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  Speaker 3: franchise of all time. The first time I saw a
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  Speaker 3: Frire Thirteenth movie was when I was extremely Christian and
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  Speaker 3: I was not to see any sort of horror films.
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  Speaker 3: And I was at a sleepover at my friend house
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  Speaker 3: and he and his brothers had Frire Thirteenth Part four
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  Speaker 3: part time on VHS, and I watched it and I
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  Speaker 3: was so scared, and I thought it was so cool.
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  Speaker 3: There's a part in that movie involving a banana that
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  Speaker 3: is extremely visceral and that I always remembered fondly. I
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  Speaker 3: also thought it was cool that that George McFly was
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  Speaker 3: in it and he was just trying to get laid
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  Speaker 3: in that movie, which is like really really fun. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: as I got older, I had this affinity for the
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  Speaker 3: Frire Thirteenth movies, and I also had just had an
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  Speaker 3: affinity for the horror genre in general. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: got really into Nightmare elm Street, I got related to
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  Speaker 3: the Evil Dead movies. I got into Texas Chainsaw. I
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  Speaker 3: got into hell Raiser, I got into Chucky Haleyen Predator,
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  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. But my favorite slasher franchise
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  Speaker 3: has always been Fire Thirteenth.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's for a myriad of reasons.
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  Speaker 3: I think mostly because I just find Jason to be
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  Speaker 3: an incredibly interesting slasher. The thing about him is that
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  Speaker 3: Freddie is just pure evil. He's a child molester. He
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  Speaker 3: is a psychotic demon beast. Jason Voor is just a
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  Speaker 3: small boy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited that Taylor Swift gets to be small
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  Speaker 1: girl with Travis Kelsey because he is a large boy
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  Speaker 1: and she gets to be small girl.
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  Speaker 3: He's just a small little guy. He's a huge guy,
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  Speaker 3: but in his mind, he's just this small disabled boy
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  Speaker 3: who was unfairly treated by his peers and neglected by
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  Speaker 3: his caretakers, and who allegedly drowned and causes Mom to
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  Speaker 3: goel crazy. There's something about that set up that is
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  Speaker 3: really really interesting to me. The slasher as an avenging angel,
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  Speaker 3: the slasher as an anti hero.
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  Speaker 1: It must be exhausting all of these, and.
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  Speaker 3: There are elements of Jason that are kind of anti
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  Speaker 3: hero e a little bit. Of course, there's things about
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  Speaker 3: the five thirteenth franchise as well that just are like
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  Speaker 3: endlessly iconic. It's a franchise that is almost set up
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  Speaker 3: in different trilogies. The first three movies very much about
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  Speaker 3: the films finding their identity, of course, ending with Jason
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  Speaker 3: finding his hockey mask in part three really interesting. Then
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  Speaker 3: you have the Tommy Jarvis trilogy with four, five, and
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  Speaker 3: six and then seven eight nine, which is basically Paramount
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  Speaker 3: Pictures throwing anything out the wall that will stick. That
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  Speaker 3: part seven has Jason fighting a woman with telekinetic powers.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was pitched as Jason versus Carrie, which
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  Speaker 3: is like so stupid. My least favorite as well, but
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  Speaker 3: maybe one of the coolest. Jason thought a mask ones.
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  Speaker 3: Part eight is uh, Jason goes to Manhattan or Jason
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  Speaker 3: Takes Manhattan, which is filmed on a boat, which is
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  Speaker 3: hilarious because they're on a lake that somehow bleeds into
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  Speaker 3: the ocean. And then when they go to New York,
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  Speaker 3: it turns out to be Vancouver, which is amazing, so
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  Speaker 3: a shout out Vancouver, where I live. We got part nine,
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  Speaker 3: which is Jason Goes to Hell, which is basically just
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  Speaker 3: a hell raiser movie. And it's not very good. And
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  Speaker 3: then Jason goes to space and then Jason fights Freddy.
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  Speaker 3: So really really interesting franchise, a lot of actors, famous actors,
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  Speaker 3: and Danny Mulroun rolls a lot of incredible kills. Jason
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  Speaker 3: is also played by a myriad of different actors and performers.
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  Speaker 3: You'll find I definitely find that when you watch all
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  Speaker 3: of them together, you'll find that some of them are
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  Speaker 3: just playing him as a stuntman, and some of them
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  Speaker 3: are playing him with a real personality. In Menace, you
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  Speaker 3: see this for sure in Part two, three four. You
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  Speaker 3: see him in Part six as well, and they all
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  Speaker 3: have their own tone, you know. Part four is a
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  Speaker 3: very like serious but also really really fun slasher. It's
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  Speaker 3: the best one of the four. I think I'll be
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  Speaker 3: on that episode. Actually. Part six is a horror comedy
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  Speaker 3: and it's really really great. It's got some beautiful Jason
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  Speaker 3: stuff in it, and you've got like some who done
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  Speaker 3: it elements as well, especially with the original. I really
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  Speaker 3: really hope that you guys enjoy it. It's not as
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  Speaker 3: lore heavy as as Saw and as Nightmare and Elm Street,
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  Speaker 3: but there's enough lore to kind of keep it going,
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  Speaker 3: and I just hope that you guys will give this movie.
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  Speaker 3: These movies the great to be on their waveline and
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  Speaker 3: to have a lot of fun with them. They're very,
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  Speaker 3: very very fun, fun, capital f U and fun.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Paris is the greatest movies.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope that you'll come to love Jason Vorhies
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  Speaker 3: as much as I do.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: I think Case's introductions often serve as a good primer
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  Speaker 2: for for things like this for us, especially because I'm
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  Speaker 2: going into this pretty blind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and clearly in a mood where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is not a good Well I know,
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  Speaker 1: I like, I'm going to talk about it. I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like, I don't think it's a bad movie.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk about what I think about this movie. Am
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  Speaker 2: I in a mood. I'm in a mood.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you know what, Like, is it the fault
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  Speaker 1: of the movie? Only partially? No, But like, the the
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  Speaker 1: interesting thing about this is because I was going into
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  Speaker 1: this being like, ah, fucked. Like it's like I know
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  Speaker 1: all of them and I know this one very very well,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just it's weird, is it pan? No? Not really,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any of the Jasons are Pantheon except
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  Speaker 1: for except for like there's a couple, there's Jason for
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  Speaker 1: Jason takes Manhattan, Dude, is outrageous. Obviously, Jason x Jason
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  Speaker 1: X is Pantheon for me, a Canadian movie. Jason versus
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  Speaker 1: Jason is Pantheon. Pretty versus Jason is also pantheon. But
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  Speaker 1: it's also neither a Freddie movie, nor a Jason movie.
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  Speaker 1: No nor a movie nor an ash movie. Dude. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also like it's a classic but also so
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  Speaker 1: difficult to talk about, Like it's it's so much of
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  Speaker 1: this season I predict is gonna be Laura based what
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  Speaker 1: makes sense and what doesn't make sense, and what's cool
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense but makes sense in the world
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  Speaker 1: and also doesn't make sense in the world sometimes, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I know what you mean, And for that very reason,
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  Speaker 2: I think we should start setting up some of the lore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how do you want to do this, because like, are
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  Speaker 2: we going to talk about the forty five minutes of
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  Speaker 2: this movie where people are calling each other's names in
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  Speaker 2: the dark.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like so much of it is like like
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  Speaker 1: stuff that was classic at a time being subverted in
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  Speaker 1: an interesting way. And and it's unfortunate that this one
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  Speaker 1: gets kind of lumped in with the first three as
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  Speaker 1: just kind of a Jason movie. But it's really it's
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  Speaker 1: really a it's really a depressed alcoholic mother movie. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's cool too. That is that's when to me,
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  Speaker 2: that's when the movie gets really cool and interesting is
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  Speaker 2: when the mom shows up, which we'll talk about. And
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  Speaker 2: I think Kase is already mentioned in his in his.
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  Speaker 1: Of course breakdown, Yeah breaking it down, Yeah, totally. And
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  Speaker 1: and I gotta say, like, I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: her immediately because she's so good. She gets the first
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  Speaker 1: credit at the end. Of course, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course it makes complete sense that she does. I don't
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  Speaker 2: ever want to hear anyone talk about just to digress
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  Speaker 2: for a second, I don't ever want to hear anyone
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  Speaker 2: talk about character development in modern movies ever. Again when
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  Speaker 2: they consider a movie like this classic, class, yeah, please don't, because.
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  Speaker 1: Well, classic means I'll justify it in one way. Classic
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  Speaker 1: for this movie means one, it means pantheon for people,
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  Speaker 1: and it means and it means like in terms of
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  Speaker 1: it's the first, it's the first first there was the
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  Speaker 1: word speaking of thirst, but there was you're I will
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  Speaker 1: say you you are right because this movie isn't about
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  Speaker 1: like the kids being main character, like none of them
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  Speaker 1: are main characters. Come they're completely flat. It does have
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  Speaker 1: a sort of feeling of like who what is see?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so much of it
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  Speaker 1: is just because it's from the era, right, And like also,
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  Speaker 1: I will say that this movie features a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff that isn't as dumb as like two I would
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  Speaker 1: say two thousands horror movies where people make outrageous decisions
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  Speaker 1: that are just like why would you do that? Whereas
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  Speaker 1: like there is a setup in this movie, where should
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  Speaker 1: we spoil it? I mean, it's a forty year old movie.
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  Speaker 1: Should we just go for it? Okay? Right? I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know we were going, Like I didn't know if we were going,
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  Speaker 1: like in like if we're going see by scene or
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  Speaker 1: or do you want how do you want to do it?
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  Speaker 1: I think we should.
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  Speaker 2: I think we should talk about maybe not seen by scene,
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  Speaker 2: but but the scenes introduce we should out the lord.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So nineteen fifty eight we get the first
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  Speaker 1: for the word first sort of hints of deaths happening
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  Speaker 1: post some sort of tragedy happening in Crystal Lake, and
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  Speaker 1: two sexy teens who are the camp counselors are gonna
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  Speaker 1: run off and have a good time in the barn
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  Speaker 1: and get stabbed. Obviously they're like singing like tunes and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and like Michael Row the boat has shown Halle Hall
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  Speaker 1: and then we get like our first kills and the
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  Speaker 1: freeze frame at the beginning where that that lady gets
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  Speaker 1: like the one dude gets killed right after getting a boner,
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  Speaker 1: and that lady gets killed and she's freeze frames and
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  Speaker 1: is like not only close up bleeds out. Some of
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  Speaker 1: the film makes stuff. It's fun, yeah, and and.
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  Speaker 2: Both choices like I will say, I will say the
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  Speaker 2: po V stuff must have been pretty fresh at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like I mean, there's feels a little like
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  Speaker 1: Blair Witch. Yeah, there's a couple of movies that had
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  Speaker 1: done it before. One is from the sixties, which is
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  Speaker 1: Peeping Tom, which that the guy who made that was
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  Speaker 1: heavily inspired by Hitchcock, and Hitchcock did it in Psycho
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  Speaker 1: and Psycho also did the the like did the the
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  Speaker 1: like my mom is talking to me as a dead
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  Speaker 1: person and I'm inhabiting that person. Yeah, there's this is
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  Speaker 1: this is the mom Doings, which is just really cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's really interesting totally and that. But but so much
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  Speaker 1: of it relies on the context of this movie coming
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  Speaker 1: out and that twist, and it's interesting because of that.
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  Speaker 1: But the movie itself is lacks so much substance that
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  Speaker 1: you're it's I know why it would partially ruin your day.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't. It didn't ruin my day partially partially.
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  Speaker 2: It was only responsible in well because I was like,
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: you know, Thursday for Gore is a special time of
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  Speaker 2: year for me, of.
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  Speaker 1: Course, and because we built the Nightmare series, which is
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  Speaker 1: all great so far.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, well that's the thing is like, if not
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  Speaker 2: all great, it's all pantheon and like there's nothing in
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  Speaker 2: that series. Like kas was saying to me, how Like
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  Speaker 2: I was like he was ranking the the arbitrarily ranking
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  Speaker 2: the Jason's and I was like, oh, it sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of yoyo ing in there, dude, And he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: Nightmare is also a lot of yoyo ing. And I'm like, okay, yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I can't think of a single Nightmare movie where I
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  Speaker 2: was as bored as I was in this movie Reward,
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  Speaker 2: which is for the like that, like that forty minutes
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  Speaker 2: of like searching for people, like it was a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of boring parts. I mean, yeah, totally. And you'll
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  Speaker 1: look at these movies now and they're boring. Nobody wants
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  Speaker 1: to watch them anymore. Nobody's watching them. Nobody, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: nobody is watching them. TikTok. They're watching TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: The stars are all on tickto bar and told me
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this Also, this movie has a couple of
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  Speaker 1: interesting things too, is uh the townsfolk, the classic townsfolk
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  Speaker 1: where everybody looks, you're dude, you're dumed, you're all dubed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was what that is. Of course I couldn't wait
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  Speaker 1: to talk about You're all doomed. Yeah. But also there
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting aspect, the social aspect of the movie
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  Speaker 1: is is also interesting because of the fact that there
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  Speaker 1: is a person who's taking revenge on people who are
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  Speaker 1: having sex. Rather than like it's the movie, it's alf
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  Speaker 1: judging it or an entity like inhabiting that role. It's
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  Speaker 1: very much like I am personally scolded by a type
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  Speaker 1: and I'm taking it out on that type totally, which
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  Speaker 1: I find really fascinating. And also the townsfolk stuff of
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  Speaker 1: like Ralph Crazy, Ralph, you're dumed? Are all the girls
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  Speaker 1: as pretty as you are? All the girls gonna be
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  Speaker 1: as good looking as you? Yeah, sir, I'm fifteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: And also all of them want to fuck, but all
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  Speaker 1: of them don't want to fuck in the same way
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  Speaker 1: that that more more modern movies. But now modern movies
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  Speaker 1: are going back to this style or type yeah, where
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's like normal wanting to fuck, as mostly
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  Speaker 1: in the two thousands where I was like, ha, we're
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  Speaker 1: twenty playing fifteen, and it's like producers being like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you are twenty playing fifteen, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, the hormones in this dou seem realistic, relatively
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  Speaker 2: realistic the for time and for the acting style.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, like Kevin Bacon and whatever her name is,
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  Speaker 1: like going to fuck is like that seems fairly normal.
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  Speaker 1: That seems like a normal as opposed to like Climb
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  Speaker 1: Paris Hilton, I'm twenty eight years old playing a seventeen
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  Speaker 1: year old, do you know what I mean? It just
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting how the people who grew up on these
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  Speaker 1: types of movies when they aged into getting to be
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  Speaker 1: able to make these types of even fucking I would
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  Speaker 1: say even even eli Roth has had this problem where
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  Speaker 1: it's like the kind of outrageousness that he was like
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  Speaker 1: referencing among many problems, among many problems of course, but
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  Speaker 1: like the sort of feeling of realism in the even
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  Speaker 1: that type of even cabin Fever for example, is like
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  Speaker 1: way more outrageous in a way that's like whoa, this
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  Speaker 1: is like this is outrageous because it's referencing something as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to being qute unquote realistic and wanting to be scary,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And also what I've noticed about this movie
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  Speaker 1: in particular is the people's the atmosphere is the that
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  Speaker 1: the film wants to scare you rather than scare the
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  Speaker 1: people that's in the movie. So like nobody is ever
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  Speaker 1: really that scared throughout the movie until you know they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna die and the scene plays out in a way
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  Speaker 1: that the audience gets the scare. Did you notice that? Yeah, Abs,
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  Speaker 1: I would agree. I think that there was moments where
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  Speaker 1: I was just like it was scary in a way.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was the the POV stuff and like the
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  Speaker 2: sneaking around, like the voyeurism was cool and well done,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, and like well shot. Yeah, it is
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  Speaker 2: well for a movie that's mostly in the dark too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's also like it's got this vibe of
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  Speaker 1: like pervert. It's like perverse, but in a way that
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  Speaker 1: like she seems like she's getting off on it. She
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  Speaker 1: she's weirdly getting off on it. The mom she's weirdly
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  Speaker 1: getting off on it. Because there I wonder how that
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  Speaker 1: part of it changes as the lore goes on. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, dude, because the lord shifts so
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  Speaker 1: quickly from from Mom to Jason. Yeah, because the next
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  Speaker 1: one is Jason, I know, but you'll see, dude, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know Jason. I mean, Jason's a little bit in
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  Speaker 1: this one too, dude, Oh dude, Yeah, of course. And
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  Speaker 1: also I liked I liked a lot of the setup
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  Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, they're trying to open up
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  Speaker 1: the camp again. We get this this one girl, Annie
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  Speaker 1: who's like coming into to help clean up because she's
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: like wanting to like go for for the summer and
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  Speaker 1: be somewhere else not at home and like work this job.
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  Speaker 1: And I like the idea that this guy is this
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  Speaker 1: like this guy looks like he's out of now. The
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  Speaker 1: mustache guy Jim or whatever. Dude, yeah, the guy the shorts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, did you we didn't even talk about what's her? Like,
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  Speaker 2: we should talk about when what's her face comes to
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  Speaker 2: town and like the guy touches her, asked Annie. Jesus, wait,
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  Speaker 2: I thought you said the other one's Annie.
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  Speaker 1: I did the names Bill Alice? Annie? I know Alice.
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  Speaker 1: Alice is hi. Alice Alice is the one that survives.
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  Speaker 1: She's the main Yeah, she's the final the final girl. Yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Final girl is how I mean?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Jason Puffy Jason from the Water is the main character
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: of course, dude. Yeah, young little boy Jason who I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: guess becomes an adult. Thomas Avini. Yeah, he's the main character.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Is the main character. Yeah, totally, totally. All the all
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the the vfxts looked looked pretty good, beautiful, Yeah, really nice.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Steve is the the douche.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So like, okay, there's there's something that's kind of leery
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: about him though, oh totally. He's like he's like pretty,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: he's pretty, like I don't know, kind of like she's young,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: like there's an age difference between them obviously, but like
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I guess they're like implied to be dating or something.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I thought the implication was that they were dating and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that they broke up and that he wants to like
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: still date.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But she's like, yeah, she's got I got to go home. Yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: she like came down to help him out with this thing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So like you could tell that this guy is.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: A fucking loser. Yeah, he's he's from the Christie family, right, yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and are they like is that why it's Crystal Lake?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It might be, dude, that's what That's what I was
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: assuming you would say to me, and then I would
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: be like, of course.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, of course they were just free associating, dude.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: But it's so he's from the Christie family. And we
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: get some backlore that like his parents went crazy, Oh
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: they went crazy trying to he put twenty five thousand
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: dollars into fixing that place, and like little tidbits of
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: information like that where like it's like, what do you
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: want to go there for?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Don't go there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's a bunch of crazy people, they all die, there's
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a fire, a bunch of weird shit happened. Yeah, And
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: like so right away we're getting a your doomed lore
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and he seems like, you know, he's very he's very
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Eric Trump. He's trying to make it, make it for
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: his parents.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: They did it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Don't fix a broken thing, it's yeah, no, wait, no,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: don't fix something if it isn't broken. I don't know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those yeah, for sure. And
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: wants to invest into the family business.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah totally, and like rebuild this this thing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: But he's like kind of, you know, like these kids,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: he found a bunch of kids, and he's.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Like kind of like, come on to work. Worry. Yeah, totally, Jesus,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like kids are like fifteen. But at the same time,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I did feel like most of them were fairly realistically handled,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't it was a little like come on,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: do it. But also it was no, no, it was real.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It was absolutely realistic of exploitation.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, where it's like a little bit less menacing
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: than that. It's a little more it's more coercive that
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it is medicine. This will be the funnest summer ever, guys,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. And then what's her name gets
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: into the car was something that Annie, any are you okay?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: She's not okay, and she's definitely not okay, but yes,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: are you talking about the first girl? Yeah, Marcie Marcy
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: is her name. I think the first girl is named Marcy. No,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the first girl is Annie Annie. Yeah, okay, it doesn't matter.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. That's annoying is like I don't want
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to remember their names, that's the thing. And like she
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: gets picked up by someone in a car, a mysterious,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: mysterious person with very most of the time deep Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And she gets picked up and she the person starts
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: driving very fast. Uh. And Annie jumps out the moving car.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Uh and then gets stabbed in the neck, sliced the neck. Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I thought that was cool. It looked really good man
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: like the like like fucking like yellow underneath that you
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: can see the skin, but then like it starts bleeding.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: It's cool. It also like weirdly looks realistic. It does
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: look like a lot of it looks like because it's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: all practical. None of it's digital, so it just all
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: looks kind of goofy and like you know, spray e. Well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: some of this stuff is with the rain. That's pretty.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: That's that's effects. The rot open what do you do?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: What was that technique called? Oh? I think they like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: etched it like the film. Yeah, I noticed that too,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: where it's like a little bit like what is happening?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Why is this brain look like? Though?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But you know, with the sound effects of the rain falling,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it looks like rain. It looks weird, but it looks
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like rain. Looks like rain, looks like rain. Do you
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: remember when Howard.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Private parts looks like rain where he has to like
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: take the swallow.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Anchor job he swallows in the middle of a sentence.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: He did such a good.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Job in that movie of like being a bad host
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: totally not like us. We're a bad hosts every week.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Speak for yourself today, speak you I'm awesome. I mean, like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that's that's why Lore needs to take take most of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of this season because like.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Camp Crystal Lake called Crystal Lake. The thing is like
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: your name is Christal.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Hold On, hold on, let me explain why it's such
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a difficult movie to talk about. The kills are just killed.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Just watch the movie, you know what I mean. Like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: there's not that much to talk about, right the the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: like they're the boring parts obviously are the boring parts.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Are the boring parts, and there's many of them. Kevin
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Bacon is in it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, this movie's is Johnny Depp. It's this franchise
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: is Johnny Depp.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Explain what that means?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: What do you mean it means that Johnny Depp was
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: in the first Friday or Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Well, the difference, the major difference too, is the fact that,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like Friday the thirteenth, it's not Dreams, right, So there
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you're limited really by the visuals, right. So it's like
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: my curiosity because I've never watched them in like tandem.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I've all, I've seen them all, but never in like, oh,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch them, right. I think that'll be what's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: most interesting about this too. That's why the lore part
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is the best part. And like the fact, yeah, totally
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: because like toilet paper, toilet paper, because because then the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: nice thing about the twist in this, uh and and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the night is like, oh yeah, like you're on a twist.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: The nice thing about the twist in this is that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it has like you don't know what you're expecting and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: then the payoff happens. Right. But like, for the most part,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: because most of these people are kind of boring, you're
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: not really rooting for them to die. That's what's interesting
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: about the new modern version of a horror movie, where
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, these people rooting for them to die
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: or survive. You're not rooting for either because they're they're
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: so boring. I was thin, you don't care. I was.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I wasn't invested in any of the characters, and I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: wasn't invested well sorry, no, I was invested in the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: mom as a character. I wasn't invested. They didn't even
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: really like like relationally, you know, like I think that
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: their character lives in the relationship, and I feel like, yeah,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: they're kids on a like trying to be camp counselors. Yeah,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: so it's realistic in that way, right, Like they wouldn't
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: be more interesting than this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they wouldn't be. And that's fine. But also there's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: no connection to the past. There's no connection to the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: characters of Crystal Lake, Like there's nothing to root anything
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in the act. Yeah, us to kind of root for, right. Besides,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be this kid who dies, right,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm not a teen anymore, so like I don't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: really care, right, I mean, but you're that's leazy older,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, come work for me, I pay competitive rates.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we get like, you know, we get some
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: scenes of them like helping each other. One guy almost drowns,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they pull him out and then but then he ended
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: up just being a sleez and he's like kissing a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: girl and then hugging her. And then it's like, oh,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we weren't actually I wasn't actually drowning. I just wanted
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to fucking cop a feel. Wait is that what happens? Yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: oh outrageous.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Wait that's why he pretends to drown and everyone goes
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to save him.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: That is I don't think I caught that. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And some of the things though that happened when he
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: shoots the arrow and like it like hits the target
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: right beside her head.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was outrageous. That was like, whoa dude,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: super dangerous, not cool. And also this was depressing the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: killing snake. They just killed a snake, They just actual
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and I was like a little bit it was a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: little bit depressing. Yeah, it's a little bit depressing. I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: find it off putting, although like I've I've done stuff
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like that in real life where it's like, oh there's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a mouse somebody it's stuck to glue and somebody has
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to kill it, so I had to kill it. But
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like that was more like, but that wasn't to film
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a fucking scene in a movie. Yeah, it was a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: little bit depressing, a little bit weird. It could have
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: just like fucking cut away quickly, quickly from a jellow
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: mouse or something, you know what I mean. Yeah, totally.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But they also needed.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Rubber snakes look real if you're like shaking them a lot.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's fine. It was fine. It was fine. It
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: was fine. I'm not really happy about it. I'm not
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: happy about it. They chopped a snake for no reason. Yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, oh when when Officer Dolf comes
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: there and he's like, hey, is have you seen a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: weird guy named Ralph? And then Ralph is just in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the closet. You're dude, dude. I loved so much. That
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: was great. I loved so much. I was laughing because
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of Drake Parker from Cabal to Musical. You're dude, You're
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: old dude. Yeah, it's like part of it is like
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: looking for old movies like this in part are just
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: designed to be like how can we get to the
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: kills in the most coherent way possible.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I appreciate the how the movie
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: did that. Also, we didn't say, though, dude, that it
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: was Friday, June the thirteenth.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: June nineteen eighty. Jason and I canonically have the same birthday.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's absolutely true. And it takes like it's
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: weird because the scene where Jason dies takes place before
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the movie starts. So the movie starts with a kill
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that the mom does which gets the camp shut down,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: which is interesting, laurifying. But again, like I kind of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: wish I kind of wish the remake. We'll get into
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the remake of Friday the thirteenth, of course we'll have
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to talk. I kind of wish the remake of Friday
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the thirteenth did like a like a total Like if
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we're going to do a POV, like do a mom
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: POV where it's like in her head and you hear
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: her talking, you know what I mean.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: That would have been super interesting. I feel like a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth directed by Steven Soderberg would have been
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: No, Steven Soburg has I feel like he has a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: hard time with uh, it is a hard time with horror,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: but he has a hard time with super I think
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he would have a hard time with Supernatural. But it
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: does like this one is not at all supernatural. No,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: for a series that's very steeped in its supernatural, Laura,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: We'll find out as we go along. He's nothing is
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: supernatural about this, I guess, other than like Bubbleface still
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: alive Jason, which is like is it real?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: We don't know, right, it's kind of like left to
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: be ye ambiguous.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Then he's out there. He's out there. But yeah, when
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Ralph gets caught and as though he was jerking off,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: he runs away in a way that he was like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I was, I wasn't doing anything. You're doomed. You're all doomed.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's in a closet. Yeah, he's in a closet.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does run away as if you've been caught
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: doing something. What happens after that? They like search for people,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like they're.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Like Billy, Billy, Hey, Billy. Yeah, it's a lot of
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of like, let's go off, Kevin Bacon
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and let's go make out because you're the hottest one
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: in this movie. Yeah, they have sex, Yeah, and then
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and then a lot of them have sex yeah, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: missus warheas gets mad at the sex that they were
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: having sex. They were having sex. They were supposed to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: be watching him. They were supposed to be watching him.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: That's kind of cool, though, Like I'll go back to
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I think the most interesting point you brought up is
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that this movie is I think the most interesting point
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you brought up is that this movie has like it
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't judge the kids. Actually, the movie and like the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: like secret hand of the movie doesn't judge the horny teens. Yeah,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it allows for all of that judgment to come from
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the mom, who only has that judgment we see really
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: because of the trauma that happened to her. So she's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like she's made it a weird thing, She's made it
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: a weird obsession.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I find that really cool. I also
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: find it really interesting that like making an old person
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the villain, like literally like making it that literal that
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: like the the movie and these types of movies, part
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of the appeal of them is the fact that you're
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: not supposed to see them as a teen, like you're
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: supposed to be eighteen, you're supposed to be an adult.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: And and the fact that like really these types of movies.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Every horror movie is made for kids. They're all made
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: for kids.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, because the reality of it, because there is
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: something like kids are scared of of mystical things and like.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And they're scared of shit like movies. Adults aren't scared
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of movies. You're scared of real life. Yeah, exactly, Like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: these are products for kids.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Scary movies for us are are way more existential and psychological.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Or like if they're if we connect to them more
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: like babaduk, like, oh, I had a troubled mom.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Too, but that's there's still a psychological and existential element
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: to that and a trauma like, yeah, I.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Had a mom that didn't want us to This is.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: A this is a slasher movie, you know, like it's
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: it's and and you're right, it's it's supposed to be
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: scary for kids, like that cover is so iconic.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And also.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: It's a camp for kids, and they're kids, they're the counselors,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: so they're slightly older kids.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. And part of the horniness too is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: being around that time, like going through puberty and like
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: wanting to see a boob so badly, like that that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: era of like boobies and movies. Boobies and movies. Yeah, totally,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, it's righted R.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: But I mean your kids are gonna watch it. They're
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: gonna rent it and watch it at home on VI.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is honestly in this era that is
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the time that this happened, which is like this the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: video nasty era where it's like you you can be
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: more grotesque because it's like, yeah, I mean, yeah, my
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: movie got an X rating in theaters, but it's gonna
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: be fucking out on videotape and everybody's gonna watch it
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: because everybody's gonna be like, yeah, in what order did
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you watch these in? You didn't watch this one first? No? No,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I think I saw I think honestly, I think I
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: saw like Jason Goes to Hell first, which I think
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the fifth one of the sixth one. Uh, I think
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the fifth is the best one out. And then I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: think I saw like Jason Takes Manhattan Jason eight mm hm,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that's the really zany one, right, Yeah, yeah, dude, it's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: fucking insane. I'm excited. I'm excited. Like that one's a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: little boring too, but it is fucking insane. To have
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: because there's like it's like about a guy who like
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: eats the heart of Jason and becomes him. Mm hmm.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It's like it's really weird and mister.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like the Lord stuff. If I'm mixed,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm most exciting. I need some new lore,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, totally and need some thirsty for we are.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I'm thirsty for Laura.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: We are thirsty for Law and the thing that that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: will happen. Okay, let's let's bring it back to the comparisons,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the comparables of what we thought, Like we did Jason,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: we did Freddy and that first one is a fucking
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: banger of a movie. Yeah, Like it's just like a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: really good movie. I saw. Yeah, we did the Saw series.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: This is a Saw series. I think that's a banger.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's a really good especially given the like
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: low budget.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I mean there is there is there a Saw that's
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: that's bad. Like they're all like kind of good.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: They are all kind of good. But like this is
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: like a mediocre movie. Yeah, this is like a mediocre
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: This is like a soft six, you know what I mean.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: There's some like really fun stuff and rating it already
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: no but like I'm just I'm just saying, like we.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Didn't even get to the best part, which is the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: very realistic fight between an.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Old lady and a teenager.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, my favorite part of this movie is
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: watching them fight in the way that an old woman
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and and a young young woman would fight each other.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And also it's kind of clumsy. It's kind of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: like I uncoordinated, Yeah, and it's like very shuffling. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: also she does seem like a very strong woman. Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Well she's got that crazy strength of like if I've
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: been through something traumatic and I'm doing this for my son.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But also like it's like, whoa dude, you fucking
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: lifted this man, this like one hundred and something pound
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: man and like strung him up, you know what I mean.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: She's got that, like she's got the like strength, the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: like crazy persons strength, or like the person who is
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: in the throes of like a fit.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: And also.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: That that could be glorified too, in the way that
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: like maybe she has been using Jason's body, maybe she
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: has been like controlling him. Maybe they're spirit because when
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: you get to it, the implication seems like the spirits
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: have combined in some way that they're like in intangible
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: from each other because like distinguishable. Yeah, yeah, like they're
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: connected in some way. That's the cool part of the
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: lore stuff is like like the mom is an ever
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: present thing, but also like he wasn't present in the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: first movie despite very clearly seeing man hands throughout the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: movie as the killer, because like you do, it's it's
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: total misdirection where it's like the first hand you see
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: cut the throat of that young woman, that's a man's hand.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It's an adult man's hand, right, And then at the end,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really funny. When should we get to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the head cut off? Uh, we can, well, let's we
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: can go through it, but like like anyway, all I'll
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: get to the manhand stuff. She had man hands. Kevin
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Bacon getting stabbed in the throat. That was really cool.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: That was pretty like the way it comes out of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: his neck and stuff is it was was really well done. Yeah,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it looked like I was like trying to see I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: think it was like I was trying to like see
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: how they did it. I couldn't figure it out. So
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that's always a good thing.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, yeah, like, okay, Kevin Bacon, not much
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: more to say.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: He dies, he smokes some dope, and yeah, I like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that they were smoking some weed in the movie. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: felt seen, felt visible.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it's like, yeah, this is who's watching
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: this movie.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally dope smoking teens. Kevin Bacon just got killed.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And now people are are in their underwear running around
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: in rain, looking into the mirror and then like being
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: like hello, and somebody gently being in the shower with
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: their hand and then moving away. But now it's all
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: just kind of death after death after death. Lady gets
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: here an axe to the head. They're playing strip monopoly,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: which is an interesting concept and interesting concept, but also
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like what strip monopoly? So instead like you pay up
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: by whoever an article? Yeah, an article of clothing, which
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: is kind of fun. Yeah. Like I mean, if I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: think about this movie in relation to something we've recently watched,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: which was Alien Romulus, and like thinking back to the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: structure of the first Alien movie as like Horror in Space,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: and it's like a year before this movie, a year
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: before this movie, yeah, but like with a way bigger budget.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And like wait, yeah this movie had no budget.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this movie had no budget, and yeah, it's it's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: like it's people doing the like fun of this movie
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: is the people making it are like doing a thing together, right,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: but it lacks I can't believe this movie got so
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: many sequels. Like, it's kind of crazy to me that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: this movie got so much glorification after this, because the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: most interesting thing about it is is the mom and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: then it's just totally taken out of that context.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's rare to see a part one that's
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: this this rambo.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's not Rainbow, though Rainbow is amazing. Yeah, I know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: first Blood, but like it's so different than the rest, right.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's not what I mean, though. I mean
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: it's rare to see a part one, like such a
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: mediocre part one inspire so many sequels because like there's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: no like usually you talk about these movies and it's like, yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: part one sets the standard by which the rest are measured,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and then like you kind of like you know, like
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the rest kind of matter less. You always measure it
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: by the standard of the first and it's never measures up.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But in this one, in this one, I hope we're
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: not measuring it by the standard.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I know we're not.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I know that there's a reason that the Jason's are popular,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: and I've seen some of them. They're like there's like
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: bits and pieces in my mind of the movies, but
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: like it was never, it was never. I don't understand
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: how this could be the series for someone.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I get that based on this first movie,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, But it's it also feels like
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you're so mad at the movie. No, no, no, I'm
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: in a bad mood. But I'm not in the bad
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: mood because I'm not. I'm not. I'm not mad. I'm
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know, like thirsty for Gore is a special time
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of year, right, And that's all.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I mean what, that's all I'm saying. Dude,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: that's all I'm fucking saying. You know, I could be
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: talking about the Chucky movies right now. I could be
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: talking about I could be talking about Halloween. Halloween even
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like those. I mean, that's a fucking standard setting movie,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: like the first one. Especially, I don't know, like about
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: pov Too that has Poe shit too and made a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: year before this.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Well, so you know, there's this first movie and there's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: interesting stuff about it, but it's mostly a pretty big fail.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I would say. Yeah. I mean when when Steve gets
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: is finally coming back to the campgrounds after everyone is
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: starting to die and he's at the cafe and the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: old lady or not even the old lady just like yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: her being like, well, I want to fuck you son,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and him being like, oh no, everyone does everyone, Yeah totally,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and then like the like him his lady, yeah, his
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: car breaking down, and then the cop picking him up,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and like so much of it is like, you're right,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: so much of it is like a little bit fucking boring,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like where it's just like, Okay, we're getting to the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: next scene and then there's a kill, but like the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: kills pay off in a way where it's like, yeah,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: do it do you know what I mean?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, you know. I Like, I'm just gonna
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: say something I wish.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of horror heads out there who would
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: probably have a lot to say about some of the themes,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: some of the way that the things were shot, a
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: lot of a lot of the They would probably have
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of lore stuff to say of like oh
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: this this paint can that appears in scene three h
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: two happens in and so, like you know, I don't
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: see movie. I don't evaluate movies that way. Everyone that
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: listens to the show knows that you tend to be
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: the one who evaluates things on a more technical level.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I'm usually the one who evaluates things on like based
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: on theme and moods and things like that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And something that I will say about both of us
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that I think most people don't do is evaluating based
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: on the individual movie itself, like not the well, at
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: least me, I want to do that. I want to
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: do it based on each individual movie because that gives
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: me the opportunity to like take it as itself. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: love Lore too. I think we talked about Romulus having
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of like fit in the Lore in ways
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: we liked in some ways we don't. I feel some
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: pressure to honor this series. I don't think you should
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: because I do.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I do so I feel it as a responsibility because
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, like if I'm going to be
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: putting my name on something, if I'm going to be like, Okay,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I watched this, I evaluated it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: We're doing. We do a show. We do what we do,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and it's thirsty for Gore and.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: So I want to give it the most favorable chance. Totally,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: And that's why I was so hesitant going into this
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: series because I am hesitant. I will have to admit
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: that I am hesitant going into the series, but I'm
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: also I you know that my mind is open. I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: fucking started loving I love stallone, and I didn't love
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Stallone before, so I am an open You didn't. I
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: didn't love Saw before. I love Saw, so like, I'm
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: willing to go on this journey, but this series is
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: going to have to do.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Better if if like totally totally and I agree with you,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. And and also I will say
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I don't like horror movie people. I don't think we
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: have a responsibility to them. I think they have a
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: responsibility to grow. You're saying you don't like horror movie people, yes,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: because I think they have a responsibility as people who
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: like movies supposedly like movies, you have to grow. But
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think they like I don't think they like movies,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and that's the thing, and that's fine. But don't pretend
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you like they Pretend they don't like movies, and that's
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: that and that's fine, that's OK.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And I think that is okay. I think that is okay.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: It's okay. I think it's pretending to like because because
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: people will say like, oh, do you like movies, it's like, yeah,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I do. I love movies, and then they'll list the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: movies they like, and it's like it's all horror, and
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, I have my genres too, but
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I'm ever gonna be like, you know, like this genre
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: sci fi, you know, because there's the sci fi people too.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I heard some people. I heard some people talking the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: other day, some horror people talking about what's that streaming
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: service shutter. Yeah, I heard them talking about it and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, there's this movie even like from in
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four and it's the the the effects. Like
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: it was just like, do you like do you just
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: like schlock comedy?
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Is that what you like when you say horror? Yeah, exactly.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: And it bugs me because of the fact I resent it,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: because of the fact that it feels like they're watching
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a thing to make fun of it rather than to
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: engage with it. And that's fine too, Like I watch
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the Room, I make fun of the room whatever, but
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I'll take the room seriously. I'll justify that movie why
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: it's good or bad.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I think in order to be able to laugh at
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: something in that way, you have to have a love
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: and appreciation for it first.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, rather than like a mean spiritedness towards it, Yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: which is like wrong. Maybe they do.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what they like. Is that the schlock and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the and the comedy.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, for sure, because it's like it's also fun
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: to to enjoy things like this with other people.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Of course, and not saying that this one, this one's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: not funny. It's not like, yeah, that guy's funny, but but.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's meant to be like yeah, like.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And you know what, Like, I don't want to disparage.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to disparage horror people. I don't want
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: to disparage like any.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Of it like you. No, I'm kidding, but we we did,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: we already have.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. I don't mean it in that way.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I don't mean I just like, there's a kind of
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about how I I'm comparing contrasting myself from
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: that and how I engage and I Slasher movies have
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: never been my genre.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Ever, what's like your favorite? I would say maybe the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: pleasure faces. Yeah, nice, because there's some interesting stuff in that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: There's some wild shit in those movies.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I you know, like I I don't. I don't think that,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: you know, like and there's a little bit of humor,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: but not like you know, it's it's like a humor
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: like very dark. It's like kind of also like an
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: absurdity of a violence thing where it's like we're like,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: this movie doesn't do anything enough.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you're right because so much of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the iconography surpasses so much of the filmmaking, storytelling, even
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the symbols, like it's so.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I've heard that the first three. I've heard from people
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that the first three aren't that good.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're not that good. They don't get
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: interesting until Christmin Glover comes in the fourth one, dude,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm most excited about. Yeah, Chrismin Glover.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I think what's his name is in it too, ascend
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Shone MILLENNI I'm pretty sure Corey Feldman is in it too.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I gotta I'll be fact checked. I'm sure, but yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing, like so much of this
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: lore is getting carried by by on the heavy shoulders
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and kholders exactly, except I don't think it's it's not.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, what like that is why
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I think the focus should be on on like what
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna like build up to other things, you know what,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I yeah, for sure, and like, of course that's what
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about, and of course I'm gonna give them
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a chance. Of course I've said that I love bad
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: movies on this podcast that are that people think are horrible,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: but I also need to be able to evaluate it
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: on some merit. I always give a reason why I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: think something is good, you know what, I mean, Yeah,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's just there's a lot of boring parts.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want to and I like, also, I don't
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: want the tone of this episode to be that we're
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like this tone. I mean, I guess it's good, you know.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, but we had we had our raw deals.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: This can be a raw deal. It's a raw deal,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and it's hard because of the fact that, like you
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: have a difficult time talking about movies you don't.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like I feel like when we the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: second chance towards he's due, but we broke that that
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: that dichotomy because.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Deal was a red heat. It was rod deal is
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: still a good standard to like you because you.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Get a rocause that's true, that's true, and a red
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: heat is it Yeah, that's true.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: It's still but yeah, it's it's and it's hard for
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: you to talk about movies you don't like.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I was your voice saying that to me was ringing
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: in my head today about that. And that's also part
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: of like I'm just like anticipating because I don't want
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to have a bad episode.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. And it all leads from one
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to the other to the next. It like you spiral
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit when it comes to like getting into
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: your own head about like what I'm gonna say, and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: like how like, oh no, I don't like the movie,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and also I don't know how to talk about like
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Alex is gonna point out that I don't know how
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to talk about it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I also rather do a bitter, angry episode than a
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: you know, when you're trying to to talk about something
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you didn't like that much, it just ends up being boring.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Boring, Yeah, because you're trying to like like like step
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: on yourself before you or catch yourself before you say
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: something that might be Like, that's why I say, like,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: who gives a fuck about horror movie? Who gives a
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: fuck about anything? It's our fucking show. Like, you can
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: fucking hate the movie, hate the movie. You fucking hate
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: this movie, just not to a good start. Yeah, that's
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the more interesting thing. That's the interesting conversation to me. Yeah,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I agree, well and like, but like it's tell me
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: why it's fucking boring. It's interesting.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: It's interesting too because, like, you know, I know already
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: so much of the lore. Yeah, I know a lot
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: of the magic of how he gets back alive.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I know. I know that there is magic. I know
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: that there's a voodoo. Dude. I know that there's a mom.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And you know the first one, okay, we learned about
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Camp Crystal Lake. Dude. So much of it is like,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: all right, Camp Crystal Lake, weird, deformed Jason and the Mom,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, that's all I need. That's
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: why the two nine version, dude, it's basically just the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: first three moviesushed at the one and it's Jason running.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: So Jason running, what do you mean? Well, you'll see
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: dude hit his Tom Cruise running, Dude, You'll you'll be
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: so happy when we get to Tom Cruise running. Dude,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: after these oh man, what do you mean? What are
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: they going to be? The boring episodes of these ones?
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Is gonna be so disappointed, dude, this is your checking
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the time. Its a long episode. Give me if he
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: gets what he can cut but still make a good episode. No,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good episode, you know. You know
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: what though, what's interesting about this movie too is that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: when Alice finally becomes the main character at fucking hour
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: into the movie, that's they're huge problems with the movie.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: There's no character to link to at all until Alice
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: becomes the main character. And it makes sense that we
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: get her because we get her backstory of like I
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: might go back next week. She has a thing of
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: like she almost could have left, she got and now
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: she's fucking getting people murdered here, right, Yeah, so that's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: like a through line, but there's no character development. Does
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: she come back? No? Oh no she doesn't. I don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: think so. I don't think she does.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they don't do any lore with the survivors.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, to be honest, That's the thing about
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the boring law of this movie too, is that like,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, we should do we should do a test.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: This should be a test. This should be us doing
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: movies that were like we don't really care about them,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: but we can make it entertaining for the audience.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, I mean, if you like this one,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: you like this.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: You're fucking wrong, dude, You're fucking bad at movies if
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you like this movie. But but like when she when
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: she does finally become the main character, and she starts
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: like the movie traps the thing like tying off the
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: door to the to the like, it's like, not not stupid.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Things are being done to survive. And part of the
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about her being an old lady is like
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the people's defenses come down so much because they're like, huh,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: it's you.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: She goes outside, Alice goes outside, and from from like
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: all of these murders happening, and she's just seen like
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: two of her friends and they're dead, and she and
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: a jeep arrives, that very same jeep that we saw
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: the mystical figure cut the throat of.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Any out of and when the vehicle arrives, a very
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: sweet dentures alcoholic lady comes out, short hair, very such
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: an Eighties like feathered. It's a perm short hair with
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: like a very good die job, but a very obvious job. Totally,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: it is a good die job but obvious. Yeah, and
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like she's clearly like she looks I can smell this lady,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I know, Lady Cadde dude, morning, Miss catting Hair. You
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: could just say good morning, and then you could just
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: say bye.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Bye, bye bye bye. Our library teacher dude from grade five.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Her name is miss Cantonhead and and and when whenever
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: she would say good morning children, and we would say.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Good morning, Miss caten had and.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: She would go, you can just say good morning and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: then as she would because she hated us saying her name.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And I would all I knew that she hated it,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: so I would always extra ham up. The cat's great,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I would say when other people were saying it either.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like the the final twenty minutes
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: of this movie is the best part because we get
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that was like cool and set up
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: but realistic old lady fighting getting smashed in the head
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: with the fucking with a cast iron pan. Yeah, totally.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: But but her presence, I guess you could say she's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: pan sexual. But her presence in the movie, like as
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: a figure, is like she's very commanding and very scary,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: like in a way that's like his name Jason, like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: the hurt and pain, the acting and the angles at
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: which he shot at, like the directing and the acting
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: when she shows up is like, Okay, guys, the movie started, Yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: totally in a way where I'm like, this is the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: this is the best part. This is objectively the best
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: part of the movie.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: And they should have written it in a way that.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Took more advantage of that. Yeah, either built the mystery
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: of who this person was, and like they could have
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: done some sort of like feeling around like a mystery
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: something to solve, Hey, why is this happening? Well, they
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: could have done so much in the lead up. They
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: could have done so much more world building. Yeah, totally, Like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: for example, let's say, uh uh, not that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: They knew that this was going to be a franchise,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: but no, of course, not just for this movie alone.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: This movie alone where it's like, hey, somebody dies, let's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: investigate that, and oh my god, somebody died, like the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: kid died, and then the police come and they investigate
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: why likesvestic I mean speaking of transistigating and cabin movies,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: we could have done sleep away camp as well. Well.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, but yeah, like her being like I was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: here preparing meals for them. It feels very much like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the pain that this character is feeling and about like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: feeling and inflicting on these people is like very palatable, palpable,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: palpable in this scene, and and the like twist of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: oh my god, like somebody's here, like awesome, they have
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: a car, and then and then being a lady, old lady.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Trust that's that's the the mediest part of course, where
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: you're just like, oh great, that's awesome. That's really interesting.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: She's very very safe, but we also know that the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: person who was driving that yeah suv. And then when
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: she grabs Alice and is like the way you moved
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: into the joltiness of the chickens of it, Oh dude,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the chickenness of it was the best part. And the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: like he wasn't a very good swimmer. I feel like
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: you're trying to keep it not unhinged, you know what
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like feeling around for a person to be uh,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: not scared of you, but not being able to cap it,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: not being able to control yourself.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Well, there's like I I like what you're I like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: where you're going, and I want to talk about where
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: you're going because it's not just about that, it's about
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: the way it unfolds too, because she arrives and we
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: think we're safe, but she starts talking about she starts
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: talking about the situation in a.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Way where you're like, oh, no, she's like gaslighting her.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, what are you talking about? It's just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the rainy night. You're scared. He's like, no, my friends
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: have died. My friends have died. It's like, oh, show me, Chile.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Show and then there's something weird about what, So it's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: like show me she wants to see. Yeah, and then
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: she's let in. She sees she shows genuine concern, disturbedness,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and empathy these poor this poor young things, and oh
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: she's so beautiful that Like that's the interesting thing too,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is that like that mixes in with the sort of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: creepy voyeuristic sex stuff, because notice she's not killing them
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: before the sex. It's always like this resentment of like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: how gorgeous they are when it comes to the women,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: or like oh this guy who thought with his dick
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: and let my son die, you know what I mean.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: So there's like a resentment towards the young women there
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: for being young and beautiful, and the men for like
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: being like monsters who think with their dicks, who let
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: their my ky.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: But it's also it's also resenting the women for being desirable,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: is what you're saying.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like it's for being desirable and for and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: for and then also for engaging in that in that
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: because the one that survives is the one that doesn't
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: engage in that, yes, exactly exactly.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: And that becomes a running thing, right. I'm sure it's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: like the like purity of like who survives.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Totally totally, which is like a thing in horror movies. Right,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: of course, that's like a classic trope. That's the final
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: girl thing. The final girl is the virginal girl, right,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: which is why like in stuff like Freddie, when when
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: there the glove, the glove in the in the bathtub,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: in the bathtub goes between the likes between the exactly. Wow,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: he was just yeah, well I.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Saw you wanting to say it. You were showing the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: hand the hand.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, like that that sort of idea of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: taking that those themes and literalizing it into this person
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: could have been expanded on in this movie. It could
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: have been done more. They could have done more to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: slip in, uh, that kind of narrative theme and like
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: push it forward a little bit. But they they I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: know the feeling that they probably had, which was, we
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: have a little budget, we want to do a slasher.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: We want the twist to be that it's the mom.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: That it's the mom.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Great, great setup, it's a great it's smart, it is
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: it's and it's it's a better idea than it is
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: a movie.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Right, it is a way better idea than it is
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a movie. And I think that the audience like knows
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: that and respects that, and that's why it became such
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: a hit, because it's like, wow, how clever, how interesting.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I saw Psycho a couple of years ago and fucking
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the kid was the mom the whole time. Now the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: mom is the kid the whole time, you know what
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's that kind of.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Thing're talking as the kid, mommy.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Don't let her survive, mommy, and like making the voice.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And then also you think earlier because she calls out
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: to one of the counselors and it's like in a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: child voice, and that's that stuff's cool.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: That stuff is cool, and it's scary too because you're like,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: you're thinking that it is an adult. To man, it
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: sounds like that that is the killer, the murderer, because
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: of course it is, right, It's always that right. That's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the rest of Jason too, you know. Yeah. But then yeah,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: her her doing that, and then and then Alice running
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: into the barn with the gun, uh, and then like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: throwing throwing things at her at missus varhees and missus
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Varhe's like but still walking towards her in a menacing way.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, like the the the getting hurt, the legitimately
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: getting her, they getting hid in the head with the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: fucking frying pan, and like the the goop blood that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: comes up. I like that we're already in like dark
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: blood era of blood in movies. That sets the standard
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: for blood from here on in. We don't ever get
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the bright red blend of the blood ever. But yeah,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: and I think for four horror movies, the idea of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: like dark blood really is scary, you know, totally.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And also the fact that this person is not a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: monster of some kind and they're not magic yet. Yeah,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: but it is a little magic still. I feel like
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: they took some more from this and we're like why
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: not why Jason kind of kind of is like a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: weird monster thing. Why not make it magic? You know
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: And I mean like that's usually where things get fun.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Right, Like.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: The thing with with Freddy that makes it different than
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: this movie, better than this movie is you're right there.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: There isn't an element to it that you an imaginative
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: element to it that you can lean into that allows
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: for character development, that allows for more like story like plot,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: narrative points on.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: And stuff, because like in dreams, In dreams you can
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: do anything, so the visual aspect is already there. And
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: also because the way somebody dreams influences how you perceive
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: their character, right, Whereas with this so much of it
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: is oriented around who's having sex, why they're having sex. Oh,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: it's fun, and now it's not fun. They're dying, and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: you should feel sad about being having fun. Really should
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: be an adult and not have fun ever, you know
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: It is the moralistic tales of like you, the the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: the stupidness of youth and making bad decisions, and this
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: is like abstinence based sex education.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, but they should just show the moving
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Florida dude, it'll do really well. Everyone will be bored.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: And that's true. What I did like about this ending,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: like we're we're like closing off into the ending and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: like Missus Vorhees has been hit with a pan and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: she comes out with the classic machete which they set
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: up and Alice comes out with Alice. Yeah. Well, Alice
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: comes out to the water to the boat and like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: she she hits, she gets threatened by the machete and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: then she hits with the ore uh and and the fight.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: The broken oar yeah yeah, and she charges at her
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: with the broken oar.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the way the way they fight and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: the way that like Missus Vorhees takes her hair and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: is like hitting her in the sand, the like it's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: like vicious. Yeah, the unhinged performance is incredible. And then
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: she Alice grabs the knife and cuts her head off.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: And then there's two man's hands like in the frame
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: that because it's the stunt double with the head getting
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: cut off. Are you still transvestigating the mom It's not transvestigating.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: It's not transvestigating if it's a stunt double where it's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: like when when somebody fucking is all the small white
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: lady driving a motorcycle and then it's a huge black
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: guy actually riding the motorcycle and driving off.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well they do that in like parody
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: movies as a joke.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I know, but also in real movies where you see
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: schwartzy and it is a totally different guy. Well, it's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Peter Kent, dude, and they digitally proposed his face with prosthetics.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: They reimpose his base and make it look way worse
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: with the color. Dude. So what do you think about
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: this double ending where Alice is on the boat and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: she has a dream and then gets pulled in by
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Melton Jason boy young child Jason nineteen fifty six fifty
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: eight Jason, Well, which is a Chris fifty six or
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: fifty eight. He's still a boy, yeah, because he died
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: as a boy.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he got very well preserved, dude, he.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Got very well preserved. And he MUSHes her into the water.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: But then they have this like weird strange ending where
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: it's like she wakes up.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: No, I like the fake out ending. I think it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: was it was very it was very like it was reminiscent.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: To me of of Nyma and Elm Street. Oh yeah, definitely.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that movie was made after but like but
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: in that vein of like, oh, it's kind of like.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we left, We're left to ambigus I I I.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: She wakes up and the nurses immediately like, well, we
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: have to give you morphine valiant. Dude, they stabbed her
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: the bullet valium. It's like, you're fine, give her some value.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: That's how they do it. Is but but we didn't
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: talk about She gets in the boat after she's killed
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the mom and she kind of just like goes ct
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: of tonic in the boat and that like is like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: like kind of like is discovered by cops, but then
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: then is pulled in by the boy Bubble Jason. Well, like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what happens, can I can
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I kind of guess what happens because so in my understanding,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: it doesn't get supernatural yet, but to me, it's already
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: supernatural in a way because if he's still alive, Bubble
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Swamp Jason, like then then he's maybe get and he's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: still a boy. Maybe there is something like slightly magical
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: about it. That's the thing that's to me my theory,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: my theory, because that's what I'm most interested in, is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: the magical stuff. My theory is that when when she
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: finally died, like she invaded the body of her her
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: dad's son. Interesting, and that's when the like thing you're saying,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: she's like the father, the son, and the holy ghosts
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: all three and one. Yeah, I think I think so.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I think, yes, yes, I think she invaded the body
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: of young Jason and is now grew as.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Now can because now can maybe freed his body and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: spirit from the from the water. Her rage, her rage
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: also and her motivation also gets adopted into Jason. Y.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, So okay, well I think yes? Is that an official?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Is that just something that I can your lord?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of into that, Laura, because if she.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Comes back in Freddy versus Jason, really, oh, Freddy versus Jayson.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he continues her mission though he continues.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Her it's like a revenge. But it's like, why is
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Jason getting revenge? You know what I mean?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Well, because I think he's also getting he's getting revenge
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: on his mom because he said that she got killed.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's true, that's true. And Betsy Palmer as
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Missus Voorhees, like incredible, really good job, really good job,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: very obvious.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Smoker's colored dentures definitely very obviously.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: They were not widened before that. They have the nicotine
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: staying on them. So what would you give the movie?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: I would give this movie a very generous four out
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: of ten.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Wow. Four? Okay, Yeah, I'm very very generous, very generous.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: And that's not that's not saying that's that's because of
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: the things that I liked. Yeah, dude, yeah, I mean
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: that's fair. Dude, that's that is really fair. It's it's boring.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: It's it needs like either something more in it or
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it needs less, like less time, it needs to be shorter.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: For a while, dude, you and I haven't been rating
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: things out of like the main character of a thing
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: because we haven't been doing movies with like a main
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: actor sort of focusing on a main actor in mind.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: But now we have a unifying character and that's Jason,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: and we need to have many machetes.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: How many machetes? How many machetes would you give?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I would give like this first appearance
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: of Jason, I would give it a like a seven.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Really tell me that well, because because dude, the strength
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: of it, the strength of his one goopy appearance, it
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: like sets the stage for a lot.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Of the lore and the twist. Dude, the twist is earned.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: The twist is cool. The law. You're right, there is
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of laurification in terms of post this movie,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: but there is like law in it. Yeah, Like like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the idea that's a powerful image. A kid dying and
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: like your mom taking revenge, that's a powerful image. And
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: even that shot of the water in the dark when
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: she's remembering and it's just a child. You see the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: ripples and the light reflecting off of the darkness on
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: the water and the sky. It's such a beautiful image
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: in this otherwise media like very dark looking movie that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: like you know, the special effects and all of that
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: stuff is cool and interesting, but like it's kind of
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: like when a movie's too dark too sometimes it's indicative
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: of low budget of like so much happens in the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: like confusion of the graininess that you're like, so for
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: a shot like that to be in this movie, that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: was cool. But then also it looked like the footage
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: of like that beaver looked like me taking like my
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: iPhone video of a beaver's moving the water totally totally.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: How much How many stars would you give it?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I I'd like I would give it like a five. Yeah,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you're reasoning. I was gonna I was gonna give it
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: a six because I was like, I'm watching it. I
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. I like, it's like, oh,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: young Kevin Bacon, and it's just like so much of
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: the movie has a different kind of nostalgia for me
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: than it does to you. So it it so much
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: nostalgia was pulling me into like I'm doing a movie
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: with my brother. It's almost Halloween, I'm getting ready for
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you know, there was like a lot of goodwill. But
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: in talking to you about it, it's like, you're right
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: those like the movie doesn't really have too many dimensions
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: to it. Uh And as a movie itself, it's like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: competently made, and competence is one thing, but like when
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm watching a movie, I wanted to be fucking awesome always,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what I'm so like.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I brought it down from a six because I was like, man,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: that was good and I knew you weren't gonna like it,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: like I knew so, like I was pretty ready for
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the type of conversation. But also when I heard you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: on the phone twice today, I was like, oh, man,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: you must be mad the movie, because I remember one
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: time when you were mad at a movie and we
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: were like, I forget which one it was, but we
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: were like, we were having a difficult time with with.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about Kickbox or Vengeance?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: It might have it might have been Kickbox Revengeance, it
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: might have been that time. But I'm excited to go
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: through it because this is we're going through these movies
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: and it's yeah, me too, I'm excited to go through
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: it too. I don't get me wrong, Like I'm on
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: this journey full you know that I'm gonna give it
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: a fair shake. I think so too, I always do,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: and like I'm intrigued, I'm not not intrigued. Like for
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: all of the reasons that we've talked about, I did
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: give it a seven Jason's. I gave his appearance. That's true,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: seven Jasons. That's true, And I'll give it a seven
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Jason's as well, both for what you said and also
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think I'm gonna I think I'm
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: gonna I think I'm gonna be generous and and say
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: there's enough groundwork laid for other stuff to happen with
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: him as a character. And also I'm interested in seeing
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: what they did with I'm pretty sure they get rid
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: of the mom like pretty quickly missus varhees. And I'm
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: not sure if they come back to it, whether they
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: come back to it like later, because I know it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't come back. I don't know when it comes back,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: but I mean it definitely comes back in Freddy versus
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Jason already covered. Absolutely, we won't cover cover this time.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Do you want to cover to gain? No, we'll we'll
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: talk about it.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: A corner show or something about it. But what I'm
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: really excited for is Jayson two thousand and nine because
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since two thousand and nine, and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: I really loved it when I came out, and I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: wonder if it holds up. It just got released on
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Arrow Video, so like they do they like, you know,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: do re like reissues movies. So it's like, okay, all right,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: well we'll see yeah follows that.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: How many are how many are there?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: At this point? I think there are like thirteen of them. Okay, yeah,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of them. Are we doing? Are we doing
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: like the Crystal Leg Show? Oh? Man, dude, yeah we
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: should a show A show are they going to base
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: it on? I have no idea actually, because they do
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: those shows sometimes where it's like Freddy is introducing them,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: but it's actually, yeah, it's or like you know, they
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: did the Hitcher Show when it was based on the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: It's like stuff like that. Follow U set. I'm not
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: done yet. I'm not done yet. Oh okay.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Expectations for this series pretty low. Yeah, yeah, but like
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Jason was never our guy.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: He was never I hope it's going to be good.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: I want to do you think that there's some use
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: in watching them in succession like this?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And that? Wait, what do you mean succession? Like
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: watching them one after the other? I mean it's for
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: the lord dude. Yeah yeah, catch up to the low.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the that's always the most interesting part
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: of these series because the thing about horror movies is
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: that they have a lot of lore, especially like the series. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: what do you think, like, how do you think Jason
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: is going to stack up as a character, not well
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: compared to someone like Freddy not well, even Chucky not well,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: what do you mean even Chucky. Chucky is one of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: the best ones. That's true. Chucky has so much character.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: But that's even even even Fucking I was gonna say,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Halloween has character. Even Michael Myers has character despite being
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: like just the shape. I was gonna say, the like,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: we always like the ones that have like a charismatic,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: interesting person. I don't understand how this can be People's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: series because it's like, it's like, Okay, so the main
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: character is this guy that doesn't ever say or do
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: anything except for kill people, and so yeah, like you
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: see their body acting. I guess we'll have to see
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: what it is. I guess it's more in the lore.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: But like for me, it's like and and on top
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: of that, we don't get reoccurring characters like Kirsten and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Nancy from like or passing the torch between characters like
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: juicy Lips and fucking thing and like Amanda or or Kristen.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I said all those names, but but but like passing
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: the like yeah, between characters, so it can connect. There's
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: like a tissue verse, yeah, as opposed to just focusing
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: on a person who's mad. That he died in a lake. Yeah,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: and like, okay, let's mine it. But then but then,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: like Jason goes to space, Jason goes to Manhattan.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: He goes, he travels, he likes traveling. Yeah, so putting
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: him in different circumstances is what we always say is
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: good for sequels.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Definitely, that's definitely true.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: So okay, let's I'm I'm I'm optimistic, I'm optimistic.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not optimistic.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: I've I'm also not optimistic. I'm really trying to be.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm really trying to do But well, what do you
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: think would make it better? Would it be like trying
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: to get into the head of some dumb fuck who
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: likes these movies or or or would it be better
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: to because like you're I mean, okay, as much as
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I am the guy who's like, well, yeah, like technical
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: movies whatever, like I will be like, yeah, I mean,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: you get it to the head of a guy who's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: but you're a nice person, dude, You're a person who's like,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: man like, don't judge a person whatever, at least on
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: the podcast. But like, I'm a person who's gonna be
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: like on and off on the podcast, be like fuck
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: these people I don't give a fuck about people not
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: liking me about my opinions about this fucking piece of
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: shit movie. You know what I mean, Like hard it's bad.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: It's not that it's not it's it's really not that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm It's really not that I'm trying to be nice.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: It's more that I'm frustrated with myself that I that
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: I can't get into it, you know what i mean, Like,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm frustrated.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: I think you should explore that way more on the show.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's a way more interesting. Well that's what
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'm talking about it because like, yeah,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: you should be like, who would fucking like this? What
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: tell me? You tell me you audience, you tell me
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: who would like to? Who have you knuckle dragging more
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: like this? You know what I mean? But that's funny.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: That's be like lean into the rush Rush Limba, we
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: miss rush, Lean into that. Be the heel. I'll be
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: the baby face, the late the late great, the late
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: great we missing. I'm no one, no one replaced him,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: there's nobody here to Bracelet I'm the heel on the show,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: and you're the babyface, right, so be the baby face.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: So I'll be the baby face. I'll be like, no, man,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: like come on, oh, you want me to be the
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: be the heel because it's like that will allow you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: to like let go of the like, oh, man, I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: suck it getting into the movie, garbage movie. It's not
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: gonna be hard to be a heel about this. I'll
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: be like, no, dude, it's really good. Actually, look at
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: all the you know what I mean. So it'll balance
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: us out in a way where I can be like,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: all this technical aspect of this movie, like it's got
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: a blow budget. Yeah, and you could be like, I
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck out this low budget ship. I've
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: seen low budget movies be good. Fuck you you know
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: what I mean. That's true. I have seen a bunch
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: of movies because the first Saw movie there you Go,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: We just true true, And the first part of it
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: was a student film. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Not
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: the first part, but the middle the middle part, and
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: and also just shaking a car to make it seem
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: like it's they did a lot of goods. It did
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of goods stuffs. But you know what, it's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: a new year. It's not. It's not.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: It's decidedly not a saw year. Last year was like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: a peak and I think we we did it in
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: such the perfect time, absolutely, and so like now it
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: feels appropriate to do something very different. And you know
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: what for me, if we're gonna be completest about it
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna do the big ones, if we're if
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: we did Schwartzy, we did its Loan, we did Van Damn.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't somewhat Bruce, Why wouldn't we do the Top three?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Guy? Yeah, of course, Michael Myers, We got John Kramer,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: we got if you're at already, Freddy, if you're at
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: also like at least three movies. We could do Terrifier
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: next year, Dude, I saw Terrifier one. No, dude, we
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: do next next year, no compromises. I'm doing fucking Chucky's. Yeah,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: we're doing the Van dam but we but Chucky is
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: a show. I don't care, dude, We're you gonna watch? Yeah, yeah, dude,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: there's like nine movies. They are also canonically LGBTQ. Dude,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: and I need to learn. Oh yeah, I need to represent, dude,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: that's true. That's I need to represent for my community. Dude.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: That would be like, man, fuck, we did miss An
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: opportunity of doing it with this year, that would I
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so. I think no,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I don't dere is chucky. I do twenty twenty five.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: I do think the project twenty twenty five for us
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: next year is there.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: I do think that it's time for Jason.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: It is total the same way it was time for
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, and so like where I was like, okay,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: like I have to do whatever we do what however
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: this turns out, we have to do it. But it
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: turned out beautifully.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a beautiful phone call for.
• 1:29:16
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• 1:29:25
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• 1:29:28
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• 1:29:32
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• 1:29:36
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• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: there totally. But I'm glad we're back into doing.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Like regular Yeah, we're gonna do regular content. I'm going
• 1:29:44
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• 1:29:46
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• 1:29:51
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