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SMNTY Classics: My Fanfiction is Better Than Your's · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm notcome to stuff. Never told you production by Heart
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  Speaker 2: Radio and welcome to another classic. This is one I
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  Speaker 2: had on my mind because of you, Samantha. You asked
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  Speaker 2: me after viewing a recent movie, if this is what
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  Speaker 2: fan fiction is like, and I said, you know, sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: but it reminded me of a past episode we did
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  Speaker 2: called my fan fiction is better than Yours, and it
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  Speaker 2: was about how I feel like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fan fiction that is better than what I feel like
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  Speaker 2: is essentially franchised, sanctioned fan fiction. But I will say
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  Speaker 2: about this episode, I didn't know how much worse things
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  Speaker 2: were going to get for me in certain terms, in
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  Speaker 2: terms of cannon in some cases, and then also in
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  Speaker 2: terms of other properties, not just Star Wars. So it's
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  Speaker 2: just funny to me because I do feel like without
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  Speaker 2: the constraints of studios sometimes that picture it really is better.
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  Speaker 1: It really is, yes.
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  Speaker 2: But your mileage may vary, you might have different thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: but please enjoy this classic episode.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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  Speaker 1: Never told your production of iHeartRadio and welcome to another
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: We are actually recording this one at happy hour time
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. We are yeah, so cheers to that huge Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, oh so excited.
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  Speaker 2: Also, as always, drink responsibly if you choose to do
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  Speaker 2: so before we get into this one.
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  Speaker 1: Here a rare happy hour disclaimer.
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  Speaker 2: I am being self indulgent and I am being a
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  Speaker 2: bit salty, and we are focusing largely on the fanboy
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  Speaker 2: aspects of toxic fandom. But I want to acknowledge her.
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely know there are toxic fangirls and they have
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  Speaker 2: bullied creators, and they have bullied people offline. I had
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  Speaker 2: a friend who was She left her job because of
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  Speaker 2: some really intense railo fans Kyler, Rinn and Ray from
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars. So we should definitely come back and talk
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: about that again. I know we've talked about it in
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  Speaker 2: a few past episodes, but for this one in particular,
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  Speaker 2: kind of focusing on the fanboy aspect of toxic fandom.
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  Speaker 2: And I also want to say, well, this might sound
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  Speaker 2: like a hip bee's certain male Star Wars creaders.
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  Speaker 1: It's not. It's absolutely not. I promise you it's not.
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  Speaker 2: And also I want to say I thought about this,
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  Speaker 2: like perhaps way too much, but I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: kind of Star Wars books when I was younger and
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  Speaker 2: you know, sort of early fan fiction if you will,
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  Speaker 2: and those weren't you know, people did make fun of
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  Speaker 2: them in culture at large and mediat large. They were
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  Speaker 2: popular among Star Wars fans, but it was sort of
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  Speaker 2: still kind of mocked at the time. And now that
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  Speaker 2: things like the Mandalorian have made Star Wars or you know,
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  Speaker 2: things like that of made nerdiness more mainstream, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there is mocked anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a thing that happened.
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  Speaker 2: However, I would still say it was mostly men getting
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  Speaker 2: their work published, and I would still say that these
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars books were held in higher regard than women
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  Speaker 2: writing fan fiction. I think that this is changing. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: there are going to be some spoilers. They're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: very light, like I hesitate to even call them spoilers,
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  Speaker 2: but it's one of those things where I think if
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  Speaker 2: you thought about it, you could figure out what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about, which means that Samantha is going to be
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  Speaker 2: very kind and just listen to me vent a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And that I would also like to thank my friends,
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: the Katies, the two kds that I have in my
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: life that are very close to for letting me have
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  Speaker 2: a very intense text exchange to get my feelings out.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, a lot of the things I'm
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  Speaker 2: discussing are matters of opinion and interpretation. I get that,
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  Speaker 2: even if it sounds like I don't. As I said,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be very self indulgent. But Samantha,
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  Speaker 2: what are you sipping on?
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  Speaker 3: I am keeping it light with my what is called
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  Speaker 3: light sky blue move, mainly because I just want to
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  Speaker 3: sip on something that it's not too heavy. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes beer makes me super sleepy, and I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 3: like the obviously the higher alcohol content, but like IPA's
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  Speaker 3: and any of the craft independent that I do love
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  Speaker 3: makes me sleepy.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel like I need to.
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  Speaker 3: Be aware for this conversation, just for you. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: slipping on just a generic beer.
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  Speaker 4: What about you?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that's actually that's perfect because we are I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even specify what spoilers you might have to worry about.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about Scream and Star Wars. Oh okay, book
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  Speaker 2: a fat stuff in here, and you know the the
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  Speaker 2: blue sky blue moon.
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  Speaker 1: There's an indoor moon.
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars parody of that beer, So you're you're right
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  Speaker 2: right in in.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say in fashion that's not correct.
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  Speaker 2: But I am sipping on what is essentially a Gin
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  Speaker 2: and Tonic, but spicy because I'm feeling very spicy for
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  Speaker 2: this episode. I just put some hot sauce in there,
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  Speaker 2: and it's actually really good. It's kind a nice kick.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, I like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, So all right, let's get into this because
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  Speaker 2: I got to have to say a lot of franchises
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  Speaker 2: are getting rebooted or are they have new entries that
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  Speaker 2: are coming out right now, And we've talked about a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them, including and just like that recently The
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  Speaker 2: Sex and the City.
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  Speaker 1: It's a reboot is not necessarily correct.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, continuing story, the continuing story, Thank you the Matrix.
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  Speaker 2: We did a whole feminist movie Friday on that We've
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  Speaker 2: mentioned Halloween, Scream and of course Star Wars all the
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  Speaker 2: time Star Wars, and something I've found interesting is that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them seem to address fans and how
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  Speaker 2: fans perceive them or how fans have influenced these franchises
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  Speaker 2: or toxic fans, and they almost have like a wink
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  Speaker 2: wink thing going on about moving on from legacy characters
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  Speaker 2: or holding on too tightly to how you think a
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  Speaker 2: character should be, and how these characters are never going
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  Speaker 2: to be happy as long as we keep bringing them back.
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  Speaker 2: And trust me, I feel so sad for my fictional.
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  Speaker 1: Characters that I love.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to see this movie, but I
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  Speaker 2: want you to be happy, and I know the two can't.
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  Speaker 4: Coexist, and they can never coexist.
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  Speaker 1: No, not if we're going to keep making this type
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  Speaker 1: of movie.
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  Speaker 2: In this case, I'm talking about Scream, and I have
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  Speaker 2: a fan fiction i'm writing right now, and I kid
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  Speaker 2: you not, I'm at the I know how the story goes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm at the precipice of it going all wrong. I
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  Speaker 2: can't write it, Samantha. I feel too guilty. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do this to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the tragedy is just too much tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: It's too much like I want you to be happy.
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  Speaker 2: So I've actually skipped the traumatic part and I've started
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  Speaker 2: writing that healing from the traumatic part.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think I could work. I think that's fun, but
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  Speaker 1: it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I never used to have that problem before, but now
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  Speaker 2: I'm like I cannot write, I cannot.
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  Speaker 1: Do this to you, but I still have it hanging there.
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  Speaker 2: Like Also, I want to say I learned some new
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  Speaker 2: fandom terms. And this is from TV trips dot com
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  Speaker 2: quote when a creator answers a question about their work,
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  Speaker 2: should they provide an in universe answer our real life answer?
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  Speaker 2: The former is the Watsonian perspective, the latter doyalist.
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  Speaker 4: Oh as in like Watson and Doyle's the writer. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess yes, Okay, yes, I bring this up because
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  Speaker 2: that's been some criticism of specifically Book of Boba.
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  Speaker 1: Fett is Like.
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  Speaker 2: I get I being like a lot of fans get
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  Speaker 2: why you have to make these decisions based on budget
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  Speaker 2: or technology or yeah, just basically plot stuff, but you
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  Speaker 2: didn't explain it in universe like I get your real
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  Speaker 2: life limitations, which you were kind of just like okay,
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  Speaker 2: and you didn't really give it an answer. So it's
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  Speaker 2: I had never heard of that before, but I was like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's because all the time you're thinking about like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder why the couldn't do this. I bet they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the money or something like that. So they
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  Speaker 2: are those terms, And yes, of course, I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about an fiction. We look down upon fan fiction
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  Speaker 2: when women in non binary folks write it, but we
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  Speaker 2: load it and make it into movies or TV shows
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to men. And on top of that,
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  Speaker 2: how toxic fanboys and studios are controlling what material gets
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  Speaker 2: made and who gets to participate in making it. If
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  Speaker 2: I could like make a thesis statement of the like
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  Speaker 2: anger that I'm feeling, which, by the way, if this
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  Speaker 2: was a different show, I would read that textus shade.
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  Speaker 1: I was going off. I was going off. I think
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: I'm frustrated with who gets to side what canon is,
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  Speaker 2: and then I frustrated with the fact that toxic fandom
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  Speaker 2: is also influencing who gets to decide what canon is
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  Speaker 2: when we are also making fun of fan fiction, which
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  Speaker 2: is what you are doing right right. Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 2: do also want to put in here. I've said it
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  Speaker 2: time and time again. Fan fiction is a hobby for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people. It's a hobby and it's not
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  Speaker 2: like ever intended to go beyond that. It's like if
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  Speaker 2: you like playing soccer and you're not ever thinking, oh
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be a professional one d You just
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  Speaker 2: like playing soccer and I had somebody tell me recently
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  Speaker 2: you could make money if you, you know, had a
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  Speaker 2: Patreon and people could read your fan fiction, And I said,
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  Speaker 2: I sure could. But that kind of ruins to me
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  Speaker 2: what fan fiction is, which is this sort of beautiful
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  Speaker 2: free space where we're all doing that, and then I
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  Speaker 2: think it would become this capitalist thing. Part of what
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about here as part of the problem. So
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: it's as seemingly simple as a topic as this is,
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  Speaker 2: there are a lot of layers and my mind is
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  Speaker 2: always percolating on it.
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  Speaker 3: So wait for fan fiction that has become successful. Is
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  Speaker 3: that the same thought process like they did they sell out?
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  Speaker 4: Or is it like you know, we want that too?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? To me, it's not they sold out.
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  Speaker 2: To me, there's plenty of fan fiction And this is
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  Speaker 2: the point I'm going to make throughout this that is
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  Speaker 2: really good and like I would pay to read it,
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  Speaker 2: and plenty of it is better than a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: What I see.
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  Speaker 2: But I guess my worry is if like the whole
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  Speaker 2: world of fan fiction got monetized. Like I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's wrong that some things are picked up because they're
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  Speaker 2: really resonating with people and then they make money.
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  Speaker 1: What bothers me. Is like if the idea that the whole.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to pay to read fan fiction, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I would, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Love fan fiction, you know I love fan fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's more just like my I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to turn that world into a place where it's only
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  Speaker 2: monetized and capitalized. I like that some people have found success,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that some people could even I think
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  Speaker 2: one person said, what if it was like you just
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  Speaker 2: got the update early and that's the Patreon that you
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  Speaker 2: paid for it is I maybe there's ways it could work.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't want the whole You would pay pace, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I know you would, Yes, I would, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I got no real problem. I do have a problem with,
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  Speaker 2: like some people who have made success from fan fiction
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  Speaker 2: writing fan fiction and then looking down on fan fiction
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  Speaker 2: and getting mad when people write fan fiction about their work.
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  Speaker 1: That bothers me. But that's kind of a set.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's fair. That's fair though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a separate issue. Critical mm hmmm. So this
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  Speaker 1: was inspired.
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  Speaker 2: This whole thing was inspired by Yes, the book Abobaffett
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  Speaker 2: recently ending, but also a recent daydream I had of like, ooh,
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  Speaker 2: what if I got to write a Star Wars show,
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  Speaker 2: like what.
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  Speaker 1: Would I do?
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  Speaker 2: And then I had the almost immediate shutting down of
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  Speaker 2: this dream because not because I didn't think I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: do it, but because I thought two things in quick succession. One,
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  Speaker 2: these men doing it are more qualified. Two, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to deal with the inevitable fanboy backlash, which is
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  Speaker 2: not good because if that's one of the first things,
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  Speaker 2: I think, that's very like, that's already gatekeepy, that's already like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: these men know better, which you know they might, but
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  Speaker 2: it's not. It was more of a just immediate shutting
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  Speaker 2: down of no way I could compete, and it was
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  Speaker 2: less of oh yeah, they've been working in film and
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  Speaker 2: movie and writing. It was more of their men in
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  Speaker 2: this like nerdy world. And then the second, like the
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  Speaker 2: fanboy backlash that I was immedia.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to And I know people who have
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  Speaker 2: left projects because of fan backlash and fanboy backlash specifically,
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  Speaker 2: So that's already like, it's already not great when it
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: comes to diversity in these fields, but for that to
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  Speaker 2: be causing in this case, I'm thinking of women. I
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  Speaker 2: know to leave that's making it.
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  Speaker 1: Worse, and I do.
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  Speaker 2: I want to put in here, like I know how
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  Speaker 2: annoying it is for people to look at your job
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  Speaker 2: and think, oh, I could do that when you've had
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  Speaker 2: training or been in the business for years total like respect,
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  Speaker 2: but still like.
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  Speaker 1: Just I don't know. I guess I'm questioning.
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  Speaker 2: Who has afforded these opportunities because I still think I
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  Speaker 2: could write something pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think you could do I think I
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  Speaker 1: could you definitely.
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  Speaker 2: It frustrates me that and I just instantly doubted that,
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  Speaker 2: Like even though I was like, with this idea, I
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  Speaker 2: think I could.
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  Speaker 1: Do it, and then I was like, oh, no, you
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  Speaker 1: can never do that. I will say.
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  Speaker 2: Also, having to deal with studios, especially big studio like Disney,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like a real nightmare. I'm not sure I
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  Speaker 2: could do that very well. But I think I could
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  Speaker 2: write the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You just have to be famous before the fact.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so we need to make you famous, real famous, and.
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  Speaker 3: Then have the support of Mark Hamill and then you
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  Speaker 3: would be down.
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  Speaker 1: I would melt into a puddle.
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  Speaker 4: I know you would.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: That's like if you ever can't get old of me,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: like after he ever.
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  Speaker 1: Tweets me or something you can't get old of me,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: By the bye our Twitter, the stuff Mo'm never told you.
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  Speaker 3: Twitter has now they do updates he did not. They
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  Speaker 3: do updates of like you might be interested in this
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: person's sweet, and we follow a lot of people, and
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere it says, here's Mark Hamil's sweet.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even know what it was about.
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  Speaker 3: Out but because someone in the Twitter verse has realized
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  Speaker 3: your love and we don't even follow Mark Hamill on
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: our stuff, mom never told you, but it needed to
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: alert us about Mark Hamill's text tweet that I'm pretty
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: sure it's because of you, which is quite funny because
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: we don't mention it at all in Twitter. But for
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: me to get that notification or for me to see
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: that notification, I was like, this is Annie's fault somehow.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I don't deny it. I don't deny it.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk about Scream twenty twenty two,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: which was a movie that I loved. I saw it
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: at the drive in and then I was fortunate enough
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: to see it again and I absolutely adored it, and
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: it actually addressed some of the stuff we're talking about.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: And one of the things they have of course, in
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: every screen movie they have the scene where they sit
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: down and they talk about the rules of the horror movies,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: because if you haven't seen these movies, they're very, very meta.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And in this one, the character I can't remember her name,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: but she's like Randy from the original movie her his niece.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, we got to talk about requels, and she
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: breaks into this definition of what a requel is and
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: she's like, you know, the fans are mad, like, you
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: can't have a straight reboot because they don't want that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: They want some of the legacy characters from the other one.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But you can't continue from what the last movie did
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: because they hated that. So you have to create something
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: that's not quite a sequel. It's a requel. It's in
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: between a reboot and a sequel. And so the movie
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: in itself, yes, exactly, and no joke, they bought up
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Star Wars. In that conversation the Last Jedi in particular,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the first text.
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  Speaker 4: I got about the movie, Oh my god, they're talking about.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Star Wars and fan FICTIONID and Mary Zeus, which was
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: all the all these critiques that were thrown against, like
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the Mary Sue being ray and then you know this
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  Speaker 2: is just fan fiction, which is part of what I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: think is really frustrating me because it is fan fiction.
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  Speaker 2: But you're making it sound like it's good when they
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: do it how you want them to do it, but
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it's not good when they don't do it the way
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  Speaker 2: you think is the appropriate ray, appropriate way, appropriate ray.
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  Speaker 2: But they also talked about in this movie. They talked
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  Speaker 2: about toxic fanboys and toxic fandom and I wish I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: could spoil the ending because it's so good and I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: have so many thoughts about it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But essentially, it's like.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Fans, this toxic fan culture, thinking they're entitled to a thing,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: getting angry when they don't get that thing, and then
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: getting violent when they don't get that thing, and trying
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to create something through violence that they believe is better. Also,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: it is all about kind of it's very parallel to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Rage Journey.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: So good, but yes, let us talk about the Star Wars. So, okay,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I've been fired up.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I've been fired up.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Way to go?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I think I was getting really angry
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: watching there's been a lot of announcements around Star Wars lately,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: and I also had the book of both fat and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I was just getting angry and angrier about this idea
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that like these kind of white fanboys getting paid millions
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: of dollars to write fan fiction while it's so looked
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: down upon and other like any other way, but you're
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: doing the same thing. You're doing the same thing. You're
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: just a dude and you're doing it and you got money.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And like maybe I'm not even saying they're not talent.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like I'm kind of annoyed at this
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: why we are differentiating where well they're doing it so.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: That's not fan fiction, but it is.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: It absolutely is, And I feel like it's proving to
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: me over and over again that they these kind of
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: fanboys at large, I'll say, missed the power of the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: ending of Return the Jedi, which I think is feminist
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: in nature, and that's the whole thing, and that they
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: connect hardcore with like ass Slash Failure characters and think
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: that violence and combat is the answer.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Which I've actually.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Thought a lot about this and I want to come
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: back and do it an episode on the glorification of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the Ass. But anyway, when so, when a lot of
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: these fanboys grew up who hated returned the Jedi by
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the way, they hated it when came out. They got
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to fix it, which to me is just like constantly.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It's you know, I love being a fan, but it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: also sad sometimes I see it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: That was a supernatural right when I was giving into
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it in the ending, and there was so much debate
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and even today not too loss. I somehow got on
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: TikTok and they're debating about who they hate and why they.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Hate them, and I was like, hewn, that seems unnecessary.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, Agreed, And I try really hard.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I try really really hard because I am a big
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: fan of stuff, Like I don't want to make people
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: feel bad about something they're a fan of as long
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: as it's not like hornfole or whatever, like right if
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: we have different opinions, because I'm very sensitive to that actually,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: and so I try to be mindful of you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: like there's a certain character that you brought back that
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I hate in Book of popa Fat, but I know
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people like him.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So I was trying to be like, Okay.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Cad Bane, Yeah, I was screaming at the TV.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: No.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I feel like from the Rebels portion that I saw
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that cad Bain should have been fighting Finnick, but I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, that's true, or the bad Batch it
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: was on bad Batch where they fight.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah bad Batch.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and so again yeah, I try to be like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it's not it's okay, this is my experience. But yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It also cracks me up that a lot of fan
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: boys who were behind the whole not my Luke Skywalker
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: thing were mad that he wasn't a cinnamon role anymore.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: But if I told him what a cinnamon role was,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: they would deny it. They would deny.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: That that was not masculine enough for them.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, So that kind of cracks me up.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Also, just another thread, Pedro Pascal is essentially playing the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: same character and the same dilemma in terms of audience,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: which again I don't want to spoil things, but in
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the last of Us, so that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Was kind of I kept thinking that, like, wow, the same.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Oh you're doing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: He's played the Mendo character in the last it's the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: same character.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So I guess what's.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Really annoying to me is that, yes, these toxic fanboys
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: are controlling what gets made in terms of like like
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: review bombing or just harassing people on social media, like
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: all these things that are intimidating people like me. Not
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that I'm saying I could, I'm going to succeed, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: like I wouldn't even think of it, like I was immediate,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: like no, because of this, and that is a term
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of gatekeeping, and that at least somewhat along with studios interfering,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that's just influencing these franchises in particular, so heavily, not
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: just Star Wars. And on top of that, a lot
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of the writers paid to write this glorified fan fiction
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: are still men who I think would be outraged if
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it was called fan fiction. I think they would be
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: real pissed.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: So do we know Felony's stance on fan fiction because.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: He the way he describes why he loves it so much,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it sounds like he's talking about fan fiction because he
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: was like, I the story, and I would imagine what.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: If Yeah, I don't know, but I imagine it would
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: not be good because my thing is like I still
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: think even if even if he was like okay, yeah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: fan fiction, there's still that hang up on that idea
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that fan fiction is written by girls, young girls who
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: just want to have sex with like characters. They like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and that creeps them out and they dismiss it, which
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: is not true.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's not the case like that can't exist, and I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: don't think there's anything wrong with.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: That existing, right Wait, but not the point of like
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: when boys would have pictures of scantily clad celebrities, that's
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that same kind of level, except it's five.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's okay because male sexuality is fine,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: but when it comes to young girls, that's not fine,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Like that's creepy.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is I have a lot of experience,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: as we've discussed in the world of fans fiction, so
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: this is a lot of my opinion and I will
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that, but I've also I've got experience, right, right,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe that's ultimately what I'm trying to say is,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: can we just like stop pretending that it's only young
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: girls who have some kind of sexual thing that freaks
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you out writing fan fiction that you're looking down on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: when that's what you are doing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Right and I'm not even like, again, I have no idea.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're totally into fan fiction, but it just I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: just feel like a lot of people would be furious,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: like not just mad, but like outraged. If you said, oh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the concept of labeling mm hmmm, yeah, Like, oh, that's
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that's not academic and that's not good, so therefore no,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And then I think like, yeah, I guess it's just
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: frustrating because they make a lot of money off right,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and they get to decide what canon is.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Oh right, and right now.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I'm still confused by that, like that's still a way
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that doesn't exist.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: How is it canon?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Cool?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Cool? Cool?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Oh look, I have to ask you that all the time.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like what, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. So
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I have my own head canon pretty pretty well. So
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I ignore that this happened because it's no
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: way I'll accept this. Yeah, it's a whole thing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Bringing up so many issues right now.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I was outraged over the past two days.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I was like my friend she texted me, she said,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it sounds like you're grieving, and I was like, maybe,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: but perhaps you are. I also am very like I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: try very hard, like this will pass. I'm I'm right now,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling it real hard, but this will pass, And
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I'm I try really hard not to be like it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: not worth in my opinion, it's worth getting upset over,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: but it's not worth getting that upset over, like I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: have ultimately no control, even though I was also thinking
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: about that, like what if a bunch of I don't know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: feminist Luke Skywalker fans got.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: On and were like, hey, creators, if you don't do
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this like the fanboys, could you imagine? Gosh? I was
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: so mad when I write this, but I wrote this outlet.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I can tell because I wrote, they are the ones
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: with attachment issues explanation.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's true. Past it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Wait, I was like, what do you mean you agree?
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: You said it. You can't agree with yourself everyone who
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: said it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I can't agree with past andy who was in the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: throes of emotion. Oh my gosh, so much. And then
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I wrote, pay me in all caps are consult me.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. I think I could be a
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: pretty good consultant.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I think you've proven yourself on a movie crush, especially
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: you are teaching uh Chuck so much.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I am the Jedi master.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Of Star Wars.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, I gotta I gotta let go of my emotions.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta release them into the Force.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I'm working on it, but let me ask you a
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: real quick because I feel like I need to and
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: go ahead and tell y'all this is a spoiler for
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Bubba Fett. So if you want to pause it, skip
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: over it for a minute, you can. So Grogu has decided.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Not to be a Jedi. Correct, that's where we're at,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and this is the beginning decided with Mandalorian.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's decided it at this point in time because
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: he's essentially the same choice that Yoda gave Luke, where
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: he's like, you can't go save your friends or you're
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: draining show.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: So Luke a parallel their parallel journey that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Kind of because of because of how Grogu ages it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: not gonna work.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know again, Like that's some one of those
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: things where I'm like, I don't know if this is
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: your real life problem or you're in Cannon problem, but uh,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the way they're currently handling it, it won't work because
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Luke will beat it by then.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, moving on, Yeah, past that spoiler.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Pass the spoiler, but yes, thank you to all of
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: my friends and some of you listeners who have listened
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to we just vent. I mean the text exchanges I've
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: had through these tough fandom times and cheers cheers to me, yes, yes,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and go write all the fan fiction. Go read all
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the fan fiction. There's some amazing stuff. I mean, this
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: was like this book of Boba Fett. Thing was like
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Chum and the fan fiction waters. All of a sudden,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of people write.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of people with a lot of opinions.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, this show almost as many as the Marvel shows.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and and just like that too, because
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: it was very it was very divided, it was very polarized.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I would say, I feel like the Mandalorian people just
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: either really just lovet like it felt like that was
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: like a good show for people to be back into
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: this world, but like the rest of them had so
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: much Why did you do it this way?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, damn, yeah, I mean that's kind
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of my biggest I keep hearing Miley Cyrus. You gave
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: it like a reckckball because the last three episodes were.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Not about Bubba Fet. That was an ad for the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Mandalorian season three.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's and I don't really even like Bubba Fet,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: but I was willing to give him a try, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: then they were like, never mind, it's gonna be about
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: this now, and he's not even in the episodes.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I love Phoenix, so I was very excited because I
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: feel like they should have done more with.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Her, definitely, but okay, agreed, agreed. Well, thanks for letting
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: me have this space all day. I knew probably going
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I feel like we're gonna have another one soon.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I think we might when I've like settled down a
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Oh so thanks listeners for allowing me to have this journey.
• 31:11
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• 31:13
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• 31:19
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• 31:22
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• 31:25
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• 31:27
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