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The Starsky Generation · Movie Meltdown

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: This episode is rated M for Misty. Yes, that's right,
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: this is a Misty episode, so it will be laced
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: with profanity even more than usual. If you're not comfortable
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: with this level of profanity, perhaps this isn't the episode
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: for you. But we have many other episodes to choose
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  Speaker 1: from that do not feature Misty and will probably be
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: far less offensive. Okay, maybe. With that having been said,
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: on with the show.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: Provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 1: To your stations, we have a movie meltdown.
• 1:13
  Speaker 4: How come Starsky and Hutch isn't on? That show was
• 1:16
  Speaker 4: cancelled a long time ago. That was my favorite show!
• 1:28
  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Misty.
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  Speaker 5: And we're coming to you live in a little recording
• 1:33
  Speaker 5: from the outskirts of Fandom Fest.
• 1:35
  Speaker 4: And by outskirts we mean literally outside on the grassy knoll.
• 1:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's usually where we hang out is in the
• 1:40
  Speaker 5: grassy knoll. Not that we're shady characters or anything, but
• 1:43
  Speaker 5: grassy knoll.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45
  Speaker 5: Not the first time I've recorded in the grassy knoll.
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  Speaker 4: So, Misty.
• 1:51
  Speaker 5: Huh? How's it going today?
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  Speaker 4: It's going fantastically tonight. It's nice outside.
• 1:55
  Speaker 5: It's actually nice out?
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  Speaker 4: The wind is blowing, which is probably why. It's a
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  Speaker 4: little weird sounding every once in a while.
• 2:01
  Speaker 5: This isn't bad. It gets worse inside with people sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes you get too many people talking and it becomes
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  Speaker 5: a mess.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit of road traffic.
• 2:09
  Speaker 5: Traffic. I'm used to that. I've had a lot of
• 2:11
  Speaker 5: that lately.
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  Speaker 4: People who can't walk properly.
• 2:15
  Speaker 5: Pick up your feet, kid.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Kids today. We'll get back to that later. So.
• 2:20
  Speaker 4: I watched a movie. Should we start with that? Because
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you've watched it too. And I have
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: no idea what happened in it.
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  Speaker 5: I have been wanting to discuss this movie. So what
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  Speaker 5: did you watch?
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  Speaker 4: I watched A Cure for Wellness. Me and the Boyfriend.
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: Sat down last night and watched A Cure for Wellness.
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  Speaker 4: I'm honestly still not sure what the fuck I watched.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I physically know what I watched. I sat there.
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  Speaker 4: It played on the screen and it went into my eyes.
• 2:46
  Speaker 4: But I'm still not sure I fully comprehend.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I watched it and I was like, again, I'd
• 2:51
  Speaker 5: just seen the trailer. I think we watched the trailer
• 2:53
  Speaker 5: at your house like a long damn time ago.
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  Speaker 4: Because I saw the trailer and I'm like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 4: you have to watch this. And I made you watch
• 2:58
  Speaker 4: it at least once, possibly twice.
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  Speaker 5: And so I kind of knew that going in. It's
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  Speaker 5: Gore Verbinski. Gore Verbinski. Which again, visually is always kind
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  Speaker 5: of amazing and has done some pretty interesting movies over
• 3:14
  Speaker 5: the years. So it's like that was kind of a plus.
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  Speaker 5: And I got midway in and I'm like, nope, it's
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  Speaker 5: totally delivering on these visuals. Like it looks amazing. I
• 3:23
  Speaker 5: have to say, by the end, I was so pleased
• 3:25
  Speaker 5: with that movie because it is insanity.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many different things going on in there.
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  Speaker 5: By the big finale, it was so old school classic,
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  Speaker 5: like complete insane horror movie.
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  Speaker 4: There were so many different kinds of horror movie in there.
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  Speaker 5: Saturday matinee horror going on. It was, oh, the cheesy
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  Speaker 5: horror fun that was going on at the very end there.
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  Speaker 5: I was just like, nope, I'm all... As much as
• 3:51
  Speaker 5: I kind of had midway in, I'm like, because halfway through,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is just kind of like Shutter Island
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  Speaker 5: with a little more of a weird horror-esque twist, but
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  Speaker 5: kind of like it's a little, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 5: had another extra weird level going on too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it wasn't just like one kind of horror movie.
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  Speaker 4: It was like five different kind of horror movies. It
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  Speaker 4: was like you had five different genres of horror.
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  Speaker 5: But it disguises itself because at that halfway point, you're still,
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  Speaker 5: to me, it felt like just sort of a similar
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  Speaker 5: again no offense but it's just kind of shutter island
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  Speaker 5: ish midway in and then like it finally gets to
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  Speaker 5: a couple of the reveals and i'm like wait what
• 4:34
  Speaker 5: wait what holy yeah oh my god it is amazing
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  Speaker 5: and then it.
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  Speaker 4: Seems like they kind of try to lead you in
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  Speaker 4: different directions a couple times because they're the very beginning
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  Speaker 4: spoiler it's with his mom And she hands him the ballerina.
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  Speaker 4: And she's dreaming. So they make this whole illusion that
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  Speaker 4: it's somebody. Maybe it's going to be somebody. The plot.
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  Speaker 5: Once again, of many movies of that type and around
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  Speaker 5: the last 10, 12 years, it's like that's the move.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm kind of like, well.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I kept looking for the entire time. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, did he die? Is he in a coma?
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  Speaker 4: Is he sleeping? What's going on?
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  Speaker 5: That's where we're going to end up eventually. But I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: all right, I'm going for the ride. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: And then they have the funeral. I'm like, who died?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't spell that part out real. Who died?
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  Speaker 4: Because he's already left. He already said bye to his mom.
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  Speaker 4: He left.
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  Speaker 5: But later, the mom's dead.
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  Speaker 3: Is she?
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  Speaker 5: So, I thought that's what... I thought that's what he
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  Speaker 5: says at one point when he brings out the ballerina
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  Speaker 5: or something. Because, again, they never make that clear until later.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, so I guess that... I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even remember him saying his mom... I just
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  Speaker 4: know he said that it was his mom. His mom
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  Speaker 4: made it or whatever. But I don't remember them like.
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  Speaker 5: I thought at one point, that's how he phrased it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It was very unclear in a way
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  Speaker 4: that is not like a good plot point.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I loved it.
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  Speaker 5: Like, by the end, I had so much fun with
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  Speaker 5: how ridiculous it was. I'm not pretending like it was
• 5:54
  Speaker 5: not ridiculous. Like, the end is, like, dialed to 11 ridiculous.
• 5:58
  Speaker 4: It's batshit crazy ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: It is, which is a good thing in this case.
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  Speaker 4: But, yeah, there's just so much going on that afterwards
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  Speaker 4: is one of those Google cure for wellness explanation. What
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  Speaker 4: the fuck did I just watch?
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  Speaker 5: Mostly I was just Googling that girl because I was
• 6:14
  Speaker 5: just like, I can't decide. can't decide how old she is.
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  Speaker 5: Me too. I can't decide if I think she's really
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  Speaker 5: weird looking because she kind of is.
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  Speaker 4: She's very weird looking.
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  Speaker 5: But then they like by the end she's a lot
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  Speaker 5: going on there. So I'm just kind of like okay
• 6:28
  Speaker 5: well now she's our sort of big hot sexy lead.
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  Speaker 5: But not really. I don't know what's going on. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm just like I had to find out who she was.
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  Speaker 5: And then when I found out who she was I
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: was like oh that's even weirder. Because now I question
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  Speaker 5: her personal judgment. I don't remember her name but you
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  Speaker 5: know who she's with?
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  Speaker 4: Her name is Mia Gaw.
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Which, again, that's not a real name. Tell me she
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  Speaker 5: didn't make that up.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: Come on, now.
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  Speaker 4: All right, who's she with?
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  Speaker 5: She is, I don't know if they're married married, but again,
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  Speaker 5: he has his own little world. So maybe like in
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  Speaker 5: his world, they're married. Shia LaBeouf. Crazy town, Shia LaBeouf.
• 7:04
  Speaker 4: These buckets of nuts are not in a fun, interesting way.
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  Speaker 5: So think about hanging out with them all day long.
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  Speaker 4: I would rather not.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. So now I question her on
• 7:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of levels. Number one, she is legal. which
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  Speaker 5: was surprising.
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  Speaker 4: She's 23.
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  Speaker 5: I know, but she does not look it. She doesn't
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  Speaker 5: quite pull off the age they have her at, but
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  Speaker 5: they definitely go there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't figure out what age for sure they
• 7:22
  Speaker 4: were going for, because I'm like, in the movie, she
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: looks like she's going for maybe 16, 17.
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  Speaker 5: But they also like she, well, there's a loophole as
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  Speaker 5: to why, because again, she hasn't hit womanhood yet as
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  Speaker 5: the story unfolds. But I'm like, well, okay, there's a
• 7:37
  Speaker 5: big weird loophole there that I guess we can't really
• 7:40
  Speaker 5: pin that down. So other than that, yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I guess they were supposed to be going for 16
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  Speaker 5: or something like that. But again, nobody had any problem
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  Speaker 5: with dude hanging out with her. And he didn't need
• 7:51
  Speaker 5: like 25 or 30 or something like he's got to
• 7:54
  Speaker 5: be in his mid 20s. And everybody was like, ah, cool.
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  Speaker 5: You guys hang out. Yeah, I follow that. I don't
• 8:00
  Speaker 5: know that that seemed weird. But again, it's a small town.
• 8:03
  Speaker 5: Old timey rules. You know, I guess that's cool. I
• 8:05
  Speaker 5: don't know. That finale is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Which part of the finale? Because there's a lot.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's like Dr. Five's Phantom of the Opera.
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: I'm like, is he a lizard person?
• 8:16
  Speaker 5: It's operatic insanity by the end. I mean, it is
• 8:19
  Speaker 5: that level of, holy shit.
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: It is not at all what I really expected going
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  Speaker 4: into it. I'm not really sure what I expected.
• 8:27
  Speaker 5: Me either. And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: And that wasn't it. It didn't even look like a
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  Speaker 4: burn victim. He was like.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I'm like, I think it was more of
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  Speaker 5: that end of it. But then there's also like the... Again,
• 8:36
  Speaker 5: I guess spoilers were.
• 8:38
  Speaker 4: I said spoiler alert like five minutes ago. We are
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  Speaker 4: spoiling the shit out of this.
• 8:44
  Speaker 5: I don't want to totally spoil it. I'm just like
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  Speaker 5: it gets into weird, weird areas that I'm like.
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: Uncomfortably weird.
• 8:50
  Speaker 5: But it's not what you expected. Because that's the thing.
• 8:53
  Speaker 5: Still at that halfway point. Still at like kind of
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  Speaker 5: unfolding like Shutter Island. I'm just like, if that's all
• 8:58
  Speaker 5: it is, I'm going to be let down. I'm like, yes,
• 9:00
  Speaker 5: the visuals are cool. But if it's just a boring...
• 9:03
  Speaker 5: Little town and they're like putting something in the water
• 9:06
  Speaker 5: and then blah, blah, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I spent the entire movie going, oh, it's in the water.
• 9:11
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's in the water. I probably almost sent you
• 9:13
  Speaker 5: that message. But again, you hadn't seen it at that point.
• 9:15
  Speaker 5: So you'd be like, what the hell? Why are you
• 9:17
  Speaker 5: telling me that now?
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many times I said, boyfriend, boyfriend. Oh,
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: it's in the water.
• 9:22
  Speaker 5: Does anybody get that?
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: No.
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: No.
• 9:25
  Speaker 5: Hashtag cabin fever.
• 9:27
  Speaker 4: So hashtag uh green tree 10 was the greatest hashtag
• 9:31
  Speaker 4: that theater we saw it in green tree whatever the
• 9:34
  Speaker 4: uh dollar theater.
• 9:35
  Speaker 5: That was the four they couldn't afford 10 should we
• 9:37
  Speaker 5: give them.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: A brief recap of what what's in the water go
• 9:40
  Speaker 4: to town went to the dollar theater which is always
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: an adventure in clarksville mind.
• 9:45
  Speaker 5: You such an adventure it's not there anymore.
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah to see cabin fever and.
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: Uh Easily halfway in. Maybe longer.
• 9:54
  Speaker 4: It was longer than that. It was at least two-thirds,
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  Speaker 4: if not longer.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, for those of us who've seen movies before,
• 9:59
  Speaker 5: it's like, what, 15 minutes in? You're like, oh, it's
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: in the water.
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: So we're sitting there in the theater, which, dollar theater,
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to lie, it's a little bit ghetto.
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: And it's one of those certain kind of crowds where you, it's,
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: was that a walk? Oh, he got a walk. You
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: know what I mean?
• 10:15
  Speaker 5: That was Friday the 13th.
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 10:17
  Speaker 5: But there's some talking going on. Let's put it that way.
• 10:20
  Speaker 4: It is the dollar theater. It's like watching a movie
• 10:22
  Speaker 4: with Jay's mom.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 10:23
  Speaker 5: Who I now found out through you guys that's the experience.
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like we're sitting there. So like a
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: good two-thirds of the way into Cabin Fever. Oh, it's
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: in the water. Not even like a, oh. It's like,
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: oh my God, the world done been changed.
• 10:39
  Speaker 5: She exclaimed. And like, yeah, we all know like 45
• 10:43
  Speaker 5: minutes ago. What is the fact?
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: I thought it was at the end when they actually
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: show the water. Maybe so. When they physically show the
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: dead body.
• 10:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's in the water. Maybe.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, we've been quoting it's in the water for
• 10:57
  Speaker 5: so many years now.
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's in the water. Okay, back to the movie.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: But by the way, Cure for Wellness, it is in
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: the water.
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, kind of.
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: Sort of. Maybe not.
• 11:06
  Speaker 5: Dialed to 11. Because what you think is in the water,
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: it's not that. but then it's something else, but then
• 11:12
  Speaker 5: it's another something else and nine other something else's that
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: you're like, what the fuck? By the way, awesome. That's
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: my take on it. What the fuck and awesome.
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was so much going on that I was,
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: like I said, I literally had to look up an
• 11:24
  Speaker 4: explanation to make sure I didn't miss something.
• 11:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, by the end, I kind of got it all,
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: but I was just like, I can't believe a studio
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: gave them money to make this.
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: It was so insane.
• 11:37
  Speaker 5: Like, I cannot believe somebody financed that insanity. And I'm like,
• 11:40
  Speaker 5: why can I not get two bucks out of people?
• 11:42
  Speaker 5: But they gave you millions to make this insane work
• 11:46
  Speaker 5: of art.
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: Because you don't have any eels.
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: I guess not. If you had eels. It's all about
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: the eels, yeah.
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: Apparently, because they're in the water.
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: Damn, Skippy.
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: Is that all? Have we rounded out the movie? I mean,
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: not enough. I could come back and do a whole
• 11:58
  Speaker 5: episode there somewhere down the line. But for now, that's
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: a minor taste.
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: I was super excited because I had, like, As soon
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: as they show the Pembroke, I'm like, I know that guy.
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: As soon as I heard his voice, I'm like, I
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: know that guy. Where do I know this guy? When
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: they have the beginning where he's reading the letter and
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: you hear the voiceover of the Pembroke, the guy who
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: he is sent to retrieve from the sanitarium. And they
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: show him and I'm like, I fucking know this guy.
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: Why do I fucking know this guy? And he sounds
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: so familiar. Why do I know this guy? And I
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: had to look him up. And I'm like, boyfriend, you
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: know who that is. He's like, who is it? I'm like,
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: the fucking mayor. He's like, of Townsville? I'm like, no,
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: it's the fucking mayor. He's like, from The Walking Dead?
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, it's the fucking governor. It's the mayor.
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: And he had to go through like five or six
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: different shows. He's like, I don't know who you're talking about.
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, to put Jesus on a pogo stick, so
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: I had to find a picture of the mayor and
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: douche goo.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: That's, yeah.
• 12:57
  Speaker 5: It's been a long time.
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: And he had facial hair, and boyfriend was just like, oh, yeah.
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, it's the mayor. Who else do I
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: only refer to as anybody else I ever refer to.
• 13:07
  Speaker 5: As the mayor? As you said it that first time, though,
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: I finished that sentence with, of Townsville? So, I mean,
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: think how exciting it would have been had it been
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: the mayor of Townsville.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: It was not the mayor of Townsville.
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: Number one, the voice would be great. And then if
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: there was just an animated guy running around, I mean,
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: could it be any more insane if an animated mayor
• 13:25
  Speaker 5: of Townsville was also in that movie? Probably not.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: But anyways, if anybody has no idea what the fuck
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about, it was the mayor from Buffy.
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: I can't say one of the better seasons. They're all good.
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: That was the Faith season.
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: Can't go wrong with Faith.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: You really, truly can't. But yeah, I heard his voice.
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I know this voice. I've heard him listen.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: I've watched that show so many times. And the way
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: he would talk to Faith. And I'm like, I can
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: hear it. I know it's there.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: Couldn't tell you his name to save my life. It's
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: Harry something, I guess. But it's like. He's done so
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: much shit that I was unaware of.
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: Wasn't he on Dear Joan?
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't watch that shit.
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure. Because he's always like a super boring
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: guy in every other role. And then like he got
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: there and was like, wait, how did he get to
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: be the big bad this season? It's an odd choice.
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: That was a good season though. Season two is still
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: my favorite Buffy.
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: Season two is pretty badass. Season four is pretty fun.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: Which one's season four?
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: Isn't that Glory? I like Glory.
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: I thought that was five.
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: Maybe it is five. When does Dawn show up?
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: Five?
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I like that season.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: I think I could be totally making shit up at
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: this point.
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: I like The Glory. Again, I haven't rewatched it maybe
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: since the first time I saw it, but I remember
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: really having fun with The Glory season. Anyway, so earlier
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: today you got a live show.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I did. It was such entertainment.
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: And who was the star of this show?
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: Matthew Lillard. I love that guy. I don't know what
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: his deal is. He is just so damn nice. I mean,
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: I didn't come into contact. I did not interact with
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: him whatsoever. I just sat back at a distance while
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: you talked to Starsky or whatever.
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: Which we're about to get to.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: But I just sat there at a distance. And I'm
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: just like, I don't know how long this interview is
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: going to take. I don't want to wander off. I
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: don't want to have to find you again. It's a
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: big hassle and all that. So I'm like, I'll just
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: sit here. And I'm like, you know what? Their tables
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: are right next to each other. He has Starsky right
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: next to Matthew Lillard.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: It seems like a dangerous combination.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'll just enjoy the show.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Although I would watch Starsky and Lillard if they were
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: driving around in a cool car.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I'd watch that.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I probably would.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: Just for title alone.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Just for shits and giggles, I would totally watch that. Yeah,
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: he is, without a doubt, the most friendly, outgoing, people-y
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: person I have ever seen. Kids, he is all about
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: some kids. He's all about making their damn day. High
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: fives and hugs for days.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: Well, now this was... Yesterday, as we were hanging out
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: at the food court, which I'm still upset that we
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: didn't eat our lunch with Flash, because Flash Gordon was
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: there while we were there.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: You didn't say it right, so I thought you were
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: going to say Flash.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, please do that every time I say Flash. So
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: that Flash was in the food court. I believe he
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: got some Jade Garden, in case you were wondering. So
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: I was a little upset that we didn't get to
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: hang out with him and eat our lunch. But that aside,
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: the lady in front of me, I think it was
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: the two ladies behind me. And they were talking about
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: whatever they'd just done. And the one lady, I'm pretty
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: sure she actually just thought the dude's name was Shaggy.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: She was like, Shaggy was so nice. And the other lady,
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: she's like, Matthew Lillard? She was like, yeah. She probably
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: couldn't have come up with it to save her life.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: But she obviously just stood there with him. Probably had
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: him sign stuff. Probably had our kids there. She was
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: all in on this dude, but still. pretty sure she
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: thought his name was shaggy it is which i was
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: i mean as someone who calls people by their character
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: names all the time but i do it just to
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: be a jackass half the time because i think it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: funny but no i'm pretty sure she just did not
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: know his real name he was shaggy in her mind
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: but yeah it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Was it was he's like on the floor with these
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: people i'm like dude you're gonna like strain your back
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: or something like getting up and down so much but
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: yeah it was i guess i said how long were
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: you how long was the interview I don't know. However
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: long the interview was, I just sat there and watched
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: him the entire time. And he was just a ball
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: of awesome. Just a big old bundle of just the
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: nicest person. Usually if they're too nice, I'm like, dude,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I don't trust you. You're kind of weird. But he
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: seems like legit, you know?
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Now here's the real question. He's very excited. He's very
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: personable with the people. Is he Ethan Embry level?
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go that far.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: It's just a different mode. He's not quite as animated,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: but he's still equally as excited.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's hard to tell because Ethan Ember
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: seemed like legit excited about everything.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: He was kind of like bouncing up and down excited.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Where Matthew Lillard was like, he was going to leave
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: his table most of the time. He was going to
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: get out there in the people, but he still wasn't
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: quite vibrating like Ethan Ember.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, he was so... I love Ethan Ember. I am serious.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I want to hug him.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: He was special. This was from a past encounter, but Still,
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: he's got to be like the new level. We've got
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: to put a cap on this thing. And it's probably
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Ethan Embry. I'll be surprised if we find somebody that
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: tops that level of, oh my God, I'm out of
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: the house. And I'm talking to people.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I love people.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: I'm talking to people who know who I am.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: But yeah, seriously, he was like all these kids level.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: He was like super excited. High fives. Anybody who happened
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: to walk by this table, like if they were in costume, like, dude,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you're fucking killing it. You're awesome. I just want to
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: let you know you're awesome.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I said that one of the times. He was like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: I think he still had people in his line, but
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: he liked the people walking by. I think they were
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: like a whole Marvel group because I think there was
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: a chick that was Captain America or something. They had
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: like three of them from the Avengers lineup. And like
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: he liked their outfit. So he came out from behind
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: his table. Again, I think there were still a couple
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: of people in line. He just like wandered off and
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: started talking to them for like a good, at least
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: five minutes, maybe longer.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: The entire time that I was watching him, he was
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: never behind his table.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds about right.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: He was constantly in front of his table, like, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: just like constant interaction. Like, oh my, like everybody he
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: met was his best friend. Like they all went way back.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: One of my favorite parts was yesterday. Once again, at
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: the food court, I was like, you know, we saw
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: a lot of girls, a lot of, Usually at these,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: you'll see hot girls in their hot girl outfits. And then, but,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: you know, this one we've got crossover with mall traffic.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, check out that girl. She's rocking
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: her skin tight cat girl pants or whatever. I was like, oh, no,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: she just works at the body shop.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: She was just in the food court on lunch.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Good times.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Hot mall girls. What are you going to do?
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: That kid next to me was like double fisting cookies
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: and I was like, dude, I need to get one
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: of them cookies because the food court has a Subway
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: and I don't give a shit. Subway has the best
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: cookies that have ever existed.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: They're all right.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: No, they are the best.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to go that far.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: They're all right.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: They're the best. Anyway, so I'm sitting there and I
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: look over Because the food court's fairly packed, so it's
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: like you got all these people sitting next to us,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: and there's just a good kid. I look over, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: he has three cookies spread out like you're playing cards.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: He does have a hand of cookies.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: And he has eaten them all. Like, not like... Like,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: a cookie. He's eating all three.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: A bite out of each.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: No, he had two at once at some point, and
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I went for the middle of the cards.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: He's eating them like a cob of corn.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, I need a cookie. So I had
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: to wait in line.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: I believe you said, now you know it's going to
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: be me in a minute.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I did, too.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: And then you went and got one.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I only got one, though. I didn't get three.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: You should have gotten three, and you should have done
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: it just like him. I thought about it. Do me
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: a cookie, and let's do this.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Yes, cookies.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Do you know that a glass of milk and three
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: oatmeal cookies provide from 20 to 25% of the protein
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you need every day? So it's a good idea to
• 21:00
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• 21:04
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• 21:08
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• 21:11
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• 21:14
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• 21:15
  Speaker 7: And oatmeal cookies are easy to make, too, with a
• 21:17
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• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's right on your package of quick or old-fashioned Quaker Oats.
• 21:23
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• 22:40
  Speaker 4: My name's Serena Vincent, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Tuesday.
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: I don't know the difference between right and wrong right now.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: You're not going to teach me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: The mob bait Starsky's little brother into big time trouble.
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: When do I get paid?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: COD, when you bring it back.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: A lot of traps being set.
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: They're coming after you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: You hear what I'm saying?
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: To nail Starsky and Hutch.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Tuesday.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: So speaking of you hanging out at the Lillard Show,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go to my alternate reality, where I
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: was just a few feet away from you, talking with
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: this week's guest, Paul Michael Glazer.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: And while you're listening to that, picture Matthew Lillard.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Being a spaz a few feet away.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: He's adorable, dude, I swear.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I usually try to start early on and see sort
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: of what everybody's inspiration was. Were you interested in the arts, like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: as a kid? Oh, yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I was raised in a family of creative people.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: And then, like, in school, did you start doing, like, plays?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Or how early did it start?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I did plays. I did art, writing. I did it all.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: And then as you got into it as far as, like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: by the time you get to college and start studying,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: you did a good amount of training once you got there.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I've kind of talked to people over the years about
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: which they prefer, if it's investing years into studying and
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: learning or just kind of throwing themselves into it, because
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: we've seen kind of successes come from both sides.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I think that one of the things we all have
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: in common is that in the course of our life,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: we can maybe identify two or three teachers who really
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: taught us about learning and the enjoyment of learning. And
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: the problem with that is that we do separate that out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: We go, well, this is my work and this is
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: my fun. And the truth of the matter is that
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: when you can look at anything you do as having
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the ability to teach you something, teach you about yourself,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: teach you about life, When you encounter life as a
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: learning experience, it changes the way you look at everything.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: And for me, that was something that took me a
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: long time to learn.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: So did you specifically start trying to get into film?
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Because you'd done tons of plays at that point, but
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: were you specifically gearing towards film or television, or was
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: it just sort of something that happened?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Life is something that happens.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Certainly.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: We ask people who have had an emoticum of success
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: on what they've done, we ask them, well, how did
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you do this? What was your plan? What was your goal?
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Did you have a goal? How did you do it?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: And the fact of the matter is, is each one
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: of us has an individual journey, and the journey is
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: about discovering how you're doing it while you're doing it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So I say all that because... Again, it's about the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: attitude in which we do things and how we relate
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to the things we're doing. We suffer, humanity suffers from
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: this huge notion that we have a capability to control
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: our destiny. The only control we really have is how
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: we react to life. as we experience it. You know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: if something scares us or pisses us off, do we
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: relate to it as something we need to bury or
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: act out or lash out against, or do we sit
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: with it and find a way to honor our courage
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: for carrying on in the face of our inability to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: have any control over our mortality, which is our bottom
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: line fear in this life. Thank you.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: As you get into Fiddler on the Roof, as time's
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: gone on, it's kind of a massive film. But even
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: at the time, you were adapting one of the biggest
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Broadway plays ever. So was there sort of stress on
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: the set as to how do we live up to
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: the success of the Broadway.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Version of it? I don't think so. I think you
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: always want to do the best job you can do.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I was hired as an actor. So I went over
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: there and I was just trying to do the best
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: job I could do. And everybody else doing whatever job
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: they did in the making of that film was, I believe,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: doing the same. There was no more stress than there
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: usually is in any film set, which when you're going
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: zero to 60 15, 20 times a day, there's always
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: going to be stress.
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Well, then working with Norman Jewison here at at that point,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: is in the run of some of his biggest films.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: What was he like as a director?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: No, he was terrific. He was a very sweet man.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: He is a very sweet man. And he, you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: he really had a passion for the movie and for
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the play and the stories. I mean, that's what he,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I think he captured a fair amount of that. Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And then going ahead to Butterflies Are Free, like, again,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: you're working with a legendary, you know, director there and
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: kind of, His first venture into film, as someone who
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: trained so much in acting, was that, again, a different approach?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: You mean Milton Gonzalez?
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Gonzalez.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Milton was, it was his first film. He didn't know
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: too much about it. Milton was a very interesting man.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: He was a bit of an artist, a good storyteller.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Did he approach the actors differently than normal film directors?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Everybody approaches the actors differently. Some film directors have no
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: clue how to approach actors, and others are very good
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Well, then I guess around that time you start getting
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: into the TV series, I'm assuming couldn't have any... I mean,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: it's a network TV series. That's definitely something you want,
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: but you couldn't have ever imagined the way that it
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: was going to hit with people and the recognizability that
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: you guys would now then have from that point on.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I never expected it. I never thought it would become
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: a series. And it did. At that time, there were
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: three networks. Only three. There were no cable. There was
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: not this huge proliferation of series and stories. being told
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: on television. So, um, I don't know. It's a good question.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Which would be most surprising if you were to have
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: a hit show in that world or the world of
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: multi channels where people have so much to choose from?
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: I think now it's so much harder to find that
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: kind of audience. I mean, there's more opportunities now, so
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: it's kind of a balance. It's like you have way more.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Opportunities, but yeah, it's, it's a different time. And, uh,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: It's interesting to me coming to one of these. I
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: don't do this a lot, but I do it a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: few times a year. And it's interesting to me that
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: people aren't as interested in celebrity, other celebrities. What they're
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: interested in is experiencing the sensation of celebrity. So they
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: get dressed up in the costumes of the characters that
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: they like. When they parade around them and get a
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: fair amount or whatever amount of attention for what their
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: costume is. And that, I'm guessing, that makes them feel special.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I think that's a generational thing. That's what I've been noticing.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I think even the Gen X kids grew up and still,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: they'll be the ones in line at these. And they're
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: the ones that were kind of that last wave or
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: still had reverence for celebrity. And all the kids coming
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: up now that I see... I don't see them at
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: the tables. I see them at all the conventions and
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: they love the fandom part of it, but they kind
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: of love the way they're involved in it. Not so
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: much worrying about the people that made it or the
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: people that I think they do kind of like there,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: which in a way I'm like, I guess that's, you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: it's both sides. It's like, in a way they're only
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: self centered like themselves and how they deal with it
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: and whether or not it affects them. But at the
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: same time, it's also them being active. Like instead of
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: just being, you know, sitting around and watching other people's stuff,
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: they are actually going out and getting involved in something,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: even if it's not, like, I don't know. It's both sides.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: I can't decide.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: You don't want to judge it. You don't want to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: say it's good or bad. I mean, I am of
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the opinion that we've all tasted the Kool-Aid in terms
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: of the mythology of Western civilization, which is this whole
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: notion of you are what you do. and your value
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: is based on how much money you can make and
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: what you can own and who you can control and
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: how much power you have and that has kind of
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: backfired because now the world population explosion has been so
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: great people are starting to understand more and more at
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: least at a subconscious level that we're living on a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: host planet planet earth yeah mother earth that has limited
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: resources and a burgeoning population and technology is taking away
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of jobs and people are going well what
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: do i have to do because they're they've been trained
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to believe that they are what they do yeah and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: what they can buy and how much money they have
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: so it's it's creating a lot of fear and a
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: lot of anger and putting people in touch with a
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: lot of helplessness that they get pissed off about, act out,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and invent, you know, and electing the people that they
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: do elect.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Well, as you get into sort of the, you are
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: what you do, is that part of your shift midway in?
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Because you, around the TV show, I guess you started
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: getting into directing. Was that something you'd originally.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: been interested in? There's a lot of reasons why I,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: in retrospect, when I was doing it, I wanted to
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: do it because, you know, theater is the actor's medium.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Television is the producer's medium because it's basically used to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: sell soap. It's not larger than life. The close-up on
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: a TV screen is the same size as your head
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: or my head. Films used to be And it's still
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to some extent a director's medium. And so theater is
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the actor's medium. So in theater, curtain goes up, it's
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: you and the audience. You have a one-on-one relationship or
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: one on how large that audience is. And it's something
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: that happens immediately right there. In film, I discovered when
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I was doing Starsky and Hutch, I discovered that, or
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I had discovered and was in the process of discovering
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that there weren't a lot of creative avenues. You know,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: you come to work as an actor, you go zero
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: to 60 a dozen times a day and like that,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: and then the rest of the time you're sitting around
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: watching paint dry. And that is.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: And there's no removal because the camera, you know, the
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: camera looks at you and it sees only one thing
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and that is what it is.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: It's not like you can create an illusion in front
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: of the camera and this is, you know, I'm really,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm, you know, I'm something else. So you
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: have to, if you want to be successful in front
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: of the camera, you really have to tell the truth.
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: And be real. And, but that's it. When you're directing film,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: you get to
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: So there's many, many, many avenues to express yourself
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: creatively as a director. So that's what attracted me.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: It definitely keeps you busier. There's not the downtime that
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: you have for acting. It's constantly fixing the next problem
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: more than anything. But as you approach the ones, what
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: led you to Band of the Hand? That was right
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: in the middle of the 80s. So it's got the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: cast of the cool kids and kind of got the
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: action scenes.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: What I was dealing with at the time was I
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: was trying to go from actor to director. And our
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: business and our society tends to pigeonhole people. And nobody
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: in the business wanted to let me become a director.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: So it took me 10 years. to realize that career
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and while that was going on I had directed four
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: hours for Michael Mann of Miami Vice and Michael came
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to me and he had a feature he was producing
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: he asked if I wanted to direct it yeah I
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: was looking to break into features so I jumped at
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: the chance got my feet wet and the rest of
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: me soaked and I learned a lot and like that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Well then I guess as you as you got That
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: first movie, Under Your Belts, is that kind of what
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: led you to them being okay with doing The Running Man?
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Because that's certainly a much bigger budget and bringing in
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: pretty huge names as far as your cast.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I had directed a bunch of Starsky and Hutch's,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and then between Starsky and Hutch and doing my first feature,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I directed a few other things on television. And in
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: the course of time, I'd met a fair amount of people,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: and the person who was producing Running Man... approached me
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: and asked me if I was interested. And I learned
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: so much doing my first feature that I basically, I
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: said to them, I asked them, I said, how much
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: time do you have to prepare this movie? And they said,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: two and a half months. And I said, that's not
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: enough time. And I walked away from it. And then
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: two weeks into filming, they got rid of their director
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: because he was behind. And they came back to me.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: And the joke I tell on myself is that they,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I said, okay, how long will you shut the production
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: down for? And they said, the weekend.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: That makes it so much better.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: So I said, okay, and I just jumped into it,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and it was a pretty interesting ride.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it steers a little away from the Stephen
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: King novel. Was that something that you were like, concerned
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: about or just wanted to make your own version of it?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I was aware of it. There were a lot
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: of projects floating around. Not a lot, but there were
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: a few projects floating around that were dealing with the
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: same subject. I thought that was interesting.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: And then I guess that was sort of the height
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: of Schwarzenegger at that era. What was it like directing him?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It was okay.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: He's his own character. He definitely.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's fair.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I think it also kind of changes that movie. I
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: would have liked to have seen what you would have
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: done had it... Because it was originally Christopher Reeve, I think. Now,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: I would have liked to have seen The Running Man
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: starring someone other than Arnold because I feel like it
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: became an Arnold movie.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Well, in truth, you know, when we finished the movie
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: and we... edited it put it together and showed it
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: to the studio it was really Richard Dawson's movie yeah
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: he was the best thing in it oh yeah he's
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: amazing and they said this can't be because you know
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: it stars Arnold Schwarzenegger so they had to recut it
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: so that it we had to recut it so that
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: we had a fair balance of screen time and like
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: that but uh you know For every director, there's always
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: this compromise that goes on between what is perceived by
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: the people with the money as commercially necessary and the
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: human experience of the story, which the director wants to
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: capture as completely and as realistically as possible. Well, Running Man,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: to begin with, because it was science fiction, it could
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: either become terribly real like 2001 or it could be
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a cartoon. So, you know, it basically, you know, was,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: you know, a bit of a cartoon, although the stories
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and the people involved were very human, very real.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: It's such a great concept, yes, and is sort of
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: a weird, grim look at the future that I still
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: think there's such just great bones to that story that
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: you still, yeah, you still deliver it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Well, we're living it, aren't we?
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of. I don't think, I mean, at that time,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: I don't think we could have even had a glimpse
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: at the reality television internet world that we live in
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: now because it is, yeah, it's not too far away
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: from where we actually exist now.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: No, I think in a lot of ways that's exactly
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: where we are and, you know, there were, so those
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: who looked in that direction, in that manner, it was
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: a very real possibility. Yeah. That's when that side of
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: bringing a level of reality to telling a story like
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: that becomes so important because for the director because you're
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: you become aware that there's a human story to tell
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: here and not just a uh you know a cartoon.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah well i mean working from both sides of the
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: camera and just having history in the industry what do
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: you think about all these big that stuff aside just
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: industry-based like the fact that now everything can be shot
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: digitally changes the game the fact that now there are
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: all these new streaming services changes that i don't know
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: what how'd How do you approach it now, or at
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: least look at it, having dealt with the system the
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: way it used to be?
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I think, first of all, if you look at
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: why we tell stories in society, we tell stories to
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: pass our information on from generation to generation. The ways
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: in which we tell the stories and the languages or
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: images that we use to tell the stories change. Now
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: it's a visual shorthand. You don't need as much as
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: many words in some respects. If you want to get
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: into the grayer areas of life and talk about some
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: of the things that aren't black and white, words help.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Then you look at the history of writing. In our society, unfortunately,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: storytelling has succumbed to the lack of writing. You don't
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: get well-written pieces anymore. People don't read books anymore. Or
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: they read books, but far less people read books. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: we've really robbed ourselves of a future because our culture
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: right now has a very poor education. And when you
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: take away education and you take away the journey of
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: writing or the ability to write and read, then you're
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: taking away from people the ability to ask questions. Therefore,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you're taking away their ability to think for themselves and
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: know when they address any kind of a situation in
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: their life that there are choices. That one doesn't have
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to just lash out in anger or kill oneself or whatever.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: There are choices. There are ways that we can make differences.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: And the problem we all face is that We have
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: this abiding fear that we are helpless. And the truth
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: of the matter is, is that in the face of
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: our mortality, we're helpless. But we're not helpless when it
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: comes to choosing how we're going to react to that fear.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people deny that that fear exists.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: But if you ask a person in a traffic jam
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: who's late for an appointment what they're scared about, they'll say,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not scared. I'm angry. I'm anxious. I'm depressed. I'm worried. I'm... Right?
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: But the bottom line is they're dealing with a much
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: less degree of fear of helplessness, but they are helpless
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: because they're surrounded by cars and they can't move. Well,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: we experience that helplessness in our lives day to day,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: moment to moment, many, many, many, many more times than
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: we want to know or imagine. And so, and we
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: suppress that recognition that it's helplessness we're dealing with and
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: we have physical ailments and we have depression and we
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: have all these things that we experience because that is
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: going on inside us whether we're aware of it or not.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: And all of what I'm talking about, education becomes really,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: really important and reading becomes important. And today, the writing
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: tradition has gotten so vitiated and so watered down and
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: people's ability to read or people's ability to listen and think.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: People say things like, well, all I really want when
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I go to the movies is to be distracted or
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: to be entertained. I want to be entertained. Life is
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: tough enough. But that's not why you really go to
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the movies. The really why you go to the movies
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: is because you want to experience in a larger-than-life format
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: another human being going through the trials and tribulations that
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: you know only too well in your own life and
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: seeing them overcome their fear seeing them victorious, and experiencing
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: that and reaffirming that it is possible to do that.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: That's the purpose of storytelling. You can make it as
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: entertaining as you want. You can make it as funny
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: as you want. You can make it as sad as
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: you want. And the bottom line is you're trying to
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: let the audience leave, not just with having eaten a
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: ton of Chinese food, which they'll be hungry again two
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: hours from now. but also with some kind of an
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: uplifting reassurance that their life can be better and that
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: it's all okay.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Is that why you started writing? I usually let people
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: tell me what they're working on as far as film projects,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: but did you want to tell people about the book?
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I started writing because once I was directing, my
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: directing career got interrupted a lot by my family's journey
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: with the World of AIDS. And I had to take
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: jobs that I didn't necessarily want to do, but I
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: had to keep busy. My dream was to be an auteur,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: to be a director and a writer, directing my own things.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: And so after I did Kazam, I said, that's it.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I was tired of all the politics and the BS
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: of the studios. And I decided I was going to write.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: And so I wrote a screenplay. And at the time,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: they did not have the technology to animate the properties
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: of light. So I decided to write it as a book.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: And that's Crystallia and the Source of Light. And when
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I started working on a book, I was keenly aware
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: that I was trying to share with people what I
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: had learned in my journey. because I was very, very fortunate.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I had some wonderful teachers, one in particular, and I
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: learned so much about loss and helplessness and how to
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: deal with that and how to acknowledge it. And so
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I ended up writing this book, which took about 10 years,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: 12 years. And it's like an Alice in Wonderland, because
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I created it like an Alice in Wonderland, something that
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: was very, very entertaining and very enjoyable to immerse oneself in.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: And at the heart of the book, it has a
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: lot of lessons, without saying them as boring lessons, that
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I learned. And not the least of which is the
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: question that I ask and answer in the book. Not literally,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: you have to think a little bit. And that is,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: what is the purpose of fear in our lives? So
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: that was a very pleasurable experience. And while I was
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: writing it, when I was between drafts, I happened to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: write a second book. And when I was trying to
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: figure out where I wanted to get an illustrator for
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: the second book, my daughter said to me, I should
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: illustrate it. And I thought, okay, I'll try illustrating it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Because I used to love to draw and paint when
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I was a kid. So I started to illustrate it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I was doing a job in England. I was doing
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: a tour of Fiddler in the Roof for eight months.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Started working on these illustrations, sketching them out and everything
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: like that. And then when I got bored, I'd do
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: other things, sketch other things. By the time I came
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: back to the States, I had 1,500 pieces in various
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: degrees of incompletion. But I had also discovered that there
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: was something that I could do for five, six, seven
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: hours a day where I could just experience my creativity,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: enjoy myself, and go away. The bad news, that was
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: good news. The bad news was that I'd found something
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: that I could go away for five, six hours, and
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: that only increased my own tendencies to being a hermit.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So I kind of disappeared from the world. Recently, I'm
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: working on a book called I'm working on, I ended up,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I was cleaning out my storage thing, and I came
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: across a script, and I read it, and I started
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: reading it, and I said, who wrote it? And after
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: about four pages, I realized that I'd written it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: This is mine.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: 20 years ago. So, and I thought, this is pretty good.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: So I gave it to a friend of mine who
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: was looking for material, and he said, yeah, this is great.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: He wanted to do it. So I've done a couple
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: of rewrites, and maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't. In
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the meantime, I read another piece that I'd written, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I went, this, oh, my goodness, what was I thinking
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: by putting these in the drawer? I'm writing great stuff.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: What was I, you know, which is an interesting education
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: in and of itself. And so that's what I'm doing.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm drawing, painting, writing. If a directing thing comes up
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: or if an acting thing, like I played Tevye in
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Fiddler on the Roof in my tour in England, and
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I just loved it. Yeah. Because it was such a
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: great role.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Well, the great roles are few and far between.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: You graduated up to the good role. You started off
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: and now you get the big role now.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: The bottom line is that I'm thrilled that I found
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: painting and writing because I can do it and I
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: don't have to wait for someone to hire me to
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the downfall of filmmaking in general is it
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: takes so many people and then so much okay to
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: get everything done. But yeah, writing a book, you can
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: do whatever you want. Now that the technology is caught up,
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: would you be interested if somebody came and said, let's
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: create a version of this, a film version of this?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually I self-published Custodia because it's a very complicated
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: film to make. It would basically do what James Cameron
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: did in terms of reinventing the illusion that this is
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: a new form of animation. It's what I would call
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: interactive animation. And in order to do that, You know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the most important things in making a movie is the
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: pre-production and the post-production. You know, the preparing of the
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: movie and the polishing of the movie. And those, unfortunately,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: are the areas where the bean counters and all those
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: people that now take over the policies of these corporations,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: those are the areas that they impact the most. And
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: they just, you know, and so I wanted to make
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: sure that I had as much negotiating power as possible
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: if the studio wanted to make it. So I could
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: protect the pre-production and post-production. Well, I self-published, but what
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize was that by the time I finished self-publishing,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't really have the money to put the book
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: out there the way the big publishing companies do. So
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: then I learned that it's not enough.
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: To do something good. You have to find a way
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: to stick it in front of everybody's nose. It's a
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: fight to get things out there now. So I don't
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: know what's going to happen with it. You know, it's
• 52:34
  Speaker 11: got four other titles behind it, so it can become
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: a franchise.
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: That's taken off now, so that could.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: It's an exotic world, but it's in a wonderful world
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: that we know nothing or very little about. If you've
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: ever been to a museum of natural history and seen
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: the way children and adults react to crystals and minerals. Yeah.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: And they just... Our eyes open and they just... And
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: what we don't realize is that any shape, color, form,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: or texture that you possibly make up in your mind, imagine, fantasize,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: already exists on the ground. And that the composition, the
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: minerals and crystals that pose the world beneath our feet
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: is half of the reason we're here. We wouldn't be
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: here without.
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: Them.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: We're made up of all that stuff. There's an awful
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: lot of interesting aspects about this. It would make a
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: really nice movie, but that's in the hands of the gods.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: It's not in my hands.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: As far as the book, you've got them with you
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: when you're touring around, but that aside, is there a website,
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: or what's the best way for people to find this?
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a Christalia.com. It's spelled C-H-R-Y-S-T-A-L-L-I-A dot com. The
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: book is Crystalline, the Source of Light. If they can't
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: remember that, Google Paul Michael Glazer. It'll mention the book.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: It's on Amazon, both as a book and as an audio.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: I spent a year and a half recording it as
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: an audio.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: That's nice, too, yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: And I like that. All right.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: Well, definitely get the word out. Thank you, man.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Good. Thank you. It was a pleasure.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: So yes, thank you to Paul Michael Glazer for sitting
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: down and he had a lot of stories and takes
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: on things and that was, yeah, so I thank you
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: to him and it's all come full circle as I
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: spent years playing with my Matchbox, you know, Starsky and
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Hutch car.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Never saw it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: I didn't really get into that one with him. I
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: didn't relive my memories of like firing it around the
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: floor of a house or down a flight of steps
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: or whatever terrible things I did. Although I took care
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: of my toys. It's much like me now. I'm pretty
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: protective of my toys, so I know you're shocked that
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: I still have that somewhere.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: I still have my Dukes of Hazzard one.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: I have that too.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: General Lee's still rolling around.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: I had all my cars. I took care of most
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: of my toys. Most of them are in a box somewhere.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Can't find them if I had to right now, but.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: If Boyfriend was here, he'd probably tell you about how
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: his son got taken away from him at some point.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: He's a bad kid. He was. So.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I also got to sort of talk to Sonny Chiba.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Briefly.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Very briefly. There wasn't a ton of crossover language, so
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: it was just sort of.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: You didn't really attempt, so it was like.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: I didn't either. I mean, normally I at least try
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: to come up with something dorky if I'm standing there.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, sign this poster. But, you know, when
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: I know I've been told he has got workable English.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: He at least had enough to get through Kill Bill,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: but he did not seem like he was trying to
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: super engage with people, so I was like, let's not
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: push it. Let's not pester him with a bunch of
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: random English words that he's like, I don't know what
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: you're talking about. Especially because my main thing I would
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: have told him I felt like would have gone wrong, too.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: If I say, I named my dog after you, he's
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: going to be like, that's going to translate as an insult.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I know it.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: But yeah, He was awesome in what little we interacted.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: He's very cool.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Cool, cool.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: He could take everybody in the building. Hell yeah, he could.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: We did make a point a little while ago, and
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: it is something I noticed kind of specifically this weekend, too.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: I was noticing as I was walking around, and I'm
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: just kind of bold and lame, but I was watching
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: the cool kids, and the cool kids were hanging out,
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: and they were just kind of like off together. They're
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: almost all in costumes. They're all just kind of hanging
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: out by themselves over on a little stoop, sitting there
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: talking and being cool because they're cool kids. And I
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: was like, all this stuff that I come here for,
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: they could care less about. And vice versa. I'm not
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: here to wear the costumes and go to the costume
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: contest and be part of whatever thing. They all have
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: their own thing that they're doing. And it's funny. I
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: was just thinking that, and Paul brought it up. as
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: well but it's like I think that is a thing
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: with the next wave of kids is like they really
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: are not as hero worshippy as like we have been
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: in previous generations like we're still like super like oh
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: my god you're the best thing ever and we spent
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: our entire childhood sitting on our ass on the couch
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: watching this other person do a thing and like kids
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: now kind of just want to do their own thing
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: and they're not nearly as like they like people Well,
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: I think it's hitting this.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Their things aren't real. They like video games.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: I know. But they're engaged in their version of it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: I think it's just a disconnect. I don't think it's
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: better or worse, really. There's good and bad aspects to both.
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, I think it's just a totally different
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: take on things, this next wave coming up. And when
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: I look at them, I don't understand it. But I'm like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it's the other way. They're probably watching us
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: stand in line to talk to some old person they
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: don't know who they are. And they're like, is wrong
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: with these old losers i'm like it is a weird
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: disconnect in like the the fandom that like we still
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: have the equal amounts of of fervor and just attachment
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: and and just being excited about the stuff but we're
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: going about it in totally different ways i think they've
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: been just bombarded with information and options their whole life
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: so if they want to create their own thing you
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: know it's probably we're one of the few crossover you
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: know the old people that decided to make a show
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: but like Every kid their age probably has their own
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: YouTube channel. Every kid their age.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Your boyfriend's kid has a YouTube channel. That's what I'm saying.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: Like, my nephew has a YouTube channel. Like, every kid
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: is their own star, you know? So, like, they're not
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: going to go wait in line for somebody else because
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: it all registers the same, I think, in some ways.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like that guy did a TV show.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: I've got my own YouTube channel. Like, in a way,
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: I feel like the next couple of generations, assuming we
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: make it that far like it's gonna start to register
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: differently there's.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Just so many things now it's like when we were
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: younger it wasn't as much stuff I mean at all
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: how long was Starsky and Hutch on how long was
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Dukes of Hazzard on.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: And as he said there were three networks back then
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: think about how much stuff is on your TV.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Right now everything is so interchanged everything is so Because
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: it's like, right now, it's like, everything's, what's good right now? It's, well,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: when we were kids, you had attachments to things that
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: were like, I mean, shit, I watched, what I watched,
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: I watched for years.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was part of your life for years.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Whereas now it's like, all right, what's this five minutes about?
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: It's not like, it doesn't have the same attachment to
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: the same degree.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: Or the same thing. Like, we would watch, like, you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: like me watching Starsky's Hutch or Duke's a Hazard or
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: something as a kid. It's like, I would watch it.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: once a week when it was on or even as
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: it went into reruns like still I watched a ton
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: of stuff on reruns but it was like a once
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: a day thing maybe where like now kids will be
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: like okay what's the new thing this this you know
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: there's one of the kids from Stranger Things is in
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: there okay Stranger Things is the thing right now so
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna marathon through this entire thing this weekend and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: the next weekend it's like well what's the new thing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: like there's no attachment to that thing and it doesn't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: become part of your life for a long period of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: time because you have the option to marathon through it
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: right now and then move on to something else and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: like Now there is also so many options that you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: could endlessly watch another TV series or another movie forever
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: and not have to repeat ever. Like I watched the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: same dumb reruns. of Gilligan's Island every day of my
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: life for most of my life. Up to this day now,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: I will watch that.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Well, it's just because Marianne's hot.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. So it's like I watch that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: same stuff over and over and over. I memorized every
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: episode of that, whereas now, kids, there's so many options.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: You don't have to re-watch anything ever. You have enough
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: endless material now to watch something new every day, every week.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: You can just pick something new because there's so many
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: options out there now. So I don't know. I think
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: that is really a thing. I think that is something
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: that's changing and I've seen little bits and pieces and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: we've kind of commented on, you know, differences in kids
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: today kind of thing in the past, but like that,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: just watching them at a convention, because it's not like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: they aren't into conventions.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: And I see younger and younger people coming, but they
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: come and go about it totally different than the rest
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: of the old people that have been coming to conventions.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: So I think it's just a new different world. And like, again,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: it's not better or worse. Like they, Or equally as
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: right to enjoy it the way that they want to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: enjoy it. But it's just they're in a totally different
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: state of mind than the rest of the old people
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: that are there. Myself included. So, I don't know. It's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: just an observation. If anyone else agrees, disagree, feel free
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: to email us and let me know what you think.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: So, I.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: Don't know. That was my take on the... That was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: my newfound revelation this weekend. It's just a whole different world.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: I guess I kind of knew that, but.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: It's a whole new world.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: Just a different... just a different perspective on it this weekend.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: And I'm glad Paul agrees with me.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: To some extent.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: I wonder if he found Matthew Lillard as exciting as
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: I did. Probably not.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody else does. Although he did
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: have a line all weekend.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: He had a line more than anybody else that I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: saw there.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: I guess people are still entertained by Matthew Lillard.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: Alright.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Well otherwise we would like to say thank you to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Fandom Fest for letting us be here and be part
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: of all these crazy shenanigans.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: And shenanigans, there were plenty.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: So, to find out about next year's shenanigans, go to fandomfest.com
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: and see what they've got in the works. Otherwise, that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: about does it. We will return next time, same geek feed.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: Thanks for listening.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today. Kids,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: who can understand anything they say? Kids, they are disobedient,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: disrespectful oafs. Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy loafers. While we're on
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: the subject, kids, you can talk and talk till your
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: face is blue. Kids, but they still do just what
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 9: they want to do. Why can't they be like we were,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 9: perfect in every way? What's the matter with kids today?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: Kids, I've tried to raise you the best I could. Kids,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: all the things I've done were for your own good. Kids,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: can't you once appreciate how I've sacrificed working, slaving, scrimping,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: saving pennies and living with your father?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: Kids, no one.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: Knows the burdens I've had to bear and in my condition. Kids,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: I'm a poor sick woman and does he care?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: Ha! Go on, go on and kill me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: That's what it's coming to when a mother has kids
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: like you.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Ha!
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: Kids!
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: All the chicken soup that I.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Made for you.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: Mama, take it easy.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: Kids! Now you throw me out like a worn-out shoe.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: Not in front of everybody, Mom.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: After all, I have been such an awful son.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: I never sash your.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Back or leave a ring around the bathtub.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: And don't I always phone you? Kids, you can give
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: your life to a night and day.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: Kids, then they go get married and poop all day.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Who's getting married?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: Why do we have these children?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Better to have a pet.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: You know where you stand with the pet.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: I never asked for nothing.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: Nothing is what you'll get.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: What's the matter with kids? I tried, Lou, but I failed.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't, Mama, you didn't.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: Don't try to pay.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: Me back, Sonny.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: I forgive you.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: So what if you're an ingrate?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: So long as you're happy.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be happy.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: Don't feel guilty.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Just make believe I'm an old used car. Junk me.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Leave me in the gutter.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I'll never leave you, never.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: You heard him.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 9: You're a witness.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I promise, Mama.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I never broke promise to my Mama.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: Good boy.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Why can't they be like Albert?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Perfect in every way.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: What's the matter with kids?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what's the matter with kids?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Nothing's the matter with kids today.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Should be broke.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: I didn't do it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I was over here.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: My foot's asleep. But my shoes are awesome.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: You're very special.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: I love these shoes.
• 1:05:25
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