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MHH #1229: Broncos’ Draft Plan Taking Shape After Free Agency Moves · Mile High Huddle Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Mile High Huddle Podcast with your football freeze, Chad Jensen and Zach Kilmer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, Broncos Country is not a geographical location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a state of being.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome in everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the mile high huddle podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host Chad Jensen with me my fellow football priest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You love him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zach Kelberman Zach brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Monday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yesterday was Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were on the air.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're doing our thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why does today feel just a little bit different?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, things are hopping people are talking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You had an article that popped today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you tell me about that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we're getting closer to the draft day by day and fans are getting more excited because it's one of the 10 poll events of the offseason chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The first one being for agency.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we all know by now, Barack was fans weren't treated so much fun in for agency.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's why the discussion is picking up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the article I wrote, it was basically a bleacher report kind of opinion piece.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They suggested the Broncos have a surprising need in the 2026 draft that need being offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They recommended three players, the Broncos could take at various points in the draft, Arizona States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Max.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's on you, John.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to mess it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it could enter, I came and try that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Boston College is Jude Barry and Florida's Austin Barber as potential targets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I've been saying for a while now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really quickly to put a bow on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Sean Pied has.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean has talked up the offensive line repeatedly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said he's used early capital in the past on the position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not that surprising that they would list it bleacher report, but I think it's a good spot light on an area chat that other Broncos fans aren't really talking about still.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to figure out how you pronounce that name either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the awesome Arizona State kid, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-E-H-N-A-C-H-O-R, good luck, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but just kind of like Albert Oakaway, Boonom, and other guys like Boozareke, once they become yours, then it's like, all right, I got a master of the pronunciation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And fortunately, when that time comes, also the team that drafts the player is usually pretty helpful, helping the press to pronounce these names.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, but yeah, dude, I mean, hey, offensive lines act to the point here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's always like George Payton talked about at the combine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to get old at the same time at certain positions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's especially true at offensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He also said you're always looking to add to the offensive and defensive lines.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they could easily go with an offensive tackle or an offensive guard in the second round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It would be imminently on sexy and quite disappointing for a fan base that feels like it only got one transaction or one thing to hang it's had on all off season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a kind of thing that you are glad that they did six months down the road when this player gets hurt, or someone gets cut, or you, what have you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't the pronunciation guy didn't do us many favors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We thought jot a bear and we were calling them Zaday for a long time, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm trying to come from I don't know, there there was a legitimate Zee in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, but they put it out where is pronounced odd.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where that came from, but I consider myself fairly literate, Chad and when I get tongue tied by a name that I will guarantee that player will end up a braco just because we can't pronounce it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could sit in myself to be not illiterate, you know, fairly literate, and we talk for a living.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So most of this stuff, you know, it shouldn't be that hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That one's a doozy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a, I got to admit for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a lot to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the general gist of tonight is I want to kind of talk about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the plan taking shape right for agencies in the books.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got long time in the books now and these draft visits and some of the other rumors and just buzz and speculation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got some stuff we're going to talk about but some hello's first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to say shout out to the first comment that I see in the live chat tonight which is David Yunkin, a dear member, just stopping by to say have a great show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, David.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a super chat from our dear friend and Mount Rushmore super star.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sam Bam in the house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sam, thank you, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He says, even guys nice to be back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was out of town most of the week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hope all is well for you guys as we get closer to the draft go Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all as well, big dog, all as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we zacked basically three weeks, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's gonna be two weeks from Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, three weeks, sorry, sorry, three weeks from Thursday, am I getting that right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me look at the, I think it's two weeks from Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or what's the official date?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it the 23rd?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah, two weeks, you're right, you're right, two weeks, two weeks coming up pretty fast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Two weeks and change, Sam, we're almost there, big dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: good to see you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you again, Sam.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Glad you're back in the saddle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got the pop of bear checking in as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, both Sam, pop of bear and Eric, who we're going to talk about next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Drop in super chats before we went live guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have no idea how important you are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Papa Bear says good evening Broncos country hashtag god bless the USA and let's go bow we need those hashtags every single night Papa Bear and your support you know this means the world a shout out jetty splashes in the hizzy with this tonight what's up buddy eclipse Troy how you doing pal We got Eric Colt saying what's up great last night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the mindset he says of Mike Washington, the running back at 62 overall and filling out the draft with linebacker Perkins from LSU, the Baylor Tide and Michael Trig, give me the goods on him and then defensive linemen or pardon me, defensive linemen can and from Alabama your thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Zack, I don't really know all that much about Perkins or
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keenan, but trig is an interesting tight end prospect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure he does that much more for you than what you already have in terms of checking the boxes that are unchecked currently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, he's not that interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the Broncos drafted him, Zack, I would look at it like this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, better some help than no help for this tight end room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we quickly, I don't know if you caught the show last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We ran through like a three round mock draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was we made three picks and we consider trig and Chad kind of dismissed the pick correctly by the way for the very same reasons it would be a lower ceiling move and if you're going to add to the tight end room with what you got with what you're bringing back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to add some ceiling there, but I like the way you're thinking, especially with Washington at 62, I really hope he falls to the Broncos or at least gives him that decision, but I like the way you're thinking and that feeling the Broncos biggest needs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're going to end up with those players exactly, but those are the areas they should target.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like this idea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just doing a little brush up here on Harold Perkins Jr. And he's currently ranked, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Something like the 12th or 13th inside linebacker on the mock draft database consensus big board and he's currently Zach projected to be for what it's worth fourth fifth round guy and for what it's worth Eric Bob Morris at MHH he had an article today that I highly encourage everybody to give it a read and he goes on to basically look at all the drafts since 2011 and the linebackers the Broncos have drafted since then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And all the ones that paned out Zach were fourth round of beyond all the ones that paned out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The ones that were earlier than that, there were two third round picks, Nate Irving and 2011, most Broncos fans can probably remember him, he was part of those T-Bo teams, and then kind of flamed out right when Peyton Manning got here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, and then Drew Sanders Zach, the other third round pick that was, you know, 2023.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So hey, man, Broncos have a way of finding lineback.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good linebacker help a little bit later in the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and for anyone still wondering about Drew Sanders, I think that's already a lost cause.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But where they draft a lineback because it's all, it's fatal company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty much guaranteed they're going to take a linebacker at some point in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But how high they take that linebacker?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think should tell us what we need to know about the future or lack thereof of Sanders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But thanks again, Eric, for this comment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so good to see you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some other hello's here guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where are we?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're about 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're doing really good with our time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to click this off real quick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have Mr. Producer tonight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So bear with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We might be a little clunky at some of these transitions, but hopefully you won't even, you won't even perceive it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got decrom in the house a fellow podcaster.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've ran into at different stops on the NFL calendar like the senior bull.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy is a great supporter of MHH over the years and grinds in his own right David.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's very nice to see you big dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for the two super chats I see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He says here Zach the best teams use the draft with a focus on the next two to three years as opposed to plugging holes in the now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody should frown if the Broncos use the number 62 pick on a corner back, safety guard, defensive line, etc.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As opposed to the three positions, everyone kind of seems to be pining for running back line back or tight ends at Gear Thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, quickly, David, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, number two, I agree with your premise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how proactive front office is build their teams for the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree, it's why I've been talking about offensive line for the last month or so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, don't be surprised if they go that route.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I nitpick in one area here, and you say, well, don't really draft for need or for the now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you take a safety for example, that might be for the now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might have to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You lost PJ Locke, Brandon Jones is coming off and injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's entering a contract year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could rely on who
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[SPEAKER_02]: They could talk up, but who's a RECHAD and say the young Jones all they want, they're not accomplished enough to bypass that position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need some help replacing JFM.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be in need.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I agree with what you're saying here, David, but there's two positions there that would fit in the here and now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well said, David jumps in with his second super chat to say, and thank you again, DeCron.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cornerback and safety are sneaky needs with Macmillan, Moss, and Brandon Jones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll come out of a contract after this, you know, basically entering a contract here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody like trade-and-stukes or AJ Halsey would make a lot of sense at 62 if available.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me see if what the what the consensus Bigboard says because I thought both those guys were a little.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, Halsey's 57.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I stand corrected, Deacron.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And who's the other guy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Trade-own stukes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's have a look here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stukes, stukes, stukes, stukes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why am I not seeing stukes on the Bigboard?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He must be listed as a corner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, where's stukes up?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't I say?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's listed as a corner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's his point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Zach stukes is the 64th overall guy on the, the consensus big board and the, of course, he's the corner from Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that safety, he is the fourth overall rank safety average draft position AJ Holsey 57 overall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just I'm only going through this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So everyone kind of knows who some of these names are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's good information and David, thank you for the second super.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of wish I read your second before commenting, but I think what I said still stands up here, I don't know if I could swallow another cornerback because you have Chris Abram's drain still coming up, he could take us spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you used the first rompick on John A. Baron, who should eventually, if you used the first rompick on him, step into a starting role, safety is where I agree for the reasons I laid out and I would not be surprised at all David and you're right if they use 62 at that position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't hate a safety at 62 when it wouldn't be my first kind of hope for the Broncos there and it would depend on who's on the board, but decrompt think about this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you bring up Macmillan, you bring up Moss today, Eric trickle dropped a new seven round mock that's on the website guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you have not read it, it's one of the funner mocks of his, you'll read each year because I always tell him,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, man, let's not do too many mocks that have trades, because sometimes it can be hard to follow and trading is so unpredictable in the real life draft and we're already trying to project something that is in essence, Zach drafting unpredictable so we're adding multiple layers of kind of figments here when we do too many trades was my critique and yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In his article today, it features five trades and he points out that the Broncos traded four different times last season in the draft so it's like hey, you know, it's not that far fetched, but the whole point of this long-winded ramble decrom is that one of the trades sent Riley Moss elsewhere in the draft for some capital, which Zach, I don't know why I don't I don't love it, but it kind of seems feasible right now because mosses in that contract year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's had his problems.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's had his struggles and yet he's also been very good for the Broncos at times and they drafted a kid in the first round last year that they obviously want to see on the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not beating out Macmillan in the slot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The boundaries, the shortest path to see in their first round pick on the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I, in 100% lockstep with you about Moss, I wouldn't love it, but I can see it happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can understand why they would do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't know if you would, and I can't, it's hard when you like you said, Chad, a factor in trades to this scenario, we have to assume that these players are going to remain on the roster and the Broncos are adding to them with their draft picks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in that case, I, it would be a hard pill to swallow going quarterback at 62.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Deacrum.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got us thinking big dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got us talking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that is what these podcasts are all about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's about the conversation with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for the support as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Big dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hope you're doing well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got the lady.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dechecking in Zach from the pop rope.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You the Anna Hendry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we miss yet any any night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't see it in this stream.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when you're here, we're like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: yet always right with the world hope you're doing well hope the weather's getting better up in your neck of the woods.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She says hi Chad Zach and everyone I'm looking forward to the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the Broncos focus on weapons that will help bow I will be happy go Broncos and may change for life Zach what do you think like right now gun to your head is it a weapon to help bow or you know defensive line I guess we could let's not just say a weapon someone to help bow
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[SPEAKER_02]: down the road it could be a weapon or do you think it's going to be a defender man man man you're that's it's really tough to tell Chad because we don't know their big board but gun to my head I feel like they made their big move with Jalen Wattles so the pressure I'm just speculating the pressure might off of them to reach for an offensive player in the second round ultimately I do think they will go defense and round two but I could be surprised I know there's that
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, man, when you're starved for moves, any move feels like mana from heaven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you're starved for eight days, and it's a tectonic blockbuster move like Jalen Waddle, it's satiates a little bit more, but at the same time, Zack, that just feels right what you said, that
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[SPEAKER_03]: What more, I mean, from a receiver standpoint, they're pretty good, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because they've got their young guys, they've drafted that all got pushed down the depth chart with Jalen Waddle coming in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: George Peyton said, they love their room, Sean Peyton iterated the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not planning on trading anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: there's going to be an emphasis on trying to get those guys on the field and seeing them continue to develop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have my doubts that we'll see that from certain guys, but I think that's the Broncos mindset.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're looking at to go back to what DeCrom was talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're looking at a pick here in the second round that can be impactful within the first three years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, somebody like Nick Benito, you know, who was their first pick in 2022 the year before
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[SPEAKER_03]: no one could have predicted Zach nobody even the Broncos that he was going to become as good as he became as a second round pick took a year and a half almost two years to fully develop and then two back to back all pro seasons like you need a guy like that who can depending on the position and actually regardless of the position a guy like that Zach who can doesn't need to play right away that can develop and learn only to be unleashed circa
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was going to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys remember, Benito was like a luxury pick at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos didn't need him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They took him because they wanted to have him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that kind of same theory leads me to believe they could take an offensive lineman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A tackle because not for now, not for 2026, but maybe for 2027, or the future for Garrett Bowles or Mike McClunchy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, though, Chad, I mean, you look at it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They brought back JK Dobbins at running back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They satisfied that area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about offense, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They brought back Adam Troutman, who we talked about that ad nausea, and they satisfied time in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do much at offensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're offensive line for that matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do much at defensive end, but they brought back two inside linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They brought in a safety and Tyson Anderson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you follow the lack of moves, more so than the moves they made, which are in a lot, obviously, maybe that would clue us in Diana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately, I think they will go defense and round two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Regardless, thank you for your
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so what I was thinking, what another thought that lady did triggered Zach, we touched on this a little bit last night, but if we're trying to kind of forecast and predict maybe what to expect with that first pick, the Broncos have this year, number 62 over all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You look back at what the second round picks have been in the George Payton era, starting in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have a running back then in 2022, a rush line backer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then in 2023, a wide receiver returner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no second round pick in 2024 and then 2025, another running back, RJ Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So three offensive weapons, a rush linebacker, and then no pick in 2024.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So look,
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can't rule out another running back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can't, especially because it is in need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at that through D-Crombs lens of that whole two to three thing, two to three years, and you know, best player available more the long-term view in the draft as opposed to free agency.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you got JK Dobbins Zach resigned on a two-year deal, but it's essentially a one-year
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a big race, but a one year deal and then we'll kind of decide what to do if we're going to pick up the second year after 2026.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you're going to need another option to pair with RJ Harvey long term.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So a running back could still qualify under that if the right guy that they love is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anything is off the table except for one position and that would be quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to draft a quarterback and round two, but anything else is on the table chat, it wouldn't surprise me if they took a wide receiver at 62.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't I don't think it's very likely, but it wouldn't surprise me either so they can go really either way because you're right.
21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to start thinking about the future.
21:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like what David said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just for the here and now, but it's for 27 28 29 and et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and you can't rely on RJ Harvey as he proved to be an RB1, you're going to have to start thinking about life after JK Dobbins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And especially with him, said, to know it's his strength and your point, what are the odds that JK Dobbins gets hurt this year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, probably over 50%.
22:17
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to have another quivering your deck and preferably a high ceiling one at that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Washington or your boy, Jadarian Price, they check those boxes with a plumb.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well said, well said, guys, I want to talk that here in a second about what we might be able to divine from the top 30 visits that the Broncos are on the record for this, this particular draft season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get to that just a few more halos here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got storm blast sand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's up to everybody?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hope everything goes cool at work, buddy.
22:48
[SPEAKER_03]: While you're listening, Todd Austin Dorson, the house, good to see you.
22:52
[SPEAKER_03]: The rock is in the house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great to have everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Heesh wants to know if it'll show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, there we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope the Titan Claire is there at 62 rouse at either in the fourth or Casemaric in the fifth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can't remember where Andree's is supposed to fall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if we look at Titan, Zach Andree's is fifth round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fifth round guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So of those names that he listed,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do any of them resonate for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like Claire, but I think he's a little too rich for my blood at 62.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Preferably, I've trade down a few spots, pick up another picker too, and still take Claire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he could be a functional inline side end, and someone that's an all around may better version of what they haven't had in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what's interesting is, among the top 30 visits, and we've talked about this before, guys, that you can't read too much into the top 30 visits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for reasons that I don't want to have to repeat every time we bring it up, but just keep in mind that they don't always correlate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, they almost never correlate to an actual pick, all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But on the subject of tight ends and top 30 visits so far as that they have met with Max Claire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They met with Justin Jolie, North NC state tight end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As far as tight ends,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me see here, a couple of wide receivers, Nate Borkature, the tight end that blocking is, you know, you want a blocking guy, the Texas A&M kid, Borkature.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Eli Stowers, Zach is another one that they met with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then let me see if there's any others.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then of course, you know, all the pro days, private workouts, the conversations that combine senior bulls, shrind bull, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Claire is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of there with use act where 62 considering it's the first pick in their whole draft might be a little rich.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, you have to consider, like, if there's not a viable trade back there, you're not on the board again to 108 overall, so like, if you see him as your guy,
25:02
[SPEAKER_03]: just take him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: True.
25:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have to have conviction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had it with John DeBaron in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You would have it in the second round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but you brought up and I know he's not mentioned here by Charlotte, but stowers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If he's there 62, that kind of changes the conversation as well, I would easily pull the trigger there versus overpaying for Claire.
25:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Todd wants to know what you hate it.
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: If the Broncos picked up Jonah Coleman at 62, that's the Washington running back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, Zach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just going to say, I don't, I wouldn't hate it at all, like I know you're maybe were a little split on this because I haven't below Washington in terms of who, you know, ideal fit for the Broncos, but I wouldn't cry myself to sleep by any means, to other, they would be helping out the offense, helping out the, the, the, the, the boneics and helping out the entire team wouldn't hate it at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not either.
25:50
[SPEAKER_03]: He, it would be a pretty considerable reach in terms of how he has perceived from the outside looking in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's basically viewed from the consensus big board.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's viewed as a late third round pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But still a third round pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas Mike Washington, he's viewed as the 67 overall guy currently in his stock still is climbing a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Jonah Coleman, again though, if they felt like that was their guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and that they had really good reason to believe Todd.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that he wasn't going to be there at one o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't hate it.
26:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's not forget, guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: RJ Harvey, yes, we have our complaints about the downed down consistency when he was asked to be the RB1 down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he, the bang for buck that they got from him as a second round pick last year was pretty extensive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a selection that even our own guys who scouted him hard like Eric trickle, he liked RJ Harvey a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the value at 60 were the
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[SPEAKER_03]: in the grand scheme of things and in the fullness of time, Zach, a lot of that stuff gets forgotten about and lost in the shuffle because it really just depends on how do they play once you got there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so far, I think RJ Harvey's level of play has been commensurate with where he was drafted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those two things correlate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I bet it would be similar with Joan of Coleman, although you probably wouldn't see a whole heck of a lot of usage if and until and unless JK Dobbins got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's an excellent point bringing a bargey Harvey who some people felt they overdrafted.
27:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But how about Pat Bryant, Shatt, to make the same point?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was considered a fifth or sixth-around prospect by a lot of draft index in the Bronx because he used a third-round pick on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they do not care about your big board.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They do not care about where you rank these players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Todd, if they have, I don't know what I'm speaking of you personally, but if they have conviction on someone, they're not afraid as Sean and George Peyton have proven to overdraft them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe Chad's right, maybe he is more of a third round prospect, but considering they're on the board of 62 and not again for quite a while I could see them pulling the trigger if they are convicted enough
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ron, brother, great to see it in the House smile high salute right back at one of our dear members and super stars in the mayor of the community.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
28:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what's Troy talking about here is that there's a player in the IPP who are Bernard defensive tackle from Nigeria.
28:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll see what I don't know much about him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm never going to lie to you guys, but I'll look into that Troy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zach, I don't know if you know anything about this kid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he reminds me of that one draft prospect that jumped out of a pool.
28:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like 10 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, what a viral for that reason.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And my question and I asked this legitimately and maybe I'm brain farting here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Has there ever been like a true IPP success success story?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Has anyone become a star from the IPP program?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe a decent flyer, but not a priority by any means.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: None of the Broncos guys international guys that could really pan doubt yet, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if anyone in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I can't think of anybody off the top of my head at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Shiloh says agreed, Zack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stowers would require a long look.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely an F slash big slot type, tight end receiver guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll have to replace Ingram eventually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, when you look at Eli Stowers, Zack,
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[SPEAKER_03]: 2026 prison.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got I don't do we need him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got have an inger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got your F move tight and ingerams well over 30 though contract year.
29:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So he fits again in that two or three year window that DeCron brought up earlier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the eventually part about replacing in-groom might come sooner than later, based on what we saw in year one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope he proves me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he has a strong second season in Denver, but if the broccos bought into something of a lemon in Evan Ingram, it's only downhill from here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're gonna have to start thinking about life after him as well, planning for the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because who do you have behind him, Chad, that you can count on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Adam Freak and Troutman, Lucas Crow, I don't think so.
30:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a look at this together guys, and this kind of goes to the whole topic of tonight's show what the free agency period and the latest, what we've heard, what the Broncos are doing can point to perhaps what to expect on draft day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zach, can you see that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This particular side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to tell you it has some pop-ups like at the bottom here that I just can't get Let me see if I blow it up one more time if it maybe goes away a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, this is NFL trade rumors, but they do a good job each and every year of chronicling draft visits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for the Broncos, let's just look at some of these names.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I already mentioned they met with Max Claire
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[SPEAKER_03]: linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a guy by the way, Jimmy Rolder, that from Michigan, that trickle loves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he was, I think, might have been the last pick in his mock today, but if not the last, he was picked in the mock.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Very interesting player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Broncos are, are obviously curious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe Lee's act kind of fits into, he's maybe a poor man's Eli Stowers, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's never going to be a blocker, but he could give you a receiving upside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him at the at the senior bull.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He looked like a wide receiver, just like a big wide receiver.
31:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He looked like a little Jordan Humphrey out there running around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pregnant, the Oregon guard would not shock me at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zach, if he's on the board at 62, if they were to take him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because once again,
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[SPEAKER_03]: powers contract year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They got to have options.
31:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, they got pelchesky resigned, but I think in a perfect world, they prefer him to be the next guy on the field.
31:49
[SPEAKER_03]: When someone goes down instead of a penciled in starter, so to speak, and Nick Garjulo's act, there's no way to know if he's going to bounce back from that ACL.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this tells us pretty interestingly about where the Broncos are focused and look at that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had one receiver visit with concept she owned lined up and they canceled it after trading for jail and water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see Caleb Banks is another defensive lineman, another offensive lineman running back running back tight in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So again, guard tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned battery earlier ever receiver and Omar Cooper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell based on where they've consolidated their moves or your top 30 visits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there's no correlation chat, but it's obvious where they're going to put their capital and it's only really subjective as to what you think the Broko should address first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Based on that list, it's going to be an offensive lineman or a defender of some sort, but remains to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, Kalon Black, for example, they took a visit with him, but that's the kind of visit that they're probably not planning on drafting him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They want to get some of questions answered in case he doesn't get drafted as a lot of people expect he might be a college free agent and they could maybe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bring him in as a priority guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Priority free agent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jonah Coleman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a legit interest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They met with them at the combine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They met with them on a top 30.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just where's he going to be within reach for you because 62 again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little early and then you're not on the board till 108, but remember.
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[SPEAKER_03]: George Peyton's Zach did not rule out trade ups and he's done it in multiple drafts again trickle today when he's doing his seven round mock before he got to the trades he's like just keep in mind, you know, I'm basing these mocks off of recent history I'm not just pulling him out of my rear end and the Broncos executed four different trades during last year's draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything is on the table for the Broncos right now.
33:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Chad, we mix it so hard to really predict and hone in on what they're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Holy crap, Diana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lady D, jumping in with a second top rope super chat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She says, what about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jacob Rodriguez, the Texas Tech linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She says, I would like him just my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still hoping the Broncos have something up there sleeve looking forward for the season to start.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he would be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He would be great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Broncos haven't drafted a linebacker that high since 2004.
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[SPEAKER_03]: which was DJ Williams in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it would be against their convention, so to speak, but Zach, unless they're looking to trade up in the second round, the odds are Jacob Rodriguez is not gonna be there at 62, but I absolutely love him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's one of three or four linebackers in this class that I would be super stoked, the Broncos Landham.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 22 years without drafting a linebacker if I understand that correctly, Chad and the first round, that has to be some sort of record or second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's got to be one of the longest droughts of any team, not drafting a linebacker and the first two rounds that I can recall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Broncos have neglected it for far too long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've tried to get by on veteran hasbins and kind of projects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, Diana, fully freaking agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would run this drought card up to the podium and not even think twice about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rodriguez would fit like a glove.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And more importantly, he would start to take Alex singleton off the field.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Love Singleton as a person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't love him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my starting line backer for yet another season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm right there with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Deanna.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting for the season to start very patiently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Rod regas though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If he's not on the board when the Broncos are picking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some other options.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Deanna just to keep in mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anthony Hill Jr. Jake Golday from Cincinnati.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Josiah Trotter from Missouri.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's also Kyle Lewis from Pittsburgh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going in order of that kind of zone And then you kind of jump a few spots and you get to more of the midter middle-round guys who I can't remember who brought up Perkins from LSU earlier He's an option there de entail Austin from Alabama, but my guy in the
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[SPEAKER_03]: third, fourth, fifth rounds area somewhere in there, probably the fourth is Bryce Betcher, who's that can I drafted in that mock last night?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love that kid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was a little bit of a fraudulent slip by you, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said, midter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I want the Broncos to avoid at Linebacker for yet another year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's time they devote real precious capital to the position and not try to get by with players that should be second and third stringers, not first stringers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, said, Lady D's back again, third, hopro super chat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't always have the answers perfectly, especially this time of year, but we do our best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to define them and get to the bottom of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you, Diana, from the bottom of our heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so kind of you, Diana, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As always, give David our best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hope everyone's doing well up there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Zach, check this out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So...
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've mentioned it before, since Lady Dew is talking about linebacker, I want to spend some time on this just for a second and I want to bring up this article from Bob Morris published this morning very good investigative
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[SPEAKER_03]: a historical little piece that reflects just what the Broncos have done in the draft with linebackers since 2011.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And remember, guys like Benito, Vaughn Miller, Bradley Chub, yeah, they're linebackers, but they're edged, they're rush linebackers, they're outside linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't count.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about inside linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And here's the names, Zach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're
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[SPEAKER_03]: Danny Trevathan in 2012, he was a sixth round pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lameen Barrow, 2014, fifth rounder, Cory Nelson, 2014, seventh rounder, Josie Jewel, 2018, fourth round guy who had some legs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He stuck around for quite a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keyshomb be area, 2018, sixth rounder, Justin Sternad, 2020, fifth round pick, and then last, and maybe least, we'll see what he does this summer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Drew Sanders, Zach, 2023, third round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he ain't going to do anything, but every once in a while, Chad will bring up an old name from Broncos past and it just brings me right back Corey Nelson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that who you said?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Corey Nelson and what a dependable lunch pal type of lineback or great special team or great team and I think he was on the SB 50 team as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 2014.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's played special teams and then he got he finally got an opportunity to play a little bit, but he you know on defense later on, but he never really could stick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now there's a couple other guys that Bob mentions, like Mike Muhammad and Justin Holland's Baron Browning that had positional versatility, but when it came to the NFL,
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[SPEAKER_03]: they were used a little bit more on the edges than they were inside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so they don't really count, but look, I mean, his main takeaway is this quote, fans shouldn't be too concerned if the Broncos don't use their second round pick on a linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Broncos will still have a shot at a quality contributor on day three of the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is, of course, again, based on the historical evidence that
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[SPEAKER_03]: some of their better linebackers that have had some staying power and made some impact they've been over the past 15 years back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been later mid to late round picks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not to contradict my own point, but they also found a level daily in Korean A read as undrafted for agents and they made the 53.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they have to import a linebacker at some point.
39:57
[SPEAKER_02]: We all have our preferences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would hope though, like Deanna was saying, if they can get a
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[SPEAKER_03]: no doubt, no doubt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Todd says Shannon Sharp was not a good blocking tight end yet was pretty damn good for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that got brought up, I think yesterday too, Zach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember who brought it up, but he is, you guys, you can't use an Alzheimer as an example of what to expect in any way, shape or form, especially an Alzheimer who was a late, late, late round pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what was, I got to remind myself,
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... he was a seventh round pit savanna state and he was originally drafted as a wide receiver and then pretty quickly converted to tie-dend and like a lot of wide receiver zack not exactly spend in much time on his blocking technique and his want to but my shenanne developed that aspect of sharps game and became one of the best
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[SPEAKER_03]: in the NFL to ever do it, but you just can't go, you know, like if you were looking at quarterbacks, you can't make a decision based on, oh, well, John L, I did this or that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, these are all time rare, elite, the 1% of the 1%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, really enough, enough said beyond that it's tough to compare any player to another NFL player because they're like snowflakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is different, but it's putting a lot of pressure undue pressure on the rookie when you're lining them up against a future holiday or Hall of Famer, excuse me, one of the best I ever do it.
41:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So I grew a hundred percent there with what you're saying, Chad.
41:37
[SPEAKER_03]: uh, William says, I, I'm with Eric.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Jonah Ellis slowly goes into starting at inside linebacker this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It will be part time and 2027.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might be full time if he really does a good job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of interesting today, Luke Evans of the Denver Post.
41:57
[SPEAKER_03]: had a article getting some quotes from Kyle Whittingham who was the long time Utah youths head coach recently left he's now the head coach at Michigan but he coached Ellis all three years at Utah and he said quote he certainly got the physicality
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[SPEAKER_03]: to destroy blocks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Block destruction is something he's really good at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's also got very good, just flat out speed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's got what it takes to be a very good all around inside linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And not only Zach was winning him his coach, but winning him himself,
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[SPEAKER_03]: was a former lineback or he played at BYU for three years and then actually signed with the Broncos in 1982, a lot of fans might not realize this, he didn't last long, he didn't make it through training camp, but spent some time in the pros, the USFL, how to stretch with the Rams, then he was like, alright, I'm going to go get into coaching, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: He knows what he's talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All his defenses at Utah were also his defenses like he's very smart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Know what he's talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Zach, the other aspect to consider with Jonah Ellis and then I'm serving it back to you is the bloodline aspect, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got Jonah's brothers Christian and Caden who have thrived it inside linebacker and so there's there's the Broncos aren't just guessing here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't make me like it all that much more to be frank with you, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kyle Whittingham says if that's what the Broncos want to do with him, he will thrive there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's no worthy for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe on being too rigid, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like there's a difference between succeeding at linebacker in college and succeeding at linebacker in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And just because his brothers paid linebacker doesn't necessarily mean that Jonah's going to successfully transit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe after they drafted him shot if they played him full time from day one
43:52
[SPEAKER_02]: unlearn everything first at outside linebacker and then relearn everything at linebacker.
43:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead not just draft a pure inside lineback doesn't make sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although if they go this route, William, I hope it works out for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like Yoda.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You must unlearn what you have learned.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then we'll see how it shakes out dude, but Ellis, I'm what I'm curious to see isn't whether he's going to do well there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he will.
44:21
[SPEAKER_03]: What I'm curious to see is how committed the Broncos are to him playing ILB.
44:26
[SPEAKER_03]: In other words, Zach, are they just going to give him some snaps and training camp and he's an O-Crap option if you know what hits the fan?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or are they genuinely transitioning him to inside lineback?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it will work well if you're going to ask him to still work on all the technique and everything it takes, all the X's and O's and the understanding and the past rush tool kit and all the technique of setting the edge to be an edge guy and then also ask him to learn all the mental stuff that it takes to be an inside lineback or like you're going to have to commit one way or the other if you do not.
45:03
[SPEAKER_03]: It ends up as another failed attempt, potentially squandered third round pick, kind of like what has happened with Drew Sanders.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, in Drew Sanders case, let's not get it twisted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His lack of success at this stage, that has nothing to do with the Broncos between year one and year two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: changing him from an inside linebacker to an outside linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then back to inside linebacker, it's the injury bug is what has derailed him.
45:28
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's still another example of the Broncos moving a player, young guy drafted defender in the front seven, and not really working out.
45:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, less we forget also how many times Vijay and his coaching career has squandered a linebacker prospect and not properly developed him and you also you have a young up and coming outside linebacker, which is infinitely more valuable in the NFL than a true inside linebacker, I and why now?
45:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I see Dustin's comment.
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I see on another podcast that Ellis had a better control in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why now though?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why this, I guess, late into his tenure with the Broncos or his career, are they trying this route with him?
46:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And number two, my two-part question of this is, why would you bring back Singleton and Sternon?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, if you're gonna transition him to a starting position, why would you bring back two starters?
46:18
[SPEAKER_02]: None of this really makes sense to me.
46:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta be honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we shall see.
46:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, Todd saying, look, I'm not comparing them like prospects to elite what he's saying is that you can work on a blocking aspect as Shannon sharp did not say that anyone in this draft is the next Shannon sharp that would be silly.
46:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I got I get you.
46:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying like, yeah, I mean, you could look at any tight end who sucks at blocking or has yet to really master that and go, well, maybe it's possible because Shannon did it.
46:49
[SPEAKER_03]: All we're saying is just to Shannon did it you can't really expect anyone else to do it like I don't know we'll see how it pans out for the Broncos because that they need someone who can do these things from the why specifically in line hand in the dirt guy.
47:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Adam Troutman is not it.
47:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm sorry, you gaslighting us with Adam Troutman's words himself after the extension and then Sean Peyton last week, once again, doubling down that he's one of the better past protecting tight ends in the NFL.
47:17
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's not, he's not.
47:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, so they got to get some options there.
47:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, you go back to the list of guys they've met with Zach.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's not always a correlation.
47:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We can't read too much into it, but there are a couple of names here like Nate
47:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to see him in the orange and blue like fifth round pick, I would love that.
47:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I still can't believe that they brought back trout, and on a three year deal, and then had the, they actually insulted us to our face and said there was competitive offers for them, and then he's one of the best blockers.
47:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, Chad, both the eye test and the stats metrics prove otherwise.
47:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the definition of a jag.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I'm saying, you're rolling the dice by running it back with the same three of Evan and Grim and trout men in Lucas Crow.
48:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs someone else in that room.
48:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You need someone with a higher potential than all three of them combined.
48:08
[SPEAKER_02]: if you lie stowers on the board like we talked about, I am heavily considering that as well.
48:14
[SPEAKER_03]: So first of all, Albert, the mile high Dutch, he says there are a few exceptions with position changes that have worked like Micah Parsons and then Shilob rings up.
48:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't forget, Baron Browning, as far as just guys that changed and it didn't really pan out.
48:26
[SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing, both Parsons and Browning had and Sanders for that matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were using
48:33
[SPEAKER_03]: on the edge and at inside lineback or browning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the reasons he fell to the third round.
48:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He was viewed guys as a top 45 top 50 talent in that class that he came in.
48:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it 2021?
48:46
[SPEAKER_03]: 20, I'm not sure, I think, well, I'm right there.
48:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I can look right now, bear Browning.
48:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to remind myself, yeah, 2021, third round pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was viewed as a top 50 guy.
48:55
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is, and the reason he dropped was, teams weren't sure exactly this, where to plan, because of the way Ohio State used him as kind of a roving front, seven linebacker guy.
49:06
[SPEAKER_03]: So sometimes he was off the ball, sometimes he was on the edge, he was rushing.
49:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Drew Sanders started out as an edged rusher at Alabama, then he transfers to Arkansas plays inside linebacker and thrives Zack.
49:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And then inexplicably as an inside linebacker at Arkansas, still manages to have what wasn't nine sacks as a senior.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like what the heck?
49:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a talent dude.
49:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Drew Sanders, if he can stay healthy, he is a super talented dude, but it's hard to count on that at this stage.
49:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to transition positions in the NFL.
49:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not easy, especially to lineback or for a young player to use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the way I interpreted that was Albert was saying there are a few exceptions in the name Micah Parsons and Shilos correctly pointing out.
49:51
[SPEAKER_02]: There are way more exceptions when it doesn't work out, like in Baron Browning's case or Drew Sanders, his case to Marcus Walker's case.
49:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can go on and on.
49:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I would hope the Broncos leave well enough alone and this is kind of just like a fever dream right now.
50:05
[SPEAKER_02]: But the more days that go on, it seems legitimate that Jonah Ellis is moving to inside linebacker.
50:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll see how, we'll see how it pans out.
50:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Charlotte Trig is athletic offers no value at the Y at hand in the dirt guy.
50:22
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
50:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, the top tight ends.
50:25
[SPEAKER_03]: The tight ends that intrigue me the most in this class Zach besides Kenyan Sadik Eli Stowers again.
50:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I would be okay with it because you're looking at beyond 2026 as his biggest impact for the Broncos, but I like Max Claire.
50:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I just would want him.
50:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Hope he's there at one o'clock instead of taking him at 62.
50:47
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about a couple nights ago Zach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was.
50:52
[SPEAKER_03]: The night the days run together, but Oscar Delp from Georgia.
50:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Uber.
50:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I think actually I was talking about it with Ron Saturday night now that I think about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Georgia guy.
51:02
[SPEAKER_03]: can do a lot, can do everything, have that foot fracture that they discovered at the combine, kind of tanked his stock, but he's been climbing again.
51:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He's now viewed as a bona fide third round guy.
51:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I like him a lot.
51:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd be willing to take the risk on that foot a little bit because he's participated at his pro day, Oscar Delpe, his 40 time at the Georgia pro day.
51:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I got to remind myself, but it was a, he ran a 4, 4, 8 Zack, which for a tie-dend at his size, that's pretty significant.
51:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Broncos, like we talked about the bleacher report article earlier about offensive line kind of laying out where they could find prospects throughout the draft.
51:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have to be around to.
51:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel the same way about tight end.
51:48
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to reach for anyone in round two, like Claire, for example, because they can get someone maybe a little later on, and don't forget, just because they traded for Jalen Waddle, doesn't mean that they're out of capital.
51:58
[SPEAKER_02]: They have seven draft picks and I wouldn't be surprised to have a few more when it's all said and done.
52:04
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys.
52:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, DELP, let's see, NFL Combine, hold on.
52:11
[SPEAKER_03]: We got Shiloh San, isn't he a little smart, a small Oscar DELP, NFL Combine.
52:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's his official measurements at the Combine.
52:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't work out, obviously, but he did measure, he's 65, 245, so not really.
52:27
[SPEAKER_03]: not really 31 and 5.8 inch arms nine and a half inch hands and his overall athleticism score, which is an estimate because he did not test.
52:40
[SPEAKER_03]: What would a ranked second in the class?
52:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that for what it's worth?
52:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, listen, can he catch the football and hold onto it and make plays?
52:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That's I hate to sound so generic, but that's what I want for my tight ender for
52:57
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Glenn though, down in Australia, checking in from Oz says, at Titan, do you like the Stowers type or perversome when that can block?
54:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a Claire, Rared, and Bentley, Delp for a scheme, I exclude Stowers and trig.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, for me, Zach, I would love it if you could get Oscar Delp at 108.
54:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He might not be there, but to me, he would be like the ideal guy beyond that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm prioritizing blocking with the hope that instead of inverting it and drafting guys that can catch and hope and you can teach him to block.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I'm hoping that guys like, um,
55:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, what's his name?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I pronounce it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Ohio State kid will cast Merrick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can teach him to become a better receiver or Nate Borkichert, Texas A&M.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the guys that interest me more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Oscar like, hey, guys like Stowers Zach are interesting younger versions of Evan Ingram, but I'm more interested in guys who can offer you some true versatility and specific impact at the Y.
55:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's an area with Dell would be fine.
55:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, listen, if Starers is there at 62, I would heavily consider that, but George Peyton might have other interests and clear, not at 62, but a fat tree downshadow, like 70, for example, and pick up an extra couple of picks, that would be more attractive to me as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To answer your question, Glenn, though.
55:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You brought that trapman.
55:53
[SPEAKER_02]: He's supposed to be the blocker.
55:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Sean Peyton says.
55:55
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Troutman says on a three-year deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have that type of longevity with Evan Ingram, for example, or Lucas Crawl, a pure past catching tight end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would lean toward past catcher, but we'll see how they go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, yes, Shiloh, I'm with you DJ Williams, let's give this man his love because he was one of the most underrated linebackers of his era.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had in his first seven seasons he had 400 plus tackle seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His big year was in 070 out of 141 tackles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was a beast man, I loved him as a Bronco, his career started kind of dwindling injury problems in 2012, then he went to Chicago and by then he was kind of old and banged up, I loved DJ Williams, 55 with the vise or man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was just badass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love DJ Williams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The last inside linebacker drafted in the first round by this team again.
56:51
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, last thing here from Dustin, who's been with us on YouTube, he says, what about Caleb Loner?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Dustin, that Zach, we got a factor into our analysis here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How much do you suppose?
57:05
[SPEAKER_03]: The Broncos, when they're looking at the future, they're tied in position, including 2026.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How much do you suppose loan or actually factors into that map?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a non-zero chance that he does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'll say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because Chad, like, look at, follow the money, so to speak.
57:26
[SPEAKER_02]: They kept Evan Ingraham on the roster.
57:28
[SPEAKER_02]: They brought back Lucas Kroll, and they brought back Adam Troutman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How highly could they view Caleb Loner if they were running it back from last year's group?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I look at Loner of the same way I do Drew Sanders, is that if he works out great, if he doesn't, I am not going to be surprised.
57:43
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How much could they really be counting on loaner when they brought back three tight ends?
57:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned two of them, but Nate Adkins as well.
57:52
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a very good distinction, I think, Zach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, guys, great show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So congrats to you, big congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a great rest of your hot night Keith that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for sharing that news with us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a great rest of your Monday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody will see a Wednesday together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take care and as always.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go Broncos.