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Football at Four From Super Bowl LX Media Row: Former NFL QB Brian Hoyer Explains QB Development, WCO, Coaching Strategy · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 6: Was your flight better than mine? Because I had the
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Speaker 4: It was six hours, it was long.
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Speaker 6: It was tough to sit in that middle and I
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Speaker 6: couldn't fall asleep. And to my left over here is
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Speaker 6: Brian Hoyer NBC Boston and covers the Patriots. Played with
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Speaker 6: the Patriots, of course, played in the NFL for years,
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Speaker 6: almost played for the Eagles. From what I understand here,
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Speaker 6: can remember, hard to remember, but Brian Hoyer is gonna
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Speaker 6: join us for a little football at four as well,
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Speaker 6: and Super Bowl sixty is upon us. I will say, like,
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Speaker 6: the Patriots obviously are used to being in this game,
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Speaker 6: but were you anticipating being this team being in this game.
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Speaker 2: I thought they would be a lot.
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Speaker 5: I thought they would be better than most people, just
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Speaker 5: based on knowing Vrabel. Obviously, Josh McDaniel's coming back watching
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Speaker 5: Drake May and his development as a rookie. I thought
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Speaker 5: they made some really good maybe not high profile obviously
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Speaker 5: Mark Williams from from Philly, but some of the other
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Speaker 5: signings were just very tactical guys that fit what they
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Speaker 5: were looking to do. They drafted well, and we were
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Speaker 5: just saying before we came on here. I mean they
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Speaker 5: were in every single They lost three games, and those
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Speaker 5: three games take away two or three bad plays and
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Speaker 5: they win those. They they've been, to me, the most
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Speaker 5: consistent team the entire season.
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Speaker 4: And I know people want to.
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Speaker 5: Talk about the schedule, but if we're going off of that,
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Speaker 5: then the Browns will be in the Super Bowl next year.
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Speaker 4: We know that's not happening, So that's right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me you were.
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Speaker 4: A Super Bowl champion. What it was like for backup?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: I mean for me, it was so great because all
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Speaker 5: of my Super Bow appearances with the Patriots.
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Speaker 4: For them, it was just another week.
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Speaker 5: You know, they had gone so many times that they
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Speaker 5: had the scheduling like immediately, you know, you win the
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Speaker 5: game on Sunday night, DAFC Chames game Monday, you'd come in,
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Speaker 5: you'd have a operations meeting. Okay, here's what your family needs.
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Speaker 5: Take this home to them. Here's what we're doing. This
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Speaker 5: is the day where like they they had everything laid
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Speaker 5: out so well.
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Speaker 2: So for me, it was just another week of preparation.
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Speaker 5: And for me as a backup, like you know, you
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Speaker 5: didn't I didn't play at all a lot during those
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Speaker 5: years and went to the Super Bowl and you're like,
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Speaker 5: all right, well, if I'm gonna play this game, I'm
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Speaker 5: sure as hell gonna be prepared, right right, you do
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Speaker 5: extra preparation.
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Speaker 2: A big part of.
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Speaker 5: It too, is preparing our defense for what they're gonna
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Speaker 5: go against, which that that was huge. That was huge
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Speaker 5: for me when we were playing the Rams in twenty
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Speaker 5: eighteen because I had just been in that West Coast
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Speaker 5: system with Kyle Shanahan Sean McVay running a very similar system.
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Speaker 5: So I felt confident in the looks that we were
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Speaker 5: gonna give them.
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Speaker 2: I felt confident in talking to.
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Speaker 5: Brian Flores and Bill and you know, the players on
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Speaker 5: that defense, whether it was the mccordy's or High Time
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Speaker 5: or Chung whatever, like, I feel pretty confident this is
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Speaker 5: how they're going to try to attack, you guys.
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Speaker 6: I think one of the things about this week that's
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Speaker 6: kind of interesting as we talk about the quarterbacks. We've
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Speaker 6: been asking all week long here which of these two
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Speaker 6: teams in the quarterback have the staying power? Like is
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Speaker 6: it one of these one hit wonder teams or do
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Speaker 6: these two teams have the magic? Now that Seattle is
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Speaker 6: becoming the new NFC team and that the Patriots will
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Speaker 6: be here for the long run.
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Speaker 5: I would say, in my opinion, the Patriots are set
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Speaker 5: up for long more long term success because look who's
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Speaker 5: leaving the Seahawks, right, Klint Kubiak's leaving. Who's gonna replace him?
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Speaker 5: This is a thing that happened in Detroit, Right, you're successful.
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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson leaves, Aaron Glenn leaves like they don't have
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Speaker 5: the same season. And so I would say that's gonna
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Speaker 5: be a big lingering question for Seattle.
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Speaker 2: Who's the OC.
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Speaker 5: You know Josh McDaniels is going to be there for
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Speaker 5: a while, you know Mike Rabel is going to be there.
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Speaker 5: They've built a foundation and they're gonna be able to
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Speaker 5: add those pieces.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 5: I always say, uh, for the Seahawks, Look, they have
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Speaker 5: a lot of young talent. Right, you got j s
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Speaker 5: n you got him, and worry you got you got,
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Speaker 5: you got core guys, and I think Mike McDonald's a
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Speaker 5: phenomenal coach, so uh, they will be there. But I
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Speaker 5: guess my question is who replaces Clint Kubiak, And.
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Speaker 7: The question is do they stay in his sense with
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Speaker 7: the same system, because don't forget, he was with Kyle,
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Speaker 7: then he was with Kevin, and now he was with Kubiak,
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Speaker 7: So all that's relatively I'm sure there's some tweaks, but
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Speaker 7: it's relatively the same. So you would think they'd want
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Speaker 7: to go with someone from that school.
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Speaker 5: Maybe they take Clint's younger brother, Clay from San Francisco, right, like, hey,
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Speaker 5: well one brother to the next, and things would be
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Speaker 5: very similar.
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Speaker 2: Shocked if something like that happens.
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Speaker 4: Correct. Let me let me ask you this question.
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Speaker 8: Last year, which he was I liked him, what the
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Speaker 8: North Carolina tape?
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Speaker 4: I liked his tape.
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Speaker 7: I thought that he had a couple of issues that
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Speaker 7: were easily fixable. You know, he was a drifter in college,
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Speaker 7: and that's a coachable thing.
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Speaker 4: I know Brian would agree with.
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Speaker 7: That, meaning that he would drop back and he would
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Speaker 7: had a tendency to kind of drift to his left.
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Speaker 7: So what that does is you create your own pressure
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Speaker 7: because the old line is not past protecting. They're pass
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Speaker 7: protecting with you being straight back on the midline, So
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Speaker 7: if you drift, you're creating your own pressure. But that's
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Speaker 7: a very coachable thing. Now every once in a while
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Speaker 7: he'll do that, but they clearly worked on it with him.
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Speaker 7: I mean, even last year as a rookie, I didn't
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Speaker 7: think he did that very much. The one thing that
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Speaker 7: I think has really shown in the NFL, which I
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Speaker 7: wouldn't call it a question based on his college tape,
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Speaker 7: but it wasn't like this in college to the extent
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Speaker 7: is he's been really precise with his ball location in
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Speaker 7: the NFL. And I thought his college tape he wasn't
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Speaker 7: exactly like that. I wouldn't call him scattershot in his
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Speaker 7: college tape, but he wasn't one of those guys that
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Speaker 7: was just precise all the time. But he has been
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Speaker 7: really precise.
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Speaker 4: In the NFL.
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Speaker 5: I think the one thing, and this gets lost is
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Speaker 5: a big part of accuracy is not physical.
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Speaker 2: It's it's mental and knowing where to throw the football.
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Speaker 5: Because if you know where to throw the football based
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Speaker 5: on the coverage, which you and I have talked about right,
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Speaker 5: you're gonna get to a better open guy as opposed
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Speaker 5: to let me just drop back and I'll go through
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Speaker 5: and maybe I feel like that guy's open.
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Speaker 2: And I'll throw it.
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Speaker 5: When you know the intent of what you're supposed to do,
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Speaker 5: that actually allows you to have better completion percentage because
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Speaker 5: you're getting to the guy that's the let's call it
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Speaker 5: the not the number one read or whatever, but the
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Speaker 5: guy who's probably in the progression based on the coverage
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Speaker 5: where you need to go. And I think obviously the
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Speaker 5: physical side, I've seen him really improve in pocket presence,
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Speaker 5: stepping up into the pocket instead of drifting.
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Speaker 2: That's obviously goes a credit.
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Speaker 5: To his work with Josh and Ashton Grant and Riley Larkin,
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Speaker 5: the guys that are there in the quarterback room with
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Speaker 5: them and doing those drills, but also his understanding of
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Speaker 5: this offense and that you know how many guys lead
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Speaker 5: the league in completion percentage but also in yards per attempt,
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Speaker 5: and that's because when he takes those shots, that's where
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Speaker 5: he's supposed to go with the football. He's not forcing them,
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Speaker 5: and so that's been the most impressing thing because he
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Speaker 5: looks calm and composed, exactly.
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Speaker 4: He's never frenetic. I never.
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Speaker 7: So here's a question for you, because I think one
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Speaker 7: of the things, and I would assume this comes with experience.
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Speaker 7: What I really like about him is his willingness to
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Speaker 7: stay in the pocket and squeezed pockets and.
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Speaker 4: Still deliver the football.
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Speaker 7: But at times he'll stay too long, which is why
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Speaker 7: he gets sacked.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 7: Now, is that just a feel thing that comes with experience, Yeah,
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Speaker 7: I think so.
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Speaker 2: Look, I was never a guy who was going to
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Speaker 2: pull the ball down and run.
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Speaker 5: But I think there's a there's a part of his
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Speaker 5: you know, whether it's conscious or unconscious, and he's had
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Speaker 5: successes like I don't want to have to use my
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Speaker 5: legs if I don't have to. Now, we saw Rabel
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Speaker 5: in the in the Denver game, miked up afterwards saying, hey,
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Speaker 5: you got to make some plays with their legs.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead and do it. Like it's a balance in
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Speaker 4: the nature of that game too. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: But I think what they've taught Drake is go through
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Speaker 5: the progression, go with what the defense is telling you.
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Speaker 5: But if you see you know the ce's part, like
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Speaker 5: that's a dynamic part of your game. And so I
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Speaker 5: think That's what makes him so unique is he's not
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Speaker 5: forcing the right right He's actually trying.
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Speaker 2: To play quarterback and do it the right way.
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Speaker 5: But as to your point, I think he's big and strong,
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Speaker 5: and he thinks I can hang in here and I
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Speaker 5: can still throw it and there's guys around me. Now
9:14
Speaker 5: all of a sudden the ball gets loose, and that's
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Speaker 5: what some of those fumbles right right, I'm curious three
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Speaker 5: I mean twice in New England and once in Vegas.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that makes people ask me this all the time.
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Speaker 5: And I think it goes back to his experience and
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Speaker 5: the way that this offense was built was obviously Josh
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Speaker 5: is very smart and very innovative, and so is Tom Brady,
9:40
Speaker 5: and so were the players that were around those guys,
9:43
Speaker 5: and so each year you were able to peel back
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Speaker 5: the layers of the onions, so to speak, and add
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Speaker 5: very intricate, very detailed levels to this offense. It's not
9:53
Speaker 5: it's a game plan offense. What they ran against Denver
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Speaker 5: they may not run against Seattle. But they have a
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Speaker 5: very good base foundation. And Josh is as good at
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Speaker 5: anybody as watching the opponent figuring out, you know, what
10:06
Speaker 5: are their strengths, what are their weaknesses, how do we
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Speaker 5: protect against their strengths, how do we attack their weaknesses?
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Speaker 5: And all by the while adjusting on the fly. Like
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Speaker 5: when we beat the Rams in Super Bowl fifty three,
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Speaker 5: we practiced for two weeks, Wade Phillips. We had a target,
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Speaker 5: We knew exactly what they did, how they were going
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Speaker 5: to do it.
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Speaker 2: We get to the game, they've completely changed everything.
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Speaker 5: Really, they have changed their defense because they knew if
10:29
Speaker 5: they were a sitting target like Brady and McDaniels, so
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Speaker 5: on the sideline, we are literally adjusting the game plan.
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Speaker 5: And finally, in that I guess it was the fourth quarter,
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Speaker 5: Josh pulls the entire offense up. He says, look, I
10:42
Speaker 5: know we put a lot of work in at this
10:43
Speaker 5: for two weeks. If we don't come up with a
10:46
Speaker 5: new plan right here, right now, we are not going
10:48
Speaker 5: to be able to move and score this.
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Speaker 2: We were moving the ball, we couldn't score on them.
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Speaker 5: So we developed this new package and it was basically
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Speaker 5: a big package where we put Gronk, Dwayne Allen, Devlin,
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Speaker 5: Sony Michelle, and Edelman because it was the only way
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Speaker 5: we were gonna get their base defense on the field.
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Speaker 5: If we put James White back there, didn't matter who
11:07
Speaker 5: else was in, they were gonna play Nickel and we
11:08
Speaker 5: didn't want to have to do that. So that's that
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Speaker 5: famous drive where we're basically in like thirteen or twelve
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Speaker 5: ball down, so we got we've gotten that personnel to
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Speaker 5: throw the recall.
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah on that.
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Speaker 6: Okay, you mentioned McDaniel and kind of what's going on
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Speaker 6: in the league. Why do you think a guy like
11:29
Speaker 6: McDaniel flourishes in this role but maybe not as the
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Speaker 6: main guy.
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Speaker 5: I was in Vegas with him when he was the
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Speaker 5: head coach, and I thought it was the greatest setup ever.
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Speaker 4: I mean it was.
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Speaker 5: It was all the great things of New England and
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Speaker 5: in a place where it wasn't all doom and gloom.
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Speaker 5: But since some of the players out there they saw
11:43
Speaker 5: it as doom and gloom, and I think, and I
11:45
Speaker 5: look at that situation, those guys out there, and I
11:48
Speaker 5: did something with Gruden this morning, and I don't know
11:50
Speaker 5: how you cannot love this guy. Those guys in Vegas
11:52
Speaker 5: they loved John Gruden. They wanted him to be their
11:55
Speaker 5: head coach. Okay, he doesn't work out, you know, because
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Speaker 5: of all those reasons. Then Bisacia come and it takes over.
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Speaker 5: And they loved Bisacia, so he was a good coach.
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Speaker 5: So when when Josh gets hired, you got a whole
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Speaker 5: team of they love the one guy, they love the
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Speaker 5: next guy. Here comes a guy from New England and
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Speaker 5: then New England hate is real. I know, I'm talking
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Speaker 5: to a Philly station and you guys been, I promise
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Speaker 5: you when I would go to other places, I'm like,
12:15
Speaker 5: I don't get it, Like why why did it? Why
12:17
Speaker 5: does everyone hate the Patriots?
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 5: And so you know, he comes into that situation and uh,
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Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't like how he was treated at
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Speaker 5: the end there, and I witnessed that firsthand.
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Speaker 2: He's a great coach.
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Speaker 5: He he obviously the offensive side of the football, but
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Speaker 5: he understands football in general. He understands defense because he
12:36
Speaker 5: started off on the defense side in New England and
12:39
Speaker 5: he's been with Bill and he's kind of created his
12:42
Speaker 5: own personality to it. So, look, I think he got
12:45
Speaker 5: the short end of the stick. I think, you know,
12:47
Speaker 5: it probably not likely in the near future, but I
12:50
Speaker 5: think down the road you could see him getting another chance.
12:52
Speaker 4: Well let's flip the script.
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Speaker 7: If I could Yeah, you obviously know the Shanahan offense
12:56
Speaker 7: too because you were there.
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Speaker 6: So now, oh way, Brian Hoyer is the voice you're
13:01
Speaker 6: hearing answering a lot of these questions just for the b.
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Speaker 4: Pay no, no, you're right.
13:06
Speaker 7: So why do you think that Donald, because obviously when
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Speaker 7: he was he was with Kyle for a year and
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Speaker 7: then he went to O'Connell and O'Connell has a lot
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Speaker 7: of them McVeigh Shanahan to him, and now he's with Kobiak.
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Speaker 7: Why does in your mind, does that really work well
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Speaker 7: with Donald?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think you obviously the system, but also the situation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy goes to New York. It's not
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Speaker 2: a good situation.
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Speaker 5: He doesn't have the right people around him to support him,
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Speaker 5: and not just coaches but players, and I would say
13:32
Speaker 5: even the organization, infrastructure, the infrastructure, same thing in Carolina.
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Speaker 5: I think going and having a reset year in San
13:38
Speaker 5: Francisco where there wasn't any pressure on him, he was
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Speaker 5: the backup quarterback. He could spend all that time with
13:43
Speaker 5: Kyle and the way Kyle teaches offense and learn and
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Speaker 5: in a weird way, like he never had an opportunity
13:48
Speaker 5: to learn from anyone, Right, he was thrown in the
13:49
Speaker 5: fire right away. You watch Brock perty and Brock has
13:52
Speaker 5: obviously become a really good quarterback. And then go to
13:54
Speaker 5: Minnesota and I'm sure you know there was talk that
13:57
Speaker 5: JJ McCarty was going to beat him out two years ago, right,
13:59
Speaker 5: and played pretty good in that preseason, But he has
14:01
Speaker 5: the injury. Sam gets the opportunity, he's got coaching, he's
14:05
Speaker 5: got players around him, he's got a good defense on
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Speaker 5: the other side, and he was finally able to settle
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Speaker 5: in and be himself. And so I would say obviously
14:12
Speaker 5: him going to Seattle, the fact that Kubiak was there,
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Speaker 5: who is the guy there in San Francisco with him
14:17
Speaker 5: in that year where maybe he kind of could catch
14:19
Speaker 5: his breath and learn how to play the game the
14:21
Speaker 5: right way. I think that was a huge factor to
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Speaker 5: his success this season.
14:24
Speaker 4: I love it.
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Speaker 2: I love it for him.
14:26
Speaker 5: I love it for guys like Baker Mayfield who go
14:28
Speaker 5: and find their way or Daniel Jones. I mean, maybe
14:30
Speaker 5: mac Jones is now the next in line to do that,
14:33
Speaker 5: goes out and kind of reclaims his career in San
14:35
Speaker 5: Francisco with Kyle, But that system is built to really
14:39
Speaker 5: make it easy on the quarterback. It's run the football,
14:43
Speaker 5: it's run play action and get chunk plays.
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Speaker 2: It's run boots, all things that Darnold is really good at.
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Speaker 5: And by the while, you ad JSN, who, in my opinion,
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Speaker 5: is probably the most well rounded receiver in the league
14:53
Speaker 5: right now. He can play inside, he can play outside
14:55
Speaker 5: man coverage, his own coverage. I loved how Brady had
14:58
Speaker 5: during the broadcast last week, talked about why he made
15:01
Speaker 5: him so good. He's like, he's like he's a figure skater.
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Speaker 5: He can go left right, his his shoulder plane never dips. Like, yeah,
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Speaker 5: this guy is running these routes. He's so smooth that
15:10
Speaker 5: these defensive backs they don't know which way he's going.
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Speaker 5: And I just saw Ocho Cinco here and I got
15:15
Speaker 5: to spend time with Ocho uh in twenty eleven. And
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Speaker 5: when you when you talk about a guy who can
15:20
Speaker 5: go full speed and he can run a comeback, he
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Speaker 5: can run an in cut, he can run a curl,
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Speaker 5: he can run a post like that becomes really hard
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Speaker 5: on the defensive backs.
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Speaker 2: Wow, definitely.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 6: You know, listening to Brady talk about Jackson Smith and
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Speaker 6: Jigbit and you think about their offense. They get him
15:37
Speaker 6: the ball all the time, and like a guy that
15:40
Speaker 6: you're like, well, there's the other I mean, yeah, she
15:42
Speaker 6: heat is kind of like the deep threat there. So
15:44
Speaker 6: they do such a good job of getting one guy
15:47
Speaker 6: the ball because when you look at their offense, it's
15:48
Speaker 6: not this offense it's got like much like in Philly
15:51
Speaker 6: where you're like, well, how do you take Aeric Brown?
15:53
Speaker 6: What do you do with Smith? And then you got
15:54
Speaker 6: Saquan And that's why it's very unique that their offense
15:58
Speaker 6: is able to do what they do with really one
16:01
Speaker 6: big weapon.
16:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Kubiak the way he uses them,
16:04
Speaker 5: like the touchdown in the in the Championshi game where
16:06
Speaker 5: he motions them to the backfield and now all of
16:08
Speaker 5: a sudden, and you know they had a stack receivers
16:11
Speaker 5: over here to the left. Now when you come to
16:13
Speaker 5: that backfield and their stack, you know that that triggers
16:16
Speaker 5: an adjustment and cover four to box and that's where
16:18
Speaker 5: you know they make this box with the defenders and
16:20
Speaker 5: now you get him out of the backfield in the
16:22
Speaker 5: middle of the box running the flag.
16:24
Speaker 2: And it's it's such a good, you know, well well
16:26
Speaker 2: designed plays.
16:27
Speaker 4: I saw that play just to show you how sick
16:29
Speaker 4: I am. Brian, you know what? You know what play?
16:31
Speaker 4: You know what play that popped upmediately into my head?
16:33
Speaker 7: Which one when Kyle in twenty sixteen was the OC
16:37
Speaker 7: for the Falcons.
16:38
Speaker 4: Falcons, yep, and he threw a touchdown against Seattle to
16:40
Speaker 4: Tevin Coleman.
16:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know he ran the flag out of the back.
16:43
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, exactly because I played for Kyle the
16:45
Speaker 5: next year. It wasxact same play. Yeah, exactly, exact same play,
16:49
Speaker 5: but Tevin Coleman was actually running back in JS as
16:51
Speaker 5: a receiver.
16:52
Speaker 2: So but I concept of the exact.
16:54
Speaker 8: Saying yeah, yeah, yeah, we got.
17:01
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you Donald.
17:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, first and foremost, I do want
17:12
Speaker 5: to say this, and and and I feel like it's
17:14
Speaker 5: not being talked about a lot. He led the league
17:18
Speaker 5: and quarterbacks in turnovers this year fourteen interceptions.
17:22
Speaker 2: I think it was what six MS lost.
17:25
Speaker 5: That's so there's a recency buas he hasn't had a
17:28
Speaker 5: game like that in a while. But in a way,
17:32
Speaker 5: you know, that could be the downfall of the Seahawks
17:34
Speaker 5: in this game.
17:34
Speaker 2: If the Patriots can stop the run.
17:36
Speaker 5: Early, take away some of the easy boots and the
17:39
Speaker 5: play actions and turn this into the drop back game
17:43
Speaker 5: by Seattle. And we know when he's faced pressure, it's
17:46
Speaker 5: either a turnover or a big play.
17:48
Speaker 2: Like it's fifty to fifty, you don't know what you're
17:50
Speaker 2: gonna get.
17:50
Speaker 5: And so I have to imagine that the defensive game
17:53
Speaker 5: plan for the Patriots is to make Donald beat you
17:56
Speaker 5: from the pocket.
17:57
Speaker 2: Don't let him get out.
17:57
Speaker 5: He's he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league
18:00
Speaker 5: throwing on the run outside the pocket. I mean, he's athletic,
18:02
Speaker 5: he's got a hell of an arm yep. You got
18:04
Speaker 5: to contain him. You got to make sure that you
18:06
Speaker 5: push the middle of the pocket with good rush lanes
18:09
Speaker 5: and try to throw make them beat you from the Well.
18:11
Speaker 7: Well, it's funny you say that about stopping the run,
18:13
Speaker 7: because one thing that because of Rabel being with Bill
18:16
Speaker 7: for so many years that they've been able to do
18:18
Speaker 7: the Seahawks against other teams, which I would imagine the Patriots.
18:21
Speaker 4: Will stop is setting the edge, because.
18:24
Speaker 7: The Seahawks have been able to get to the edge
18:27
Speaker 7: a lot in recent weeks, and I can't imagine that
18:30
Speaker 7: the Patriots are.
18:31
Speaker 4: Going to allow that to happen.
18:32
Speaker 2: I think just based on.
18:33
Speaker 6: Now.
18:33
Speaker 5: I'd never played with Rabel, but I came in right
18:35
Speaker 5: after he left, and when the one thing I can
18:38
Speaker 5: remember Bill saying to the defense all the time, set
18:40
Speaker 5: the edge right, and no one set the edge better
18:43
Speaker 5: than Mike Rabel, right. And so you know, as a player,
18:45
Speaker 5: if he did something really well, what is he gonna
18:47
Speaker 5: want his team?
18:48
Speaker 4: Right?
18:49
Speaker 2: So I think that's the thing.
18:50
Speaker 5: You know, because they run a ton of outside zone, right,
18:53
Speaker 5: and so having been in that West Coast system, everything
18:56
Speaker 5: is off of the outside zone, and what they do
18:58
Speaker 5: really well is and I can hear Cole in a
19:00
Speaker 5: run game install right now saying, you go to the
19:02
Speaker 5: D gap. If they give you the D gap, you
19:04
Speaker 5: go around the edge. If they if they set the edge, now,
19:07
Speaker 5: you go to the C gap. You keep working. And
19:09
Speaker 5: he goes, we may hit the backside B gap, but
19:13
Speaker 5: I want to hit it all the way to the
19:14
Speaker 5: at the numbers right. And so I think the Patriots,
19:17
Speaker 5: you're right, They're going to set the edge, and then
19:18
Speaker 5: everybody inside is going to have to have gap integrity
19:21
Speaker 5: and not try to overplay it because that's when Walker
19:24
Speaker 5: will cut it.
19:24
Speaker 7: Back and then the linebackers can't over exactly they have
19:27
Speaker 7: to stay.
19:27
Speaker 5: Yep, there are that West Coast outside zone scheme. All
19:31
Speaker 5: they're banking on is one guy getting out of his
19:33
Speaker 5: gap correct and if the back reads it correctly, and
19:36
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the Mike linebackers supposed to have
19:38
Speaker 5: the front side a gap and he overplays to the
19:40
Speaker 5: to the B or the C. That creates that crease.
19:43
Speaker 5: And that's what those guys they are hunting for that NonStop.
19:46
Speaker 2: That's what they do.
19:47
Speaker 5: That's where Kyle or Clinton in this case, is going
19:49
Speaker 5: to watch the tape and say, who's the guy who
19:51
Speaker 5: doesn't have gap integrity? All right, then maybe that's going
19:54
Speaker 5: to be the place where you cut this back and
19:55
Speaker 5: hit him.
19:56
Speaker 4: And you're exactly right, because I know that's the way
19:58
Speaker 4: they teach it.
19:58
Speaker 7: You start outside d and if it's closed off, you work,
20:01
Speaker 7: you keep working one gap inside exactly.
20:03
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yep.
20:08
Speaker 7: I would say Donald struggles at times when the pocket
20:10
Speaker 7: gets really muddied and you can see him speed up
20:13
Speaker 7: his body. You can almost it's not an X and
20:15
Speaker 7: no point, but you can see it.
20:16
Speaker 4: He speeds up.
20:17
Speaker 7: And so what happens is his mental process speeds up
20:20
Speaker 7: and his physical process speeds up.
20:22
Speaker 4: And that's when he'll throw.
20:23
Speaker 7: Balls, he'll lose a little bit of ball location and
20:26
Speaker 7: he doesn't see it exactly the way you should see it.
20:29
Speaker 6: So has he taken a step from Minnesota to Seattle
20:33
Speaker 6: or has that changed a.
20:34
Speaker 2: Little bit for him?
20:35
Speaker 6: Because everyone was like, well, Minnesota won fourteen games, Donald, right,
20:40
Speaker 6: but and then and then the one game. It's almost
20:43
Speaker 6: like people are judging him off that one game has made.
20:45
Speaker 7: The Well, that's because of his history, so correct when he,
20:48
Speaker 7: as Brian said, if he has the bad throw or whatever,
20:51
Speaker 7: people are gonna go there you go.
20:52
Speaker 4: We're waiting for exactly.
20:53
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the story of my career.
20:54
Speaker 5: I mean, you know when I would play well, everyone
20:57
Speaker 5: wi always say well, let's see, let's see, you know,
20:59
Speaker 5: and eventually you have a bad game, and then they're like, well,
21:02
Speaker 5: that's why he was undrafted, that's why he was cut. Like,
21:05
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody should really be judged off.
21:08
Speaker 4: Of one game.
21:09
Speaker 2: I thought, what Donald did?
21:10
Speaker 5: I think I thought Minnesota was crazy to let him
21:12
Speaker 5: walk out of the door, not knowing what you had
21:14
Speaker 5: in JJ McCarthy. I thought it was absolutely right just
21:18
Speaker 5: to not even offer him a deal, just say thanks
21:20
Speaker 5: Sam for everything.
21:21
Speaker 4: You've done. Best of luck to you.
21:23
Speaker 5: I just thought it was I thought it was crazy
21:24
Speaker 5: and sure enough. I mean, they have to be sick
21:26
Speaker 5: to their stomachs this week. They have to because they
21:28
Speaker 5: had a team that was ready to win.
21:30
Speaker 4: No question, no question.
21:31
Speaker 7: But I think, Adam, in response to your question, that's
21:33
Speaker 7: where Donald does have issues when when everything gets speeded
21:37
Speaker 7: up mentally and physically. Yeh, some quarterbacks, you know, some
21:46
Speaker 7: quarterbacks though, that's the way they play it.
21:47
Speaker 4: I mean Brady's feet would get stuck too.
21:49
Speaker 2: You want to be balanced. You want to be balanced
21:51
Speaker 2: in the pocket, right right, right. But we were talking
21:57
Speaker 2: about Greg. I remember getting to the Patriots.
21:59
Speaker 5: I remember watching Brady in practice and take a drop
22:01
Speaker 5: and literally just stopt.
22:03
Speaker 2: I was like, I've never seen this before.
22:05
Speaker 5: But for him, it was about having a base to
22:07
Speaker 5: be able to throw the football. And he could throw
22:09
Speaker 5: an eighteen yard comeback that way, he could throw a
22:12
Speaker 5: fifty yard post that way, he could throw the duke
22:14
Speaker 5: out over the ball. It was just his way of
22:15
Speaker 5: getting his feet in the ground and not being But I.
22:18
Speaker 2: Think what you're trying to talk about with Donold is
22:20
Speaker 2: it gets a little choppy. Yes, it starts to see.
22:22
Speaker 2: You know, all right, it wasn't there. What do I
22:24
Speaker 2: do now?
22:24
Speaker 5: And I think that's and as much as I'm happy
22:27
Speaker 5: for Sam, I think this game will come down to
22:30
Speaker 5: how does he handle all those situations?
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