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263. Chase Ealey, World Champion Shot Putter · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm always conscious of whether or not
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  Speaker 1: people are assuming things of me, thinking I'm not athletic,
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  Speaker 1: thinking I'm not like I don't have to train as
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  Speaker 1: hard because I just throw. People just think I just
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  Speaker 1: show up and I throw a big metal ball around,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, No, I run and I jump and
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  Speaker 1: I do things. You're like almost insecure, and I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not alone in that or throwers. Sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: feel insecure about whether or not they're looking at us
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  Speaker 1: like athletes.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Everyone, Emily A body Here.
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  Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and sixty three
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  Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast. Reconnect with everyone from
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  Speaker 3: your favorite athletes to tap experts and industry CEOs about
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  Speaker 3: their highest highes, toughest moments, and everything in between. We
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  Speaker 3: all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through
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  Speaker 3: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours
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  Speaker 3: and move with intention so that you can stride towards
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  Speaker 3: your own big potential and of course have some fun
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  Speaker 3: along the way.
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  Speaker 2: First and foremost, I know my voice is a little hoarse.
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  Speaker 3: I've been out here in Budapest cheering at the World
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  Speaker 3: Athletic championships, which leads me in to how rad and
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  Speaker 3: exciting today's guest is.
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  Speaker 2: I am chatting with Chase Ealy.
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  Speaker 3: She is a world champion shot putter and truly such
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  Speaker 3: an amazing human, truly hilarious. She talks to me today
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  Speaker 3: about how she got into shotput clearly not the most
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  Speaker 3: common sport, She's the first shot putter I've had on
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  Speaker 3: the show, and how that choice was heavily rooted in
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  Speaker 3: the conversations that she had surrounding her own body in sport.
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  Speaker 3: She confesses that she dealt a lot with her own
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  Speaker 3: perception of her body both in high school and in college,
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  Speaker 3: negative body shaming and being made to feel that she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a true.
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  Speaker 2: Athlete because of her size.
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  Speaker 3: She also stresses the importance of being mindful about the
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  Speaker 3: people closest to her in our conversation today, and spills
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  Speaker 3: what it was like for her to sign her first
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  Speaker 3: Nike contract. She also chats about her hopes for young
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  Speaker 3: women in sport moving forward, how she feels about the
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  Speaker 3: way that women of all shapes and sizes are being
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  Speaker 3: conveyed in the media today, and also what she's truly focused.
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  Speaker 2: On at this point in her career.
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  Speaker 3: Chase will be going after another world championship title this week,
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  Speaker 3: so best.
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  Speaker 2: Of luck to my girl.
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  Speaker 3: You know I'm cheering you on, and I'm sure the
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  Speaker 3: entire hurdle community is too. Make sure you're following along
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  Speaker 3: with that, let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: Today.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting down with Chase Eely. She is a shot putter,
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  Speaker 3: she's a world champ in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: How we do it today?
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  Speaker 4: Doing great? Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so amped to have you here. I love athlete stories.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's always really awesome when we have
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity to talk about maybe a modality that people
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  Speaker 3: don't know as much about.
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  Speaker 2: Here on Hurdle, I talk to everyone from God.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking to a track and field athlete
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  Speaker 3: to swimmers, gymnasts, you name it.
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  Speaker 2: So you're my first shot putter on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's great. I kind of feel special. We
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  Speaker 1: don't always get the most loved so sometimes it's like, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I know that when you got into shot put,
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  Speaker 3: you were a multi sport athlete on the track, what
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  Speaker 3: neede you decide to choose shotput over some of the
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  Speaker 3: more conventional options like sprinting.
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  Speaker 1: It all kind of came down to my college recruiting,
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  Speaker 1: so like I just remember like multi event coaches coming
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  Speaker 1: at me more so about like what we were going
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  Speaker 1: to do to change my body composition and stuff and
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  Speaker 1: like lead me into like becoming a multi and then
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  Speaker 1: sprint coaches kind of had the same kind of go
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  Speaker 1: about things as well. And then when I talked to
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  Speaker 1: throws coaches, they were always more curious about They would
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  Speaker 1: come to like my other athletic events, like my volleyball
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  Speaker 1: games and stuff to visit me, and they were way
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  Speaker 1: more worried about my athleticism and they never talked to
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  Speaker 1: me about like my body. And I think that now
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  Speaker 1: that I look back on it, I think that's what
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  Speaker 1: really attracted me to throwing and those coaches rather than
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  Speaker 1: the people who wanted me to do this, that and
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  Speaker 1: the other to get my body to do something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously you're a human verse before you're
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  Speaker 3: an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: It's so interesting, especially at that age.
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  Speaker 3: How did it make you feel when that was the
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  Speaker 3: first topic of conversation, like, Hi, nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about your body composition?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was always like a bigger sprinter
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, and it was it always broke my heart
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  Speaker 1: kind of like some of the things that they'd write
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  Speaker 1: about me in the papers and stuff. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it really like it messed with my self esteem even more.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember one of the most iconic lines was
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  Speaker 1: they called me a Mac truck with a Portion engine,
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  Speaker 1: and the guy was like really proud of that line.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember telling my mom, like at the end,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a girl, Like I'm a teenage girl,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't really want to be called that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think you meant it maliciously, but like
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that really I think affected my body image
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  Speaker 1: when I was young.
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  Speaker 2: Totally understandable.
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  Speaker 3: How could it not a Mac truck with a Porsche
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  Speaker 3: engine I'm like sitting here, my mouth kind of a gape,
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  Speaker 3: like how could any And I'm assuming this is like
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  Speaker 3: a male journalist hiding behind his little computer.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, and I think he genuinely thought like it was
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  Speaker 1: a compliment. And I'm like, just use your brain for
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  Speaker 1: five minutes. Like I'm a high school girl and you're
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  Speaker 1: basically saying I'm huge, but I have a good engine, Like.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: It always affected me, and I think having like sports
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  Speaker 1: professionals like throws coaches, when they were addressing me and
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  Speaker 1: talking to me, they never talked about my body once,
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  Speaker 1: even to this day, Like when I talk about weight
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  Speaker 1: goals and stuff with my coach now, it always comes
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  Speaker 1: from a place of like speed and movement, like how
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  Speaker 1: do I want to move in the ring? How do
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  Speaker 1: I feel here and there? It's never like your body
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  Speaker 1: needs to be this, like even if I lose like
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  Speaker 1: three kilos, Like I just lost three kilos and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, boom, I feel better and he's like cool,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, yeah, like wear your abs and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I mean these days, especially, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like talking about size is so taboo. It's so interesting
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  Speaker 3: as well to think about you being younger, were you
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  Speaker 3: dissuaded at all to be a sprinter because of your
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  Speaker 3: size at that time? And maybe just give a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of context, because I feel personally these days, even
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  Speaker 3: as a non professional athlete in my mid thirties, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I feel, you know, dissuaded from showing up to the
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  Speaker 3: track in my body.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny to say that, so like, sometimes this just
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  Speaker 1: happened to me in Germany. I went to this meeting.
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  Speaker 1: We pulled up and I was in the car, like
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  Speaker 1: the transport car with a high jumper and another maybe
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  Speaker 1: a middle distance runner, it's a runner. They were small,
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  Speaker 1: and we pulled up and I remember the people came
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  Speaker 1: up to me and us in the car and they said, oh, like,
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  Speaker 1: you guys ready and I said yeah, and then they
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  Speaker 1: were like, I bet you're ready for dinner and pointed
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  Speaker 1: at me.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, what is this And I literally went
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really bad group of thank you, but I
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  Speaker 4: literally was like, why would you say that to me?
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  Speaker 1: And I find it, like it's so disconcerting sometimes, like
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  Speaker 1: the way they talk about it is still in the
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  Speaker 1: media because again I don't think they mean it maliciously,
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  Speaker 1: but they'll say things like you know, like be careful.
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  Speaker 1: All the shot putters will eat all the food and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, like stop, Like there's just this misconception.
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  Speaker 1: It's like really irritating, but yeah, it kind of hurts.
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  Speaker 1: And like I was looking at another sports ad I
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  Speaker 1: won't be specific the other day, and I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I keep seeing like plus size representation in sports ads,
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  Speaker 1: but they're always like they're typically by themselves, but when
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  Speaker 1: you see like the group sports ads, but it would
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  Speaker 1: be like all these people kind of like together, you'll
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  Speaker 1: never see it there. And I was looking at one
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  Speaker 1: the other day and I kind of was like, man,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of sucks, like because when I was younger,
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  Speaker 1: it would have been nice to see someone that looked
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  Speaker 1: like me trying to run or doing something.
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  Speaker 3: But when you first started, did you feel dissuaded from
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  Speaker 3: showing up to the track because you weren't seeing women
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  Speaker 3: that looked like you in conventional media?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that was what I was thinking earlier,
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  Speaker 1: is like when I remember seeing that ad and like
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  Speaker 1: I kind of brought me back where I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like we take those steps, but sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they seem like there's like a swing and a miss.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes when it comes to like we're representing all and
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  Speaker 1: it's like yeah, but like sometimes I don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's always fully realized as well, and there's always
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  Speaker 1: like one way to look at like sports bodies, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's always hard to like show up to the track,
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  Speaker 1: show up to meets and stuff. I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: always conscious of whether or not people are assuming things
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  Speaker 1: of me, thinking I'm not athletic, thinking I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to train as hard because I just
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  Speaker 1: throw what you hear a lot like people just think
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  Speaker 1: I just show up and I throw a big metal
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  Speaker 1: ball around, and I'm like, no, I run and I
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  Speaker 1: jump and I do things. But like, yeah, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: like almost insecure, and I feel like I'm not alone
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  Speaker 1: in that or throwers. Sometimes I feel insecure about like
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  Speaker 1: whether or not they're looking at us like athletes.
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  Speaker 3: It must take a lot of unnecessary energy away from
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  Speaker 3: you when your head is there, when you'd rather be
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  Speaker 3: paying attention and giving that energy to your sport, to
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  Speaker 3: your event.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Fully, there's like the self consciousness that I feel sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: like in the WRM of Baria and other things, I
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  Speaker 1: think definitely takes away sometimes some of the mental energy
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  Speaker 1: I need to be spending on myself, but I'll be
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  Speaker 1: warming up and like I just I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: always worried that people will see me running and stuff
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  Speaker 1: and be like judging me and that it might not
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  Speaker 1: be true. But like those things are like in my
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  Speaker 1: head now they're like ingrained.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I know that you have worked with sports psychologists
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  Speaker 3: over your time thus far as an athlete, it has
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  Speaker 3: this been an area that you have worked with worked
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  Speaker 3: with them on.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of funny that you asked that, because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I haven't really brought it up much ever,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's because I'm honestly, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to seem like weak in that regard,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like that's weird for me because I've
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  Speaker 1: been I'm usually pretty open, like especially with my sports
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  Speaker 1: psych and she she's great, but I think sometimes like
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  Speaker 1: you hold back a little bit when you're talking to anybody,
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  Speaker 1: even like you're psychologist or whatever, because like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to seem like I'm I'm so worried about that
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like it might look like I'm not
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  Speaker 1: the confident athlete that I know I am, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: that can be like really vulnerable, I think, and it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a worry. Also, my sports psych is
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  Speaker 1: a runner, so I don't think she'd understand me.
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  Speaker 3: Re evaluates completely the woman that she's working with as
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  Speaker 3: are sports psychologists. First and foremost, thank you for sharing
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  Speaker 3: this with me and in turn the listeners, because it's
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  Speaker 3: very relatable. It's as though we think that if we
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  Speaker 3: just shove something to the side sometimes then me it
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  Speaker 3: won't come up and we can focus on these other things.
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  Speaker 3: But what happens in the act of the shoving is
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  Speaker 3: that that really just gets under and prevents us from
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  Speaker 3: focusing on what we really want to focus on because
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  Speaker 3: we're not handling our other baggage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally for sure. That's very me, especially when it
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  Speaker 1: comes that issue. But I'm finding myself now and like
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  Speaker 1: doing these things, Like, I'm finding it easier now to
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  Speaker 1: kind of open up because every time I've opened up
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  Speaker 1: about things like, it's usually followed with people being like,
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  Speaker 1: oh me too, or I'm so glad somebody said this,
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  Speaker 1: like and so it's it's kind of pushed me a
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  Speaker 1: little more and more like to start talking more about
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  Speaker 1: those vulnerable things, which is why I like, even now
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like it's almost like it just like
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  Speaker 1: can do it. It's weird, Like just now it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I just said that.
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  Speaker 4: Cool?
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  Speaker 3: How does that make you feel when you're talking about
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  Speaker 3: it more in the process of talking about it before
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  Speaker 3: you receive that external validation or feedback.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you just need to put things out there, don't you. Like,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you stuff in I think, and it just needs
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  Speaker 1: to be said to even start like kind of fixing
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  Speaker 1: it and turning those gears of you being like, oh hmm,
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  Speaker 1: now that I say it out loud, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: like I'm kind of looking at it in a different
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  Speaker 1: light already, Like now that I said it, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that explains certain things that like maybe I wasn't quite
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  Speaker 1: attributing to that as a reason.
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  Speaker 2: For totally and like just learning about yourself.
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  Speaker 3: We talked at the top of this about you being
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  Speaker 3: a multi sport athlete and leaning into shotput because it
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  Speaker 3: was more about your athleticism and less about people talking
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  Speaker 3: about your body. When you make the choice to lean
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  Speaker 3: fully into shotput, what happens for you.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, like when I went to school, and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like honestly, it was like a blessing and a
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  Speaker 1: curse in that regard. So like I felt like from
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  Speaker 1: the group I was in, you're surrounded by people who
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  Speaker 1: are like kind of in the same boat as you,
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  Speaker 1: which is great, but it was kind of the same
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  Speaker 1: thing in respect of like the other sports around, like
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  Speaker 1: in the college setting, because we're all around each other.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of that, like that,
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  Speaker 1: that self criticism and stuff started like leaking in in
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  Speaker 1: college mainly because I felt better about being addressed as
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  Speaker 1: an athlete. But then I was back in the boat
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  Speaker 1: where like people were looking at me like what do
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  Speaker 1: you even do? And you're like ough, Like like they
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  Speaker 1: look at you like you don't long and in the
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  Speaker 1: sports spaces because you don't necessarily look like a traditional
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  Speaker 1: I did air quotes like people can see, but like
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  Speaker 1: a traditional athlete would look. And I think that that
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  Speaker 1: kind of started the ball rolling. And I definitely had,
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  Speaker 1: like I think my biggest self image issues were in
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  Speaker 1: college for sure, Like I struggled with it quite heavily.
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  Speaker 3: And in that struggle, if you don't mind sharing, what
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  Speaker 3: did that look like for you?
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  Speaker 1: I definitely like I never talked about this either, But
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  Speaker 1: like there was definitely some disordered eating in my life
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  Speaker 1: for sure, and I think a lot of that stemmed
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  Speaker 1: from like being with it was.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, you go up to the next level.
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  Speaker 1: So I went from like high school and I was
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  Speaker 1: quite good and all this stuff and those things were
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  Speaker 1: kind of poking at me. Then you go to the
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  Speaker 1: next level, and it's like it's way more obvious, so
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  Speaker 1: like now there's pictures of me, Now there's people writing articles.
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  Speaker 1: Like now it's a bit more like you go up
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  Speaker 1: to the next level, so it's a bit more in
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  Speaker 1: your face, like you're really being like assessed even more.
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  Speaker 1: And I think like I started like really struggling for
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  Speaker 1: my first two years of college. It got better after
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  Speaker 1: like the end of my junior year, but my first
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  Speaker 1: two years of college was definitely like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like struggle with myself as a person, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that that was from me losing track of like person,
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  Speaker 1: athlete thing in all of that body.
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  Speaker 3: I mention, what would you attribute to helping it get
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  Speaker 3: better come your junior year.
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  Speaker 1: I left like a really toxic relationship at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year, and I got a new coach that
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  Speaker 1: was coming in and I'm still close with him to
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  Speaker 1: this day. He was just like really good for me,
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  Speaker 1: I think overall, and I think that's really what it
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  Speaker 1: kind of started, the ball rolling on me making or
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  Speaker 1: I surround myself with the right people. And it took
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of steps and stuff. But like I think,
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  Speaker 1: starting at the beginning of this year is when I
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  Speaker 1: would say, is when I finally have like the perfect
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  Speaker 1: like perfect like group of people around me, because there's
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  Speaker 1: always the one that sneaks in, you know, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, totally understandable.
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  Speaker 3: And also you really painting this picture that that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: something that happened overnight. Right we we're talking between college
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  Speaker 3: and now you're twenty nine. Now, yeah, okay, you're twenty nine.
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  Speaker 3: That's eight years of your life where you were homing
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  Speaker 3: in on the right community that supports you and makes
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: you feel like your best self, and that is something
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: that does take time.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: That's what people like I would want people to know
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the most out of like my story for sure, like
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: because I've had some huge up and downs like throughout
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: my career, and I think the one thing I would
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: say is like, it's a what do they say, it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: not a sprint?
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: It's a it's of sprend It's Americas a marathon.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that holds really true to like that kind of thing,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: because to me, I thought I would try and like
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, this is perfect. You know, you fake
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it till you make it sometimes because you want it
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to be perfect. And I think I finally realized, like
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: it's okay to like take your time and assess things
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and determine relationships and stuff like You're not gonna know
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: whether or not someone's good for you like in two minutes.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's fine that, like it takes you
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: a while to get where you need to be. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: think people want to be in their perfect place in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: their early twenties, and I'm like, it's never gonna happen.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Just accept that totally.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: And So you talked about some of these really difficult
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: moments that you've.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Had throughout your career.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I know, first and foremost, I mean, you had been
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: a favorite going into the Tokyo Olympics for qualifications. Talk
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: to us about what went down and how you were
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: able to come back from that hurdle to get to
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: where you there are now.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was a brutal time. I got long
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: COVID at the was at the end of twenty twenty
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in the beginning of twenty twenty one, and it made
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: me really ill and I lost like I think it
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: was like sixty eight pounds in three months or something crazy,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: something very not healthy. I should have I could have died.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And I think as an athlete, regardless of strength athlete
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: or not, like just losing your body composition and not
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: knowing what body you're in is a problem. And that's
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: where I was, and I think I never mentally like
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: regained myself again after that. I struggled for a long time.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Mentally.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: There was like physical signs like where I would still
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: do some crazy things in training and stuff, but like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: my head wasn't there. And I think that was when
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I really started to like kind of dig down and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I stopped talking to my sports psych as much, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I kind of went into this hole in this darkness,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: and then I kind of started to come out of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it right before trials and I was like okay, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like I can do this. I'm this, I'm that, I'm
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm training fine now, like I'm putting on a little
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: more weight, like we can do this. And then the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: fake it till you make it that I was definitely
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: trying to do, like all came to a head like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: on that night. And the problem with like the USA
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: is at Olympic Trials, like you have to be in
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: your a game. It's not just I gotta go to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: qualify because I'm the only one. It's it's you have
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to be there, like especially in like shot put, like
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: we're the best in the world men and women in shotput.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And I think it just it didn't work, and it
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: broke my heart, and I remember crying all night and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't really call anyone.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't talk to anymore. I just kind of cried.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And then after that I kind of picked myself up
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: by the bootstraps and I was like, okay, like never again,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It's what I kept saying, like never again, am I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: not going to make a team. Never again, am I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: gonna like get this low? And I just started like
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: working really hard. Remember I threw quite far. By the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: end of the year. I threw like the fourth furthest
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: throw of the year or something like that, which sucks
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: when you didn't even go to the the major competition
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: of the year. And then after that I ended up
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: going to the UK, and that's kind of where it
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: all came to a head. When I got a new
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: coach and my now fiance and all that stuff. It
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: was like this like relief of maybe I'm not throwing
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the best right now, but at least I'm like happy,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and then happy happy me as a person turned into
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: like successful athlete like real fast.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, thank you for sharing that. There's so
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: much power into things that you said.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: First and foremost not knowing what body you're in, like
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: not having the awareness, and I think that freeze in
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: itself what body you're in is so interesting because it
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: speaks to what we were talking about just before, knowing
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: how you feel your best right and it's not based
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: on what anybody else has to say or the number
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: on a scale. It is how do I feel in
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: my body right now and what body is the right
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: body for me in this moment and that can have
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and flow over time.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I think I've had a lot of different successful bodies,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Like in twenty nineteen, I was definitely like a different weight,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: body composition all that, and that's fine, Like I don't
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: look back and gough like, but that was I was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: starting successful then and then now, like last year, even
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I was a completely different body composition than I am now,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and it's all been like kind of too adjust to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: my technique. And I don't really look at it as
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like how I want to look. Everything is about like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the event, Like I am literally only worried about like
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: how I throw. I could care less about like how
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I look anymore. And I know how I need to feel,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like you said, you know how you need to feel
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: like and I know exactly when I'm throwing. If I'm
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a little too heavy, I'll just take it back a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: couple of kilos and that's fine. But I'm not gonna
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: be like I'm losing thirty pounds, you know.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I totally hear you. And then that sentiment
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: so powerful never again. I would be remiss if I
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: didn't say that. It is one of those things that
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: you commit to, that mentality. Right, You got to this
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: place where you said to yourself, never again, won't I
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: make a team?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Never again? Am I gonna let myself get here?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: But you had to go through all of the you know, days, weeks, months,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: whatever the period of time was, to get to the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: point where you could actually say never again. Because I
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: think some people hear something like that and they're like, Okay, well,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: today's the day I'm going to say never again. But
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: if you're not ready for never again, not to say that,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: like there's a moment where you can like jump off
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the diving board and it's like Okay, here we go.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: You're not always going to be ready, but sometimes you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: need to get to a place where you're like, Okay,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I am capable of never again right now.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I think I knew, like in that moment. I remember
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I woke up the next morning and I just kind
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of laid there in bed and then I would that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was like my moment, and I was like, nope, I'm
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: doing this anymore. Like I'm not feeling I don't want
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to feel this way as an athlete, none of it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And and I didn't necessarily put that to like I
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: needed like all these tangible examples of like like why
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a good athlete.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't need all the medals and all that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Like the real thing was like not not letting myself
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: be mentally drained, not not addressing like all the mental
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: issues I was having, like actually being like I need
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to do this, this, this, I need to talk to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: someone like and sorting that out. And it was much
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: less about like like getting medals and winning all this
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and that, but a lot more about like never again
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: feeling that way, like I hadn't really done the things
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I needed to do to get my head right.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Do you remember what some of the action items were
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: so to speak on that list.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: To like do yeah, oh yeah, totally. I was like, Okay,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I need to talk to Lenny again. That's she was
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: my swort psych and I was like, I need to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I need to start actually training in the gym. Stop
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: like cause there were days where I just would I'd
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: be so depressed and I wouldn't go do my lift
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: because I just was so sad about like where I was,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and so I was like, no more like wallowing was
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna wallow anymore and like
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: complain because that's why I'm here. And so it just
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: turned into like this thing where I was like positive,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: like just be positive, like if you don't feel good,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like I'm not saying pick yourself up by the bootstraps
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and get out of bed and go. But it's like steps.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So like today I wasn't feeling the best, so I'm
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: gonna lift tomorrow. So today I did a bunch of recovery.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You can ebb and flow like everything. And I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: people have this thing where they immediately go, I didn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: do the thing on my schedule, like it's the end
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of the world. I should be ashamed, I should feel bad,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and instead of being negative, just go, oh, I like
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I can't really see myself getting to the gym today. Okay,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: so then go on a walk around the block literally
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: five minutes, like, go do some recovery roll like that's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like what I've done is like I've been like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it's okay to like not do the biggest thing, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: do something small and it's fine.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: H do something small and it's fine.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Also, what I love about all of those examples is
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: each of them, in their own right, can be just
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: one small thing. And also, hearing you talk about it,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the emphasis that every single second is your chance to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: start anew is really powerful, right because you don't have
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: to let one missed workout one meal where you feel
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: like you quote unquote did the wrong thing one day
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: where you didn't journal, like that one thing doesn't have
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: to ruin quote unquote everything. You have the chance one
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: second from right now, in this very moment, to start
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: fresh and take back the control that you feel as
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: though you've lost.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And that's like anybody too, to me, not even just athletes,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that's just like humans. I think there's just like this
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: misconception like in today's society, like if you haven't done
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: this in you're a failure or whatever, or people make
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you feel like if you don't do a task that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you want plan to do that you should be ashamed
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of yourself. And to me, I'm like, no, like maybe
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: they weren't ready to do that, Like, so do something else,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Like just do something you.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Know to mean something.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: So for contacts, you start throwing in high school, a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: shot puts eight point eight pounds, you realize or have
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: a sense of how it gets easier over time as
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: you gain this strength.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Oh totally. I think it was funny.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I went to college and I think I've talked to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this to a lot of Europeans because they have a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: completely different system over here. But in college, I think
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: one thing the NCAA does well is like like workouts,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like building muscle, getting strong, doing things that like are
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: applicable to like specific sports or events. So I feel
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: like when I got there, it was like, oh, like
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this is lifting, Like I'm lifting, I'm actually lifting this
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: great And so I think I just like I was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: so strong, and I remember my freshman year, I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I'd peep beat by like a meter and a half
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: because I just by being a little stronger. And like,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think that was kind of nice too, like there
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: was like, oh I'm strong, Like I kind of liked it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But like I think even then, girls weren't exactly like
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like the push for like girls to be strong,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Like that's kind of like new age, new age, new age.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that that's only like two
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: years old, where it's like, oh, girls can hit weights,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, like like a regular daily girl who like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: works a normal job can go to the weight room
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and get strong. And I love that because back then
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like, oh I'm strong, but I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't want to be too strong.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You know, you're still gonna be a girl. And I'm like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: oh not never that now, just like trying to be
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: as strong as possible.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Never that.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I was the fitness editor Itself magazine back in two
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: thousand and sixteen, and it was during that time when
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I was really into a CrossFit phase, and I remember
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: being the person that proposed and then successfully got like
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: different aspects of CrossFit, whether it was us talking about
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: CrossFit gear or featuring a CrossFit athlete, And these were
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: conversations that were never in the picture for self before
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: because of what you're saying.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, does she feel comfortable doing this? Is
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: she doing this? And I was like, she's doing it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: There are now more CrossFit boxes than Starbucks locations, Like
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: we need to be cognizant of the fact that this
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: is here to stay.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it too, Like I think I was
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: just I was even at like I'm talking to like
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: some Nike people about it too, and I said, like
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: there's a new like wave and it's strength training, Like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: people are in that weight room and people are put
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: mars above their head, Like there needs to be like
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: an adreas, like it's not addressed to me, and like
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the main clothing companies, you know, there's like separate companies
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: for like this strength and conditioning thing. And I'm just like,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: y'all need to like jump on this because I think
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it's amazing too. Like even the gym I coo too.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It's like an old school like bodybuilding, like cool people
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Jim and I love that and I go in there
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm like lifting heavy weights and people are either
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: hyping me up or they're not like making a big deal.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But like back in the day, it would be like, well,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: like you're strong, like and I would.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Just hate it, like and like what and so like
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: what do you what does that mean?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you mentioned Nike. You are a Nike athlete.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Do you remember what it was like for you when
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you signed that first contract?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I've always loved Nike too, like my whole life and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so like I remember my first coach for Rotational. He
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: he was a Nike athlete, a thrower, and we were
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: talking about it a lot, and I was like, oh no,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like I wish, but probably never you know. You're like, oh,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that'll never happen for me. And I remember when I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: finally got that contract and it was in the kitchen.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It was in a kitchen of an Airbnb at usas
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I remember, and I signed it and I was like
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: crying with my agent. I was like no way, like
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this's really happening, and I've had a really good relationship
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: with him ever since as well. Like even in that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: low lull time I had where I was really sick
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and stuff, my Nike guy always had my back and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Nike's kind of stayed with me through that, and that
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: was kind of nice. I felt like in that moment,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I kind of succeeded for the people who were still
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: there for me when I was down. So last year,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like you believed in me and like, look,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I did it, you know, and that always felt really good.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, you signed that first contract in twenty nineteen,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and then fast forward three years and you're the first
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: American woman to ever win the World championship. Shot put,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: it sounds as though that faith standing by you, supporting
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: you really paid off all around.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I was always like worried, like I never want to
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: like disappoint the people who believe in me either. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I remember the guy that is like my contact, I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: guess is what you'd say. He's always like and really
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: supportive of me and like really lovely and I love
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: him and he's great and he never made me feel
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like I was failing, which was nice.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: And that goes back to our conversation of like the
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: athlete versus the person, because just like with anything in life,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: like there are going to be ups and downs, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: you went through some very high highs and some very
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: low lows in a short amount of time.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really struggling through a lot of the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: normal track and field things. Track is obviously a bit
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: different when it comes to how you get money and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: contracts and all that stuff. And I think I got.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I guess I also forgot like my agent had passed
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: away in the middle of the season and twenty twenty
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: one as well, and I remember when I lost, like
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: how bad that felt because I was so close with him,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Like he got me my first Nike contract and all that,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And I think, like those are the things where I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: needed to address certain loves and stuff, and that was
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: one of them. And one of the things that happened
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to me last year. At the beginning of the year,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I had been dropped by the person who was helping
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: me at the time. Like, nothing feels worse, I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: than people kind of being like you're not really good
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: enough for me to represent you know. That's kind of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: how it fell. And I remember like that being like
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: such a low moment for me at the beginning of
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: last year, and I was trying to find agents to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: represent me, and nobody would talk to me, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: like no one would answer my calls, and people were
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: just kind of being like, I have too many athletes,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like I was getting like rejected a lot.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And then I met my agent now and he was
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the only one who kind of was like, you know what, whatever,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I don't have any shot putters fine, and I was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: he was like, let's do it. And it was like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a week before World Indoors and I remember when I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: got I got the silver medal in World Indoors and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I went to him and I was like, I guess,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: like like thanks for believing me and me or whatever,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and he goes, I'll never doubt you or whatever, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I'll like thank you. And even through this season, I'm
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: like doing well this season, but like obviously not as
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: good as last year.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I was undefeated.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And I text my agent the other day and I said, hey,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like I'm like really training really well, like I just
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: need to be with Paul and all this stuff. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: he just text me back, don't worry, I never doubt
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you and your coach and I just remember being like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: this is who I need around me, Like why didn't
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I have this around me like all the time? Like
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: when my agent passed, I wish I found someone like
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: him right away. That was one of the things the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: other day. I just looked at my phone. I remember
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: kind of getting little tearad and I was like, man, like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you just have to have the right people around you,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Like that's crazy to me, And that's why I told you. Now,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have like such a perfect like group,
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  Speaker 1: Like my fiance is amazing, the most supportive person on
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the planet. I have an amazing coach and an amazing agent,
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  Speaker 1: great friends, Like I just can't believe it. Like I'm like,
• 33:55
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• 33:58
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  Speaker 3: Hearing your story and hearing about how difficult it was
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• 37:20
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  Speaker 3: so many moments where it felt like this was never
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: gonna happen for you.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I could probably not even count on my
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: hands and feet how many times I lost belief that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I would ever win anything. I was always like, well,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I can just you know, make some money and be okay.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: It was just this whole negative space I was in. Well,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you can just like be like kind of good, like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: be one of the best, like you know, like be
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: up there top tens, you know. Like that was kind
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: of where my head went whenever I was there. I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was like, it's fine to just be top tents. But
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: now I'm like absolutely not, Like all the time, I'm
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: like no, Like the other day I was in the ring.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I remember training yesterday and my coach like I was
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: having a really good session, but I wanted like to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: see if I could like dig deep and throw like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: one in the middle of the session really far. And
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I remember I got in the ring, I went to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the front, and I go, your world champion, act like it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And I went to the back of the ring and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I threw really far, and I was like, man, I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: was like, who is she? I she did out of nowhere.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I just randomly to myself, I was like, oh, geez, okay.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Reminds me.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I had a conversation with des Lindon a while back,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: and she talked to me about the year that she
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: became the Boston Marathon champion and everything she did that year.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: She asked herself the same question, which was, is this
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: what a Boston Marathon champion would do? Like for a
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: year of training? Like eating, sleeping? Should I go on
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: this vacation?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Would the Boston Marathon champion go on this vacation? Like
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: all of it?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: And how we talk to ourselves makes a major difference, right.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: It's that sense of self belief that can truly motivate
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: you and push you to places that maybe you didn't
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: even know that you were capable of.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I totally agree.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes like you just need to tell yourself,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: like what you know you need to hear because like
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you can keep things bottled up in here all the time,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: but like sometimes you just need to be like, come on, man,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like get it together. And I know so many people
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: do that as well, Like you know, people just go
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: come on, you got this like for anything, like and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I love that, And I think everyone has their own way,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and I kind of love that, like is this what
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the And that's that's a good way. Yeah, steal that
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I might steal that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I might big gold medalists would do.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I'm totally stealing that that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: So as you're gearing up right now for Buda Pest,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: how are you feeling.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously, like this season has been like ups
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and downs because I changed my technique at the end
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of the season, which I think that's like kind of
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: what I've talked to people about where I say, like
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you've got to make changes and not be afraid to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: do it, and sometimes that can result in like maybe
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you're not doing the best, but you're you're doing it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: for the for future goals. And I kind of came
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: back and I canceled to meet this month and I said,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I just want to train, like I want to train
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: this technique out and I want to get it sorted,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and I think like a week in I finally it
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: was like the click and I was like yes, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I like found it and and I mean, I haven't
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: really had a session that I would I wouldn't like
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: scream at the top of my lungs was bad, Like
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: they were all great, Like it was so amazing, Like
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't complain about one session I've had since that moment,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and I just I feel really ready. And I think
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it's also those like mental moments I'm giving myself, Like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: for us, we have a AM qualifying and then PM
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: we're competing, which is like not that I don't think
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: they've done that in worlds really ever, It's usually you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: qualify one day and then you compete the next. So
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: what's funny is for Olympic Trials we've done like USA
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: people do this all the time. So like, I feel
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: ready for that moment, and I keep mentally preparing myself
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: for that by being like we'll randomly be in a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: session and my coach or I will go, Okay, I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: have to qualify right now, so it'll just be like, oh, yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: so you have this set distance that you have to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: throw to qualify. So I do it, and I think
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like mentally preparing yourself for stuff like that always helps.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And I just feel ready now because I've done all
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the physical and mental preparation.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I love that I feel ready.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: You mentioned that, you mentioned, you know, being in that
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: practice and just throwing really far and being really proud
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: of yourself for contact. So the hurdlers know, your farthest
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: throw to date is twenty twenty fifty one, which is meters,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: which translates to over sixty seven feet.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Me and Maggie, you and the other American girls. Who's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: world lead right now. She's actually my really close friend.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: We're competitors, but we're really close. She's one of my bridesmaids.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I tell everyone that because I think it's so funny.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But me and her, we were we were at this meet.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: We were standing on the twenty line and both of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: our pbs are over twenty and I was looking and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I said, dude, that's far as f and she goes, yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I kind of is, and I was like, I said no,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I said look at where like, look at your feet
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and I said, look at the toe board and she goes,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I was like, we throw so far?
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: She was like, yeah, we kind of do. It was
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: so funny.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Wait, let's talk a little bit about being so tight
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: with technically your competition.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: How is that for you?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she's my biggest competition, but she's also like
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: one of my biggest supporters, and I think she could
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: say the same about me. Like I've always said this,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: like Number one, I want my sport to do well.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So like when people throw far, I love it, like
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: regardless of who it is, I want everyone to throw far.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But number two like, no matter what, but you do.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Like she's done her training, I've done mine. Whether or
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: not we're friends is not gonna affect the leaderboard. Like
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: whoever's meant to win is meant to win because they
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: trained right and they got the technique right. And so
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like we've never let like competition limit us,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: like limit our friendship. Ever, we've always roomed together, we
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: travel together, like I think it's it's amazing and honestly,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I think it makes it better. Like I go places
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like I'll go to worlds. I'm gonna be nervous, it's scary,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: but she'll be right there with me and so like
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you always have someone. Yeah, And it makes no difference
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that we're friends.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Because we're friends doesn't mean she's gonna throw farther because
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I like her and she's in my wedding, you know
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, that's not gonna make her beat me.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: What's gonna make her beat me is if she prepared better. Yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: And I think people have like I think people sometimes
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: have an issue wrapping their brains around that some notice. Well.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I think that also goes back to that concept of
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: like self talk, and there are some people that respond
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: well scientifically to self talk that includes expletives for instance,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: where other people may not respond as well. If that
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: language is included, it's could be translated to competition. I
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: love your perspective and I totally co sign and agree
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: with it, But there may be someone that feels as
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: though having that type of friendship isn't going to allow
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: them to quote unquote with the blinders on. It's all
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: about your perspective and how you show up to the moment,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: how you view the moment, and your perception then becomes
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: your reality. Yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: No, I totally agree with that too, and it's funny
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: because there's I think there's a couple of girls well
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: where like all of us kind of like sit and
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: joke and hang out.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: We're hanging out for like an hour.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: And a half, where I was gonna say, you're there
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: for a.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: While, Like I was like, I don't know about y'all,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: but like I can't just sit there and be like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the whole time. I can't do it. And so like
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: some of the girls, I think there's like two or
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: three that do it. But then we'll go all eat
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: dinner and stuff. But like sometimes in competition, everyone's a
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: bit different. So when there's the people who kind of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: want to be like in the zone, we just leave
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: them be. We let them be in their zone. Like
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: it's fine, Like if you want to be in the zone,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that's chill. Like everyone has a different way about it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Ninety percent of us, I would say, we're just kind
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, what is this said?
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: How you doing, how you feel? How you been?
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Like it's just because we have you seen a Barbie movie.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: We're just like, I'm bored, what are you doing? It's
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: very that, it's very bad.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: We spoke at the top of this about how growing
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: up you didn't feel like you saw women in conventional
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: media that looked like you.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: We also did speak on the fact that maybe in
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: group settings we're still seeing that lack of representation. How
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: do you feel about representation these days for women of
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: all body types.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely better than it was, but I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: don't think it's quite like where it should be. Like
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to me, people always compare it to like, oh, the
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: fashion industry and this sent the other Like, I'm not
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: even thinking about that. I don't care about catwalks, Like
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying there watching it, that's for them. What
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is like they may there's a whole
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: song and dance when they have like a plus size
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: person or or like somebody from a marginalized group or whatever.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: They make a whole song and dance about it, right like,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: instead of it just being like, just do it because
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: you wanted to do it?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Like it almost feels like they're being like, look what
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: we did, and you just go, well, why don't you
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: just do it and not say it like just instead
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of being like, oh, this plus size yoga person, this
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: plus size like boxer, look at them, instead just be like,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: look at this boxer, look at this person doing yoga.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: They're in the same commercial as this person running that's smaller,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Like that's fine, But I feel like when you make
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a point of it, you just kind of like you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: kind of bring it back like three paces from where
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you were, Like you could just do it and don't
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: talk about it, you know.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: What I mean?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Appropriate that the Nike athlete is saying, just do it?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Right If you.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Think I haven't told them this and you're out of.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Your mind, geez, available for all of your Olympic commercials
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: coming forward.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Fully, not me being like and I'm available.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's admirable.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Though I also I'd be remiss if I didn't ask
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: if it makes you feel any sort of way being
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: someone that is at the forefront, that is, I mean,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: as conventional media would label you plus size. Does it
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: make you feel any kind of way being this person
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: that's at the forefront opening yourself up to you know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: these comments, these this unsolicited feedback on your body.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's it's constant too.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: When you say it's constant, Like example.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Every Instagram post there's something there's always positive people, But
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: like I don't really let it affect me. I think
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I've done pretty good because I have my fiance and
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: we usually joke about it, but it's kind of like
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: always thrown at your face, like maye me like that
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: you're you're not the smallest athlete, and people go, I
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: think someone commented the other day, oh, so the shot
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: putters are wearing the crop top now talking about my uniform,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh cool, and yes I am,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and I have a gold medal with one on.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I was wearing it while I won.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: That You're like I felt really strong in my crops.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Yet I was like, thank you. It was great, gave
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: me good aerodynamics.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, sometimes it also hurts because like other people
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: will be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to do like
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: this photo shoot or I'm going to do this that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: never happens for us, Like I'm like, not me, Like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: no one's ever asked me to do a photo shoot
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: because like I just think it's also not just like
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say on traditional plus size either. I don't
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: think I I like, look the right part, if that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: makes sense. And I think I find that like a
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: bit sad because to me, like I know that I'm
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: like strong but also like curvy and that's fine, but
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: like I feel like I don't fit the right like
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: mold of what they want to see, and like plus
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: size campaigns, what's the mold the hourglass the like small top,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: big bottom and I and I have like the hourglass figure,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: but the top like I'm broad shouldered and stuff you
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: don't often see the apple shapes and the pears and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: all that, Like you really they really want that, And
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: so you're you're plus size, but you're the ideal plus size.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Again I'm air quoting, like, yeah, I think at this
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: point the podcast listeners are just like mentally here with us.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I also I can really relate to that concept of
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: just feeling like you just don't have the right body.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I think there's so much power in being able to
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: say my body might not be the quote unquote right
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: body by whoever's standards, but this body is mine.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: It is my home, and I only have I.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Have one opportunity to figure out how to make my
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: home as freaking comfortable as possible.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I think it's something I want to like
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: like address is that, like I was never this confident person,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Like I started out like struggling a lot with this
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: as well. And I think if I had read the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: comments that I have now back in the day, I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: would have like broken down. And so I also think
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: that it's okay to like not fully have that yet
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: because it's like a buildable thing. Like it's hard to
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: it's hard to just come out and be confident in
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: your body all the time when you're constantly bombarded with
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like what the ideal body should be and what you
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: should look like. And I and I and I think
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it's fine to struggle with that for a while. And
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I did, and I reckon it's only been like three
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: years where I can read those comments and just kind
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: of laugh instead of actually cry, which is what I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: haven't done before. And that's fine, but like it's definitely
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like hard feeling like I'm not the ideal. It never
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't hurt, you know, but like instead of like crying
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: about it, I want to like see what changes can
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: be made. Like I said, it's not like I haven't
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: had these talks with my sponsor and stuff, and they've
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: been really open to things, which I love how they're
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: not afraid to like look at look at it through
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: my lens as well.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, really powerful and really again just so so relatable.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I'm curious to know how out of the ring, how
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: does Chase take care of Chase?
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, golly, I don't know.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Like I started feeling a lot better as well when
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I got home, because I I kind of was getting
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: in that rud again where I was before, and I
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: finally was like, oh no, not again. And so I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: start doing my skincare again and I put my hair
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: extensions in, and I just like, I really like want
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: to care about like my my body, and I think
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: that really helps me care about my mind, Like it
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: makes me feel so much better. Like I keep waking
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: up or looking in the mirror and stuff, and I go,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I look really pretty today, and I'm and I'm like,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: oh I miss that, Like I missed when I would
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: just wake.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Up and be like, oh I look pretty today.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And I feel like I've been feeling that because I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: kind of like was in a red again where it
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't really taking care of myself again, like kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and not meaning like you have to do like tape,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: but like that's something I do that like makes you
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: feel good, like putting on my sunscreen, as simple as that.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And I think I started doing that again. It really helped.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things I do.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I get a bit girly. I think that's fine, that's
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: kind of my vibe.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: It's totally it's all. I think it's totally fine. And
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: you talked about being in that rut before.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, they are related, right, how you feel physically and emotionally,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: they totally go hand in hand. Right, So you at
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: that time you referenced before, went through a period that
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: you stopped all of these things that definitely had rainfall
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: a domino of fact on one another. So if you
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: can identify, Okay, because I went through this before, I
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: know how X feels. I am feeling X kind of
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: way again. I now know that I have these strategies
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: in my toolbox that can help me get through this
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: feeling and navigate it so that I can make one
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: step forward toward feeling a little bit better on my
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: body today.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: And another step the next day, and another step the
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: next day.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I think it's that easy sometimes too,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Like for me, I was like I was joking with
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: my fiance too, because I hadn't put like my hair
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: sentsions in a long time and I put them in
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and I said, oh my god, all it took was
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: extensions and I was like throwing him around everywhere. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: then my next training session was really good, and I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: remember being like, it's just the hair, but it really does.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Like I think, I always say, like, look good, throw good,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: and that's for me, Like that's not necessarily everyone, but
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like that's what helps me. Like everyone's different.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: You know, girl, When I have a tough day in
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: the office and I know what's on deck, the first
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: thing I do without fail. While firstly I have to
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: drink my This sounds like such an advertisement, but I
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: have to drink my AG one. And then after I
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: drink my AG one, I need to put on like
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: a good outfit.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, if I have real clothes on today.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: The athleisure is like staying in my bedroom, Like I'm
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: gonna put on a dress and I'm gonna walk into
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: a different room in my own apartment and I'm gonna
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: sit down and that is gonna enable me to show up.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And do what I've got to get done.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's funny you say ath leisure too, because
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: like for me, if when I get up, it's sweatpants
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and like a giant shirt like my fiance shirt or something. No,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: no undergarments, and I'm just dead. And so I told
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: him when I put that sports brawn and like my
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: actual athlete outfit, Like when I have that on, that's
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: when I go, Oh, I can go on a walk.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: Now, now I can.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: You're a superhero outfit.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now I can do things. So I'm not gonna
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna roll without a bron So that's over.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: As long as I put sports Brawn, I'm good.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Like sports bra the.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Modern day superhero. Soon.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: So when it comes to your Instagram chase, they see
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: on the cover a world champion shot putter, a Nike athlete.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: When you look in the mirror, though, what is it
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: that you see looking back at you?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, let me be honest, break it down.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've been an athletes since I was
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like four, and I think I do. I'm always like, yeah,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: like you're a person, then you're an athlete. But I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: still am in that struggle zone of seeing myself outside
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: of like the athlete space. And I think it's because
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I've been an athlete my whole life. I really do
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: struggle like just being a person sometimes and and my
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: emotions and everything stems from like me as an athlete,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: and I know, like that's not exactly the healthiest thing.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And I need to figure out like who I am
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: as a person as well, because there's going to be
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: an end to this at some point. But right now,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I'm still in like my who am I? Phase of
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: like who am I? Outside of the rank? Like who
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: am I? Like I try and think, like, well, I'm
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I feel like I'm a really good daughter,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Like I'm a dog mom, I'm a fiance, like I.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Love all that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: But I still see myself through that shot put lens
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and that athlete lens, and I'm still struggling to find
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: who I am as well outside.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Do you think that the perception and where you are
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: mentally has anything to do with where you are in
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the calendar year with your sport?
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I mean I imagine, like being seventeen days
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: out from World Championships doesn't exactly Linda hand to me
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out who I am outside an athlete
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: when everything I'm like eating, sleeping, and drinking track and
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: field right now. So yeah, yeah, I imagine it doesn't
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: help right now, ask me in a couple.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Of months, we'll have to revisit this confort well, we
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: will revisit this conversation in a few months. And I
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: think it's really beautiful also that you do have this
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: understanding that knowing wanting to know who you are outside
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: of being an athlete is something that is of importance
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: to you, because that's the first step in starting to
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: figure that out. And until you say to yourself, no,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: but I have so much more to me. There is
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: so much more to me than being this world champion.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: That's just the beginning.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: And it's like I said, like I know that like
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: being an athlete, no matter who you are, like on
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the certain level, like where I'm at now, there's like
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: obviously a time limit. Your body can only do it
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: so long like at this level. Yeah, And so like
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I think I've been taught like I've been addressing it
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: more like with my sports like as well. And I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: was talking to her and she goes, You're like really
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: self aware of your issues, but it's about like kind
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of getting them out and like solving them. So like
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of the things that are wrong
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: or I know a lot of things going on, it
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean I'm like solving them to the best
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of my ability. And so one of the things right
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: now is like, I I'm a confident athlete, but it
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't quite coming out. And so she gave me, like,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: obviously some things that I'm doing that are helping me
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: now to kind of put it out and so that
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be. Another thing that I probably
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: talk to her about is like, how do I get
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: that self awareness, like where I know what's happening, I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: know what's going on, and how do I go about
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: finding her?
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Like who is she? Like, let's find her?
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: What are Chase Eely's tips for being your most confident self?
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I think one of the things is I learned me
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: and me and my coach truck be and a lot
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: now is there was a viral clip that went around too,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: but we've always talked about that rule of thirds, you
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: know that one that clip, Yeah, and so we we
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: say that. He says that to me a lot now
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and and I think that's helped is where you look
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: at it and you go, it's not gonna be good
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, Like that's not the way,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: like the cookie crumbles, it just doesn't work, Like and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: it's okay that like sometimes your practice are gonna be
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the best or sometimes not gonna get this one thing
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: done that you needed to get done, but like it's
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: not the end of the day, Like it's not the
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: end of the world. And I think that's really helped
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: me like build confidence and being like just because I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: have a bad session, it doesn't just like.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Break me down.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not like, oh, I just go, oh, that's
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: part of the bad third. Like every time I go, well,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that's the bad like I'll just put that in the bad.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Third category, move on.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of what happened on Saturday. I was
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I it was rough, I was feeling rough and the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: session was rough, and then yesterday was probably like the
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: third best session of my career. So it's like it's fine,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: just put that in the bad third move on. And
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's helped me not be negative and like
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: really keep my confidence up there.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I really loved this conversation.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I think there's just been so many really awesome takeaways
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: and truly to hear you be so vulnerable and open,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: like you said at the top of this, like the
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: feedback and people being like, oh, I feel that way too.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's not just that I feel that way too.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I can say that without a doubt.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: There are so many people listening to this right now
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: that have felt exactly how you have felt or feel
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: currently and are also doing the work to try to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: get to this place where they feel better in their body.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: And the only way that we do that is by
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: having these conversations in a way that other people can
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: tune in. Other people can stand up and be like, Hey,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not alone and it feels really good not to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: be alone.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I think like these are the conversations that like, I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: would have died to hear when I was young, and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I hope they can do for like other young people
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: what they would have done for me.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, Chase, you have an opportunity to offer
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: yourself a piece of advice back when you are at
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: your lowest low you're pre tokyo, you're just not feeling
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: like yourself, and you know what, you know, now, what
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: do you tell yourself?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Probably to get yourself mentally right and don't try and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: fake it till you make it? Actually sort yourself out
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and then get yourself right and then do what you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: know you can do.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Small steps to what you know you can do. I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy that we were able to do this today. Chase,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: tell the hurdlers that they don't follow you just yet.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: How do they follow along with you? How do they
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: keep up with you? Give us all your details.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I would say, like my Instagram's probably my most followed thing,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: which is just Chasey pooh sp for shot put, but
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it looks like Chasey poos. Everyone calls me poop, so
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that's fun. But yeah, I'm always on there doing my training.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Everything's on there, Everything's on Instagram.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Another hurdle Concered.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time