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Steve Price | 5 July · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. Welcome to Friday Nighttime. Steve Priser,
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  Speaker 1: was good to see you on a Friday. Now. It
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  Speaker 1: was a historic day in the UK with the predicted
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  Speaker 1: landside win for the Labor Party. So Keith start Of,
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  Speaker 1: the new Prime Minister claimed his own seat at about
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  Speaker 1: three o'clock this morning London time, about six hours ago.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have a lot more on the UK's lurch to
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  Speaker 1: the left very shortly. But coming up back home, the
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  Speaker 1: housing crisis goes from bad to worse this week and
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  Speaker 1: you have to ask is it time to pause the
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  Speaker 1: massive immigration program being run by the Albanezi government. We
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  Speaker 1: will dig into some of the actual detail on who
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  Speaker 1: is actually going to build these houses. Incredibly, on current numbers,
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  Speaker 1: we need a new house to be built every two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: We'll catch up with the Master Builders Association about that.
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  Speaker 1: Also tonight, people are dying on the roads of Melbourne
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  Speaker 1: as the youth crime crisis, fed by slack bail laws
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  Speaker 1: runs out of control and the Premier to Cintor Allen,
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  Speaker 1: who by the way, is on holidays. Their government is
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  Speaker 1: paralyzed about what to do and potentially senior ministers are
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  Speaker 1: split over the bail laws. Shadow Attorney General Michael O'Brien
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  Speaker 1: weighs in on that, and Friday nights wouldn't be the
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  Speaker 1: same without the week that was with Australia's most cutting
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  Speaker 1: cartoonist and my friend Mark knight Mark coming up shortly,
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  Speaker 1: but first, the fallout from the Fatima payment resignation as
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  Speaker 1: a Labor senator from Wa to sit as an independent
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  Speaker 1: in the Senate and what that means for Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: Albanezi as he heads to what could be an early election. Look,
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  Speaker 1: this is not confined to a debate about discipline within
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  Speaker 1: the Labor Party. It's not even about what would normally
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  Speaker 1: turn into a discussion about a rat within the Labor
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  Speaker 1: ranks who got elected under a Labor banner and then
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  Speaker 1: turned their back on the party that financed their election campaign.
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  Speaker 1: It's about much more than that. Because Senator Payment, a
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  Speaker 1: young Muslim woman, has made this about religion, about her faith,
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  Speaker 1: about her inability to remain as a team member, as
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  Speaker 1: a caucus loyalist in Labor over the issue of Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: Now we still need, I think, to learn a hell
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  Speaker 1: of a lot more about what went on behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes as Fatima Payman was lobbied to change her mind
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  Speaker 1: about staying as a Labor senator. One thing we do
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  Speaker 1: know though, is this is one hell of a headache
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  Speaker 1: for the Prime Minister Anthony Albnezi. Now, if her defection
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  Speaker 1: leads to a fringe party similar to the Teals who
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  Speaker 1: don't forget in the last election, snatched Liberal seats from
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  Speaker 1: high profile Liberals like former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg. Then a
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  Speaker 1: Muslim based party targeting seats in Sydney Southwest and outer
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne suburbs like Tarnique that I visited this week, then
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  Speaker 1: Labour's got a hell of a problem. Asked yesterday, Fatima
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  Speaker 1: did not rule out joining the Muslim Votes group and
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  Speaker 1: confessed she had talked to those putting it altogether.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm not affiliated with this group. I've only had
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  Speaker 2: one meeting with them. I don't have any intentions of
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  Speaker 2: collaborating with them per se, and I haven't thought about
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  Speaker 2: it at this point.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, the last three words is what we
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  Speaker 1: should concentrate on there at this point. Now, if she
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  Speaker 1: does endorse that movement or join it as a Labor
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  Speaker 1: senator turned Marta, it could change forever Australia's political landscape
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  Speaker 1: and labor and the Greens will be very worried if
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  Speaker 1: that happens. Look, we might have an election sooner rather
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  Speaker 1: than later, with November or early December dates already been
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  Speaker 1: talked about, and the chances of Muslim votes getting a
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  Speaker 1: party organized by that time is slim, if not impossible.
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  Speaker 1: But if this movement gets traction, it could happen very
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  Speaker 1: quickly and they would have Fatama Payman at the head
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  Speaker 1: of it. It's not something Australia's seen before. But we
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen the Teals idea before either, had we? And
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  Speaker 1: look how quickly that happened and where it hit the Liberals.
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  Speaker 1: What is the idea of a faith based party anyway?
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  Speaker 1: What does it do? What does it raise the question
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  Speaker 1: of what would they actually stand for? But the pressure
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  Speaker 1: on Labor around the Palestine question would be huge in
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  Speaker 1: the UK election I mentioned where there is already a
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  Speaker 1: Muslim based party Labor led votes in seats with large
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  Speaker 1: Muslim populations. And what about the wider question? This is
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  Speaker 1: what really interests me. What about the wider question around
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  Speaker 1: things like the national debate around immigration? Now, potentially this
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  Speaker 1: is an opportunity for Peter Dutton. I say potentially because
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  Speaker 1: I think he's still a little shy about jumping into
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  Speaker 1: the immigration debate. Immigration and border control was listed as
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  Speaker 1: the third most important issue in the UK poll after
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  Speaker 1: the cost of living in the economy. Now Britain has
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  Speaker 1: a worse problem with borders than we do, but Peter
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  Speaker 1: Dutton needs to clearly make the case. I think that
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  Speaker 1: we are bringing in too many people with Sydney and
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne grown at the seams. Labor for the last two
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  Speaker 1: years has lost control of immigration. People are angry about
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  Speaker 1: it and if Peter Dunton would go to the election
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  Speaker 1: promising to take a migration pause, it would win him
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  Speaker 1: a lot of support. I think it's been a huge
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  Speaker 1: week politically and it's turned the run up to the
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  Speaker 1: federal poll on its ear. So let's get stuck in
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  Speaker 1: tonight for the latest on that UK general election. We've
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  Speaker 1: been watching it all day. Sky's coverage has been outstanding.
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  Speaker 1: Predictions of a labor landslide have come to fruition, with
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  Speaker 1: UK Labor having been declared the winner. Here is Labor
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  Speaker 1: leader Kiir Starmer, who will be the new Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 1: giving a little of victory speech.
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  Speaker 3: We said we would add the chaos and we will.
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  Speaker 3: We said we would turn the page, and we have today.
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  Speaker 3: We start the next chapter, begin the work of change,
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  Speaker 3: the mission of national renewal, and start to rebuild our country.
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  Speaker 1: Very slogan based. I mean, I'm not sure what the
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  Speaker 1: word change means and what change is he talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Will wait and see. But out of a total of
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  Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty seats, Labor has so far one
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and nine. I think of those with the
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  Speaker 1: might of the Conservative Party being reduced really to a
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  Speaker 1: rump on me one hundred and nineteen seats. It's historic
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  Speaker 1: loss for the Tories. Nigel Farage has heed what he
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  Speaker 1: says are excellent results for his party reforming UK. Remember
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  Speaker 1: he's only been in that position he won his own
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  Speaker 1: seat for a couple of weeks. Minor left wing parties
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  Speaker 1: still perform better. Let's find out what this all means
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  Speaker 1: for Britain. The editor of Spiked Online we speak to
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  Speaker 1: on a regular basis, Tom Slater. Tom, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that fascinated me about this is Labor won huge
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  Speaker 1: in numbers, but their actual primary vote didn't raised by much.
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  Speaker 1: And the voters have sprayed all over the place, haven't they.
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  Speaker 4: Made absolutely And I think that's really one of the
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  Speaker 4: details which is now coming out, which is this is
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  Speaker 4: a landslide.
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  Speaker 5: It's one that is oddly hollow.
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  Speaker 4: So as you say you have got this historic vote
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  Speaker 4: tally for them, I mean it's a little bit short
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  Speaker 4: of where Labor were in nineteen ninety seven with New Labour,
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  Speaker 4: but still it's an incredible turnaround from where they were
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  Speaker 4: just five years ago. But at the same time, their
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  Speaker 4: votes share is at about thirty five percent, which is
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  Speaker 4: historically low for a party which is claiming a majority government. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 4: any of its dynamism, any of its surge, really came
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  Speaker 4: in Scotland where you basically had Labor reclaiming its hegemony there,
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  Speaker 4: which over the course of the past ten or twenty
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  Speaker 4: years has been claimed by the SMP.
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  Speaker 5: But they've collapsed.
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  Speaker 4: In England, the labor vote barely budged Atour from twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 4: In Wales it actually went backwards. So this was very
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  Speaker 4: much a case, with the exception of Scotland, Labor kind
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  Speaker 4: of standing still why the Tories collapse, And I think
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  Speaker 4: that's in the days ahead going to become a lot
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  Speaker 4: more clear that whilst we do have a Labor majority government,
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  Speaker 4: there has been no kind of ringing endorsement of its
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  Speaker 4: program or its leader in that sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the lengthy analysis of this is going to be fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about for Nigel seat of Clacton. He wins it.
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  Speaker 1: He's only been campaigning there for a few weeks. He
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  Speaker 1: is a part of his victory speech and really what
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  Speaker 1: he's saying is this is the start for Reform UK.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a long way to go. Let's have a
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  Speaker 1: listen to what Nigel said.
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  Speaker 6: This Labor government will be in trouble very very quickly.
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  Speaker 6: We will now be targeting labor votes. We're coming for
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  Speaker 6: labor being no doubt about that. This is just the
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  Speaker 6: first step of something that is going to stun all
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  Speaker 6: of you.
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  Speaker 1: Tom I Reckon. I think that's the tenth time, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it that he's tried to get into parliament. He's finally there.
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  Speaker 1: How real is reform UK? And is he right that
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  Speaker 1: this party can now expand from what do they get
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  Speaker 1: five seats to maybe more?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen? I think he wonted, didn't he?
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  Speaker 4: I mean in terms of the seat out of the moment,
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's four that have been confirmed and there's
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  Speaker 4: only really a few more seas left to go, so
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  Speaker 4: it'd be unlikely to shoot up much further than that.
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  Speaker 4: On paper, that doesn't sound like very much, but first
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  Speaker 4: of all, if you look at their actual tally of
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  Speaker 4: the vote, it's roughly about fifteen percent, as you suggest,
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  Speaker 4: and so it's the sort of thing where this is
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  Speaker 4: still incredibly significant from where they began, which is really
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  Speaker 4: up until this campaign began and Farage threw his hat
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  Speaker 4: into the ring and retook control of the party, basically
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  Speaker 4: they were more or less nowhere unlikely to stand in
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  Speaker 4: all the seats.
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  Speaker 5: And so on, so this is a significant victory.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing is that they came second in almost
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  Speaker 4: one hundred seats, and these are some of them actually
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  Speaker 4: in the North of England, places where Labour have traditionally
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  Speaker 4: been quite strong. So what we're now seeing is that
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  Speaker 4: not only have Reform secured the destruction of the Conservative
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  Speaker 4: Party in this particular election, at least in this particular
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  Speaker 4: electoral phase, but increasingly they could be a challenge to Labor,
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  Speaker 4: which is what Farage in his previous incarnations was. He
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  Speaker 4: would take votes off the Tories, but he would also
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  Speaker 4: take votes off the Labor Party as well, so Whilst
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  Speaker 4: on paper those four seats might not look like a
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  Speaker 4: hell of a lot, it's potentially a launch pad for
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  Speaker 4: a much bigger encouragion into electoral politics for reform if
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  Speaker 4: it can meet the task it's ahead of it in
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  Speaker 4: the next few years.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the million dollar question I want you to answer,
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  Speaker 1: because you're there. The rest of Europe lurches to the
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  Speaker 1: right and UK goes center left. How does a country
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  Speaker 1: in Western Europe do that and go completely the other way?
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  Speaker 1: Or is the simple explanation, Tom is that people were
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  Speaker 1: fed up with the Conservatives. They've been there fourteen years.
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  Speaker 1: I think they had five prime ministers and they said, right,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to give the other mob a go.
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  Speaker 4: I think it is that this is an election that
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  Speaker 4: the Conservatives lost, not one that Labor won.
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  Speaker 5: Even the BBC posters are telling us that at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: And I think also what we're seeing across Europe and
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  Speaker 4: across the Western general is that you now basically have
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  Speaker 4: two factions. You've got the populists and the anti populist
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  Speaker 4: which is at a particular time where the anti populists
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  Speaker 4: are on are in power. They've benefited off of the
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  Speaker 4: collapse of the conservatives. But I think the story not
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  Speaker 4: just of reforms incursion, but also what got going on
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  Speaker 4: in Europe recently is that it really won't be long
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  Speaker 4: until that dissatisfaction with the establishment's going to be felt,
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  Speaker 4: because whatever Kir Starmer is is thoroughly a man of
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  Speaker 4: the establishment and all of its failed orthodoxics.
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  Speaker 1: Just finally, can Labour keep the border secure?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they haven't really so much inclination to do that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Keir Starmer's plan seems to be to get
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  Speaker 4: rid of the Rwanda scheme and just hope for the best.
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  Speaker 4: If he's got any sense, he will try and get
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  Speaker 4: clamped down on this particular issue, but he's showed no
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  Speaker 4: signs of any of that common sense so far during
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  Speaker 4: this campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Great to catch up, Tom Slader, thank you very.
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  Speaker 5: Much, Matte, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, look, this is now if it wasn't already a
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  Speaker 1: bloody disgrace that the Victorian premiere, I think just Cinder Allen.
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  Speaker 1: I know she's on holidays, but I think she needs
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  Speaker 1: to treat this so seriously. She needs to break that
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  Speaker 1: winter break and get back to the office, call in
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  Speaker 1: the relevant ministers and sort out a solution. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about youth biol in Victoria if a deadly incident in
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  Speaker 1: Berbert on Tuesday night that I wrote about yesterday, allegedly
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  Speaker 1: involving a teenager previously on bail behind the wheel of
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  Speaker 1: a stolen car that saw an innocent twenty eight year
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  Speaker 1: old man cut down and killed. Last night we had
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  Speaker 1: a thirty one year old man. He was on a
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  Speaker 1: train going home. He was allegedly attacked by four teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: with at least one of them armed with a knife.
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  Speaker 1: They were arguing with other passengers on the train. We
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  Speaker 1: can only presume that perhaps the man who was stabbed
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  Speaker 1: tried to intervene the group got into a fight, as
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  Speaker 1: I said, with the passengers. It was near Huntingdale station.
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  Speaker 1: One is alleged to have stabbed the man in the
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  Speaker 1: upper body. Now, a sixteen year old, a seventeen year
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  Speaker 1: old from Malvine East and a sixteen year old from
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  Speaker 1: Botannic Ridge were arrested and you guessed it. They were
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  Speaker 1: bailed to appear in the children's court at a later date. Bailed.
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  Speaker 1: The fourth teenager is on the run. For God's sake,
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  Speaker 1: this has got to stop now it's been revealed seventy
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  Speaker 1: five percent of you defenders in Victoria are released on
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  Speaker 1: bail seventy five percent. Joining me now is the Victorian
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  Speaker 1: Shadow Attorney General, Michael O'Brien. Michael, this is madness.
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  Speaker 8: You're right, but this is exactly what the government wanted.
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  Speaker 8: They weakened the bail laws in March this year. They
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  Speaker 8: made it easier for repeat serious offenders to keep getting bail.
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  Speaker 8: So nobody should be surprised because this is what Labor
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  Speaker 8: and the Greens vote for.
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  Speaker 1: That shadow attorney explain to me how they weakened those
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  Speaker 1: bail laws. What did they actually do.
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  Speaker 8: The previous Liberal government, Steve introduced an offense called committing
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  Speaker 8: an indictable offense whilst on bail. What that meant is
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  Speaker 8: that if you are on bail and you commit a
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  Speaker 8: serious offense again, that is a separate offense, but also
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  Speaker 8: it means you faced a tougher test, a tougher legislative test, to.
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  Speaker 1: Get bailed again.
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  Speaker 8: Now, by abolishing that offense, Labor ensured that weak tests
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  Speaker 8: would continue to be applied for repeat serious offenders and sadly,
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  Speaker 8: tragically that's what we're seeing happen.
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  Speaker 1: So under the previous bail laws, were the magistrates applying
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  Speaker 1: the bail laws in the way that you as a
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  Speaker 1: government designed them to be applied largely.
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  Speaker 8: Look, there's always going to be arguments between politicians and
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  Speaker 8: judges about how the law should be applied by we
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  Speaker 8: respect the independence of the judiciary. The trouble is you've
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  Speaker 8: got a Labor government's been in for twenty one of
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  Speaker 8: twenty five years. They've appointed almost every judge and every magistrate.
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  Speaker 8: They've written the bail laws, and they turn around an
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  Speaker 8: act surprise when we see tragedies like happened earlier this week.
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  Speaker 1: So how easy is it to get bail? I mean
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  Speaker 1: it would appear and when you look at I mean
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  Speaker 1: I just gave that example there those fourteenagers, three of
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  Speaker 1: them were arrested as they should have been sixteen and
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  Speaker 1: seventeen year olds and they are on serious charges. How's
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  Speaker 1: that happened?
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  Speaker 8: Because Labor has weakened the tests for bail.
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  Speaker 1: It's number one.
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  Speaker 8: Number two, they've put far more weight on giving bail
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  Speaker 8: if you're a young person. And number three, because the
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  Speaker 8: court backlogs are so bad in Victoria compared to the
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  Speaker 8: rest of the country. Magistrates now think well, if I
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  Speaker 8: put somebody on remand they might be on remand for
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  Speaker 8: longer than I'd actually sentence them to jail if they're
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  Speaker 8: found guilty of the crime. So Labour's budget cuts and
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  Speaker 8: court backlogs are actually making it harder for magistrates to
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  Speaker 8: remand people even if they want to.
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  Speaker 1: I get a sense that the government itself is a
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  Speaker 1: bit split on This's the Victorian Minister for Police, Anthony Carbines.
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  Speaker 1: He said this yesterday about the state bail laws. I
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  Speaker 1: want to get your reaction to this.
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  Speaker 9: It is incumbent on the courts to make sure that
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  Speaker 9: repeat serious offenders who are on bail have that bail
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  Speaker 9: re vote. That is the expectation of the government, the
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  Speaker 9: Parliament and the people of Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: You expect there's some sort of split here in the
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  Speaker 1: actual Labor government itself about what they should be doing
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  Speaker 1: with young offenders. I think there is, Steve.
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  Speaker 8: I think the police minister he feels the frustration that
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  Speaker 8: police officers feel when they catch offenders. They take them
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  Speaker 8: before a judge and the judge says, well, under the
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  Speaker 8: laws the Labor government has given us, we have to
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  Speaker 8: let these people out on bail. It's a catch and
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  Speaker 8: release program for crooks, that's all it is.
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  Speaker 1: They keep going on about how Victoria's got the toughest
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  Speaker 1: bail laws in the country. Do they that's not true?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? It's a lie? It a lie.
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  Speaker 8: It is like, look, I don't use that term likely
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  Speaker 8: Steve for this government knows it's untrue. They know it's
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  Speaker 8: untrue because they voted to worken the laws in March
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  Speaker 8: this year, and yet they claim whenever there's a tragedy,
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  Speaker 8: they claim we've got the toughest.
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  Speaker 1: They don't. They know they don't.
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  Speaker 8: And it's time Victorians understood that this government is lying
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  Speaker 8: to them when they say we've got the toughest bail
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  Speaker 8: laws in the country.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote yesterday youth crime, it's really children crime for
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  Speaker 1: children age between ten and fifteen, and then between sixteen
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  Speaker 1: and eighteen, it's gone up thirty percent and twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: percent in both of those demographics. Now, you can't run
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  Speaker 1: around as a politician who's supposed to be running the
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  Speaker 1: state ignoring the fact that you have a youth crime
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  Speaker 1: crisis on your hands, or we do have a youth
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  Speaker 1: crime You people's houses being broken into in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night. You've got people being stabbed on trains,
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  Speaker 1: people making a right hand turn into a normal street
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  Speaker 1: going home from work dead and at.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: The same time they've closed forty three police stations during
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: the night. I mean, you think crooks work business hours
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: in Victoria.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: But my local police station involved and it's only open
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: between ten am and six pm. So too bad if
• 17:19
  Speaker 8: you want to go there. We've got somebody broken into
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: your house. You want to go to a place of safety.
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: The local police station increasingly around Victoria closed.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: We do have a crisis here, Steve.
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: But until the government can recognize they've made this worse
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: by weakening bail laws, I don't see a solution apart
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: from a change of government.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: They want to make it even worse because they're going
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to raise the level of the age where you classified
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a criminal. They want to take it from ten to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: twelve and ultimately up to fourteen. Surely that's got to
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: be dropped.
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: Well you'd think so, but they've got a bill in
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: the Parliament to do just that. At the moment now,
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: there were about three hundred and eighty offences that were
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: committed last year by ten and eleven year olds.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Some of them were mine. If you told me there
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: was someone take me and you and I are old
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: enough to be around a long time. It take us
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: back twenty years. We were not talking about ten year
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: olds committing crimes.
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: No, no, we were, and so things have gotten much
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: worse because there's no accountability. And what the government, what
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: the labor governor will do with this legal change, if
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: it goes ahead, they'll ensure there's no accountability for ten
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: and eleven year olds because they can do anything and
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: it can never be a crime. How can you hold
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: somebody accountable? How can you teach them they've done the
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: wrong thing when they do something terrible and there are
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: no consequences.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: How much? Finally, in the background behind all this is
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a left leaning government that doesn't want to put youngsters
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: behind bars or in jail, regardless of what they do.
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: I think you've hit the nail on the head, Steve.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: That is exactly This has been driven by ideology, yes,
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: not common sense, and not community safety. I'm all forgiving
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: young people a second chance. I'm not so big on tenth, eleventh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: and twelfth chances when they're turning up with machetes in
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: people's homes in the middle of the night. This government
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: needs to put community safety first.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: You speak so much sense, Michael O'Brien, thank you very much.
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: Thanks to.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: We'll stay with us. Coming up after the break, we're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: going to have some more analysis on the success of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Nigel Farage election success and fears that we could be
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: running out of housing and prices. Could you believe it
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: might even go higher? Welcome back to price with you.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: We'll get to the housing crisis shortly. Believe that story
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: in Australia during the week that predicted this is from experts,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: not me saying it that we would need if we
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: want to get to the federal government's promise of houses built,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: we'd have to build a house every two minutes. Now
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. Join me now from a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Queensland Premier, Campbell Newman, who will be standing in the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: upcoming state election as we know for the Liberal Democrats
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in the Senate. Fascinating day watching the UK election. My
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: friend Nigel Farage. Let's have a listen to what he
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: said about where he wants to take his UK Reform
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Party and they will get your view.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: So we've done this in such a short space of time,
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: says something very fundamental is happening. It's not just disappointment
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: with the Conservative Party. There is a massive gap on
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: the center right of British politics. My job is to
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: fill it and that's exactly what I'm going to do.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he's right. I wonder if it's his
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: personality jumping in three weeks ago and getting a lot
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of media attention. Is what's about him winning those seats
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: or if there really is an appetite in the UK
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: among the population to slide to the center right. What
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: do you reckon, oh the guy.
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: I absolutely think there is that appetite. And the numbers
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: are quite interesting because you've got this first past the
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: post system in the UK steve as opposed to preferential
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: voting which we have here.
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: I don't think the.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: Four seats that he's won really probably really tells the
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: story properly.
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: So just to get the figures correct.
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: They won four seats, but they got four point one
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: million votes. So that's compared to the Lib Dems, okay,
• 21:09
  Speaker 11: who won seventy one seats with only three point five
• 21:13
  Speaker 11: million votes. You see, So they did well in a
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: whole lot of electorates, coming second, as we heard earlier
• 21:20
  Speaker 11: in the program, and so they can take votes away
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: from the Labor Party and of course they're taking votes
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: away from the Conservatives, and the reason the Conservatives got
• 21:30
  Speaker 11: voted out is they were't a conservative party. I go
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: to the United Kingdom quite a bit, well, I have
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: been over the last ten years.
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: And.
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: My observation is they weren't a very conservative party. They
• 21:43
  Speaker 11: were quite quite divided. And what Farage is doing is
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: tapping in to the same sort of people in Australia
• 21:52
  Speaker 11: that Pauline Hanson has tapped into. But parties like my own,
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: the Libertarian Party hoped to the disaffair did Liberal National
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: Party voters.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: They're there, They're out there.
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: They're in the middle and outer suburbs, they're in rural
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: and regional areas, and they are people that the elites
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: and the big cities have ignored and that's there for
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: the taking. So Faraj is absolutely dead right and he
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: is going to do a lot better at coming by elections,
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: as no doubt will occur.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine if we had first past the post and not
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: preferential voting here.
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: Well it makes it very hard, as he's observed, for
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: minor parties. But if you have a charismatic leader, someone
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: who has that name recognition, who's got something to say
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: that people identify with it. Then suddenly it all comes together,
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: and you know, there are figures in Australia that if
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: we had first past the post probably would be quite
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: capable of launching new political movements. But again I think
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: as long as he is upright and breathing and committed
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: to that party, I think you'll do a heck of
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: a lot better in coming elections.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Conservatives lost ten cabinet ministers, they lost a former Conservative
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister in Liz Truss. I mean, they are in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one hell of a mess, aren't they.
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: Well, they lost a lot of the talent supposedly on
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: the front bench. Perhaps in this case it's the clean
• 23:29
  Speaker 11: out that they needed and the opportunity now to reflect
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: on what a Conservative party truly should be about. Because
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: again they weren't conservative.
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: They were big.
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: They were in the end despite the initial part of
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: their term with the so called austerity, they were big spending.
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: They were also high taxing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: And I think an issue that was quite extraordinary and
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: I observed for firsthand in London was the way in
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: the weeks after October the seventh and what happened in Israel.
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: Sunak allowed you know, the anti Israel protests is to
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: take over the streets of London, and like Australia where
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: affirm affirm statement by the leadership about we're not going
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: to tolerate anti Semitism, We're not going to tolerate these
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: sorts of terrible scenes and on our streets. They just
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: let it run wild, and I think they'll punished for that,
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: for example. So the fact that this leadership group have
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: been hosed out, hopefully we'll give the new Conservatives time
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: to rebuild and think again about what really the party
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: is meant to be about.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: You wonder, don't you, Campbell, what it might have been
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like if Boris Johnson and managed to survive as the leader.
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: Well, what we could spend a program on that, couldn't we?
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: Look, I think he's one of the greatest disappointments out
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: ever and I'm afraid end of the day, one word
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: for me does it buffoon.
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: Another one is fraud.
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: I think he was one of the most unfit people
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: to hold the office that I can recall. And it's
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: terrible because he managed to get people's attention, He managed
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: to get those votes in twenty nineteen and then it
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: was totally squandered. And you know, I mean, I just
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: have no time for people who have the sort of
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: double standards that he showed during the early stages of
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: COVID with what went on in number ten as we
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: now know, I mean, hypocrisy doesn't sit well with me.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Campbell back home, How concerned are you if we are
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: going to split in this country into minor parties driven
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: by their faith. I speak, of course of Senator Fatima Payman.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: She's decided to quit labor, she sits as an independent now.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: But there is this discussion about a Muslim votes party
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: or group of people that may form a party. Would
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you be concerned if that would have come about? Yeah?
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: Look, I am.
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: I find the whole thing very disturbing and I'm sure
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: many Australians would feel the same way. Just sectarianism isn't good.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: It actually sets up division.
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: And I think the thing that the Muslim community need
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: to reflect on is do they really want to sort
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: of go this way themselves? I mean, if they're concerned
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: about being seen in a negative way by mainstream Australia,
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: well if they go down this path and that gets
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: ahead of steam, then this is only going to I'm afraid,
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: right or wrong, it's going to increase that sort of
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: sense of division.
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: People need to vote on issues other than just religious ones.
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: And frankly, I'm a strong support of Israel and the
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: idea that Labor.
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: Backbenches members of Parliament should be.
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: Getting it in the neck because they have not adopted
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: an aggressive anti Israel stance.
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: It's just just preposterous.
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: And you know, I think again, it won't do any
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: good for the Muslim population of our big cities, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: I won't do this nation any good. By the way,
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: in the UK election, there was one leading figure, a
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: gentleman by the name of Jonathan Ashworth, who was a
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: key Keirs Stammer Stammer Lieutenant, so he's the shadow Postmaster
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: General and he actually lost his seat to an Independent
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: in a electorate that had a very strong Muslim population,
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: and it's been put down to the Muslim vote that
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: got this.
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: Guy kicked out.
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: So you know, those are the sort of things that
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: could happen to the Labor Party in Australia and I
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: think it's very unhealthy.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Campbell, it was great to catch up on a Friday night.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, my friend. I talk to you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: next week coming up after the break. Now, Farmers are
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: outraged as they should be by Labour's live sheep export ban.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Will be joined by the Deputy See of the National
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Farmers Federation. Plus the housing crisis ravaging Australia. Will talk
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: about that with the Master Builders Association. That's all to come.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. You're with Steve Price on Friday night. Now,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I reckon farmers around Australia are getting a rough deal
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: at the moment. They're quite rightly outraged over the federal
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: government's ban on live sheep. Now that legislation went through
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the Senate on Monday and the government is planning to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: have that in place by twenty twenty eight. Now farmers
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: are going to campaign against it during the next election.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Now I imagine, in particular in West Australia, where Labor
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: hold quite a few seats, the farmers are going to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: be campaigning very hard. As I said, the ban will
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: come into effect in May of twenty twenty eight. I've
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: seen the Agriculture Minister Murray going, oh, well, you know
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this will give the industry enough time to transition. He
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: tried to make the point that's an industry in decline.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: The farmers really violently disagree. Joining me now and we've
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: spoken to him on Friday nights before dipuity Chief executive
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Officer of the National Farmers Federation, Charlie Thomas Charlie, great
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to see you again, Murray Watt saying, oh, well, it's
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: an industry in decline. It's gone down around ninety percent.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Does it really matter? Can you explain to us why
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it does matter? Thanks Stover. I mean, he couldn't be
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: more wrong.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: The twenty twenty eight deadline is an absolute disaster for industry.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: We spelt that out very clearly all the way through
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: the election and post after he made this ridiculous announcement.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: What that means for producers in was they don't have
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: enough time to transition the genetics of their flock for
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: us to get the additional processing capacity in place that
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: the government says will create new jobs in Australia. None
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: of that work will be done by the time twenty
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: twenty eight around.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: So what this means.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Effectively, and we've already seen this reflected in the numbers,
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: is people will start getting out of sheep all together,
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: moving into other production systems potentially like cropping, and in
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: some instances walking off the land all together. And what
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: that means is in fact less jobs in these small
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: farming communities in Wa, nothing coming to take their place,
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: and an awful lot of hurt. The merits of this
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: haven't been tested at all. All we've had in recent
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: weeks is a sham parliamentary inquiry through the House of
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: Representatives which was gave farmers four days to have their say.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: It had two public hearings, very open and shut consultation
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: process with a predetermined outcome. And there's really been no
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: thorough testing, no economic analysis of the job's impacts and
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: the flow and impacts of this for these regional communities,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: no actual assessment of the animal welfare outcomes. And because
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: we know what the answer is there, we know the
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: answer is that these countries will not shift to children
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: boxed meat. They will simply shift supply to source live
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: sheep from country with zero animal welfare standards. So this
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: is a decision where the animals will suffer, the economy
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: in Wa will suffer, and our trade relationships which have
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: been built up over many many years in the Middle
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: East will suffer too.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Charlie potentially in the bigger issue, and this is the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: issue about visas and backpackers who would spend normally time
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: working in the bush, particularly on those orchard type operations
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: where they use for seasonal work. I heard a cherry
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: picker the other day. A cherry orchard is the other
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: day saying well mate, I may as well pack up.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Are you going to make any inroads on this backpacker change,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: because it's going to be sensed really dangerous for the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: farming community, Isn't.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: It to real concern?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Steve?
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: It's coming in two phases, so one has actually taken
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: effect this week, so UK backpackers are already off the
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: hook in terms of doing this eighty eight days of
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: specified work in the regions they make up about a
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: quarter of all the backpackers, the working holiday makers in
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Australia at any given time. So that's a massive hit
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: already in place this week. And so the flow and
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: impacts of that are sort of yet to be felt,
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: but we expect that will be significant. And now the
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: government's considering through its migration review process going further looking
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: at whether we basically delete this specified work requirement for
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: these visas for people, regardless of the country they come from.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: Now we've been really clear to the government, if you
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: do this and do it in a way that doesn't
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: provide us with a realistic alternative in terms of an
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: overseas workforce to come in and do these jobs. Farming
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: communities will be decimated. And when we're talking about backpackers,
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: it's not just about the work they do. You know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: they do significant work. There's one hundred and twenty thousand
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: of them in the country at any one time. They
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: do about four point one million hours worth of work
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: each year. But it's not just getting the job done,
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: it's what they bring to these local towns, and they
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: bring dollars.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Charlie Thomas. All is a great pleasure to catch up
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: with you. Thank you very much, mate, pleasure thanks to Well,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: let's go into the cartoonist's cave now and who better
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to talk to and break down what the cartoons of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the week have been Our mate from Friday Nights, Mark Knight,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: who joins us now, Mark, you've had an outstanding week,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I reckon you've been in brownlow metal winning form this week,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: my friend.
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: That's very kind, Steve. But I'm only as good as
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: my material. But yet again our leaders.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Did not disappoint us with the material.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, you've got so much to work with. Let's start
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: with the supermarket isles, and Peter Dutton of course has
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: decided to along with his coalitions and colleagues, that they
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: are going to break up the big supermarket franchises of
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Coles and Wolwors. What's Peter Dutton up to there with
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that young lass who's behind the counter serving someone in Coles.
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, one of the great great things in
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: the supermarkets is when the register doesn't read what you're
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: buying and they have to do the price check on
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: Aisle five. And I could just see the sort of
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: six foot two Peter Dutt understanding in Woolli's there bending
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: over the microphone and you know, tapping it in christ
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: check all five.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: That's going to be his.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Job apparently, and you're drawing of Peter Dutton. That gets
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: better by the week. I've got to say, I hope
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton never lets his hair grow if he can
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: probably do that, because the way the ball dome works
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: for the opposition leader Federal is fantastic. Now, speaking of fantastic,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: we've got a new governor, General Sam Austin, who's an
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: avowed Republican. So she was sworn in during the week
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and pledged her allegiance to King Charles the Third. Here
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: she is in full military regalia. Charles doesn't seem all
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that interested in speaking to the new governor general. Is
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: he in favor of a republican representing him here or not?
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: Look, I think she's she's she's you know what is
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: she on seven hundred thousand a year plus a lifetime pension.
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: I think that is her sort of overcome her Republican sensibilities.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: And she's a swarm royalist now.
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: And I think she's fronted up as you say, all
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: about regalia, and I think that's warm Charles's heart, and
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: I think he can work with that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: How good's Charles to draw when he's in his full
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: military gear.
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  Speaker 5: He's brilliant. He's brilliant. And Camilla is a great caricature too,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: She's fantastic.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 13: I hope we never get rid of the royals, because
• 35:28
  Speaker 13: the entertainment factor alone is just worth the cost to
• 35:33
  Speaker 13: us and to.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: The British people. I'm a big royalist and a cartoonist
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: of course, Stave, as you know, well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I worry, though, I worry about you and William. I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: don't think Williams is as good a package for your
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: brilliance as what Charles and the Queen and Camilla and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Lady Die and you can go back all the way back.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think William is going to be a hard
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: one to capture, isn't he.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Well, it's like I'm not a politicians these days.
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: They're being sort of pasteurized, and you know, I guess
• 36:04
  Speaker 13: it's the media's fault because you know, we always pick
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: any faults they have or indiscretions.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: They may make.
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: But it would be terrible if they were so dulled
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: down that it was just you know, they became an
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: interesting you know Harry I missed Harry. I wish he'd
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: come back into the fold. He was a walking headline
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: and fantastic to draw that sort of ginger nut that
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: he has. So now I think I let the royals
• 36:32
  Speaker 13: run free.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I say, late in the week you captured what happened
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: on the roof of Parliament House. Now we're all watching
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it live. These people climbed up on there and decided
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: they'd hag their banners. You've come up with the most
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: brilliant campaign slow for the new independent senator Fadama payment.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Well, it was ironic, was of it?
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: That there were these fools on Parliament how straping their
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: black banners about from the you know, from the river.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: To the sea, Palestine would be free.
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: And then suddenly there was fatim of payment in the
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: Parliament protesting that she was walking out on the party.
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: So appropriate, I thought it was a very simple cartoon
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: to draw. She should have been on the roof announcing
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: her resignation for the Labor Party with the banner, which
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: is appears to be very popular these days these protests.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Everybody's out there protesting.
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: It's I mean in Melbourne, it's like we have troffic
• 37:38
  Speaker 14: traffic cops whose job is just to stop the environmental
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: protesters and let the Palestinian protesters go through and then.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: The environmental protesters have the right of way. It's like
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: that in Melbourne.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Who can work it out? But you've had a great week,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: turning Mark Nada was a pleasure to catch up with you,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: my friend. I'll talk to you in a couple of
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: weeks time. That's night from the Herald Sun. Of course
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I mentioned the housing problem that we have in Australia's crisis.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Chief Executive the Master Builders Association, Nita WARN's been good
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: enough to join us on a Friday night, Danita, thank
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you for your time. I pick up the Australian newspaper.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I think it was Tuesday morning, where the industry is
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: talking about if labour wants to get to hits ambition
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: of house builds over the next five years, we would
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: need to be building a house every two minutes. That
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: ain't going to happen, is it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: No?
• 38:29
  Speaker 15: Unfortunately at this stage, Steve, it's not. We have a
• 38:33
  Speaker 15: multiple number of roadblocks in our way to enable us
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: to build where we're built ready, but we need some
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: solutions and removals of those roadblocks. One of them is
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: shortages of labor. Of course, industrial relations is playing unfortunately
• 38:49
  Speaker 15: apart and over regulation as well, and the private market
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: is simply slowing down. Inflation and interest rates is really
• 38:58
  Speaker 15: biting on the capacity of the private investment in the
• 39:02
  Speaker 15: housing market. And we can't just rely on government alone.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I decided to go and have an actual look at
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: one of the new housing developments. I went out to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: a place called Tarnique, western Melbourne, not near Truganaina, above Weerribee.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It's extraordinary what's happened out there. But you can see
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: there's land and a lot of it's still farming land.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But obviously there's a huge number of roadblocks in the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: way for construction companies, housing builders to get out there
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and build. I mean, it's a very difficult thing for
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: them to get permission to do it, that's right.
• 39:36
  Speaker 15: I mean some of the biggest problems we're facing at
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: the moment is that developers are willing to develop, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 15: we can't get the utilities.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: There are the civil works.
• 39:45
  Speaker 15: There to even be built ready, And I don't know
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: if people heard over the week that we've also had
• 39:51
  Speaker 15: situations where there's a protest by the ETU at the
• 39:56
  Speaker 15: moment over Industrial Action over their EBAs now delaying electrical
• 40:01
  Speaker 15: connections to well over one and a half thousand homes
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: that are just sitting there waiting to be occupied but
• 40:08
  Speaker 15: don't have any electricity. So there's a range of issues
• 40:11
  Speaker 15: that are really stopping building, and we've got to get
• 40:16
  Speaker 15: all levels of government working together. There's been good intentions
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: by the federal government and the state governments, but we're
• 40:24
  Speaker 15: seeing piecemeal approaches and in some instances, and when you
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: look at industry relations as a good example, it's actually
• 40:31
  Speaker 15: contrary to the policies being sought by the federal government.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of work to do.
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: The clock started ticking on Monday and already we're really
• 40:39
  Speaker 15: concerned about whether or not we'll be able to build
• 40:41
  Speaker 15: those one point two million homes which we know we need.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Just finally Dneda. It must be driving prices up as well.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: All of this. It is.
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: Unfortunately we saw in the recent inflation numbers, rents still
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: increasingly go up. You really feel for rentors in Australia
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: at the moment they are paying exorbitant amounts of money
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: they can't find a rental property. We need to encourage
• 41:09
  Speaker 15: private investment into the rental sector, whether it's mum and
• 41:13
  Speaker 15: dad investors or right through to institutional investors. And again
• 41:17
  Speaker 15: we just don't have the mix right at the moment
• 41:19
  Speaker 15: in the economy to ensure that we're investing in rental
• 41:22
  Speaker 15: properties just as much as investing in home ownership as well.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Anita Warren, thanks for giving up some of your Friday
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: night for us. It's all is a pleasure to catch
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: up with you now after the break. President Joe Biden's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: in a world of trouble as we know following his
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: debate performance last week. You won't believe this latest gaff
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: plus a new property listed for lease just out of control.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Those housing rental crisis we're talking about has become the panels. Next,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: welcome back to reminder, of course, Denika de Giorgio coming
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: up with prime Time straight after us at the top
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: of the hour. Now, let's check in with the purported
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: leader of the free world. His name is President Joe Biden. Now,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: President Joe did an interview with Philadelphia's WURD radio and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: incredibly somehow described himself as a black woman.
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: Have a listen, I am proud abuse, as they said,
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: the first based president, first black woman, black president.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Well, we know it's a worry. Let's bring in the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: panel Small Business Women Australia CEO Amanda Rose and Scott
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and his contributor Gary Hargrave join us. Amanda, we've said
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: this over and over again. This is now not bordering
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: on it is elder abuse. To leave that poor man
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: there trying to get reelected.
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: Absolutely and it sounds like he was reading someone else's
• 42:51
  Speaker 16: speech accidentally and prepped for someone else's interview. But what's
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: interesting is that we're all focusing on yes, it's elder
• 42:59
  Speaker 16: bu Yes, it's absolutely shocking and we're focusing so much
• 43:03
  Speaker 16: on this and what their plan is. Are they going
• 43:05
  Speaker 16: to replace him? And we've kind of lost focus on
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: the fact that the US economy is taking a nosedive,
• 43:11
  Speaker 16: and we need to go back to the fact that
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: regardless of who the Democrats put in, their policies are
• 43:17
  Speaker 16: still destructive for families and small business.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: So regardless of who.
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: They put in, people need to go back and look
• 43:24
  Speaker 16: at the policies and the things that they've implemented that
• 43:27
  Speaker 16: have destroyed the economy.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Gary is the elder statesman you and me on the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: show tonight. I mean I waver between incredules. I mean
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: amazed that they've left him there, but I also feel
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: sorry for the blood.
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 17: Look, I think that evidently his wife, doctor Jill, enjoys
• 43:55
  Speaker 17: the trappings. He's got the front cover of Vague and Joe,
• 44:00
  Speaker 17: unfortunately is the front cover of Vague. It's it's awful, Steve,
• 44:05
  Speaker 17: that this bloke.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: How long you've been working on it? Sins it sends.
• 44:12
  Speaker 17: It sends the signals to our enemies of the West
• 44:15
  Speaker 17: around the world. They got their acts together, They got
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: their acts together. You know, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: are just laughing at US and countries like Australia. Look,
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: but we are going to be shaken off the coattails
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: of Western civilization if we're not careful. It's because we're
• 44:34
  Speaker 17: relying on America to defend us, and right now we
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: haven't got this bloke at all capable of even defending
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: his own position. So I'm shattered that we're in this mess,
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: I really am. And I think the world is turning
• 44:48
  Speaker 17: its back on the weird and the woke and the
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: woeful left, except in the UK, where they've got to
• 44:54
  Speaker 17: go through what they're going to go through over the
• 44:56
  Speaker 17: next couple of years. Sixteen year olds are going to
• 44:58
  Speaker 17: be able to vote all this sort of rubbish that's come.
• 45:00
  Speaker 17: You can see it coming. But this bloke is has
• 45:03
  Speaker 17: got to go and the voters will deal with him.
• 45:07
  Speaker 17: But we might end up with Kamala as apparently the
• 45:11
  Speaker 17: first black American president, female whatever else she wants to
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: identify as, so well.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I want to get to her. I'm not sure what
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: worries me more, Joe Biden staying there or Kamala Harris
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: being the president. Donald Trump thinks he's got her, he
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: can beat her easily, haven't listened to what Donald Trump
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: said about Unkindly Kamala.
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: Harris broken down pilot crab.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bad he just quit. You know, he's quitting.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: The rest is that right?
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I go to and that means we have Kamala.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: She s it's you.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: There's the potential president, Amanda out playing golf and deciding
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to come. There is no problem for him.
• 46:02
  Speaker 16: Well, the reason why is that every time you listen
• 46:05
  Speaker 16: to her, she's laughing, and she's actually making light of
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: a very serious situation, which is the economy and the
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: state of the nation. And whether you like Trump or not,
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: you want someone with a business mind running an economy.
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: There shouldn't be about I don't like the look of him,
• 46:22
  Speaker 16: I don't like what he says. I don't like he's
• 46:24
  Speaker 16: got money or any of that. Or it's a woman,
• 46:27
  Speaker 16: so therefore I have to vote for a woman. No,
• 46:28
  Speaker 16: we need to be looking for someone who's economically sound,
• 46:32
  Speaker 16: has a track record of success, and that's the person
• 46:35
  Speaker 16: you want running a country's economy.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yep, Gary, let's turn our attention to housing. That story.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: During the week, they said, we want to get to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the federal government's ambition to build a million homes. We've
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: got to build one every two minutes. It's not going
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to happen in Queensland. How dire is the housing situation,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: both in construction of new properties and then the availability
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of rentals. It's a perfect storm of failure.
• 47:03
  Speaker 17: We've got a state government that can't make a decision
• 47:04
  Speaker 17: about anything anytime anywhere any more, won't release land, hasn't
• 47:08
  Speaker 17: been I mean, the housing shortage is like getting mugged
• 47:11
  Speaker 17: by a tortoise.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: You can see it coming for a long.
• 47:14
  Speaker 17: Time and yet they've done nothing, nothing about it. We're
• 47:18
  Speaker 17: short on the trade skills, only three percent of people
• 47:20
  Speaker 17: migrating to Australia. I've got building trade skills. The CFMEU
• 47:24
  Speaker 17: tax on everything built in Queensland. Developers are actually saying
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: Queensland's the worst place to invest because of various government
• 47:32
  Speaker 17: policy settings and the union movement and everybody.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: If you want to.
• 47:36
  Speaker 17: Build a little barbie in the backyard, you've got to
• 47:38
  Speaker 17: pay the same price for concrete as a taxpayer funded
• 47:41
  Speaker 17: job in the middle of town. It's not a good
• 47:43
  Speaker 17: look and it ain't going to get any better. You're
• 47:45
  Speaker 17: going to have as many targets as you like, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 17: they're not achievable.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It's a big lie, a big spin, Amanda. I found
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a perfect place for you. A landlord's advertised a balcony
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: for three hundred and sixty dollars a week with a
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: bed in it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: This is this is shocking, This is this.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Is so bad.
• 48:05
  Speaker 16: This person would be freezing in winter. And the thing
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: is is, I don't know if this is greed because
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: they can take advantage of the market, or this person's
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: so in debt with the increase of interest rates that
• 48:17
  Speaker 16: they need to do it. So I'm not quite sure
• 48:20
  Speaker 16: what's going on, but that is that absolutely calling.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I don't reckon. I could turn around in there. If
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I got up, I wouldn't be able to maneuver. I'd
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: have to back out of the room. Thank you, Amanda
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Rose exactly. Thank you amand Rose. Thank you Gary Hargrave.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: What was great to catch up with you on a
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Friday night. I mean that is symptomatic of the problem
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: with the rental crisis around Australia. Have a great weekend, everybody.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Danika coming up next. I'll talk to you next Friday.