Latest / Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast / Former Angels SS Gary DiSarcina reflects on eventful career and how he became a busy bee in retirement
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- 0:08Speaker 1: Well, hey angel fans, and welcome back to Helo Territory.
- 0:12Speaker 1: I'm Mike di Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and
- 0:15Speaker 1: host of the show, and joining me today is a
- 0:19Speaker 1: very special guest, one of my all time favorite guys
- 0:22Speaker 1: that cover. Gary Disar, seeing a form Rangels shortstop and
- 0:25Speaker 1: third base coach. Gary, Welcome to the show. How you
- 0:28Speaker 1: doing today? Doing well?
- 0:30Speaker 2: Mike? How are you doing? You look great? You haven't
- 0:32Speaker 2: changed at all.
- 0:35Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I'm not sure if the mirror
- 0:38Speaker 1: would agree with you, but you're looking pretty good too.
- 0:41Speaker 2: For what are you fifty eight? Now? Fifty eight years old?
- 0:44Speaker 2: I can't believe it's sixty three here. I can't believe
- 0:47Speaker 2: it is. It's crazy.
- 0:49Speaker 1: So we got a lot to discuss today, including the
- 0:51Speaker 1: unique and extremely sweet hobby that DSAR has taken up
- 0:55Speaker 1: in retirement. But it is opening day, so we want
- 0:58Speaker 1: to open the show a little bit baseball. Gary, you
- 1:00Speaker 1: played twelve years in the big leagues. What was opening
- 1:03Speaker 1: day like for a player? You know, you spent six
- 1:05Speaker 1: weeks in that growing spring training and then all of
- 1:07Speaker 1: a sudden the lights come on. I assume it's a
- 1:10Speaker 1: little different feeling for you. It's it's definitely an adjustment.
- 1:16Speaker 2: Number one. You're you're getting up early in spring training
- 1:19Speaker 2: and you go into the ballpark early, and the games
- 1:21Speaker 2: are usually in the afternoon, so usually Opening Night or
- 1:24Speaker 2: Opening Day, whichever one it is, is the start of
- 1:26Speaker 2: the season, obviously, and it's a change in your routine.
- 1:30Speaker 2: And there is nothing like Opening Day. You know, everyone's
- 1:34Speaker 2: oh and oh, everyone has an opportunity to, you know,
- 1:38Speaker 2: get started on the right foot. You want to get
- 1:39Speaker 2: your first things out of the way. You want to
- 1:41Speaker 2: get your first hit, your first RBI, your first run,
- 1:44Speaker 2: you first assist, all those types of things. So it's
- 1:48Speaker 2: it's the start of a new season. It's it's like
- 1:51Speaker 2: no other Probably similar to being in the playoffs is
- 1:54Speaker 2: what it's like. But it's a day you never forget,
- 1:58Speaker 2: whether you're a player or a coach standing on that line,
- 2:02Speaker 2: being announced on opening Day is really really special.
- 2:05Speaker 1: You're joining us from Cape Cudd you grew up in Massachusetts.
- 2:09Speaker 1: I assume it's a little special in Fenway Park as well.
- 2:12Speaker 1: Do you, at age fifty eight, still get a little
- 2:15Speaker 1: bit of an a drone rush this time of year
- 2:17Speaker 1: when Opening Day rolls around?
- 2:19Speaker 2: I do you know now you know, not being removed
- 2:22Speaker 2: for the last two years, not really paying close attention
- 2:25Speaker 2: to it on a daily basis. I think Opening Day
- 2:28Speaker 2: the last two years, I'll have the TV on in
- 2:30Speaker 2: the house and have you know, Nessen's on or you
- 2:34Speaker 2: know whatever the opening days games are being played, and
- 2:36Speaker 2: just to have it in the background. You do get
- 2:40Speaker 2: you do get excited for it. I'm excited for the guys,
- 2:43Speaker 2: especially for the guys you know. You know, I know
- 2:46Speaker 2: Mike Trout well, so I want him to do well,
- 2:48Speaker 2: you know, as well as possible. So it's more now
- 2:52Speaker 2: after you've been on a couple of teams, it's more
- 2:54Speaker 2: like you're rooting for certain guys, players, coaches, managers, things
- 2:58Speaker 2: like that. But it's usually here it's still kind of cold,
- 3:04Speaker 2: so you hope that the guys can and their well
- 3:07Speaker 2: tanned bodies come up here and get some hits when
- 3:10Speaker 2: it's freezing cold out. Hopefully it's no snow in the
- 3:12Speaker 2: field anymore, but it's tough. It's tough up here for
- 3:17Speaker 2: to day. I remember playing UH in Anaheim and always
- 3:21Speaker 2: being curious why I would start on the road in
- 3:23Speaker 2: a in a cold area, cold place, but there's nothing
- 3:26Speaker 2: like it getting your first hit, you know, going to
- 3:30Speaker 2: Fenway Park for me as a big league player as
- 3:34Speaker 2: always special. I don't know if you remember shurm Feller.
- 3:38Speaker 2: You remember sharm Feller. Yeah, he would always announce, Yeah,
- 3:43Speaker 2: he would always announce the local players. Now abouting ninth
- 3:47Speaker 2: wearing number eleven from Bill Ricker, Massachusetts, Gary Dee seen it,
- 3:51Speaker 2: so it do it one time as you came up
- 3:54Speaker 2: your first time as a big leaguer, and it was
- 3:56Speaker 2: really really special to hear him say that, that is
- 3:58Speaker 2: so cool.
- 3:59Speaker 1: You're native New England or as you say, grew up
- 4:01Speaker 1: in bill Rica, played college ball at UMass. I know
- 4:05Speaker 1: it was an opening day, but take us back to
- 4:07Speaker 1: that first game in Fenway Park. Did that have a
- 4:09Speaker 1: familiar feeling as opening day? What do you sort of
- 4:11Speaker 1: recall that day? I think it was May of nineteen
- 4:14Speaker 1: ninety two.
- 4:15Speaker 2: Yeah, I think number one. Getting tickets for everybody was
- 4:18Speaker 2: a bitch. I mean back then, not too many players
- 4:22Speaker 2: from Massachusetts are playing in the big leagues. You know,
- 4:24Speaker 2: you had, you know, Tommy glab and Greg Gagney, a
- 4:26Speaker 2: couple of other guys from the from the area. But
- 4:29Speaker 2: getting tickets and being from a big family and having
- 4:32Speaker 2: a lot of friends, especially in the area where you know,
- 4:35Speaker 2: growing up literally nineteen miles north of the city. I
- 4:39Speaker 2: remember Frank Sims was our travel and secretary, and I
- 4:42Speaker 2: just went to Frank and I said, I don't know
- 4:44Speaker 2: what to do. He's like, well, you got to go
- 4:45Speaker 2: swap tickets with the other guys, and you got to
- 4:47Speaker 2: you gotta do this, and you gotta do that. And
- 4:48Speaker 2: I was like, God, don't mind it. I think I
- 4:49Speaker 2: might have left forty tickets. I was overwhelmed at during
- 4:53Speaker 2: batting practice they opened the gates up early. This is
- 4:55Speaker 2: before they let people on the on the on the
- 4:59Speaker 2: field with those special tickets in the passes and the
- 5:01Speaker 2: field passes. You know, just being overwhelmed seeing them come
- 5:05Speaker 2: to the game early, people I hadn't seen in so long.
- 5:09Speaker 2: And I just remember walking after batting practice, going into
- 5:13Speaker 2: the clubhouse, taking a deep breath and just going, man,
- 5:16Speaker 2: I hope I don't screw up. There's so many people
- 5:18Speaker 2: out here.
- 5:20Speaker 1: Did you go into the green during VP or had
- 5:23Speaker 1: you been in there before I did?
- 5:25Speaker 2: I would No, I had not been in there, and
- 5:27Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about signing your name in there either,
- 5:30Speaker 2: So I did go in there. And try to find
- 5:34Speaker 2: a place assignment. I sign it way down the end.
- 5:36Speaker 2: That was really special because if you walk through there,
- 5:40Speaker 2: do you have the opportunity to go in there and
- 5:41Speaker 2: in there twice and sign my name in there as well. Yeah. Yeah,
- 5:46Speaker 2: it's so cool seeing the legends that have been in there,
- 5:49Speaker 2: and you just feel, you know, playing there as a visitor,
- 5:54Speaker 2: working there in twenty seventeen as a bench as a
- 5:57Speaker 2: bench coach, it was it was an honor to go
- 6:00Speaker 2: there and work. It was like you're in a museum
- 6:02Speaker 2: and it was really really special to have my parents.
- 6:07Speaker 2: I did hit one home run off Tom Gordon. I
- 6:10Speaker 2: can't remember the year. I think it was an O
- 6:13Speaker 2: two pitch, hit it up. Remember the nets they used
- 6:14Speaker 2: to have the net up. There was the monster, Yeah, yeah,
- 6:17Speaker 2: the monster. So I hit one up in the net.
- 6:19Speaker 2: And Joe Mooney was the old grounds keep head grounds
- 6:22Speaker 2: keep a guy, and he was a son of a gun,
- 6:25Speaker 2: you know, as far as yelling at players to get
- 6:28Speaker 2: off the field after batting practice back when we took
- 6:30Speaker 2: infield outfield we had to get off. He was just
- 6:33Speaker 2: a scruffy older guy and I was scared shitless of
- 6:37Speaker 2: him anytime I saw him. I was just scared to
- 6:39Speaker 2: death of him that night hit the ball up in
- 6:42Speaker 2: the net. And after the game we won, and we
- 6:45Speaker 2: was sitting there eating the spread, and he looked like
- 6:49Speaker 2: Fisherman Gordon. He was an older guy. He looked like
- 6:51Speaker 2: Einstein a little bit. And he tapped me on my
- 6:54Speaker 2: shoulder and I was eating the spread and I turned
- 6:56Speaker 2: around and he was standing right above me. And I
- 6:59Speaker 2: was like, oh, my god, than I do. I felt
- 7:01Speaker 2: like a twelve year old get in trouble. And he
- 7:04Speaker 2: handed me the ball and he said, kid, every time
- 7:06Speaker 2: a local boy hits a home run in the net,
- 7:08Speaker 2: I personally go up and get it, and I'm gonna
- 7:10Speaker 2: and hand it to him. So he handed it Tommy,
- 7:12Speaker 2: and I was just stunned, so thankful, appreciative of him.
- 7:16Speaker 2: Got up in my underwear and my t shirt, went outside.
- 7:19Speaker 2: My father was waiting out in front of the door,
- 7:21Speaker 2: and I handed him the ball and my dad had
- 7:23Speaker 2: a tear in his eyes. So I just thought it
- 7:26Speaker 2: was one of the nicest things someone could have done.
- 7:28Speaker 2: And you know, after that day. The next day during
- 7:32Speaker 2: Benton practice, he was still yelling at people. He was
- 7:34Speaker 2: still bitch, pruffy and a little salty out there, but
- 7:39Speaker 2: I let him have it. Do whatever you want to me.
- 7:43Speaker 2: He really created a memory for me, and I'm raver grateful. Nice.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Well, let's turn our attention to the current state of
- 7:50Speaker 1: affairs in Anaheim, which is not good. It's been ten
- 7:54Speaker 1: years since he coached for the Angels, Gary, what's it
- 7:56Speaker 1: then like sort of watching.
- 7:57Speaker 2: From afar as this team has struggled through straight losing seasons.
- 8:03Speaker 2: It's been disappointing and confusing at some points, you know,
- 8:10Speaker 2: as a as a staff member, with the Nationals and
- 8:13Speaker 2: the Mets playing them, as well as with with the
- 8:18Speaker 2: you know, with the Red Sox in twenty seventeen. More
- 8:20Speaker 2: it's twenty seventeen, they still had that little it was.
- 8:25Speaker 2: They were tough to prepare for. You talk to your
- 8:27Speaker 2: infielders about like, listen, guys, don't mess around out here.
- 8:30Speaker 2: Pick the ball up, throw it the first. These guys
- 8:32Speaker 2: run hard when they when there's a double in the gap.
- 8:34Speaker 2: Make sure you get out there be on your game,
- 8:36Speaker 2: because you know, the Angels were always known for running
- 8:38Speaker 2: the bases under Mike Soosha and all those and all
- 8:41Speaker 2: those great coaches that they've had, Ron Renicky Dino those
- 8:45Speaker 2: guys are very aggressive and they and they really put
- 8:48Speaker 2: the pressure on you. So the first couple of times
- 8:50Speaker 2: playing them as a coach, they reac havoc. They just
- 8:54Speaker 2: they steal third, They did a lot of things that
- 8:58Speaker 2: you had to be on your toes. As as I
- 9:00Speaker 2: went on, as I went to the Mets and then
- 9:01Speaker 2: the Nationals, they got easier and easier to play against.
- 9:05Speaker 2: And it was evident why. It was just a combination
- 9:09Speaker 2: of injuries players. They you know, you're only as good
- 9:16Speaker 2: as your players. It always comes down to how good
- 9:18Speaker 2: the players are. And when they started scuffling, and the
- 9:23Speaker 2: last couple of years, you could see they were much
- 9:25Speaker 2: easier play play against. You get them down on the
- 9:27Speaker 2: first or second in and and you had them, you know,
- 9:29Speaker 2: their pitching just didn't have the depth they had. Shohe
- 9:31Speaker 2: and Mike Trout, Anthony came on board a little bit,
- 9:36Speaker 2: but they just lost that pressure they used to put
- 9:40Speaker 2: on teams. And I just remember playing again, you know,
- 9:44Speaker 2: trying to prepare the guys against them, and sitting on
- 9:48Speaker 2: the sidelines watching from the dugout and just hoping that
- 9:50Speaker 2: these guys pay attention to what we talked about because
- 9:52Speaker 2: they could embarrash you. When the Angels were at their height,
- 9:55Speaker 2: they could embarrass it. As the slow decline started to
- 9:58Speaker 2: happen in the last ten year years, obviously they just
- 10:01Speaker 2: haven't performed well. It comes down to players and making
- 10:05Speaker 2: good decisions. I felt, you know, disappointed for all the
- 10:12Speaker 2: turnover they had. There's no way players can be consistent
- 10:15Speaker 2: if they have so much turnover, from from the general
- 10:18Speaker 2: manager spot all the way down to coaches. I think
- 10:21Speaker 2: you're trying to preach a program to a player. You're
- 10:24Speaker 2: trying to get him to understand how how to run
- 10:26Speaker 2: the base is, how to take turns, angles, when to
- 10:29Speaker 2: go first and third, when not to go first, all
- 10:31Speaker 2: those things. And you have one coach telling you one year,
- 10:34Speaker 2: and then two years later you have another base running
- 10:37Speaker 2: coach telling you another thing with new language, and there's
- 10:40Speaker 2: just that lost in translation feeling, and you could see
- 10:43Speaker 2: it playing against them. They just didn't have that threat
- 10:49Speaker 2: of being on the game and playing free, as Mike
- 10:53Speaker 2: used to always say. That was Mike's big mantra, play free,
- 10:56Speaker 2: be aggressive, play free, and they just seem to be
- 10:58Speaker 2: on their heels a lot. You could take advantage of
- 11:00Speaker 2: them certain situations, you know, especially like when the second
- 11:06Speaker 2: group of guys would come in, or if this somebody
- 11:08Speaker 2: hurt and somebody else was playing. You know, you could
- 11:10Speaker 2: take advantage of them in certain instances, but to me,
- 11:15Speaker 2: it's been disappointing. That's the biggest word I can think of.
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- 12:10Speaker 1: Now Welcome back, to Halo territory. Our guest is former
- 12:14Speaker 1: Angels shortstop Gary D. Sarcina, who spent nineteen years in
- 12:18Speaker 1: the Angels organization as a player, coach and in player development. Gary,
- 12:22Speaker 1: you said you made one last attempt to return to
- 12:25Speaker 1: Anaheim in twenty twenty four. I believe before deciding to retire.
- 12:30Speaker 1: What happened with that?
- 12:33Speaker 2: It was the last year with the Nationals. It was
- 12:38Speaker 2: just I was burnt out in the sense of, you know,
- 12:41Speaker 2: the grind, being away from two grandkids, being away from
- 12:44Speaker 2: all of my family, not spending a lot of time
- 12:49Speaker 2: with my wife and my and my brother and my
- 12:51Speaker 2: sister and all that stuff. So it came to just
- 12:53Speaker 2: the crossroads of even if the Nationals wanted me back,
- 12:57Speaker 2: I didn't want to go back. I just wanted to
- 12:59Speaker 2: go home and settle into a retired life. And before
- 13:04Speaker 2: I did that, I just wanted to cross that one
- 13:07Speaker 2: ex that one box about the Angels, because they've all
- 13:09Speaker 2: I grew up there, they were my team. They you know,
- 13:12Speaker 2: I go on and on and on with all my
- 13:14Speaker 2: platitudes for them. But I wanted to see if if
- 13:18Speaker 2: there was any way I could get back into the
- 13:20Speaker 2: organization to help I really believe Artie is always trying
- 13:24Speaker 2: to do the right things. He's spending money, he's, you know,
- 13:28Speaker 2: a personal guy to be around. So I just kind
- 13:30Speaker 2: of offered up my services. I called John Carpeno a
- 13:32Speaker 2: couple of times, had some good conversations with him. He
- 13:36Speaker 2: was waiting for I think it was Ron Washington that
- 13:40Speaker 2: got hired, and then he was going to connect me
- 13:42Speaker 2: with Perry and Ron, and it just never happened, never
- 13:45Speaker 2: heard from them. A couple of weeks went by, and
- 13:48Speaker 2: I said to myself, I'm not going to be pimping
- 13:50Speaker 2: myself out to go work for anybody. I've done it,
- 13:53Speaker 2: been in the game thirty years. I've offered my help.
- 13:56Speaker 2: If they don't want it, that's great, but let's move on.
- 13:59Speaker 2: So just decided to move on. And after two or
- 14:02Speaker 2: three weeks of just reflecting on my baseball career and
- 14:08Speaker 2: feeling that if the Angels don't want me as part
- 14:11Speaker 2: of the organization right now, it's time to take it
- 14:13Speaker 2: to the ranch and go home and be with my family.
- 14:16Speaker 2: And and you know, I thank the Players Association every
- 14:19Speaker 2: day for that pension check that comes in. My wife
- 14:23Speaker 2: has a great job, so everything's all good, really, looking
- 14:28Speaker 2: back on that, it was the best thing that they
- 14:30Speaker 2: never called me, because I got to become a normal
- 14:35Speaker 2: person and being with my grandkids and being with my
- 14:37Speaker 2: daughter and being my son. My son was playing independent
- 14:39Speaker 2: ball at the time in Brockton, Massachusetts, so I got
- 14:42Speaker 2: to see two summers of him playing, which I hadn't
- 14:45Speaker 2: seen him play since Little League, and I was blessed
- 14:48Speaker 2: for that.
- 14:49Speaker 1: So for the Angels not to call it was a
- 14:51Speaker 1: blessing in disguise. Mark Trumbull, my co host on the show,
- 14:55Speaker 1: has brought this up a couple of times. He gets
- 14:57Speaker 1: the sense that the Angels don't. I certainly want too
- 15:00Speaker 1: many former players around, former Angel players around. Did you
- 15:04Speaker 1: get any of that sense over the years, and maybe
- 15:07Speaker 1: that last experience.
- 15:09Speaker 2: I actually enjoy having the older players around, but I
- 15:11Speaker 2: didn't get the sense from them. I know Mike liked
- 15:13Speaker 2: when Mike was running the ship, he loved to have
- 15:15Speaker 2: everybody around. He'd bring all the guys back in spring training,
- 15:18Speaker 2: and he really believed that that was kind of how
- 15:21Speaker 2: you connect the present to the past. And it was
- 15:25Speaker 2: the same way with the Red Sox. Mike, it was
- 15:27Speaker 2: the parent they were parallel. The Red Sox always had
- 15:30Speaker 2: Yestrensky or Evans or Louis Tian around Varitec around Big Poppy,
- 15:36Speaker 2: but I didn't get I don't know, man, I just
- 15:38Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes different places you go, they have
- 15:43Speaker 2: different feelings for that, and maybe they feel threatened a
- 15:47Speaker 2: little bit that you know, Mark Blankson is going to
- 15:50Speaker 2: start to try to teach somebody how he threw his
- 15:52Speaker 2: change up, or Chuck Finley's going to try to teach
- 15:54Speaker 2: how he threw his split and it doesn't match up
- 15:58Speaker 2: with the cart pitching coach or things like that. I
- 16:03Speaker 2: just feel that nothing but good comes out of having
- 16:08Speaker 2: older players around. I mean, I look up, I have
- 16:10Speaker 2: a gene Autry picture, mister Autrey's up in my wall,
- 16:12Speaker 2: and I think of all the great times with him
- 16:14Speaker 2: and that thread that connects me back all the way
- 16:18Speaker 2: to gene Autry, and I just feel that it gets lost.
- 16:23Speaker 2: And also feel that not blaming the players, but you know,
- 16:27Speaker 2: my last year with the Nationals, I asked a couple
- 16:29Speaker 2: of guys who Weighe Bogs and Tony Gwynn were, and
- 16:32Speaker 2: they had no idea who he was, who either one were,
- 16:35Speaker 2: And I just shook my head, and I feel that
- 16:37Speaker 2: I agree with Mike, and I agree with John Farrell
- 16:40Speaker 2: and the Red Sox and having older players around and
- 16:44Speaker 2: they have experience different experiences. I can't relate to what
- 16:47Speaker 2: Tim Salmon used to go through as a hitter, but
- 16:50Speaker 2: I'm sure Rod Carew or Bobby Gritch or Doug Desense's
- 16:56Speaker 2: you can name a million guys could could relate. Davis
- 17:00Speaker 2: could relate to Tim Salmon. You know, maybe the hitting
- 17:03Speaker 2: coach who's there can't relate to him, or you could
- 17:07Speaker 2: use could use some more experience and more stories or
- 17:11Speaker 2: more what did you do? How did you approach someone?
- 17:15Speaker 2: I don't know everything in the game. You know, nobody
- 17:17Speaker 2: knows everything in the game. There's people who have different
- 17:19Speaker 2: experiences and I learned real quickly. One quick lesson I
- 17:24Speaker 2: learned with the Red Sox as a player development person
- 17:26Speaker 2: is do not become territorial. Once you become territorial, the
- 17:30Speaker 2: player is going to feel it and they're going to
- 17:32Speaker 2: turn you off. So keep your mind open to other
- 17:34Speaker 2: people the way the other people teach. And again, like
- 17:39Speaker 2: being in player development or being at the major league level,
- 17:44Speaker 2: it's not about us, it's about the players. And if
- 17:47Speaker 2: I can't make a player better, or I'm missing making
- 17:50Speaker 2: a player better, and Dick Scholfield comes into camp and
- 17:54Speaker 2: he has one little nugget to offer one of these
- 17:57Speaker 2: players and it helps. That's what therefore went out there.
- 18:01Speaker 2: I mean, I have my time as a player, and
- 18:04Speaker 2: it's great to be a big league coach, but when
- 18:07Speaker 2: you step between those lines, it's just you and I think.
- 18:11Speaker 2: I guess that's a long way to say. I have
- 18:13Speaker 2: no freaking idea what they think, but I liked having
- 18:17Speaker 2: them around myself personally. You did spend three Maybe they
- 18:22Speaker 2: feel threatened, who knows, or maybe they don't want to
- 18:24Speaker 2: see a Darren Urstad who caught the last out in
- 18:27Speaker 2: the World Series. Maybe that kind of puts them on notice.
- 18:30Speaker 2: You know, I don't know who knows. Man.
- 18:33Speaker 1: You spent three years as a Mets coach from two
- 18:35Speaker 1: twenty eighteen to twenty and two years with the Nats
- 18:38Speaker 1: after that. I understand you gained a little insight on
- 18:41Speaker 1: Anthony Rendon, the former Nets third baseman who was a
- 18:45Speaker 1: total bust after signing a seven year, two hundred and
- 18:48Speaker 1: forty five million dollars deal with the Angels before twenty twenty.
- 18:54Speaker 2: Yeah, my time with the Mets, I got to coach
- 18:56Speaker 2: third base my last three years there, and I got
- 18:59Speaker 2: to know Anthony and we played them, what sixteen seventeen
- 19:02Speaker 2: times a year, and he never missed any games and
- 19:05Speaker 2: he was always out there. I had a good relationship
- 19:07Speaker 2: with him, talked to him about pretty much everything but baseball.
- 19:12Speaker 2: I'd ask him about, you know, how can you rate
- 19:14Speaker 2: Jacob deGrom. Nobody hits him? Well, how do you do it?
- 19:17Speaker 2: And he wouldn't. He'd just kind of have the self
- 19:19Speaker 2: deprecating humor, and he was just like I just always
- 19:23Speaker 2: had this respect for him as a person. I could
- 19:24Speaker 2: tell like, I'm like, God, this guy's so successful, and
- 19:27Speaker 2: I could see the reason he's successful is because he
- 19:29Speaker 2: has other things going on in his life. And when
- 19:34Speaker 2: he went to the Angels, at first I thought he
- 19:38Speaker 2: was going to do really really well. It'd fit well
- 19:40Speaker 2: out there. I think he's from Texas, be close to
- 19:43Speaker 2: her home. And then I got like, go by the
- 19:46Speaker 2: Mets and I went to the Nationals and I started
- 19:48Speaker 2: asking around about Anthony. I started asking, like the people
- 19:51Speaker 2: in our world who really matter at work, the trainers,
- 19:57Speaker 2: the travel and secretary, the clubbies, the weight room guys,
- 20:02Speaker 2: and I just started asking like you know what the
- 20:04Speaker 2: hell happened to Anthony? How come he he left here?
- 20:07Speaker 2: I just couldn't. He's this quality, quality player. He was
- 20:10Speaker 2: a World Series champion, and to a t everyone, no
- 20:14Speaker 2: matter who I asked at that level, was like, Anthony's
- 20:17Speaker 2: a great guy. We all loved him, but we all
- 20:19Speaker 2: knew baseball wasn't his top priority. He wanted to be
- 20:22Speaker 2: with his family. And they would say to me, the
- 20:25Speaker 2: Angels are going to regret it because that's not his thing. Man,
- 20:28Speaker 2: He's good at baseball, but it's not his love. It's
- 20:33Speaker 2: not his passion. His family and friends is his passion.
- 20:36Speaker 2: So I just started wondering, like, did somebody with the
- 20:39Speaker 2: Angels not do their homework, did somebody do their homework
- 20:43Speaker 2: and voice their opinion and get shut down, or did
- 20:47Speaker 2: somebody not even care what somebody's opinion was, Because if
- 20:50Speaker 2: you're going to invest that much money in a player
- 20:52Speaker 2: for that long of a time, I'm sorry. I'm asking
- 20:56Speaker 2: the clubbies. Is this guy a good guy? Does he
- 20:58Speaker 2: tip you well? I'm asking the trainer, is he on
- 21:00Speaker 2: time for his treatments? I'm asking the weight room guys.
- 21:03Speaker 2: He committed? Is he through my through through my other
- 21:06Speaker 2: channels through whomever. I mean, if you're in the game
- 21:09Speaker 2: for five ten years, you start to have connections and
- 21:12Speaker 2: you can ask agents or somebody, what's this guy really like?
- 21:16Speaker 2: Does he treat people well? You know, things like that.
- 21:20Speaker 2: And I just feel you that somebody was negligent on
- 21:22Speaker 2: their on their on their work, somebody was lazy with
- 21:26Speaker 2: their work, or somebody just didn't give a shit and
- 21:29Speaker 2: they just said we want this guy and that's it
- 21:31Speaker 2: and they signed him. And Uh, I've always thought, do
- 21:35Speaker 2: your homework, pay attention to detail. And if you gotta
- 21:39Speaker 2: be a championship organization invest that much money in someone,
- 21:42Speaker 2: you better have some from some intel on that person.
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- 22:56Speaker 1: Welcome back to Halo Territory with Gary DiSarcina. Gary played
- 22:59Speaker 1: twelve years with the Angels from nineteen eighty nine to
- 23:02Speaker 1: two thousand, but I want to focus on two of
- 23:05Speaker 1: the more eventful years of his career, nineteen ninety five
- 23:08Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety nine. As we all know, in nineteen
- 23:11Speaker 1: ninety five that was actually my first year on the
- 23:13Speaker 1: Angels beat, and what a year it was. The Angels
- 23:16Speaker 1: had an eleven game lead in early August, and Gary,
- 23:20Speaker 1: do you star Seene of the number nine hitter in
- 23:22Speaker 1: that team, slides into second base, grabs a bag, tears
- 23:25Speaker 1: a ligament in his thumb and is out for six
- 23:28Speaker 1: or seven weeks. I think the Angels were fifty six
- 23:32Speaker 1: and thirty four when he got hurt, and they went
- 23:35Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty seven in his absence, and their lead
- 23:37Speaker 1: dwindled to two games by the time he got back
- 23:39Speaker 1: on September eighteenth, Gary, do you ever think about what
- 23:43Speaker 1: might have been had you stayed healthy that whole year?
- 23:45Speaker 1: That was year the only year he made the All
- 23:47Speaker 1: Star team? Yeah, obviously, yes.
- 23:51Speaker 2: I think. You know, back in those days, when you
- 23:55Speaker 2: slid the second base, you had to be an arm's
- 23:57Speaker 2: length away from the base, And I just remember a
- 23:59Speaker 2: sticking my own out harmlessly and hearing like a pencil snap,
- 24:03Speaker 2: and then looking down and going, oh shit. I went
- 24:06Speaker 2: over into the dugout, sat next to Rick Smith, trainer,
- 24:09Speaker 2: and said I have a problem. He said, what's the problem.
- 24:11Speaker 2: I lifted up my hand and my thumb was down
- 24:13Speaker 2: by my elbow, and he said, yeah, you have a problem.
- 24:17Speaker 2: You're out. Let's go. We can have surgery tomorrow. But yeah,
- 24:21Speaker 2: obviously do. But that actually, that was one of the
- 24:24Speaker 2: more satisfying teams I've ever played on, because everybody talks
- 24:29Speaker 2: about the collapse and everybody talks about how we blew
- 24:32Speaker 2: the division, and I don't think of it like that.
- 24:35Speaker 2: I think Seattle played their asses off and Seattle did
- 24:38Speaker 2: everything where right and they caught us. We struggled. The
- 24:41Speaker 2: one thing I could say about the injury is like
- 24:43Speaker 2: we struggled filling that gap. It kind of threw everybody
- 24:46Speaker 2: out of their roles, you know, Damien easily and Spike going.
- 24:50Speaker 2: I think we grabbed Dick Scholfield back from retirement. I
- 24:53Speaker 2: think he was building a porch in Missouri, threw him
- 24:56Speaker 2: in there. It just kind of it shows you what
- 24:59Speaker 2: depth matters on teams. It really does. Triple A players matter.
- 25:02Speaker 2: And I think if you spend well and you you
- 25:06Speaker 2: stockpile triple A, you have these players that can command
- 25:09Speaker 2: and fill in and not so much. You don't have
- 25:12Speaker 2: to come up and exceed expectation, but just hold the
- 25:14Speaker 2: fork down. And we didn't have that. And at the
- 25:16Speaker 2: same time, Seattle played really, really good baseball. But my
- 25:21Speaker 2: proudest moment was the last five days of that season.
- 25:23Speaker 2: When I think of the Angels, I think of those
- 25:25Speaker 2: last five days and how we had to win five
- 25:29Speaker 2: games in a row. We're playing on the West coast.
- 25:32Speaker 2: Seattle was in Texas. They had to lose. I think
- 25:34Speaker 2: they were therefore they might have lost their last game
- 25:37Speaker 2: in Seattle. Yeah, they had to get swept. We had
- 25:41Speaker 2: the luxury of knowing they lost that last game, and
- 25:44Speaker 2: we were going against Todd Stalemeyer of the A's and
- 25:46Speaker 2: we had problems against Todd. Todd stuffed it big time
- 25:49Speaker 2: against us. We knew we had our work cutout for us,
- 25:53Speaker 2: and we beat We beat them that last day in Anaheim.
- 25:56Speaker 2: And I'll never forget the fans that waited for us
- 25:58Speaker 2: outside of the stadium because we were packed and ready
- 26:00Speaker 2: to go to Seattle for that one game playoff, and
- 26:04Speaker 2: just the fans were tremendous and I just really feel
- 26:08Speaker 2: so blessed and so happy to go through. They wined
- 26:11Speaker 2: up around the buses. It was just awesome. Yeah. So
- 26:14Speaker 2: I remember, I knew we yeah, and I knew we
- 26:17Speaker 2: had Everyone knew we had to go face Randy Johnson,
- 26:20Speaker 2: and god, he was a bear. It was kind of
- 26:23Speaker 2: a game for like three or four innings and then
- 26:24Speaker 2: the wheels so off. I think there was a throw
- 26:26Speaker 2: down the right field line, Louis.
- 26:28Speaker 1: Soho base hit, Yeah, under JT's glove and a broken
- 26:32Speaker 1: bed and yeah, Basis it was a little league home run.
- 26:35Speaker 1: And of course I'm not sure, boy, you run into
- 26:38Speaker 1: the big unit.
- 26:39Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety.
- 26:40Speaker 1: Five, I'm not sure the current Dodger team would have
- 26:42Speaker 1: won a game up there and the Kingdom.
- 26:44Speaker 2: Remember how loud that place was and how well Yeah,
- 26:47Speaker 2: and I hit second, I think I I'm pretty sure
- 26:50Speaker 2: I hit second behind Tony Phillips. Tony went up there
- 26:54Speaker 2: as usual, Tony ran up to three to two. I
- 26:57Speaker 2: think he struck out looking and he was walking back.
- 26:59Speaker 2: We're go. It was like, God, dang man, you better
- 27:02Speaker 2: get it. Call that boy's throwing that ball hard, man like.
- 27:05Speaker 2: He was on and on as we passed each other.
- 27:08Speaker 2: It was so loud. And the first I knew we
- 27:10Speaker 2: were in trouble that first pitch. And I know Mark
- 27:13Speaker 2: knows about it. Mark Trumble must know when you can
- 27:15Speaker 2: hear a ball go by you, that first fastball that
- 27:18Speaker 2: went by, maybe it went by me in a heart.
- 27:22Speaker 2: It was a dark it looked like a p and
- 27:25Speaker 2: I said, we are in trouble. But anyway, I go
- 27:28Speaker 2: back to those last five games with Troy personal pitch
- 27:31Speaker 2: in and that I'll never forget the fans waiting for
- 27:35Speaker 2: us after the game and giving us that big send off.
- 27:38Speaker 1: That was incredible, But there was no hint of the playoffs.
- 27:41Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, when the Angels, a team many
- 27:45Speaker 1: some predicted to win the division, went seventy and ninety
- 27:48Speaker 1: two and finished twenty five games back in the division.
- 27:51Speaker 1: It was a brutal year when everything that could go
- 27:54Speaker 1: wrong did, starting in spring training with one Gary DiSarcina.
- 27:59Speaker 1: I think it was you were out there early and
- 28:01Speaker 1: I think you hadn't even had your official first work
- 28:04Speaker 1: out yet, and here you know the Angels, you know,
- 28:07Speaker 1: fluke injuries.
- 28:09Speaker 2: Take us back to that day in Tempe by helmet
- 28:12Speaker 2: On Tooeah. Yeah, we were hit hitting on the field,
- 28:17Speaker 2: and I'll never forget Matt Luke was taking ground balls
- 28:20Speaker 2: at first base right after we signed Mo Vaughn, which
- 28:23Speaker 2: you know mo Vaughn is gonna play every day there,
- 28:27Speaker 2: so I remember thinking, why is Matt Luke taking ground balls?
- 28:29Speaker 2: Took seven swings in the cage. I came out and
- 28:32Speaker 2: George Hendrick, who's the outfield coach, was hitting ground balls
- 28:36Speaker 2: to the infielders, which I thought was weird, and he
- 28:39Speaker 2: just hey, he threw the ball up too far out
- 28:41Speaker 2: in front. He reached out and he whacked my arm
- 28:43Speaker 2: and I knew right away it was broken and fell
- 28:47Speaker 2: down and sat down in the cage. George Hendrick is
- 28:51Speaker 2: one of the most respected guys in the game. Everybody
- 28:53Speaker 2: loved him. It was an accident and I knew right
- 28:57Speaker 2: you know, pain when you get pain. I was like,
- 28:59Speaker 2: I'm in trouble with went and was gone. I think, man,
- 29:02Speaker 2: I'm gon gone for three months, three and a half,
- 29:04Speaker 2: four months. Was that the year Mo fell down the
- 29:06Speaker 2: dugout too first game? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, ninety nine. Yeah,
- 29:12Speaker 2: that was a season, Mike. Going into the nineteen ninety
- 29:14Speaker 2: eight we had a pretty good year. We played well,
- 29:17Speaker 2: and I think that's where the expectations came from. And
- 29:19Speaker 2: we made some signings and Moe was the big signing.
- 29:22Speaker 2: And it's amazing what expectations do to you. You know,
- 29:26Speaker 2: when you have high expectations and you're no longer that
- 29:30Speaker 2: young core team that's trying to get their footing in
- 29:34Speaker 2: the big leagues. Now You're a team that's supposed to win,
- 29:36Speaker 2: and so our expectations to what were to win started
- 29:39Speaker 2: off tough. But it starts off tough for all teams,
- 29:43Speaker 2: many teams, and I think everyone on that team felt
- 29:47Speaker 2: frustration and anger. And as the season wore on, it
- 29:51Speaker 2: just piled on and the dog days hit and it wasn't.
- 29:55Speaker 2: It wasn't a pretty sight, I'll tell you that much.
- 29:57Speaker 2: I came back, I think maybe shoot in the season. Yeah,
- 30:01Speaker 2: in June and I walked into a clubhouse. I was like, oh, whoa,
- 30:06Speaker 2: I need to reassess some things. It was wasn't Disneyland,
- 30:11Speaker 2: wasn't happy thir So it kind of boiled over in Cleveland.
- 30:16Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to get to that. That team
- 30:18Speaker 1: is actually only six and a half back at the
- 30:20Speaker 1: All Star break, but they lost fourteen to fifteen to
- 30:22Speaker 1: in July. Then in early August, I remember we're in
- 30:26Speaker 1: old Jacobs Field, well the old name, and I think
- 30:29Speaker 1: you blew an eight run lead, seventh inning, gave up
- 30:32Speaker 1: five and the seventh five in the eighth lost a game,
- 30:35Speaker 1: big brawl and during the brawl.
- 30:38Speaker 2: Move on standing in the dugout.
- 30:41Speaker 1: And the next day I walked into that clubhouse, and
- 30:43Speaker 1: it was I've been in clubhouses for thirty five forty years.
- 30:47Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever felt more tense clubhouse before
- 30:53Speaker 1: or after a game, and you could just feel it.
- 30:55Speaker 1: And there were some issues that day. And from what
- 30:59Speaker 1: I've been told, some guy marched into Terry Collins office
- 31:01Speaker 1: with a little demand.
- 31:02Speaker 2: Is that true? Yeah? I wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, I
- 31:06Speaker 2: like memory doesn't isn't crystal clear, but I wouldn't doubt it.
- 31:10Speaker 2: I might have been one of them.
- 31:11Speaker 1: If Mo's in the lineup, we're not playing the next thing.
- 31:15Speaker 2: I think resigned, Yeah, I think the culmination when he
- 31:19Speaker 2: came back home, and I think Terry resigned. But it
- 31:21Speaker 2: was a culmination of things that had gone on all
- 31:23Speaker 2: year long, and it was just losing is a bitch losing.
- 31:27Speaker 2: Losing can do crazy things to people. You know, when
- 31:30Speaker 2: you're winning, you know little things can be overlooked, but
- 31:33Speaker 2: when you're when you're losing. I think the biggest thing
- 31:36Speaker 2: reflecting on that, I give Mo a little bit of
- 31:39Speaker 2: bete for the doubt. He might have been dh and
- 31:41Speaker 2: he might have been up in the clubhouse. He might
- 31:44Speaker 2: have got ejected or he was dhing. I can't remember who. Yeah, yeah,
- 31:49Speaker 2: And it was a really good brawl. I mean it
- 31:51Speaker 2: was knuckles were being thrown, Troy thick of it. I
- 31:55Speaker 2: got stepped on and all that's the Troy drilled. I
- 31:58Speaker 2: think it was David Justice, and I remember being on
- 32:01Speaker 2: the bottom of pile with Troy Glous just going holy shit.
- 32:04Speaker 2: I just covering up and just hoping that I come
- 32:06Speaker 2: out of it with my you know, not too many stitches.
- 32:10Speaker 2: And then we all kind of stood up and looked
- 32:12Speaker 2: and Mo is in the dugout, Our biggest, strongest, meanest
- 32:18Speaker 2: guy was in the dugout, and I think that was
- 32:21Speaker 2: the tipping point, you know, everybody, it was the awful
- 32:24Speaker 2: one one for all. Slogan was not there, that model
- 32:28Speaker 2: was gone, and I think guys really and that might
- 32:31Speaker 2: have been Mo's first year, I believe, and the guys were,
- 32:34Speaker 2: you know, again going back to if you're going to
- 32:37Speaker 2: sign somebody long term for a lot of money, you
- 32:39Speaker 2: got to know an awful lot about him. And that
- 32:42Speaker 2: was to me, that was a shining example of whether
- 32:46Speaker 2: whether Moe was just late getting down, whether Moe didn't
- 32:48Speaker 2: know what was going on. But you know, I don't
- 32:51Speaker 2: know what happened, but I do know he wasn't out
- 32:53Speaker 2: there with us, and I think a lot of people
- 32:57Speaker 2: included myself, took exception to it, you know, until finding
- 33:00Speaker 2: out what was really going on. Yeah, you know, I'm
- 33:02Speaker 2: not going to go out and get my ass beat
- 33:04Speaker 2: while you sit in the dugout and just look and watch.
- 33:07Speaker 2: It wasn't fun.
- 33:09Speaker 1: We did get back to Anaheim the next day and
- 33:11Speaker 1: Terry Collins did step down as man. It's down as manager.
- 33:14Speaker 1: And I went back and looked at the story I
- 33:16Speaker 1: wrote that day, and I wrote the players had quote
- 33:19Speaker 1: taking turns pointing fingers at one another for being soft,
- 33:23Speaker 1: for not taking losing heart enough, for having a lackadaisic latitude,
- 33:27Speaker 1: for being unprofessional, and for putting individual goals above team goals.
- 33:31Speaker 1: And when they ran out of those complaints, they ripped
- 33:33Speaker 1: one another for airing their beefs.
- 33:35Speaker 2: In the media. Was that fair? Fair? I think? Well
- 33:40Speaker 2: that's good to know, you know, Mike. You know, Mike,
- 33:42Speaker 2: I've always respected you as a as a writer and
- 33:45Speaker 2: as a beat writer, especially because you're with us all
- 33:47Speaker 2: the time, and you know, you got to take the
- 33:50Speaker 2: good with the bad, like you didn't always rip us.
- 33:53Speaker 2: You didn't always be hard. You were always hard on
- 33:55Speaker 2: us when we were When we did good things, you
- 33:57Speaker 2: wrote good things. It's just the way of the world.
- 33:59Speaker 2: It's our business. This. If you're gonna have thin skin
- 34:01Speaker 2: and worry about what the beat writers talking to you
- 34:05Speaker 2: about or writing about you, then you got issues. You know,
- 34:08Speaker 2: you gonna worry about what you gotta do on the field.
- 34:10Speaker 2: And that's how you saw it. I was in the
- 34:14Speaker 2: middle of it. Yeah, correct, like you should write those things.
- 34:20Speaker 2: It was a year at the at the end of
- 34:22Speaker 2: the year where you just go, I want to go home,
- 34:24Speaker 2: you know, I just want to go.
- 34:27Speaker 1: I remember Dave Hollins, the first guy who ever heard
- 34:31Speaker 1: this term. It'd be like the last week of a
- 34:34Speaker 1: brutal season. He'd give me that side eye and he's like,
- 34:37Speaker 1: six days till we can choose our own friends.
- 34:41Speaker 2: Yea, unless have been with that year was like it was.
- 34:45Speaker 2: It was like that. It was difficult because you're with
- 34:47Speaker 2: a lot of your core guys and you're just thinking,
- 34:52Speaker 2: you know, how are we going to turn this around?
- 34:54Speaker 2: We have to somehow turn around the culture because the
- 34:58Speaker 2: culture was just deteriorate in front of our eyes. And
- 35:00Speaker 2: what you wrote is correct one correct when we had
- 35:04Speaker 2: to turn it around and going into that offseason, I
- 35:08Speaker 2: think you have to reflect, you really do. You have
- 35:11Speaker 2: to reflect what's important to you? You know, team about
- 35:15Speaker 2: self is that important to you. We're going to take
- 35:17Speaker 2: the next step. I feel like ninety eight, ninety nine
- 35:21Speaker 2: we were ready to take the next step to be
- 35:23Speaker 2: playoff contenders, to win a division, but we just didn't
- 35:26Speaker 2: know how to win. We just didn't know how to
- 35:28Speaker 2: do it. And you know, Mike Sosha came on board.
- 35:31Speaker 2: I can't remember it was two thousand and two thousand
- 35:33Speaker 2: and one, and he brought two thousand. He brought immediate legitimacy,
- 35:38Speaker 2: and he brought championship. Like when I think of Mike Sosher,
- 35:41Speaker 2: I think of a champion. And he came in and
- 35:45Speaker 2: instilled a different way of playing the game. He basically said,
- 35:49Speaker 2: everyone has a new slate. I don't give a shit
- 35:52Speaker 2: what happened last year. We're playing the game free. We're
- 35:55Speaker 2: going to play exciting ball, a style of ball. I
- 36:00Speaker 2: can't remember a quick story, quick story on Mike the
- 36:02Speaker 2: first his first camp with us. We're probably a week
- 36:05Speaker 2: into games, and I believe Tim Salmon took a three
- 36:08Speaker 2: to zero pitch and I was in the dugout and
- 36:11Speaker 2: Mike said, does anybody fucking swing three oh? On this club?
- 36:16Speaker 2: Is anybody swing three oh? And I just remember hearing.
- 36:20Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, no, we're not supposed to, like we
- 36:23Speaker 2: were never given that freedom. And so Mike opened us up.
- 36:28Speaker 2: He opened up to play free. He ran a great camp,
- 36:32Speaker 2: and that kind of like for the core of the guys.
- 36:34Speaker 2: I know, my career was kind of winding down through injuries,
- 36:37Speaker 2: but I was still around and I'm still watching Buddy Black,
- 36:40Speaker 2: Joe Men, Ron Rennicky Alfredo, all these guys were champions
- 36:44Speaker 2: and they came in and what coaches can do is
- 36:47Speaker 2: they can calm things down. They can just you know,
- 36:51Speaker 2: show up. We're playing today. We're going to win today's game,
- 36:54Speaker 2: and then we'll show up tomorrow. We're gonna win when
- 36:56Speaker 2: tomorrow's game. They didn't come in talking about winning a championship.
- 37:00Speaker 2: They just came in about let's win today's game. It's
- 37:01Speaker 2: a baseball game, let's win it. They just had to.
- 37:05Speaker 2: That crew that came in with Mike just had had
- 37:09Speaker 2: the touch, you know, And I think everybody, the core
- 37:12Speaker 2: young guys, Gary Anders and myself firstee, all those guys
- 37:16Speaker 2: took notice, like, all right, we want to be champions.
- 37:20Speaker 2: This is how you have to do it. These guys
- 37:21Speaker 2: have proven even though we hated the Dodgers and we
- 37:23Speaker 2: didn't like where he came from, he brought that mentality
- 37:28Speaker 2: and he freed everyone up. That's the best way to
- 37:32Speaker 2: describe it.
- 37:34Speaker 1: We're going to now change gears completely and talk about
- 37:37Speaker 1: what disa are a grandfather of how many?
- 37:40Speaker 2: Now? Three? Three? My wife has a granddaughter and tremendous were.
- 37:47Speaker 1: Talking about what he's been doing in retirement. And for
- 37:50Speaker 1: those watching on YouTube, this picture will tell a story. Gary,
- 37:54Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us what we're looking at right here?
- 37:59Speaker 2: That's bee keeping? Bee keeping one on one.
- 38:03Speaker 1: Be keeping one on one? How did you get into
- 38:05Speaker 1: be that's your wife? I assume, yeah, that's Julie? Yeah,
- 38:09Speaker 1: all right, how did I get into it?
- 38:11Speaker 2: I was coaching third base, I believe in Tempe, Arizona
- 38:14Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. I might have been the first or
- 38:17Speaker 2: second game against the Royals and Mike Mustakas was playing third,
- 38:22Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Alex Gordon, their left field
- 38:24Speaker 2: or Lorenzo came and their center fielder was sprinting at us,
- 38:28Speaker 2: and then Mike started coming near me, and I'm like,
- 38:30Speaker 2: why are these guys sprinting over here? I don't even think.
- 38:33Speaker 2: I think it was when the picture was warming up
- 38:35Speaker 2: for the inning and looked up above him and I
- 38:37Speaker 2: saw that. We saw this dark cloud and everybody scattered.
- 38:40Speaker 2: It was a swarm of bees. And I didn't know
- 38:42Speaker 2: a damn thing about bees. I just was scared of him.
- 38:45Speaker 2: I didn't want to get strong, went into the dugout.
- 38:48Speaker 2: We kind of separate everybody. I don't know how long
- 38:51Speaker 2: at the time of the break was, but the swarm
- 38:53Speaker 2: settled on the microphone behind home plate, huge swarm. They
- 38:58Speaker 2: called the Phoenix Fire Department. They came down and they'd
- 39:01Speaker 2: killed them all. They smoke, They put that foamy stuff
- 39:04Speaker 2: on him and killed them all. I come back out
- 39:06Speaker 2: to coach third base and Ned Yost is going ballistic
- 39:10Speaker 2: at the fire department, screaming and yelling from the dugout,
- 39:13Speaker 2: going off, you should have got a bee keeper. You
- 39:16Speaker 2: didn't have to kill. That's sixty thousand bees. Do you
- 39:18Speaker 2: know what those bees? Could?
- 39:20Speaker 3: You know?
- 39:20Speaker 2: They're so important to our agriculture. And he was red
- 39:23Speaker 2: like a tomato screaming. So I went over to Moose
- 39:25Speaker 2: and I said, Moose, what is going on with your manager?
- 39:28Speaker 2: And he goes d Sun Man. He's an outdoorsman. He
- 39:31Speaker 2: loves it. He has big acreages. He has three over
- 39:34Speaker 2: four five hundred acres in Georgia. He hunts, he has farms,
- 39:38Speaker 2: he has bee hives. And he said that all they
- 39:40Speaker 2: need to do is call it a beekeeper, grab one bee,
- 39:43Speaker 2: the queen bee, and then they all would have left.
- 39:46Speaker 2: So I was like, wow, that's his passion for it
- 39:49Speaker 2: just got me. I was like, what the hell, man,
- 39:51Speaker 2: this guy's really passionate about bees, which I thought was hilarious.
- 39:56Speaker 2: So the next day I just started researching him. I
- 39:58Speaker 2: got on the internet a little bit, started researching them,
- 40:01Speaker 2: and I just started. I got hooked. I started learning
- 40:03Speaker 2: about him. I was curious. I wanted to learn more.
- 40:07Speaker 2: But you can't you can't have bees. You can't be
- 40:09Speaker 2: a beekeeper if you're working in your way unless you
- 40:12Speaker 2: have somebody do the hives for you. So coincide with
- 40:15Speaker 2: the angels not calling me back, I said, this is
- 40:17Speaker 2: a perfect time to get to the bees. So I
- 40:20Speaker 2: was joined. I was, actually, I do want to go back.
- 40:23Speaker 1: I was in Tempe that day and I looked up
- 40:25Speaker 1: the story and I wrote that a massive swarm of
- 40:29Speaker 1: bees send players running for cover and fans in a
- 40:31Speaker 1: section near the first base Dugout made a bee line
- 40:35Speaker 1: for the concourse just before first pitch, delaying the game
- 40:40Speaker 1: for ten minutes. And here was a ned ghost quote
- 40:44Speaker 1: after the game, he said, I've never seen mass b
- 40:48Speaker 1: genocide like that. All you have to do is get
- 40:50Speaker 1: some smoke. Trust me, I live in the country. You
- 40:52Speaker 1: take some smoke out there because the queen is in
- 40:54Speaker 1: there somewhere. You get a shop back and you suck
- 40:57Speaker 1: them all in and take them out to the parking lot.
- 41:00Speaker 1: Let them go. They're just honey bees. Man, there's a
- 41:03Speaker 1: decline in honeybees. We need them. It was sad to see,
- 41:07Speaker 1: but they had to do what they had to do.
- 41:10Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember reading that quote, but
- 41:11Speaker 1: I assume that just his reaction on the field kind
- 41:14Speaker 1: of inspired you for this whole thing.
- 41:15Speaker 2: Huh yeah. I mean, I'm curious by nature, and I
- 41:18Speaker 2: think not knowing anything about him, and then hearing the
- 41:22Speaker 2: passion coming out of them and the Dugout. I can't
- 41:24Speaker 2: remember if I read that, but I do remember thinking
- 41:30Speaker 2: to myself, this must be worth looking into. So getting
- 41:34Speaker 2: into it, working into it. You know, it coincided with
- 41:36Speaker 2: the angels not calling back. I came home joined the
- 41:41Speaker 2: local bee club, which is hilarious. I just think it's
- 41:44Speaker 2: the most funniest thing. Like here I end at a
- 41:47Speaker 2: B club and taking a B class. We took a
- 41:49Speaker 2: six week B class. The whole time, I'm laughing. This
- 41:53Speaker 2: is crazy, sitting with like farmers from Cape Cotton a
- 41:57Speaker 2: B class, just swapping stories and learning. And then we
- 42:03Speaker 2: got three hives up and going and I actually asked
- 42:06Speaker 2: tim Me to get me Ned Yost his number connected
- 42:09Speaker 2: with Ned and mentioned to him, took some pictures and
- 42:13Speaker 2: some videos and mentioned to him how his passion helped
- 42:16Speaker 2: me get into it. I think we're going into year three.
- 42:19Speaker 2: We had some honey. We pulled our first honey last
- 42:21Speaker 2: year and we decided to just give it to family
- 42:25Speaker 2: and friends. We're not going to sell it. It's been
- 42:29Speaker 2: quite the adventure. It's a little bit's a hobby, but
- 42:32Speaker 2: a little bit more than a hobby. It's not fun
- 42:35Speaker 2: getting stung, But every time you get stung, it's usually
- 42:38Speaker 2: your fault because you're an idiot. I went out there
- 42:40Speaker 2: with flip flops one day and putting the water in
- 42:43Speaker 2: the bird bass because they drank water, which I never
- 42:46Speaker 2: knew bees drink a ton of water. And I had
- 42:48Speaker 2: flip flops of tank and shorts on it like a
- 42:52Speaker 2: dumb ass putting water in the bird And I looked
- 42:56Speaker 2: down and I had fifty bees on my feet. So
- 42:58Speaker 2: you got to be somewhat responsible. And I'll tell you
- 43:02Speaker 2: it gets get stung a couple of times. You learn,
- 43:04Speaker 2: you learn your lesson quick. But it's been awesome. It's
- 43:07Speaker 2: been it's been such a good thing for me.
- 43:09Speaker 1: We do have a little time less video of you
- 43:12Speaker 1: in action once you sort of tell us what the
- 43:14Speaker 1: process that you're doing. In this video, that is, we're
- 43:21Speaker 1: inspecting the hive. We're going we're I think on the
- 43:24Speaker 1: bottom box. There's two boxes, and the bottom boxes usually
- 43:27Speaker 1: where the queen is, so we're doing a little bit
- 43:30Speaker 1: of inspection.
- 43:30Speaker 2: That's my niece and my wife and myself. That can
- 43:37Speaker 2: be that can be fun, and it can get your
- 43:39Speaker 2: heart rate going up pretty quick when you start popping
- 43:41Speaker 2: open boxes. Because that that specific little time last video.
- 43:46Speaker 2: It was kind of a full inspection and you had
- 43:48Speaker 2: to go deep down into the into the hives, and
- 43:52Speaker 2: they have their own personalities. And in certain days, if
- 43:54Speaker 2: it's a hot day and they're not happy and you
- 43:56Speaker 2: start going through their their frames and start pulling pulling
- 44:00Speaker 2: frames out and they're having a bad day, they can
- 44:02Speaker 2: be riled up quickly. And a lot of times you
- 44:05Speaker 2: just say, you know what, I'll get you another day,
- 44:07Speaker 2: close it up, and not deal with them. Because the
- 44:13Speaker 2: crazy thing is is one of the things I didn't
- 44:15Speaker 2: know is the sound like the sound of a bunch
- 44:19Speaker 2: of bees in a hive that gets your heart rate
- 44:22Speaker 2: up quick because it sounds nasty, It sounds like you
- 44:27Speaker 2: would imagine. But when you're fully when when you have
- 44:30Speaker 2: the full uniform on like we had right there, the
- 44:32Speaker 2: only way they're really going to get you is if
- 44:33Speaker 2: you forget to zip up something or velcrow something, which
- 44:36Speaker 2: I've done, which I've got them in like I've got
- 44:38Speaker 2: stung like three or four times in my face just
- 44:40Speaker 2: forgetting to zip it up. Because again I'm part idiot,
- 44:45Speaker 2: So part idiot that happens to you.
- 44:48Speaker 1: Do you know how many bees? Do you know how
- 44:50Speaker 1: many bees per hive? There is roughly Well, it starts
- 44:53Speaker 1: out when you get them at the like. We'll get
- 44:55Speaker 1: them at April fifteenth. If your hives don't make it
- 44:59Speaker 1: through the win, which we lost two out of three,
- 45:02Speaker 1: so we'll get two hives. You'll get one queen and
- 45:05Speaker 1: ten thousand bees come with them. Come with her.
- 45:09Speaker 2: At the heat of the summer, roughly around August, you'll
- 45:13Speaker 2: probably have sixty five seventy thousand bees per hive. So
- 45:17Speaker 2: you can imagine our backyard was filled up with some signs,
- 45:21Speaker 2: some bes how much how much honey do they produce?
- 45:26Speaker 2: We pulled five frames from one box. A box has
- 45:31Speaker 2: ten frames. We pulled five frames last year. We got
- 45:34Speaker 2: forty eight pounds of honey on the frames and that's
- 45:38Speaker 2: probably about twenty eight twenty nine pounds of honey right there.
- 45:41Speaker 2: And two different types of jars. One jar is the
- 45:44Speaker 2: friend and is the friend and family jar, the big jar.
- 45:47Speaker 2: The smaller jar is the in law out law jars
- 45:50Speaker 2: that we used to give it we give away, but
- 45:53Speaker 2: now we give them the family and frames. It's all good,
- 45:55Speaker 2: it's fun. That was that was a very exciting day.
- 45:58Speaker 2: That was the first time we pulled it. And uh,
- 46:01Speaker 2: that's only half of one box. So you can imagine
- 46:04Speaker 2: if you have another box and a half. I mean,
- 46:07Speaker 2: you basically gotta start becoming a factory out there, and
- 46:10Speaker 2: we don't when I want that. How do you manage
- 46:12Speaker 2: the bee population? I assume you there's ways to monitor
- 46:16Speaker 2: their health and everything. Yeah, you got to monitor their health.
- 46:19Speaker 2: Their biggest nemesis that it's called the varomite, which is
- 46:22Speaker 2: a mite that was brought over from Europe a long
- 46:25Speaker 2: time ago.
- 46:25Speaker 1: You could tell I took B class, right, Oh yeah, sorry.
- 46:32Speaker 2: I gotta B minus. That's a good one min. There's
- 46:35Speaker 2: the drums, the drum roll. There's the drum roll. That
- 46:38Speaker 2: was actually pretty good mite. If you if you think
- 46:42Speaker 2: of a varamite as a tick. So the bees go
- 46:46Speaker 2: to the flowers, the veramites jump on the back of
- 46:49Speaker 2: the bee, and the bee takes the veramite back to
- 46:52Speaker 2: the hive. She doesn't know it, and varamites are extremely smart.
- 46:57Speaker 2: They'll jump off the back and they wait. They wait
- 47:00Speaker 2: until the queen lays an egg, and they'll find the
- 47:03Speaker 2: chamber where the queen lays an egg, and then they'll
- 47:05Speaker 2: jump in that chamber right before it's sealed off. And
- 47:08Speaker 2: then they eat the eat, the the baby, the baby egg,
- 47:12Speaker 2: the egg and these things, these things will destroy you know,
- 47:17Speaker 2: ned Yost was talking about the bee population getting crushed.
- 47:20Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest reasons they get crushed is
- 47:22Speaker 2: because every time you every time you treat them with
- 47:25Speaker 2: a chemical that's safe, safe for everybody. So the bees
- 47:29Speaker 2: can walk on it and it won't affect them. You eat,
- 47:32Speaker 2: they can touch their honey, it won't affect us. But
- 47:35Speaker 2: the veroa mighte has, you know, got used to a
- 47:39Speaker 2: lot of the chemicals and just keeps changing and just
- 47:41Speaker 2: keeps morphing, and it just destroys highs left and right.
- 47:46Speaker 2: Like it's pretty it's pretty disappointing. You go out there
- 47:49Speaker 2: in January or end of end of December to insulate
- 47:52Speaker 2: your hide and get them ready for the winter, and
- 47:54Speaker 2: you pop it open and there's you know, sixty thousand
- 47:57Speaker 2: bees down dead and that's could be the depress and
- 48:00Speaker 2: it's that arrowa might gets them, just kills them. Well,
- 48:03Speaker 2: what's end the show.
- 48:04Speaker 1: On an educational note, just remind all our listeners, our
- 48:07Speaker 1: viewers how important our honeybees to the environment.
- 48:12Speaker 2: Super important. You know, for all you people who live
- 48:15Speaker 2: in California who have almond trees, you know, they'll the
- 48:17Speaker 2: almond companies will it's a million dollar business. They'll ship
- 48:22Speaker 2: honeybees from Georgia up during the pollinate and season and
- 48:27Speaker 2: they will just you know, feed those trees and pollinate.
- 48:32Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure two thirds of our agriculture depend
- 48:36Speaker 2: on them. So things you eat that you don't even
- 48:38Speaker 2: know that's been cross pollinated or helped out by the bees. Again,
- 48:43Speaker 2: it's a little bit more than a hobby. When you retire,
- 48:46Speaker 2: you have to or when you get close to retiring,
- 48:48Speaker 2: you have to get some things in your mind that
- 48:50Speaker 2: you want to do, because you just can't sit around
- 48:52Speaker 2: and do nothing all day. So find something that you're
- 48:55Speaker 2: interested in, get after it, enjoy it. And the best
- 48:59Speaker 2: part about this is the liquid gold at the end
- 49:02Speaker 2: taste so good, you know, and it's it's from your backyard,
- 49:05Speaker 2: so it's fresh as a daisy.
- 49:07Speaker 1: All right, we'll close the show with that. Gary Di Sarsena,
- 49:10Speaker 1: always a pleasure to catch you up with you. Thanks
- 49:13Speaker 1: for joining us today, Thanks for your time. Halo fans,
- 49:17Speaker 1: please like and subscribe where Halo territory. Hope you all
- 49:21Speaker 1: enjoy opening Day and Opening Day weekend, and we'll see
- 49:24Speaker 1: you next time on Halo territory