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MaryAnna Clemons | The Christian Reeve Podcast #244 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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Podcast. Now in this second part of a
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two-part interview series with Marianna Clemens, we cover some
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pretty heavy topics. I'm just going to say we cover
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topics like suicide and abuse and things like that, so.
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This is a trigger warning for you, for anyone that might be
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watching or listening to the show.
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Please, you know, reconsider listening to the show if that's
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a source of trauma for you. I know these topics can be
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pretty difficult to get through sometimes.
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I will say this though, Mariano shares a really, really kind of
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touching experience. And.
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You know, we we, we go back and forth on it.
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And I made a point of during the episode when it came up to share
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my thoughts on it. And I I said in that that I
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would leave some links and I have done.
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If you look in the description below, you'll see links to where
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if you're struggling you can get help.
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And I want to reiterate that here there's always help out
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there. You're never alone, no matter
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how you might feel. So just keep that in mind and I
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hope that you you get something out of this show, something
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positive. I did reconsider whether or not
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to actually publish this, whether to to take it out.
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I spoke with Marianna about it and in the end I I decided that
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it was the right move to include it.
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I think it's important that we talk about these topics and make
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people realise that it's OK to talk about these these problems
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that we have in life. It's OK to be struggling and we
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got to work together to get through these difficult things
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in life, you know, these challenges.
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listening to this and you're struggling, please reach out,
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People that want to help, even if you feel like no one cares,
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Now without further ado, let's get into the show, shall we?
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Today's guest is an energy reader, psychic animal
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communicator, and I think I've got this right evidential
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medium. Welcome to the show, Marianna
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Clements. How you doing?
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Thank you. And you did get that right.
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I got that. I always get a sense of
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satisfaction when I get that, especially with people's names
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as well. Like if I could nail it the
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first time, it's like, yeah. I love it.
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Believe it or not, a lot of people get that very simple name
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wrong a lot. So I appreciate the, I
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appreciate the respect you put on it.
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I mean, it seems a pretty straightforward name.
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What's the worst way someone said that?
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Oh gosh. Mary, Etta, Mary, Jo, Mary Lou,
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Mary Ann. Well, that's not.
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That's not the same name though. No, it is.
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I know. Someone, someone, someone said
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to me the other day like oh it was I was doing a live stream
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and I think their name was. Rebecca or Rebecca?
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And they were like, oh, someone called me Rachel.
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And I was like, but that's not what What do you mean?
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They called you Rachel? That's not the same name.
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What? I I couldn't agree with you
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more. Honestly.
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If you want to impress people the first time, ask him how to
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say that you know. Make sure you get their name
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right and ask him. I do.
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I I start every reading I have with Am I saying your name
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right? Because our names hold a lot of
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importance. I think.
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Regardless of what your beliefs are, because I know where you're
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going with this, and we'll touch on stuff like that in a bit
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because what you're referring to is like the spiritual
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significance of it and stuff, I would imagine, like that, you
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know, that all the expression, what's in the name?
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Well, apparently there's a lot in the name.
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But whether or not you believe in that, it's just personal,
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isn't it? It's just a matter of being
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polite, you know? Yeah, it's like you get
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someone's name wrong. And there's one thing if you've
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got like a really difficult name, I understand that, you
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know. It's it's I mean even the person
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who has the name, they know, they know they probably you know
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and they'll probably give you like a oh wait, just call me
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this. Everyone calls me this.
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But when it's sort of straightforward and and you get
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it wrong, like I have the same problem with my name for some
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reason. So my name is Christian.
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Chris Christian. I need those really, really
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close to me. Call me Chris though but
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Christian, pretty straightforward.
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But people often change it to Christopher.
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Which may Maybe they're just thinking of Superman, which is
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like, ha ha OK, I have the same surname but no relation.
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But again that that infuriates me because it is a different
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name. Christian and Christopher,
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Sorry, I'm just going to go on a bit of a rant for a second like
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what is that like? Would.
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That's not again same thing. It's two different names or or
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or. And again, maybe I'm just being
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picky with this, but when they add a letter that's not there,
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so I often get Christian Reeves, it's like there's no S there.
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Why are you putting an S there? Do you know what I mean?
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Or Chris Reeves. I'm just like, well, it's not my
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name and it's just and I used to, here's here's what I do,
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right? If it's written down and it's
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there somewhere, a lot of the time I won't correct it.
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I'll just leave it because it's not my name.
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Anyone can see that if someone introduces me as that?
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I did it one time on someone else's show.
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They introduced me as like Christian Reeves or something.
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And I was like, it's Reeve and it sounds, it sounds so like,
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oh, big timer, like, Oh no, this is how you're saying my name,
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like, I'm important, right? But at the same time, it's your
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name, you know. I used to have a really hard
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time correcting people about my name, and the older I'm getting,
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the easier it's getting because people call me Mary Ann and
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there's just one more letter. It's Mary Anna.
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And in fact, I I still have family relatives that call me
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Nah, because for the longest time, my my twin brother and
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sister couldn't call me Marianne.
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Nah. So they just call me Nah.
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So I've gotten better correcting people because it's just kind of
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a red flag for me, honestly. It means to me.
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It means you didn't give it that extra 2 seconds.
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Bingo. Of of cognitive attempt.
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Who mentioned there? Obviously, you hinted at the
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fact that there's more in a name.
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Let's talk about that for a second.
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What's the spiritual significance of a name?
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Now, to give people some context here, sometimes a name is given
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to a person because it holds some sort of particular
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significance. You know, it could be that the
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name has historical significance or maybe it's a religious name.
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I mean, for instance, I have a religious name, but I'm not in
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the slightest bit religious. But you know, it's I think
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Christian just means follower of God.
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Or follow Jesus or something, supposedly.
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But yeah, just going back to my question, like what is the
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spiritual significance of a name?
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Well, interestingly enough, I'm actually probably the least woo
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woo medium that you'll ever talk to.
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So I know, I know, yes. And so the significance to me is
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just effort. On the other part, I go really
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basic. I go really practical.
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I do know in numerology you have certain numbers that go with
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certain letters, which you know, then you have a life path and a
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spirit path. And I don't do numerology and I
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don't do astrology. And I think it's just the lack
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of effort gives me a red flag. So I'm it's funny because I'm
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not gonna go. Like in the vibration and
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frequency, although that does everything has a vibration and
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everything has a frequency. But honestly it's just about not
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being a turd head and getting getting someone's name right.
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I forgot to ask you about the the ability to have a potty
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mouth on the show, so I'm. Oh yeah, my kind of.
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I've never really set an established rule on it.
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It used to be no swearing. But if people would drop an F
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bomb or whatever, I wouldn't really be that bomb and I would
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say, yeah, few swear words here and there, just.
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Her head is better though, OK? Oh yeah, yeah.
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Well, that's yeah, that's fine. It's more like if someone drops
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the C bomb and I'm not expecting and I'm like, whoa.
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But as an as an American, the C word is incredibly offensive.
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Yeah, it's interesting. It's like levels in Australia,
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not offensive. If anything it's a compliment in
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America. Yeah, well, yeah, it would Term
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of endearment, I don't know it's.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't.
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I don't really understand Australians.
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I love your. Well, and people over here,
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they'll say bitch that way like, hey, bitch, you know, And I'm
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like standing there going, Oh no, I think I'm too old for that
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one. Thank you.
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That one's interesting because it's it's not like necessarily a
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really bad swear word, but it's I always look at with swear
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words and in general it's about more so intention and how it's
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used, because I've heard people say that and it doesn't feel
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offensive at all. But then I've heard it in other
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contexts and it's like, wow, that's really offensive.
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So I think it's more about maybe your tonality, the way you say
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it, the context. And there's there's a lot of
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factors really involved with that.
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Yeah, you know. So you are an energy reader.
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Walk us through this. What is this?
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One of the reasons that I that. OK, so I started off.
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I had never actually had a tarot reading myself, and I had never
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had a mediumship reading myself, although I had been interested
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in that sort of thing. But I'm at a certain age where
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when I was younger, I'm a Gen. Xer.
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And when I was younger, there was no Internet.
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There was no easy way to learn any of this stuff.
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And so I just flat never learned it.
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And every time I would pick up a tarot deck, I'm like, I can
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barely learn. I can barely remember what I had
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for breakfast, let alone learn 78 definitions of 78 cards.
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And then if you reverse them, it's 78 more.
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So Long story short, after I left a dysfunctional
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relationship, I started getting into this and it was almost as
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if kind of the spirit world just handed me a bunch of stuff and
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said well. You've waited long enough.
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You've waited too long and they just started showing me things
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that I could do. But as I did them, I kept doing
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a little more and a little more and a little more and pretty
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much now during a reading, it's completely mix and match.
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We could start out with your animal and go to a Passover
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grandma, we could go to a Passover animal.
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I could talk to you about your job.
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I can. So it ends up just being a mix
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and match of psychic animal and mediumship and animal mediumship
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and so whatever. Energy is coming in is what I is
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what I talk about. I had one time I was doing a
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mediumship reading for a woman with her son and I said, I hate
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to take this Segway, but do you have a cactus to your right on a
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windowsill? And she said yes.
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And I was like, he's screaming for water.
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Like, he has interrupted this entire reading to ask you to
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please water him. And I was doing another reading
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one time and it was just a psychic reading about kind of
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where she's going in the spiritual world.
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And I said this is going to sound weird and and I, you know,
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I have a horrible potty mouth on my own stuff.
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And I said there's a a very large boulder coming through
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like it like just this huge rock.
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Do you? I don't understand what I'm
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talking about, she said. Oh, my God.
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So her and her family had gone on a Sunday drive that Sunday,
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and she had made her husband pull over at this enormous
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boulder, and her and her daughters had gotten out and
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hugged and kissed this really big rock.
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And just, I know it just sounds bizarre.
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And so the boulder was coming through during her reading to
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say thank you because it really thought that that was cool.
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So it it it's. Everything has energy.
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Trees have energy, rocks have energies, plants have energies.
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This is fascinating because I've heard this before and I think I
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mean, I mean, for instance, I've heard the whole idea about like
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for example, like plants screaming or whatever and how
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it's all connected and stuff like that.
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And for anyone who doesn't believe in this, I get it.
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It probably sounds crazy. I keep an open mind to these
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things, but I'm also like, I have my doubts, but I heard this
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recently, which was, and maybe you give your thoughts on this.
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So apparently when you cut the grass and there's that
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particular smell, that distinct smell of freshly cut grass,
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supposedly that's like a warning smell that's emitted from the
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grass to like any nearby plants to kind of say like, you know,
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this is. A bad situation at play.
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I don't know. I heard this recently and I was
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like kind of fascinated by the concept.
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And also just in general, this idea that literally everything
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is alive and sentient. Because I always obviously
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assumed like, yeah, life is life, like a tree is is life.
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But at the same time, is it life?
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How we understand life, be it, you know, conscious.
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Absolutely. And and that's interesting, you
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bring that up with the grass because I have horses.
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And so horses are not supposed to eat freshly cut grass, right?
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And so some people will take these grass clippings and they
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will feed them to horses and they are actually toxic.
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And so there is some something to that because it could be that
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certain animals shouldn't eat it as soon as it's cut.
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I don't know that that was a new that was a left turn I wasn't
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quite expecting, but I definitely think that.
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Like, like, I'm not going to have a big conversation with
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this book, but it holds a certain amount of information
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and it holds a certain amount of, I guess, vibration if you if
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you would. There's a there's a frequency to
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everything. Some people who do this, they
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tap into vehicles to see if it's going to be a lemon or not a
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lemon they tap into. I need to tap into homes to see
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like what the home wants and and if there's extra energy in the
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home. I know sometimes I also have my
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doubts because I would say that there are a lot of people in
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this industry who milk this type of thing for all it's worth and
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for money. And I do acknowledge that and I
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do understand that. And if I wasn't doing it myself,
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I probably would not believe it myself.
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I always look at it like this, like.
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Because I know there's there's always people that will say
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like, well, that's just lunacy because there's no way you can
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prove that with any evidence. And I'm like, well, I am an
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evidence based person as well. I tried to look at that, but I
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also look at the flip side of that, which is you don't have
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any evidence to disprove that this is the case.
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Well, it's still in the case of the, yeah, in the case of the
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boulder though. I brought up the boulder and she
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did back it up with evidence. She goes, Oh my gosh, we just
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stopped there this last weekend and we got out and we hugged the
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the boulder. So to me, that's evidential.
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Then in the case of the cactus on the windowsill, I'm looking
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at this person sitting in a chair.
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There's no way for me to see what's in front of her.
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Although in the living room you can make certain assumptions
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just by being, you know, human. But there's no way for me to
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know there's a cactus on the windowsill.
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So there's physically no way for me to know that.
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So, so to me that would be evidential.
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A little bit like how, how could it be evidential if if there's
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not like sort of proof, OK to to the point about the idea of like
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the boulder being sentient, right?
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Like, how is what you just said evidential of the fact that it's
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sentient? I guess because it because it's
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coming through to me. So I suppose I could be picking
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it up from their subconscious. I could be picking it up from
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them versus the boulder, which is a good point, right?
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So maybe she just happens to have been thinking about the
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boulder. To press on this further,
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though, it comes down to a level of trust.
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We have to assume a couple of things here.
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One, that you're telling the truth, and two, that this is a
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thing that happens that you know you can channel through a
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medium. And sort of communicate that
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way. So I'm not, I'm not trying to
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say like it's it's definitely not true.
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But at the same time it's like. Oh no, I through.
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The sceptics in the room, it's going to look like, well,
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where's where's the evidence there for that?
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Because we we've only got this person to trust and that's
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always been kind of my thought when it comes to psychics and
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and and tarot readers and stuff like that.
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Like I began. Starting to believe in some of
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this when there were situations where it was impossible for the
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other person to have certain information because I've not
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told them any of this stuff and there was no way they could
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guess that kind of stuff. Because you know, you can make
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the argument a lot of time like, well, you can fill in between
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the gaps and make assumptions, make guesses based on certain
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things. But there were certain readings
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where because I always expected Taro to be a sort of thing, like
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you give certain information up front.
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And then, you know, they fill in the gaps there and then it is
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what it is kind of thing. But like I didn't give this
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person anything and they were able to give me certain
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information and reflect on certain things.
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But then there was also the element of doubt as well, which
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I always keep in the back of my mind from sort of scientific
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perspective, which is. Maybe you're you're hoping so
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much for a particular answer that when they read this stuff
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to you or they or they give you this reading, you go, yeah,
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yeah, that's exactly what it is because you're looking for it a
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bit like when a scientist does an experiment and they're
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looking for a specific hypothesis, right.
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And but they, but they also discount a load of things in the
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pursuit of this particular thing.
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Absolutely. So I am actually on my channel,
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so I have a YouTube it's energy reader Marianna.
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I have a Facebook same name and I have a TikTok, same name
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Marianna, Energy Reader or Energy Reader.
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Marianna and I educate a lot #1 I would say that in my niche,
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75% of the people in my niche are are not valid, are not true
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to what they do, and I would say that about 25%.
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In in, in my opinion, this is completely anecdotal, which is a
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hard word to say, but I would say about 25% are actually doing
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it and they are actually valid. There is cold reading, and there
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is hot reading, and then there's a combination of cold and hot
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reading. And what's?
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The difference between those two?
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So in a cold reading, I let's say that I, let's say that I was
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fake and I'm looking at you right now.
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I would be waiting for some sort of a let's say that I said your
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dog is yellow. If your eyes got bigger, I'd be
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like, oh, OK, that's a hit. So then I would go, you see what
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I'm saying? So then I would go from there.
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So a con artist that is cold reading, that's what they do.
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They look at your mannerisms, They look at what you say.
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They look at how you smile. They look at your eyeballs.
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They look. Hold up, that's That's not
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psychic. That's just being able to read
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psychology, body language. So that's called a cold reading.
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And that and and you're right, that is what that is.
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And so there's a lot of like body language in it.
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So that would be a fake psychic who's actually cold reading.
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And they tend to ask a lot of questions and they tend to come
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in so a fake medium who is cold or hot reading.
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They also tend to ask a lot of questions.
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Do you have somebody in your family with AJ or an M name?
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Well, it turns out that the majority of humans have someone
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in their family with AJ or an M name, and so this is called
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fishing. And then there's shotgunning and
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then there's Barnum statements. I dove really super deep into
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this because I had some skeptics coming at me and instead of just
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assuming that they're assholes and I'm not, I thought, well let
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me teach myself what they know. The problem was they weren't
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teaching themselves what I know. And so I I go back and forth
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with this one skeptic over here in in the USA and she doesn't
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understand the basic tenants of what I do.
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Therefore, it's very easy to come back at her because I'm
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like you keep talking about psychics and mediums as if
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they're the same thing and they are not.
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A psychic reads your life today and answers questions about your
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life today. A medium in theory is going over
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and talking to your past over loved one and facilitating a
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conversation. These are two different animals,
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and she doesn't even understand the basics between those two
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things. These are not synonyms.
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These are different right creatures.
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And so when when I, when I when I attempt to argue with her as
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politely as I can, she has her views.
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I have my views. I had to really dive into how do
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the con artists do it in order to appear to be real.
22:10
And so I know now more. I know more now it's about the
22:15
fake people than than ever before.
22:19
And I learned just a ton. Like the table tipping, like the
22:23
physical mediumship. I don't believe in it.
22:25
I think it was all debunked in the 1800s.
22:28
I think anyone doing it today is setting us back in this niche.
22:34
They're making us look stupid, like the ectoplasm and the
22:37
flying trumpets and the and the table tipping and the tapping on
22:41
the walls and and that sort of thing.
22:43
I think it's all fake. Just real, real quick, what was
22:46
the hot reading? Oh, so hot reading is when,
22:50
let's say, OK, let's say that you and I got on this zoom to do
22:53
a meeting and I have your first and your last name, plus I have
22:56
your address because you gave me a credit card.
22:59
So assuming that all those things are right and you haven't
23:01
planted yourself in my room with a bunch of fake information,
23:04
conceivably a fake medium can go to your Facebook, your
23:08
Instagram. If you're LinkedIn.
23:11
They could or would, especially if you're a public person like
23:14
you are, they would listen to every episode of podcast and and
23:19
take out personal information. Like, if you've been doing this
23:22
for four years, let's say that a fake person would go back to
23:25
year one and pull out stuff that you don't even remember saying.
23:28
Because there's no way for us to hold all the information in our
23:31
head. They now bring it up from year
23:33
one and you're like, there's no way they could have known that.
23:37
This is why I'm I make sure not to say everything and keep
23:41
things private and stuff like that.
23:42
That's the thing people assume. Like I say everything.
23:45
I'm quite and I am quite open, but I don't reveal everything
23:48
because you shouldn't. You should keep.
23:50
Well, it would be impossible. It would be impossible to to to
23:53
tell every part of some. It's kind of like when somebody
23:56
makes. The circles some people that
23:59
you'd be surprised, man. Yeah, I mean, I can't speak for
24:02
the States, but but in the UK there are people here that it's
24:05
it's kind of crazy just on the side.
24:07
Standard for a second. There are these people that to
24:11
be, it's not really funny. It's actually really damaging
24:14
and scary. There's people that live stream
24:16
like all the time. Everything document every part
24:22
of their life. Yeah.
24:24
And it's it's it's it's terrible.
24:26
It's bad. And of course this information
24:28
gets used against you and people will use it against you and.
24:34
I always look at that like, you know, you should do your best to
24:37
try to protect yourself. Like, yeah, if you're going to
24:39
be like a public person, you have to accept that people are
24:41
going to find stuff out and it's it's just how it's going to be.
24:44
You know, like for instance, I'm pursuing acting and voice
24:46
acting. I do sort of understand that
24:49
like there will be an error. Like people always want to know.
24:52
People always ask me questions in live streams and I'll answer
24:55
to a degree on certain things. But then there's other things
24:58
I'm never going to answer because it's my business and I'm
25:01
not going to talk about it and. It's, you know, everyone
25:03
deserves a private life. And I I don't understand why
25:06
you'd want to tell people. Like, for instance, I never
25:09
understood the whole I'm going to and I've said this on the
25:12
show before, so I'm just repeating myself.
25:14
But when you go, like, sell your story to a newspaper, you know,
25:18
like, oh, here's everything that happened in this relationship
25:21
that I had or here's everything that happened behind the scenes
25:23
here, or here's the Goss, the tea, whatever.
25:25
And yeah, I get that it's to make money.
25:27
But like, here's the reality. With that you get.
25:31
I don't know, couple of 10,020 thousand whatever for the story.
25:35
Flat fee that in retrospect is not really worth it.
25:39
That'll keep you going for a while, like money wise, but the
25:43
like, information is more valuable, do you know what I
25:46
mean? And over time it's like it's
25:50
just going to get used against you.
25:52
And I think with those people that do that as well, they give
25:55
away so much that there's like people get bored of that.
25:59
What? What more could that Everything
26:01
to know about you is known, so there's no more shock and awe if
26:06
you already know everything about somebody.
26:08
We we do have an issue with that over here as well, and I guess
26:11
that's probably our reality TV and social media.
26:13
I've tried to distance myself, just because I do have one of my
26:18
shortcomings is comparing myself to others, and it's something
26:23
that I fight with. It's something that I struggle
26:25
with. And I get livid when I see the
26:29
fake mediums and the fake psychics, and then I sit there
26:32
and I want to tell the world, But it's not really my job to
26:37
educate. Although my channel's about
26:39
education, I can't possibly educate about every fake person
26:42
out there. You guys have a big one in the
26:45
UK actually, and and I I don't want to get anyone sued, so I
26:48
won't say the name basically. Basically what happens is this
26:54
person makes you friend them on Facebook in order to do a
26:59
reading and then has this long list of you have to do this and
27:04
you have to do this and you have to do this.
27:06
Well, in order to do that, they see your social media, which is
27:10
where they're getting the information.
27:11
So what happens is, is if you don't follow his instructions to
27:14
the T, he just says I couldn't find you when it was time for
27:17
your reading and that's your fault.
27:19
And I keep your money. Wow.
27:22
Yeah. Yeah.
27:24
OK, That's. And he's criminal.
27:28
It is criminal, but because he's slightly attractive and a very a
27:32
very fast talker, he manages to con thousands of people every
27:39
year, sadly. And there's a there's one over
27:41
here in the US who's also similar.
27:43
And also, you know, I won't say her name, but she has created a
27:49
celebrity type status with her ring lights and her her
27:53
personality and her Botox and her lip filler.
27:55
And what happens is she does the same thing.
27:57
It's hot reading. She we have this one thing
28:00
that's called spokeo.com or intelligence.com.
28:03
It literally says your address, your last 10 addresses, who
28:07
you've lived with at all of those addresses, who might be
28:11
paying at all of those addresses, Right.
28:14
So, so, so as I educate, again, I'm on YouTube, I'm trying to
28:19
build my YouTube. If anybody cares to go over
28:21
there, it's energy reader Mariana.
28:23
But one of the things I try to educate on is that in a
28:26
mediumship reading, when you first come into it, you can give
28:30
the relationship. So there's two things.
28:32
There's called Throw It Out Mediumship.
28:34
And there's called Dial It Up Mediumship.
28:36
Throw it out. Mediumship is.
28:38
I would say, oh, I have a a man here.
28:40
He feels like a dad. He's 65 when he passed salt and
28:44
pepper hair. Do you recognize that person
28:47
that's called Throw it out. But we also have what's called
28:50
Dial it Up and you have a ton of mediums who say that it's
28:54
unethical or or you shouldn't do it this way.
28:57
The spirit spirit world knows what you want to see in here.
29:01
They know better than you do. And I'm like all of that is a
29:03
bullocks, ooh, bullocks is a good word.
29:05
That's not a cuss word. All of that is, it's just a load
29:11
of crap. Honestly, you can go direct.
29:13
And one of the reasons I think a lot of mediums don't go direct
29:16
is because they're not real, if that makes sense.
29:18
They they they they legitimately can't go direct because they're
29:22
not a real medium. They're hot reading or they're
29:23
cold reading or a combination of both.
29:26
Or anyway, so where was I going with that?
29:31
Oh, so in direct mediumship you would say maybe I want to talk
29:34
to my I want to talk to a Passover cousin, and that should
29:38
be all you'd have to say. Or sometimes you can even just
29:41
get it, give a name. I want to talk to Alice.
29:43
And then it's the medium's job to go out there and still get
29:47
that person and give you evidence, descriptions,
29:50
mannerisms, shared memories, personality traits, work traits,
29:56
children. It's the fake people that give
30:00
you St. Addresses and phone numbers and
30:02
and 1st and last names and that kind of stuff, because they've
30:07
looked it up on the Internet. As you mentioned, help me out, I
30:12
forgot I forgot where I was going, no?
30:13
No, no, no, I got. Don't worry, I got it, I got us,
30:16
I got us this. This is my job.
30:18
This is my job. I got it, I got it.
30:19
So when it comes to people being, you know, charlatans,
30:25
shall we say, as you mentioned that this has been going on
30:28
since the 1800s, you know, dates back that far.
30:31
My pop offs possibly even further.
30:33
It's probably the start of. Humanity, because lying and
30:37
greed has been a human condition since humans have existed so.
30:41
Yes, doesn't it? It's sad because it preys on the
30:45
desperate. I think that's the worst part
30:46
about it. It's one thing to like scam
30:49
people, right, Which is bad enough, but to really prey on
30:54
people that really desperately need help.
30:56
You know, like like I mentioned earlier when I said that, you
30:59
know, people are looking for that answer and when you kind of
31:02
give them. A faint bit.
31:04
Hope they're like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:05
And then and then they forget all logic.
31:07
They forget the fact like, Oh well, hang on, I've already
31:09
given them this information and like.
31:11
Something I find really fascinating is the fact that
31:14
like. All that's really happened, like
31:17
I would have thought this sort of stuff had disappeared by now,
31:20
like the fakes, because you know, back in the day it used to
31:23
be you'd show up to, I don't know, an event.
31:26
And and this was, this happened quite a lot in the States.
31:28
From what I understand, you'd have like these charlatans who
31:31
would get a group of people in a particular space, charge them
31:34
to, you know, go to this event. But.
31:37
Prior to them entering the venue, they'd have them fill out
31:41
questionnaires and of course, with that information, the
31:45
charlatan in in question would then look around the room, try
31:49
to see who fits the. The what's the word?
31:54
I'm looking for a profile that you know from that information
31:57
they've collected prior. And then they would know
31:58
everything about this person because you've already given
32:00
them the information. So they would look psychic.
32:03
They'd be like, oh, I'm getting a you had a father recently
32:06
passed away, but the question prior to that would have already
32:09
asked them, did you have a family member?
32:11
Oh, passed away. You know, and all that's really
32:15
well, always going to add to that was sorry.
32:18
Well, as I was doing my research, it even gets deeper
32:21
than that. They have people in the audience
32:24
and nowadays they have even earpieces.
32:26
So they have people scattered throughout the audience, with
32:29
earpieces feeding information to the person on the stage.
32:32
Hold on. So these things, these things
32:33
will happen, these events. Yes, yes, yes.
32:37
Because what I was all I was going to say is, is we've got
32:41
like a new kind of. Like the the medium has changed
32:45
in that it's now online but then we've still got these events
32:47
happening in physical forms so that the scams are everywhere.
32:50
Then unfortunately and and you can you can pick it out
32:55
sometimes and I will give the skeptic lady that I that I argue
33:00
with for lack of a better term in the USI will give her some
33:03
credit. Because she set up this one
33:06
psychic and she basically planted fake people in his
33:11
audience, created an entire Facebook page for this couple
33:16
that was supposedly married. And for like 6 or 8 months her
33:21
and her team of skeptics fed this Facebook page with
33:26
information and tags and photos. And to her credit this is the
33:31
only psychic that I or I should say medium excuse me this is the
33:35
only medium that I know of that she is actually busted busted
33:39
and and she did he took it hook line and sinker and he fed it
33:43
back and that is also on YouTube and it is called it's under Holy
33:49
Kool-aid is the channel and it was I'm sorry I wish I could
33:54
remember the name of it but if you look up holy kool-aid and
33:57
psychic debunked or Medium Debunked you can find the
34:01
episode. So to her credit she she has
34:07
done that. I I I don't particularly like
34:09
her. So I I I hesitate a lot to give
34:12
her credit. I had a couple of questions
34:14
here. Firstly, do you happen to know
34:16
the outcome of that specific specific instance?
34:19
Was that person caught and they just they don't practice
34:21
anymore? They don't try to.
34:23
No, they do. And it was written about and I
34:26
and I'm happy to say his name because it was written about in
34:28
the New York Times. So I'm only repeat and you know
34:32
the New York Times doesn't print anything without fact checking
34:35
everything. All right.
34:36
As long as as long as you're not going to get in trouble for
34:38
this. No, I don't.
34:40
I mean, I don't think so. But he's he's called the seat
34:43
belt psychic over here in the US and it was written about in the
34:47
New York Times and so I'll I'll just refer to the New York Times
34:51
#1 because I didn't write it but but to her credit there are
34:56
charlatans and and she is she is trying to educate and and she
35:03
calls them grief vampires and I don't want to give her too much
35:06
air time but but I do I do agree that educating is super super
35:11
important almost to the point that I I cringe at some of what
35:18
I see in the niche. Why do you think she's still on
35:22
your tail for So? I mean, you say it's like been a
35:24
year now or so or so. Like, why is she still going for
35:27
you? So she's not really going to
35:30
believe it or not, she, she's not really going for me.
35:32
I'm kind of going for her. And I say that in a way because
35:37
I I know, I know that sounds very counterproductive.
35:41
But I want her to understand that in her education piece,
35:45
words have meanings. Things have meanings.
35:47
For example, the psychic versus medium.
35:50
These are two different things. And she just keeps so skeptics
35:54
claim to be critical thinkers and yet they can't get the
35:57
basics of definitions right. And so I actually chastise her
36:03
and she tried to critique me One time there was a there's a
36:06
mediumship reading on my YouTube called Matan and Ryan, and he
36:12
was engaged to his fiancee. Ryan and I did a really cool
36:17
mediumship reading for him and he said yeah, you can put it on
36:21
YouTube and she tried to critique it and she couldn't
36:24
even get the basic information right.
36:27
So she said that I said the guy was 6/6 and I didn't.
36:30
I said he was tall, 6 foot, maybe 6-1 and so like I
36:34
chastised her. I'm like, if this is the best
36:37
you can do in the sceptic society, you're hurting because
36:40
you have to at least get the basic information correct before
36:44
you criticize others. So I'm.
36:47
I am. I am also fairly 88.
36:52
I'm fairly neuro divergent, and so the way my brain works isn't
36:57
always the way other people's brains work.
36:59
And so I do get a little too picky And you you can cut this
37:04
out. We're starting to ramble and I
37:05
apologize, but I get a little too picky on what means.
37:10
What Does that make sense? For example, if you're psychic,
37:14
this is what it is. If you're a medium, this is what
37:16
it is. If you're an animal
37:17
communicator, this is what it is.
37:19
Do you know there's scams in animal communication as well?
37:22
And I was also surprised to find this out.
37:24
And it really hurt my heart as an animal communicator because
37:27
we have, we have put animals in a place today where they are as
37:31
important, if not sometimes more important than the humans in our
37:35
lives. Right.
37:36
And so when you lose an animal, you are in an incredibly
37:40
vulnerable position. I did a reading for a woman in
37:43
Australia. She had lost her dog, Holly.
37:46
She had already been through a couple of animal communicators
37:49
who didn't really, you know, hit the mark.
37:52
So the first thing I do again is give evidence.
37:54
You would understand that your dog XYZ.
37:57
You would understand that your house looks like XYZ.
38:00
You would understand that you got this dog as a re home
38:03
situation. And I wait for the validation
38:06
for them to say yes before I go on into their questions.
38:09
Well, there's a woman over here. Charges $500.00 an hour for
38:15
animal communication and then doesn't even, it doesn't even
38:19
record it for another $15. She'll record it for you.
38:23
I'm like, Oh, my word to me that is just greedy, It's
38:26
unnecessary. And she has someone on her
38:29
website who, quote, looks for lost animals.
38:31
Well, there's nobody more vulnerable than someone with a
38:34
lost animal that they consider their soul mate or that they
38:38
consider incredibly important. And he charges 100?
38:42
Well, first you have to pay $185 for him to do his first like tap
38:46
it. Then you have to pay $140.00
38:49
after that and he sends you like 4 lines, like it's not even a
38:52
paragraph with a with a picture of a map and a pin in it.
38:56
It's like not even what am I supposed to do, go walk around
39:00
like 5 square miles? I can, I can do that on my own.
39:03
And I know a woman that paid him close to $1200 and still did not
39:09
find her animal and This is why this industry has such a bad
39:15
name and and to me that is criminal.
39:18
And that's my opinion for anyone who puts two and two together on
39:22
who this guy is and it's it's it's criminal.
39:26
I I do not want my e-mail inundated.
39:30
But I have never charged anyone for a lost animal.
39:33
And I would say again this is anecdotal but out of 10 we're
39:38
just going to take 10 because it's an easy number.
39:40
I've helped maybe three people actually find their animal, so
39:43
the return rate is not high enough for me to feel like I
39:47
could charge someone. Does that make sense?
39:51
No, I get, I get where you're coming from on that.
39:53
I think, yeah, it's probably very difficult to to always
39:58
guarantee. I can't guarantee at all.
40:01
Right. But then this, this also then
40:04
puts your gig in jeopardy a little bit, because if you can't
40:07
guarantee results, then why should people invest in it?
40:10
You know, it's exactly no I I no, But that is how I feel about
40:14
the lost animal thing. So anyone that's out there
40:16
telling you that they can find your lost animal that's a
40:18
psychic or a medium, I would be very skeptical of if they're not
40:23
willing to charge you less of a price or even do it for free.
40:27
Now I've told people, if you find your animal, feel free to
40:30
tip me, but I can't guarantee that I can find your animal.
40:34
I can try, but I'm not going to charge you for something.
40:37
I can't guarantee. I can guarantee in a mediumship
40:40
reading that I can bring through a loved one.
40:42
Although having said that, I have had because no, we aren't
40:46
robots. I have had people that the
40:47
reading hasn't gone well and I just refund their money.
40:50
I had one of those about two weeks ago and we just the
40:54
connection wasn't there. And I did bring through her
40:56
grandma, but it wasn't the kind of reading that I like to give.
40:59
It didn't really rise to the level of of what I consider a
41:02
good reading. So about 12 minutes in I said
41:05
listen I I apologise and and I I want to thank you for booking
41:09
with me. But this isn't going the way
41:12
that I want my readings to go, and I'm going to go ahead and
41:15
refund you now. And if you would like me to, I
41:17
can refer you to someone else I. Mean that's really good to hear
41:21
to be honest. I mean because a lot of the time
41:23
I think with these kind of things.
41:25
What you tend to hear is that it's kind of like no, no
41:29
refunds, no money back. You know, it's the typical
41:32
you're kind of screwed kind of thing.
41:34
But it's it's refreshing to hear that to be honest.
41:36
That's that's good on you doing that well.
41:39
And I and there are so many people out there kind of like
41:41
that guy that I explained in the UK who won't give refunds.
41:44
And people just need to not be embarrassed and they need to go
41:47
back to their, you know, PayPal or their credit card and say
41:50
this, Sir, first, bring it up with the psychic or the media.
41:53
Hey, this wasn't what I expected.
41:54
Can I have a refund? I I didn't like the reading, but
41:58
but honestly, if the psychic or the medium is any good, that's
42:01
going to come up during the reading.
42:03
Does that make sense? I think as well, like, it works
42:05
kind of like any business, doesn't it?
42:07
In the sense that they're going to leave reviews on this person
42:09
and if enough people get scammed by said person or don't get what
42:12
they want, they're going to leave bad reviews and then that
42:14
reflects on that person. So it's like you want to please
42:19
people and if. You know, people aren't
42:21
satisfied. Give them.
42:22
Yeah, give them the refund. That's part of business, You
42:25
know, it's it's just how it is. Integrity.
42:28
Exactly. Let's talk more about animal
42:31
communication, because I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you about
42:33
these, this, this whole field, because it's fascinating.
42:37
How does communication differ with animals in comparison to
42:41
humans? So does it work on the same
42:43
principles of conversation with humans, or does it differ
42:47
greatly? Because I would imagine that it
42:49
is. Obviously different, but let's
42:51
explore that. So for me, it doesn't differ
42:55
greatly. There are at its most basic
42:59
level when I'm talking to an animal, it's telepathy.
43:03
So we have all the fancy words. Claire Cognizant, Claire
43:07
Audience. Claire.
43:08
A goose. I don't know.
43:09
I don't know all the big words. I'm not a big word person.
43:13
It's knowing, seeing, feeling, tasting.
43:16
So an animal might get into my database, which is, you know, up
43:19
in my brain, and it will give me something that I recall from
43:23
childhood or from my own animals.
43:25
And I will then it's almost like a game.
43:28
It's almost like a puzzle or a game of charades where I will
43:31
then say, would you understand this?
43:33
Right. So you're not getting like
43:35
conversation, you're getting more like imagery and then
43:39
between the imagery you're trying to construct like what?
43:42
The message they're trying to convey, it's a little bit of
43:45
both. I see, I hear, I feel, I taste,
43:48
I smell. Sometimes I get physical
43:50
symptoms. I was doing a mediumship reading
43:53
the other day and this, and I kept grabbing my neck and I
43:56
couldn't. And I don't normally just, you
43:57
know, grab my neck randomly when I'm talking to someone.
44:01
And so we were talking to her, passed over her son who had
44:03
passed away at 27. And I said, OK, And so we
44:07
determined how he died. And I said, someone else around
44:10
you died. And I think they hung
44:12
themselves. And I think it was a grandpa.
44:15
And she said, no, no, I don't think so.
44:18
And I was like, OK, all right, well, that that's OK And you'll
44:21
get a lot of mediums that are like spirit's always right.
44:23
Well, maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
44:26
Maybe you just aren't interpreting it right.
44:28
She came back to me two days later in a e-mail, and she said
44:32
my. So her son had died.
44:37
His wife's grandpa hung himself almost to the day that her son
44:42
died. And so that's validation, but
44:47
it's also very it's also very weird in that I can get physical
44:52
symptoms, I can get, I can start coughing, I can, I have felt
44:58
chest pains For people who have had heart attacks or congestive
45:01
heart failure. I have felt anxiety.
45:05
One time I did it. So non verbal communication is
45:08
when I basically tap into someone who can no longer talk.
45:12
So think autism or dementia or coma or Alzheimer.
45:17
And so I was talking to a woman about her son who had passed
45:21
over. Well this is a Passover
45:23
experience but I also talked to people who are still alive who
45:26
are non verbal. In this example, though, her son
45:29
had been autistic and he had passed over and he had taken his
45:33
own life. And before I even got into the
45:36
reading, my anxiety level had gotten to a point where I was
45:40
like, will I be able to do this reading?
45:42
I'm not sure what's happening. And it turned out that's her son
45:46
trying to give me information on how he felt at that time and why
45:51
he made this decision and why this decision, frankly, was the
45:55
best decision for him, which this industry, this knowledge,
46:00
whatever you want to call it, has completely changed my mind
46:03
on. On suicide what?
46:06
Do you mean? I mean that for some people, it
46:10
is the right decision for them at that time, and I used to
46:14
think that people who committed suicide were incredibly selfish
46:17
individuals who left behind a mess for everyone else to clean
46:21
up. But now that I've brought
46:24
through people who have had to make that decision, I am so much
46:30
more empathetic to how hard it was for them, how fractured they
46:35
may have felt, how hard life was because they had some sort of a
46:39
mental or a physical disability. So honestly, becoming a medium
46:45
has made me a better person. I'm going to take this minute to
46:48
say for anyone listening who might be having suicidal
46:55
thoughts or who might be thinking of this, I'm going to
46:58
include some information in the descriptions below because I'm
47:05
respectfully, I disagree with you.
47:07
I don't think. In any case, suicide is ever the
47:10
answer and. There's always a way to get
47:16
through these hard times, whatever they may be.
47:20
I think that the thing we often tend to forget in life is.
47:25
And don't get me wrong, I realized that like life can put
47:27
us in a situation where we can feel like there is no answer and
47:30
we can feel like there's no control.
47:32
There is always a way to fix a situation, but it might take
47:38
time. It might take.
47:42
Perseverance at me. You know, like all these
47:43
different things. And yeah, it's not easy.
47:46
Nothing about life is ever easy. But I can say quite firmly and
47:54
with 100% conviction and belief in this statement, suicide is
47:59
never the answer. Yeah, yeah.
48:04
OK. Yeah.
48:05
No, it's it's OK. But I'm not going.
48:07
I'm not saying you can't have your opinion.
48:08
I just. As a as a.
48:10
Host like I am absolutely, absolutely.
48:12
I have to kind of say these things and I and I do believe
48:18
that. I do believe.
48:19
That and I I believe that as well.
48:20
I'm not I'm not just saying that just you know, obviously I want
48:23
to protect my my listeners and my viewers.
48:25
I want to kind of. I try to always remain impartial
48:30
as a host for the most part, but I do have to kind of cool things
48:34
sometimes. And.
48:39
Intervene here and there. And this is an instance where I
48:41
have to do that, but I'm happy to do so because it's the sort
48:44
of, it's a heavy subject. It's probably one of the
48:46
heaviest. You know, I've been there.
48:49
I think many of my listeners have probably been there at some
48:52
point. And I just want everyone
48:55
listening to to just know that like that's never the answer.
48:59
Like well and the holidays are especially a difficult time.
49:02
And so when people do get conned by some of these con artists who
49:10
are in this niche, it makes it even worse for those people in
49:14
sensitive situations. So 9 1/2 times out of 10, I
49:17
totally agree with you. And I used to think that times
49:20
100 back before I was a medium. And so part of I would say that
49:27
that part of doing this is just honestly realizing and feeling
49:34
how some people struggle more than others and so what's.
49:37
So for example, I'm ADHD. My what it looks like for me to
49:41
get out of the house in the morning is dramatically
49:44
different than how it looks for someone else to get out of the
49:46
house in the morning. It takes me I have to start 2
49:51
hours before normal people have to start, just to make sure that
49:55
I get somewhere on time, which can be very hard.
50:00
Now someone without ADHD who learns how to feel into my
50:04
energy might get anxious over being in my energy, if that
50:08
makes sense. And so that's basically kind of
50:10
what I do is I sit in the energy of the animal or I sit in and
50:15
when I say that, it doesn't sound very scientific, but I
50:17
don't know how else to say it to give a visual.
50:20
I just sit in that animal or person's space and I try to feel
50:27
what they're feeling. And so for animals especially,
50:31
we'll go back to animals. They're safer animals.
50:35
I'll just, I'll just cut it for a second like it's, it's OK to
50:38
have conversations about the big things.
50:40
I've I've tackled a lot of different heavy topics on this
50:44
show over the last 3 1/2 years, but I do have to kind of weigh
50:49
weigh in on certain things. The reality is like, I think a
50:52
lot of people that listen to my show and I'm sure anyone
50:54
listening can agree, you know, it's it's.
50:58
You listen to a show like this and like I I spend a lot of time
51:03
trying to inspire my audience, motivate my audience, push them,
51:07
you know, make them realise that they ain't so bad and things are
51:11
OK and you know, it's a struggle before we can get through it.
51:15
That's always kind of the bigger message.
51:16
I try to convey with everything that I do and but that doesn't
51:23
mean I'm afraid to have those conversations.
51:26
You know, or talk about those things.
51:28
I think it's very important to talk about those things and get
51:30
it out. Like going back to that example
51:32
of that kid, right? He thought that was the answer.
51:35
He thought That's how to get out of this situation, right?
51:40
But if he'd had some, you know, for instance, access to the
51:44
right resources to be able to talk to someone, get referred to
51:47
someone, anyone like, that's the thing.
51:49
A lot of the time in that situation, we feel like no one
51:52
cares. We feel like that's the only.
51:55
Way to solve that, and it's what is the old expression.
52:00
It's a a final solution to a temporary problem.
52:07
OK, so OK, yes and no, because this person had mental
52:11
disabilities, which? Which could have been you could
52:15
work with that person, you know, just because we have these
52:18
challenges in life doesn't, doesn't mean we can't still live
52:22
a happy life. Do you know what I'm saying?
52:26
No, I totally do. But for him, the struggles were
52:30
so much and so consistent and so pervasive, and his mother had
52:35
done everything in his power and his mother understood it as
52:39
well. And so I'm not saying that
52:42
that's the answer for everyone. And honestly, I was surprised by
52:46
the information that came through as well.
52:48
I'm saying that that was the answer for him.
52:51
And and that's how he that's how he made it.
52:55
You know, that's how he made me feel.
52:56
That's how he made his mother feel.
52:58
It was a sense of relief to his mother.
53:00
It was a sense of relief. I feel like to him now, Having
53:03
said that, I I All right, well, let's just go really deep.
53:10
About two years ago, I was suicidal.
53:16
And I do agree, sorry, I'll get emotional.
53:19
I do agree. But I have the ability.
53:23
I don't have the mental challenges that some people
53:27
have. I have the ability to go out and
53:30
have a full time job. I have the ability to to drive
53:33
my vehicle to work. I have the ability to get myself
53:36
dressed. I have the ability to not be
53:39
institutionalized. I have a lot of abilities that
53:43
not everyone has. And so I had to keep telling
53:46
myself that. And it's a very dark, hard place
53:51
to be. And sometimes you just have to
53:54
get mean with yourself and be like, hey, listen, shit her, get
53:59
off the pot. I think you should stay.
54:02
And so I wrote myself, cut the crime part out of it.
54:07
I wrote myself notes and I put them around the house so that I
54:12
could like, talk to different parts of myself.
54:17
So sometimes you have to talk to different parts of yourself.
54:20
The part that wants to stay needs to talk to the part that
54:23
wants to go. Well, that guy that went down a
54:31
little rabbit hole, I didn't expect to go.
54:33
Would you like to take a break? No, let me just.
54:39
Like I'll respect your your wishes and and take it all out
54:42
that's I'm more than happy. I mean, I was work with it.
54:46
I just don't want to sound like a big fat crybaby.
54:50
Hey, listen, I say this to my I say this to my girlfriend all
54:52
the time, right? That there's nothing wrong with
54:56
showing emotion about anything in life.
54:59
If anyone ever comes around to you and says, oh, you know,
55:03
you're showing too much emotion. You're not, you're not doing
55:06
this right. You're not doing that right.
55:07
Look, look, it's a reflection of you.
55:08
It's how you feel. It's one of the most difficult
55:12
things that a person can deal with.
55:14
I've been there. I know what it's like, you know?
55:17
And it was. And that's the thing.
55:19
It was. It was wrong as well.
55:20
It wasn't. It wasn't right.
55:22
Like it was. I felt trapped.
55:26
I felt like it would never get better.
55:31
I felt like no one cared in all the usual tropes.
55:34
But the difference was I was in a foreign country.
55:36
I was in a horrible toxic relationship, etcetera,
55:39
etcetera, etcetera. And you know, I'm glad I didn't
55:44
do that. I'm glad I'm sitting here.
55:47
You know it's yeah, I'm glad you're here too.
55:49
Like it's. And that's why I wanted to
55:52
stress that as well is that you know it isn't the answer because
55:56
we're still here now. Because we didn't do that.
55:59
Because we didn't give up because we, I don't know
56:01
whatever it called someone kept going, etcetera.
56:07
Like whatever it takes to just keep moving forward.
56:10
You know, I agree and I also think and and what I do, what I,
56:14
when I do a lot of psychic readings for people who are in a
56:17
dark place, I I don't agree with most medications because the
56:22
side effects can be worse than what you're feeling at the
56:24
moment anyway. So that's just my own little
56:26
soapbox. But one of the things I did do
56:29
was try to talk to the different parts of myself.
56:32
It's funny because mental health is back in the day would have
56:34
you think that you were mentally insane if you thought that there
56:37
was different parts to yourself. And now medicine, psychology,
56:43
all that kind of stuff, recognizes that we are kind of a
56:48
bunch of different parts in a body who exhibits as a person.
56:53
And so sometimes you have to talk to those different parts
56:56
and sometimes you have to. So I, you know, I talked to the
56:59
parts that wanted to stay and I made it fun and I turned on the
57:03
music and I did a lot of pattern interrupts.
57:06
For anyone out there who is having a hard time, a pattern
57:08
interrupt is where you literally just interrupt whatever doom and
57:14
gloom is going on. That could be going out for an
57:16
espresso, that could be calling a friend, that could be turning
57:19
up the music and dancing to Bruno Mars.
57:22
That could be hugging an animal especially, or getting in your
57:26
car and going for a drive and rolling all the windows down.
57:28
And so I did a lot of pattern interrupts a lot.
57:34
So that's one way if anybody's feeling down around the
57:37
holidays. Yeah, just don't give up guys
57:41
like that's. If I could put a bow on that
57:44
though, that's never, ever going to be the answer.
57:48
And I know it might. If you, if you're going for a
57:50
dark time right now and you're listening to this and you're
57:53
you're thinking like, oh, it's easy for you to say that like
57:55
I've been there, man. I know how you're feeling.
57:57
I know how tough it gets. I'm so glad I didn't do it.
58:02
And I want you to be here too. I want you to realise that it
58:04
does get better. But you.
58:08
You need to seek help and and like.
58:11
If you're not getting it in one area, look elsewhere and keep
58:14
seeking that help until you get it.
58:16
And then you begin. You begin the process of
58:20
rebuilding, making the perfect version of you.
58:24
Also, I would also say in order for you to see better days, you
58:29
got rid of the toxic person. Yes, sometimes we are
58:34
legitimately just surrounded by assholes and you really have to
58:37
look around at the people that you're hanging out with and the
58:40
people that you're spending time with.
58:41
And you have to say, is the energy compatible?
58:44
Is this person adding to my life or only taking away from my
58:48
life? Is this person an energy
58:50
vampire? Or is this person actually
58:53
supporting me? And like, for example, I used to
58:57
get, I used to get put down for my quirkiness and my creativity
59:02
and my the way I look at things and there's nothing.
59:06
And like you said, there's nothing wrong with me.
59:07
There's nothing wrong with you. I am who I am.
59:09
And what happens is we have people around us who gaslight
59:12
us. We have people around us who are
59:14
condescending to us, and we tend to internalize that into What we
59:17
need to do instead is get rid of the asshole.
59:22
You know, I I don't often talk about this, but yeah, I can
59:25
relate to that. And in that instance that I
59:27
mentioned, it was exactly that, that person was trying to change
59:30
me and they kept telling me that.
59:32
The way I was was not acceptable.
59:34
And they had this particular vision in mind of what they
59:38
wanted. And I never quite fit the mark.
59:40
I wasn't enough of a man, you, you name it, like it was said to
59:43
me. And you know, the ultimate irony
59:46
is that right now the person I am today is is that person, but
59:50
better even still. And it's.
59:53
All I really needed was support and love and respect and not to
59:58
be constantly told I wasn't good enough or that I wasn't doing
1:00:01
the right thing. Although I wouldn't get there,
1:00:03
you know? And it's crazy like I I had to
1:00:06
take time to heal and then work on myself and then come out the
1:00:10
other side and sort of realise like OK, as you said, it's the
1:00:14
wrong people and it doesn't mean that you, you, you there isn't
1:00:18
work to be done. Within there always is.
1:00:20
I think that's. Oh, I absolutely.
1:00:23
I absolutely had to do work within because I was raised by
1:00:26
narcissists and then I married into narcissism.
1:00:29
And you don't, you don't hang out with the pigs and the pigs
1:00:32
die and not get a little mud on you.
1:00:35
So one of the things that I had to clear out of my repertoire of
1:00:41
options was guilt. I would unknowingly.
1:00:44
I would guilt trip people. And I didn't realize it.
1:00:48
And then one time my son looks at me and he's like, so you're
1:00:50
going to guilt me into it. And I was like, that's exactly
1:00:55
what I just, oh, my God. And I purposely worked to remove
1:01:01
that toxic trait from the way I deal with people.
1:01:06
You should not have to guilt someone into hanging out with
1:01:09
you. Why would you even want that
1:01:11
person hanging out with you if they're doing it out of guilt?
1:01:15
So there is definitely things that I had to look at within
1:01:18
myself. I also had to look at me feeling
1:01:20
sorry for myself and having too many pity parties.
1:01:23
Sometimes, ma'am, you just need to get out of bed and go do what
1:01:30
you got to do instead of feeling sorry for yourself.
1:01:32
So there were there were. It's a process.
1:01:35
When you remove yourself from toxic people or toxic
1:01:38
situations, don't assume that you are without fault.
1:01:43
Oh yeah. And so I had to clean up my own.
1:01:47
I had to clean out my own closet, so to speak, in order to
1:01:51
still be here. Also, why don't?
1:01:54
You should be very proud of yourself for that.
1:01:56
Thank you. It's I I don't believe in
1:01:59
coincidences and I guess that kind of feeds into where I'm
1:02:03
open on this topic as far as my own beliefs are concerned and I
1:02:07
keep seeing things here and there.
1:02:09
Literally less than a day ago I saw something that relates to
1:02:12
this. It said you know your energy
1:02:15
doesn't match everyone, IE you know the old expression, you're
1:02:18
not everyone's cup of tea, like don't feel bad if you don't
1:02:21
click with people. They're just not your people.
1:02:23
And some people are like just bad people.
1:02:26
And the irony is those bad people, those narcissists that
1:02:29
exist in society, like, you can't feel bad at the like,
1:02:35
think about it. If they made you feel bad
1:02:37
unnecessarily, like with the way they are right and the way
1:02:40
they're treating you, how is that your fault?
1:02:44
Exactly. And so you get a lot of people.
1:02:47
And so in this spiritual niche, again, because there's a lot of
1:02:50
toxic spirituality that goes with like toxic religion.
1:02:54
There's a lot of self gaslighting that goes on.
1:02:57
And people are like, well, I could have done this and I could
1:02:59
have done that and I could have done this.
1:03:00
And it's like, OK, first of all, I'm not one of those big, oh,
1:03:02
you have to forgive everyone. I think you have to go back and
1:03:05
forgive yourself for making the choices that you made, because
1:03:10
once you believe in yourself. Yeah, Once you forgive yourself,
1:03:14
the other people don't hold any space in in your energy because
1:03:20
this is another as well. Like, like I had someone bring
1:03:24
up something that happened to me about a year ago that was
1:03:26
terrible and and it was like a viewer that was bringing up
1:03:30
something that bad that had happened.
1:03:32
And it's like I owned it straight away.
1:03:34
I was like, yeah, that happened and it was awful.
1:03:36
But here's how I've grown since then and how I've rectified and
1:03:40
and I'm in the best place I've ever been in my entire life.
1:03:43
And it's like we're human. We're going to make mistakes.
1:03:47
We're going to we're, we're not perfect.
1:03:48
Like, I don't understand where this new age concept of oh, you
1:03:52
have to be faultless. You have to always be operating
1:03:56
at a level where you never make any mistakes.
1:03:57
Like that's impossible. It is impossible.
1:04:01
And there's another guy out of the UK that is constantly
1:04:03
telling people just listen to your intuition.
1:04:05
Your intuition is never wrong. Your intuition can be wrong
1:04:08
because you can be trauma bonded.
1:04:10
You can be paranoid, you can be on medication, you can be
1:04:14
needing to be on medication. You can be.
1:04:17
So instead I tell people to do their due diligence.
1:04:21
Ask your intuition. Take what you've lived.
1:04:24
Take what you know to be. For example, if you only asked
1:04:28
your intuition if you should get back into a relationship that
1:04:32
didn't work before, you're going to.
1:04:33
Your intuition is going to be affected by your heart.
1:04:37
But if you do your due diligence and you ask your intuition plus
1:04:41
you take the reality of the past.
1:04:44
Plus, you compare actions versus words.
1:04:46
Plus, you see if this person's energy matches yours.
1:04:49
Now you have a a bowl of information from which to work,
1:04:54
not just your intuition. Should you tap into your
1:04:56
intuition? Absolutely.
1:04:58
Absolutely. I'm I'm.
1:04:59
I'm huge with intuition because I never listened to my own for
1:05:05
so many years, right? But it isn't that simple.
1:05:09
I can't just go out there because I could.
1:05:11
I I, you know, we're still able to make stupid mistakes.
1:05:14
Let let me put it into a really practical I want a stand up desk
1:05:18
and it was Black Friday, but I don't necessarily have the
1:05:20
expendable cash at the moment. So my intuition was like, it's
1:05:23
Black Friday, get the stand up desk.
1:05:26
But my due diligence and my bank account were like, listen, even
1:05:30
though it's Black Friday, you don't need it right now.
1:05:32
So set it up as a goal. Reward yourself with it six
1:05:35
months from now, whatever it takes.
1:05:37
But my intuition was all about this is the best desk, this is a
1:05:40
great price, blah blah blah. So we really have to look at
1:05:44
more than just our intuition. So it was a roundabout way to
1:05:50
to. We and we also tend to gaslight
1:05:53
ourselves. So what I see, especially with
1:05:55
women, is that they will try to take responsibility for an
1:05:58
entire failure of a marriage or a relationship when it was
1:06:02
really a two person effort. Absolutely, once it takes two to
1:06:05
tango, doesn't it? I mean it's.
1:06:06
Absolutely. That's that's the thing.
1:06:08
Like, they talk about this idea of the relationship dynamic.
1:06:11
Like, I'm sure my girlfriend won't mind me saying this, but
1:06:14
you know, like when she's apologetic for something, I'm
1:06:17
like, oh, that's ridiculous, Like you have nothing to be
1:06:20
apologetic for because she'll excuse behaviour.
1:06:23
She'll be like, oh hey, I was sorry I was like this and I'm
1:06:26
like, well, that's not that you've not done anything wrong.
1:06:29
Like when I look at an apology, I look at it like, oh, I've,
1:06:32
I've knowingly done something wrong or I accidentally did
1:06:37
something wrong. And like, you know, it's and you
1:06:39
and you basically. The whole point really, if it's
1:06:42
proper apology is you make sure to never do that again and you
1:06:45
learn from it and you move on, right?
1:06:48
Or you're just kind of acknowledging like that the
1:06:52
other person's hurt as a result and and you want to rectify that
1:06:55
because you care about them. But when it's just like excusing
1:06:59
your own behaviour, I mean that comes from experience, that
1:07:01
comes from other people who've made you feel bad about who you
1:07:07
are and how you operate when you've not done anything wrong.
1:07:10
You know? And like, it's it's hard.
1:07:13
I think it's hard to get to that point where you're like, no,
1:07:16
actually, like I'm OK the way I am and yeah, I'm going to make
1:07:20
mistakes. But like, yeah, I, as you said
1:07:22
before, like you have to love who you are and be happy with
1:07:25
who you are and then you, you don't worry about that so much.
1:07:27
And then those people, those narcissists out there, they
1:07:30
can't, they can't touch you. They can't do anything.
1:07:32
Which irritates the living crap out of them, by the way.
1:07:35
And so when you pull back from a narcissist, you living your best
1:07:38
life is literally the best revenge.
1:07:41
Absolutely. I remember, I remember about
1:07:43
about two years ago when I was in a dark place, I was talking
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to my son who is so incredibly smart and perceptive and we're
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both Pisces and we're both in paths and.
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I grew up taking responsibility for everything and everyone.
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I was a fixer, but I was expected to blah blah blah, blah
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blah. I'm talking to my son one day
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and I said, well I can't remember what it was, but I took
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responsibility for it and I wanted that person still in my
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life. And he said, but why?
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And I said, well, I I I don't know.
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He goes, why would you want someone in your life that makes
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you feel that way? I'm like, why?
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I don't know. And he goes, don't you have any
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self preservation? And I was gobsmacked because I
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was like, I have been living my life without self preservation,
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like legitimately had put everyone and everything before
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what I wanted, what I needed, what I had.
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And here is this kid, and I think he was 15 at the time with
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just this nugget of of gold that he's given to me.
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And I was like. I am going to start looking into
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self preservation and I and I have and I have and it's been,
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it's been amazing and you're right, I'm in a different place.
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