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Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the program tonight. The expos about a shadowy
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Speaker 2: climate entrepreneur who's a multimillion dollar financier to the teals, Now,
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Speaker 2: just who is this big donor and what does he
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Speaker 2: want for his money? The generals to uncover the donation links.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Patrick coming up, Chris Bowen's new emissions rules for
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Speaker 2: both of vehicles means the price of a new car
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Speaker 2: in this country is about to skyrocket. Across live to
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Speaker 2: to Israel. As Harmas refuses to release any further hostages,
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Speaker 2: while Donald Trump makes it clear enough's enough out all
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Speaker 2: of them come, he says by Saturday. Sharon Haskell, the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel, who savage the Albanezer government
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Speaker 2: for being weak on anti Semitism, coming up, and did
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Speaker 2: the phone call work? Called the PM's anti Trump retric
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Speaker 2: in the past mean will be hit with trade tariffs.
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Speaker 3: The US President agreed that an exemption was under consideration.
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Speaker 4: It's twenty five percent without exceptions or exemptions, and that's
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Speaker 4: all countries, no matter where it comes from, all countries,
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Speaker 4: But that's.
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Speaker 2: Just an hour after our Prime minister said that President
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Speaker 2: Trump was quote considering a tariff exemption for Australian steel
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Speaker 2: and aluminum exports to the US, while the President signed
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Speaker 2: an executive order imposing tariffs on all steel and all
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Speaker 2: aluminum imports, including from Australia.
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Speaker 5: It's a big deal.
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Speaker 4: It's a big deal.
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Speaker 5: This is the beginning of making America rich again. We
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Speaker 5: were being pummeled by both friend and foe. Alake, It's
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Speaker 5: time for our great industries to come back to America.
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Speaker 4: Want Tom back to America. This is the first of many.
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Speaker 4: Then you know what I mean by that.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Donald Trump said he was thinking of an exemption
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Speaker 2: for Australia, only within the hour to change his mind.
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Speaker 2: Or maybe Anthony Albanesi mistook a polite hearing for an
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Speaker 2: agreement to think again. Or maybe this is just how
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Speaker 2: Trump does business. He locks in the tariff hike, and
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Speaker 2: over the next few days as he puts it into practice,
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Speaker 2: he works through possible exemptions, and Australia then gets a break.
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Speaker 2: Given the very different political universes, Trump and Albanesi in habit,
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Speaker 2: I suspect the US President doesn't mind Albanzi sweating a bit,
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Speaker 2: and he's got a long memory, as history has shown.
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Speaker 6: A scar academy. And I think it's some concern that
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Speaker 6: the leader of the free world thinks that you can
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Speaker 6: conduct politics through one hundred and forty characters on Twitter.
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Speaker 7: The United States in the last four years has been
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Speaker 7: run by a village idiots. People have seen China continued
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Speaker 7: continuing to be competent international state craft and the United
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Speaker 7: States increasingly incompetent and international state craft under Trump.
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Speaker 2: Now, maybe it would have been different if Albanese he
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Speaker 2: had winged it to Washington immediately after Trump's election win
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Speaker 2: to demonstrate that he had sincerely changed his mind, or
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Speaker 2: if he'd gone along to the Trump inauguration the way
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Speaker 2: other leaders of the world did, such as the leaders
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Speaker 2: of Italy and Argentina. But it didn't. So all that's
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Speaker 2: transpired between the PM and the President prior to this
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Speaker 2: morning's hookup was one brief courtesy call shortly after the election.
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Speaker 2: Today's call, and it wasn't rapidly arranged. It was pre arranged.
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Speaker 2: It was booked in covered a whole range of things,
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Speaker 2: August Super Bowl as well as tariffs, and it had
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Speaker 2: a purpose to remind the President that America has a
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Speaker 2: strong trade surplus with Australia and to seek an exemption
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Speaker 2: for US from these new tariffs. But basically, in terms
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Speaker 2: of political style and substance, alban Ezy and Trump upholls apart.
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Speaker 2: The US President's got more done in three weeks than
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Speaker 2: our Prime minister's got done in three years. Now. What's
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Speaker 2: just as noticeable is that our PM lacks the imagination
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Speaker 2: to realize that Trump has upended the political order, that
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Speaker 2: the world has changed, and that he must change with
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Speaker 2: it for Australia's sake. Trump thinks that climate change is
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Speaker 2: a hoax. Albany Easy thinks is the biggest issue the
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Speaker 2: world faces. Trump thinks that gender fluidity is a crime
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Speaker 2: against our kids. The Albanizy government, well, it faithfully bows
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Speaker 2: down to the trans lobby's insistence that men can have
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Speaker 2: a cervix and men can lactate. Trump thinks that communist
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Speaker 2: China is a threat to world peace. Alban Easy, Well,
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Speaker 2: he sided with China against the US president on tariff
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Speaker 2: policy at the recent G twenty and was happy enough
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Speaker 2: to be called a handsome boy by Chinese propagandists. Trump
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Speaker 2: is Israel's best friend and has just sang members of
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Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court that wants to arrest Israel's leader Albaniz.
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Speaker 2: He won't say what he would do if Bibnetna, who
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Speaker 2: came to Australia and he's ended seventy years of bipartisanship
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Speaker 2: on Israel at the UN. Is Trump right to be
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Speaker 2: imposing tariffs on Australian steel and Ali Minu will of
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Speaker 2: course not. But you can't persuade this new president by
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Speaker 2: treating him as if he's a mad uncle. There's got
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Speaker 2: to be a much more serious engagement than this government's
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Speaker 2: tried with Washington. Perhaps is not even capable of doing this.
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Speaker 2: Most senior leaders in the Albanezy government, well, they've hardly
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Speaker 2: outgrown their undergraduate Trotskyism. Between Joe Hockey and Malcolm Turbul,
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Speaker 2: they got the then president lex phone number off golfing
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Speaker 2: buddy Greg Norman. This is back in twenty fifteen, so
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Speaker 2: the urmile could call him direct about a refugee swap. Now,
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Speaker 2: Trump and Turnbull hardly soulmates, but the then PM held
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Speaker 2: his natural contempt in check long enough to get an
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Speaker 2: exemption the last time that Trump proposed these sorts of tariffs.
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Speaker 2: But Tariff's to one side. Let's be honest. Thanks to
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Speaker 2: this government's insane energy policy, we are making ourselves uncompetitive
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Speaker 2: long before Tariff's and Donald Trump now thankfully unlike a
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Speaker 2: US president. That's something we can't change the Australian Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister while we can, and we should do it at
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Speaker 2: the coming election. Look, it says much about the culture
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Speaker 2: of secrecy in enveloping industry superannuation that a major report
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Speaker 2: on the governance of the Construction Union's industry fund could
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Speaker 2: stay hidden for a decade. Thanks to diligent reporting from
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Speaker 2: Australian Financial Review, we now know that the former competitions
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Speaker 2: are Graham Samuel recommended way back in twenty fifteen that
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Speaker 2: Sebus Building Industry Superfund should have more independent directors and
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Speaker 2: an independent chairman. The Samuel inquiry into SeaBus was prompted
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Speaker 2: by the leak from two SeaBus employees of information to
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Speaker 2: help the CFWU and its campaign against a particular business.
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Speaker 2: It said that the union and the superfund had what
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Speaker 2: amounted to be a co dependent relationship where each relied
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Speaker 2: on the other. Now a decade on, not much has changed.
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Speaker 2: Cebus is chaired by former Labor Treasurer Wayne Swann, who
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Speaker 2: is said to be an independent director well as IF
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Speaker 2: and last financial year Sebus, the superfund paid out some
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Speaker 2: two point five million dollars to various unions for so
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Speaker 2: called services. What's also happening is that the governance line
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Speaker 2: between these funds, the unions and labor ministers is becoming
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Speaker 2: more and more murky. Take the case of Virgin Airlines,
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Speaker 2: where after union pressure, the federal Employment Minister has told
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Speaker 2: the privately owned company that they don't like the person
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Speaker 2: the company was looking at as the new CEO. What
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Speaker 2: so the Transport union tells the minister to yank the
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Speaker 2: airlines change and he does it even though Virgin is
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Speaker 2: not a government entity. It's a private commercial player. So
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Speaker 2: interference from the minister murray, what is way way out
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Speaker 2: of line. Now. This is a sort of rampant union
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Speaker 2: bullying that will only get worst if labors re elected.
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Speaker 2: What next, They're going to tell a private company not
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Speaker 2: to employ a CEO because that person supports Australia Day,
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Speaker 2: not to employ a CEO because that person believes renewables
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Speaker 2: are a dud and nuclear power is a way to go.
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Speaker 2: See what's happening here not just content to bully companies
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Speaker 2: by using the shareholder, the shareholding of industry super funds
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Speaker 2: to tell companies what to do. The unions are now
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Speaker 2: going direct to weak ministers who pick up the phone
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Speaker 2: to companies in the way the PM used to rink
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Speaker 2: airlines hunting through his upgrade. Is this seriously what the
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Speaker 2: Government of Australia has come to now? I don'pe Itton's
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Speaker 2: got a lot on his plate, but if he wins,
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Speaker 2: he's got to look at reforming the way unions are
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Speaker 2: governed and how industry funds super funds are governed as well.
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Speaker 2: All right, Reuben Spargo, he's on standby with the headlines
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Speaker 2: or go there. Now.
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Speaker 1: Australia could receive an exemption from Donald Trump's metal tariffs.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister joined the President for a phone call
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Speaker 1: to discuss the twenty five percent tax on steel and aluminium.
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Speaker 3: It was a very constructive and warm discussion again with
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Speaker 3: President Trump that the US President agreed that an exemption
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Speaker 3: was under con.
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Speaker 4: I just spoke to him, very fine man. We actually
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Speaker 4: have a surplus. It's one of the only countries which
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Speaker 4: we do, and I told him that that's something that
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Speaker 4: we will give great consideration.
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Speaker 1: At this stage. The tariffs are set to take effect
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Speaker 1: on all countries from March.
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Speaker 8: We don't believe that this tariff should be put in place,
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Speaker 8: and if it remains in place then I believe it
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Speaker 8: will damage the relationship between the United States and Australia.
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Speaker 1: Australian diplomats are working with their US counterparts to reach
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Speaker 1: a deal. The federal government is working to ensure regional
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Speaker 1: Australians have access to banking services. Funding will be increased
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Speaker 1: for bankert Post as part of a new deal. Ay
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Speaker 1: and ZED will join the initiative. Following the Commonwealth Bank,
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Speaker 1: Westpac and NAB. Macquarie and HSBC are now beginning negotiations
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Speaker 1: to give their customers access.
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Speaker 4: We know that if we want a strong national economy,
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Speaker 4: then regional Australia needs to be a big part of
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Speaker 4: the story.
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Speaker 1: Banks have also agreed to extend a moratorium on real
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Speaker 1: bad an closures until mid twenty twenty seven. Reuben Spargo,
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Speaker 1: Sky News, Canberra, Right.
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Speaker 2: A few things to get across. There isn't there a camera?
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Speaker 2: Of course sat today, Parliament sat today, so there on
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Speaker 2: the spot. Sky News political letter to Andrew Clenow joins me. Now, hey,
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Speaker 2: let's go through the entrails of this Donald Trump Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albani call and then the later announcement. It looked like
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Speaker 2: Andrew when we saw the Prime Minister give us the
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Speaker 2: readoubt of his conversation with the President, there was a
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Speaker 2: positive that agreed on language, they were both going to
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Speaker 2: use the same language that we were seeking an exemption.
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Speaker 2: But then about an hour or so later, it was
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Speaker 2: like a soap opera. You had this Oval Office press call,
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Speaker 2: you had the US President signing away the executive order
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Speaker 2: and it had no exemptions. So are we in or
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Speaker 2: are we out?
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Speaker 9: Difficult to say, but Donald Trump also said there there'd
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Speaker 9: be great consideration to Anthony Albanesi's request. I guess we'll
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Speaker 9: find out over the next month, because that's when the
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Speaker 9: order comes into force. But yeah, you wouldn't put your
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Speaker 9: house on it at the moment, but you'd have to
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Speaker 9: say there's a chance. I mean he said the UK
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Speaker 9: had no chance, for example, in that press briefing in
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Speaker 9: the Oval Office for him to say a great consideration.
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Speaker 9: Maybe he's after some sort of deal something else out
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Speaker 9: of Australia. But I think it could have gone far worse.
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Speaker 9: Let's face it, he could have just given Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 9: a blanket. No, sorry, you know, I can't spare Australia
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Speaker 9: when I'm punishing all these other countries with these tariffs.
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Speaker 9: And just tonight government sources appear to be briefing out
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Speaker 9: that in the previous agreement with Trump and Scott Morrison
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Speaker 9: there were a couple one with turn but one with
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Speaker 9: Scott Morrison not to impose these tariffs in Australia. Scott
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Speaker 9: Morrison had given a guarantee that the amount of steel
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Speaker 9: exported to the US would have a lid on, it
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Speaker 9: would be restricted. And what's in the fine detail of
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Speaker 9: the order apparently is that that's not the case. Australia
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Speaker 9: and other countries exceeded caps that they promised to put
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Speaker 9: on this. So that's another interesting complicating factor in the
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Speaker 9: whole thing. But there's no doubt the coalition, if this
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Speaker 9: doesn't come to fruition, can use this to their advantage
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Speaker 9: by saying, well, we were able to reach agreement with
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Speaker 9: Trump Anthony Albanese and you're not. If a coalition government's
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Speaker 9: in power, where more of the politics of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 9: and we might be able to get an outcome where
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Speaker 9: you can't Peter Dutton's not playing that card today. He's
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Speaker 9: saying he's got to bipartisan position on it. He's rather
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Speaker 9: wisely seeing how it all plays out.
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Speaker 2: He's sort of a different president this time around. You know,
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Speaker 2: I think we'd all be wiser coming back to the
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Speaker 2: job that. I mean, he is running harder at it.
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Speaker 2: He talked in that press conference from the Oval Office
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Speaker 2: about his high approval ratings. Will go through those a
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Speaker 2: bit later on, but you know, there's a determination, there's
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Speaker 2: an energy to him. He's not sort of spraying out
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Speaker 2: a bit like he was in the first few months
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Speaker 2: last time. I mean I made the point, you know,
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Speaker 2: in three weeks he seems to have done more than
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's done in three years. He's not mucking around.
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Speaker 9: Well, there's three stories a day, isn't there, which is
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Speaker 9: quite extraordinary. But he's also saying some pretty extraordinary things,
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Speaker 9: such as Canada should be a fifty first state of America.
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Speaker 9: And I don't think this is the last of it
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Speaker 9: on the trade war front, because he's also flagging cars
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Speaker 9: and pharmaceuticals and next. So you know, I don't think
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Speaker 9: he's ever going to weighe any sort of military war.
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Speaker 9: Donald Trump. He makes threats and people jump. As always
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Speaker 9: been kind of the way, whether it be North Korea
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Speaker 9: or now he's trying it on Hamas. But he's very
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Speaker 9: much into this trade war side of things, and it's
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Speaker 9: something we've never seen before. Donald Trump likes to say,
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Speaker 9: this is the biggest thing, you know, that anyone's ever seen. Well,
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Speaker 9: this is the most frenetic start to a presidency that
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Speaker 9: anyone can remember in modern memory. So gosh, I wouldn't
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Speaker 9: like to predict what happens next.
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Speaker 2: Peter, Well, let's go to this train in Parliament. Pretty
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Speaker 2: scrappy question time today. This could be this could be
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Speaker 2: the last sitting week we have before an election's call,
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Speaker 2: and we sort of are in that professional game of
15:21
Speaker 2: election watch at the moment. But what do you make
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Speaker 2: of things?
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Speaker 9: I thought it was a dull day in the question time. Frankly,
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Speaker 9: I think everyone wants to be out of here. And
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Speaker 9: this is the problem the longer it drags on before
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Speaker 9: an election. Every single thing in this place is about
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Speaker 9: an election, so may as well have one. But way,
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Speaker 9: of course got in the way. There's no way the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister wants to get too much in the way
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Speaker 9: of that. The big things next week, of course, when
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Speaker 9: we everyone here expects a rate cut. But you know,
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Speaker 9: it's a crazy game for Jim Charmers and Katie Gallaha
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Speaker 9: when we're this late into a preparation of a budget.
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Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure that Jim Charmers would be the view
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Speaker 9: I just want to do the budget now because I've
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Speaker 9: done all the work on it, and so of my officials.
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Speaker 9: So if he junks that and goes in April, there's
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Speaker 9: a lot of a suspect because there's a rate cup
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Speaker 9: February eighteen, you only go in April, Peter. If there
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Speaker 9: was a rate cup February eighteen's my understanding, then Jim
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Speaker 9: Charmers and these officials probably have reason to be a
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Speaker 9: bit ticked off.
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Speaker 2: Frankly, Yeah, But everything he's costed for the budget to
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Speaker 2: announce on Budge of ninety announces during the campaign, his
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Speaker 2: costings are sure a bit more bulletproof because they're Treasury
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Speaker 2: costings as opposed to the opposition. And as you know,
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Speaker 2: with PIFO, you're ten days in from the ritz and
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Speaker 2: that's the first time the opposition gets a good look
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Speaker 2: at the numbers. So you know, it's a beautiful pincer
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Speaker 2: movement for the opposition because they're stuck. You know, they're
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Speaker 2: operating in a campaign footing on a campaign footing with
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Speaker 2: no real set of numbers beyond my EFO and last December.
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Speaker 2: So you know there's an argument to really screw around
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Speaker 2: with their costings if you don't have a federal budget.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 9: I mean, as I've said before, the question will be,
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Speaker 9: and I'll put it to him, what aren't you squibbing
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Speaker 9: it if you don't have a budget, which he said, no,
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Speaker 9: we're not.
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Speaker 2: Are we going to get reform electoral reform through before
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Speaker 2: the end of this week?
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Speaker 11: Do you think?
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Speaker 12: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Thursday? I reckon. The deal's been done, Peter. And it's
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Speaker 9: one of the things that goes through in the Senate
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Speaker 9: on a Thursday night because both side, sides of major
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Speaker 9: politics getting advantage out of it. It kind of has
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Speaker 9: an effect on Clyde Palmer the caps, but it also
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Speaker 9: has an effect from the liberal point of view on
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Speaker 9: the teals and the climate. Two hundred and Simon homes
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Speaker 9: a court, so there's kind of a bargaining chip for
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Speaker 9: each side, a win for each side, and that's of
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Speaker 9: course the only reason the Coalition would support it. Particularly
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Speaker 9: at this late stage, but it has that classic smell
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Speaker 9: of something they're going to pass it, you know, ten
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Speaker 9: minutes to midnight, they could probably pass it now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just made that point that you made there
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Speaker 2: about a Clive Palmer or assignment homes at court. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't come into effectill January twenty twenty seven, but it
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Speaker 2: will cap individual donors at six hundred thousand dollars a year,
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Speaker 2: lower the public threshold, disclosure threshold to one thousand dollars,
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Speaker 2: and limits spending per candidate to eight hundred thousand dollars. Now,
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Speaker 2: in some of those tier seats on other seat of curtain,
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Speaker 2: for example, they spend over a million dollars on that campaign,
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Speaker 2: So that would bring Curtin back by at least two
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Speaker 2: hundred k.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think Josh Frodenberg and Nik Ryan both
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Speaker 9: spent to me in right, So it would have that effect,
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Speaker 9: no doubt. If there's more money for the TiAl in
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Speaker 9: a particular seat like Kurtin I think you mentioned, but
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Speaker 9: I guess it's an even playing field at least, like
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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party couldn't spend more than that themselves in
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Speaker 9: that sort of contest.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all, not of labor could because they've
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Speaker 2: got donations coming from the unions, but the lives will
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Speaker 2: never get that sort of money. Andrew, thank you. We'll
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Speaker 2: stay with political donations because I want to focus on
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Speaker 2: transparency and in particular focus on the Teals who demand
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Speaker 2: transparency from others but seem to lack at themselves. Well,
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Speaker 2: not so many more after the chief writer at The Knightly,
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Speaker 2: Aaron Patrick, was able to do a bit of investigative
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Speaker 2: digging around on the source of some of these very
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Speaker 2: big donations to the Teals. This morning, Patrick broke the
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Speaker 2: story of Marcus Katsaris, a thirty one year old Tokyo
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Speaker 2: based weather trader involved with two climate connected businesses, who
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Speaker 2: is outspending the big billionaires by donating to the Teals.
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Speaker 2: So far, six tier MPs seeking reelection over the past
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Speaker 2: two years have received funding from Katsaris to the tune
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Speaker 2: of nearly two million dollars. Now, for a bit of perspective,
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Speaker 2: that's more in political donations than we've seen from Gina
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Speaker 2: Reinhardt for all the political flack thrown her way from
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Speaker 2: the left. So who is Marcus Katsaris joining me?
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Speaker 13: Now?
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Speaker 2: The blokeho's done the digging around the Nightley is Aaron Patrick. Aaron,
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Speaker 2: great to have you on the program, So good on
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Speaker 2: you for this expose because I think you know, if
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Speaker 2: you want to badge yourselves as being all about transparency
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Speaker 2: and integrity as the teals do, you've got to stump up.
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Speaker 2: What do we know about Katsarus?
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Speaker 8: Look?
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Speaker 14: Thanks Peter. This guy is a bit of a mystery man.
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Speaker 14: We know his age, we know where he lives, we
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Speaker 14: know two businesses that is associated with one's energy trading.
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Speaker 14: One's very small sort of investment fund which invests in
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Speaker 14: climate type businesses. But the source of his wealth is
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Speaker 14: a mystery. So how he's been able to put together
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Speaker 14: two million dollars to give out is really unclear. We
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Speaker 14: don't even know what his family background is, although he
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Speaker 14: seems to come from Sydney. After school he went and
20:56
Speaker 14: studied music scoring at a private school, private college in Boston,
21:02
Speaker 14: and he managed a little recording studio on the New
21:05
Speaker 14: South Wales north coast called the Cats ass.
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Speaker 2: Are we confident? I mean you make mention he's got
21:16
Speaker 2: some businesses. We'll get into those in a moment. He's
21:20
Speaker 2: no billionaire though, Are we sure he's not being used
21:23
Speaker 2: as a front for others.
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Speaker 14: We're not sure. So Look, one of the reasons I
21:30
Speaker 14: wanted to write this article was because how do you
21:33
Speaker 14: sort of come from nowhere to throw this kind of
21:35
Speaker 14: money around politics? How do you emerge from complete obscurity
21:39
Speaker 14: to be one of the biggest political donors in Australia.
21:42
Speaker 8: Which gives you, which could give.
21:43
Speaker 14: Him potentially a huge influence if there's a hung Parliament
21:47
Speaker 14: and the Teals hold the balance of power. So I
21:49
Speaker 14: just thought it was an the interest of transparency, which
21:51
Speaker 14: is the Teal sort of stated objective, to shine a
21:54
Speaker 14: light on this on this blog.
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Speaker 8: And I think that's a really good question.
21:59
Speaker 14: Is where does the only come from? Is it his
22:01
Speaker 14: own money? He doesn't seem like the kind of person
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Speaker 14: who has this money, kind of money to throw around.
22:08
Speaker 14: Not many people make political donations of this size. Generally
22:11
Speaker 14: it's any billionaires who put millions front into parties, and
22:16
Speaker 14: I don't think he's a billionaire. So I would really
22:20
Speaker 14: love to know where the money is coming from. And
22:22
Speaker 14: I've asked him and I have not got any response.
22:25
Speaker 14: He's a blank wall in terms of trying to interact
22:28
Speaker 14: with him.
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Speaker 2: Well, surely the Teals in the Parliament. As I say,
22:33
Speaker 2: they like to crow about transparency, demand integuity of others.
22:38
Speaker 2: Surely they would be willing to put this on the
22:41
Speaker 2: public record, you would think.
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Speaker 13: So.
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Speaker 14: Look the Teals I know, say Kylie Tinker North Sitney City,
22:48
Speaker 14: which was my last electorate. I think her slogan was
22:51
Speaker 14: changing the climate in Canberra and it was all about transparency.
22:55
Speaker 14: And to be fair on some of them, say Kate Cheney,
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Speaker 14: she puts up her donations in real time and they
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Speaker 14: are supporting parts of the election funding law which would
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Speaker 14: increase the transparency of the donations. But they are getting
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Speaker 14: this money through Climate two hundred. So this Kazara's chap
23:15
Speaker 14: is funding about twenty percent of all Climate two hundred's money.
23:20
Speaker 14: And Climate two hundred has had and synames of court
23:24
Speaker 14: have had a massive impact on Australian politics. And if
23:28
Speaker 14: they hadn't won those seats, and those Teal seats hadn't fallen,
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Speaker 14: as you would know better than I do, Coalition would
23:34
Speaker 14: be in a much better position for winning government. So
23:39
Speaker 14: I think it's I think this is a really important
23:43
Speaker 14: issue and I think voters deserve to know where the
23:47
Speaker 14: money is coming from because they want transparency. The Teals
23:51
Speaker 14: want transparency and this man who knows who knows what
23:54
Speaker 14: his objectives are. He has some business interests in climate policy,
23:59
Speaker 14: and he could be in a position to wield quite
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Speaker 14: significant power after.
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Speaker 2: The election, particularly if there's a hung parliament and the
24:08
Speaker 2: horse trading happens. You know, a political party funding candidates
24:13
Speaker 2: is one thing. We know what the manifestos of the
24:15
Speaker 2: major parties are and it's it's well disclosed and those
24:18
Speaker 2: decisions get made by elected MPs when they're negotiating, all
24:22
Speaker 2: very transparently. But if a big donor to the Teals
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Speaker 2: runs climate connected businesses and the Teals focus on climate policy,
24:32
Speaker 2: that's part of the horse trade. Well isn't there a
24:34
Speaker 2: question of integrity? I mean, are they going to say
24:38
Speaker 2: put on offer things that might benefit the donor as
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Speaker 2: part of their horse trade in the event of a
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Speaker 2: hung parliament.
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Speaker 14: Well, donors usually want something and return for the money,
24:50
Speaker 14: and donors who put in a lot of money generally
24:53
Speaker 14: want more. Money gives you access and it gives you power.
24:57
Speaker 14: So if you're if you make your income invest in
25:01
Speaker 14: climate companies, then you're going to want the government to
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Speaker 14: spend more money and doll out more in subsidies, and
25:08
Speaker 14: the fund that this gentleman runs invests in super early
25:12
Speaker 14: stage technology. Some of it was almost sort of science fiction,
25:16
Speaker 14: like like, for instance, he wants to send particles up
25:22
Speaker 14: into the clouds to reflect sunlight to reduce climate change.
25:27
Speaker 14: I don't know if this is feasible, but that's the
25:30
Speaker 14: kind of early stage technology that really struggles to get
25:35
Speaker 14: direct financial investment, and it's the ones that therefore can
25:40
Speaker 14: really only survive in many cases on direct government subsidies
25:44
Speaker 14: and government grants. So if there is to be a
25:47
Speaker 14: hung parliament and say, for instance, we have a labor
25:52
Speaker 14: government negotiating with the deals, it would be logical to
25:56
Speaker 14: assume that they will seek greater environmental sum cities, and
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Speaker 14: that startup businesses who say they've got the solution the
26:06
Speaker 14: climate change will be able to go to the government
26:09
Speaker 14: and get that kind of funding. So in theory, this
26:13
Speaker 14: gentleman Kitsaris and his fund could be the financial beneficiaries
26:20
Speaker 14: of a hung parliament. So I think that makes it
26:23
Speaker 14: incumbent upon people involved to tell us exactly where the
26:28
Speaker 14: money is coming from and if the people involved would
26:31
Speaker 14: get a financial benefit if this was to come.
26:33
Speaker 2: To pass, well, the pressures on the tiels and those
26:38
Speaker 2: that sit behind the tilS because integrity is part of
26:42
Speaker 2: their calling card. Aaron Patrick, and you've certainly foxed some
26:45
Speaker 2: of them out tonight. I think thank you for coming
26:47
Speaker 2: on the show. I really appreciate it. Right before we
26:50
Speaker 2: leave the tilS, I want to just show you this.
26:52
Speaker 2: This is a page off the Teal k Cheney's website,
26:57
Speaker 2: and in it, she says refers to labor lies about
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Speaker 2: her voting record. Now, chain is the TLNP for the
27:03
Speaker 2: wa seat of Curtain. It's the most marginal of all
27:06
Speaker 2: the Teal seats. It only needs about thirteen hundred people
27:10
Speaker 2: in the seat to change their vote, and she's out.
27:13
Speaker 2: She says. You may have heard from the Liberal Party
27:15
Speaker 2: that I support the Greens most of the time. That's
27:18
Speaker 2: not true, she says. She says that instead she supported
27:22
Speaker 2: fifty one percent of ALP moved motions, fifty percent of
27:26
Speaker 2: Coalition motions, and fifty three percent of Green's moved motions.
27:32
Speaker 2: But not on motions are legislation, are they? And it's
27:36
Speaker 2: legislation that matters because legislation is about passing the laws
27:40
Speaker 2: that we all have to live under. So what does
27:43
Speaker 2: she say about how she votes on legislation need well,
27:47
Speaker 2: funny that she doesn't give us the numbers, does she
27:49
Speaker 2: on her website? But unfortunately for her, I've got some
27:53
Speaker 2: research from the Parliamentary Library. This is about handsard voting
27:57
Speaker 2: record and it tells a very different story. Here. It
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Speaker 2: is on legislation. This is the stuff that really matters.
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Speaker 2: Kate Cheney votes with the Liberals twenty percent of the time.
28:08
Speaker 2: She votes with Labor seventy six percent of the time,
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Speaker 2: and she votes with the Greens seventy three percent of
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Speaker 2: the time. I might add in her seat at the
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Speaker 2: last election, forty one percent of that seat voted liberal
28:24
Speaker 2: fifteen sorry, forty one voted Liberal, fourteen percent of that
28:28
Speaker 2: seat voted Labor and only ten percent voted Greens. But
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Speaker 2: she's voting with the Greens on ledge seventy three percent
28:35
Speaker 2: of the time. Don't forget that. In Curtain coming up
28:39
Speaker 2: live to Israel, Hamas refusing to release any furthest hostages
28:42
Speaker 2: Donald Trump make it clear though enough's enough, they are
28:45
Speaker 2: all to come home by Saturday. The Deputy Foreign Minister
28:49
Speaker 2: of Israel joins me. This is the woman who savage
28:52
Speaker 2: the omeni the government too for being week on anti
28:55
Speaker 2: semitism class. How Chris Bowen's emission standards are driving up
28:59
Speaker 2: the price of cut in Australia. Welcome back. We're talking
29:05
Speaker 2: about gender medicine inquiries out of Canberra in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But first you don't need me to tell you a
29:11
Speaker 2: powerbill skyrocketed under Chris Byn. But now it's the price
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Speaker 2: of motor vehicles that will be here as Labour's climate
29:16
Speaker 2: and gender gathers pace under the Obenezer government's tough new
29:20
Speaker 2: vehicle emission standards. The automotive industry is warning that an
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Speaker 2: extra two point seven billion dollars will be added to
29:27
Speaker 2: car costs. That of course will be passed on to consumers.
29:31
Speaker 2: While the projective price rises will all vary. It's worth
29:34
Speaker 2: keeping in mind manufactures are the bigger vehicles. So these
29:37
Speaker 2: are the utes and trucks. Australians increasingly love the chevies
29:40
Speaker 2: and the ram trucks particularly that will be hit the hardest.
29:43
Speaker 2: Joined me now and to discuss this and more. Leader
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Speaker 2: of the Nationals in the Senate, Bridget McKenzie. Well, you
29:49
Speaker 2: leave senator in a regional electorate, so I know this
29:52
Speaker 2: matters a great deal. These are the sort of vehicles
29:54
Speaker 2: that those are the bush and our farmers must drive.
29:57
Speaker 2: It's a safety issue as much as anything else. But
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Speaker 2: they're the ones that will be hit the hardest. Yeah, absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 15: And it's not just our farmers, it's our traders who
30:08
Speaker 15: need to purchase utes to do their jobs. And it's
30:11
Speaker 15: the SUVs that flood our primary school car parks and
30:14
Speaker 15: the sporting fields for weekend kids sport. Australians need and
30:19
Speaker 15: love to drive SUVs, utes and those heavier vehicles, and
30:24
Speaker 15: they're exactly the types of cars that are going to
30:27
Speaker 15: be slugged by Labour's car tax. We know now that
30:32
Speaker 15: in one year alone, two point seven billion dollars of
30:36
Speaker 15: a secret car tax that Labour's been trying to hide
30:39
Speaker 15: the impact of has now been exposed and that's going
30:43
Speaker 15: to drive the prices up of those cars that everyday
30:46
Speaker 15: Australians want to purchase up by thousands.
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Speaker 2: And thousands of dollars.
30:51
Speaker 15: We know that cars are, you know, often the second
30:54
Speaker 15: biggest purchase you're going to make in your life outside
30:57
Speaker 15: of your home, and in a particular time, twist of
31:00
Speaker 15: canbra crazy hybrids, Peter are going to also be slugged.
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Speaker 2: It's just nuts. The other thing I noticed. I went
31:09
Speaker 2: to try and turn my car over. I've got a
31:11
Speaker 2: Diesel V six engine and I love my diesel. I'm
31:15
Speaker 2: not going to go over for diesel or petrol at least,
31:17
Speaker 2: but I went to try and turn it over, and
31:19
Speaker 2: I had two options to changed the engine side. I
31:21
Speaker 2: have to go with a four cylinder or I go
31:23
Speaker 2: with electric. That the six cylinder is gone, the diesel
31:27
Speaker 2: is gone. I asked, why is that. They said, there's
31:29
Speaker 2: new caps, new caps from Canberra, and they're limiting the
31:33
Speaker 2: size of some engine types so that you know, with
31:36
Speaker 2: some of other vehicles the overall brand can put a
31:39
Speaker 2: little bit more grunt in an engine over there, but
31:41
Speaker 2: the mid size that I like, they're stripping away the
31:44
Speaker 2: bigger engines absolutely.
31:47
Speaker 15: And if you need to tow a horse, float a
31:49
Speaker 15: jet ski, if you need to do big k's I
31:53
Speaker 15: have larger payloads than just scooting around in a city
31:57
Speaker 15: Melbourne or Sydney, you are going to be the one
32:00
Speaker 15: that is absolutely slugged. And I guess we've been trying
32:04
Speaker 15: to say this ever since the Labor government slammed these
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Speaker 15: emission standards through the Parliament without an inquiry, without the
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Speaker 15: right to have second reading speeches, ask questions of the minister,
32:15
Speaker 15: or any scrutiny. We raised significant concerns about them needing
32:20
Speaker 15: to release the modeling so we could understand the impact.
32:22
Speaker 15: And here we have come the start of twenty twenty
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Speaker 15: five industry modeling that absolutely confirms our worst fears.
32:33
Speaker 2: Let's go to your shadow portfolio. Particularly when I go
32:36
Speaker 2: to aviation the employment Minister Murray what he's kiwa washed
32:40
Speaker 2: the appointment of a new CEO and virgin at the
32:44
Speaker 2: behest of the Transport Workers union. Now, how on earth
32:48
Speaker 2: do we have a minister being told by a union
32:52
Speaker 2: pick up the phone ring one of the companies that
32:55
Speaker 2: you regulate as minister, and you dictate to them who
32:58
Speaker 2: they can and can't have as their CEO.
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Speaker 15: Well, Peter, I think this is what happens when you
33:06
Speaker 15: let shop stewards become senators. We've actually seen under labor
33:11
Speaker 15: the union power bolstered right throughout our economy where their
33:14
Speaker 15: industrial or relations laws, where they can dictate the terms
33:18
Speaker 15: not only of EBAs, but now the vetting approval process
33:23
Speaker 15: of private companies appointing management positions, and it's an appalling
33:27
Speaker 15: state of affairs. We've seen this overreach by ministers before
33:32
Speaker 15: into regulatory environments that they have oversight on, and I
33:37
Speaker 15: think it just goes to show that how beholden labor
33:41
Speaker 15: ministers are right across the board, not just to the TWU,
33:45
Speaker 15: but to the ACTU members more broadly in the conduct
33:49
Speaker 15: of their duties.
33:53
Speaker 2: Now know you once a pretty hand in the bulo
33:54
Speaker 2: and no you love women's sport. You're passionate about protecting
33:57
Speaker 2: sport for women and girls. You would have been pretty
34:00
Speaker 2: happy to see those comments from Peter Darton last week
34:03
Speaker 2: that he doesn't think it's controversial that he says this
34:06
Speaker 2: is an issue that voters really care about. Can we
34:09
Speaker 2: hope to see something from the coalition before we vote
34:12
Speaker 2: in the election on.
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Speaker 15: This well, I think so many of us have been
34:17
Speaker 15: so public and forthright in our views around biological men
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Speaker 15: competing against women in women's sport. Thankfully, now, thanks to
34:26
Speaker 15: the pressure of the broader community globally, we are seeing
34:30
Speaker 15: a lot of sporting bodies make decisions to protect women
34:34
Speaker 15: in sport. I want to see every young girl in
34:37
Speaker 15: Australia who's competing in sport, aspite of the very highest podium,
34:42
Speaker 15: that she can and she won't win if she's competing
34:45
Speaker 15: against biological men, and that is just a sad reality.
34:49
Speaker 15: So I was really buoyed by Dutz's comments, and obviously
34:52
Speaker 15: we want to see as many women and young girls
34:55
Speaker 15: competing in safe spaces in women's sport going forward.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Bridget'll leave it there, Thank you for
35:03
Speaker 2: your time. At the rate we'll go to Israel. Donald
35:05
Speaker 2: Trump's comments that ultimatum he has given hum Us Saturday
35:09
Speaker 2: twelve midday and the latest two on Pauline Hanson's pushed
35:12
Speaker 2: for a national inquiry into gender treatments for children. Welcome
35:21
Speaker 2: back that motion for serious inquiry to gender minisone. I
35:24
Speaker 2: mentioned that before in Campra this is Pauline Hanson's motion.
35:27
Speaker 2: Well it fell short yet again, but this time it
35:30
Speaker 2: has some high profile coalition backers. So we're getting closer.
35:34
Speaker 2: We'll get to the detail in a moment, but first
35:36
Speaker 2: the guards are CEASEPA deals hanging in the balance. Tonight,
35:39
Speaker 2: after hum Us announced it would postpone further hostage prisoner exchanges,
35:44
Speaker 2: accusing ISRAELIH violenting the agreement, President Donald Trump has responded
35:48
Speaker 2: from the Oval Office with this today a show of force, A.
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Speaker 4: Suppose, as I'm concerned. If all of the hostages aren't
35:55
Speaker 4: returned by Saturday at twelve o'clock, I think it's an
35:59
Speaker 4: approp for your time. I would say, cancel it and
36:04
Speaker 4: all bets are off and let hell break.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Now? The Deputy Foreign
36:11
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister of Israel, Sharen Haskell Sharin, thank you for
36:14
Speaker 2: your time. That ultimatum from the President. It could not
36:19
Speaker 2: have been clearer. Everyone out, all hostages by Saturday at noon.
36:24
Speaker 2: Do you think it will happen?
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Speaker 13: Well, I really hope so. But Peter, we are dealing
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Speaker 13: with a terrorist organization. They've already violated numerous times since
36:35
Speaker 13: we've signed the ceasefire agreement. They violated a few times already.
36:41
Speaker 13: But this is a complete outrage, the fact that on
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Speaker 13: Saturday they were meant to be another four hostages being released,
36:51
Speaker 13: and they declare they want to do it. You know,
36:55
Speaker 13: we are absolutely furious. We know our forces, they've been
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Speaker 13: from the start. We knew that that might happen when
37:03
Speaker 13: dealing with a terrorist organization. So our troops are ready.
37:09
Speaker 13: They are ready to resume our war against Comas at
37:13
Speaker 13: any point, at any minute, and on Saturday, if they
37:16
Speaker 13: will not release our hostages. We will be ready as well.
37:23
Speaker 2: We've watched here in Australia as the world has the
37:26
Speaker 2: recent images of those relates severely emaciated hostages. I mean,
37:32
Speaker 2: clearly the conditions appear to be deteriorating in the tunnels.
37:37
Speaker 2: Do we know more about the children and the babies
37:39
Speaker 2: in particular.
37:42
Speaker 13: Well, look, all of the hostages are being abused physically, emotionally.
37:47
Speaker 13: They're being tortured. Matter of fact, one of our hostages
37:52
Speaker 13: or he's actually being chained. We have information that they've
37:57
Speaker 13: chained him the whole time. He's in a cage. He's
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Speaker 13: injured in his eyes, he's in a very difficult mental
38:06
Speaker 13: uh uh you know, uh situation.
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Speaker 16: Uh.
38:09
Speaker 13: And and we are very concerned, particularly especially about two
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Speaker 13: babies that are being hold for more than a year
38:16
Speaker 13: now in the hands of these monsters. They are meant
38:20
Speaker 13: to be released also during this first stage of the
38:23
Speaker 13: cease fire. And yet as much as Hamas was meant
38:27
Speaker 13: to tell us you know the condition of each hostage,
38:31
Speaker 13: and they didn't as it was agreed on our agreement.
38:37
Speaker 13: We are in desperate need to get more information about
38:41
Speaker 13: the Beavers family. We saw your then the husband coming back,
38:45
Speaker 13: not knowing what had happened to his wife and his
38:48
Speaker 13: two babies, the entire country heart is completely broken and shadowed.
38:53
Speaker 13: And we will not stop. We will not stop our
38:56
Speaker 13: war against Tamas until they are all back home, all
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Speaker 13: of them.
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Speaker 2: Look, I have to say, we've watched that family ourselves
39:06
Speaker 2: here in Australia, and I think the world is on
39:09
Speaker 2: a knife edge to hope that they do come home,
39:11
Speaker 2: that the family comes home intact. I think we all
39:14
Speaker 2: fear that there may be more coffins now than hostages. Look,
39:18
Speaker 2: we hope we're all wrong. I must say. Listening to
39:22
Speaker 2: the interviews from the women hostages, the bravery, the resilience,
39:27
Speaker 2: the fight still in these women after what they have
39:31
Speaker 2: gone through, I just think it is awe inspiring.
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Speaker 13: Thank you so much.
39:38
Speaker 2: I completely agree.
39:39
Speaker 13: I mean, the resilience and the strength that they show,
39:44
Speaker 13: they endure, that they shared with one another, the stories
39:47
Speaker 13: on how they're supported one another doing a really difficult time.
39:53
Speaker 13: I mean, this is hell. They've been through hell and
39:57
Speaker 13: now you know, the recovery says is starting and I
40:03
Speaker 13: don't think anyone can even imagine what they've been through.
40:07
Speaker 13: Those monsters. On the seventh of October committed crimes against humanity, raping,
40:12
Speaker 13: burning elderly alive, executing babies and children. It's you know,
40:20
Speaker 13: this is the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust,
40:23
Speaker 13: and we know that we know that we cannot let
40:29
Speaker 13: something like that ever happen again. Our goal is very clear,
40:33
Speaker 13: bringing back our family members home and making sure that
40:37
Speaker 13: Hamas or anyone else is incapable of committing such crimes
40:41
Speaker 13: ever again.
40:45
Speaker 2: So when you criticize the Albaneza government for tandley of
40:48
Speaker 2: anti semitism in Australia following Internal General Mark Dreyfus's visit
40:52
Speaker 2: to Israel last month, well this week in the Australia
40:55
Speaker 2: in Parliament, hey, Mark Dreyfus as accursed the coalition of
41:00
Speaker 2: cliticizing antisemitism in Australia. Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: But those of the opposite have taken every opportunity since
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Speaker 10: the seventh of October twenty twenty three to politicize the
41:11
Speaker 10: trauma and the experiences of the Jewish people. You're disgusting.
41:16
Speaker 10: There's nothing more serious than the opposition being accused of politicizing.
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Speaker 8: An issue like this.
41:24
Speaker 2: Now, I'm you know, I'm not going to comment on
41:26
Speaker 2: the case. I said, I'm not asking you to comment
41:28
Speaker 2: on our parliament. But I mean, anyone can say that
41:31
Speaker 2: antisemitism is on the rise in Australia, has been on
41:34
Speaker 2: the rise, and it's not playing politics, is it to
41:37
Speaker 2: point this out?
41:40
Speaker 13: Peter, My position as a leader here in Israel is
41:44
Speaker 13: not just to look after you know, our nation and
41:48
Speaker 13: our people and the Jewish people here in Israel, but
41:50
Speaker 13: it is our responsibility to look after the Jewish communities
41:55
Speaker 13: all around the world. This is one of the ideas
41:59
Speaker 13: behind Israel, that Israel will forever be the defender and
42:02
Speaker 13: the shelter of Jews all around the world. And when
42:06
Speaker 13: I saw that rise of anti Semitism in Australia, I
42:09
Speaker 13: couldn't believe it. I lived for years in Narubra, just
42:13
Speaker 13: around the corner from the daycare that was burned, that
42:17
Speaker 13: was attacked. I could never imagine something like that happening
42:24
Speaker 13: in Australia. The Jewish community was safe. It was one
42:27
Speaker 13: of the most, you know, most accepting places. It is
42:33
Speaker 13: a haven, a heaven for communities from all around the
42:36
Speaker 13: world coming to Sydney to Australia to build their life,
42:41
Speaker 13: to live in a shared communities with different nations, with
42:44
Speaker 13: different people and I think that it hasn't been addressed
42:48
Speaker 13: properly for a very long time, and it's been let go,
42:52
Speaker 13: you know, I've said and the Prime Minister have said
42:55
Speaker 13: as well. It was obvious that the rhetoric against Israel
43:00
Speaker 13: has inflated some of that hatred as well, and I
43:03
Speaker 13: stand behind that. But also you know, just after the
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Speaker 13: seventh of October, on the eighth of October, those progy
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Speaker 13: hottists were marching in the opera house screaming out, yelling
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Speaker 13: out gas or Jews. It wasn't a single soldier in
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Speaker 13: Godz that we haven't started our operations for three weeks
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Speaker 13: after the seventh of October. What were they demonstrating there? For,
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Speaker 13: they were supporting the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 13: Yelling out gas or Jews. It means they want to
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Speaker 13: attack all Jewish communities all around the world. How many
43:37
Speaker 13: people were arrested, how many people were persecuted, how many
43:41
Speaker 13: people were charged of crime of hate crime. If you
43:45
Speaker 13: don't tackle that, if you don't address that and draw
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Speaker 13: a red line, it will just continue to deteriorate. And
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Speaker 13: so it was my role as well understanding the lack
43:58
Speaker 13: of enforcement against the explosion of hatred and violence against
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Speaker 13: Jews in particular, also about Minister Drivers. I mean his
44:08
Speaker 13: office was attacked as well because he was Jewish. There
44:12
Speaker 13: has to be a clear red line against that hatred,
44:15
Speaker 13: the bigotry, these attacks, physical attacks, and I think that
44:20
Speaker 13: the government was very slow on doing that, and that's
44:22
Speaker 13: why it was important for me to address that so that,
44:25
Speaker 13: you know, to protect the Jewish community, to make sure
44:28
Speaker 13: the government does take action, not just word, but action
44:32
Speaker 13: to keep them safe. And I think that the changing
44:36
Speaker 13: of the legislation last week is very welcome. I think
44:39
Speaker 13: that's a start, but there's much more that needs to
44:42
Speaker 13: be done to make sure that the Jewish community is
44:45
Speaker 13: safe and secured in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're starting with you on that. We are having
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Speaker 2: a special forum ats Gone News on anti Semitism. We
44:54
Speaker 2: were practical action. We're fighting in Yakonna. Thank you, Sharen,
44:58
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 12: There.
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Speaker 2: That's the Minister Minister, Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel and
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Speaker 2: she's passionate as she should be. Country is at war
45:06
Speaker 2: all right. After the break, the Prudential Regulator launching an
45:08
Speaker 2: investigation into CEABUS union payments. Repeated warnings too of a
45:13
Speaker 2: governance issues. Those senators too, Who are they that backed
45:16
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson's call from an inquiry into child gender treatments? Right,
45:25
Speaker 2: let's bring in the panel. Deputy executive director at the IPA,
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Speaker 2: Daniel Wild, Pauline Hanson, the chief of staff James Ashby,
45:32
Speaker 2: prudential regulator is looking at millions and millions of dollars
45:35
Speaker 2: of payments made by c BUS. This is the industry
45:39
Speaker 2: fund connected to construction to fund its union backers and
45:43
Speaker 2: there's real concerns here, obviously about governance. This was all
45:46
Speaker 2: revealed yesterday in the Australian Financial Review, and there's also
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Speaker 2: other reports going back to twenty fifteen that found c BUS,
45:53
Speaker 2: this is supposed to be a clean industry super fund itself,
45:57
Speaker 2: had deep ties to the c of MEU. Are you
46:00
Speaker 2: surprised here.
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Speaker 12: Daniel, Well, not surprised, Peter, but I am concerned. It's
46:07
Speaker 12: something like ninety billion dollar plus in assets that are
46:11
Speaker 12: under its control and you've sort of got to ask
46:13
Speaker 12: the question, well, is that money being invested in a
46:15
Speaker 12: manner that's in the interests of the workers whose wages
46:20
Speaker 12: go into superannuation or is it being done for political reasons?
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Speaker 12: You know, if they're investing in projects that are purely
46:26
Speaker 12: for the reason that their union dominated projects to funnel
46:29
Speaker 12: money there instead of projects which are going to provide
46:32
Speaker 12: a higher rate of return for the super annuans, then
46:35
Speaker 12: you know clearly there's an issue there. And I think
46:37
Speaker 12: the only real solution, and this is something that people
46:39
Speaker 12: would be talking about for a long time, is to
46:40
Speaker 12: have more independent directors on the boards of super funds.
46:44
Speaker 12: I mean, super funds should be there purely for the
46:47
Speaker 12: interests of those whose money is compulsorily being put in
46:51
Speaker 12: there and not being done to forward a political or
46:54
Speaker 12: ideological agenda. Yet clearly that appears to be what's happening
46:58
Speaker 12: at CEBUS and most likely at other superannuation funds.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the gender inquiry that your boss, Paul
47:06
Speaker 2: and Hansen pushed again for the Senate. She wants an
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Speaker 2: inquiry in National inquiry into experimental child gender treatments. The
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Speaker 2: motion was defeated, but there were a total of eighteen
47:18
Speaker 2: senators this time from the coalition. Bridget Mackenzie, we just
47:20
Speaker 2: spoke to her. Mcatie Cash just sent a Namba jimper Price.
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Speaker 2: A whole lot more voted for this motion. It was
47:27
Speaker 2: a conscience vote on the coalition side. It was defeated, James,
47:32
Speaker 2: But is this shaping up as a bit of an
47:34
Speaker 2: election issue.
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Speaker 16: For you, Well, it's the sixth time we put this up.
47:39
Speaker 16: You would have thought the common sense would eventually kick in.
47:41
Speaker 16: But you know, the same old corporates within the coalition
47:44
Speaker 16: there ran away from the chamber. Goodbye Jane Hume, goodbye
47:48
Speaker 16: Anne Rusten. And then you had two from New South
47:51
Speaker 16: Wales who've turned so moderate these days in the coalition
47:54
Speaker 16: and one from Tazzy that voted against it. These are
47:57
Speaker 16: the problems that the coalition, Peter Dutton faces ahead of this.
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Speaker 11: It shouldn't have been a conscience vote. This is just
48:02
Speaker 11: common sense.
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Speaker 16: You know, I'm all for experiments in high school, but
48:07
Speaker 16: not social experiments on kids. We use cane toads when
48:10
Speaker 16: I was at school, not children. And all we've asked,
48:13
Speaker 16: we've seen the destruction that this is done to students
48:15
Speaker 16: or kids right across the globe. Australia is coming last
48:18
Speaker 16: in doing something about it.
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Speaker 11: It's time we have an inquiry.
48:22
Speaker 16: It's something so simple and it's pretty evident out there
48:25
Speaker 16: to voters that if you can't get unity from the coalition.
48:28
Speaker 16: The only choice at this election will be to vote
48:31
Speaker 16: for one nation both in the Lower House and the Senate.
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Speaker 11: By all means put the Liberal second.
48:35
Speaker 16: But if we get that balance of power, you bet
48:37
Speaker 16: your bottom dollar. It may take a seventh time to
48:40
Speaker 16: get this inquiry up, but I think the Coalition will
48:42
Speaker 16: come to their senses if we hold the balance of
48:44
Speaker 16: power in the next parliament.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly knew Dan while because I know you
48:49
Speaker 2: know procedure as well as I do. It's unusual for
48:52
Speaker 2: there to be a conscience vote on anything that is
48:55
Speaker 2: not a life and death matter. Now, this is not
48:58
Speaker 2: even can we bring in gender treatments for kids or not?
49:03
Speaker 2: This is just an inquiry into it, right, So I'm
49:05
Speaker 2: surprised there's a conscience vote on an inquiry. This is
49:09
Speaker 2: just getting the experts around the table and listening to
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Speaker 2: the experts. Is not acting on anything. It's just an inquiry.
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Speaker 2: Or should that be a conscience vote in your view?
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Speaker 12: Well, in my view is pretty straightforward. I mean children
49:23
Speaker 12: shouldn't be given access to puberty blockers and other treatments
49:27
Speaker 12: of this nature. I thought it's fairly a fairly straightforward thing.
49:30
Speaker 12: I think we should have an inquiry, But to be honest,
49:33
Speaker 12: do we need one? I mean, do most people think
49:35
Speaker 12: that you know, this is sensible in any way. If
49:38
Speaker 12: you're an adult and you want to go ahead with
49:40
Speaker 12: a gender transition, well that's up to you. But when
49:43
Speaker 12: you're a child, no way. I mean, this should not
49:45
Speaker 12: be going anywhere near children. This is total common sense.
49:48
Speaker 12: We're seeing important inquiries in the UK and elsewhere. You
49:52
Speaker 12: know we need to go down this road. Let's have
49:54
Speaker 12: an inquiry first, but really let's just get to the
49:56
Speaker 12: end of it and just ban this for children. I mean,
49:58
Speaker 12: that's what parents think, That's what almost every single normal
50:01
Speaker 12: Australian thinks. I think it's a pretty straightforward one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I agree with you on the principle, but
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Speaker 2: I think is wrongheaded to have a conscience vote on
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Speaker 2: an inquiry. I've never seen that before in the coalition.
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Speaker 2: Someone can tell me I'm wrong, but I don't suspect
50:14
Speaker 2: I am. Gents, amount of time. Sorry, we went a
50:16
Speaker 2: bit longer than expected out of Israel. Thank you for
50:18
Speaker 2: joining me tonight. Thank you at home too. Have a
50:20
Speaker 2: good night. I see to bow night at six. Here's
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Speaker 2: Andrew