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Tony Jones on LeBron joining the Sixers, Embiid needed as much now (?), Who helped themselves the most this offseason + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: You tune to the Sean o'connells Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: And some breaking news here.
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  Speaker 1: James is not going to pay attention to the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the show because his Boston Red Sox just acquired
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  Speaker 1: all star catcher Adlee Ritchman from the Orioles. The former
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  Speaker 1: Oregon State Beaver is now a Red Sox. So James just,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, takes the rest of the show off, which
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  Speaker 1: is only fifty four minutes or so.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see you later, see you guys tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Our next guest is covering the Philadelphia seventy six ers
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  Speaker 1: now after he abandoned us. Actually I think he might
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  Speaker 1: be living in Philly, but maybe he's flying a helicopter
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  Speaker 1: into work.
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  Speaker 2: Each day, which may or may not be the lebron
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  Speaker 2: James plan.
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  Speaker 1: Tony Jones of the athletic kind enough to join us,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still like on a band A word
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  Speaker 3: abandon What?
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  Speaker 4: How did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: We just you know you you took another opportunity and
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  Speaker 1: instead of celebrating your accomplishment in life, we took the
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  Speaker 1: tack of feeling abandoned and feeling like it should have
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  Speaker 1: been all about us, and you left us in the dust.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that's where abandon came from.
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  Speaker 3: I love you guys so much, and you notice.
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  Speaker 2: We just miss you, that's all. But I missed you too,
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  Speaker 2: bro in seriousness.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, great opportunity, pretty cool thing. And now right, you've
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  Speaker 1: been covering Lebron James's career because he's Lebron James, and
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  Speaker 1: you're a sports reporter and an NBA guy specifically, and
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  Speaker 1: and now you're in Lebron James' city, on Lebron James's duty.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, what do you anticipate? What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Like, we haven't talked since he made the decision to
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  Speaker 1: join Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: I want I want you.
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  Speaker 1: To unpack your reaction to the fact that not only
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  Speaker 1: is Lebron a Philadelphia seventy six er, but now you'll
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  Speaker 1: be covering Lebron on a very regular basis.
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  Speaker 3: So I talked to a source close close to the
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  Speaker 3: situation on the data he signed, and you know, we
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  Speaker 3: talked for about twenty minutes, you know, just kind of
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  Speaker 3: going back and forth on the landscape, and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're about to get off the phone and this source
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  Speaker 3: says me, Tony, I hope you're ready because the Circus
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  Speaker 3: is coming to town. And I was just like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: that's like the perfect encapsulation of where it's going to be.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's gonna be you know, James asked me
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  Speaker 3: kind of you know what I was expecting, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I said to James, I said, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: probably you know, it's going to be like any other beat,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, probably a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit more eyes on it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's kind of gonna be box office wherever they go, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like Lebron, James and Joel Embiid and Jalen Brown are
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  Speaker 3: on the same team, and oh, by the way, Tyrese
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  Speaker 3: Maxee and and.
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  Speaker 4: You know, one of the best three rookies in.
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  Speaker 3: The league last year and vj Eskim are also on
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  Speaker 3: the team as well.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, it's gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Be one of those things where every arena is full.
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  Speaker 3: You know, obviously, you know Lebron brings eyes. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be a fair rail tour
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  Speaker 3: because I expect Lebron to play two years, get two
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  Speaker 3: years out of this, but it's it's gonna be really interesting,
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  Speaker 3: you know, no matter where the sitters go, and and
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  Speaker 3: you can already see in Philadelphia. You know, when I
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  Speaker 3: got to town last year, I mean, this was an
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  Speaker 3: Eagles town. And over the last three or four weeks,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you listen to the radio shows and you
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  Speaker 3: listen to the talk shows, this is turning back into
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  Speaker 3: a Citrus town. So it's been actually kind of really
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  Speaker 3: interesting to see all of that stuff on fold in
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  Speaker 3: real time.
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  Speaker 1: So Lebron has obviously earned the right he gets to
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  Speaker 1: do whatever he wants, go wherever he wants. His legacy
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  Speaker 1: is intact and secure basically no matter what happens, barring
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  Speaker 1: anything absolutely outlandish and insane. I'm I was surprised that
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  Speaker 1: the decision was made to join a team that feels,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, dependent on a guy.
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  Speaker 2: Who's so injury prone.
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  Speaker 1: Joel Embiid is such a big piece of what they
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  Speaker 1: are going to do, even if they have Lebron James
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  Speaker 1: in the fold. He's such a huge piece of it.
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  Speaker 1: And he's available fifty percent of the time. That's his
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  Speaker 1: career record. He's there for fifty percent of his games.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I was like, I didn't think Lebron James
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  Speaker 1: would take that risk at this point in his career.
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  Speaker 2: How big a risk is it? Am I over indexing there?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there are two other all NBA players in the
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  Speaker 3: Star lineup that are not named Joel Embiid right now,
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  Speaker 3: in Jaylen Brown and Tyrs Maxley. Both of those guys
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  Speaker 3: we're all NBA team, We're all NBA guys. Both of
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  Speaker 3: those guys averaged twenty eight a game last last year.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what this weird ob session
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  Speaker 3: was or has been with people trying to question exactly
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  Speaker 3: how good Jalen Brown is. But he's really, really, really good,
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  Speaker 3: I you know, obviously, and obviously this was well before
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  Speaker 3: you know, I had any anybody had any inkland that
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown would end up in Philadelphia. I voted Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Brown number two on my NBA on my MVP Vollot
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  Speaker 3: for last year.
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  Speaker 4: I thought he was that good.
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  Speaker 3: He had was twenty eight points, six rebounds five Francistan game.
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  Speaker 3: He was the driving force behind a team that did
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  Speaker 3: not have Jason Tatum in winning fifty four games of
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  Speaker 3: finishing second in the Eastern Conference. He's one of the
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  Speaker 3: best small forwards in the world and.
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  Speaker 4: Tyrese Maxie is one of the best point.
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  Speaker 3: Guards in the world. So I'm not saying that Philadelphia
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  Speaker 3: doesn't need Jalen Joellenbie to win a championship.
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  Speaker 4: I actually think they do.
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  Speaker 3: But what they don't need at this point is joellenbi
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  Speaker 3: to play any regular season games. If Joel nbi played
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  Speaker 3: zero regular season games, this team could still win fifty
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  Speaker 3: five games.
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  Speaker 4: That's how good Tyrese.
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  Speaker 3: Maxie, Joel Embiid, and Lebron James can be with the
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  Speaker 3: depth that they have around those guys. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: Joel Ebiid went from at least in the regular season,
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  Speaker 3: a need, a real need he was obviously a need
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  Speaker 3: last year, a necessity to a luxury.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's what the.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown trade does for the Sixers, as well as
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  Speaker 3: getting Lebron James. I do think that if you know
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  Speaker 3: the Sixers are gonna you know, deep San Antonio, the
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  Speaker 3: San Antonio Spurs or Oklahoma City Thunder or even the
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Lakers four times in a series. If they
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  Speaker 3: should get out of the Eastern Conference, they're gonna need
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  Speaker 3: joellenb to do it because they're gonna need uh that
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  Speaker 3: kind of half court scoring that joellenb.
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  Speaker 4: Provide, but.
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  Speaker 3: They they don't really need them in the regular season
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  Speaker 3: right now, so and I think that that's the biggest
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  Speaker 3: thing that getting somebody like Jaylen Brown does for the Sixers.
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  Speaker 1: Tony Jones is our guest here talking right now little
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  Speaker 1: NBA basketball. Maybe I'll pick his brain about some NFL
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  Speaker 1: stuff coming up here in a second. But okay, So
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia obviously helped themselves a lot this offseason, and they
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  Speaker 1: did it without having to spend a lot, without having
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  Speaker 1: to sacrifice a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Who else impressed you with their roster construction in this.
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  Speaker 3: Assuming that the Kawhi Leonard trade goes through. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I really love what Toronto did, you know. I really
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  Speaker 3: liked with what the Los Angeles Lakers did and getting
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  Speaker 3: Walker Kestler's I apologize the Jazz fans. I obviously really
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  Speaker 3: liked what the Jazz did and the return for Walker
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  Speaker 3: Castler trade. And I thought that the Jazz made a great,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if not obvious, uh pick and picking Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: So I like what they did as well. But I
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  Speaker 3: really like, you know, just the Eastern Conference as a whole.
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  Speaker 3: I think that this is going to be the first
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  Speaker 3: year and eons, probably thirty years, where I could probably
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  Speaker 3: say that the Eastern Conference on the whole, on the collective,
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  Speaker 3: is better, is better than the Western Conference. You can
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  Speaker 3: argue that the top two teams in the league are
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  Speaker 3: in the Western Conference. I will probably argue against that,
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  Speaker 3: being that the New York Knicks or are the reigning
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA champions.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that the East, for you know, the
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  Speaker 4: first time.
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  Speaker 3: In forever, has has better depth, uh than the West.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a new contender in the East, a new one,
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  Speaker 1: somebody that wasn't in that conversation last year but belongs
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  Speaker 1: in it in this upcoming season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Philadelphia, that's number one, because they didn't
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  Speaker 3: belong in in that conversation last year, but they certainly
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  Speaker 3: belong in this conversation this year. I'll go back to
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  Speaker 3: the Kawhi Leonard trade, if if if that goes through
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  Speaker 3: UH and Toronto, compare Kawhi Leonard with Scottie Barnes.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: That's a killer, just an absolutely killer forward du duo.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, and I think that they belong in
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  Speaker 3: that conversation as well. I would you know, look at Atlanta,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just with the depth and some of the
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  Speaker 3: moves that they've made, you know, they're going to be
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  Speaker 3: in the conversation. But you know, if you look up
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  Speaker 3: and down the Eastern Conference, I mean, you know, the Knicks,
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  Speaker 3: the Sixers, the Raptors, you know, the Celtics are still
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  Speaker 3: going to be really good. You know the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Cavaliers are still going to be really good.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I think Orlando, you know, getting getting Sweeney. I think
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  Speaker 3: that that's going to be an upgrade in coaching, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that they're going to be better than they
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  Speaker 3: were last year, certainly more consistent. I just think up
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  Speaker 3: and down the Eastern Conference, Uh, it's it's littered with
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  Speaker 3: good teams who who have the chance to do a
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  Speaker 3: lot of really good things if things go their way.
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  Speaker 2: You've alluded to it twice.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if the Kawhi Leonard trade goes through and Toronto
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  Speaker 1: can end up with him, what what what does your
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  Speaker 1: gut tell you about the likelihood of that going through all.
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  Speaker 2: The way.
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  Speaker 3: I think it will go. I think it will end
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  Speaker 3: up going through. I just you know, I think, like
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the league, I hold the sentiment that
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  Speaker 3: I just wish the NBA or whoever the power to
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  Speaker 3: be in that situation, finish their business once and for all.
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  Speaker 3: Uh so so that you know, some things can start
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  Speaker 3: to move because I do believe Peyton Watson's situation is
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  Speaker 3: held up because of that. I do believe that Benedict
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  Speaker 3: mathering situation is held up in some respects because of
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  Speaker 3: that as well. You know, so I just really wish
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  Speaker 3: you know that that you know, whoever is running, you
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  Speaker 3: know is running that you know investigation, you know that
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  Speaker 3: they finish up, so you know that the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the league and the Clippers can can
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  Speaker 3: finish their business once and for all.
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  Speaker 1: Victor wimban Yama is hosting a bunch of his Spurs
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  Speaker 1: teammates in France right now, and you know, you read
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  Speaker 1: the articles and there's a lot of conversations about what
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  Speaker 1: great leadership is showing despite his youth, and he's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's an alien. This guy's going to be the future.
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  Speaker 1: He already is the president of the NBA. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the future of the NBA. I think for
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  Speaker 1: a while he did not show his best self, necessarily
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  Speaker 1: his best player self in the finals, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's totally normal. You and I have talked about it already.
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  Speaker 1: What do you need to see him doing this offseason?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe this is it to make you feel like
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  Speaker 1: the next version this upcoming season, if he's able to
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  Speaker 1: get back there, Victor woman Yama will be able to
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  Speaker 1: play more of a clutch version of basketball, be the
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  Speaker 1: best version of himself and maybe take home a championship.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think that he needed He got what
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  Speaker 3: he needed, which is a real adults of humility, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that that was that's one of the biggest
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  Speaker 3: things that he needs to take into the next season,
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  Speaker 3: because I thought it was fairly obvious, was fairly obvious
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  Speaker 3: that neither he or the Spurs took the Knicks seriously
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  Speaker 3: and the Knicks in turn kicked their behinds. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: you could say that, oh, well, the Spurs had you know,
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  Speaker 3: double digit leads in the first quarters, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: every game, well, you know NBA games of forty eight
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  Speaker 3: minutes long, not twelve minutes long, and over forty eight minutes,
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  Speaker 3: the Knicks were were by far the better team because
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  Speaker 3: they won the series in five games. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that Victor Winbayama showed the New York Knicks anywhere close
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  Speaker 3: to the respect that he showed the the Oklahoma City Thunder,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought the Knicks had a real chance to
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  Speaker 3: win the series. I always thought that they had a
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  Speaker 3: chance to beat either the Thunder or the Firs, but
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  Speaker 3: I thought they had a real chance to win the series.
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  Speaker 3: The minute that the Spurs won the Thunder series and
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  Speaker 3: Victor win Biama was on national TV, you know, basically boohoo.
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  Speaker 4: And crying real tears.
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  Speaker 3: And my first thought when I saw that, and I
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  Speaker 3: saw that celebration, you know, because you're allowed to celebration
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  Speaker 3: when you get to the NBA Finals, But when I
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  Speaker 3: saw you know, the tears and in the hugging and
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  Speaker 3: we did it and all of that stuff, my first
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  Speaker 3: was My first reaction was do these guys and does
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  Speaker 3: Victor win Biama know that they have another series to play?
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  Speaker 3: And that's when I realized that the Knicks had a
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  Speaker 3: real chance to win that series. And they didn't approach
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  Speaker 3: the Knicks with the appropriate level of fear, the appropriate
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  Speaker 3: level of respect. I think there were always basketball players
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  Speaker 3: the football players. I think coaches always preached to us
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  Speaker 3: you got to have an appropriate level of fear for
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  Speaker 3: your opponent, and Victor win Biama did not have an
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  Speaker 3: appropriate level of fear, uh for you know, Carl Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Towns or Mitchell Robinson or anybody on that next team.
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  Speaker 4: And the next took it to him for five games.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, the next level in
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  Speaker 3: his step for maturation is to have that appropriate level
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  Speaker 3: for fear of fear and to know that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: then to know that a championship is not one according
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  Speaker 3: to Twitter or according to social media or according to
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  Speaker 3: the betting to the betting sites, championship for one on
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  Speaker 3: the court. And I think that uh, if if if
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  Speaker 3: Victor win, Biama realizes that and goes into next season,
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  Speaker 3: uh and beyond with that mindset, uh, then he's going
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  Speaker 3: to be that much closer to winning a championship uh
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  Speaker 3: than he was this year.
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  Speaker 1: Where do Donovan, Mitchell and Coco Jones rank in the
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  Speaker 1: NBA Power couple stratosphere?
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  Speaker 3: I would say pretty high because Donovan.
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  Speaker 4: Did really well for himself. Coco Jones because that is a.
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  Speaker 3: That is a very nice young woman that he married,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, and I think that he chose well
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  Speaker 3: and you know, and you know this is this has
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  Speaker 3: been headed heading that way for for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was one of those things where where
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  Speaker 3: Donovan was smitten by her really early and just kind
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  Speaker 3: of shut it all down and said, this is the
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  Speaker 3: woman that I that I that I'm going to marry.
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  Speaker 3: And and obviously, you know, from from Coco's perspective, Donovan
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  Speaker 3: is one of the the best players in the league,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, one of the best shooting guards in
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  Speaker 3: the league. And I think that, uh, she did well
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  Speaker 3: for herself as well.
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  Speaker 1: I asked Gord this earlier how players getting married changes
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  Speaker 1: their basketball And obviously that's a broad spectrum. But for
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  Speaker 1: somebody like Donovan, who you're pretty familiar with, uh, the
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  Speaker 1: will there be any effect on how he actually plays
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  Speaker 1: or the way he conducts his his offseason life in
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  Speaker 1: a meaningful way that we'll notice on court.
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  Speaker 3: No, not at all. I think that you know, Donovan
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  Speaker 3: is is he's always been a worker, and he's always
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  Speaker 3: been you know, somebody who's who's continue to evolve as
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  Speaker 3: a basketball player and continue to evolve his skill level.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think that he's going to continue
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  Speaker 3: to do that, you know, and the most thing for
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  Speaker 3: him is that you know, he wants to win the championship.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I ask him I said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how long do you think that you're going
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  Speaker 3: to play ass in this last year? And he said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it depends on if I win one. If
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  Speaker 3: I win one, you know, I could be done, you know,
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  Speaker 3: about thirty five, thirty six years old. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: if I don't win one, I gotta play and I
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  Speaker 3: gotta I gotta find a way to win one. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think that Donovan is is driven by
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  Speaker 3: success and he's he's driven by competition, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that none of those are gonna change, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: because he got married.
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  Speaker 1: How are you feeling about your commanders?
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  Speaker 4: Not? Good man?
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  Speaker 3: You know, our number two wide receiver is Luke McCaffrey
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  Speaker 3: at the moment. So you know, all apology to Luke
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  Speaker 3: McCaffrey because you know, I'm sure he's a great young man.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, but he's a number four best.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, the same issues that you know, the
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  Speaker 3: same issues that we ended the season with with with
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  Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, are the same issues that that we have
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  Speaker 3: right now as the season is is starting up. I
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  Speaker 3: do really like Sonny style, but I really wanted Tyson.
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  Speaker 3: I really wanted us to draft Tyson because you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just thought that we really needed number one, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think that I thought that Terry McLaurin
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: would be better served being number two. And he's still
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: a number one. And I love Grry Terry as much
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: as the next person, but you know, I think he's
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: a high end two rather than one. And we need
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: to get we need we need to get we need
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: to get our quarterback a number one.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Well, at least you're not as old as my San
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers right now.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: So we all got our own problems.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, y'all lost Ricky Pierce off for the year.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: His body is not made for professional football. Unfortunately, he
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: was on.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: My fantasy team and he was incredible for the one
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: week he was healthy.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: We got Devo back. Though we got Devo.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Back, leve Luke maccaffery is better than Devo, So all right,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I think, by the way, I think he ate another
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: donut just now.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: That's fat shaving and we don't support that kind of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: behavior here on the Sean O'Connell show. Tony, all right,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: thanks for your time, Thanks for your time, my friend,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate you.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Man I appreciate you guys.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Tony Jones with the fat jokes for my guy Deebo Samuel. Yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Tony obviously working for the Athletic down Philly, and uh,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: he'll be covering a lot of Lebron James and what
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: that super team in Philadelphia tries to do.