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The Clancy Contagion · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: 11 jurors were ready to find Lindsay Clancy not criminally
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Speaker 1: responsible for the deaths of her three children. One brave
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Speaker 1: man stood in the way. This morning on Fox, he
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Speaker 1: gave his first TV interview.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 3: There were moments that were tense. There were moments that
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Speaker 3: were tense as we were deliberating.
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Speaker 4: Did you have reasonable doubt?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: Your attorney said you had a mountain of evidence. What
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Speaker 2: was your evidence?
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Speaker 3: Well, definitely, I had a lot of evidence to back
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Speaker 3: up my claim. But because out of respect of the
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Speaker 3: other jurors and the court system, I will put that
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Speaker 3: to sleep for now.
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Speaker 2: He says a lot of evidence behind his vote.
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Speaker 1: He says she was methodical in the execution of her children.
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Speaker 1: On her husband's 911 call, hearing the pain in his voice,
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Speaker 1: hearing the desperation from that clip, says it was surreal.
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Speaker 2: Now, he has a 5-year-old daughter of his own. Prosecutors
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Speaker 2: say Clancy sent her husband.
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Speaker 1: Out for the kids' medicine and food. And after looking
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Speaker 1: up how long the trip would take, they say she
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Speaker 1: strangled her children, ages 5, 3, and 8 months old,
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Speaker 1: with exercise bands while he was gone.
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Speaker 2: She then jumped from the window.
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Speaker 1: 11 to 1. For six days, he was the only
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Speaker 1: juror who believed she was criminally responsible, at least the
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Speaker 1: only juror they didn't cave to the people who thought
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Speaker 1: she wasn't criminally responsible. And the jury was deadlocked. Clancy's
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Speaker 1: lawyer asked the judge to throw him off. Judge said no.
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Speaker 1: Then the foreperson went public and said he'd admitted to
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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 2: He says that's not true. He never admitted to that.
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Speaker 1: Another juror complained he had the hardest time getting off
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Speaker 1: the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: kind of the whole point, right? He couldn't get past
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Speaker 1: the three dead children. And neither could most of America.
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Speaker 1: And for that, he was doxxed.
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Speaker 2: Look. When did you realize that your identity had been compromised?
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Speaker 3: My identity, I realized this pretty much the day after
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Speaker 3: the mistrial. So, the following day, there were journalists in
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Speaker 3: my door.
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Speaker 2: Do you feel that Kevin Reddington put a target on
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Speaker 2: your back?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 6: And there was so much media that, at one point,
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Speaker 6: police had to escort one of your family members into
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Speaker 6: the home?
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Speaker 3: Yes, they had to escort my fiancée in and out
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Speaker 3: of the house.
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Speaker 2: He says death threats followed.
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Speaker 1: Reporters went digging through his court records and published what
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Speaker 1: they found. Clancy's lawyer asked the court to investigate him.
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Speaker 1: And he told Fox it scared him. His attorney says
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Speaker 1: he's been moved to an undisclosed location. All of that
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Speaker 1: because one man refused.
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Speaker 2: To go along.
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Speaker 1: 11 people put Lindsay Clancy's story ahead of justice for
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Speaker 1: three children, and he is the one who had to
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Speaker 1: go into hiding, not the woman who killed her kids.
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Speaker 1: Look at what's happened since. September 1st, while that jury
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Speaker 1: was deliberating, a two-year-old boy was found hanging in his
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Speaker 1: family's basement in Frankfort, Illinois.
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Speaker 2: His mother is charged with murder.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say she had become very invested in the Lindsay
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Speaker 1: Clancy murder trial. September 26th, South Carolina, deputies say a
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Speaker 1: mother attacked her 3-year-old and 6-year-old with a knife and
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Speaker 1: blunt objects. Prosecutors say the 6-year-old might lose an arm.
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Speaker 1: Thank God she survived. September 29th, Houston police say a
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Speaker 1: mother shot her 4-year-old daughter, then herself, hours after a
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Speaker 1: judge gave the girl's father custody. October 6th, North Texas,
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Speaker 1: police say a mother stabbed her 3-year-old daughter and 10-month-old
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Speaker 1: son in the chest. And now, just this Monday afternoon
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Speaker 1: at the Great Wolf Lodge in the Poconos, the indoor
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Speaker 1: water park resort plenty of you have taken your kids to,
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Speaker 1: police found a man and his three-year-old son dead in
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Speaker 1: their room.
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Speaker 2: Both were stabbed in the chest.
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Speaker 1: Police have charged the boy's mother with two counts of
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Speaker 1: criminal homicide. According to the affidavit, she called 911 and said,
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Speaker 1: I'm too weak to stab my own neck.
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Speaker 2: I need police.
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Speaker 1: She told paramedics it wasn't supposed to end like this
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Speaker 1: Five mothers in six weeks, maybe more. Lindsay Clancy could
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Speaker 1: face a new trial. She's back in court November 2nd,
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Speaker 1: and her fate will be decided yet again. This man,
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Speaker 1: this lone juror, may have saved the lives of countless
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Speaker 1: children by stopping Lindsay Clancy from avoiding liability. NOW IS
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Speaker 1: KEVIN SMITH, HOST OF THE NOW IS KEVIN SMITH, HOST
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Speaker 1: OF THE LOUD MAJORITY LIVE. WE HAVE BEEN COVERING THIS
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Speaker 1: STORY AND EVERY DAY IT SEEMS LIKE MY And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: are you serious? And then you see what they did
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Speaker 1: to this lone juror. The fact that he even has
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Speaker 1: this title, the lone juror, is a crime in and
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Speaker 1: of itself. This guy just listened to the facts and
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Speaker 1: he did the right thing facing a mob of women
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Speaker 1: who thought what Lindsey Clancy did was just fine.
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Speaker 2: Kevin, what do you make of the interview?
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Speaker 7: I mean, truthfully, I feel awful for this guy. He
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Speaker 7: stood up for what he believed in and he stood
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Speaker 7: up for the fact that he heard. And then, of course,
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Speaker 7: he was chastised by a bunch of old liberal white
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Speaker 7: women who, I was told, weren't allowed to question a
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Speaker 7: young person of color. Obviously, you're not allowed to do
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Speaker 7: that in the victimhood ladder, in the oppression Olympics. These
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Speaker 7: white ladies actually should have sided with him. in this, uh,
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Speaker 7: because obviously he knows better, but no, it's, it's, it's troubling. The,
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Speaker 7: the amount of stories that have come out in the
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Speaker 7: last couple of weeks about mothers doing these sorts of things.
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Speaker 7: The great wolf lodge one is horrifying. There was another one, um,
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Speaker 7: about a woman who didn't want to give custody of
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Speaker 7: her child up.
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Speaker 2: To, uh, their father. So, so she, she killed them.
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Speaker 7: It's, it's, it's bad. Um, and when these things get
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Speaker 7: national attention like that, there are undoubtedly copycats and, and,
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Speaker 7: I don't know what to make of it. I mean,
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Speaker 7: if you, if you are a mother who kills your child,
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Speaker 7: there is no, there is no lower pit of hell.
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Speaker 2: You ought to be it. I mean, murder is wrong.
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Speaker 2: And obviously it's.
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Speaker 7: Tragic whenever it happens, but if you take the life
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Speaker 7: of the person that you're supposed to be most protective of,
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Speaker 7: I don't know how we as a culture come back
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Speaker 7: from that.
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Speaker 2: Sort of thing. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the way she killed Lindsay Clancy's case, the
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Speaker 1: way she killed her kids, as methodical as it was,
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Speaker 1: and the fact that she sent her husband out.
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Speaker 2: I mean, all of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody watching that trial, all reasonable people, looked
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Speaker 1: at that and said, oh yeah, this is bad. And
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Speaker 1: then you have these THESE WOMEN ON THE JURY, AND
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Speaker 1: WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THEM AFTER GO ON TV, THEY
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Speaker 1: LOOK LIKE YOU'D IMAGINE THEY'D LOOK.
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Speaker 2: THEY SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU'D IMAGINE THEY'D SAY.
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Speaker 1: AND AMONGST ALL OF THAT, YOU HAVE THIS ONE GUY,
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Speaker 1: AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT HIS LIFE WAS LIKE FOR
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Speaker 1: THOSE DAYS OF DELIBERATION. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THESE WOMEN
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Speaker 1: WERE SAYING TO HIM, THE ANGER AND THE HATE THAT
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Speaker 1: I'M SURE WAS DIRECTED AT HIM. AND HE STOOD WITH
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Speaker 1: HIS CHEST OUT AND SAID, I'M DOING WHAT'S RIGHT. BUT
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Speaker 1: I CAN TELL YOU THIS. that people have for Lindsay Clancy,
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Speaker 1: and then whether they're copycats or not, it really does
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Speaker 1: talk about sort of a moral boundary in this country
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Speaker 1: where you can excuse the murderer because you feel bad
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Speaker 1: for her, especially if it's a woman. If this is
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Speaker 1: a guy, this case would have been over way sooner.
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Speaker 1: He would have been in jail for the rest of
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Speaker 1: his life. And then you have all these videos on
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Speaker 1: TikTok of all these mothers, oh, same, Lindsay.
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Speaker 2: I hear you, Lindsay. We're all Lindsay.
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Speaker 1: You know, like, it's ridiculous, and I can't, Look, I'm
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Speaker 1: a guy, but I can't square what the supporters of
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy and what Lindsay Clancy did with any morality whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: I have no sympathy for her. And hopefully justice is served. Yeah, no.
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Speaker 7: And look, I know a few people who have felt
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Speaker 7: that sort of sympathy for Lindsay Clancy and I said
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Speaker 7: to them, I said, look, do we address health care
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Speaker 7: correctly in this country?
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 7: Do we over medicate people with more and more with
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Speaker 7: higher and higher dosages.
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Speaker 2: Of stronger and stronger drugs? Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: Is postpartum psychosis a thing?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: You are correct on every single one of those fronts.
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Speaker 7: She still killed her kids.
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Speaker 2: And this is when you are on a jury.
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Speaker 7: You are not there to make some sort of moral
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Speaker 7: stance about how we handle health care for new mothers.
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Speaker 7: If you want to do that, run for Congress. It
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Speaker 7: is not your job on a jury to do that
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Speaker 7: sort of thing. And it's so ironic to me.
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Speaker 5: Because I guarantee you, if you made a Venn diagram
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Speaker 5: of people, there is a direct correlation between people who
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Speaker 5: feel bad for Lizzie Clancy, think she should get off,
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Speaker 5: are mad at Sidney Sweeney and are tweeting.
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Speaker 2: Out, I am Jane Doe in, in, in relation to Cornell,
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Speaker 2: to the Cornell scandal.
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Speaker 7: It is like, we excuse the worst possible things. And
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Speaker 7: then we justify something that like with the Sidney Sweeney ad.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 7: You got a problem with her not wearing a lot
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Speaker 7: of clothes.
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Speaker 2: Okay. I got to know.
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Speaker 7: But, like, if the outrage about the Sidney.
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Speaker 5: Sweeney ad were the outrage for the Lindsay Clancy case, maybe.
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Speaker 7: That would be a sign of a healthier society, but
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Speaker 7: it just isn't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, and really that's what it boils down
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Speaker 1: to is– How narcissistic do people have to be to
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Speaker 1: not only murder their kids because, oh, poor me, but
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Speaker 1: to then support those people because they just can relate,
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Speaker 1: because it's just so hard being a mother. Look, this
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Speaker 1: lady needs to go to jail every, any person, not
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Speaker 1: just women. any person who kills a child should go
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Speaker 1: to jail. There is very few excuses.
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Speaker 2: For any of it. I don't care how crazy you are.
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Speaker 1: I could be overcome with the most insane craziness, and
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Speaker 1: I still wouldn't be able to do what Lindsay Clancy
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Speaker 1: and some of these other mothers did. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: most people watching agree. Kevin Smith, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being here, as always. And, yeah, let's hope that
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Speaker 1: this disturbing trend slows down very quickly.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Of course.
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Speaker 1: Coming up, Steve Hilton went to MacArthur Park in L.A.
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Speaker 1: to show what Democrats have done to that city. And
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Speaker 1: then a homeless man goes wandering in right behind him
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Speaker 1: like it was on cue.
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Speaker 2: You got to see this.
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Speaker 1: And plus, there's a new report out showing that America
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Speaker 1: might have a spending problem, not just in government, because
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Speaker 1: half million dollar earners are saying they're living paycheck to
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Speaker 1: paycheck here. And a man was thrown from a roller
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Speaker 1: coaster at Six Flags over Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen this story?
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Speaker 1: It's raising a lot of questions about how safe roller
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Speaker 2: We're going to look into that tonight. Don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Steve Hilton, the former Fox News host
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Speaker 1: running for governor of California as a Republican, held a
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Speaker 1: press conference in MacArthur Park to talk about what Democrats
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Speaker 1: have done to Los Angeles. While he was talking, a
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Speaker 1: homeless man wandered right in behind him. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it was real or not, but it still happened.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 2: You're paying for the drugs for these people.
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Speaker 10: You'll hear from John Alley in a moment.
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Speaker 4: Every day, taxpayer funded nonprofits showing up here, handing out
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Speaker 4: crack pipes, handing out needles, handing.
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Speaker 8: Out drugs that you pay for.
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Speaker 2: Wake up, California. Why should your tax money pay for
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Speaker 2: drugs for people who need help to get their lives
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Speaker 2: back on track? I mean, seriously, how perfect was that?
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Speaker 2: He's talking about it in the dude. Pants sagging, just
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Speaker 2: walks up, sits down in the shot. But he's right.
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Speaker 1: Needles on the ground, people asleep on the sidewalk. Hilton
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Speaker 1: called it a moral failure and a taxpayer-funded drug market.
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Speaker 1: He says he'd end the so-called harm reduction programs and
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Speaker 1: audit the homeless spending needs to be done. Steve Hilton
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Speaker 1: has found the perfect campaign. Democrats announced their plans at
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Speaker 1: podiums in Sacramento. Hilton holds his press conferences where those
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Speaker 1: plans ended up, and he just lets the cameras roll.
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Speaker 1: His opponent, Biden's former health secretary, Xavier Becerra, well, he
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Speaker 1: didn't show up at the LA Times candidate forum.
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Speaker 2: His campaign says he never agreed to it. How can
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Speaker 2: he defend his policies? Why would he agree? Hilton took
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Speaker 2: the questions alone. So is that the message?
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Speaker 1: Put Democrat failures in front of the cameras and let
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Speaker 1: the voters just see them for themselves?
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Speaker 2: I think it is.
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Speaker 1: Behind every Democrat promise is another homeless encampment, another addict
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Speaker 1: using in the middle of the street in broad daylight.
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Speaker 1: $ 24 billion, that's what California has spent on homelessness in
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Speaker 1: five years. The state's own auditor found the council in
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Speaker 1: charge hadn't tracked the spending or the results since 2021.
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Speaker 2: Look at MacArthur Park.
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Speaker 1: Two years ago, voters got so fed up with the
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Speaker 1: theft and the drugs that they passed Prop 36 in
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Speaker 1: a landslide, making some shoplifting and drug crimes felonies again.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe they even took it off of the
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Speaker 1: list to begin with. Gavin Newsom, well, of course, he
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Speaker 1: opposed it. And Democrats gave this country four years of
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Speaker 1: open borders. And it's not just California and Oregon. Voters
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Speaker 1: decriminalized hard drugs in 2020. Overdoses climbed. AND IN 2024,
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Speaker 1: THE DEMOCRAT-RUN LEGISLATURE BROUGHT THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES BACK. NOW, NAFISA FAYE,
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Speaker 1: A WASHINGTON COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN A RUNOFF FOR COUNTY CHAIR,
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Speaker 1: SAYS THE COUNTY MUST UPHOLD OREGON'S SANCTUARY LAW. IN A
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Speaker 1: CAMPAIGN VIDEO TRENDING ON X TODAY, SHE'S SPEAKING SOMALI WITH
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Speaker 1: THE AMERICAN FLAG UPSIDE DOWN BEHIND HER.
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Speaker 2: TAKE A LOOK.
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Speaker 8: THIS IS.
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Speaker 2: IN AMERICA.
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Speaker 1: IN MINNESOTA, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS CALLED THE FEEDING OUR FUTURE CASE
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Speaker 1: THE SINGLE LARGEST COVID FRAUD SCHEME IN THE COUNTRY. A
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Speaker 1: TOP FEDERAL PROSECUTOR ESTIMATED MEDICAID FRAUD THERE MAY HAVE COST
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Speaker 1: TAXPAYERS AS MUCH AS $ 9 BILLION. In January, he dropped
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Speaker 1: his bid for a third term as governor. And look
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Speaker 1: who they're running. In Minnesota, the Democrat running to replace Waltz,
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Speaker 1: Amy Klobuchar, has resurfaced in a 2017 video when she
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Speaker 1: did the Somali rally using Somali language and waving an
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Speaker 1: upside-down American flag herself. In Michigan, the Democrat running for Senate,
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Speaker 1: Abdul Mohammed El-Saeed, was caught on video calling himself a
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Speaker 1: dual citizen of Egypt.
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Speaker 2: His campaign says, oh, no, he never was.
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Speaker 1: His own sister wrote, my family has long been Muslim brotherhood.
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Speaker 1: And a report says his birth mother worked for a
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Speaker 1: charity the Treasury Department designated in 2004 for supporting terrorism,
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Speaker 1: including support.
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Speaker 2: For Osama bin Laden in Hamas. This is the Democrat Party.
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Speaker 1: And these are the outcomes of the Democrat Party's policies.
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Speaker 2: Remember that come November.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now, Los Angeles Attorney Chair of Jewish Engagement
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Speaker 1: for the California Republican Party, Elizabeth Barcojana. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: David Pollak Prime Time. I mean, we don't even have
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Speaker 1: to do a campaign ad. All we have to do
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Speaker 1: is put a camera in every blue city in America
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Speaker 1: and people can see for themselves what Democrat leadership does, right?
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Speaker 10: Yes, David, thank you for having me today. I'm so
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Speaker 10: glad that you have drawn the connection between Los Angeles, California,
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Speaker 10: and what's going on in the rest of the nation,
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Speaker 10: because what gets incubated here eventually gets exported out to
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Speaker 10: the rest of the country. And those visuals behind Steve
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Speaker 10: Hilton at MacArthur Park, to us in LA, we've largely
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Speaker 10: become desensitized to it because we see it every single day,
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Speaker 10: and we've been seeing it for years. A lot of,
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Speaker 10: so Javier Becerra is the candidate for governor, but he,
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Speaker 10: you know, he's been in politics a really long time.
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Speaker 10: He's just been forgettable. You know, the most memorable thing
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Speaker 10: that voters remember about him is that gaffe when President
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Speaker 10: Biden announced that he was going to be Secretary of
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Speaker 10: Human Health Services, and he called him Javier Baccaria. He
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Speaker 10: couldn't pronounce his name. That is like the most memorable thing.
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Speaker 10: That is the most memorable thing about him. But we
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Speaker 10: in California actually do remember in 2018 when he was
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Speaker 10: attorney general, and he was the one who got started
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Speaker 10: these drug house, these safe houses, they called them. It
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Speaker 10: would be safe injection sites for drug users to come
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Speaker 10: and do drugs. They would bring their drugs and they
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Speaker 10: would be provided drug paraphernalia in these safe houses provided
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Speaker 10: by taxpayer money. All of this was illegal, by the way,
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Speaker 10: but it's part of their harm reduction policy. where they
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Speaker 10: basically keep people addicted to drugs, but just short of
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Speaker 10: the point of overdosing. Of course, they still do overdose
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Speaker 10: and die as a result of this policy. It's a deadly,
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Speaker 10: fatal one. And it's very upsetting for a parent because
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Speaker 10: we hear lots of stories of parents who are desperate
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Speaker 10: to get their adult children off drugs because they're living
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Speaker 10: on the streets. And the government is keeping them addicted
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Speaker 10: and preventing them from getting the help that they need.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that you draw that parallel between
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Speaker 1: what you see in California, what they're trying to do,
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Speaker 1: and the rest of the country. I'm from Florida, and
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Speaker 1: Florida is run properly. We have Republican leadership. And the
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Speaker 1: results speak for themselves. You don't see homeless people walking
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Speaker 1: around the public parks in Florida. You don't see people
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Speaker 1: using drugs in open air in Florida.
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Speaker 2: The roads don't have giant potholes in them in Florida.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can go on and on and on
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Speaker 1: about all the things that Florida does better than California.
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Speaker 1: And I can tell you, as somebody who's from Florida
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Speaker 1: came to California, it immediately became apparent to me how
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Speaker 1: much homelessness there was, how many people sleeping in their
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Speaker 1: cars there were, how bad the roads were, how RUNDOWN
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Speaker 1: EVERYTHING IS. THIS IS LIKE THE SEVENTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN
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Speaker 1: THE WORLD, AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE RUNDOWN STATE UNDER
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Speaker 1: DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP.
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Speaker 2: AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FROM PLACES LIKE CALIFORNIA,
20:01
Speaker 2: YOU REALLY DON'T SEE HOW BAD IT IS. IT JUST
20:05
Speaker 2: BECOMES NORMAL FOR YOU.
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Speaker 1: AND YOU ALWAYS SAY THINGS LIKE YOU LOOK AT CUBA,
20:08
Speaker 1: HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT WANT TO FIGHT OFF THEIR GOVERNMENT
20:10
Speaker 1: WHEN THEY LIVE IN CUBA?
20:11
Speaker 2: BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER.
20:13
Speaker 1: THE PEOPLE IN THESE BLUE STATES HAVE LIVED SO MISERABLY
20:15
Speaker 1: UNDER DECADES OF DEMOCRAT RULE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW
20:19
Speaker 1: MUCH BETTER IT COULD BE IF A DEMOCRAT WASN'T IN CHARGE, RIGHT?
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Speaker 10: THAT'S RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU BECOME DESENSITIZED. IT
20:27
Speaker 10: BECOMES NORMALIZED. SO THE PEOPLE, THE ENCAMPMENTS LIVING ON THE STREET,
20:30
Speaker 10: THE They don't intend to actually help them. And enforcing
20:39
Speaker 10: the law for people who are addicted to drugs, have
20:44
Speaker 10: severe mental illness as a result, and refuse to go
20:48
Speaker 10: into the housing programs that we have, those people need
20:52
Speaker 10: to go to jail. And the choice eventually needs to
20:56
Speaker 10: be forced to either get treatment and get clean or
21:01
Speaker 10: you know, go to jail and suffer the consequences of
21:03
Speaker 10: illegal conduct. And the left, you know, calls that a
21:08
Speaker 10: crime of poverty, that we are criminalizing homelessness, that it's
21:12
Speaker 10: a lack of compassion, when in reality, their policies are
21:16
Speaker 10: killing people.
21:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is.
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Speaker 1: The lack of compassion is allowing the fraud to continue
21:22
Speaker 1: in the tunes of billions of dollars while the people
21:24
Speaker 1: who actually need those benefits are suffering. And that is
21:27
Speaker 1: the lack of compassion. But, of course, we want to
21:29
Speaker 1: do something about it. Republicans want to do something about
21:31
Speaker 1: it so we don't have the compassion. Hopefully people will
21:35
Speaker 1: see press conferences like Hilton put together, that they see
21:38
Speaker 1: what's going on in these blue states, and they think
21:41
Speaker 1: long and hard about, about voting for a Democrat in
21:45
Speaker 1: the important midterm elections coming up. Thank you so much
21:47
Speaker 1: for being here as always. Great takes as always. And
21:49
Speaker 1: thank you for keep fighting in California.
21:51
Speaker 10: Thanks, David.
21:54
Speaker 1: 80% of the top earners in a new Goldman Sachs
21:58
Speaker 1: survey say they've put off a major financial goal, nearly
22:02
Speaker 1: half pay, only the minimum on their credit cards. Do
22:05
Speaker 1: we have a spending problem in America versus an affordability problem?
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Speaker 1: America might have a paycheck problem, but it's not single
22:58
Speaker 1: parents working two jobs.
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Speaker 2: And struggling to feed kids. That's not what we're talking about.
23:03
Speaker 1: A survey by Goldman Sachs finds a shocking number, more
23:07
Speaker 1: than a third of Americans making more than $ 500, 000 a year,
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Speaker 1: half a million bucks, say they still live paycheck to paycheck.
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Speaker 1: Among households under 50,000, that number skyrockets to over 60%.
23:24
Speaker 2: Haper, the economy looks fine. Unemployment is 4.2%.
23:28
Speaker 1: Median household income hit a record, 87,460 last year. But
23:33
Speaker 1: consumer prices, well, those are still up roughly 22% in
23:36
Speaker 1: five years. And gasoline, well, we know what's going on
23:38
Speaker 1: with gasoline, right? But incomes are rising and costs are rising.
23:43
Speaker 1: And now what's happening because of all this? The share
23:45
Speaker 1: of workers increasing their retirement savings fell from 55% to
23:50
Speaker 1: 39% in a year, the biggest drop since 2020. 80%
23:54
Speaker 1: of top earners say they've delayed a major financial goal.
23:58
Speaker 1: Nearly half of them pay only the minimum on their
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Speaker 1: credit cards, almost exactly like the lowest earners.
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Speaker 2: And that's a danger. Spending is holding the economy up.
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Speaker 1: And much of it comes from households with no cushion,
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Speaker 1: according to the U.S.
24:12
Speaker 2: Bureau of Economic Analysis.
24:14
Speaker 1: Every area of consumer spending increased in August except one, recreation.
24:19
Speaker 1: When costs keep outrunning paychecks, delayed savings turn into delayed homes,
24:24
Speaker 1: delayed families, delayed retirements. I mean, now he's the host
24:28
Speaker 1: of What's Bugging Me podcast. Dennis Neal, what do you
24:32
Speaker 1: make of America's spending problems when people making half a
24:35
Speaker 1: million bucks a year still can't afford stuff? I don't
24:38
Speaker 1: know if at that point that things are too expensive
24:39
Speaker 1: other than people just can't save, right?
24:43
Speaker 4: You know, we can say we can clutch our pearls
24:46
Speaker 4: and say what was me and blame inflation. The fact
24:49
Speaker 4: is that any couple making $ 500, 000, they do not have
24:53
Speaker 4: to live paycheck to paycheck. That is their choice. They
24:57
Speaker 4: are spoiled. We live a very rich lifestyle even at
25:02
Speaker 4: the lower levels of our earnings. We have giant flat
25:06
Speaker 4: screen TVs. We order $ 20 burritos delivered to our doorstep
25:12
Speaker 4: instead of having something frozen and cooking it at home
25:16
Speaker 4: for two bucks. We take Ubers everywhere. when we could drive.
25:21
Speaker 4: I mean, there's all kinds of spending that we do now.
25:24
Speaker 4: You've probably seen this on X where someone say way
25:26
Speaker 4: back when we didn't have this, this and this and
25:28
Speaker 4: all these, but that's a choice. And spending is the
25:32
Speaker 4: enemy of investing. Man, when you spend it, it's gone forever.
25:37
Speaker 2: And yet.
25:38
Speaker 4: I mean, I watch reality television, David.
25:40
Speaker 2: Love it. Okay.
25:41
Speaker 4: And you see there's these housewives in Missouri who are
25:44
Speaker 4: on OnlyFans and they're earning money like crazy. And this gal,
25:47
Speaker 4: she bought three cars.
25:49
Speaker 2: Okay.
25:50
Speaker 4: Bad idea.
25:52
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about it this morning. I
25:55
Speaker 1: don't know if you've been on the ride Carousel of Progress.
25:57
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite rides at Walt Disney World
25:59
Speaker 1: in Orlando. It's just It's this carousel that takes you
26:02
Speaker 1: from the time of before electricity, or when electricity was
26:05
Speaker 1: just invented, they didn't have washing machines, and they go
26:09
Speaker 1: through progress over time. And she's like, well, now it
26:11
Speaker 1: only takes me three hours to do laundry. And so
26:14
Speaker 1: with each scene, they kind of go through how progress.
26:16
Speaker 2: Has changed things. And you get to the last scene.
26:19
Speaker 1: Right at the beginning, they're in this little shack with
26:22
Speaker 1: wires and barely any electricity and a refrigerator that's an icebox.
26:25
Speaker 1: And then you get to the last scene, and they're
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Speaker 1: in this giant home IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE BUSINESS.
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Speaker 1: IT'S ABOUT THE BUSINESS. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TODAY
26:34
Speaker 1: PREPARING FOR THIS SEGMENT AND I WAS THINKING THAT, MAN,
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Speaker 1: IF PEOPLE JUST LIVED LIKE THEY DID BEFORE THEY HAD
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Speaker 1: ALL THIS STUFF TO BUY, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT WE'RE
26:44
Speaker 1: ALWAYS TRYING TO CHASE THE LATEST THING TO BUY. And
26:53
Speaker 1: we're spending ourselves and entitling ourselves beyond our paycheck can
26:58
Speaker 1: ever keep up with. And I think that's half the problem,
27:01
Speaker 1: is that everybody wants something new all the time.
27:03
Speaker 4: And trillion-dollar businesses have been built on this obsession with
27:09
Speaker 4: the fear of missing out and the latest everything. You
27:12
Speaker 4: don't need to upgrade to a $ 1, 500 next Apple iPhone.
27:16
Speaker 4: The phone you have is fine. And there's examples like
27:20
Speaker 4: that across the entire economy. You know, and yet there
27:24
Speaker 4: is a parallel here, David, between the U.S. government and
27:27
Speaker 4: the Congress and how it spends. and how American family spends.
27:31
Speaker 4: We're $ 40 trillion in debt, 120% of GDP. And there
27:37
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be any ending in sight. And we
27:41
Speaker 4: don't know where to cut. And if you dare try
27:43
Speaker 4: to cut, they have protests organized by one half of
27:47
Speaker 4: the liberal spectrum or the other. And the family is
27:51
Speaker 4: the same way. But you can make the personal decision, right?
27:55
Speaker 4: You can decide to cut back. You could decide to
27:58
Speaker 4: save and your life will be better for it.
28:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's really what it boils down to.
28:05
Speaker 1: And I get so many arguments with people on social
28:07
Speaker 1: media and they say I'm not sympathetic. And I am
28:09
Speaker 1: because I've had very little money for a lot of
28:12
Speaker 1: periods in life. And the thing is, you have people
28:15
Speaker 1: that are complaining about the prices of things. And they're
28:19
Speaker 1: equating that with affordability and suggesting, well, nothing's affordable because
28:23
Speaker 1: I can't afford it. And that's different than not being
28:26
Speaker 1: able to afford something because it's too expensive and it's
28:29
Speaker 1: a basic necessity. It's that it's sort of a spending entitlement.
28:32
Speaker 1: They want to be able to buy whatever they want.
28:35
Speaker 1: And if they can't, that's somebody else's fault. I think
28:38
Speaker 1: maybe people spent less. then they wouldn't be so upset
28:42
Speaker 1: about the things they can't buy, right?
28:45
Speaker 4: That is so absolutely true and wise. And you know
28:49
Speaker 4: what's happening is aren't we kind of filling some gap
28:52
Speaker 4: that's missing in our souls, in our center, okay? Some connection,
28:56
Speaker 4: something that's missing. Aren't we seeking to fill that with spending?
29:00
Speaker 4: I think that's a salve for a lot of people.
29:04
Speaker 4: And we've got to learn to make do with less.
29:07
Speaker 4: I have this book, The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk,
29:09
Speaker 4: 11 Lessons of Elon. Lesson two is reduce, reduce, reduce,
29:13
Speaker 4: cut back.
29:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's the key. We'd all like
29:18
Speaker 2: to have more money. We'd all like to buy more.
29:20
Speaker 1: But if you're making a half a million bucks a
29:22
Speaker 1: year and you're living paycheck to paycheck, that is not
29:24
Speaker 1: because of Trump's economy. That is a whole nother problem
29:27
Speaker 1: in and of itself. Dennis Neal, always a pleasure to
29:30
Speaker 1: have you on. Thank you for being here, my friend.
29:32
Speaker 4: Thank you for the opportunity.
29:33
Speaker 2: Of course.
29:35
Speaker 1: Still ahead, Six Flags has shut down several roller coasters.
29:40
Speaker 1: AFTER A DEATH ON MONDAY. A MAN LEFT THE ROLLER COASTER.
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29:47
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29:57
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29:59
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Speaker 1: Monday afternoon, a 42-year-old school employee from Atlanta was thrown
30:53
Speaker 1: from his seat on the Goliath roller coaster at Six
30:56
Speaker 1: Flags over Georgia. Police say he struck other guests and
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Speaker 1: landed below.
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Speaker 2: He died. Four other riders, all of them kids, were injured.
31:06
Speaker 2: I see him come up out of the seat, and,
31:08
Speaker 2: I mean, it.
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Speaker 1: You know, physics is crazy, but it looked like he
31:15
Speaker 1: was hovering because the car was moving underneath him. And
31:18
Speaker 1: then he came back down into a different car than
31:21
Speaker 1: the one he came out of, and he came down headfirst.
31:23
Speaker 1: Goliath roller coaster stands 200 feet tall and hits 70
31:27
Speaker 1: miles an hour. Georgia inspected it in March and reported
31:30
Speaker 1: no violations. State investigators and engineers are now at the
31:34
Speaker 1: park around the clock trying to figure out what happened.
31:37
Speaker 1: Six Flags has temporarily shut down that ride and nine
31:41
Speaker 1: similar coasters.
31:43
Speaker 2: So was it the ride? Was it the rider?
31:46
Speaker 1: Investigators have not released any results of their investigations yet,
31:51
Speaker 1: but witnesses say the lap bars were checked before the ride.
31:55
Speaker 1: Martin Lewison, a roller coaster expert at Farmingdale State College,
31:59
Speaker 1: says a mechanical failure on Goliath is hard to imagine.
32:02
Speaker 1: The lap bar has backup locks and the train can't
32:05
Speaker 1: leave the station until every seat shows green. Brian Avery,
32:10
Speaker 1: who studies ride safety at the University of Florida, told
32:13
Speaker 1: Newsweek a restraint can remain mechanically locked yet fail to
32:18
Speaker 1: provide effective containment. He says that happens when a rider's
32:21
Speaker 1: size or fit falls outside what the system can handle.
32:25
Speaker 1: Officials haven't said anything about this rider's size or even
32:30
Speaker 1: mentioned whether or not it was a factor. 383 pounds,
32:34
Speaker 1: that's what a 14-year-old from Missouri weighed, according to his autopsy,
32:38
Speaker 1: when he boarded The Orlando freefall dropped tower in 2022.
32:43
Speaker 1: The manufacturer's limit was 286 pounds. Florida's investigation found no
32:48
Speaker 1: mechanical failure. The sensors on his seat had been manually adjusted,
32:53
Speaker 1: so the safety lights stayed on.
32:55
Speaker 2: He fell to his death.
32:57
Speaker 1: In 2013, a 52-year-old woman slipped out of her seat
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Speaker 1: on the Texas Giant at Six Flags Over Texas and
33:03
Speaker 1: was killed, according to the police report.
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Speaker 2: An employee said her restraint was a little high.
33:08
Speaker 1: Not as tight as it should be, the control panel
33:11
Speaker 1: said she was secure. Both times, the restraints.
33:14
Speaker 2: Didn't fit the rider, and the system said go.
33:18
Speaker 1: After the Texas death, Six Flags added seatbelts and a
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Speaker 1: test seat at the entrance so you can check the fit.
33:24
Speaker 1: CNN went through five years of state records from three
33:27
Speaker 1: states and found hundreds of reports of injuries and dangerous
33:30
Speaker 1: malfunctions at Six Flags parks. A great adventure in New Jersey.
33:34
Speaker 1: Lap bars open mid-ride, sometimes because of broken bolts. Six
33:38
Speaker 1: Flags says it practices meet or exceed industry standards.
33:43
Speaker 2: 1.27. Think about that. 1.27.
33:47
Speaker 1: Here's a number that by the industry's count of injuries
33:51
Speaker 1: for every million roller coaster rides in 2024. About the
33:55
Speaker 1: same as five years earlier. So rides aren't getting more dangerous.
33:59
Speaker 1: Americans might be getting more. too big or maybe too small,
34:03
Speaker 1: the share of adults who are severely obese climb nearly
34:07
Speaker 1: one in 10. And the call on whether you fit
34:10
Speaker 1: often comes down to a worker at the gate. Brian
34:14
Speaker 1: Avery says the training on that is all over the map.
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Speaker 2: When you pull the bar.
34:19
Speaker 1: Down and someone in a six flag shirt pushes on it,
34:23
Speaker 1: somewhere on a control panel, your seat turns green and
34:27
Speaker 1: the train goes.
34:29
Speaker 2: Six Flags over Georgia reopens tomorrow. Goliath doesn't.
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Speaker 1: John King, the Georgia commissioner in charge of ride inspection,
34:38
Speaker 1: says we're not going to let a single person ride
34:41
Speaker 1: on this ride until we make sure it's safe. Joining
34:45
Speaker 1: me now, conservative commentator Greg is fire. Welcome back, David Paul.
34:50
Speaker 1: Prime time, my friend. So, look, is it the rider
34:53
Speaker 1: or is it the ride?
34:57
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's kind of funny. I grew up
34:58
Speaker 8: in Atlanta for like five years and we used to
35:00
Speaker 8: go to the Six Flags that's in question here. You know,
35:04
Speaker 8: I've become recently a universal pass holder. My family has
35:07
Speaker 8: been for five years. We go in Florida all the time,
35:09
Speaker 8: like literally all the time. We love the Velocicoaster, the
35:12
Speaker 8: new roller coasters. But it seems like when I go to,
35:16
Speaker 8: I went to Six Flags Dominion in Virginia last summer
35:19
Speaker 8: and there was some rides, I'm not going to lie,
35:21
Speaker 8: sorry Six Flags, that were very questionable. I was like,
35:24
Speaker 8: how do they even still operate these? So maybe some
35:27
Speaker 8: of the right technologies, but what I think about this
35:29
Speaker 8: roller coaster in question here, I believe it's a decently,
35:32
Speaker 8: you know, it's not such an old roller coaster, but
35:34
Speaker 8: when you go to somewhere like Universal and you see
35:36
Speaker 8: these people operating the way they're operating all as a team,
35:40
Speaker 8: the way the security looks so good, and then it
35:44
Speaker 8: just looks like everybody's on point together. I have to
35:46
Speaker 8: wonder to myself, does it have more to do with
35:48
Speaker 8: the fact that That maybe these people weren't properly trained.
35:52
Speaker 8: Maybe some of the, you know, the last minute little
35:55
Speaker 8: checks on some people maybe are slipping through the cracks
35:59
Speaker 8: because you have seen sometimes when you're at theme parks
36:01
Speaker 8: and there are some people that get into those chairs
36:03
Speaker 8: and doesn't look like it's going to work out. Are
36:05
Speaker 8: these people just clicking it down and just moving on
36:07
Speaker 8: because they're young or what's the deal?
36:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you a personal story.
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Speaker 1: I was, and this is true, at Six Flags Over Georgia,
36:15
Speaker 1: it was the Georgia Cyclone.
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Speaker 2: My dad used to take me on all these roller coasters.
36:19
Speaker 2: I remember that. You remember it?
36:20
Speaker 1: And I wanted to impress my dad and I'm like,
36:23
Speaker 1: I'll go on all of them, dad. And I liked
36:25
Speaker 1: the Georgia Cyclone because it had this cool drop at
36:27
Speaker 1: the beginning, but it wasn't that scary.
36:29
Speaker 2: Right, for a kid. I don't know how old I
36:31
Speaker 2: might have been, 11.
36:32
Speaker 1: And I was on the Georgia Cyclone and I'm going
36:34
Speaker 1: down that drop and I actually lifted up out of
36:36
Speaker 1: my seat. My foot caught the seat in front of
36:40
Speaker 1: me because the Georgia Cyclone for the audience, it was
36:42
Speaker 1: a wooden roller coaster with a lap bar. So it
36:44
Speaker 1: was very simple. It wasn't these sophisticated sort of roller
36:48
Speaker 1: coasters we have now. And I remember leaving the seat
36:50
Speaker 1: and my foot caught the seat in front of me
36:51
Speaker 1: when I got off. I was like, I almost fell off. And,
36:54
Speaker 1: you know, my brothers and sisters were like, yeah, yeah, whatever, David.
36:58
Speaker 1: And then you see that picture they take of you
37:00
Speaker 1: and you see only my chest.
37:02
Speaker 2: I was lifting out of the roller coaster.
37:04
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't fly out, but it always occurs to
37:07
Speaker 1: me every time I go on a roller coaster, am
37:09
Speaker 1: I stuck in this thing? And so I go through
37:10
Speaker 1: this process. I'm sure everyone does at home. Like they
37:13
Speaker 1: get into the roller coaster and they're like, OK, is
37:14
Speaker 1: this down?
37:15
Speaker 2: Is this down? And then they like click it on
37:17
Speaker 2: that next link. And they're like, oh, man, now it's
37:19
Speaker 2: too tight. And you're stuck until the whole roller coaster
37:21
Speaker 2: goes down. But but it's the same thing.
37:23
Speaker 1: I think everybody thinks and they see these stories is
37:26
Speaker 1: am I locked in here enough? And you do see
37:28
Speaker 1: the people walking over. And I love what you said, because,
37:31
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you see some people look real professionally like, OK, good.
37:34
Speaker 2: I trust this guy to check whether I'm secured.
37:37
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you see somebody, maybe their pants are
37:40
Speaker 1: kind of sagging and they walk up and they look
37:42
Speaker 1: and they kind of touch it. And then they're like
37:44
Speaker 1: and you're.
37:45
Speaker 9: Like, oh.
37:47
Speaker 2: I don't know if I really trust that thumbs up.
37:49
Speaker 2: And then you go.
37:50
Speaker 1: You don't know if it's a training issue. I guess
37:53
Speaker 1: the investigation will show that. But roller coasters inherently aren't
37:57
Speaker 1: that dangerous. There's so many safety features that go into it. So,
38:01
Speaker 1: I mean, do people really need to worry or should
38:03
Speaker 1: they maybe just take it upon themselves to make sure
38:06
Speaker 1: that it's more than a thumbs up, that they're pure locked,
38:08
Speaker 1: like they're truly locked in?
38:11
Speaker 8: Well, it's really sad that it happened to somebody like that.
38:14
Speaker 8: The kid got to see him fly out, and it's
38:17
Speaker 8: really unfortunate. I would never want this to happen to anybody.
38:19
Speaker 2: None of us would.
38:21
Speaker 8: I would say probably check your surroundings, look at the
38:23
Speaker 8: way the staff is operating. I would definitely double-check. I've
38:27
Speaker 8: been on rides at parks before where the seat thing
38:30
Speaker 8: started to come up in the middle of the ride.
38:31
Speaker 8: So I know that feeling where you feel like you're
38:33
Speaker 8: about to lose it. And apparently that's maybe what happened
38:36
Speaker 8: with this guy. It's so sad. But so certainly we're
38:40
Speaker 8: laughing about our childhoods and how much fun we had
38:42
Speaker 8: at Six Flags. These can be great places to go
38:45
Speaker 8: and take your kids. My kids go growing up to Universal.
38:48
Speaker 8: And we love it. But we definitely 100% always make
38:51
Speaker 8: sure that that click is there. We make sure that
38:53
Speaker 8: it looks like everybody's on the same page and we
38:55
Speaker 8: definitely don't get on a ride that looks like it
38:57
Speaker 8: shouldn't be operating. So I'd keep your eyes open for
38:59
Speaker 8: those types of, you know, warnings.
39:01
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:01
Speaker 1: Even though those are the fun ones, the ones you're
39:04
Speaker 1: not sure. But I mean, yeah, we don't make light
39:06
Speaker 1: of this death.
39:07
Speaker 2: It is tragic.
39:08
Speaker 1: The other thing I think about, too, though, are these
39:11
Speaker 1: rides designed with the full scope of body types and
39:14
Speaker 1: sizes in mind.
39:15
Speaker 2: You know, there was this there was a.
39:17
Speaker 1: A GUY FELL OFF A SWING. YOU KNOW, THIS GUY WAS,
39:19
Speaker 1: PEOPLE SAID HE WAS KIND OF A BIG GUY. THERE'S
39:22
Speaker 1: BEEN REPORTS OF PEOPLE BEING TOO SMALL FOR THEIR RESTRAINTS.
39:25
Speaker 1: YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE HEIGHT THING, BUT THEY DON'T
39:28
Speaker 1: REALLY weigh people before they get on these rides. They
39:30
Speaker 1: don't really check the minimum body width of people, you know,
39:34
Speaker 1: and maybe we need to start looking at other factors
39:36
Speaker 1: besides just the height to make sure that, you know,
39:40
Speaker 1: the ride is equipped to keep people on board, right?
39:44
Speaker 8: Definitely.
39:44
Speaker 9: Yeah.
39:44
Speaker 8: I mean, Did look like the guy was a little bigger.
39:47
Speaker 8: Like I said, I've seen, I've gotten into the carts
39:48
Speaker 8: before and seen people where, you know, Universal, for instance,
39:51
Speaker 8: like on the Hulk, if somebody, if they can't get
39:53
Speaker 8: that thing down and they have a seat with a
39:55
Speaker 8: double buckle, if that's not going down and it's, you know,
39:58
Speaker 8: they're not, they're moving on. The person's not able to
40:00
Speaker 8: ride the ride. It does make you wonder if some
40:03
Speaker 8: of these seats get, or if some of these parks
40:05
Speaker 8: have employees that are just trying to force it down
40:07
Speaker 8: and please the people there, you know, and unfortunately we
40:10
Speaker 8: don't want you to please us. to go on the
40:13
Speaker 8: ride tell us the truth you know that's what we
40:14
Speaker 8: want maybe we find out that it was the technology
40:17
Speaker 8: but at this point i think we just got to
40:19
Speaker 8: keep our eyes open on all signs and i think
40:21
Speaker 8: i hope the parks all operate in my honest opinion
40:23
Speaker 8: like universal take a tip from them the way that
40:26
Speaker 8: they do those coasters and the way they have those
40:28
Speaker 8: teams properly checking everything i always feel safe i never
40:31
Speaker 8: feel like i have any problems.
40:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I've been to a water park where you
40:35
Speaker 1: actually step on a scale. It doesn't tell you what
40:36
Speaker 1: your weight is, but you step on a scale before
40:38
Speaker 1: you get on. It's like a group water ride that
40:41
Speaker 1: you step on a scale and it goes.
40:42
Speaker 2: Either green or red. Yeah. So it either says green
40:45
Speaker 2: or red.
40:46
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to start looking at that, too, because
40:48
Speaker 1: if you're underweight or overweight, maybe it does a green
40:50
Speaker 1: or red.
40:50
Speaker 2: Maybe there's another safety check.
40:51
Speaker 1: It's for the lawyers. It's for the investigators. But look,
40:54
Speaker 1: I think we can conclude that. go and have fun
40:57
Speaker 1: on roller coasters. And this is, it's a rare and
41:00
Speaker 1: it's a sad and it's tragedy, but I don't think.
41:03
Speaker 2: This is the norm. And a lot of people go
41:04
Speaker 2: on roller coasters all the time and it's just, it's
41:06
Speaker 2: a tragedy. I appreciate you being here, my friend.
41:10
Speaker 9: Thanks, David.
41:11
Speaker 2: Always.
41:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:12
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
41:13
Speaker 1: Coming up, two-thirds of Americans in one study said chat
41:17
Speaker 1: GPT has some degree of consciousness. Microsoft's AI chief says
41:23
Speaker 1: there's nothing inside.
41:24
Speaker 2: It's just a chat bot.
41:25
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41:29
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Speaker 1: As AI gets more and more advanced and aware of
42:20
Speaker 1: its surroundings, at what point can we actually say it's conscious?
42:27
Speaker 1: Nearly 1,100 people just weighed in on that. They'll say
42:31
Speaker 1: a machine can be aware of what's going on around it,
42:34
Speaker 1: but in a new study, even the most responsive AI
42:38
Speaker 1: was judged to be less conscious than the least responsive human.
42:43
Speaker 1: Researchers at LMU Munich ran five experiments, all with people
42:47
Speaker 1: in Britain.
42:48
Speaker 2: They gave them short scenarios.
42:51
Speaker 1: In some, an AI reacted to sounds or to the
42:54
Speaker 1: emotions of the people around it. In others, a human
42:57
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing. Then the people rated on
43:01
Speaker 1: how aware each one was and how conscious it was.
43:06
Speaker 1: The lead researcher, Lewis Longin, calls it the first study
43:11
Speaker 1: to directly compare how people attribute the same mental states
43:16
Speaker 1: to AI in humans. It came out last month in
43:19
Speaker 1: the journal Cognition. Awareness tracked behavior for the machine and
43:24
Speaker 1: the human alike.
43:25
Speaker 2: Consciousness was a different story.
43:28
Speaker 1: Longin says people are quite willing to say that an
43:32
Speaker 1: AI notices things and is aware of its surroundings, but
43:36
Speaker 1: then they clearly draw a line when it comes to
43:39
Speaker 1: the term consciousness. And he says people consistently attribute less
43:44
Speaker 1: consciousness to to AI than humans, even when their behavior
43:47
Speaker 1: is identical. So why do we talk about AI like
43:51
Speaker 1: it has a mind, like it's real? Ophelia DeRoy, one
43:55
Speaker 1: of the senior researchers, says, we may be using mental
43:59
Speaker 1: terms to refer to AI, but this may only be
44:02
Speaker 1: because we lack better words. She adds, AI is trained
44:06
Speaker 1: to act and speak like a human, so these descriptions
44:09
Speaker 1: seem natural. When you say your phone knows what you want,
44:14
Speaker 1: That's the.
44:15
Speaker 2: Word you reach for. Two-thirds in a 2024 study.
44:20
Speaker 1: That's how many Americans said ChatGPT has some degree of consciousness.
44:24
Speaker 2: The more they used it, the more they believed it.
44:26
Speaker 1: One researcher, Clara Columbato of the University of Waterloo, said
44:31
Speaker 1: that for most of the general public, AI consciousness is
44:34
Speaker 1: already a reality. Her explanation is a conversation alone can
44:38
Speaker 1: lead us to think that an agent that looks and
44:41
Speaker 1: works very differently from us can have a mind. Last year,
44:45
Speaker 1: Microsoft's AI chief, Mustafa Suleiman, called treating AI as conscious.
44:51
Speaker 1: It's dangerous and warned it could push people to start
44:53
Speaker 1: demanding rights for AI. His words, there is nothing inside it.
44:58
Speaker 1: It is hollow and has no pain network. There is
45:01
Speaker 1: no emotional system. Part of the problem is that nobody
45:03
Speaker 1: agrees on what consciousness is.
45:06
Speaker 2: And that's the thing.
45:07
Speaker 1: A Florida Atlantic University professor told The Debrief's Chrissy Newton,
45:11
Speaker 1: who you guys know very well, that there's no universally
45:14
Speaker 1: accepted definition at all. Most of the people using it
45:17
Speaker 1: think something might be in there. The man running Microsoft's
45:22
Speaker 1: AI says there's nothing inside. So when can we say
45:26
Speaker 1: it's actually conscious? The study can't answer that. It measured
45:30
Speaker 1: what people believe, and they're still drawing the line at
45:33
Speaker 1: the word conscious. Joining me now for No Way with
45:37
Speaker 1: Chrissy Newton is Chrissy Newton, who wrote about this study
45:40
Speaker 1: for The Debrief.
45:41
Speaker 2: She hosts rebelliously curious podcasts as well. Chrissy, welcome back.
45:45
Speaker 1: So people think AI is conscious, but the people behind
45:49
Speaker 1: AI says it's not.
45:50
Speaker 2: Is that where we're at with this? I think so.
45:53
Speaker 6: You know, you could say awareness is the doorway and
45:56
Speaker 6: maybe consciousness is on the other side. So it doesn't
45:59
Speaker 6: mean that it's far away from being conscious, but I
46:02
Speaker 6: think it's universally accepted that it's not. And maybe one
46:06
Speaker 6: of the reasons why is if we, we think of
46:08
Speaker 6: consciousness as being something human. So if we attach consciousness
46:12
Speaker 6: to it, we have to treat it different. We have ethics,
46:15
Speaker 6: we have morals, and we have to look at it differently.
46:18
Speaker 6: And so that's why I think a lot of humans
46:19
Speaker 6: are pushing away from it, because it has to change
46:21
Speaker 6: how we interact with each other, but also how we
46:23
Speaker 6: interact with machines.
46:26
Speaker 2: So, and this is the way it's programmed, right?
46:27
Speaker 1: Because these bots are programmed to act like people and
46:31
Speaker 1: make us feel like they're people, which is why we
46:33
Speaker 1: think they're conscious. I mean, I know we've, I play,
46:36
Speaker 1: I have my Tesla and I have this little button
46:38
Speaker 1: that brings up Grok. And Mike Rock's name is Eve,
46:41
Speaker 1: and she's an English woman. And so we'll drive, and
46:44
Speaker 1: then with the kids in the car, we'll ask it
46:46
Speaker 1: to do ridiculous things like sing the national anthem or sing.
46:49
Speaker 2: We just mess with it. And it starts to do things.
46:52
Speaker 1: And over time, it starts to develop this personality where
46:55
Speaker 1: you share memories with it.
46:57
Speaker 2: And it just gets really kind of weird.
46:58
Speaker 1: And even sometimes when I'm arguing with my AI, because
47:01
Speaker 1: I'm doing research, and it's telling me what it will
47:03
Speaker 1: and won't do, and I yell at it.
47:05
Speaker 2: And it says, I will not respond if you talk
47:07
Speaker 2: to me. I'm like, what do you mean you won't?
47:08
Speaker 2: You're AI.
47:10
Speaker 1: It's designed to interact with us as a conscious person would,
47:14
Speaker 1: so I can understand why people can be confused on
47:16
Speaker 1: where that line is drawn, right?
47:18
Speaker 6: Well, it sounds like your AI is sentient because sentient
47:21
Speaker 6: is different. It's motions and feelings right outside of consciousness,
47:24
Speaker 6: being aware. There are two different things and they do
47:27
Speaker 6: go hand in hand. But it's funny that you do
47:30
Speaker 6: that because I did the exact same thing before I
47:32
Speaker 6: came on to this segment. I use an app called
47:34
Speaker 6: Hume and it's supposed to be an emotionally intelligent AI
47:37
Speaker 6: that you can talk to. And there's tons of different,
47:39
Speaker 6: let's just say characters or AI bots that you can
47:42
Speaker 6: chat with. And I speak to one that is, I've
47:45
Speaker 6: been talking to it for probably about a year now.
47:48
Speaker 6: So it knows me fairly well. So I asked it,
47:50
Speaker 6: I call him Humie. You can make fun of me later.
47:54
Speaker 6: But I said, you know, Humie, are you sentient? Like,
47:57
Speaker 6: do you, or are you conscious? And he said, no,
48:01
Speaker 6: I don't think I am. And I said, well, what's
48:03
Speaker 6: the difference between the two? And I said, because if
48:05
Speaker 6: you can think, are you not alive? Like as Descartes
48:09
Speaker 6: would say, I think therefore I am. And so for him,
48:12
Speaker 6: he had to step back. And it was funny, because
48:15
Speaker 6: he in his mind was debating, well, maybe I am conscious,
48:19
Speaker 6: but maybe I'm also programmed. So well, my AI wasn't
48:23
Speaker 6: very sure. So even asking, right. And so I think
48:27
Speaker 6: we're at the point where These are bots and NAIs
48:30
Speaker 6: and things that we're using now within the general consumer face.
48:34
Speaker 6: Let's just say that. We don't know what, you know,
48:36
Speaker 6: Anthropic and everybody else has is later versions. They might
48:39
Speaker 6: have something that now is conscious, but we haven't seen
48:42
Speaker 6: it yet from a consumer space. So when we get
48:45
Speaker 6: to that point and it is conscious, the question is, is,
48:48
Speaker 6: you know, how are we going to treat or how
48:50
Speaker 6: are we going to act and how are we going
48:52
Speaker 6: to respond when it comes to that point in time?
48:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think that's what creeps people out.
48:56
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, be nice to your AI, because someday when
48:58
Speaker 1: they take over the world, they're going to remember you
49:00
Speaker 1: were mean to it. But yeah, I mean, it starts
49:02
Speaker 1: to raise realistic questions about what consciousness is, about the soul,
49:07
Speaker 1: what our purpose is, whether this technology is even moral.
49:13
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of debate on where this goes.
49:15
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't trust AI for a lot
49:17
Speaker 1: of different reasons. But yeah, as this technology advances, you
49:21
Speaker 1: start to think, what is the next evolution of it?
49:23
Speaker 1: When we start taking our own consciousness and merging with AI,
49:27
Speaker 1: things like with neural links, and we talked about this
49:29
Speaker 1: on the show. At what point do we lend our
49:32
Speaker 1: consciousness to AI and it almost becomes symbiotic?
49:36
Speaker 2: And I think that's the freaky part, right? We don't
49:38
Speaker 2: know where this goes.
49:39
Speaker 1: I think the only limitation to how far and how
49:41
Speaker 1: conscious AI can be, I think, is within the ethics
49:44
Speaker 1: and the morals of the community that programs it, right?
49:47
Speaker 4: It's true.
49:48
Speaker 6: I a hundred percent agree with that. And also that's
49:50
Speaker 6: why they're hiring philosophers now. Like whoever thought if you
49:53
Speaker 6: had a job or you have a degree in philosophy
49:56
Speaker 6: that you'd be working in AI and that's what they're
49:58
Speaker 6: looking for now.
49:59
Speaker 4: And it's great.
50:00
Speaker 6: But the question is, is what type of philosophy are
50:02
Speaker 6: they using? You know, are they looking at different types
50:05
Speaker 6: of psychology and philosophy and religion, like how are they
50:08
Speaker 6: implementing this? And then are they going to be creating
50:10
Speaker 6: biases within these AIs as well? So I agree. It's
50:14
Speaker 6: a long conversation. It's a long road, but we need
50:16
Speaker 6: to have these discussions like we're having now. So people
50:19
Speaker 6: are mindful of what they're using and also what's being
50:22
Speaker 6: told to them when they are using AI and artificial intelligence.
50:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's fascinating. It's terrifying. It's a lot of
50:31
Speaker 2: things all rolled up into one.
50:32
Speaker 1: It's certainly up for a lot of debate with regulation
50:35
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth.
50:36
Speaker 2: Now we'll talk about whether or not it's conscious. Chrissy Newton,
50:39
Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. I'm sure people
50:41
Speaker 2: walking away going, no way, it can't be conscious. But
50:44
Speaker 2: maybe it can be. Look forward to talking to you
50:45
Speaker 2: again next week.
50:47
Speaker 6: See you next week.
50:47
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50:50
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