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Legally Brunette: College Student Kills Newborn, Teacher Killed by Student Prank & Missing Woman Found · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.
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  Speaker 1: I will be your host today, Emily Simpson with my
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  Speaker 1: co pilot Shane. So today we thought, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I always try to look for what's going on in
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  Speaker 1: the media, like what is the buzz what are people
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Because that's always the first thing that I
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  Speaker 1: want to go to for Legally Brunette is like what
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  Speaker 1: is the most current topic? And I feel like there
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  Speaker 1: were just some big kind of breaking news type of topics,
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  Speaker 1: but probably not enough to do a full episode. So
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  Speaker 1: today we're just going to talk about like three really
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  Speaker 1: current things that are going on in the news in
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  Speaker 1: the true crime world. So all right, So first we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about Laken Snelling. Have you heard of
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  Speaker 1: this girl? Do you know who this is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I've seen it in the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, remind me, well.
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  Speaker 1: If you have to put cheerleader around there, because that's
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  Speaker 1: always a headline.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's a murder suicide in Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: No, oh no, I don't know they Okay Lake and
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  Speaker 1: Snell is the college girl who cheered at UK who
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  Speaker 1: killed her new word well was just recently.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't that recently found out that the asphyxiation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so we're going to go into that. So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about that. Also again, we talked about this before
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  Speaker 1: when we did an episode on the girl that was
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  Speaker 1: killed by her stepbrother or yeah, remember all her ship.
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  Speaker 1: I remember she was a cheerleader, and I talked about
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  Speaker 1: how whenever a girl is a cheerleader, they always put
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  Speaker 1: that into the headline, like that's always a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Cheerleader because has some Well, was football, they would put football.
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  Speaker 1: If it was football, they would put football. If it's cheerleader,
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  Speaker 1: they put cheerleader.
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  Speaker 2: If it's minecraft warrior, they do not ill No, but
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  Speaker 2: cheerleader is the YouTuber you know, if there's something that
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  Speaker 2: kind of gives a little bit of a description of
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  Speaker 2: kind of their you know, their personality.
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  Speaker 1: It's cheerleader. Cheerleader, cheerleader, I guess because immediately you have
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  Speaker 1: this vision of like this peppy, bubbly, you know, attract
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  Speaker 1: girl that's a cheerleader and popular. And now we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this horrific crime that she did. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two year old Laken Snelling is a former beauty
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  Speaker 1: pageant contestant and University of Kentucky student. She is now
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  Speaker 1: facing new legal developments and the death of her newborn baby.
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  Speaker 1: A Fayette County grand jury has voted to indict Snelling
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  Speaker 1: on a charge of first degree manslaughter, according to a
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  Speaker 1: statement from the Lexington Police Department. Under Kentucky law, that
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  Speaker 1: charge carries a possible sentence of ten to twenty years
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  Speaker 1: in prison.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I read.
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  Speaker 1: That when the grand jury they convene that they had
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  Speaker 1: four options for what to charge for charges based upon
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  Speaker 1: the new evidence that the baby had been born alive right,
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  Speaker 1: So the highest charge would have been murder, but they
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  Speaker 1: didn't go with murder. They went with first degree manslaughter
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  Speaker 1: because I read that there was some type of They
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  Speaker 1: allowed her, I guess, to have some of emotional distress
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  Speaker 1: so that it got so they indicted her on a
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  Speaker 1: lesser charge of first.
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  Speaker 2: Degree That would mean she planned it all along, like
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  Speaker 2: when my baby's born.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to write, and I guess for this
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  Speaker 1: grand jury indictment when they convened, I'm sure there was
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  Speaker 1: not evidence to support a premeditated type of even though
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  Speaker 1: I do know that they were searching her snapchat her conversations,
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  Speaker 1: because I believe they're looking for evidence that she is
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  Speaker 1: aware that she's pregnant, right because she hid this pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one knew. Did she not show? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I read that her because she has you were.
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  Speaker 2: A cheerleading outfit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I was trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: it out. And I do believe that she was currently
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  Speaker 1: cheering at UK while she was pregnant. And she's also
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  Speaker 1: she's also it's called stunt, so I believe. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know a lot about UK cheerleading. First of all, UK
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  Speaker 1: cheerleaders are good. They're very athletic, and she's stunting like
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  Speaker 1: they're you know, like what Annabel does that's physically is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: This. Uh, when stuff like this happens, I think of
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  Speaker 2: all those women who want to be pregnant, who become
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  Speaker 2: pregnant and then have difficulty in pregnancies like me, well yeah,
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  Speaker 2: or just just it's nine months. It's a long time.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard on them. They have to hold a job,
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  Speaker 2: they can barely hold a job, you know, people that
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  Speaker 2: have a rough time not getting pregnant, but just through
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  Speaker 2: the pregnancy. And then here she is stunting, cheering and
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  Speaker 2: jumping all around as if she's not pregnant, right, And.
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  Speaker 1: I did read that her roommates because she lived off campus,
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  Speaker 1: but she had roommates, so I assumed she lived in
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  Speaker 1: an apartment or something. Her roommates had suspected that she
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  Speaker 1: was possibly pregnant, but they could never confirm it.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, obviously suspect she was pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know that, but I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe just she was sick a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she did look a little heavier. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, at the time of her arrest in August
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, Snelling had already been charged with
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  Speaker 1: abuse of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, and concealing
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  Speaker 1: the birth of an infant. Those charges remained part of
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  Speaker 1: the case, so she still already has those charges that
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  Speaker 1: she was charged with back in August of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: that's when they found the baby. But now she has
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  Speaker 1: this fourth charge of first degree manslaughter. Investigators say the
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  Speaker 1: grand jury's decision followed testimony indicating that the baby was
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  Speaker 1: born alive, and we know that this last charge of
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  Speaker 1: a first degree manslaughter comes later because they had.
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  Speaker 2: To do all the well, they had to learn the
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  Speaker 2: life of the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Right, They had to do with the medical examiner had
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  Speaker 1: to do all the testing to determine that the baby
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  Speaker 1: was actually born alive and then affhixiated. So that's where
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  Speaker 1: the manslaughter charge comes in.
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  Speaker 2: Police. Wait, so did do we go with the basic facts?
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  Speaker 2: Did she just gave deli at home?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to that. I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 1: giving like a brief outline of what's going on, and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll get into like some more details. Police previously
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  Speaker 1: reported that the infant's body was discovered wrapped in a
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  Speaker 1: towel and placed inside a trash bag, which had been
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  Speaker 1: hidden in a closet inside Snelling's bedroom. Authorities also revealed
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  Speaker 1: that an autopsy determined this is later that the cause
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  Speaker 1: of death was asphyxia, although the exact circumstances of how
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  Speaker 1: the suffocation occurred could not be determined unless she talks
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  Speaker 1: or confesses. But as far as I know, her initial
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  Speaker 1: story is that she gave birth and the baby was alive,
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  Speaker 1: and it whimpered or made some noises and then she
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  Speaker 1: passed out.
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  Speaker 2: But like she claimed baby she claimed.
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  Speaker 1: She like passed out on top of the baby. And
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  Speaker 1: then woke up later and like the baby was dead,
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  Speaker 1: which is a very elaborate story, right.
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  Speaker 2: Which is also like, well, you should have gone to
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  Speaker 2: a hospital.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about well, let's talk about the timeline
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  Speaker 1: of events. So this was on Wednesday, August twenty seventh
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, so this was over last summer.
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  Speaker 1: Police were called to an off campus residence near the
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  Speaker 1: University of Kentucky after roommates reported finding blood inside Snelling's bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's I've read more about this, more details about
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  Speaker 1: the roommates. First of all, the roommates heard a lot
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  Speaker 1: of noise going on for an hour inside her bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like contractions, yes, like her response to contractions. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so she's at first the noises were five minutes apart, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Then they were four minutes apart.
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  Speaker 1: And then they claimed that there was also such a
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  Speaker 1: loud thump that a picture fell off the wall, like
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  Speaker 1: I think in another part of the house.
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  Speaker 2: So I ask our kids, cause a lot of havoc,
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  Speaker 2: And we've never had a picture fall off the wall.
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  Speaker 1: No, we haven't. So that was there. So she's in
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  Speaker 1: this her bedroom alone, giving birth to a baby, and
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of noises and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: activity going on in this bedroom while her.
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  Speaker 2: Roommate and the roommates are what they a that she's
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  Speaker 2: just I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know it says. According to investigators, the roommates became
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  Speaker 1: alarmed after hearing unusual sounds earlier in the day, so
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  Speaker 1: then they hear all these weird sounds. There's like a
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  Speaker 1: thomb but picture falls off the wall. There's all this
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  Speaker 1: crazy stuff going on. Then she actually leaves and she
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  Speaker 1: tells them that she's sick, she hasn't eaten all day,
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  Speaker 1: and that she's going to go to the doctor. So
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  Speaker 1: she leaves the residence. Once she leaves, the roommates go
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  Speaker 1: into her bedroom because they're like, what the heck was
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  Speaker 1: going on in there? And that's when they go in
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  Speaker 1: her bedroom, they find a blood soaked towel on her floor,
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  Speaker 1: and then in her closet is a trash bag and
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  Speaker 1: they open the trash bag and there is blood and
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  Speaker 1: placenta and every baby record.
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  Speaker 2: Right, howd she cut the That means she cut the Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's I don't know how this girls, that's a lot
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  Speaker 2: to go through. Yeah, be willing to go.
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  Speaker 1: Through right alone in your bedroom and never ask for
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  Speaker 1: help and not call nine one one and not yell
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  Speaker 1: for me.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a tummy a can you scream for help?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: So, do you?
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  Speaker 1: Sir? You get a cold and you're down and out.
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  Speaker 2: That's not true, but all right, we'll talk about that later.
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  Speaker 1: So then after the roommates go into her room and
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  Speaker 1: they find all these things, and they find the stuff
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  Speaker 1: in the closet, they call police. Officers arrive at their home.
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  Speaker 1: Snelling was not present because I told you she just left.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently she left and went to McDonald's and got herself
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  Speaker 1: some food. Well, she needs some protein, right, So she
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  Speaker 1: reportedly stopped at McDonald's and then parked outside a student
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  Speaker 1: medical clinic before eventually returning home. So she never actually
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  Speaker 1: went into.
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  Speaker 2: So she considered getting medical help. Was that what that was? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe I think she just she doesn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do with herself. I don't know. So she goes
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  Speaker 1: and gets food, and then she goes to a medical
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  Speaker 1: clinic and she sits outside, but she doesn't go in.
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  Speaker 1: When she returns to the residence, the police are there
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  Speaker 1: and she was detained and taken in for questioning. She
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  Speaker 1: has another court date coming up. I believe it's April eighth,
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  Speaker 1: So she's going to go to trial, I'm sure, or
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  Speaker 1: unless she pleads out something. I don't know. But obviously
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  Speaker 1: at this point, I'm sure they're collecting all that evidence
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  Speaker 1: because I know they're looking into her snapchat history. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure they want to look at her cell phone history.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're trying to put together a timeline the boyfriend. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: So what did Lake and Snelling tell the police. So,
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  Speaker 1: while receiving medical treatment at the University of Kentucky Hospital,
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  Speaker 1: Snelling agreed to speak with investigators and waived her Miranda rights.
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  Speaker 1: According to search warrant Affi Davits, again, we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a young girl. I don't know how I feel about.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's an adult, I all.
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  Speaker 2: Enough to have a baby and smother it.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess she is rights. Snelling told police that
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  Speaker 1: she gave birth a round.
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  Speaker 2: Four question sometimes like in this case, she waived her rights,
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  Speaker 2: And for our purposes, let's assume she is guilty, right
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  Speaker 2: because she probab Like do we care that she waved
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  Speaker 2: her rights? Like? Good, incriminate yourself because you're a crook.
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  Speaker 1: She's not a crook. She's a killer.
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  Speaker 2: She's like even worse, she's a killer, right, so it's like,
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  Speaker 2: who cares that she waved her rights?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know the Miranda rights? Do you know them?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what they are?
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  Speaker 2: Like Randa versus Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Well I know that, but I'm saying, do you know
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  Speaker 1: what it is? Yeah, you have the right to remain silent.
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  Speaker 1: You have the right to an attorney, an attorney afford one.
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  Speaker 1: What will be provided for you is that it are
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  Speaker 1: there anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Well, anything you say can't be you know, you know
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  Speaker 2: I was watching because I watched those body camp videos.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's good. I like to scare and be like,
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  Speaker 2: see don't shop list.
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  Speaker 1: It's a scare tactic for Annabel. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: But anyways, she asked, like about the Miranda rights because
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  Speaker 2: the guy the cops usually pull out a card and
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  Speaker 2: read it, like thinking they're dumb, Like, shouldn't they have
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  Speaker 2: it memorized? But yeah, I don't, Like they probably haven't memorized.
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  Speaker 2: But do you know why they read.
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  Speaker 1: It so they don't mess up ever?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Well, no, because you can memorize something and not
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  Speaker 2: mess up. But then if you go to court and
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: you're questioned by the defense attorney, did you give her
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  Speaker 2: her Miranda rights? Yes? I did? Did you read all?
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  Speaker 2: Did you give them all the Miranda rights? How do
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  Speaker 2: you know? Then they can say I pulled out my
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  Speaker 2: card and I read it instead of like I think
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  Speaker 2: I did. I remember everything. So that way, so you're
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  Speaker 2: saying it's a technicality.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little extra layer of protection for the police. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Snelling told police that she gave birth around
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  Speaker 1: four am on August twenty seventh, saying the baby fell
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  Speaker 1: to the floor of her bedroom during delivery. That must
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  Speaker 1: have been what the loud some fell?
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  Speaker 2: What was she on a bunk bed?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she had bunk beds. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she was probably on a bed, and I'm sure the
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  Speaker 1: baby probably rolled off the bed and fell.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not if that still wouldn't be allowed thump like
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  Speaker 2: that to knock.
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  Speaker 1: A picture off, well, I know, because you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: like a seven pound baby or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, no offense, but if we
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  Speaker 2: fell of, it wouldn't be a loud dump be there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was thinking, what is going on
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  Speaker 1: in that room that made like.
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  Speaker 2: The wall shake, kicking the walls or something.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I don't know, I mean, According to investigators,
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  Speaker 1: she also stated that that after the birth, she stayed
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  Speaker 1: awake briefly before falling asleep and unintentionally lying on top
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  Speaker 1: of the baby. She later woke up and noticed that
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  Speaker 1: the infant had turned blue and purple. According to the documents,
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  Speaker 1: Snelling reportedly told officers that she wrapped the baby in
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  Speaker 1: a towel and laid beside the child on the bedroom floor,
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  Speaker 1: saying it gave her quote a little comfort.
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  Speaker 2: Now you know what she knows she knows to say,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think it's a crime to have a
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  Speaker 2: baby outside a hospital.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's not a crime. You can have a baby,
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  Speaker 1: and you.
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  Speaker 2: Could do it negligently, and it might be there might
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  Speaker 2: be some criminal negligence, right, like if you're in an
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  Speaker 2: alleyway or something. Right. I don't know, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there could be some criminal negligence if you're not taking
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  Speaker 2: reasonable precautions. But there's no crime in having a You're
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  Speaker 2: not required to have a baby in a hospital. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's what So here she is saying, I had a baby.
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  Speaker 2: I intended to cute the baby. I love the baby. Oops,
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  Speaker 2: I fell asleep and I killed the baby. So that way,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a crime, right, which is actually which is
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  Speaker 2: what they all say.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just saying, for such a young girl
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  Speaker 1: that went through something traumatic like that, that's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: quick story to come up with.
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  Speaker 2: No, she probably planned it all along.
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  Speaker 1: My question is, and this is what they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out with all her snapchat and text messages, is
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  Speaker 1: did she know she was pregnant? Because there are girls, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember that, there are many girls.
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  Speaker 2: I watched this. There a series we watched called I
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Didn't Know I Was Pregnant. Yes, it was on TLC.
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  Speaker 1: I believe I used to watch them all the time
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  Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, how do you not know you're pregnant?
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  Speaker 1: But there are so many cases of women who just
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh my gosh, I have back pain, I
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  Speaker 1: need to go to the hospital, and the next thing
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  Speaker 1: you know, they have a baby. So the question is,
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  Speaker 1: did she know she was pregnant and she concealed her
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy and then she planned to kill the baby once
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  Speaker 1: it was born and hide it, or was she shocked
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  Speaker 1: when she went into labor and freaked out and didn't
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  Speaker 1: know she was pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Her story for someone to come up with and say
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know I was pregnant, right, and then
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  Speaker 2: I had this baby and I freaked out and I
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  Speaker 2: was overwhelmed, that lost a lot of blood. I fell asleep,
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  Speaker 2: I woke up, and the baby was dead. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see what further evidence comes
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  Speaker 1: out in this case that could actually solidify whether she
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  Speaker 1: knew she was all.
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  Speaker 2: It takes this one snap for her to say like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pregnant, woo or.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever or something with a boyfriend or anyone. Right. She
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  Speaker 1: then claims she went back to sleep until her alarm
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  Speaker 1: sounded later that morning. Investigators say that when she woke
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  Speaker 1: up again, she cleaned the blood and after birth from
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  Speaker 1: her bedroom, placed the baby, still wrapped in the towel,
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  Speaker 1: inside a trash bag, and also put the placenta inside
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a sealed plastic bag before placing it in the trash
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  Speaker 1: So what did the autopsy find? So? A later autopsy
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  Speaker 1: concluded that the infant died from asphyxia, though the specific
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: mechanism could not be determined. And that's really that's the question.
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  Speaker 2: Does that mean she's smothering the mouth and nose versus choking?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Did she smother the baby? Did she? I mean I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, or I mean, I guess.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Oh she killed the baby that' yeah. Really, at the
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: end of the day, it doesn't matter whether it was.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's not like well, a pillow is a mitigating.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Factor, right, According to the warrant, Snelling in her roommate
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: stayed in touch through a Snapchat group chat. Around four
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: am on August twenty seventh, one roommate message that she
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: had heard a loud noise like something falling. Another roommate
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: responded that she heard it as well. One of them
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: noted the disturbance continued for roughly an hour. Later that morning,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: shortly before nine am, Snelling sent a message. Okay, this
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: is what she tells the roommate. She does it by Snapchat.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: She sent a message explaining that the noise had been
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: caused by her passing out. Basically like she's saying, I
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: just passed out and fell down. She said that she
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: had been feeling well, had not eaten, and had planned
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to seek medical attention. And then we know that that's
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: when she then left the residence, went to McDonald's and
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: then sat out in front of the medical facility.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: That's her happy place, McDonald Right, So.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about what has happened since her arrest. After
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: being taken into custody, Snelling was held at the Fayette
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Fayette County Detention Center before a judge allowed her release
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: on one hundred thousand dollars bond. She was placed on
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: house arrest and she went back to Tennessee. So her
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: parents are divorced. Her mom and dad both live in Tennessee.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: What if house arrests or someone like that, and house
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: arrest really to keep someone from getting into trouble again,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, what do you.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Where do you want? You want her to go straight
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to jail?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just saying like, okay, wow, good,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: she's staying in the house.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, well, I think the house arrest
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: is just temporary until they determine whether the baby died
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: by natural causes or whether the baby died. And now
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that they know that the baby, but she's still she's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: still on house arrest even though she's been arrested.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: This is the case where it to me, it gets
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: confusing because it's like so so tragic all around, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know her story. What if she has what
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: if she was in serious fear and her parents and
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and just immature. Obviously, I don't know. What
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: do you do? Throw her in jail for the rest
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: of her life? Does that really solve and make things right?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but we did.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: But the manslaughter in charge, the first agree manslaughter what
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: was it carries what ten to twenty years in prison?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: See, So she goes, I don't know, because I'm a
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: big believer that prison is to keep them from causing
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: more harm. I know, there's multiple reasons put them in jail, right,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: punishment punitive, Yeah, punishment, hopefully they recompose themselves and they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: learned their lesson, and the other one is to keep
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: them from committing the crime again. So I mean, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna I don't know. It's just terrible.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So she's placed on house arrest and she I read
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: this she splits time between her mom's house and her
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: dad's house in Tennessee. But what it said was she
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: spends days at her dad's house and nights at her
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: mom's house. And I was like, that's a strange.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Mom with their boyfriend and her dad.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Won't Oh, is that what you think?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't well, what do you think?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think she currently has a boyfriend, but I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe she does, I don't know. I don't
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: know about that. I just thought that was a weird
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: split day and night.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of guys out there going, that's
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: not my baby, right, it wasn't me.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Snelling also withdrew from the University of Kentucky. She's no
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: longer a student there, where she had been a member
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of the school's stunt team, which finished runner up at
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the NC Double A Championships the previous year. They're a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: good cheer team. Just to throw that in there.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well, see you talk about how the media keeps referencing cheerleader,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: but you're the same who cares if she's a good cheerleader?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I know, I just thought I would just thrown with
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the grand jury's decision. Snelling is now facing a first
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: degree manslaughter charge. You know what always confused me about manslaughter.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Manslaughter is a lesser charge than murder, but it sounds
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so much worse, doesn't it? Like why isn't it manslaughter
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: is your highest charge and then murder? I mean the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: word slaughter.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I know who came up with that?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Who thought of that? Why is it's not.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Quite murder's manslaughter slaughtering. Yeah, I know the first time
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I heard of manslaughter when I was watching the episode
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: of Chips. Yes. Yes, they were drag racing and the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: cops were undercover, and then they wanted to Jim Baker.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: They were going to go after him for manslaughter charges.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Who's Jim Baker?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: He was punched partner? Oh, he didn't watch the show.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I've ever seen an episode of Chips.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know who they are, and I can't
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: visualize it. Shane also knows a lot about night Rider,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: so oh, I love if we ever wanted to recap
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: night Rider. Change your man?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I am all right, move on, let's finish this.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So with the growing with the grand jury's decision, Snelling
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: is now facing a first degree manslaughter charge along with
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: her original charges that were related to the death and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: concealment of the infant. Her next court date, she'll be
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: arraigned on these new charges. It's coming up in April
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. So we will continue to follow
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that because I definitely want to follow this case closely
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and see what happens.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: So well, what do you think do you think someone
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: like that, let's just system. She's guilty, right, we're jumping
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: on that. You think a settence of ten to twenty
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: years is what is needed to make things right? Do
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you think nothing's gonna really make I mean, nothings that
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: make it better. The baby's dead? But like, what do
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you think she should.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: No, I think she deserves jail time. Yeah, she's young,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: she's twenty two. I think I think there's a difference
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: between her actions and someone you know like that just
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: premeditates murder and goes out and kills like the six
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like the sixteen year olds that took the girl out,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you know when we talked about friends like these in
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the last episode. I think there's a big difference between that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I think I would like to know the reason why
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: she was concealing the pregnancy. Did she come from a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: very religious family where her parents be upset? Was there boyfriend?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You know, what are the circumstances surrounding it. At the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: end of the day, she caused a death. This child
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: never gets the opportunity to live and have a life,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So I believe she should be punished. I just think
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: there is a distinguishing difference between her actions and someone.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: It's not the same kind of violent behavior that someone
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: might want to kill again.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Unless there's more evidence that comes out that she knew
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant, that she planned it, that she knew
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: she was going to suffocate the baby. That takes it to.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Another level for me if that could be proven.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But let's just follow it and see. Let's move on
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to another case that's been in the news that I've
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: seen a lot, a lot of conversation, a lot of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: headlines about this is Jason Hughes. He was the teacher
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: who was killed by a student prank. Have you read
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: about this or heard about this? No, this is an
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: interesting discussion too, So I just want to get this
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: is in Georgia. So Jason Hughes was a forty year
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: old teacher and golf coach in Gainesville, Georgia, and he
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: died after a tragic accident connected to a prom season
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: prank on March sixth, So this just happened recently. Hughes
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was struck by a pickup truck outside his home. According
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to the Hall County Sheriff's Office, the truck was driven
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: by Jaden Wallace, an eighteen year old student who was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: with four other teenagers and they were toilet papering Hughes's trees.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Hughes I didn't know by name, but I do know
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the story.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Right, So Jason Hughes is this beloved math teacher and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: he's also a golf coach.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: The prank was not a we don't like this teacher.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: The prank was actually he was a beloved teacher. It
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: was almost like a what do you call it when
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: it's like a a ritual, right, like a what was
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: a tradition?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Tradition is a tradition, right, It was a tradition that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: these seniors did every year. You know, did you toilet
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: paper anyone's house when you were.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: In high school time?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I did too a couple of times, and it was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: like toilet papering someone's house was like a fun, harmless
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: prank other than there was a lot of toilet paper
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in the yard in the morning.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: But well you did it to people you knew, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that usually a lot of girls that you didn't you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that didn't give you attention.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, right, So, investigators say the prank is considered
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a long standing tradition among some students. During prom season,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: authorities reported that Hughes went outside during the incident, tripped
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and fell into the roadway and then was struck by
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the vehicle which was driven by this eighteen year old student.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Which I think the vehicle then stopped.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he stops.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they all like race off now, and I believe
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm probably getting end of you. But I believe the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: teacher waited for them, He anticipated them to come, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: he was guided catch him in the act, but as
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a way of playing the game, playing along with them,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: not to catch them and turn them in, no, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to kind of have the laugh by catching them and.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Being a part of it. Right, Jaden Wallace, that's the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: team that ran over him, and the other teens stopped
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: immediately and tried to assist Hughes until emergency respond arrived.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: The teacher, Jason Hughes, was then transported to a local hospital,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: but later died from these injuries. So Hughes was a teacher.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Let's just get into a little bit more details about
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: who he was. He was a teacher and a golf
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: coach at North Hall High School, where he was well
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: known in the community. You know, I was reading about him,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and it's just sad because this was a guy that
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like dedicated, like he was one of those people.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: That was like he was trying to make differences in right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Like he was the kind of teacher and this is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: why he was beloved by all his students, because he
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: was the kind of teacher that wanted to be a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: teacher that was like trying to make a difference in
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: people's lives. Like he loved his students. He was very
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: integrated into the school and he was a coach. He
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: also served as an as the North Hall School Director.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It was called for MNG three, which means Next Generation three.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: It was an organization focused on mentorship and character development
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for students and local schools. So he was described by
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: many as not only a teacher, but he was a mentor,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a leader, and a strong presence in both the school
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and church communities. He is survived by his wife, Laura Hughes,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and he had two young sons. You know, it's one
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of those things where it's such a tragedy because if
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: there would have been a split second difference anywhere between
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: when he left the house or when the kid was
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: probably backing the truck up, it never would have happened.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But it's one of those tragic incidents that just.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Came out the door one second later, right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I guess when he came out and he
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: slipped in the driveway, it's the exact moment that this
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: kid was. I don't know if he was backing out
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: or pulling forward, but either way, it just he ran
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: over him. Following the accident, Jaden Wallace was charged with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: first degree first degree of vehicular homicide, which is a felony,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: reckless driving, which is a misdemeanor offense. If convicted of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: vehicular homicide, Wallace could face three to fifteen years in prison.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: There were also four other teas involved that night, Elijah Owens,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Aiden Hucks, Anna Luki, and Arianna Cruz. They were all
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old, and those the other ones that weren't driving,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: were charged with criminal trespassing which is a misdemeanor, and littering.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So the response from the family after this accident happened
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: so after Hughes's death, His wife, Laura Hughes, who is
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: also a teacher at North Hall High School, publicly stated
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that she and her family support dropping the charges against
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the teens. You know, I thought that was really such
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a stand up thing by the wise.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Because she recognized it as just an unfortunate accident, right,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: there was no bad intentions. She didn't want to interrupt
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: their opportunity for living and.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Growing and becoming something and making something of their life, right, right, So.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It's like he would want them to be able to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: go back to normal living and pick up their life.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And you know, right, So, the Hall County District Attorney
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: said the cases currently under review. However, I did read
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that they did drop the charges.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: But I have a question. So it's not up to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: her to press or not press.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: It's up to the state, but they can consider.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I think they did.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I think because once she won't testify against them, right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Because initially they charged him with first degree vehicular or homicide.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: They later dropped the charges against him, and I believe
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that's because I think the community kind of had an
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: outpouring of support too. So it's like the wife's saying,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: please don't prosecute. Most kids didn't run away, they didn't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: they stayed in this says says.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It was an act to me, says, it was an.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Accident, absolutely, and you know, the wife.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: You know, something they did not want and they wanted
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to help him, and him waiting his excitement, waiting to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: catch them and kind of play their you know, catch
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: him at their game for fun, not to you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to teach them a lesson.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Right, So they decided to drop the charges against the kids,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: which I think was the right decision.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I I don't it'd be more tragedy for her too
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: if she had to go through trials and right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't believe in any sense of the word.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: To me, this is nothing more than like we talked about,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a split second tragic thing that happened with you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it's a complete accident and it's so unfortunate, And I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: don't I don't think that as far as what I read,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think that Jaden, the one driving, was even
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: operating the truck in a negligent manner or acting crazy or.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Doing don't no, but he might he might have tried
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: to speed off.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It says that they did.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: That, it didn't even get that far. I don't know.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: His attorney said that there was no evidence that he
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: was acting in any riving. He was just driving and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: probably driving normally. Again, I think it was nothing more
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: than like you know, what you.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Were talking about how everything kind of lined up to
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: allow this to happen. Also, just I mean, people get
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: hit by cars and they don't die. And if it
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: was isn't going fast. So I mean that also had
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a line up perfectly, that it was such a tragic
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: that it yet by the vehicle that he actually died. Right,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Everything was just bad.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So on March tenth, Jaden Wallace and his parents released
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: their first public statement through their attorney. The family said
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that they feel deep remorse over Hughes's death. Jaden Wallace
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: also issued a personal message, saying that he intends to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: honor Hughes's memory and live in a way that reflects
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the coach's faith and values. So, I mean, I hope
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that this Here's the thing. I don't think this kid
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: deserves any kind of punishment because he has to live
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: with the punishment.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That the same I have. There's probably lessons to be
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: learned for everyone, you know, Just I always think cars
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: are disdanged. I mean, eighteen year old driving a car.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: It's other than to get from point A to point B.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: It's very dangerous for young kids to drive cars, you know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: racing around thinking it's funny, laughing out loud, playing loud music.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, cars can kill.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Right, But again, I don't think he was doing anything negligently.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying the lesson to learn, like Okay, because
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: when I saw this, I thought, yeah, cars are dangerous.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Always when to drop daughters off at like even like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: church chances, I always tell them be careful in the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: parking lot because there's boys that like to show off,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: play loud music, race around, and you got to be
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: very very careful with that. And then there's I don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: think you know this, but do you know what senior
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Assassin is?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: No, it sounds scary.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's a game that all the seniors play at the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: end of the year.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Where are you talking about here?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: The high schools?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what in Orange County?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about all Orange County, but the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: high school as our kids would go to, Okay or
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Shelby and Chanelle went to.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So Shane's from talking about these high schools.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But this is a new thing that didn't happen when
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I was young. So Senior Assassin is they are. It's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: really well organized, really quick. It's really well organized, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you have teams like of twos and you try to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: assassin each other with water guns and that's it, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you have to capture it on video to prove that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the that you killed the other assassinated the other person,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and then the vast group standing wins the prize, which
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: is everyone put in ten bucks or whatever. But the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: danger in that is because they're using their cars to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: find each other, to track each other down. And so
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the last time around, when Chanelle was doing it, my
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: big advice was you cannot be racing around. You know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you can't do that, and one of her friends got
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: in an accident trying to follow someone else and it
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: could have resulted in death. And that's the part that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: always scares me. Yeah, as young kids driving cars because
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: you don't have an appreciation or how dangerous it can be,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: even in this case where it was just driving away
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: laughing because you know someone was trying to catch you,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and then you kill them.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Right, just again, just to reiterate this I was trying
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to say before you were talking about that, I don't
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: think Jaden Wallace deserves any type of formal punishment because
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: he has to live the rest of his life with
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the punishment within his own head that his actions whether
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying they were.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I imagine he's emotionally.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Damn it right, and he has to wake up every
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: day and he has to go to bed every night school,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: he has to go to this and he has to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: know and he has to live with the fact that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: this man no longer is living and has left two
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: sons with no father because of the actions that happened
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that night. And to me, that's enough that he has
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: to deal with that. That's the only punishment. He doesn't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: even deserve that, but that's what he has to live
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: with the rest of his life. So a go fundme
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: fundraiser was created to support the teacher's family and help
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: build a college fund for his two sons. As of today,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the fundraiser has raised more than four hundred and eighty
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: nine thousand, with an original goal of only seventy five thousand.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Donations have been paused. I guess they paused it after
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you reach like a certain when you've reached so much,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, how long ago.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I never heard of that, but apparently
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that's what they do.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the last case we're
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: going to talk about today, because I thought this was
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: an interesting headline. That I saw recently. This is the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: case of Michelle Hunley Smith, who was the woman who
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: went missing for twenty five years, who just recently reappeared
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and showed back up.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So if that's the case, was she missing, she her family.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Thought she was missing, and her husband and her children.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: She knew who she was, Yeah, she knew or she
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: do know any details in this case.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So all right, well we're going to go into this.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: But this made me think of how many times have
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: we had cases like just here's just an example of
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: like Josh and Susan Powell, and remember Josh palell is like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: well she just left, she she just disappeared, her kiss.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And how many times have we said a woman doesn't
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: just walk out the front guy, guys gonna take his
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: phone on the way. They don't just disappear and you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: leave three kids behind and don't come back. Well here
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we have, Okay, the exception to the exception to the rule.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: This is Michelle and she is the exception to that. So,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: more than two decades after she was reported missing, Michelle
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Hunley Smith, a North Carolina mother of three, has been
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: found alive. Smith disappeared in two thousand and one after
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: leaving her home in Eden, North Carolina to go Christmas shopping.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: She was Christmas shopping at Kmart and three children and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: she never returned. At the time, she was thirty eight
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, to keep going, Okay, all right, so
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you keep working on that while I continue on.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I've solved the problem.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: On February twentieth, twenty twenty six. This was very recently,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: investigators with the Rockingham County Sheriff's Office confirmed that they
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: had located Smith after receiving new information the day before.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this new information was. I was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: trying to figure that out, and I was reading a
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: lot of articles on this case because I was trying
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to figure out the exact details of how they came
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: to know where she was located. I don't know, I can't.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So if anyone actually a lot of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: listeners out there, like they will DM me and give
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: me more information because everyone's you know, there's so many
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: people out there that are that are physically located or
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: emotionally tied to some of these cases we talk about.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: So if anyone knows Michelle and you know any details,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: please send me a message because I'm really curious to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: know how they found out where she was. Detectives met
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: with her in person at an undisclosed location in North
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Carolina and confirm that she is alive and in good health.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: According to authorities, Smith told investigators that she left her
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: family more than twenty years ago because of ongoing domestic issues,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: though she did not provide any details. Officials also noted
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence of foul play related to her disappearance,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and the case is now considered resolved. Smith has requested
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that her current location remain private. She still doesn't want
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: anybody to know where she is, though her family has
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: been in form and they know that she's alive, well
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and safe.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Let's see what happens this Christmas. Right, she disappears again.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the original disappearance. This is back
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and one. So Smith disappeared on December
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: ninth of two thousand and one. After leaving her home
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. She reportedly planned to go Christmas shopping
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: at a kmart in Martinsville, Virginia, which was about twenty
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: miles away. Her husband later told police that she never
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: returned home from the trip. The case even let this
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is what This is mind boggling for me. The case
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: led to a long investigation involving multiple agencies and the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: fbis this is.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: During the twenty five years or after they found her.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: No, this is during This is an one when she disappeared.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I mean her husband reports her missing. He says she
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: went shopping Christmas shopping and she never returned home.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, where was home?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: She's in North Carolina's her home?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: And where was she found?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: She was found in North Carolina. No, she was found
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she didn't travel far.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: No, No, she was located in North Carolina.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, disclosed location. She's just she was not giving up
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: her location.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: To know the city. I want to go where she is.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Leave that vacation there and no one can find us.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen though, let me just break this down because
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: this makes no sense to me. She goes Christmas shopping.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: She has a husband and three children and a home
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and a life. Okay, she goes to Christmas shopping in
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and she disappears, and the family
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and the husband never see her again, and the and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and there's multiple agencies involved in her search and the FBI.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: How did this woman slip away and create a full
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: new life for herself, and no one could find her
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in the FBI can't even find her.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: You really want to know how to do that? Nommy?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: You want to know how to do No?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Did this woman do that? On February nineteenth of twenty
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: twenty six, investigators received new and formation related to the case.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: This is the part that I don't know. So if
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: anybody out there knows, I want to know what this
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: new information.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I try to look it up. It says that it
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: has not been released.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: No, there has not been released. I cannot find it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Detectives followed up on the lead and located Smith the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: following day. I mean it was good information because they
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: found her.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That was one tip. Yeah, I got any more tips
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: for us.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Disher and Detective Worli met with her face to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: face in North Carolina at an undisclosed location.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: How many? How many of those original investigators have since retired?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Then now they're reading the news gone what right?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Authorities confirmed she was alive in good health, and Smith
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: requested that her current location not be made public. I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: think that's the part that makes me She's like, please, please,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: don't tell anybody. Smith reportedly told investigators that she left
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: voluntarily in two thousand and one. She said the decision
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: was connected to domestic issues that she was experiencing at
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the time. How however, I did read that there were
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: no there were no phone calls or or charge like,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: she never called or made any complaints of domestic violence.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: There's there's no paper trail of any domestic violence, is
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. According to the sheriff, she did not
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: provide detailed explanations about those issues. She's like, please don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: tell anyone where I am.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: So what she did? Is that a crime?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So we'll get into that because I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: was wondering.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: That did the same I know you may not know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Did she go by the same name, did she change
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: her name? Details she married, did she have new kids?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. These are all the questions I have
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that I don't know. She looked like, well, there's a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: well there's a photo, but we'll.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: It's her career.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Let's get her on the Podcastah, can we do that?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Because she wants to know where this location is and
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: how you did it. You were like a detailed, full appointed.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: She could write a book How to Disappear, How to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Disappear qualification for twenty five years. Investigators also said there
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was no previous official records documenting any kind of domestics.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: This is a worthless case to discuss. It's more frustrating
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: than it is.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: No, I'm putting it out there because I'm hoping that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: people can give me more information or that more.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: There's anyone else in this undisclosed location.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Please let us know. I would like her neighbor or
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like someone out there that knows her. I would Could
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you please send me some messages.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Photograph of her out there now or people can identify
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: or she like totally.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know the photograph I have. I believe it's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: like a glamour shot photo. So I feel like it
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: was from two thousand lives. I don't feel like it's recent.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Wait, she had kids? Yes, yes, I know. I know.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So after Smith was located, investigators consulted the local District
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Attorney's office. See they have the same question. They're like, basical,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: please please show us the way. Is this a crime? No?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I think they contacted the DA and they're.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Like, why is it a crime? It's not a crime.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Official it's not like a crime law of the land. Obviously,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: she that's what I was getting.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Officials considered whether any legal issues related to abandonment might apply.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: At the time she left, Smith had three children who
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: remained with their father. So so far, no charges have
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: been filed. Prosecutors say the case is still being reviewed
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and no final decisions have been made. You know what, though,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this is what it makes me think. Maybe the crime
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: is because do.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: You remember when, oh my gosh, is not fair. We
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: have to take care of our kids.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, that is not fair. No, listen, let me
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: just I just thought of this. Remember Cherry Peppini disappeared
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and she faked it. She faked the whole thing, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: then they had all those agencies looking for her, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: they spent all the time and money looking for someone
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that was a missing person, but she'd faked everything. That's yes,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: it is Scherry Peppinie. But then they made her. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: believe like she was responsible for retribution as far as
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: like all the money that was spent trying to find
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: but she.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Also misled law enforcement. Yeah, I understand, just disappeared. She
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: should write a book, she should.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors say the case is still being reviewed and no
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: final decisions have been made.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Now you don't know what to do. I know they're like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: is it a crime? I know the question.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: So Smith has a daughter named Amanda, who had previously
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: created a Facebook page dedicated to finding her mother.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, that might have played a part in it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: What do you mean I played a part in what her?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because then someone probably sent her a message, Oh said,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: is this your mom? She lives next door to me.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: She's my neighbor. After learning her mother had been found. No, Amanda,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think she was involved in the actual finding
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: of her mother. She just found out after the fact
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that her mother was found like alive and well. Amanda
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: shared that she felt a wide range of emotions about
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the news. She said that she is unsure what the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: relationship will look like moving forward.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there her and the kids. There
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: is none, I know.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Amanda, sweetheart, I don't know if there's going
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to be a relationship. Your mom disappeared for twenty five
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: years and never made an attempt to contact you, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: she's alive and well, and she's in an undisclosed so exactly, so,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be celebrating Mother's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Day together anytime soon.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I mean sadly, right, I mean that sucks that happened
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: to the kids, but that mom wants nothing to do
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: So Amanda, this is the daughter also asked the public
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: not to make any assumptions or accusations about what had happened.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Well, tell us what happened, then we won't assume anything.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think she knows, but she defended her father publicly,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: saying that her mother's disappearent should not be blamed solely
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: on their marriage. The family has asked for privacy while processing.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: She's had this situ for twenty five years. She's had
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of privacy. Okay, so my theory, yeah, it
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: is doesn't answer all the questions that we just asked.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But she probably disappeared like she went shopping, like she
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: planned to disappear going shopping. She probably thought, I'll disappear
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Christmas time. I will, I will go shopping, and I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: would everyone I'm going shopping when all along I'm going
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to disappear to this undisclosed location. So that way it
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: looked like she was abduct deducted.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing though, in order for her to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: have pulled this off and for no one to be
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: able to find her, not even the FBI, there had
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to have been a lot of planning that went into that,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: because she goes shopping and then she disappears, which means
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: she had to have had some type of residence set
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: up somewhere.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: She might have gonewhere who's been homeless for a while.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: She could have made a crime scene and then disappeared
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the way she did and been gone forever, and then
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: he could have been charged.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Oh you mean she could have just like, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: cut her finger and left the blood evidence like around
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the house or something. Yeah, well she didn't do that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: She just disappeared, but she did it very well.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: So well we may never know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: No, I hope there's more information that comes out because
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I need you to.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Be a documentary.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Well right now, there's not a lot to put in
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the documentary.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: And yeah, here's a shot.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yes he has been sound, and now we found her
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and she looks like the shot today, like she hasn't
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: aged at all. She just went and hit somewhere, cryo
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: chamber somewhere just frozen in time. I don't know. We'll
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: see all right, thank you guys so much.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: We know her name, yes, her name is I know
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I'm saying we know her name, so I don't know.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Can we look up her Facebook page that her daughter
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: set up. Yeah, we can look at that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to look at that. Yeah, okay, okay,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: well shot, okay, we'll do that. We're gonna we'll make
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: a social clip and we'll put her glamour shots.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And the clip shot was like olemas or what was.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Ollen Mills clamor shots? Oh, they didn't do shot. No,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they did it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Well, did your glam shots when you did them?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I did glamour shots when I was like, did you Yes?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: When I was like eighteen or something, My sister and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I went and they the mall at the mall, yes,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: like a kiosk, Yes I did. I did, and I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: was so excited about it. Oh my gosh. They made
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: our hair so big and I think I had like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: a leather jacket. All we have that phone still, I
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. I would have to ask my sister.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It was because if you ever go missing and we
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to use that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Please do please use my glamour shots okay, all right,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: we have to move on. We have to end this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: all right. Thank you guys so much for listening to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Legally Brunette. We truly appreciate it, and as always, please
• 47:18
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• 47:19
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• 47:22
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• 47:25
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• 47:28
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