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The Anxiety Lie - It's Not Your Brain, It's Your Bloodline - with Kerie Logan · Thrive After 45® | Life After 45, Self-Trust, Midlife Women

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Hello, and welcome to today's episode of Thrive after 45.
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I'm Denise Drink Walter heart whisperer, midlife mirror and mentor.
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And every week I am honored to share energy and space with inspiring guests whose stories reflect so many possibilities of thriving beyond 45.
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Together we'll uncover the whispers of the heart, the power of midlife transformation, and the wisdom that fuels expansion.
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What if the anxiety you've been carrying isn't who you are?
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But simply something that's been waiting to be released.
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It is an honor and a privilege to welcome Carrie Logan to thrive after 45 today.
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For 25 years, Carrie has been guiding individuals into deeper awareness, healing, and transformation.
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As a clinical certified hypnotherapist and human consciousness guide, and for 15 consecutive years, she has been voted best hypnotherapist in Salem, Oregon.
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A reflection not only of her expertise, but of the profound trust that her community places in her work, Carrie has supported.
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Thousands of people through anxiety, fear, depression, anger, feeling stuck, inner child healing parts therapy, and the clearing of general generational trauma.
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But what makes her work distinct is this.
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She does not simply address the symptoms.
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She guides people into deeper layers of consciousness.
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Where patterns are formed, beliefs are stored, and where true transformation begins today, we can explore what it truly means to be a human consciousness guide and how healing becomes possible when we move beyond coping.
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And into awakening.
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Carrie, welcome such a gift to have you with us here on the show today.
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Thank you for being here.
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Thank you for all that you do, Denise.
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It's fabulous.
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Thank you.
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We have to dig right in.
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What does a human consciousness guide do?
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What is that?
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So the best way to describe it, it, it is someone that will sit with you and hear your pain story.
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What's going on, what's keeping you stuck?
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Is it, um, are you living a life of constant anxiety?
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Are you living a life of consistent fear and hyper vigilance and, and second guessing yourself?
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Unable to trust other people.
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Like really what is going, going on.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I listened to your story and I kind of.
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Really hear the words that you choose.
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'cause the words that you choose.
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Help me to decipher and decode what is your set point.
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And so if you are a person that constantly has anxiety and fears, you are set at the set point of 100, which is where you're restless.
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Irritability, you're withdrawn.
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Nervousness, guarded, suspicious, worry, war.
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You know, fear fail.
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You second guess yourself often, and I figure out, was this a learned behavior that was modeled by your parents?
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Mm.
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You know, and I always say it was unintentional and unconscious.
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Sure.
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You know, our parents don't say like, Ooh, I'm gonna be clean you up to me, so I can't wait to ruin this child's life, you know?
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No, they don't.
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Yeah.
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And even though we might think or perceive that, oh, they were horrible parents, no, they probably did the best that they could because Right.
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Their childhood was way worse than yours was.
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Mm.
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And so it's really opening up that, think about it as you're stuck in a dark room.
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Mm-hmm.
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And you cannot find the door out to happiness and just peace of mind.
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And what I do is I walk you up the steps to shift your perspective by putting light in that dark room.
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Mm-hmm.
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And you'll go like, oh.
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I never thought about that.
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Oh, I could see it that way.
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Oh, that could be a possibility.
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So a good example is, mm-hmm.
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I met a gentleman, um, several months ago.
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I've only, I've only had to work with him three times, but when he came to me, he had such bad anxiety that me being an intuitive empath, his energy even bugged me.
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Mm-hmm.
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I mean, it was like.
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Like, yes.
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Yep.
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I found out that that was what you would consider generational trauma.
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It was passed down by, by his great-grandmother.
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His mother displayed the same extreme anxiety behaviors always, you know, like fearful and hypervigilant that he just absorbed it all like a sponge.
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Yeah, fall in.
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And so when I did a hypnosis process with him, I spoke with that little wounded boy that was always so scared and frightened, and I educated it and I let it know that, hey, this isn't your authentic self.
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This was just passed down.
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And I wanted to heal it and give it a new job.
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A new job where yes, you can be grounded, balanced, and centered in the face of chaos.
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Mm.
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The where you can respond instead of react.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it was amazing.
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And so after I recorded it, I told the gentleman, listen to this for 30 days.
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Okay.
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And you're rewiring your brain.
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I mean, when you think about it is you have this wire here that is all anxiety, fear, fear, fear.
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And what you're doing is you're deadening and deactivating it.
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Okay?
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And you're creating a new positive one.
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So each time you listen, you're creating that neuro pathway that synapsis and you want it to anchor in, right?
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So that becomes the main personality.
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Okay?
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Yep, yep.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And so the second time I saw him, it was like he was a completely different guy.
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I was just like, wow, isn't that, and he, and it was great because then he was at the point of wanting to look at his relationships and why my relationships aren't working.
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Yeah.
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So then we.
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Unpacked that.
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Right.
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You know, this is why, and you have to, and for him it was all about his self-worth.
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Mm-hmm.
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He was picking people that would kind of dominate the relationship.
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And I'm like, no, you're in your fifties.
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Should be, what do you want?
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How do you wanna be loved?
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You know, what does intimacy mean to you?
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Right.
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So we worked on that.
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And it was so great.
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And I remember getting a, a text from him one day going, now I know what you mean about know my worth and my value.
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Aw.
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And yes.
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And, and even though, you know, some people say, wow, this guy's in his fifties.
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I'm like, it's never too late.
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Oh, thank you for that.
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Thank you for that.
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It's never too late because now he's having healthy relationships.
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Yes.
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He knows what unconditional, genuine love is instead of superficial love.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it's really helping people unpack the things that are holding'em back in life to really thrive and, and be the best version of yourself.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Do you find that the people that come to you are extreme like that?
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Or do you have others who are like, I just need, I know there's that feeling, there's something more for me and I can't access it.
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Can you help me figure that out?
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Oh, yeah.
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I've had people come that.
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Um, experience toxic relationships and put so many walls around them, but now the walls don't serve a purpose.
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Right.
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But they know how to dismantle them.
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Yep.
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And I help'em dismantle the walls.
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There's some people that, um, had um, narcissist abuse and Yeah.
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And that was extreme for them.
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And they don't know what is a healthy relationship and they question.
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Can I have a healthy relationship?
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Can I find real love?
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'cause all I've found is, you know, rotten apples.
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Yeah.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so it, it really is, you know.
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There's many different areas that people, you know, come to me and, and want help.
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But the beauty is, is when I see them again, it's like they're a completely different person.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it just makes my, my heart beam because it's like, no, this is a gift you gave yourself.
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Yes, exactly.
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It was within you.
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Yes.
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I was a catalyst.
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Right.
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Yes.
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That's why I say I'm the tour guide.
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You are the one, the journey.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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Yeah.
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Great way to put it.
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Yeah.
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Great way to put it.
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Because a tour guide, everybody hears the same information, but everybody absorbs it differently because they're in different spots in terms of their journey.
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Right.
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Right.
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And that's why I called it a human consciousness guide.
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I didn't wanna call it a coach'cause I'm not coaching you.
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Right.
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I'm guiding you and, and you having those aha moments, you going, oh, I didn't realize that.
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Yeah.
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And then deciphering, okay, what works for you?
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And it's amazing.
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'cause I remember one guy that.
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W was married to a narcissistic woman.
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She did horrible things for, he like wanted to forgive her so bad.
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Mm.
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And he was in his seventies.
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Mm-hmm.
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And in 20 minutes I took him from the place of regret and guilt and anger all the way up to love and joy.
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And he was like, I, he was laughing.
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He's like, what did you just do?
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And I, and I said, I shifted your perspective.
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And he is like, oh my God, I can actually forgive her now.
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And I said, yes, you really can.
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You don't need to hold onto that resentment'cause that resentment clouds your perspective when you're trying to date someone new.
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Right.
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Totally.
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I could see how that would happen.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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So you tap into, I'm just getting this incorrect in my mind, you tap into the subconscious, so the people that come to see you are not necessarily doing the heavy lifting for the work.
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In some, well, you look at it is, think about it is we're lifting stones.
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Think about you're in a garden and you're lifting up rocks, and there's little secrets and hidden stuff under the stones.
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Okay, so we're kind of, you think about it, you're lifting a stone up and you're going, well, like for example, what was your, what was your ex-wife's life like?
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Like what was her childhood like?
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You know, and, and really shifting it to where you get out of the victim mentality.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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And you get into the perspective of everybody has a story, everybody has a journey.
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And the beauty of it is, I tell people at the end of it, it's just information.
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Because that was what, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, how many years ago?
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It's just information.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And now you have a choice to decide what do I wanna do with that information?
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Do I want it to still cloud my judgment?
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Right.
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And, you know, my perception of the world, or am I ready to let it go?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Love that.
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Love that.
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Yeah.
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And do you find that people, um, tend to.
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Go to the ladder, letting it go.
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I wanna let it go.
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That's why I'm here.
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I want to help myself.
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Right.
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A lot of people wanna let it go, and sometimes mm-hmm.
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I give people homework and I, and I, mm-hmm.
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It's like, for example, one gentleman.
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He loved his wife so much and they, they got divorced because she wa she became a, a drug addict and she was hiding her addiction from him for years.
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And he wanted to be that white knight and save her, but he couldn't.
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And I said to her.
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While she's teaching you one the hardest lesson, we all as humans have to learn.
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That's unconditional love.
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Yeah.
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And two, she's your greatest teacher, so can you see what gifts she gave you?
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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And at first he was so puzzled, like, what do you mean what gifts she gave me, right?
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And I said, well, you just sat here and told me that.
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Um, you're a religious guy.
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You're, you're a Christian, and before, you know, meeting her, God was like, you ordering takeout, and now because of this horrible experience you went through, you.
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Pray every day you walk hand in hand with God.
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That's a gift.
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Mm-hmm.
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That is a beautiful thing.
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Even though it came out from a horrible situation.
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Right.
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That's a gift, you know?
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And he looked at it and I said, and what else has she taught you?
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She's taught you.
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Healthy boundaries.
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She's taught you what is unconditional love instead of conditional love.
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She taught you to know your worth and your value.
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You know, look at all the gifts she gave you, right?
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Yeah.
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And that's the, the thing is you get out of that victim mindset, you know, and I said, and count your blessings.
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You're not her.
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Right?
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So instead of praying, you know that she, you know.
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Just pray that she finds her way.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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'cause and I, and I said that's the biggest thing I teach people too, is you gotta step out of the human experience.
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Yes.
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And into the soul experience because your soul is here on earth to learn lessons.
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Mm-hmm.
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Everybody is a teacher and student for one another.
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Mm-hmm.
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So what is she here to teach you?
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I love that lens.
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It's a perfect lens.
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Yeah, it is.
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Because when we get stuck in the human lens, it's all emotion.
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It's all, you know.
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Ugh.
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Yeah.
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But it's like no step out of it.
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It's here.
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So you evolve.
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Right, right.
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It has a purpose, doesn't it?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And as soon as we learn, learn the lesson, it's gone.
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Yeah.
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Because as you know, if you don't learn the lesson, it's gonna repeat, repeat, repeat.
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And it's horrible when it repeats.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I'm smiling with my hand up.
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Yep.
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I've had a few repeat lessons and I know there's more in the horizon.
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Yes, they are.
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It's never ending.
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Yeah.
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And, and nor should it be.
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Yes, because my feeling and belief system is when I stop learning, then it will be my last breath.
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Let's hope.
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That's how my life continues, right?
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Because that's who I am at the core.
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I'm a person who always loves to learn.
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The hardest learning, I think, sometimes is those lessons because we are blinded, we are so close to the situation that it gets so bad that we get woken up, right?
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Yes.
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But I always say without great chaos, there cannot be great change.
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Mm.
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Love that.
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I love your sayings.
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Yeah.
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And so it just, it, yeah, it, it has to, it has to happen, and it's like.
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You're kind of being forced to wake up.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, wake up and smell the coffee, wake up to, you know, the reality of really what's going on.
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Yeah.
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And because here's the truth, we can gaslight ourselves.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh, huge.
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Even people with toxic positivity can gaslight themselves.
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Yes.
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I mean, I've worked with one client that she was so positive, so wonderful, but when I told her, you keep gaslighting yourself, and she didn't know what it was, and when she looked it up, she literally broke down crying, going, oh my God.
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You're right.
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You're right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, I know you want everything to be roses and everything to be beautiful, but let's be honest, there's jerks in this world.
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There's unkind people in this world.
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Yeah.
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And they're here to teach you to set healthy boundaries.
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Yeah.
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To speak your truth.
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Not out, not out of fear, but out of strength and purpose.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Exactly, and that's why we do this show, to bring this information to our audience so that people can see.
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In particular, I find women in midlife, our core audience.
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I always wonder, is there a reason why our.
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Physicality hits certain milestones at certain points so that we get to take that pause and reflection when our body's going crazy with all the hormones.
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That's our time to, you know, whoa, start to give back to yourself.
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Start to remove yourself from everybody else's life and look at yourself as a person now, and now is your time to shine and do what is best for you.
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In this journey of life.
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Right?
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So like, I'm curious.
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Well, and, and get the mi out of the mindset that it's selfish to do that.
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Oh my gosh, that is huge.
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So many women are programmed conditioned to think that, no, you're being selfish if you do that.
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And I'm like, who sold you that Lie?
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Yeah, it's, and it's so true.
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I believe it was Abraham Hicks in one of her multiple hundreds of thousands of sessions.
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She does, um, talked about people who'd say, well, you're being selfish and what are they asking for your time?
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It's like, whoa.
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Yeah.
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There's a good mirror.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Well, yes, and people project their issues upon us.
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Hmm.
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And it's really learning to know.
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I always tell people know the key words about toxic people, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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What, what is gaslighting?
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Stonewalling, undermining, you know, projecting, when you know all that.
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Mm-hmm.
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And you then see it being displayed.
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You're like, oh my gosh, they've been doing this to me all along, and I had no clue.
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Right.
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Right.
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And, and isn't it beautiful that they can now see it for what it is and be able to respond, like you say, and not react.
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Yes.
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And I, and I tell people, of course, at first you will get angry.
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I mean, who, who doesn't Well, but don't stay in that mindset of anger, you know, rise up out of it and be like, okay, what, you know now that I have this information.
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Yes.
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What, what's the best path forward for me?
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And there it is right there.
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There's the icing on the cake.
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What is the best path forward for me?
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Me?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So we do this work for you by you because of you, not for anyone else.
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Well, and when you think about it, when you do this work.
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Your whole world changes.
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Yeah.
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You are a happier person.
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The people around you see you're happier.
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You're now thriving.
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You wake up in the morning with purpose and meaning, and, and you feel good about the world instead of waking up, and you're just bitter and angry and resentful.
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Yeah.
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And we know when that carries on that that dense negative energy, it will impact our bodies because it holds energy in our bodies and then we become sick.
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So become your own worst enemy.
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So it's like we are trying to show you the power of taking control and taking the steps forward to move your life and do things for you by you because of you, like I mentioned.
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Yeah.
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Well, yes, you're a hundred percent because it is what I like to say, dis-ease.
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It's a dis-ease.
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You have all this dense, trapped, negative emotions within you.
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It festers and then it does form an illness.
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I mean, the perfect book I use all the time is the secret language of your body.
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And this woman, um, had so many health issues mm-hmm.
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That she connected with divine healing intelligence and cured herself.
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Yep.
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It's a fabulous, amazing book and whenever I work with anyone with health conditions, I pull out that book and I read them.
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Here's the probable cause.
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Yes.
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Love that.
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For those, for those of you who are watching on YouTube, it's, it is called The Secret Language of Your Body, the Essential Guide to Health and Wellness by Ina Segal.
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It's my Bible.
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Well, you saw I just pulled it up from, yeah.
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From above my head.
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It is very powerful and, um, it, it all makes sense when we look at.
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Look at our lifetime trajectory, the way that you've been explaining it and sharing it here.
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Totally.
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Because once you clear it, it's like you have more energy, you feel better.
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I mean, it's so amazing.
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Well, and it lines in too, you know.
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Um, the placebo effect.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, if you really, really believe that I can transform my body and all of, all of this, I mean, even that book, the secret language of, you know, of, of water, you know, the power of water.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, if you wanna make that experiment where you bless your water and stuff, I mean, heck do it.
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Right.
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I mean, our.
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I mean, the water is alive, the molecules and all of that.
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You know, we, there's so amazing things that we can, we can do.
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It's just fabulous.
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Yeah.
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And we don't when we don't know, but once we get the knowledge, once we become informed, we can make different choices that benefit us long term.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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Yeah.
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Is there anything that we, I mean, there's so much we've talked about and I know there's so many other pieces that we've missed, but is there anything you would love to leave our audience with as we get ready to close our conversation today?
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I think the biggest thing is, you know, especially for women, as our bodies are changing and the hormones and we.
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Gain those extra pounds and our hair gets thinner and mm-hmm.
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And all, and we get lines and all that stuff, is to really just show yourself grace.
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Mm.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think that's the most important thing because all of us, you know, when we were in our, our twenties or whatever, thought, oh, I'll never be overweight.
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You know, oh, I'll, I'll always be this, I'll always be that.
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But you know, things happen.
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Yeah.
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You know, accidents happen.
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You know, I mean mm-hmm.
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We, things always happen and so I tell people, just give yourself a little bit of grace.
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Be kind and gentle and patient with you as you would your best friend, and talk to yourself.
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Please talk to yourself as you would someone you love and adore.
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Because we at times can be our worst enemy and say the most horrific, horrible things to ourselves and our body does listen.
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Yeah, it does respond.
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So when we have these transitions and changes, look at it is your justifying wine.
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Mm-hmm.
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I love that.
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You're getting better with, you're getting better with age and yeah.
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And enjoy it really?
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And, and enjoy it.
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I mean, because people ask, well, my husband and I, there's this game we do.
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Like, would you rather, and one of the questions was, would I rather, um, be immortal when I was 22 years old and have the mindset of a 22-year-old, or would I rather wait until I'm 40?
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And have the mindset, you know, and that of a 40-year-old, and both my husband and I were like, oh, 40.
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Nope.
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Yep.
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Yes.
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Oh, I was still stupid when I was in my twenties.
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It's amazing how, um, wisdom comes with maturity and experience, right?
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Yes, yes.
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And, and I think we get to hold that with care and compassion, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Instead of deflecting it and trying to change it, because the reality is everybody ages every day, so Oh, yeah.
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It's what we do.
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It's life.
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It's how it works, and what a blessing to be able to be in your forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties.
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Like what a blessing to wake up to see the next day.
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Because as we know, many people don't get that opportunity.
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So if you look at it like you shared before, look at it through a different lens, a possibility your whole world will change with you, you know, without having to do a whole lot.
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Yeah, it's true.
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And I just to let your listeners know too.
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Mm-hmm.
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I offer a free 15 minute consultation.
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You wanna talk to me and just see like, Hey, am I a good match?
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Check?
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Great.
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If I feel like I'm not a good match, I will tell you, well, these are your options, or this is, you know, listen to this or, you know, um, I recommend this book or, or try that, but Wonderful.
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Yeah.
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I'm just, I'm here to make the world a better place.
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So.
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And we are so grateful because of it.
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We'll have all of your contact information in the show notes, so make sure you jump into the show notes to grab that 15 minute consultation.
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You don't wanna miss out on that.
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Thank you.
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And there's lots of free images on the websites too.
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There's Yeah, free meditations.
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There's a lot of free stuff for people to try.
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Wonderful.
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Thank you so much for being here today, Carrie, and sharing with us, and I want to share before we close something very gently and clearly at the same time.
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So this November I will be hosting a live in-person experience and we're calling it Ignite the Inner Uprising.
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It's a two day immersive gathering.
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For 1200 women in midlife years, women who are feeling a quiet pull towards something more truthful, more embodied, more fully their own.
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Ignite is an extension of these types of conversations that we have on Thrive after 45.
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It's where reflection becomes embodiment, where insight becomes integration, where women who have held so much for others.
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Gather to stand fully in their own sovereignty.
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So if something in today's conversation stirred in you, if your body started to lean in.
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That may not be accidental.
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The wait list is now open, so if Ignite feels like something your future self would thank you for.
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I invite you to add your name.
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The link will be in the show notes, and as always, follow share.
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Like give us a review so that more women can find these powerful, incredible conversations.
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There is a place for us to gather.
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Have a wonderful day.
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Thank you again, Carrie, for your brilliance and sharing, and let's thrive after 45.