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The Late Debate | 27 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, they'll wait to bait.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Good evening and thanks for your company. I'm James Macpherson
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  Speaker 3: with Caleb Bond and filling in for Liz Store, who's unwell.
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  Speaker 3: All the best, Liz. We hope you're feeling better. Is
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  Speaker 3: Deanika Georgio. Great to have you on the Late Debate?
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  Speaker 4: Beneka, Yeah, great to join the team tonight.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like this feels like a real invasion. Wow here, Well,
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  Speaker 1: because you have Denika and James at seven pm on
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday, and then following that is the Sunday show
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  Speaker 1: Down hosted by Moir, and you're not happy with having
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  Speaker 1: a show on Sunday before me. Now you're mustling in
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  Speaker 1: or most.
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  Speaker 5: Basically tonight, this is Denika and James plus that other
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  Speaker 5: bloke Taylor Pom tonight.
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  Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, as you think Deanika's joking,
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  Speaker 3: but she was really serious about that brief show.
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  Speaker 6: So we said no, no, it's the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a lot coming up tonight, including is there
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  Speaker 3: ever a good excuse for a postman not to deliver
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  Speaker 3: a package? We think we've found one, will show you
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  Speaker 3: a little later. Plus when we look at what's making
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  Speaker 3: news tomorrow. So sex offenders accessing the ndis putting carers
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  Speaker 3: at risk, and Immigration Minister Tony Burke takes his citizenship
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  Speaker 3: Bernanza on the road he's touring. Apparently we'll get to
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  Speaker 3: all of that shortly, but first I got to ask
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  Speaker 3: you tell me again, please, why we pay SBS to
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  Speaker 3: broadcast the broadcasters.
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  Speaker 6: Big story this week was about Virgin Airlines.
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  Speaker 3: What's happening with Virgin, you ask, Well, the airlines ticketing
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  Speaker 3: system only allows people taking pride flights to the game
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  Speaker 3: in lesbian Mardi Gras to book as male or female Q.
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  Speaker 6: SBS outrage. May day Virgin Airlines took.
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  Speaker 3: Off with only two genders assume the crash position. SBS
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  Speaker 3: think this is a terrible breach of human rights. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: they actually reported, and I quote the booking system which
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  Speaker 3: means you've got a book as a man or a woman,
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  Speaker 3: means some LB LGBTQ plus community members are effectively exclude
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  Speaker 3: from flying.
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  Speaker 6: Now, of course that's not true.
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  Speaker 3: You could just book as your biological sex and leave
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  Speaker 3: your identity at the door. But SBS are all over this,
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  Speaker 3: and so they went to Virgin with this pressing human
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  Speaker 3: rights issue, and you can imagine how Virgin Airlines reacted.
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  Speaker 3: They were incredibly apologetic and said, look, we're trying to
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  Speaker 3: fix it.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what they said.
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  Speaker 3: A spokesperson for Virgin told SBS News the airline was
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  Speaker 3: committed to creating an inclusive experience for all guests, including
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  Speaker 3: members of the LGBTQIA plus community. As part of this,
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  Speaker 3: we are working to modify the booking process to accommodate
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  Speaker 3: individuals who do not wish to have their gender displayed
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  Speaker 3: as part of their travel journey. I got to tell you,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a lot of sympathy for Virgin Airlines. Not
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  Speaker 3: only do they have to spot three Chinese warships in
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  Speaker 3: the Tasman, they also have to spot seventy two genders.
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  Speaker 3: SBS were not satisfied though, with this, because it's a
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  Speaker 3: bigger story, see than just Virgin, So they went to
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  Speaker 3: Quantas to see what's happening with you and Quantus of
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  Speaker 3: course apologize that their ticketing system also insists to either
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  Speaker 3: a man or a woman. But Quantus did say they
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  Speaker 3: understand the importance of this issue and they're working to
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  Speaker 3: fix it as a matter of priority. So now you
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  Speaker 3: know how to get priority at Quantus. SBS also went
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  Speaker 3: to Rex Airlines to find out what's going on with
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  Speaker 3: you guys, and Rex Airlines never replied. I suppose it's
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  Speaker 3: because they're kind of busy with administrators rather than gender vendors.
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  Speaker 3: Commercial aircraft aren't mid air clubs that exist to affirm
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  Speaker 3: your identity. That they're actually public transport vehicles, and sometimes
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  Speaker 3: they get hijacked, even used as weapons, and so having
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  Speaker 3: correct identification of passengers is a really important issue of
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  Speaker 3: all the aviation stories in the world right now. For
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  Speaker 3: SBS with our money to think this is the big
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  Speaker 3: one they need to focus on.
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  Speaker 6: Is just rubbish.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing stuff. I'll tell you why Rex didn't respond.
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  Speaker 1: It's because they couldn't give two hurts to be perf
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing I love about Rex.
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  Speaker 1: When they were flying between the capital cities, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have any acknowledgment of country, none of them. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: Rex Airlines is basically an arm of the National Party
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  Speaker 1: if you look at their board. So it's actually quite
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  Speaker 1: nice to fly with them. It's a breath the fresh air.
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  Speaker 1: But reading this story, right, I mean, I cannot get
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  Speaker 1: over the histrionic language that was used in this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Amy Hall was the journalist.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether she was put up to this
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  Speaker 1: by chief of staff or whether she actually did this
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  Speaker 1: off her own bat, but for him and say, let
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  Speaker 1: me furnish you with how this article begins. Virgin Australia
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  Speaker 1: has operated dedicated Pride flights to Sydney for Mardi Gras
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  Speaker 1: every year since twenty twenty one, and yes, this is
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  Speaker 1: the thing they do. They raise money for Mardi Grau,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. The special services are touted by the airline
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  Speaker 1: as a celebration of diversity and inclusion, but a feature
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  Speaker 1: of Virgin Australia's booking system means some members of the
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  Speaker 1: LGBTQ community are effectively excluded from taking part. Despite every
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  Speaker 1: Vergin Australian passenger being required to select a gender and
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  Speaker 1: title when they book a flight, the airline does not
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  Speaker 1: offer any gender neutral options for either category. Customers can
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  Speaker 1: only choose male or female for their gender, and there
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  Speaker 1: is no way to select the gender neutral title mus MX,
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  Speaker 1: meaning that when six and gender diverse passengers make a
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  Speaker 1: booking with the airline, they're forced to pick an option
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  Speaker 1: that may not match their identity. If that's the worst
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  Speaker 1: thing you've got going on in your life, then you've
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  Speaker 1: got a pretty bloody good life.
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  Speaker 4: I have to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're upset that you cannot choose the
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  Speaker 1: prefix you want when you are booking a flight, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I can't begin to imagine how.
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  Speaker 4: Difficult life crying is upset.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when people insist that they have doctor put
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  Speaker 1: on their plane ticket. Right, They're not an actual doctor,
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  Speaker 1: They've got no medical qualify and there is just a PhD.
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  Speaker 4: But I must be called.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor all the time. It doesn't matter for Hiven's sake.
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  Speaker 1: They're not actually asking your gender, which might be some
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  Speaker 1: would say a social construct. It how you feel in
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  Speaker 1: the world. They're asking for your sex. And there are
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  Speaker 1: only two sexes, male and female. And it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: what you do to the external parts of your body,
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  Speaker 1: the chromosomes inside you will never change. You are male
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  Speaker 1: or you are female. That is all they're asking for.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, you see, they're looking into how
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  Speaker 1: to change their ticketing Systemaly, you're quite difficult. You can
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  Speaker 1: have all, they say. They've been looking at it since
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Yes, they started a working group in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to work out how people could buy
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  Speaker 1: a ticket without being a mister mus or missus. It's
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  Speaker 1: just real.
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  Speaker 5: But has anybody ever heard of the term mix MX?
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  Speaker 5: This was the first time I've ever heard of an.
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  Speaker 4: M What are you an MX?
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  Speaker 6: I'm James McPherson.
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  Speaker 4: I can quite good.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous, is it not? Because
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  Speaker 5: this is Virgin tying itself in knots of guilt to
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  Speaker 5: accommodate a very small minority, a small portion.
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  Speaker 4: Of this population.
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  Speaker 5: Who well, what do they identify as ABCD, different parts
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  Speaker 5: of the alphabet on different days.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently mix.
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  Speaker 5: But what really gets me the most, and we'll talk
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  Speaker 5: about SBS in a moment, is of all of the
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  Speaker 5: priorities of airliners in this day and age, so not
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  Speaker 5: to delays, making sure that people get their destination from
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  Speaker 5: A to B on time, making sure you get your
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  Speaker 5: baggage on time, What about the cost of flights? No, No,
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  Speaker 5: of course, Virgin's priority has to be your gender, whether
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  Speaker 5: you are ab CD or MX, that is the priority. Now,
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  Speaker 5: as for the SBS, for goodness sake, going on a
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  Speaker 5: tour of airlines of sorts, finding out you know, what
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  Speaker 5: they feel, how they feel about your gender. Give me
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  Speaker 5: a brave because you know what, there are only two
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  Speaker 5: sexes in this world. And guess what, it can't be changed.
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  Speaker 5: It is a biological reality. So sorry SBS, sorry Virgin
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  Speaker 5: and the rest of them, you got it wrong.
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  Speaker 4: And I've got to say, Caleb, I was as shocked
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  Speaker 4: as you are. This working group's been going on.
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  Speaker 5: Since twenty and twenty it is now twenty and twenty five.
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  Speaker 5: How much money has been spent. I'd like to know
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  Speaker 5: on this working.
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  Speaker 4: Group and what exactly does it aim to achieve.
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  Speaker 6: It's been added to your ticket, no doubt it has been.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the reason it's taken so long is because you know,
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  Speaker 3: no one can tell you how many genders there are,
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  Speaker 3: so no their new system.
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  Speaker 6: Will never be up to date, will never be adequate.
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  Speaker 3: But I noticed that now the reporter was very selective too,
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  Speaker 3: because they reported, you know, what Air New Zealand are doing.
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  Speaker 3: They reported what United Airlines in the US are doing,
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  Speaker 3: but they didn't ask Qatar or Emirates Airlines what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Don't work out why.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't Qatar now moving into they're actually buying into.
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  Speaker 5: Buying into Virgin now, So I wonder the question for Qatar.
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  Speaker 5: Now this is a Middle East an airline. I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: do you so, what are the pronouns? What can people
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  Speaker 5: choose on their boarding certificate?
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  Speaker 4: I mean they are a Middle East An airlineer.
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  Speaker 5: I'd like to actually know what they think about that well.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing as well as you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you buy the ticket online and it says you can
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  Speaker 1: pay two or three dollars to you know, do a
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  Speaker 1: carbon offset on the ticket. If they just stopped all
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  Speaker 1: this hot air about genders, you would need to pay
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  Speaker 1: for the carbon offset because there would be no emissions
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  Speaker 1: on heir coming out of them, is what the emissions
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  Speaker 1: are for Heaven say, let's go over to the UK
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  Speaker 1: because Ramadan starts today. Of course, the Islamic festival. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you've heard of it before. Muslim's feast, so they
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  Speaker 1: don't feast during the day. I think they wish they
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  Speaker 1: were feasting during the day. They're fast during the day
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  Speaker 1: and then they feast in the evening for a month.
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  Speaker 1: And to celebrate this, the defender of the faith, the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Governor of the Church of England, King Charles himself,
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  Speaker 1: decided that he would pack up some goods to send
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  Speaker 1: off for Ramadan. Here is King Charles and Queen Camilla
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  Speaker 1: packing dates.
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  Speaker 7: You are.
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  Speaker 1: Now, look, I don't know that i'd want King Charles
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  Speaker 1: to touch my date, but they tweeted packing dates at
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  Speaker 1: dar Jealing Express. Traditionally, dates are eaten as the first
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  Speaker 1: food to break the fast at sunset during Ramadan. Their
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  Speaker 1: Majesty's help pack dates that will be sent to local
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  Speaker 1: hospitals for if Tar during the holy month. And you
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  Speaker 1: might wonder, why is the man who took an oath
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  Speaker 1: when he became the king that he would maintain the
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  Speaker 1: settlement of the Church of England and the doctrine, worship,
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  Speaker 1: discipline and government thereof as by law established. Why is
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  Speaker 1: the man who is effectively at the top of the
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  Speaker 1: Anglican Church, the Church of England cow twing to Muslims
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  Speaker 1: in the UK right now? Well, maybe it has something
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  Speaker 1: to do with the fact that the UK Muslim population
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  Speaker 1: is nearly seven percent. Six point seven percent was what
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  Speaker 1: turned up in their census in twenty twenty one. That
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  Speaker 1: is more than double the Muslim population in Australia, which
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  Speaker 1: also in twenty twenty one sat at three point two percent.
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  Speaker 1: And in London, of course, the capital city and Greater London,
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  Speaker 1: the general area of London, the Muslim population accounts for
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  Speaker 1: fifteen percent of people. In the West Midlands, it's nine
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  Speaker 1: point six percent. In Yorkshire it's eight point one percent.
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  Speaker 1: In the Northwest it's seven point six percent. So is
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  Speaker 1: it any wonder that when you have such a large
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  Speaker 1: Muslim population, look literally double what it is in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: And if we're talking about fifteen percent of the population
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  Speaker 1: of London, I mean, that would be like I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to think of the best comparison I could make. Bankstown
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  Speaker 1: is probably the closest I can get, even though it's
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  Speaker 1: closer to twenty twenty five percent in Bankstown, but imansion,
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  Speaker 1: Bankstown in Sydney is what London is in the UK,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most recognizable cities in the world. You
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  Speaker 1: think of England, you think of London and the population
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  Speaker 1: of London, fifteen percent of which is now Muslim. Is
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  Speaker 1: it any wonder that this bloke who's meant to be
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  Speaker 1: a representative of the Church of England now has to
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  Speaker 1: bend over backwards to look after everyone else's rule.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't have to bend over backwards. But I mean,
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  Speaker 3: why don't they just go and replace Saint Paul's with
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  Speaker 3: a mosque. They might as well. Charles is meant to
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  Speaker 3: be the defender of the faith, he just seems very
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  Speaker 3: confused about which faith he's supposed.
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  Speaker 6: To be defending.
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  Speaker 3: To be tolerant of other religions, as Christianity is because
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  Speaker 3: it teaches that God gives us free will, doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: you have to promote other religions, especially when the other
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  Speaker 3: religion you're promoting is diametrically opposed to the one you
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  Speaker 3: swore to defend. The media described this exhibition by the
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  Speaker 3: King and the Queen is heartwarming. Well, that's the sort
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  Speaker 3: of thing that's said by people who think with their
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  Speaker 3: emotions and reason with their feelings. You can't believe that
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  Speaker 3: Christianity and Islam are both true. Either one is true
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  Speaker 3: and one is false, or both are false. But Christianity
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  Speaker 3: and Islam can't both be true because they're completely contradictory.
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  Speaker 3: And especially at Ramadan, which King Charles, a defender of
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  Speaker 3: the Christian Church, describes as a holy month. Ramadan is
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  Speaker 3: when Muslims celebrate the fact that Mohammad received of Koran
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  Speaker 3: as a divine revelation, and the Koran teaches that Jesus
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  Speaker 3: is a man, a very good man, but just a man.
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  Speaker 3: He's not God in flesh, as Christianity teaches, and so
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  Speaker 3: these two religions are diametrically opposed. So for Charles to
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  Speaker 3: call Ramadan a holy month shows he either understands nothing
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  Speaker 3: of what it is he's supposed to defend, or, as
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  Speaker 3: you suggest, Caleb, maybe he's given up. He's slipped the
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  Speaker 3: wind and thought, well, I know which way this is going,
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  Speaker 3: so I'll get on board with what he believes will
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  Speaker 3: be the winning team. This is a real problem for
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  Speaker 3: the UK, and I think represents everything that's wrong with
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  Speaker 3: the UK because those in charge don't seem to know
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  Speaker 3: what they believe or what they stand for, and they're
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  Speaker 3: clueless about what they're supposed.
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  Speaker 6: To be defending. And I'll say one more thing.
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  Speaker 3: When he was packing those dates to send off to
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  Speaker 3: Muslim celebrating Ramadan, do you reckon?
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  Speaker 6: It occurred to him to mention.
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  Speaker 3: That just two weeks ago, seventy Christians were slaughtered to
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  Speaker 3: death in the Congo by people of well, you know
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  Speaker 3: who I'm talking about. I don't think he mentioned that
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  Speaker 3: though he's the defender of the Christian faith, but that
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  Speaker 3: detail probably has slipped his mind.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he was not going to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Was he was not going to call out Islam. He's
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  Speaker 5: not going to do any of that. And I've got
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  Speaker 5: to say, what on earth is a Christian king. Let's
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  Speaker 5: not forget he attends church services quite regularly. What on
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  Speaker 5: earth is a Christian king, the defender of the faith
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  Speaker 5: doing partaking in a Ramadan service.
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  Speaker 4: When a king who is a Christian.
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  Speaker 5: Takes part in Ramadan, he really tells you everything you
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  Speaker 5: need to know about where the UK is heading. And
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  Speaker 5: really it shows that British traditions are dead, they have
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  Speaker 5: gone by the wayside. When you've got the monarchy which
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  Speaker 5: is meant to be representing everything that Britain stands for,
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  Speaker 5: everything that Britain values, and you've got the king out
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  Speaker 5: partaking in this event, it just goes to show that
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  Speaker 5: this is now being favored, these multicultural events as opposed
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  Speaker 5: to genuine Christian values.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think it says a lot.
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  Speaker 5: About the British monarchy, which is constantly trying to reinvent itself.
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  Speaker 5: It's trying to modernize. When you where hip, we're young.
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  Speaker 5: I mean not that you can necessarily call the king
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  Speaker 5: and queen hip and young, but they are trying to
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  Speaker 5: now show this inclusivity in this new era of the monarchy.
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  Speaker 5: They're trying to embrace really every single festival under the sun,
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  Speaker 5: but as.
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  Speaker 4: A defender of the faith, stop packing.
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  Speaker 5: Dates for Ramadan for goodness sake, and start embracing your culture.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't call them young. You could maybe say they
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  Speaker 1: were titanium hip.
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  Speaker 4: Well they were titanium.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, they're obviously trying to trying to remain relevant.
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  Speaker 4: But the people they're trying to be part they're trying.
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  Speaker 5: To remain relevant in an era where people are obviously
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  Speaker 5: more and increasingly questioning the role of the monarchy in society.
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  Speaker 4: So they're going, look, we're in clothes they were including every.
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  Speaker 3: Single Let me ask you a question, who are they
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  Speaker 3: trying to be relevant to it, to the wewsome community,
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  Speaker 3: the wilesome community, and.
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  Speaker 6: Never can to embrace them money.
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  Speaker 5: But that's why it shows more about where the UK
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  Speaker 5: is heading. Where As Caleb said, you've got you know,
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  Speaker 5: seven percent here, twenty percent there.
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  Speaker 4: They're trying to bring all these cultures together.
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  Speaker 3: The irony is the group they're trying to appeal to
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  Speaker 3: will never love them and the people who instinctively love
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  Speaker 3: them they're leaving out of it. This is the working
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  Speaker 3: class Brits who've been brought up with British tradition, with
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  Speaker 3: the Judeo Christian ethic as what has made great Britain great,
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  Speaker 3: and they're just abandoning those people.
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  Speaker 6: No wonder there's so much upset in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Because the Church of England is considered the established church
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  Speaker 1: in England because it is intrinsically linked to the government
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  Speaker 1: and the legal system right unlike here in Australia, it
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  Speaker 1: is actually part of the system over there. And the
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  Speaker 1: queenspoke I think it was in twenty twelve about the
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  Speaker 1: concept of the established church in a country that now
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: has religious diversity, and she said the purpose of defending
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the established church is also to say that all people
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: are free to practice their religion. She didn't go so
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: far as to say they're also then expecting the monarch
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to practice their religion along with them. Surely you acknowledge
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that you are the defender of the faith, the Supreme
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Governor of the Church of England, and so that will
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: be that. I don't have a dog in the fight
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: because I'm irreligious, but I would find it rather odd
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: for a religious person who belongs to one religion to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: then start participating in the customs of another, Like do
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you think that your religion is the one true religion?
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Or are you saying, well, I don't know, maybe this
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: one could be all right if you think that one's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: all right? Or how could you possibly be the Supreme
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Governor of the Church of England. Surely you believe the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Church of England is it and the one and only.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's what I do agree.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I'm with you when it comes to the religion aspect
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: of it. But I just wonder people in the UK
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: watching the king taking part in Rabadan, are they going, oh,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: this is really worrying. Are they going, yate terrific? We
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: are a multicultural society. This is absolutely fantastic. But look,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: we've got to move on because I want to talk
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: about Pennywong, who was once again miserably failed us on
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: the world stage, as she has done since October seven,
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, abandoning long standing ally in Israel and
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Cleveland does not have the Australian values at heart, because
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: it's now been revealed that the Foreign Minister failed to
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: meet with Israeli representatives on a United Nations trip last year.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: But let me tell you who did Pennywong meet with. Well,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: she met with representatives from Iran. Yes, you heard that correct,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Iran as in one of the Western enemies, one of
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Australia's enemies. And she also met with the Palestinian authority.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Now let's not forget that authority supported the October seven
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: attacks when more than one thousand Jews were slaughtered, women
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: were tortured.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And rapes raped, and hostages were taken.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Yet Pennywong some somewhat light bulb moment went off and
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: she felt it would be appropriate to meet it, to
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: meet them, and she also, at the same time demanded
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: that the Jewish homeland hold its military actions against terror
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: groups Hummas and Hezbla. Now we've got some audio of
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Pennywong been asked about this in set of estimates, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: this is what she said.
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: Did you have any meetings with Israel Israeli's representatives or
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: ministers or leaders.
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: My recollection is the Foreign Minister of Israel did not attend.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: Had foreign minister attended, I would have had that opportunity.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Did you seek a meeting with Israel or Israel's representatives.
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: My counterpart didn't attend.
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think promised to Natao, who was there.
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: The Israeli permanent representative is obviously there.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: Or Senator I would usually engage with counterparts.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I mean the phone, the phone.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: What exactly were you looking at, Pennywong when you were
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: looking down your phone? Where you're looking back at your
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: calendar to find out who you met with on that
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: certain date. Now, remember when Pennywong called for restraints. Was
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: it restraint enough to catch up with Iran? With the
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Palestinian authority? Was it restraint enough to see the bodies
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: of the Bibas children in caskets being paraded through the
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: streets due and.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: With a baying mob around them. This is just I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: actually quite offended.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I think this is once again another example of Pennywong
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: selling out our values for votes on the world stage.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Iran is our enemy. Let's not forget that Iran is
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: the enemy of the world. The Palestinian authority supported the
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: terrorist attacks, and Pennywong wants herself shows us to be
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: completely out of depth on the world stage.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: At some point, you've got to ask yourself, is the
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: foreign Minister of this country and national security risk when
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: she would prefer to meet with Iran, who are the
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: major sponsors of terror in the Middle East. At the
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: time she met with Iran, they were helping their proxies
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Hamas and hes Beal a fight Israel, the only liberal
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: democracy in the Middle East and incidentally our ally. And
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: yet as I said, she preferred to meet with Iran
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: than with anyone from Israel. And so the other question
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: you've got to ask is whose interests does Pennywong actually
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: represent as our foreign minister. I certainly wouldn't suggest they
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: are mainstream Australian interests, and nor would I suggest that
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: they are Australian security interests, especially when you consider that
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the Director of ASIO recently said the biggest problem in
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: this country now in terms of national security is racism
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: directed towards a particular race, and that is towards Jews
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: in this country. Penniwong is only making it worse by
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: clearly showing the hand of this federal labor government that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: they are very much supportive.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Of Israel's enemies.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: There are now so many reasons to ditch this federal
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: labor government.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: I'm losing count of them.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm glad you started counting in the first place.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that was even necessary to be. We're
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: just liveing in it, right, But I mean, it's just
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: piss poor diplomacy, isn't it. If you're going to go
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to the UN and say, we believe that there must
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: be Palestinian statehood, and as she has said in her speech,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you know this is not just you know, a means
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to an end anymore. This is a central part of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: achieving piece, is that we will have Palestinian statehood. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you're willing to meet with Iran, and you're willing to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: meet with the Palestinian authority. Do you not owe it
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to Israel to go to them and say, look, this
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is what I believe, this is what I'm going to say.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You've given that courtesy to the people who are clearly
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: going to agree with you. You won't give that courtesy
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to the people who will disagree with you, and see
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you just rock up and will blindside them when I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: give the speech. Now that excuse she gives, Oh, well,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: their foreign minister didn't attend. Therefore, you know I couldn't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: possibly talk to anyone else that's like me saying, well,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I had a fine to pay, and I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: called up and that the bloke whose name was on
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the piece of paper wasn't there, and then there were
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: whiteing new well, I couldn't speak to the bloke who
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I was meant to talk to. I'm sure there's someone
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: else around, net Yah who was there, et cetera. She
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: could have made every attempt to talk to them, to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: meet with him, and she didn't do it. Maybe just
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit, Wong knows in her heart of hearts
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that this is a very hard message to sell. She
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: is selling the message of the labor left. I'm not
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: saying she doesn't believe in it. She does believe in it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But she is selling the message of the labor left
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that parts of her own party have major problems with.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And she can't if sorry, she can't even face up
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to defend her own point of view to an ally.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Seriously, don't forget when she went to Israel, she refused
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: to go and visit the scene of the October seven
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: attack as well. So she's got a history of avoiding
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: things that she would rather just not acknowledge. And you
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: pointed it out, Danika, watching that vision from her Incenter
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: estimates where she's answering questions while well on her phone.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Just for the stain for the process for having to
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: be accountable to the Australian public as foreign minister for
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: your behavior is just quite short.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Also if you are a Jewish Australian to watch the
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Foreign Minister out there on her phone like this, more
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: engaged in whatever's going on there than actually addressing what
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: were serious questions put to her by Dave Sharma. As
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: a Jewish Australian, you want to know the answer. You
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: want to know why she was not available, apparently to
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: meet with Israel on this important trip. It is another
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: betrayal of Jewish Australians by this labor government.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: She was on her phone reading El Jazeira.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Or or perhaps like our colleague Joe Hildebrand, she was
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: sitting there playing candy crap. I'm not sure which would
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: be worse, to be honest, but you know, I can't
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: meet with someone because my counterpar Please come on, you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: think we're going to buy that one? While we're talking
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: about Penny Wong, she's fronted up to send it estimates.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Of course, as you just saw, and we also got
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a bit of more information about what's been going on
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: with these Chinese warships. Now we know that they were
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: floating down the east coast of Australia last week. Then
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they had a live artillery exercise on Friday that we
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: learned of through Virgin Airlines because they were flying overhead
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and then phoned it through to Air Services Australia who
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: then phoned it through to the ADF. And then an
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: hour later the New Zealand military picked up on it
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and they phoned it through to the ADF. And at
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: no point during this did we Australia. There are only
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred kilometers offshore, We didn't know what was going on.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So we heard from Air Services Australia at senate estimates
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the other day, well yesterday the ADF rocked up. Admiral
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: David Johnston corroborated this version of events that the way
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: we learned about it was by a Virgin pilot flying overhead,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: hearing a message from the Chinese ships and sending it back.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: Take a look there was the notification was that call
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: that had made from when the firing window open, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: that in our view is inadequate notification as.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: Well, that's not inadequate it's after it started.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: The range and the radios depend on where the aircraft
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: is and where the transmitter is, so there may have
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: been earlier calls made from the vessels that the Virgin
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: aircraft had not heard.
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: I understand that. But what's the value of a notification
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: if it's not received, if it's not heard, And he.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Is Penny Wong essentially suggesting, yes, there it was notice. No,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: there wasn't because we relied on the Virgin pilot to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: realize it. But you know it could have been done
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a bit better.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: So we were provided advanced notes.
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: Both statements are correct.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: Is not the same thing to say we receive notice
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: and there was no advanced notice provided, which is what
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: you have said compared to what the Prime Minister has said.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: So it is correct that time I gave notice. We
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: have issues with the timeframe around that and the channel,
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: and we have expressed that to them.
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: How did they give notice if we only learned the
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: exercises after they had commenced.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It's a very good question, Senator Patterson. Look put it
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: this way. If I decide I'm going to come round
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to your place for dinner, and I tell you five
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: minutes after I walk through the front door that I've
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: come to your place for dinner. Would you consider that notice? No,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I think most of us would think notice would be
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to call up and say, hey, are you free for
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: dinner tonight? Not apparently, when the Chinese do things. As
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a reminder, this is what the Prime Minister said last Friday.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Well, China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it would be conducting these activities, including the potential.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Use of live fire.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: It is the case that the notice was given. When
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: that occurs, airlines are notified and stay out of the area.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Air Services Australia also has been informed.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a blatant lie. They didn't give notice
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that they would be doing it. They were already doing it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: We got notice quote unquote afterwards. They were simply telling
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: us what they were doing. And yet Wong and the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Defense Minister Richard Miles today were still running interference for
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. No, no, no, he got it right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: So it is correct that time I gave notice. We
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: have issues with the timeframe around that and the channel
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: and we have expressed that to them.
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: The Prime Minister made clear that there was a notification
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: from the Chinese, but in the same breath made clear
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: that that notification was inadequate.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, please inadequate. It came after the fact, mister Miles.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Miles went on to say that it wasn't a real incident.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what a real incident is.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And he also let us know that there has been
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: an Australian ship shadowing these Chinese ships, him as Steward.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So we and these things that are now down near
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: South Australia, they will be circumnavigating the country, they'll be
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: up around w A Nix, but we've had a ship
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: shadowing them, and we didn't know this was going on.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: We find out after the fact, and we still a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: week later have Wog and Males standing there saying notice
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was given, notification was given? How do they think we
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: believed that?
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Is there anybody in labor right now? One that has
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: any idea about national security? And two is there anybody
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: in labor who has actually any idea what's going.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: On right now? Full stop? Because what's clear.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Is the left doesn't know what the right's doing, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: the right doesn't know what the left's doing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: We now know that there was no warning.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Firstly, China gave no warning of these live fire drills,
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: which tells you everything you need to know about Beijing's
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: contempt for this. And they've got our poor old Elbow,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: the handsome boy from Australia exactly where they want the
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: handsome boy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: So this interrupt did you notice that, Elbow said, though
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: he said, oh, they said there was the potential of
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: live fire.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: There was a potential.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: But I was just going to say, then we've got
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: then it was alerted by a Virgin Australia passenger jet.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: And then you've got Elbow the other day on Friday, mumbling, fumbling,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: bumbling with his usual ah ah, basically saying that China
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: acted in accordance with practice, contradicting what we've got from
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: the Chief of the Defense Force. And then the most
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: hilarious part out of all this, and this is very serious,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: actually not funny.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: They trot Richard Miles.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Out today to do the television rounds, and Miles says, well,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: we don't actually know if they did conduct a live exercise.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, for goodness sake, is there anybody in labor
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: that could possibly provide Australia with a clear answer.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Do you know what's going on? Are we under threat,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: and if so, what are you going to do about it?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Because they're going round and rounding circles.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine if this happened in China's waters,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: If an Australian we conducted live fire exercises in Chinese.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Waters, it would be a disaster. They would be coming
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: after us.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Yet the Prime Minister, Miles, Wong and the rest of
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: the clown brigade are just bobbing it off.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: To each other and answer your question, is there anyone
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: in Labor there is? It's Kim Beasley, but unfortunately he's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: long gone.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Arguably the greatest Labor prime minister we never have had.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, this thing just gets worse. Right,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: So you mentioned Richard Miles, the Defense Minister. I mean
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: he said that Australia was providing unprecedented surveillance of these ships, and.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: I thought he was joking. But it is unprecedented.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: It's unprecedented to be surveilling ships and you learn that
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: they fired live rounds after the fact through second channels.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: That is unprecedented.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: No other country does surveillance like the Labor government does surveillance.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: But it gets even worse than that. He then says
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: he did not accept that New Zealand should have told
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the Australian Defense Force that there was live fire being
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: conducted between our two countries sooner than they did. It
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was like what ninety minutes after the event that eventually
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: New Zealand got around to telling us, And Richard Marles says, no, no,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: that's not a problem.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: I would have thought it was. And then he went
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: further again.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: And when journalists pointed out the obvious if this is
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: an exercise, what would have happened if it was for real?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And I don't accept that there's any comparison between that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: If it was a real situation, it will be completely different,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: which begs a question in what way?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: How?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And so this just goes from bad to worse and
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: we look like an absolute joke of a nation. The
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: United States, who are trusting us with their military secrets,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: remember regarding nukes and subs, must be watching this fiasco
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: thinking who the hell have we gotten to bed with
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: regarding it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Also, God help us, in the event of an actual war,
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: we would be screwed. If nobody knows what's actually going
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: on with a live fire exercise.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Well we would know after we were after I.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Mean they would be on our lands attacking us, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: then Albo.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Would go wead office.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: We weren't given notice. I think that we're going to
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: be attacked.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Well it was it was it last out of the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: night before I said, we find out because the local
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal people in w A put a couple of drones
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: up and worked out that they've been on land for
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: four days. But you know, you'd say, what must the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: US think of this? What do you think China thinks
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of this? I mean, they have proven the point right.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: All they had to do was send three ships down
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the coast, not even in the Australian waters international wards.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: They haven't done anywhere.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: They haven't done anything legally wrong. But that's sort of
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: beside the point, because we know what happens when we
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: fly around international airspace over the South China Sea. We
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: get fleas thrown at us. But that's by the bye.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But China and g must be sitting there going my god.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: We have scared the willies out of the people of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Australia and we have their government bending over backwards to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: pretend that there is nothing wrong with this. They have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: with those three ships, proven the point that we will
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: do anything to keep China happy. And I think that's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: probably the most important part of all of this is
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that they've just shown we can do whatever we want.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: There are no consequences for.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Three Chinese ships in the Tasman and it's at thee
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: ALBERSI who is all at sea?
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Did see we did that?
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Now we've got some really exciting news about Sydney's Woman
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: of the Year has been announced. Now you might be
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: at home thinking which woman has been given such an
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: esteemed honor to be named Sydney local Woman of the Year.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Actually the honor has been bestowed upon a biological man
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: who identifies as a woman.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: That's right. Their name is Brianna Skinner, who.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Has handed the award today by Independent MP Alex Greenwich,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: who said, quote Brianna's own experience of transitioning from male
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: to female highlighted to her the discrimination and bureaucratic discrepancies
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: that outdated New South Wales laws imposed on trans and
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: gender diverse people. Well, how wonderful is that? Firstly, I
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: would ask are there any women in the state of
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: New South Wales? Are we in a drought of women?
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Apparently they couldn't actually find any biological women for this exercise,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: So you're telling me that the best person for local
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Women of the Year was not a woman at all,
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: in fact a biological man. And as a woman myself,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I think this is just yet another example of the
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Leff's attempt to erase women in favor of men. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: let's talk about Alex Greenwich. He's doing this because of
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: his self id laws.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Which he rushed through. They rushed through parliament in New
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: South Wales last year under.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: The guise of equality, whereby if you are a man
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: and you identify as a woman, you wear a dress,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: you don't have to go on legally change a birth certificate.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: You can just waltz into a woman's chage room or
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: waltz into a woman's toilet with little girls and women
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: hanging around, no problems.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: That's perfectly legal.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: But that is where we are now in the state
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: of New South Wales, and quite frankly, it's offensive.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I think we have proven once and for all that yes,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in fact, men can do everything better, including being A
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: war happens while a bus. That's where we've come to network,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: giving all of that women's awards, where it all goes
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to men.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I mean that's true, right.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Misogyny used to say that, you know, men are better
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: than women. Now we say men are better women exactly.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: That's ultimate misogyny, right.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: But I mean think about this, right, So in New
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: South Wales, the Woman of the Year is a biological
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: man who was at the forefront of having men recognized
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: as women. I mean that is just astonishing. Alex Grimwich
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: said that this person is a trail blazer. Well, actually,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: this person is not a trailblazer at all. I mean,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: back in when was it twenty fifteen, Bruce Jenner was
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Glamour Magazine's Woman of the Year. In twenty twenty three,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the representative of Portugal and the representative of the Netherlands
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: at the Miss Universe contests were men identifying as women.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: This is not trail blazing, except in the fact that
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: it's absolutely burning every woman in New South Wales. It's
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: trailblazing in that regard. But there's something else going on
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: here as well, because Alex Greenich was keen to point
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: out that not only had this person helped to change
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the law making it easy to self identify, but this
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: person is the world Chile eating well competed at the
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: World Chile Eating Championships, and I'm reading the pross thinking
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and who cares? And then Alex Greenwich points out interestingly
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: it was held in South Carolina, which he then says
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: is part of the US Bible Belt. And here was
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Brianna proudly representing Australia and trans women. So it gives
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: you a little insight into Alex Greenwich's priorities here. He
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: likes the fact that this person helped change the laws
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: and also stuck it to the Bible Belt by being
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: a proud transgendered person over there in that competition.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Goodnesspection. I'll tell you what though, And Brianna Skinner, on
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the back of winning this award could also go for
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a job at the University of the Sunshine Coast because
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: they've advertised a position for I've got it written down
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: here and I've completely lost where is it in the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: engineering professor of engineering one hundred and eighty six grand
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a year for this role. But it has been reserved
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: by the university exclusively for women, including transgender women. So
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: there you go, so you can get that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: You can be I want to say that one more time,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: because that did not make any.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Sense has been reserved for women, including transgender.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Women, so it's not exclusively for women exactly.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You can be a male and get the job effectively.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: How ridiculous that a university could even post a job
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and they're allowed to do it legally under antidiscrimination laws
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: in Queensland because you can discriminate as long as it's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to end discrimination allegedly. But you put up a prestigious
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: job like this would say it's full women only. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: don't understand how that is actually legal.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to have to go to a break,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: but stick around. When we come back, we'll look at
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: what's making news tomorrow, including Immigration Minister Tony Burke takes
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: his citizenship extravaganza on the road.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: All of that and more in just a moment. Welcome back.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: A lot of things making news tomorrow.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: So let's look at the papers, Daniki, you've got the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I've got a Daily Telegraph front page of the telling tomorrow. Look,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: this is going to annoy a lot of people at
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: home caring for creeps. Two six hundred and ninety five
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: crooks and sex fiends are on the ndis. Yes, you
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: heard it correct, Violent criminals and possibly terrorists and sex
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: offenders are accessing NDIS services, with four hundred and ten
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: classified as high risk. A Senate Estimates Committee heard convicted
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: criminals are eligible for access to support like anyone else,
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: but Senator Linda Reynolds raised concerns about the safety of
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: NDO workers, citing the case of rapist Thomas Hoffer, who
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: advertised on Facebook.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: For young female support workers.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: This is another nail in the coffin for the National
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Disability Insurance Scheme. Now, let's not forget that this scheme
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: was originally designed for the most severely disabled Australians. It
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: absolutely had a purpose. But now not only is it
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: a behemoth, not only is there about forty percent of
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: participants with autism now on it, it already costs more
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: than Medicare.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: It's also going to soon outstrip Defense.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: But now we have a situation where creeps, high risk
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: criminals are also being able to access the NDIS. Bill
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Shorten left it in a mess. He's left it now
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: to the next minister in charge. All the very best,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: because this is costing taxpayers and arm and a leg
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: and we're funding these people to be on the Ndiica I.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Can just ask a simple question.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: If these people can't be trusted not to assault or
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: attack an NDIS paid for care, why are they not
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: still in prison? How were they released back into the community.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: It's not just NDIS workers. Is anybody safe from these people?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the point, right, But because you
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: can't legitimately say that a convicted criminal can't have access
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: to the same healthcare as everyone else, because if you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: follow that to its logical conclusion, you take all government
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: services away from anyone who's been convicted. But if someone
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: is that much of a risk to a healthcare worker,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: why are they walking around in the world. I mean,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: surely we are admitting that there is a problem with
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: their urgers or whatever their particular issue might be. It's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: not safe for anyone. It's not save for an NDIIS worker.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's safe for you or me or
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: anyone walking down the street, is it exactly?
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Tasmania where the Mercury has an interesting
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: front paid story about a couple of ferries that have
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: been ordered by the Tasmanian government.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: New lists claim for spirit, what's that helped me with
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: my Roman numerals?
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: Four?
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: In Leith reads the headline.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: The state government has failed to rule out leasing the
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Spirit of Tasmania to the Scottish government as a floating
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: refuge camp for displaced Ukrainians.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: Now, this is a great story.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: The Tasmanian government ordered, at a cost of nine hundred
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: million dollars to taxpayers, a couple of ferries to transport
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: passengers and freight across Bass Strait. Now, the first of
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: those ferries, the one in question, were supposed to arrive
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: for the people of Tasmania at last year and start working.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Except they ordered the ferry, they.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Forgot to build a port that was capable of taking
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: the ferry, so it's been sitting in Scotland and the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: port in Tasmania won't be ready until twenty twenty seven,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: three years after taxpayers paid for this thing. So they've
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: got this ferry, it's all been paid for, it's sitting
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: in Scotland.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: They're thinking what should we do for it?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: So they're going to lease it out potentially, and the
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: government are not denying it as a floating refuge camp.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: And then after being used for three years to.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: House refugees floating off the coast of wherever, then it
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: will arrive in what sort of condition is it going
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: to be in when it gets to Tasmania.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Pretty secondhand, I would.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Tell you you've done a great exercise for the world.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I remember we talked about a story. It must have
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: been a year ago, if not more about precisely this
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: sort of idea where they were going to float barges
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: off the coast of.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: The UK because the prisons were over fare.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly and put people on them. Now we're finally going
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to have floating refuge e camps. Look, look, I know
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: that the UK is a small place, Scotland is a
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: small place, and they have a lot of people packed
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: into it. But are you really telling me it's so
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: bad that the only option now to put refugees is
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: on a boat off the coast. Like I know, you
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: might be trying to escape Ukraine or wherever because there's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: war torn et cetera. But if someone said to you, oh, yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you're just going to have to float off the coast
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: on what's meant to be a cargo ferry for a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: few years, I reckon, if I bloody get off and sweet,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I would jump.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I would literally jump off the and I would say
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: see as later. I wouldn't want to spend years on
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: a well, what sort of condition is that boat?
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: He?
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: As you said, James, I just think this is a
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: bizarre story. Seriously, But what's going on in Tasmania. They've
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: had this sitting there for how many years? For goodness
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: sakend they've never used this vote?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess it's going to be sitting there for
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: a few more years while they build a port. So
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: they're trying to figure how do we get some of
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: our money back? Let's lease it as a Kevin Costner
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: was ahead of his time with remember that movie water World.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he foresaw all of this card.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's probably in the Simpsons as well at some point.
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: Definitely in the Simpsons.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: As it comes true, Let's go to the front of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the Old Tomorrow, where it says Tony's Minister for New
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Voters takes Labour's citizenships bring national Hundreds of new citizens
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in Perth have been sworn in, schooled about electoral boundaries,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and funneled parson enroll to vote booth as Homer Fairs,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Minister Tony Burke takes his audacious push to certify thousands
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of new Australians to the state that could decide the election.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: Well, well, well you know this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Isn't about drumming up vote no or the election, is it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: No?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Those AEC staff just happened to be there, and they
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: just happened to be telling them about electoral boundaries and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: how to enroll the vote.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Complen It's a bit like where's Wally? Where will Tony
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: end up tomorrow? On his Oprah Winfrey to, I call
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: the Oprah Winfrey to you get a citizenship, and you
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: get a citizenship.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Where will Burke end up tomorrow?
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Anyone's guess which ceremony will have the pleasure of Tony Burke?
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Indeed? And remember, of course he asked that these things
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: be scheduled when he could again, and I mean, he
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: can't pretend that it's not just a vote grabbing into
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: his na. Now. The story on the front of the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Yours Labour's MP Labor and P sorry sinizsos to charmers, funny,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Jim Chalmers has launched a pre election campaign
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: blitz in vulnerable New South Wales Hunter and Central Coast
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: seats as he answers the calls of Labor and PAS,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: concerned that surging support for Peter Dutton and Anthony Alberizi's
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: unpopularity will cost them their seats. And we had polling recently.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I think it was you Guv that said three seats
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: in the Hunter would flip and we're talking about coal
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: mining territory here would flip from Labor.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: To the Libs.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: They are seriously worried at this point. We've had the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister this week in Victoria campaigning in a seat
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: that they currently hold by a margin of seven point
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: six percent. I mean, what does that tell you about
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: how worried that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: The big thing about this is that Labor don't trust
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanzi to sell the government's economic message, so.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: They're using charmers to do it.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: That is big.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Is there ever a good reason for a posting to
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: not deliver your package? We think we found one that's
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: coming up in a moment.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: Welcome back.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: But we all get pretty upset when Australia posts don't deliver.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: But Danika, we may have found a poster. You had
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a good excuse.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's always very annoying when you know you're expecting
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: that post and that mail and the mail and then
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: you go, you get those delivery attempted little letters in
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: your in your letter box. But I've got to say
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: this could possibly be the best excuse yet because one
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: ossie has taken to Reddit. As you can see here,
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: this is what they got in the mail. It says,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry I couldn't get to the door the curlews
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: were losing their well word I probably, I don't know
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I can say at this time of the day. But
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: basically this person has gotten a response from the homeowner,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: and I've said quote the curlews in question. Here are
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: the pair of bushstone curlews that nest.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: In our yard.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: They won't actually bite, but they get pretty fierce when
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: they have chicks.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Now I've done a bit of googling.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you two are familiar with these birds,
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: these curlews, but they look like quite savage beats.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: The probably big this big wing, the wing span like this,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I've got a big beak. I don't blame them. I
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: would have been scared too.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Now I think you're quite right.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: I did a story.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: What are we being to in? Yes you can what
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: are we I'm going to give you an insight into
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: television I'm being told my yes.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: You can, what can we do? I want to do it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I want to do it on the front page.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: It was basically that we were allowed to say that
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: the delivery attempted.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: The curlews were losing their shits.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Oh thank god. I wish I'd been able to deliver
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: that news. But I did a story years ago when
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I was a court reporter about a post he who's
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: been terrorized by this dog all the time, and he
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: had to bloody throw things at the dog and carried
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: on way went to court and they said he had
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: a vendetta against all dogs. But post He's put up
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: with this stuff all the time.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: It has to be said.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a bloke who deserves some thanks. Scott Labido.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: He is an artist in New York City. You might
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: remember him last year for this stuff he was doing
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: with the Donald Trump around New York City, these signs
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: he was putting up. Well, he has had a day
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: in court because they've caught him putting fake flowers in
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the front of speed cameras. He says he's part of
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the beautification squad. He's just getting around shoving these things
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: in speed cameras, doing the world a favor so they
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: don't get caught out. I don't think he should be chad.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: He should be given a reward. He should be given
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: not a fine, but actually a bit of money in hand.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: Come and beautify Sydney exactly.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: We should club together. Everyone has about a spinning fine
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: club together and send this man a gift because he
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: is truly doing the Lord's work.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Please come and beautify the Lane Cove Tunnel. I would
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: be eternally grateful. That's it from us, stick around. Coming
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: up is the readependenty Show.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: Good Night,