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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Large Ner Drunk Collider Podcast,
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Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
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Speaker 1: the world around us and how very excited we are
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Speaker 1: about them. I'm Ariel Castin, and with me, as always,
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Speaker 1: is the ever young Jonathan Strickland.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be older by the next episode.
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Speaker 1: And yet forever young.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Neil Diamond song.
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Speaker 2: Not Neil Diamond, No, but that's okay. Yeah, no, gosh,
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Speaker 2: different different singer, but that's totally fine. Yeah. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I got my birthday coming up next week, and uh,
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Speaker 2: I'm taking vacation, but I will be still available to
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Speaker 2: record if Ariel is next week, so we'll still do
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Speaker 2: an episode, assuming you know, her availability remains the same it.
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Speaker 1: Should, you know it's not, but we plan on bringing
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Speaker 1: you an episode next week.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and even though I'm not working.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this isn't work. This is fun.
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Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. I so I didn't realize it
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Speaker 2: when I planned my vacation. I just said, oh, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to take the week of my birthday off, and
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Speaker 2: then I looked at the calendar and realized that that
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Speaker 2: ends up running over into the fourth of July holiday
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Speaker 2: for us, and we have the third and the fourth off,
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Speaker 2: which means I will have eleven straight days off work,
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Speaker 2: and I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself
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Speaker 2: apart from ketchup with all the stuff.
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Speaker 1: That sounds delightful. That sounds delightful. Do you want your
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Speaker 1: Happy Birthday? Isn't copyrighted anymore?
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Speaker 2: Is it? I think it's finally in the public domain.
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Speaker 2: But no, you don't need to sing it to me.
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Speaker 2: I'm it's it's a little too early. Got to wait
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Speaker 2: a couple more days.
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Speaker 1: I know, but we won't be recording in a couple
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Speaker 1: of days.
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Speaker 2: That's okay, that's okay. Just wait to tell you hear
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Speaker 2: how people are going to get in touch with me,
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Speaker 2: and then it'll all make sense.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fine, well let's move on then, dude, are thirty
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Speaker 1: seconds or less?
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Speaker 2: That sounds good? And I believe Ariel that you are
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Speaker 2: going to launch us off this time.
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Speaker 1: I am all right. So this is a quick one.
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Speaker 1: The second part of the Wicked movie that's coming out
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Speaker 1: because of course it's in two parts, was originally set
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Speaker 1: to come out in Christmas of twenty twenty. On Christmas
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Speaker 1: around Christmas of twenty twenty five, and now it's coming
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Speaker 1: out on November twenty six, twenty twenty five. So instead
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Speaker 1: of a Christmas movie, you get a Thanksgiving movie. That's
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Speaker 1: after Wicked Part one comes out in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: also in November. That's hopefully thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: I guess it's something for us to be thankful for. Okay, Hey,
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Speaker 2: the Spider Man spinoff elm Wuerto, about a wrestler who
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Speaker 2: gained superpowers through a mystical mask, is no longer on
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Speaker 2: Sony's calendar. The Hollywood Reporter chalks this up to another
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Speaker 2: delay due to the writer's strike. Now, it was supposed
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Speaker 2: to come out January twelfth, twenty twenty four. It's also
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Speaker 2: supposed to start Bad Bunny. But if and when it
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Speaker 2: gets back on track, he may no longer be available.
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Speaker 2: And it's actually possible that elm Werto might just be
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Speaker 2: plain old Muerto'll left to see.
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Speaker 1: That's sad. I was kind of looking forward to that one,
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Speaker 1: all right, So now I'm going to briefly talk about
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Speaker 1: something that we haven't We've only vaguely touched on on
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Speaker 1: the episode, just because the trial hasn't happened yet. But
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Major's trial is set for August sixth, I believe,
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Speaker 1: where he's being charged with domestic abuse charges. Sorry August third.
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Speaker 1: We haven't talked about it just because it hasn't gone
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Speaker 1: a trial yet, so we don't have all the facts.
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Speaker 1: Of course, his side is saying that he's completely innocent
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Speaker 1: and the evidence will prove that, and of course the
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Speaker 1: charges say otherwise. So you know, we'll see how that
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Speaker 1: all turns out in the fallout that happens to Marvel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is that's probably going to play into
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Speaker 2: one of the discussions we're going to have in our
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Speaker 2: news section. But before we get to that, of course,
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Speaker 2: we got some more thirty seconds or less, So here
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Speaker 2: we go. Mike Flanagan, the guy who directed the film
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Speaker 2: adaptation of Stephen King's Doctor Sleep, has had plans for
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Speaker 2: a third film in the Shining trilogy. So Doctor Sleep
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Speaker 2: was a sequel to The Shining if you recall, and
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Speaker 2: Flanagan's movie actually walked a tightrope between the novel and
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Speaker 2: Stanley Kubrick's film version of that story. The prequel would
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Speaker 2: have followed a young Dick hallerin That's the Cook who
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Speaker 2: gives the Shining its name, but it sounds like that
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Speaker 2: project got a big old fire ax to the chest, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, I think Speaking of acting things, we know that
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Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery HBO has been offloading their TV shows
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Speaker 1: to other streaming networks like Westworld to Roku and twob
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Speaker 1: which is free streaming with ads. Well, it looks like
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Speaker 1: now they're making deals with Netflix as well. It's rumored
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Speaker 1: that the first title that might go over to Netflix
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Speaker 1: will be Insecure, which is an HBO original, which means
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Speaker 1: there's a chance you'll still be able to watch the
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Speaker 1: shows you love, even once HBO says they don't want
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Speaker 1: to pay for them anymore.
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Speaker 2: Here's hoping and final High School Musical the musical. The
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Speaker 2: series has one more season and then it's time to graduate.
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Speaker 2: The fourth season will be the final bow for this
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Speaker 2: meta series, and we'll follow the cast as they interact
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Speaker 2: with stars from the original High School Musical film as
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Speaker 2: those characters reunite for a fictional reunion movie that doesn't
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Speaker 2: actually exist. It's meta on meta on me all up
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Speaker 2: in here, and it sounds like it's just what I've
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Speaker 2: been looking for. Yes, that was a reference to the
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Speaker 2: original film.
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised, you're super familiar with the original film.
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Speaker 2: I watched it for a different show.
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Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha, you might have told me that before, and
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Speaker 1: I might have scrubbed it from my memory.
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I used to host or co host
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Speaker 2: this other show called Podcast without Pretense, and we started
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Speaker 2: watching movies to see how long we could pay attention
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Speaker 2: to like a bad film before we gave in and
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Speaker 2: brought in distractions like a second screen or whatever. And
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Speaker 2: we chose high school musical, not knowing that we would
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Speaker 2: actually find it to be pretty darned entertaining. Like I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't say it's I would never call it a good movie,
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Speaker 2: but it's a very entertaining movie in parts. Particularly Sharpey.
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Speaker 2: I love her. She's awful and I love her, and
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Speaker 2: she's precious and she'd be, you know, treasured forever, and
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Speaker 2: I love her.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm surprised but also delighted the amount of times
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Speaker 1: that my old roommate and I have sung that song
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Speaker 1: at karaoke completely the Bop to the Top with Sharpey
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Speaker 1: and her brother Yeah in karaoke with choreography is an
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Speaker 1: embarrassing amount, which is to say more than one, maybe
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Speaker 1: more than four.
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Speaker 2: And what I've been looking for is another one of
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Speaker 2: the songs that Sharpey and her brother sing together, and
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Speaker 2: it's just super creepy because it sounds like it's a
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Speaker 2: love song, but it's being sung by a brother and sister.
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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm like, this is amazing. It's so wrong,
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Speaker 2: and yet it's in a Disney movie. It's awesome.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so it's so interesting. Did you know one
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Speaker 1: of the actors in high School the musical's name was
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Speaker 1: Corbyn Blue. His stage name is Corbyn Blue.
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Speaker 2: I had heard that, and I know that. Gosh, I
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Speaker 2: wish I could.
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Speaker 1: Earn he just now still, but yeah.
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Speaker 2: I wish I could rattle off the name of the
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Speaker 2: actress who played Sharpei, because she's great. But she's also
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Speaker 2: Ashley Tisdale. Ashley Tisdale, she's the voice she's Is it
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Speaker 2: Ashley Tisdell.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, But I'm just sad that I know
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Speaker 1: so quickly.
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Speaker 2: Well, she's She's also the voice of h of Phineas's
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Speaker 2: sister in Phineas and ferb And which is also great.
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Speaker 2: I love that series too, So it's just lots of
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Speaker 2: a big fan of her work.
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Speaker 1: I'll say yeah, I mean she's done a bunch of stuff.
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Speaker 1: She's she's done a bunch of stuff, so it is
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Speaker 1: fun and I was right, it is Ashley Tisdale good Well.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of a bunch of stuff, let's talk about the things.
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Speaker 2: What we have seen since the last time we convened.
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Speaker 2: I got nothing.
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Speaker 1: Have I watched since the last time we convened. I'm
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Speaker 1: still watching fou Bar, I finished up Ravening War. I
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Speaker 1: feel like there's something else. I'm like passively rewatching New
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Speaker 1: Girl when I don't really want to watch something but
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Speaker 1: I want something on in the background.
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Speaker 2: Got it?
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Speaker 1: Which is hard because I really I know you don't
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Speaker 1: like you're you're not a big fan fan of Zoey Deschanel,
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Speaker 1: but uh, I love that show so much.
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Speaker 2: I think the reason I think, the reason I don't
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Speaker 2: like zoe Deshanel is that a lot of the early
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Speaker 2: work that I was exposed to was stuff that I
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Speaker 2: just found like not likable at all, And it has
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Speaker 2: no it's no fault of hers, but rather like, like,
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Speaker 2: I'm specifically thinking of ten Man. Do you did you
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Speaker 2: ever see ten Man Man?
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Speaker 1: Was that like a TV series?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was a mini series on Sci Fi Network
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Speaker 2: and it was a reimagining of Wizard of Oz but
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Speaker 2: kind of with steampunk. Allan Cumming was in it as
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Speaker 2: the Scarecrow, and like there were a couple of other
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Speaker 2: notable actors. Zoey Deschanel was the Dorothy stand in and
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Speaker 2: that show I wanted to like it so much. I
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Speaker 2: wanted it to be really cool and thisthetically pleasing and
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Speaker 2: really interesting, and it was just not, like it was
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Speaker 2: not good and I think I didn't even finish it.
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Speaker 2: I think it was a three parter and I watched
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Speaker 2: parts one in part two and I just could not
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Speaker 2: bring myself to watch part three because it was it
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Speaker 2: just lost me. So it's it was such a huge
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Speaker 2: swing and a miss. And I think that that because
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Speaker 2: that might have been one of my first things I
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Speaker 2: saw Zoey Deschanel in. I think that just kind of
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Speaker 2: soured me. And again not her fault, but her character
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Speaker 2: was just so like like apathetic in that that and
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Speaker 2: she just seems so like unmoved by any of the
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Speaker 2: weird and wild stuff around her that I was like,
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Speaker 2: this is this is supposed to be something that's fantastical
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Speaker 2: and magical, but the character is coming across as this
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Speaker 2: extremely disaffected Generation X type person and I can't stand it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she was kind of similar in Elf
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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I didn't watch tin Man. I was
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Speaker 1: confusing it with another TV mini series that was based
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Speaker 1: off of Wizard of Oz, which was also not great
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Speaker 1: that I can't remember the name.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know there were two of them.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the other one wasn't sci fi. It was
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Speaker 1: it was kind of like Dorothy comes back many years
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Speaker 1: later as an adult and a cop.
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Speaker 2: Oh wild like something like that sounds vaguely familiar. But
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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was called Emerald City.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, it was called Emerald City and it was
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Speaker 1: super dark and there are parts of it I liked,
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Speaker 1: but it was just I don't know. It was like
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Speaker 1: if Tenth Kingdom tried to be gritty and it didn't
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Speaker 1: quite hit for me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tenth Kingdom, Man, that's a movie, or rather
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Speaker 2: a mini series we should talk about at sometimes some point,
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Speaker 2: because that was a series that had some great ideas
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Speaker 2: and some terrible ideas, and it created a whole mess
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Speaker 2: of a series.
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Speaker 1: Look, I loved it as a kid, and like I
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Speaker 1: had it recorded on VHS really crappily and I would
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Speaker 1: watch through the parts that were all static because I
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Speaker 1: loved it so much, because it was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: mixing real world with the fantasy world is a fun idea.
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Speaker 1: There are entired tabletops about it. There's an entire Dimension
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Speaker 1: twenty campaign about it, you know, and Sleeping City and
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Speaker 1: Changeling and all these other things. It's it's a really
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Speaker 1: fun concept to play with. Yeah, but yeah, not all
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Speaker 1: of it holds up super well. And also the longer
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Speaker 1: you go before watching it again, more you realize that
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Speaker 1: it is in fact a Hallmark mini series because it is.
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Speaker 2: It just it. I mean, there's some dark stuff in
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Speaker 2: Tim Kingdom, Like you have a wolf character who I mean, well,
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Speaker 2: let's not go and we can have a whole episode
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Speaker 2: just about Tim.
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Speaker 1: No, but but now you understand, like, but I knowing
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Speaker 1: that I am intimately familiar intimately is the wrong word.
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Speaker 1: I am very familiar Kingdom like, and then I say
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Speaker 1: the Emerald City's trying to be a gritty tenth Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's it's Yeah. Anyhow, well, speaking of far
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Speaker 1: too gritty, let's talk about DC.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So part of me thinks, like some of the
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Speaker 2: so some of our sources that we use for this show,
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Speaker 2: Like my frequent go tos include the Hollywood Reporter and Variety.
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Speaker 2: I go to those a lot, right, and there are
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Speaker 2: other ones too that are more geek focused, like Nerdicst
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Speaker 2: and things like that. But both Hollywood Reporter and Variety
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Speaker 2: seem to have a hate for The Flash. Like it's
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Speaker 2: not just enough that they are reporting on the financial
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Speaker 2: performance of the film, but they almost seem to be
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Speaker 2: taking delight in it. I don't know, maybe I'm maybe
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Speaker 2: I'm projecting too much, but the story is that The
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Speaker 2: Flash has not been a big box office success the
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Speaker 2: way Warner Brothers Discovery was hoping for, and that it
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Speaker 2: has received kind of a lackluster response at least on
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Speaker 2: the scale of superhero movies, being just slightly ahead of
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Speaker 2: Black Adam, I believe. And so it's just like it's
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Speaker 2: kind of a punch to the gut, because obviously this
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Speaker 2: was a movie that David Zaslov and James Gunn both
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Speaker 2: were kind of cheerleading from the sidelines leading up to
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Speaker 2: the release. But the reviews I've seen have been not
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Speaker 2: negative but more mediocre, more like modest in their praise
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Speaker 2: of the film, and perhaps some people at least are
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Speaker 2: holding back just because they, like me, have misgivings due
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Speaker 2: to Ezra Miller's troubled past. That was the thing that
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Speaker 2: was kind of holding me back.
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Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I do think that's part of it.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who don't want to support,
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Speaker 1: you know, Ezra Miller or have misgivings. I know that
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Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend who saw it who had
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Speaker 1: a really hard time divorcing the character from the actor.
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Speaker 1: And I say this as someone who has in the past,
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Speaker 1: prior to everything, enjoyed Azra Miller's performance as the Flash.
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Speaker 1: But also so I do think that that plays a
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Speaker 1: big part of it. You know, they haven't allowed Ezra
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Speaker 1: Miller to do a lot of or really do any
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Speaker 1: marketing for this movie other than show up on the
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Speaker 1: red carpet for the premiere. But I also think another
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Speaker 1: part of it is the people who were invested who
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Speaker 1: maybe don't care about that also might be feeling less
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Speaker 1: enticed to go because we only have like one and
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Speaker 1: a half more movies coming out in this universe and
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Speaker 1: then it's it's done, and so they aren't as excited
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Speaker 1: to see what happens next, you know, like part of
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Speaker 1: going to see a Marvel movie seems like half the
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Speaker 1: time it's just waiting to see what they're going to
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Speaker 1: set up for the next movie.
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, which which has its own problems. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. So like, because this version
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Speaker 2: of DC Cinematic Universe is coming to an end, the
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Speaker 2: stakes are kind of gone because you're like, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but these characters aren't going to be told the same
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Speaker 2: way moving forward, because we know that James, you know,
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Speaker 2: this film existed before James Gunn came on to take
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Speaker 2: over a co leadership of DC, and so we know
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Speaker 2: that the stuff that comes out after this year is
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Speaker 2: going to be, you know, pretty much divorced from the
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Speaker 2: stuff that came before, with a couple of exceptions, like
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Speaker 2: the Joker sequel obviously is more like an else World's
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Speaker 2: kind of thing that's going to come up, and then
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Speaker 2: the whether or not we get it, But a sequel
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Speaker 2: to The Batman would also be else World's, which starts
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Speaker 2: to make you wonder, Okay, but what isn't going to
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Speaker 2: be Elseworld's.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean everything that comes out next year.
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Speaker 1: I think even Peacekeeper is peace Peacemaker, not Peacekeeper that's Farscape.
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Speaker 1: Dang it, I didn't. I didn't edit myself before opening
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Speaker 1: my mouth this time. Peacemaker is also going to be
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Speaker 1: I think else Worlds because it's got the but I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Maybe Amanda Waller follows through
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Speaker 1: every universe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I'm sure Margot Robbie would come back
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Speaker 2: for another Harley Quinn style film if the story were right.
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Speaker 2: So that also, I mean, it's just messy, like DC. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: really really pooped the bed if we're going to use
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Speaker 2: a vulgar phrase when they set up this, this whole
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Speaker 2: cinematic universe, and it's there's no easy way to address
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Speaker 2: that without just like scrapping everything and starting from scratch,
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Speaker 2: which they are not going to do because they're already
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Speaker 2: invested in these other projects.
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Speaker 1: It is interesting, though, because the article on Variety mentions
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Speaker 1: Blue Beetle as one of the you know, former DC properties,
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Speaker 1: and it did start getting developed prior, but at least
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Speaker 1: in the trailers, I haven't seen any tie into the
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Speaker 1: Snyder DCEU, and so it's a potential that instead of
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Speaker 1: being in else world, it could be tied into the
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Speaker 1: New Gun universe, which is kind of what I hope.
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Speaker 1: I hope Blue Beetle is super successful. It's like the
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Speaker 1: thing I've been most excited about for a while from DC. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but also like, yeah, because I don't want to see
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Speaker 1: the Flash and get all excited for Michael Keaton coming
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Speaker 1: into the DC universe and then not have him come
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Speaker 1: into the DC universe, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean I kind of feel the same
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Speaker 2: way about seeing Michael Keaton in a Spider Man movie
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Speaker 2: and being excited about him being in the Marvel universe
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Speaker 2: and not seeing him get in the Marvel universe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean people do this with TV shows too,
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Speaker 1: Like as soon as they hear their TV show is canceled,
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Speaker 1: they're like, well, do I even bother finishing it, because
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Speaker 1: why why it's spend my time getting invested in this
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Speaker 1: saying that's not going to complete out, you know.
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Speaker 2: Which just makes makes me also think of when we
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Speaker 2: first heard about the Flash being included in the DCEU,
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Speaker 2: how people were upset that it wasn't the actor who
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Speaker 2: was playing the Flash in the television series.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was Grant Gustin, I would be a
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Speaker 1: bazillion times more into it. And our mutual friend who
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Speaker 1: saw the Flash movie said that they thought that the
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Speaker 1: Grant Gustin version of the story, because the CW has
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Speaker 1: also done basically Flashpoint, was better.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure at some point I will see this.
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Speaker 2: The things I've heard, like, there's been some really positive
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Speaker 2: stuff that thought, oh well, that sounds really neat. Other
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Speaker 2: stuff like saying that the introduction of Supergirl does a
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Speaker 2: disservice to the character kind of disappoints me because I
19:52
Speaker 2: know how how incredibly excited that actress was to land
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Speaker 2: that role, and it just hurts me to know that,
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Speaker 2: like it was kind of mishandled, and to think that
20:04
Speaker 2: this may be the one and only time she gets
20:06
Speaker 2: to do it. That's also kind of stinks. But yeah,
20:09
Speaker 2: this is a I mean, I'm actually surprised. I thought
20:12
Speaker 2: The Flash was going to be a much bigger success
20:15
Speaker 2: in the box office, and yet unless unless it just
20:19
Speaker 2: gets a resurgence, which seems unlikely due to the fact
20:22
Speaker 2: that a lot of the word of mouth is kind
20:23
Speaker 2: of middling, I think it's gonna be another big miss
20:27
Speaker 2: for Warner Brother's Discovery.
20:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. Speaking of big misses, Comic Con
20:34
Speaker 1: might be a big miss this year.
20:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least if you are a fan of the
20:40
Speaker 2: hull H presentations. That's the really big hall at San
20:44
Speaker 2: Diego Comic Con where the giant studios like Disney will
20:49
Speaker 2: frequently book that hall for their giant presentations. Sometimes they
20:55
Speaker 2: end up even messing up other people's presentations. I'll never
21:01
Speaker 2: forget when Kevin Smith found out that the in the
21:05
Speaker 2: one before his the presenter invited the entire audience to
21:10
Speaker 2: go and see a secret pre screening of a movie,
21:13
Speaker 2: which meant no one came to Kevin Smith's panel because
21:17
Speaker 2: everyone left. But anyway, traditionally that's where we get these big,
21:22
Speaker 2: big announcements. That's where last year Marvel laid out their
21:26
Speaker 2: big plans for phases four, five, and six, and you know,
21:30
Speaker 2: announced all these different projects. And now Marvel is rumored
21:34
Speaker 2: to be well not rumored, Marvel's skipping haul H. They
21:38
Speaker 2: are not going to have a big presentation this year.
21:41
Speaker 2: And I think we have a few reasons we can
21:44
Speaker 2: guess as to why that is.
21:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, most most of the speculation is around the writer's
21:50
Speaker 1: strike and the possible sag after strike and the possible
21:55
Speaker 1: d GA strike.
21:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, although DGA seems like that's not like to happen,
22:00
Speaker 2: but sag After certainly could, and we should know that
22:04
Speaker 2: probably by well, maybe not this time next week, but
22:08
Speaker 2: pretty soon, because that's when the negotiations come to an end.
22:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, on June thirtieth, I believe. Now. I do want
22:14
Speaker 1: to make a quick aside here. The sag After strike
22:18
Speaker 1: is in a media blackout, so anything you hear right
22:20
Speaker 1: now is just speculation or rumor.
22:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why we don't know one way or
22:27
Speaker 2: the other whether it's happening. But or if we do know,
22:30
Speaker 2: we couldn't tell you. I'll just say it right now.
22:33
Speaker 2: I don't know. Ariel might because she's an actor, but I.
22:37
Speaker 1: I don't know. I did hear rumor, and again this
22:39
Speaker 1: is rumor that the AAMPA is that it I should know. Yeah, anyhow,
22:46
Speaker 1: they are only negotiating. The rumor is that they're only
22:49
Speaker 1: negotiating one contract at a time so that they won't
22:51
Speaker 1: be negotiating with WGA and sag after It and the
22:55
Speaker 1: DGA all at the same time. That's a rumor that's
22:58
Speaker 1: readily on the internet like inside knowledge. But you know,
23:03
Speaker 1: if that's true. It's the article I read positive that
23:08
Speaker 1: it's a tactic, and I don't particularly like it, especially
23:12
Speaker 1: if they aren't, like if they switch to like DGA
23:14
Speaker 1: before WGA, because I think DJA will get resolved quicker.
23:17
Speaker 1: Like that's just mean to the writers. So I hope
23:21
Speaker 1: that that's not true.
23:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one other thing that could be contributing to
23:28
Speaker 2: Marvel's decision, obviously, is what Ariel mentioned before with Jonathan
23:33
Speaker 2: Major's heading toward trial for the charges of domestic abuse
23:38
Speaker 2: and domestic violence, and that obviously is a just like
23:44
Speaker 2: with the Ezra Miller situation, it's an incredibly sensitive topic
23:49
Speaker 2: one that does need to be addressed, and there are
23:51
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about whether Marvel is going to
23:55
Speaker 2: continue to employ Jonathan Majors because obviously he played an
24:00
Speaker 2: important part in the next next phase and then well
24:05
Speaker 2: this phase and phase six, because we're in phase five
24:08
Speaker 2: and you know, in phase six we're going to get
24:11
Speaker 2: the Kang Dynasty, or at least that's supposed to be
24:13
Speaker 2: one of the two Avengers movies we get. So it's
24:17
Speaker 2: possible that that also is playing a part because with
24:20
Speaker 2: that up in the air, the company may not have
24:23
Speaker 2: a strategy to move forward, and wonder, you know, how
24:26
Speaker 2: do we pivot, Like do we pivot and if we do,
24:29
Speaker 2: what do we do? Do we recast the role? Do
24:31
Speaker 2: we just completely change the path of the of the
24:37
Speaker 2: phases and we just make a dramatic departure from what
24:40
Speaker 2: we had planned. That's possible, but we don't know.
24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and like the article about Jonathan Major's trial
24:49
Speaker 1: date which I just cited, coming soon dot net says
24:53
Speaker 1: that his it's at his side that pushed for a
24:56
Speaker 1: quick trial date, so like to get the trial date
24:59
Speaker 1: as soon as pos possible. It makes me wonder if
25:02
Speaker 1: they're trying to get it in while they suspect the
25:04
Speaker 1: strike might still be going on, so they can take
25:07
Speaker 1: care of all of this before productions will start ramping
25:10
Speaker 1: back up. But I don't know. I don't know.
25:14
Speaker 2: I don't know either. I know that, you know, it's
25:17
Speaker 2: a very delicate thing. And when you consider that Disney,
25:20
Speaker 2: of course is the parent company to Marvel, that adds
25:23
Speaker 2: even more pressure, right, because you've got a brand that
25:27
Speaker 2: is associated with being positive and family friendly. We all
25:31
Speaker 2: know that that's you know, branding, and that there are
25:34
Speaker 2: other elements of business that are not as happy and
25:38
Speaker 2: optimistic as that, But you still have to make a presentation.
25:41
Speaker 2: Optics are really important so it's very possible that this
25:45
Speaker 2: will will force a change that Marvel execs were not anticipating.
25:52
Speaker 2: It's honestly, the whole thing is so up in the air.
25:55
Speaker 2: And complicating matters even further, obviously, is that several of
26:00
Speaker 2: the more recent Marvel projects have not met with critical
26:05
Speaker 2: or audience acclaim. Like there's been a general disappointment in
26:09
Speaker 2: many of the more recent Marvel projects. More in the
26:13
Speaker 2: movies than in the series, I would say, but it's
26:17
Speaker 2: definitely in both, and that is something that Marvel needs
26:21
Speaker 2: to try and get a handle on, because it would
26:25
Speaker 2: be tough to come out to Hall h and have
26:28
Speaker 2: a bunch of announcements and no one really cares because
26:31
Speaker 2: you've kind of lost the audience. So maybe taking a
26:35
Speaker 2: year off will help them do that too.
26:38
Speaker 1: Maybe. Also, there's rumored that Universal and HBO may not
26:42
Speaker 1: show up as strong this year again for similar reasons.
26:47
Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry to the people who are going to Comicon.
26:50
Speaker 1: I haven't been to comic Con, so it doesn't super
26:54
Speaker 1: affect me, but obviously it does affect when we get
26:57
Speaker 1: news about geeky new things coming out, so we'll see
27:00
Speaker 1: how all of that goes again.
27:03
Speaker 2: Being a writer, strike. It's not a huge surprise that
27:05
Speaker 2: we're getting companies sort of pulling back on this because
27:08
Speaker 2: they honestly can't give realistic timelines of when stuff can
27:12
Speaker 2: come out. So I totally get it. But it is
27:15
Speaker 2: a bummer for the people who are going. But we
27:17
Speaker 2: can talk about something that's not a bummer. We can
27:20
Speaker 2: talk about an adaptation or not an adaptation, but rather
27:23
Speaker 2: a play that is based off the behind and imagined,
27:31
Speaker 2: behind the scenes environment of one of the greatest movies
27:36
Speaker 2: that has ever been made.
27:39
Speaker 1: Yes, and that movie is Jaws. So if you are
27:43
Speaker 1: ever wondering how to get Ariel to enjoy Jaws, it's
27:46
Speaker 1: by taking me to see this Broadway show. It's called
27:49
Speaker 1: The Shark Is Broken. I think it was written by
27:53
Speaker 1: Ian Shaw, who is Robert Shaw's son, who is the.
27:59
Speaker 2: He's quint guy. Yeah, he's the one I was like,
28:02
Speaker 2: I'll find your fish for two thousand, but I'll catch
28:05
Speaker 2: it and kill it for ten.
28:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he plays his dad. Ian plays his dad,
28:10
Speaker 1: Robert Shaw. He does in England, and I believe he's
28:12
Speaker 1: doing so again in the US because now this show
28:15
Speaker 1: that started in the West End is getting a Broadway
28:18
Speaker 1: run and they just announced who who will be playing
28:24
Speaker 1: Richard Dreyfus and Roy Schreider, the other people involved in this,
28:29
Speaker 1: and Alex Brightman, who was Beetlejuice and Beetlejuice the musical
28:32
Speaker 1: The Best Beetlejuice Ever will be playing. Richard Dreyfus and
28:37
Speaker 1: Colin Donnell, who I know as Malcolm Merlin, not Malcolm
28:42
Speaker 1: as Arrow's best friend in Arrow, one of the Merlins.
28:47
Speaker 1: Is it Malcolm? There's Malcolm his dad.
28:49
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I haven't. I think I watched all
28:52
Speaker 2: of two episodes of Arrow. Now she's googling, I am googling.
28:58
Speaker 1: Listen, you gotta Tommy. He played Malcolm? Was his dad?
29:02
Speaker 1: I was right, Okay, he plays tom He played Tommy
29:05
Speaker 1: Merlin in Arrow, will be playing Roy Scheider. Yeah, it
29:10
Speaker 1: looks delightful. At first I thought it was a musical.
29:12
Speaker 1: I'm a little sad that it's not, because I could
29:15
Speaker 1: just imagine the fun that would be had with that.
29:17
Speaker 1: But it looks like it would be a really fun,
29:21
Speaker 1: simple play to see.
29:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's supposed to be imagining what went on on
29:27
Speaker 2: the Orca, which was the name of the boat that
29:31
Speaker 2: quent Man's and Jaws. What went on on the Orca
29:35
Speaker 2: between Richard Dreyfus and Roy Scheider and Robert Shaw when
29:39
Speaker 2: they weren't filming, because I mean, if you've ever heard
29:43
Speaker 2: the stories, Robert Shaw was famously a very tough guy
29:47
Speaker 2: and kind of a grouch, and Richard Dreyfus ended up
29:52
Speaker 2: being kind of intimidated by him a little bit, or
29:55
Speaker 2: at least scared of him. Maybe not intimidated as the
29:58
Speaker 2: right word, but yeah. And also I love that the
30:01
Speaker 2: title is the Shark is Broken, because that's a play
30:03
Speaker 2: off the shark is working. That's that's what the one
30:08
Speaker 2: of the documentaries about Jaws is called, and it was
30:10
Speaker 2: called that because it was so rare for the mechanical
30:13
Speaker 2: shark to work that when you heard the shark is working,
30:17
Speaker 2: you jumped to get everything going so that you could
30:20
Speaker 2: get some footage in before the shark broke again. Yeah.
30:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, A little side note Ian Shaw, because I watched
30:28
Speaker 1: the trailer for this play on YouTube and I thought
30:33
Speaker 1: at first that Ian Shaw was Michael Palin, Like, I
30:36
Speaker 1: was like, how is Michael Michael Palin look so young
30:39
Speaker 1: in this play?
30:41
Speaker 2: Well, where's when I saw I haven't seen the trailer.
30:43
Speaker 2: I've just seen a photograph of him, and granted it's
30:46
Speaker 2: from a distance, but the first glance I've made was,
30:49
Speaker 2: holy cow, he looks a lot like his dad.
30:53
Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense, right, Yeah, So, uh, that's
30:58
Speaker 1: happy news. We're going to dip back a little bit
31:00
Speaker 1: into some more Disney sad news.
31:02
Speaker 2: Now.
31:04
Speaker 1: Oh, I did tell one of our friends who is
31:06
Speaker 1: a movie buff, about the Shark is Broken, and she
31:10
Speaker 1: immediately bought tickets to go to New York and see it,
31:13
Speaker 1: like immediately, Yeah.
31:15
Speaker 2: Once, I didn't know about until you put it in
31:18
Speaker 2: our lineup. And I am debating on doing something similar
31:22
Speaker 2: because I mean, Jaws is at least in my top
31:26
Speaker 2: five favorite films of all time, it may be my
31:30
Speaker 2: favorite film, and it just sounds like it would be
31:35
Speaker 2: a blast to see this play, So I am considering it.
31:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a bunch more stuff to talk about
31:42
Speaker 1: and not a lot of time to talk about it,
31:44
Speaker 1: so let's jump back into some sad Disney news or
31:48
Speaker 1: mad Disney news, bad Disney. I don't know. I will
31:51
Speaker 1: be curious for your take on it. So the first
31:54
Speaker 1: episode of Secret Invasion dropped this week. That's with Nick
31:58
Speaker 1: Fury and the Scroll.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Scroll.
32:03
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, doing spy stuff on Earth kind of.
32:09
Speaker 1: It dropped on Disney Plus to mixed reviews. I haven't
32:12
Speaker 1: watched it yet, but something that has been getting a
32:15
Speaker 1: little bit of a negative review is the opening credits scene,
32:18
Speaker 1: because apparently Disney used AI to get like this foreboding,
32:21
Speaker 1: otherworldly sort of art style to it, and a bunch
32:24
Speaker 1: of people are mad that Disney used AI.
32:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, personally, go ahead, no, you go ahead, no, no,
32:31
Speaker 2: I want to hear what you have to say, because
32:33
Speaker 2: that's going to really affect how I approached this next bit.
32:38
Speaker 1: Me personally, I think the timing of using AI for
32:42
Speaker 1: this intro is bad where we've got a bunch of
32:44
Speaker 1: unions trying to get some protections around it. But on
32:51
Speaker 1: just a on a purely like disaffected level, I think
32:58
Speaker 1: that AI is a fine tool for something like that
33:01
Speaker 1: if you're going for a particular art style. Like to me,
33:04
Speaker 1: AI art has a very particular, like slightly off art style,
33:08
Speaker 1: and they and Disney says that they wanted that for
33:11
Speaker 1: like the shape shifting feel of this scroll, and something's
33:14
Speaker 1: not right, and so like I think using it as
33:17
Speaker 1: using it as a tool is not like innately wrong.
33:21
Speaker 1: I just think the timing is really bad.
33:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I okay, I'm on the same page that you're on.
33:27
Speaker 2: I might be a little more anti AI for artistic
33:32
Speaker 2: commercial purposes because you know, there is a valid argument
33:37
Speaker 2: to make that there are people artists out there who
33:41
Speaker 2: could have generated incredible credits who you know, because this
33:46
Speaker 2: went to a marketing or an art firm that used
33:50
Speaker 2: AI meant that those artists didn't get a chance to
33:53
Speaker 2: get that gig, and that kind of stinks. So I
33:56
Speaker 2: get their their point, and also, as you to your point, Ariel,
33:59
Speaker 2: the fact we're right now in an era where the
34:02
Speaker 2: use of AI is very much one of the sensitive
34:06
Speaker 2: talking points of these negotiations because exactly because of stuff
34:11
Speaker 2: like this, you did not read the room properly, Marvel
34:15
Speaker 2: when you signed off on this. That being said thematically,
34:21
Speaker 2: it makes so much sense like it it feeds into
34:25
Speaker 2: the actual story and narrative of the series, so as
34:30
Speaker 2: a storytelling component, it actually makes a lot of sense.
34:34
Speaker 2: So's I agree. I think the timing if this had
34:36
Speaker 2: happened last year, before these sort of negotiations were starting
34:41
Speaker 2: to heat up, I don't know that it would have
34:43
Speaker 2: been as big a deal. I think it's going to
34:45
Speaker 2: be a big deal from now moving forward, because we've
34:49
Speaker 2: had so much conversation and concern about AI being used
34:53
Speaker 2: in creative endeavors and potentially denying human creators the chance
34:59
Speaker 2: to do that work.
35:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like I do agree with that, and I
35:03
Speaker 1: don't think and I think like a human could have
35:06
Speaker 1: made an equally interesting intro credit sequence possibly you know,
35:11
Speaker 1: by studying AI style and then recreating it. But I
35:15
Speaker 1: also feel like like this is why i atsies doing
35:18
Speaker 1: their whole study on it, right of how to use
35:20
Speaker 1: this tool responsibly, because you know, I guess there could
35:26
Speaker 1: also be the argument for to get the you know,
35:30
Speaker 1: I've gone to to create dot ai dot you know,
35:35
Speaker 1: and and put in prompts to try to get weird
35:38
Speaker 1: art from an AI before and to get something that's
35:41
Speaker 1: correct and visually what you're looking for. Is like it
35:45
Speaker 1: could be argued that that's an art in and of itself.
35:49
Speaker 1: You know, it's just different, it's a different tool. But
35:54
Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know. I am one hundred percent
35:59
Speaker 1: against a that pulls and just adjusts other people's art work,
36:03
Speaker 1: which a lot of AI things out there do, and
36:06
Speaker 1: that's not cool. They take other people's photographs and other
36:09
Speaker 1: people's art work and then they just tweak them, and
36:11
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all.
36:13
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, the training portion of training up AI
36:18
Speaker 2: often involves feeding. In fact, it essentially always involves feeding
36:22
Speaker 2: lots of examples to the AI, which also means that
36:25
Speaker 2: you are creating an artificial intelligence that is pulling from
36:30
Speaker 2: the styles of specific artists, and that does start to
36:34
Speaker 2: feel a little unfair, right, Not that you would necessarily
36:38
Speaker 2: mistake an AI creation for the actual artists creation, although
36:42
Speaker 2: that might happen, but you know, it's still not cool,
36:46
Speaker 2: because the actual artist is the person you should be
36:49
Speaker 2: going to. Let's carry on, though, We've got a ton
36:54
Speaker 2: of other stuff to talk about. We got a trailer
36:57
Speaker 2: for an upcoming Sony Marvel film, Craven the Hunter, and
37:04
Speaker 2: in our notes, Ariel indicated that she nearly quote unquote
37:10
Speaker 2: noped out several times. So, Ariel, why did you almost
37:13
Speaker 2: nope out of the Craven the Hunter trailer?
37:17
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, trailers lately have done this thing
37:19
Speaker 1: where they give you a couple of different, like really
37:22
Speaker 1: intense moments from the trailer at the beginning, and then
37:24
Speaker 1: they say boom, starting the trailer.
37:26
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's a trailer for the trailer.
37:28
Speaker 1: In the trailer, and anyhow, the two seconds that they
37:33
Speaker 1: put into the trailer at the very beginning were one
37:39
Speaker 1: the Craven being surrounded by spiders, which to me is
37:43
Speaker 1: just like nope, nope, nope, I don't like this, and
37:47
Speaker 1: then two like breaking open a dude's head with a
37:52
Speaker 1: bear trap.
37:54
Speaker 2: And then and well, the reason why they had to
37:57
Speaker 2: have them surrounded by spiders is because they couldn't have
38:00
Speaker 2: him fighting Spider Man, so this was as close as
38:02
Speaker 2: they could get.
38:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then we get into the actual trailer
38:07
Speaker 1: with backstory, and I want to say, Aaron Taylor Johnson
38:11
Speaker 1: I think would play like I think his acting is
38:15
Speaker 1: fine as a character in the trailer, Like yeah, I
38:17
Speaker 1: think he can play that kind of like whatever is
38:20
Speaker 1: needed to play Craven. However, the storyline is dumb. And
38:24
Speaker 1: then like there was also like animal violence, which I
38:26
Speaker 1: don't like, And there was also but it's a part
38:29
Speaker 1: of the story, right, So that's just legit part of
38:32
Speaker 1: Craven's backstory. Yeah, and then there's just so much like
38:37
Speaker 1: we knew this was going to be I think R
38:39
Speaker 1: rated right, and it was going to be more violent,
38:42
Speaker 1: but it's just the level of violence at least in
38:44
Speaker 1: the trailer was just too much for me, Like it
38:46
Speaker 1: was just too much.
38:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like the trailer at all. I felt
38:51
Speaker 2: that it had serious morbius vibes going on, just like, yes,
38:55
Speaker 2: it looks like it's going to be to me, the
38:58
Speaker 2: equivalent of morbious quality, which then made me wonder whether
39:02
Speaker 2: or not these characters who are Spider Man villains, if
39:06
Speaker 2: perhaps they're just not interesting enough to be able to
39:09
Speaker 2: carry their own story. And in this case, it looks
39:12
Speaker 2: like they're doing a little bit of a maleficent for Craven,
39:16
Speaker 2: because the comic book version is that he's just a
39:19
Speaker 2: big game hunter and he's bored of hunting animals because
39:22
Speaker 2: they're too easy. So he's decided to say sights on
39:25
Speaker 2: Spider Man because Spider Man will present a real challenge.
39:28
Speaker 2: That's it, that's Craven's motivation. But in this one it
39:32
Speaker 2: looks like his father's the big game hunter, that Craven
39:37
Speaker 2: ends up being more compassionate toward animals at least, or
39:43
Speaker 2: that he seems to be at the very outset, but
39:46
Speaker 2: then he just goes all murder homo on everybody around him.
39:52
Speaker 2: Don't know why, don't understand what the plot is. But
39:56
Speaker 2: I also didn't think it made much sense for him
39:59
Speaker 2: to get a drop of life iron blood mixed in
40:01
Speaker 2: those blood and that gave him suddenly powers.
40:04
Speaker 1: That was that was like the biggest, the biggest. So
40:07
Speaker 1: now he's like sympathetic to animals or can talk to them.
40:09
Speaker 1: He's freaking doctor Doolittle. I don't know, or at least
40:14
Speaker 1: knows their weaknesses super powerly. Yeah, that blood drop moment
40:17
Speaker 1: was a thing that was like, oh my god, this
40:18
Speaker 1: is just morebous with lions.
40:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, and in the comics, like Craven does
40:23
Speaker 2: have a like a serum that he's made by extracting
40:27
Speaker 2: various uh components from animals, So that is part of
40:32
Speaker 2: his story and that he's got this stuff that makes
40:34
Speaker 2: him faster and stronger than your typical human because he
40:37
Speaker 2: was somehow able to distill these things in animals that
40:42
Speaker 2: gave humans that ability. But that that's a little more
40:45
Speaker 2: involved than just having a lion bleed on you.
40:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyhow, I will probably I still haven't seen
40:54
Speaker 1: morebius like go Me that is. That is one one
40:57
Speaker 1: superhero movie I haven't watched, and I don't plan too,
41:00
Speaker 1: and I don't think I'm gonna plan on watching I
41:02
Speaker 1: really like Aaron Taylor Johnson, but I'm not gonna watch Craven.
41:05
Speaker 1: I don't think unless the next trailer really kind of
41:07
Speaker 1: changes its tune.
41:09
Speaker 2: It's also kind of funny before we move on. I
41:11
Speaker 2: just want to mention Russell Crowe plays Craven's dad, which
41:14
Speaker 2: means that Russell Crowe is both Zeus and Craven's dad
41:18
Speaker 2: in the Nebulous Marvel universe. Keeping in mind that Sony
41:22
Speaker 2: is kind of like a universe over but it's still
41:26
Speaker 2: connected to Marvel. I just thought that was funny.
41:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Nebulus, you put a trailer in for
41:32
Speaker 1: this movie called Three Body Problem, and it looks really cool,
41:35
Speaker 1: but at least on double speed, I could not tell
41:38
Speaker 1: what the story was about.
41:40
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. It's based off a series of novels
41:44
Speaker 2: from a Chinese author, and in those stories there are
41:48
Speaker 2: kind of three narratives that are playing out, and one
41:53
Speaker 2: of them takes place in the past, one of them
41:54
Speaker 2: takes place in the novels present, and one of them
41:57
Speaker 2: is sort of a flash forward look into the future.
42:00
Speaker 2: And so the trailer we get mirrors that where you
42:03
Speaker 2: get elements where it's stuff that's happening in the past,
42:07
Speaker 2: stuff that's happening right now, and stuff that happens in
42:08
Speaker 2: the future. The problem is with the trailer, it doesn't
42:11
Speaker 2: communicate that at all, So it just leaves you to
42:14
Speaker 2: kind of wonder, how can all these different images that
42:18
Speaker 2: you're watching fit in the same story. But that's because again,
42:23
Speaker 2: it comes from this very complex series of books that
42:27
Speaker 2: are you know, they're science fiction books. They have elements
42:31
Speaker 2: of extraterrestrial type stuff in them, they have elements of
42:36
Speaker 2: climate change in them. They have an incredibly nihilistic character
42:40
Speaker 2: who essentially decides that the human race has had a
42:45
Speaker 2: good run, but it's time to wrap it up. So
42:49
Speaker 2: I thought the trailer looked really visually interesting. I have
42:54
Speaker 2: not read the books. I know that the English translation
42:58
Speaker 2: of the books rearranges the stories somewhat in order to
43:01
Speaker 2: make it perhaps a little more accessible to English readers,
43:06
Speaker 2: and that there are a lot of footnotes as well
43:08
Speaker 2: to try and explain things that are of cultural significance
43:13
Speaker 2: in China that your average person outside of China would
43:16
Speaker 2: be unaware of, and therefore it wouldn't mean anything to you,
43:20
Speaker 2: so I know that the author really did work in
43:23
Speaker 2: a lot of things that are culturally significant in China
43:26
Speaker 2: as well, which makes this kind of interesting to me.
43:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, super cool. I am interested in it. I appreciate
43:34
Speaker 1: you explaining it a little bit, because, Yeah, the trailer
43:36
Speaker 1: just just looked cool to me, Like that was it right?
43:38
Speaker 2: Totally, totally, Yeah, this could be fun.
43:41
Speaker 1: Something else that looks cool to me, and I'm trying
43:43
Speaker 1: not to get my hopes up too high, is the
43:46
Speaker 1: Netflix series version live action version of Avatar the Last Airbender.
43:51
Speaker 1: We got a teeny tiny teaser trailer and also some
43:54
Speaker 1: first looks at the characters, and it looks good to me.
43:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, they look they look appropriate for the character designs
44:02
Speaker 2: that were in the original animated series. And I mean,
44:06
Speaker 2: obviously this series is going to have a lot of
44:09
Speaker 2: work to do to try and erase the memory and
44:12
Speaker 2: bad will from the m Night Shamalon adaptation live action adaptation,
44:16
Speaker 2: which I think was universally panned. I don't know of
44:19
Speaker 2: anyone who actually liked that version. I want to say
44:24
Speaker 2: my partner, I can't. I think my partner actually went
44:27
Speaker 2: to see it and is still holding a grudge about it, Like.
44:33
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. It wasn't. First of all, I really
44:40
Speaker 1: enjoy Avatar the Last Airbender. I feel like that's a
44:43
Speaker 1: high bar to me because the cartoon is just so good,
44:47
Speaker 1: Like it's really enjoyable to me. The m Night Shayamalan
44:51
Speaker 1: movie was whatever, like maybe slightly better than the old
44:57
Speaker 1: Wayans D and D movie, but not good. Yeah, so
45:02
Speaker 1: I really hope this is better.
45:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, both for the fans and you know,
45:07
Speaker 2: for potential new fans. Like I never got into the series.
45:11
Speaker 2: I watched a couple of episodes, but like you know, me, like,
45:15
Speaker 2: sometimes things just don't hook me, and this was one
45:18
Speaker 2: of those. So again, my partner loves it. She just
45:21
Speaker 2: thinks it's amazing and she devoured the whole series. She
45:24
Speaker 2: didn't watch Legend of Korra though. I tried to watch
45:28
Speaker 2: a few episodes and just maybe I just didn't go
45:31
Speaker 2: far enough, kind of like how I mean, some people
45:33
Speaker 2: say that's the same with me and Doctor Who. Although
45:36
Speaker 2: I did get all the way to Matt Smith and
45:37
Speaker 2: I still was like, this is still not doing anything
45:39
Speaker 2: for me.
45:40
Speaker 1: You went far enough, You went far enough, so you
45:44
Speaker 1: may not have found your doctor, but you went far enough.
45:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, listen, I went to one end
45:50
Speaker 2: of the universe and back and it just hasn't grabbed me.
45:52
Speaker 2: It's just not my thing. But yeah, I really hope
45:55
Speaker 2: it's great too, because I think the fans deserve it.
45:58
Speaker 2: I think it's clear the people who are working on
46:01
Speaker 2: the project. I've put a lot of work into it
46:03
Speaker 2: from a technical standpoint, and I can only hope that
46:06
Speaker 2: when we get to see actual performances like in a
46:09
Speaker 2: real either in a real trailer or when the series
46:12
Speaker 2: comes out, that it reflects all that love and hard
46:15
Speaker 2: work and that ends up being a great piece of
46:18
Speaker 2: entertainment me.
46:19
Speaker 1: Too, speaking about our space, have you watched Solar Opposites?
46:24
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that this was a show until
46:26
Speaker 2: I just happened to come across the story. The story
46:29
Speaker 2: being Solar Opposites is an animated show. It's about these
46:35
Speaker 2: aliens who were escaping their home planet, like one hundred
46:38
Speaker 2: aliens who were escaping their home planet that was being destroyed,
46:41
Speaker 2: and one couple ends up landing on Earth and it's
46:47
Speaker 2: one of them loves Earth and the other one hates Earth.
46:51
Speaker 2: And it's been going on for three seasons and now
46:55
Speaker 2: we know that season four is going to have a
46:56
Speaker 2: big change in it because one of the voice actors
47:00
Speaker 2: who was voicing a character, and this was Justin Royland,
47:04
Speaker 2: who obviously has been undergoing quite the change in career
47:10
Speaker 2: because he got accused of domestic abuse and as a result,
47:15
Speaker 2: a lot of projects that had been connected to him
47:18
Speaker 2: severed ties with him. And so now his voice has
47:22
Speaker 2: been recast, and they even released a short section and
47:28
Speaker 2: kind of serving as a trailer for the next season
47:30
Speaker 2: where they just call out the fact that his voice
47:34
Speaker 2: is different.
47:34
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, so I also didn't know this was a
47:38
Speaker 1: show until the well, today a new episode of UM
47:42
Speaker 1: actually comes out, but the last episode of them actually
47:44
Speaker 1: came out when they talked about it, like, I've maybe
47:49
Speaker 1: seen the name, but it never pinged my radar as
47:53
Speaker 1: something to watch. But yeah, I like in this clip,
47:56
Speaker 1: they essentially stabbed Justin Royland's character in the throat and
48:02
Speaker 1: then heal it, and when they heal it, his voice
48:04
Speaker 1: is different, and they're like, is he gonna sound like
48:05
Speaker 1: this always? And you know the answer is probably yes.
48:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
48:10
Speaker 1: I think that's clever.
48:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an example of what's called lamp shading, where
48:16
Speaker 2: you know there's something that the writers know the audience
48:19
Speaker 2: is going to pick up on and that if they
48:22
Speaker 2: don't address it, then it's going to just be hanging
48:25
Speaker 2: over the series, so they just call attention to it,
48:28
Speaker 2: and then that kind of excuses it. So if you
48:31
Speaker 2: think of it, there's another great example in the first
48:34
Speaker 2: Austin Powers movie where they're talking about or maybe it's
48:37
Speaker 2: the second one, but they're talking about time travel and
48:39
Speaker 2: they say, don't think about it too much, is my
48:42
Speaker 2: is my advice? And that goes for you too, and
48:44
Speaker 2: the characters looking right in the camera, and then Mike
48:47
Speaker 2: Myers turns to the camera says, yes, it's for the best,
48:50
Speaker 2: which is you know, lamp shading, saying like, yes, we
48:52
Speaker 2: know this doesn't make sense, just go with it. Uh,
48:55
Speaker 2: it's it's the kind of same thing with this, this
48:57
Speaker 2: little bit. And I thought it was I thought it
48:58
Speaker 2: was funny as long as they don't do it too much.
49:02
Speaker 2: Don't don't go all Futurama post cancelation in other words,
49:07
Speaker 2: because that show just kept on going on and on
49:10
Speaker 2: about how Fox canceled them, and I was like, Okay,
49:12
Speaker 2: we get it. Go now, get away from that. Just
49:15
Speaker 2: tell your stories one and done.
49:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, lamb shading can be fun. I know they
49:20
Speaker 1: also did it when they change actresses to play Becky
49:23
Speaker 1: in Roseanne way back when, Yes, and then kind of
49:26
Speaker 1: called back to it again in the Connors. Uh now,
49:31
Speaker 1: So it can be. It can be fun if it's
49:32
Speaker 1: done well, because you know everybody's already thinking it right,
49:35
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, well, this has changed. How do I How
49:38
Speaker 1: do I move on? And they're like, okay, we'll just
49:39
Speaker 1: say it's changed.
49:40
Speaker 2: Move on something else that's changed. I would say, uh so.
49:45
Speaker 2: We we have a trailer for a movie called The
49:48
Speaker 2: Beanie Bubble and it's it's it's a it's a film
49:51
Speaker 2: that's an adaptation, kind of a fictional telling of the
49:56
Speaker 2: incredible rise of popularity of Beanie Baby and how that
50:01
Speaker 2: made the creators very wealthy and then all the scandal
50:05
Speaker 2: that was happening behind the scenes while people were blissfully unaware.
50:10
Speaker 2: There's a movie coming out and it has Zach Galifanakis
50:13
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Banks and Zach galifan Akis is unrecognizable because
50:17
Speaker 2: he's clean shaven.
50:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting.
50:22
Speaker 2: And he didn't even really sound that much like the
50:25
Speaker 2: way I associate Zach galifan Akis sounding so when I'm
50:28
Speaker 2: watching it, I'm like, and what is that him? Is that?
50:33
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never seen his face because it's always
50:35
Speaker 2: been behind a beard. But No, the thing that I
50:37
Speaker 2: thought was funny is that the trailer, which is about
50:41
Speaker 2: the creators of Beanie Babies, has absolutely zero beanie babies
50:46
Speaker 2: in it.
50:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's footage of the truck crashing, because
50:50
Speaker 1: back when beanie babies were a big thing, there was
50:52
Speaker 1: a big truck crash and beanie babies went all over
50:54
Speaker 1: the interstate and then people went crazy and tried to
50:56
Speaker 1: get them. Am I remembering that correctly?
50:58
Speaker 2: You are remembering that correctly? Yeah, Beanie babies became a
51:01
Speaker 2: collector craze and people would like trample each other in
51:05
Speaker 2: order to try and get hold of them, because you know,
51:07
Speaker 2: like some of them would be limited runs, or there
51:10
Speaker 2: would be a run of a certain beanie Baby, but
51:12
Speaker 2: a defect was discovered and then they would stop that
51:15
Speaker 2: and then work in a new line of that character,
51:19
Speaker 2: which meant that the old version would suddenly become really
51:22
Speaker 2: valuable to collectors. But the reason why there are no
51:26
Speaker 2: so that crash, It just shows it's the little cat
51:30
Speaker 2: stuffed animals that they show. And the reason they did
51:32
Speaker 2: that is because while they had the rights to use
51:36
Speaker 2: the creator of Beanie Babies, they did not have the
51:40
Speaker 2: intellectual property rights of the actual Beanie Babies, so they
51:44
Speaker 2: could not include any real Beanie Babies in their film.
51:47
Speaker 2: And they just made this little stuffed cat to be
51:50
Speaker 2: a stand in. But it's still called the Beanie Bubbles.
51:54
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Other fun fact, it filmed in Georgia and
51:59
Speaker 1: some of the scenes were filmed like two minutes down
52:02
Speaker 1: the road from my house, so.
52:05
Speaker 2: So you probably passed You probably passed out galifan Akis
52:07
Speaker 2: and never knew it because he was clean shaven.
52:10
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it could have. Also, like it filmed
52:12
Speaker 1: in an office park near my house, so like you
52:16
Speaker 1: have to go up the driveway to get into the
52:18
Speaker 1: office park, so I may have never seen him. Also
52:20
Speaker 1: maybe like if if they had crafty there and then
52:24
Speaker 1: they took cars in and out of the location, Like
52:26
Speaker 1: if he never left the location, then I wouldn't have
52:31
Speaker 1: seen him because I don't go up into that office park.
52:34
Speaker 1: But still fun, I was like when I heard about that,
52:36
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that is that a code name for
52:40
Speaker 1: another show or movie? But no, it's not it's called
52:42
Speaker 1: the Beanie Bubble.
52:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually it's actually based off a book that was
52:46
Speaker 2: sort of a tell all about the bad behavior of
52:50
Speaker 2: the creators of Beanie Babies and sort of how they
52:52
Speaker 2: turned on each other and that. Like it's it's one
52:55
Speaker 2: of those stories where because you know, people hit success
52:58
Speaker 2: dramatically and suddenly it changes them in a way, or
53:02
Speaker 2: maybe it brings out something in them that you didn't
53:04
Speaker 2: know was there. And it's kind of one of those stories.
53:07
Speaker 2: And I just added it on here because I mean,
53:10
Speaker 2: like I would I remember the Beanie Baby craze because obviously,
53:12
Speaker 2: like that happened back in the nineties, and I was
53:16
Speaker 2: a teenager turning into a young adult in the nineties,
53:19
Speaker 2: and so it's to me, it was just one of
53:22
Speaker 2: those things. I was like, Wow. Also, it's another example
53:25
Speaker 2: of a brand getting a film. We've got several of those.
53:29
Speaker 2: Now we had Nike, we had Cheetos, like the Flame
53:33
Speaker 2: of Hot Cheetos story, and now we've got Barbie and
53:36
Speaker 2: now we've got Beanie Babies.
53:38
Speaker 1: Yep, because everything old is new again, speaking of, and
53:42
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to do this one real quick. Jonathan,
53:44
Speaker 1: you put in a scary movie which is looks like
53:47
Speaker 1: a generic scary like Bloody Mary type movie, but it
53:51
Speaker 1: is geeky because it has Robert England in it.
53:53
Speaker 2: Yes, Robert England and Bill Moseley, who was in to
53:57
Speaker 2: all of like rob zombies horror movies. He's been in those.
54:01
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's called Natty Knocks and it's about a
54:05
Speaker 2: this ghost like character and kind of like Bloody Mary,
54:08
Speaker 2: except like the story is that Natty knocks and when
54:11
Speaker 2: she knocks, she knocks nine times, and don't answer the
54:13
Speaker 2: door because Natty will get you. And it's weird because
54:16
Speaker 2: the trailer looks like it mixes supernatural horror with like
54:21
Speaker 2: slasher horror, because it looks like there's a like a
54:24
Speaker 2: serial killer type character possibly as well. It's also the
54:27
Speaker 2: trailers presented in a kind of grindhouse grainy film filter.
54:35
Speaker 2: And I don't know if the whole movie is like
54:37
Speaker 2: that or if they just did that for the trailer.
54:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me neither. I really don't have much to
54:44
Speaker 1: say about this. I don't like this kind of movie.
54:47
Speaker 2: There had put it in. I had to put it
54:49
Speaker 2: in because we always end with a horror movie trailer, you.
54:52
Speaker 1: Know, you say that we used to not and we
54:55
Speaker 1: still don't have to, but you keep doing it to me, Jonathan.
54:59
Speaker 2: I don't want to break the streak.
55:01
Speaker 1: Look, it's not like this is no we didn't build
55:04
Speaker 1: the show going. Hey, let's always end with a horror trailer. Now,
55:08
Speaker 1: this is the kind of horror movie that I watched
55:10
Speaker 1: in fifth grade that scared the schnookers out of me
55:12
Speaker 1: and made me hate horror movies. So I do like
55:14
Speaker 1: Robert England though. He's a very nice guy. At least
55:16
Speaker 1: the times that I've met him, he's been very like,
55:18
Speaker 1: kind and generous. So there's that.
55:23
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and that's it for our news.
55:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Jonathan, tell us how people should contact us
55:30
Speaker 1: if they want to reach out and share their thoughts
55:33
Speaker 1: on any of the things we've talked about today.
55:35
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have to go across town to that
55:38
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55:42
Speaker 2: been open for years now, and you'll notice that the
55:45
Speaker 2: lights are actually on, and that if you walk up
55:48
Speaker 2: to the door, it's open, and if you go in
55:49
Speaker 2: and sit down, someone actually comes up, kind of translucent
55:54
Speaker 2: and they're asking you for your order, and you need
55:57
Speaker 2: to order yourself a big boy burger, and then when
55:59
Speaker 2: they come you have to mention, oh, by the way,
56:02
Speaker 2: it's Jonathan's birthday today, and then the entire ghostly restaurant
56:07
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56:10
Speaker 2: you with my name in it. And at the very
56:12
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56:14
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56:17
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56:20
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56:24
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56:27
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56:30
Speaker 2: what's your question? Can you just tell me?
56:33
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