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#679 - Trevor Ariza on How LeBron Got Cheated, Being a Basketball Dad, Kobe, Lakers, Chris Paul & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Yo Boulet keV show Man. We got a special guest
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: in here. Eighteen year NBA veteran Damn Trevor Rees is
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: a legend all right, man, Look I'm a Suns fan
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: if you could tell by the signed Devin Booker Jersey
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  Speaker 1: behind you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but books in the building, I have to ask
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  Speaker 2: you about this.
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  Speaker 1: Just to kick the interview off, you will have a
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  Speaker 1: random cup of tea in Phoenix for a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And this was the year we drafted DeAndre Aiden's.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was quick because I think did you end
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: up in the Kings after that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I've been in a lot of places, so
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  Speaker 3: I think I did end up in Sack after that, So.
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  Speaker 2: This was like, uh No, I didn't. I was in
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  Speaker 2: DC after that. Yeah.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: This was like a weird year because the Sons drafted
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: DeAndre Aiden passed on Lukadankic despite having Igor as the coach.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Igor didn't last very long. But you come in to
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  Speaker 1: kind of be the veteran hypothetically like all these young brothers.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: I think Josh Jackson's on the team. Was there any
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: like blowback in the building or how do people feel
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  Speaker 1: about them picking Da over Luca, considering they had Luca's
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  Speaker 1: national coach as the coach of the Sons.
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  Speaker 3: When I was there, I didn't really I didn't really
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  Speaker 3: hear none of that, you know, because I wasn't there
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  Speaker 3: before they drafted, you know, so after they drafted, they
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  Speaker 3: I believe they just I don't even know. Honestly, I
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  Speaker 3: can't tell you about if there was blowback or anything,
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  Speaker 3: but ship if Luca would have been there, I probably
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  Speaker 3: would have been there. So you know, you know, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: How was How was?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's kind of like the beginning of like Alpha book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I felt.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: Like the bubble year comes and then you know, we
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: go undefeated, Like what was your just limited time around
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  Speaker 1: Booker as a teammate.
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  Speaker 3: I watched book work his ass off. I watched him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, continue to try to find ways to be
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  Speaker 3: as good as he can. I saw him out work everybody,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, he just that want to take his
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  Speaker 3: take the next step in his career at that time
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  Speaker 3: was very very like he was pressing for that, like
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  Speaker 3: he wanted that and not pressing in a bad way,
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  Speaker 3: but he wanted every moment. He wanted to be in
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  Speaker 3: every moment where it all fell on his shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's dope. Man.
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  Speaker 1: Now you got this event happening back home. Yeah, Turks
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  Speaker 1: July thirty first, that's next weekend. This is dope, man.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know you were from Turks.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know that. I don't really
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  Speaker 3: talk that much, so you know, a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't know that unless they knew me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were the first guy to like, I know,
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  Speaker 1: your dad was like a really popping basketball player there, right,
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  Speaker 1: but like you're the first guy to make it to
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  Speaker 1: like one of the major leagues.
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  Speaker 3: First, and so far the only one, right, So we're
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  Speaker 3: trying to change that narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I always wonder when you're coming up in a
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  Speaker 1: place like that, like you were talking about the ads
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  Speaker 1: from the Bahamas, I would like, like there's probably the
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  Speaker 1: uphill battle to get into just the world of like
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  Speaker 1: professional basketball has to be so much greater because you're
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  Speaker 1: so you're far away, like like what was that journey like?
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  Speaker 2: So for me, Well, I was born in Miami.
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  Speaker 3: You know, both of my parents, my whole family's from
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  Speaker 3: Turks and Keekos, but usually around I guess my time
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  Speaker 3: even now a lot of a lot of the parents
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  Speaker 3: try to have their kids be born in the States
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  Speaker 3: or the UK.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Just more opportunities and and you know, a bigger world
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  Speaker 3: for lack of better words, and more opportunities to be
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  Speaker 3: able to to go into whatever field that there is
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  Speaker 3: out there for you.
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  Speaker 2: That's dope, man.
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  Speaker 1: What is the breakdown this weekend though, Like, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: obviously gonna be a lot of a lot of your
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: homies go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So this weekend, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot of athletes. They're golfing with me for that for
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: that initiative. They like to golf a lot of them.
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  Speaker 3: But we're doing like different activations. We're trying to combine
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  Speaker 3: the community with a lot of the local business leaders
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  Speaker 3: and also do activations in sports and basketball. That's something
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  Speaker 3: that got me. The platform that I do, got got
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  Speaker 3: me the notoriety that I do have. And I always
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  Speaker 3: just thought that if I was able to be able
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  Speaker 3: to make it to where I made it to, there
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  Speaker 3: has to be more people from where I'm from that
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  Speaker 3: could do the same thing or even take it further.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, being able to come back and show
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  Speaker 3: them just things that I learned over my way over
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  Speaker 3: my journey.
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  Speaker 2: Is more than important.
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  Speaker 1: Is it also like important to try to get the
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  Speaker 1: resources out there for up and coming athletes have a pipeline.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the AAU world makes.
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  Speaker 2: It like.
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  Speaker 1: It's expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know your son is he goes to Orgon.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I have a son that goes to Oregon here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I got a son who does
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  Speaker 1: AAU tournaments. We just went to Vegas for a tournament
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  Speaker 1: and that shit, Like I was like, bro, we spent
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  Speaker 1: like three thousands.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's just one tournament. That's for the whole summer.
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  Speaker 3: You could be spending twenty twenty five thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So for kids that don't have that ability or is
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  Speaker 3: not can afford that, where do they go?
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  Speaker 2: What do they do?
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  Speaker 3: And being from a small island like Turce and Kekos
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  Speaker 3: where the resources are limited in that way given trying
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  Speaker 3: to find ways to bring more resources and give them
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity the same way as we had here or
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  Speaker 3: the same way that I was afforded. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that's a duty of mine.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. I am the biggest
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: Warriors hater and in the twenty eighteen season, or the playoffs.
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: I finally thought they were done. I was like, Chris
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: Paul gets injured. You as the Rockets are having this crazy,
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  Speaker 1: just crazy run, CP goes down obviously heartbreaking, man. I
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  Speaker 1: think if he would have gotten injured, things probably would
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  Speaker 1: have gone different.
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  Speaker 2: When you agree with that absolutely.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: You go zero for nine from the three, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think you guys missed thirty seven three pointers in Game seven.
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  Speaker 2: That shit is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It was what I was sitting in a pool in Scottsdale, Arizona,
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, what is if y'all would
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  Speaker 1: have made five more than formal s man?
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  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, that shit was like. So
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: they have like this like.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: Sometimes when you train in when you shoot, they have
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  Speaker 3: like this thing that you put on the rim that
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: makes the rim a little bit smaller. So in order
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  Speaker 3: for the ball for you to make the shot, it
• 6:52
  Speaker 3: got to be it gotta be perfect. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: one of those Liz was on that on the second
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  Speaker 3: half of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what's so crazy is I feel
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: like Darryl Moury and Mike D'Antoni were right, like they
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  Speaker 1: built the team. Like Darryl Morriy always said he was
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  Speaker 1: like building the team to beat the Warriors.
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  Speaker 3: It's just the Yeah, we had opportunities to beat them,
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: but again, you know the basketball guys, wasn't they wasn't
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  Speaker 3: they wasn't feeling us at that point in time. It
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: was something that we must have did wrong in the
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: beginning of the season to prepare for that.
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  Speaker 2: So when you.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: Look back at him, because obviously you've had some incredible
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: teams you've been a part of, obviously two thousand and
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: nine one in the ship with the Lakers, But do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like that Rockets team was the best team
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: you were on.
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  Speaker 3: Man, it's probably one of the best teams, like, but
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: statistically probably the best team.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: Because you had hard and MVP season right yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: CP cooking yeah, and just.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: Just shooters Pat Wait, Pat wasn't there.
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: We had the PJ Tucker center year.
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  Speaker 3: Tuck was there Loop yep, myself. Those are three pieces
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  Speaker 3: that you could just you could just move around. Then
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: you had Clint back there, young Clint Capella, who could guard,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a live threat protect the rim. Then you
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: had nine coming in. He switched who switched it up,
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: switched up styles when he came in a game, very
• 8:17
  Speaker 3: aggressive on defense, very smart, able to you know, uh
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: kind of quarterback the defense. And then we had Jeff Bisdelick,
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't really know who was
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: one of the defensive coaches. Who was he coached with
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  Speaker 3: with what's his name George Carl for a long time, right,
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  Speaker 3: and he just was brilliant and he brought in, you know,
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  Speaker 3: our schemes with with our personnel and the combination of
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: what we had him and coach D'Antoni for the offense,
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  Speaker 3: it was like we had all the tools necessary to
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: win a championship. We just again fucked around and went cole.
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  Speaker 1: Did you because it always felt like there was a
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: real disdain between the Rockets and Warriors for like two
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: or three seasons. Did you guys really feel some type
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: of way about the Warriors?
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: I feel like you would feel the way if somebody
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: kicked your ass every day, right, you know. And we
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: were a team that we are confident, We had a
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: good time. We we cared for each other, and we
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: covered for each other on the court, and you know,
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: we weren't a bad team as well, so we felt
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: like we could beat them. But yeah, you're gonna feel
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: a way about a team that constantly finds ways to
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: get over, you know, beating you.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: It's just like playing a video game.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they did. When they got ad
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: it was like and then there was the year they
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: got DeMarcus, which I think they lost that year.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: Actually, no, they didn't have them, I don't think.
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: I think it was the year after when they lost
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: the when they lost the Rappers. Yeah, yeah, the five
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  Speaker 1: there something, because like I feel like CP gets Depending
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: on who you ask, he is a very He's a
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: polarizing guy in the league. Like some people who play
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: with him, they like they have negative things. But then
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: there's other people who play with him that are like, yo,
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: he was, but it always felt like when he was
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: with the Suns on our championship run. Yeah, that in
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: the final two or three minutes of the game, there
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: was a calmness because he had the ball.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: I mean you for his game and what he's done.
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, when is the last time that Phoenix went
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: to out.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: The play well, yeah, before that it was two thousand
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it was twenty eleven.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: And then he gets there and they go to the
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: finals when it's the last time they've been to the
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: finals probably only once too, right, ninety three or.
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: Something free with the Bulls against the Bulls.
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So if one player can come in and change
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: your organization and help get to those in those moments,
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, can you argue with.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, how can you argue with that?
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: I always told people, like the Thunder year, when you
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: went to the Thunder and it was supposed to be
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: a throwaway year and he got him like the four
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: or five seed.
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: And look and look what that turned into. That get
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: a cornerstone franchise superstar player to shape them. Same thing
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: that I feel like happened with Book, but got around him,
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: learned the ways that he was able to teach and
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: book was able to be the player that he needed
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: to be as far as that that killer to go
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: out there and score and play his game, you know,
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: the way that he needs to be for that franchise
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: to be as good as they were at that time.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: You know, he changes a lot of careers.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: You have played for some of the greatest coaches of
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: all time. I always wonder you get traded midway well,
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: the next season, your second year in the league, you
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: get traded, did you how how much did you actually
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: get to be around Larry Brown?
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: I was around Larry Brown from when he started in
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: the Knicks for the Knicks until I was out of there.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: Because when did you get traded?
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: Was it mid February?
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: So February so it was kind of midway through the
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: season break. Yeah, so round the trade deadline was Because
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: I always wonder the contrast of like a guy like
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Phil Jackson who always is like woos and then you
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: got Larry Brown, who's like just angry, but they're both incredible,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: like both all time great coaches.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: In the In the moment, PJ is like he knows
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: how to I believe he does a really good job
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: of managing personalities because there's a system that's already in place.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: The only thing you gotta do is continue to learn
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: the system and work so being able to manage like
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: big egos and superstar players and make them mesh well
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: with role players or players that don't play that much.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: To get to get the most out of everybody, I
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: feel like you got to be a great like manipulator
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: of man how to.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Deal with people's egos. And he obviously dealt with all
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: kinds of big threes and Rodman and let Rodman go
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: to Vegas for a night.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: You gotta know your you gotta know what how you're
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: gonna get the best out of your players. And if
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. At
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's about the results, right,
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: no matter how you get there, it's just a results.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: And I feel like Coach Brown. Coach Brown was like
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: he's going to every day, He's going to pound on
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: what you need to do or how we need to
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: get it done. And you don't realize how good of
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: a of a mote evader he is until you go
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: somewhere else. You know, you don't even understand how important
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: he is until you're you're now in his position or
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: you're trying to teach other younger players. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Damn that's what the was talking about, because.
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  Speaker 1: That had that had to be a wild locker room.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: It was like Steph Marbury, Steady Curry like, Yeah, it
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: was like it was like a lot of it was.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: That was one of those Nix seasons that I'm sure
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Knicks fans would like to forget about. So tell me. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you end up you're with the Magic and stan
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Van Gundy and then you get traded to the Lakers
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: and then you help the Lakers beat the Magic in
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: the finals.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good moment for me personally.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine you have a chip on your shoulder.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've always had a chip on my shoulder though, right
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: from the beginning of my career. I've always had like
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: these people just don't understand like what I can do, right,
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  Speaker 3: So being able to play the team that didn't believe that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe even they maybe it wasn't the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they didn't believe that I could help their team, it's
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: just the fact that maybe the players that were that
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: were there at the time just fit what he liked
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  Speaker 3: better than what I could do at that point in time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you end up having these two clutch steals
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  Speaker 1: in the game, and like being such an integral part
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: of that team. You were damn near like the Scottie
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Pippen of that team, like if you will, like it
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: was a bit it was it was like I feel
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: like that was like you're coming out party too right now?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Like now that turned you into like a household name.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean playing for the Lakers, you're pretty you know,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and getting You're on a big stage. So if you
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: if you play well and you know you you play
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: hard and you receive you're received well around the world
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: because the Lakers is such a high profile organization.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I saw you say that Kobe's won a Lebron's one
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: b all time.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Is that is that when you don't count Jordan's okay, when.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You don't count Jordan, so you think Jordan, we're putting
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Jordan number one.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan is not even he don't count.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: He doesn't count.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: He's like, Jordan doesn't count.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the okay? Because Lebron's going to he
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: just went to Philly, right, which I don't think a
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: lot of people expected, But what would Lebron have to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: do because he is on this unprecedented stretch of I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: think it's year twenty two now.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Twenty four, which is fucking that is nuts. That's cool, though,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I want to see him get to twenty five. No,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: nobody ain't gonna never Cach.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like for you, as somebody who went
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: up against him and somebody who played with Kobe, what
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: more does he have to do for people to be like, Nah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: he's the goat.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I just I think everybody has their own like personal
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: preference on what they like. It ain't about who's who
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: because they all are different. The most comparable players, I
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: guess would be Kobe, Kobe and Jordan because their.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Game was similar.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but bron game is completely different things their games.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: We haven't really seen anybody at that level of greatness
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: be able to do so much at such a high level.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a lot of different things, and he
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: does all the small things too that maybe your eighth
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: or nine man would do, and he still makes the
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: spectacular plays that your superstar would do.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on him choosing Philly and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: how do you think that's gonna pan.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Out, Well, I got like I have interest like different
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: type of views. For a number of reasons. I think
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: their team is going to be really good because again
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Bron is still Lebron James. He does a lot of
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: different things, just had a great season, and he doesn't
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: have to be like your main Yeah, he doesn't score,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: he don't got to be your main anything with the
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: guys you got, But the way he drives the game
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and like the business parts of it, I feel.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Like he was cheated a little bit.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Why and because he's a huge draw to the game,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Like how much money do you feel like he's created
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: for the game for the.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: NBA billions and billions and billions of dollars.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And probably still going to create billions.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And it's always said the right things. It's always went
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: on whatever trips they want them on.
• 19:26
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  Speaker 1: So why do you feel like Lebron was cheated with this?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, So there's there's two parts to this, right. There's
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the player, the competitor, and then there's the business man. Right,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: So as players like emotionally we be like into the game,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: into the players that you play with. But then like
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: there's a business side to it right and understanding, like
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: worse than what you are and what you bring. There's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a value on that, right, regardless of how old you are,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: how long you've been doing something, there's a value for that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah too, you know from me just personally, him planning
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: for whatever for me they publicized. I'm not sure if
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: that's the right one.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So so you think, because you know you, I think
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he said he was going to sacrifice a payday.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: For he fucking did. That's huge.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. You get him on essentially a minimum.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It's not quite the minimum, but it's it's right there. Yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But again, and then then you look at the Lakers
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what what happened there? Where he could
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like he because if he had tooken a pay cut
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: with the Lakers, they probably could have still had the Kessler.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Bro Like, nah, it wasn't it was. It probably was
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: time for him to to move on.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could kind of tell they're like just full
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Luka mode. Whatever you want, man, they would have got
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a center.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, it was just probably time
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: for him to move on. It just it's kind of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: crazy to see like someone like that playing or taking
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: a business, like the business part of it kind of
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: feiling like that. And I'm not even saying that it's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a fail, but it's just it just don't add up
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: for what he is and what he does.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the other thing that sucks is we're
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: in this second apron like salary cap era where like
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: players really like a guy like Lou Dort gets traded
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: for four second round picks and he was on first NBA.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Defense last year.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what is but they can't afford to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: keep everybody?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I know, that's crazy.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the new salary cap rules are
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: squeezing out vets?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I've been doing it for a long time.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Because a guy like Russell Westbrook is still not on
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a team. And it happened last year too.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: That's my point, Like wait.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: A minute, yeah, like what he's done for the league,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: nobody has done production wise too. Nobody has done that,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Like he.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Was looking nice on the Kings last year.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Like nobody is doing what he's doing, and like the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: narrative that's being put and he's not even a bad dude,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's always giving back, he's
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: always helping his teammates. He's always trying to find ways
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: to make his teammates better, regardless of you know, things
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: that people highlight about what may be a deficiency, but
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: still every player has a deficiency. Look at his production,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: look at what he's doing.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: What do you think Because you were on the Russell
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Westbrook Laker team.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: That was your final year, yep, that was my last year?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: What went wrong there?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I mean everything went wrong. Everybody's old at ship on
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: the team. It was it's just putting together a bunch
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: of players that you know, were really really good at
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: a point in time when you.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Got hell coming off the bench. It was just like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a in theory. It felt like it was supposed to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: be like an expandable What was what's the name of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that movie with like Sylvester Stallone and yeah, expandables.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Just looked miserable though. I was like, oh man, this
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: is just just not working. It was like a basketball
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: fit thing.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Everybody play inside the paint, So when there's no space
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: inside the paint, how do you You can't really, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: can't tell Russ who is the point guard, to go
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: stand in the corner and expect them to shoot forty percent.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: He don't got no rhythm to the game.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He's crazy too, because they got Malik Monk that you're
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: on the on the minimum and then after that Malik
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: left him went crazy.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Malik's a really good player.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: He's really good. Yeah, what if you had to tell
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: me what what? Because you like we talked about the coaches.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Thing you've played for Mike d'An TONI, you've played for
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Spoe for a second.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Spo Phil.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: What is your I'm sure for different reasons, but but
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: but which coach was your favorite? Not necessarily your best
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: coach that you ever had, but your favorite.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I got two favorites.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Rick Adaman was one, Okay, he was really good my
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: first time in Houston, yep. And my second favorite is Money.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Williams money Man.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Money is really good, a great person, a great guy.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: And his exit. I don't think there's anybody, even the
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: best coaches who x'es and O's was as like on
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: point as his.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Money thing is like worked in Phoenix until
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it didn't. You you you guys had you were there,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like what with the Pelicans?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yea, the Hornets.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: So it was his first year we went the three,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: we went to the playoffs second round, first or second round.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: We played the Lakers. Jared Jack Jared Jack was on
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: that team, No p J.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So the second year, the team is in the middle
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: of getting so so the CP ends up leaving.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Are you there? When the trade gets vetoed.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: D West ends up leaving and then the league owns
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the team. So we got like I guess they call
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: him two way players now, but back then it was
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like G League. So we had like like seven G
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: League players on our team, and the team was trying
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: to figure out how to like what to do? So
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: what I so then I started looking at it from
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: a business perspective, all right, we want to have a
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: low salary cap, right, possibly see if what we can
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: do to get like, you know, a really hot pick,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: which they ended up getting a number one pick, being
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Anthony Davies, right, and then like you know, whoever purchases
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: the team, they have this great asset with this young.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Cornerstone number one pick.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so they got pieces to trade and
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you got the number one pick and who was Anthony Davis?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: What is it like being on a team that's tanking?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: It is because you've been on some taking ass teams like.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: As a competitor, and at that point in my career,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: it's like miserable because I've won pretty much like all
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the places that I've been from high school to you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: all the way.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So you know when you are.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: When you like to compete, when you like to to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: win more than you like when you hate losing more
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: than you like to win. You know, that's being on
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: a team that's tanking is like miserable.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: What do you think the record wise? Do you remember
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the worst team you played on in the NBA, like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the worst like where it was just like.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Jesus, that had to probably be it the Hornets. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I think that probably was it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Talk to me, man, because when we think about you've
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: talked about Kobe a lot in a lot of podcasts,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But I want to know, what is a random Phil
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Jackson story you could share.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Phil Jackson he used to say some off the wall
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: things like crazy stuff like he used to just tell
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: us about places that he was from and some of
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: the things that they would say or do where he's from.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: And it was just like it's not really you can't
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: really talk about that, not enough bad way.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: It's just some crazy.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Shit, he's off the wall, dude. Is the like what
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: do you make y'all do yoga?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And shit?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Is that like a real thing?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Where I think when when I played for the Lakers,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: we used to do a lot of meditating before you
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: watch film. So and in the playoffs, they were there
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: were themes to each series and like each series was
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: its shaped differently, right, So they used to pick out
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: movies that was similar to the opponent.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like Phil would be like, hey, everyone watched
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: this movie.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: In our film sessions, he would put clips of different
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: parts of the movie, like so it'll be like a
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: ten minute clip to get you locked in right to
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the movie. And then he'll just will go into like
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a quarter of what we need to work on and
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: then he'll, you know, move on.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And what was the movie he was using against the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Magic Like, what was the do you remember.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: The I don't remember.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: But the movie that I do remember is when we
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: were playing against Denver and it was the movie was
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: called best of Show, Best in Show.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It was like a dog. They had Ai and Mellow right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: they he probably felt like they were the best team.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, and they also were like the two flashiest dudes.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, it was. It was. That was pretty cool.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: When you first get into the league, who's the first
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: guy you defend? That really makes you realize like, ah fuck, I'm.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Here, Ah man, who was the first dude that I
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: have to guard that you were just like obviously Kobe,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Kobe was probably the first dude that I was like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: oh man, this is crazy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the hardest guy you had to defend?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: That?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Or a guy who you just had just so many
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: battles with over the years where you were just like
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you had to make sure you got up for him.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Like the toughest player for me to guard was probably Mellow.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Mellow was just extremely extremely physic cool and relentless physical.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: So like he'll foil you too.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just fouls you on the at the free
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: throw line, you know what I mean. He was pushing,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: he's grabbing, he's elbow and he's doing all the physical
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: things like to just wear you down over the course
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: of a game. And he's he's going to shoot the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: ball as many times as you know, he.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Feels like you got it, you got it. There's a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: lot of jumping.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Twenty nine.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: So it's it's like somebody that like locked in and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: that that physical is it wears on you.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I can imagine when you guys end up on the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: expendables Lakers and you're playing with a guy who you
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: guys beat in the finals, like Dwight. Dwight's on that team, right,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah, and then you got Mellows on the team.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: What is is the locker room?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Is I feel like that locker room, had everyone been
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: getting along, which I don't know if they were or not,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: should have been like the coolest like old head NBA
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: shooting the ship combos of all time.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I mean we've all been playing, we're all
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: in the former MVP.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: We're all in the same like generation, so we've been
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: playing against each other since high school, all of us.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: So it was like a real cool like locker room.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: It's just we couldn't. Everybody was kind of older past
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: their primes. And sometimes when you have like a lot
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: of players like that, there are small parts about the
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: game that you know people or fans don't really know
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: about that the players just can't do or they won't
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: do because they never had to do it. Yeah, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: you need players that are chasing fifty to fifty balls
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: diving on the floor. You need players that gonna get
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: deflections and stuff like that make the game muddy sometimes
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: because those are the parts of the game.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. All right, So let's take Kobe out of
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the conversation. You played with Lebron, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: James Harden, Devin Booker CP. Who's the craziest killer you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: ever play with? Who just had.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: That that dog in him?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: That was just he If it's at the end of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the game, I feel good when he has the ball.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Kobe aside, So they're different. Chris's Floyd General Dame is
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: probably the one that's probably gonna like at the end
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: of the game if he got the rock, everybody is
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: going to be like, oh shit, like he's gonna do
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: something crazy, and he could. His range is just so far.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think about that shot against the the Thunder.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: We send a lot of people on packing. Yeah, Dame
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: is probably the one that that out of the guys
• 32:43
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  Speaker 1: You man to watch. Turks kind of turn into like
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  Speaker 1: the Rappers playground. Yeah, Drake be out there. Everybody goes
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  Speaker 1: to Turks, now, is it right? Do you? I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's probably good for the local.
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  Speaker 2: Economy, right, it's great for the time.
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  Speaker 1: Great, Like it feels like it's grown a lot, Like
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on? Just like kind of Turks
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  Speaker 1: turning into kind of like the new to Loom if
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  Speaker 1: you everyone's going.
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  Speaker 3: There, like, uh, well that's in this social media era, right.
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  Speaker 3: Turks has always been a place that has been extremely I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like it was always a family place.
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  Speaker 3: It's always been expensive. Yes, so it's never been a
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  Speaker 3: place where you know, you go scrape up a couple
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  Speaker 3: of a couple of you know, go have a great time.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's very very like as far as that's concerned,
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  Speaker 3: like the vacation or the tourism part, is has always
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  Speaker 3: been a destination.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that the.
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  Speaker 3: Our hip hop culture didn't really know until you know,
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  Speaker 3: people start rapping about it, like yeah, but it definitely
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  Speaker 3: boosts the economy. Everybody want to want to go there
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  Speaker 3: now and vacationary see how beautiful it is. But the
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  Speaker 3: thing that is the most important to me is that
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  Speaker 3: people understand about the people, right are there not just
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  Speaker 3: the beauty.
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  Speaker 1: Of not just the resorts clubs? And how is are
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you like a solid golfer?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Is this Am I a solid golfer? I'm a getting
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: better golfer. I'm a competitive golfer, meaning like I can compete.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: If you had to, Like, like, is there an NBA
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: play player that just brings the a game on the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: course that you're like this guy's sick, Like he's too good?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Like so Jr. Is really good? Yeah, I've seen that
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  Speaker 3: Boydrel is real good. Chris is real good from I've
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: never got to be on a course with or seen
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  Speaker 3: him play, but I hear Steph is really good.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I heard it's like Lebron's like dialed in on golf.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: At of it, it seemed like, yep, can you I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: feel like you played with James? I think James is
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you know, however, way you cut at the top five
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: shooting guard of all time. Yeah, probably higher. But he
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: has this reputation of not being able to get over
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the umph or disappearing in the.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Big games or whatever.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest misconception about James
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Harden as somebody who was in those wars with him
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and was a part of some of those teams that
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: maybe kind of fell short.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the probably the misconception. Again, I don't
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  Speaker 3: I don't really know what people think. I can only assume.
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  Speaker 3: So my assumption would be that he's he doesn't care
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  Speaker 3: as much as he does, right, That would be something
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  Speaker 3: that I probably would think that people wouldn't wouldn't think
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  Speaker 3: he did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he works his ass off.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: He works hard, you know, he he works on this
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  Speaker 3: game all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he I mean, how do you feel about
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: how he plays? He did change the game. They had
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to change rules.
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  Speaker 3: For him, for sure. He definitely changed the game the
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: way it's viewed. The way it's played. He gave different
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: a different style, which gave a whole bunch of other
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: people opportunity to create what they have. I feel like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: if we don't get James, you don't get Luca, you
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like you gotta kind
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: of like like applaud pioneers when they're doing things that
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  Speaker 3: they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: That step back bro the double steps when you had
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  Speaker 1: to defend that in practice, did you ever tell me traveled.
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  Speaker 2: In practice? I was liking it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, his up, that's crazy, all right? So listen,
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  Speaker 1: you have the event coming up next well, by the
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  Speaker 1: time this drops, it'll be this coming week. Do you
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: have anything else? Because obviously, man, I want to ask
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you because you have very successful as a father. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: have a kid who's doing AAU he's twelve. What is
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the key to kind of dialing in that world and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: being a basketball dad at a high level?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: So I got another son who just finished up eighth
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: grade going into high.
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  Speaker 1: School and he's playing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty good too.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that I believe helps kids, and from my
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  Speaker 3: perspective and only mine, is when they listen, when they
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  Speaker 3: are able to take instructive criticism positively and they understand
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  Speaker 3: what it means. And when you just have kids that
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  Speaker 3: just love to love to work.
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the three pointer has kind of like
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: some You'll see a lot of these kids, bro and
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: they stick their tray young or mellow, and they'll they'll
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: be just launching like those.
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  Speaker 3: Are fans of the game instead of people that actually
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  Speaker 3: know the game. So if if if you have kids
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  Speaker 3: that's just out here like just shooting truck, those are
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: people that are being taught by fans. I think that
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: makes my personal opinion, that makes sense instead of people
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  Speaker 3: that's teaching the thing that you should be teaching the
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: kids from. Again, just my humble opinion is how to communicate.
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  Speaker 2: On the court.
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  Speaker 3: On the court, rebounding right, and just being able just
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  Speaker 3: to play hard every single time you're.
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  Speaker 2: On the court, both sides of the ball, on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: Learn how to affect the game and more ways, those.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Are the most important things to the game to me.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, scoring is obviously important, of course, but like.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: You want to, you want to, you want your coach,
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  Speaker 1: you feel good about you being out there, if your shots,
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  Speaker 1: if you're doing everything else.
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  Speaker 3: Right, if you're not gonna I if because again, like
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: if you're shooting from far out, your percentages go down.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: So the closer you get to the basket, the higher
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: your percentage is. Right, So running for layups is important,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: but that takes effort for sure, Right, Getting deflections or
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: getting stills on defense, those are fast breakpoints, Yep, those
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: are important to the to winning. So if you're not
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: really being taught those things. Right, and we fall in
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: love with watching Trey or Steph who is unbelievable, they
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: unbelievable shooters, you're gonna like, you know, you're missing all
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: the stuff that got him to the point that he
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: got to because Steph leads the league and most threes made, right,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: but he also scores a lot of layups, which nobody
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: pays attention to.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: This is a fellon.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: You played against a lot of the guys in the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: league right now. Who do you think is the most
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: underrated player in the NBA right now?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Man, Damn, I gotta think about that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Just don't get enough flowers, or maybe don't don't get
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned as much.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Who plays in the league right now that doesn't get
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: enough attention? Uh, well, I'm gonna go with somebody that
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: plays like me McDaniels.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: For McDaniels, Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love him. I love his game.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I thought if Lebron wanted to a ring that was
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the most Minnesota. I just thought, because he's got them,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: he's got him and go bear to you got that
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: back line on defense man?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there they are scary.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: And now that they have a point guard, like a really,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: really really good point guard, I think that it allows.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: It's an open everything for Anthony Edwards.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like when CP got to Houston, when
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: he got the Phoenix.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I mean that's what I mean. When he got the Phoenix.
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  Speaker 2: You know, now we're to play point guard.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: It'll allow for him to to be more of a
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: score because he's you can't really stop him getting to
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the can.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Do I feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: One of the more unexpected wild exchanges of players in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a while. I think since we had the Luca trade, you.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Know, I feel like every organization have the right to
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: do what they want to do. You just have to
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: give like better reasons for that, because when you're dealing
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: with like like fan base and like public perception. What
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: is the reason you trade him for because he has
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: an opinion or whatever the case may be, for what
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: the media says, like, who.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Cares someone's given you one hundred thousand dollars. You have
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to be at it. Who's coming out of the east,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: who's coming out.
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  Speaker 2: Of the west. Somebody give me one hundred thousand.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: No, you can't keep it. You have to bet it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: You gotta bet it. So just like burnt money, right, yes.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Listen, you gott who's coming out the east? Who's coming
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: out the west this year? As the cards have fallen
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: so far?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me see tell me what the cars look like.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, right now we know obviously the thunder of
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the thunder, the spurs of the spurs. Luca's got the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Great Whites, Celtics looking like the Celtics in the eighties,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and l.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Minister Minnesota probably like third right now to me, Oklahoma
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: and San Antonio.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: That's that's the hierarchy of the West, and.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Philly is lig New York is still going to be
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that and Miami is you mean when you got Bam
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: and then you got fucking the Greek freak. Yeah, it's
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: hard to like, it's hard to like overlook it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hard the pain is gonna be
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: hard to score.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: It will be probably it will be hard to score.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: But I feel like even on offense too, because you
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: know Bam is starting.
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  Speaker 2: To you know, expand his range here.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: And fucking Gianness is all downhill for real, Like he
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: stays at the free throw line. So but again, Miami's
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: coaching staff and their system, they're so good at what
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: You always hear everyone says Spo is like when it
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: comes to this ship, for real, he might be the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: best coach like of the last you know, however many
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: years you played with him for a season.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Right, Their whole, their whole organization from top to bottom,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: is like that. So like everybody is on the same page.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's nobody off off. Like if you step out of that,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you are the sore thumb and you stick out and
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: you probably won't last.
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  Speaker 2: Fall in line with the heat coaching.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even the falling line, it's that you want
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  Speaker 3: to be a part of that line because it's so
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: it's beautiful. You know, it's a great thing if you
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: if you're disciplined and you love the game, and you
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  Speaker 3: love with what you know they're about.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It works.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And they're so good at drafting from like fifteen to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like thirty one. That's the only time they can pick players.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That's how good they their scouts the end. Yeah, that's
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: how good they are.
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  Speaker 1: Well listen, Trevor, I appreciate you pulling up man. Make
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  Speaker 1: sure you guys, you is there is there a way
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  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, just going to my page whatever and
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  Speaker 1: You got Booker pulling up the golf but yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: books coming, Yeah, pulling up a secp's coming. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: tell book Man, tell them to trade Jalen Green so
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  Speaker 1: we can fucking make him a shooting guard again. For
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: fuck's sake, we need a point guard. For love of Christ.
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  Speaker 1: What's what's the owner's name? This guy's playing, he's playing
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  Speaker 2: Oh't know. I'm just I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an NBA fanos breaking into the interview here. But listen, man,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you pulling up. Go support Trevor. You're a legend.
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  Speaker 1: Do a podcast, man.
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  Speaker 2: Do a podcast.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: You should do a podcast. You gotta do a podcast
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  Speaker 1: with like another og, like from the Lakers, maybe that
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  Speaker 3: If I do a podcast, it's gonna be with Banger
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  Speaker 3: DJ Banger.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, why not. That's my guy. There it is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean or you and Chris, I mean
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  Speaker 1: Chris do a podcast. He's coaching.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris has done so much for the game, and
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  Speaker 3: he's one of those guys who always looking the way
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  Speaker 1: So there it is. Man, Well, listen, I appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: pulling up Trevor. Reason my gosh, love Yes, sir, fire.
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