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Jerm Warfare — David Kurten on being principled and unpopular · UK Column Radio

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Gee, it's been a while and the first time on my UK column show
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Dave Curtain. None.
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Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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A nuclear winter and the whole world dying around us.
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And after, you know, I've chatted.
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I'd still like to go and play a game of tennis afterwards.
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Thank you. You know, I hope that doesn't
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happen, but if it does, you just got to try and, you know, get
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yourself through everything, don't you?
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I mean, there's so much rubbish happening all over the place.
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But The thing is that, you know, there's two things that that
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lift my spirit as well. The one is that we're fighting
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that there's so many good people fighting back.
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And I think, you know, since it's the craziness of 2020 with
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all the lockdowns and stuff, it's like I lost a huge number
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of friends, but I found some new friends.
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I found a new, a group of people that are, you know, that are
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fighting together and we're on the same side and we realise
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what's going on and we want to make the world a better place.
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I mean, I'm not, I'm not into creating a whole new world, a
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whole new system, but just, you know, making a better place
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where we are. And, and of course, the second
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thing, as you know, is my faith. I'm a Christian, I'm very open
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about that and that all always helps as well.
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So that's fantastic too. Yeah, I do.
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And you know, I mean, I'm so blessed to be the leader of the
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Heritage Party in the UK because that gives me amazing purpose.
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You know, I, it was very disappointing in 2021 when I was
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on the London Assembly, I stood for re election.
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I didn't get back on. So I lost my position there.
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But I've got a new position and I'm trying to create this and
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build this. And there's a lot of people
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who've joined and yeah, I, I have purpose in trying to fight
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the insanity, you know, and I've spoken at length and many times
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in different places about cultural Marxism, globalism,
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Agenda 2030, all of the things and how they're interconnected,
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all of these things that are trying to decline and decay and
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demolish society. But I wake up thinking, well,
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you know, I, I today, I want to be productive.
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You know, I don't always think that, but I get up in the
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mornings and I, I pray, you know, God help me be productive
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today and do something good. And yeah, he, he does.
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And, and, you know, like today, I'm talking to you.
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And before I came on your show to record this, I, I did another
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interview with another gentleman who lives in a town in the South
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of England where they're fighting a migrant, not a hotel,
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but a migrant centre being set up in their town, which is going
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to be full of military aged men. You know, So I've done a lot
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today already. And I know people won't know
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this, but for me it's 10:00 in the morning.
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So it's, I'm looking forward to doing more things in the day.
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So. So yeah.
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And everything I do, it gives me a sense of purpose.
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And you know, I hope that radiates out and and other
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people can catch that too. And they do.
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And it's great to see that. Just very quickly, the Heritage
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Party. Now I'm not British, so you'll
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have to give me a quick refresher.
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I remember, I mean, this is how you and I met.
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I think you gave what was it the presentation you spoke at some
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political event or in, I don't know where it was.
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It was years ago and I can't remember.
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That time you interviewed me, it was, it was ages ago, it was
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like 4 years ago or something. And I think I was still on the
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London Assembly then. And I think that's.
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What it was, yeah, I think that's what it was.
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And and there was something that you said that really resonated
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with me, which is why I contacted you.
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But just very quickly then. OK, So the Heritage Party, what
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is it? So it's a socially conservative
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party in the UK because there wasn't 1.
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And I set it up in 2020 because I thought the UK needs a
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properly socially conservative party with good principles that
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we can hang our policies on. So we're for obviously we're for
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national sovereignty because I was in the fight for Brexit for
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many years beforehand. But we stand for traditional
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family values, a culture of life.
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We're a pro life party, financial responsibility in
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government, self sufficiency in skills, self sufficiency in
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energy. So we're against all of this net
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zero nonsense and we're against the wokery and all this rubbish
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that is coming that is bringing in, you know, this identity
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politics which is completely destructive because it pits
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different groups against each other.
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I mean, this is basically the cultural Marxism which has been,
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you know, building since the 1920s if you go back in history.
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But it's actually, you know, really coming to the front now
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and, and, and being very destructive in what it does in
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politics and, you know, many other positive principles,
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equality before the law, you know, and now in the UK, we've
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got this 2 tier policing, 2 tier justice.
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Everybody hates it. But, but all the main parties,
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which I call the UNI party are for all of this nonsense, which
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is destructive to our, our nation.
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So I set the heritage party up in 2020.
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So we're, it's been going five years now and we're, you know,
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we, it's tough to breakthrough in the first past the post
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electoral system that we have. But I think we're very respected
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as a party that puts forward proper socially conservative
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principles and that are very sensible.
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And we've been consistent and coherent over five years.
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And we speak from principles, even when they're unpopular
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until they become popular and then we we talk about them more
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so. So that's the heritage party and
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then what we stand for. And we have a few counsellors at
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the town and parish level, which is great.
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That's what we can do. And we're just building as much
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as we can. So that's that's where we are.
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I was friends last night and I don't know, 15 people or
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whatever. And the, the host decided to
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play a, a video of some of the stuff that's been going on for
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the last five years, you know, from Agenda 2030 to sustainable
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development, to transhumanism and to mRNA nanotech, etcetera.
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And most of the people sitting there we're just normies and,
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and we're looking at this going, this doesn't, this doesn't work
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for me. And I was just wondering whether
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it is something like what you're doing.
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I don't mean to, to, to to throw water on the fire, but do you
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think it's just an, A continuous losing battle or or do you do
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you have a sense of optimism or hope that that that there will
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be some sort of critical mass at some point?
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Well, I'd say that the battle is tough and you know, you don't
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always win all of the battles. The war is tough.
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I would say, you know, you fight different battles every day and
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at different places, different things at different times.
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You don't always win every single battle.
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But we're in a war and we know that the the end of it, you
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know, if you have faith in God, you know that in the end Jesus
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wins. So you know, the end, the end is
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there. So we just got to, you know,
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walk in that, you know, and a lot of people understand that
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this is a spiritual battle as well as a political battle and a
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cultural battle and a social battle.
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So you know, when you know that I just, I just go and and I take
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part and I participate. And, you know, not all the
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characters in the Bible one not, you know, some of them came to a
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bad end like Jeremiah, but he still was faithful in into what
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he he had to do in the mission that he had.
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But but yeah, it is tough. And, you know, you mentioned
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sitting around in a party in a room with a lot of normies.
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And I suppose I don't mix so much with normies because, you
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know, I'm leading the heritage parties and the people I talk to
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and I'm in communication with the people that are sort of on
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the same wavelength as I am who understand what's going on to 1
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level or another. But yeah, when and I do, it's
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like, well, you know, what's going on here because for, for
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normies, they're just, they're interested in the football match
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or what's on telly or, you know, the latest pop record or the
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latest, you know what, what was on the mainstream media.
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And, but, but even some of them are now understanding that, you
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know, there's a lot of people who are dying and injured
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because of these injections. You know, it's been 4 years
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since they were rolled out in the UK, five years actually.
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And, you know, they, they jumped on this hook, line and sinker in
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2020 and now realises something isn't quite right.
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And now they're trying to roll out this digital ID as well,
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which is another thing. And because Kia Starmer is doing
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it and he's doing it in such a ham fisted way, such a
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tyrannical totalitarian messaging behind it.
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It's like you will have this. And if you don't have it, you
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won't be able to get a job. And if you don't have it, you
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won't be able to rent a house. And if you don't have it, you're
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going to get fined. A lot of people are just, you
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know, appalled by that and actually repelled and to
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realising that actually, well, that's this is bad.
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We need to stand against this because this is taking away our
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freedoms. So in some small ways, normies,
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I wouldn't say waking up, I don't use that that sort of
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phraseology anymore, but are beginning to understand that
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that things are not quite right. And I think, you know, maybe
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here in the, in the UK that there's a lot of different
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things happening and they, they really try to push the agenda
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here. And there's more of a backlash
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against it than I think the, the people who are globalists have
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envisaged. So there, there is a lot of
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reaction against what is happening.
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So I wouldn't say people are totally awake if you like, but
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some people are are understanding there's something
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wrong and they they need to do something about it.
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Would you go back to 2019? No, I don't think I would
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because 2019 wasn't a Goodyear, you know, I mean, but in the UK
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the whole period between 2016 and 2020 was the period between
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the referendum to leave the EU and actually coming out of the
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EU finally 4 1/2 years later. And it was a horrendous time.
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I mean, politics was was falling apart.
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There were, there was, you know, people were fighting each other
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about Brexit. Well, it wasn't a good time, you
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know, and I think because we had that issue in the UK uniquely,
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which you, you, you didn't have in South Africa, you didn't have
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in the EU or Australia. I, I think, you know, I, I, I
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don't look back at 2019 and think that was a good year.
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But I think, you know, the, the sort of thing in the question
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there is that, you know, the, the period since 2020 has been
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absolutely horrendous. Of course it has.
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But I've made so many new friends.
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I've, you know, I've learnt so much.
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I've become much more aware of, you know, the things that are
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going on in the world, you know, through the horrible things that
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have. Happened and I, I wouldn't want
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those things to happen again. But even though they have
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happened, I've learnt so much and I've done things, you know,
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I started the heritage party of course and I am where I am now.
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And if if that hadn't have happened.
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I would be a different person to some extent.
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I wouldn't know what I know now. I wouldn't have done what I've
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done. I wouldn't have had the
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experiences that I have. And you know, I'm sitting here
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and I'm happy in myself, in my soul, you know, and I, I have
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nothing to compare. It to if that hadn't have
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happened and and and we'd you know just just gone on and if
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today was just, you know nothing had changed since 2019 so.
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So the answer is no, I wouldn't go back to 2019.
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I would still live through everything that's happened now.
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But because you know, I'm, I've learned so much.
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Yeah, yeah, that's exactly my thinking.
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Also, I wouldn't go back to 2019 because I feel a lot more
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enlightened now. The problem, Dave, is that
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ignorance is bliss. And when you when you see stuff
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like we've seen over the last few years, you can't Unsee it.
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And it's not very blissful, no. There are things I know there
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are things that are, you know, happening that I really don't
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want to, you know, go down the rabbit holes to look at them
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because I, I, I don't want to find out what's there.
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You know, I mean, I, I know all about COVID, about digital ID,
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about the gender 20-30, about the World Economic Forum, about
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stakeholder capitalism, all of these kind of things.
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But you, you get people, you know, they talk about these
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dumbs deep underground military bases and what might be going on
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there. It's something that I'm aware
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of, but I don't really want to look, you know, where if there's
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something there or not, but it's this way deeper and way more
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horrific than even the things that I know now.
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So, you know, I, I take on board your point.
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I've learned some things about the things that I need to know
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about for now, but there's some other things that, well, you
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know, I, I would rather just, you know, not know about that
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if, if that's true, you know, of course, you know, with the, the
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Epstein files and the, you, you know, the, the paedophilia, the,
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the child trafficking and, you know, what do they, they call
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these things Frazzledrip and adrenochrome, all of this kind
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of stuff. I mean, just the thought of it
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is, is, is utterly horrific. So yeah, ignorance is bliss.
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I'm aware that there's horrible stuff going on there, but I
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don't really want to know about it.
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I don't need to know about it for what I'm doing.
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People who do know about it and are fighting it, you know, they
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are that can injure your soul so much if you if you hear about
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these things and you actually, you know, see what's going on.
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So in a way it's like, well, you know, maybe I should have the
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courage to go and look at those things and, and bring them to
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the surface and fight against those things.
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But, you know, we'll see. I, I, I, I can't say that I
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have, you know, I say that and I think, well, you know, it's not,
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it's not very good. It's, it's, it's not a very good
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show that I'm sitting here saying that I know these things
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exist, but I'm not doing anything about it.
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But I'm fighting so much in the political sphere in the UK, you
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know, So ignorance is bliss of those things.
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But but we need to deal with them eventually.
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I wrote a sub stack a few days ago in which I was talking about
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my my sort of first and second Damascus moments.
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Excuse me, those red pull moments.
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And I think my first was around 2009.
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Hang on, I swallowed something. Anyway, when was your first
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Damascus moment? I, you know, I was just minding
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my own business really as a teacher.
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And before I got into politics, I was a chemistry teacher.
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I taught a little bit in England and then I taught in schools
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around the world. I was just having a good time,
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you know. I mean, I'd always been
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interested in culture and politics and society and, and,
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you know, maybe at some point getting involved in politics,
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but the doors never seemed to open to me.
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But no, I had a friend actually who was a flatmate for a while
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and he just spoke to me about Alex Jones and what he was
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talking about. This was a long time ago.
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This was 15 years ago. And I started looking into it
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and I thought, Oh my goodness, you know, there, there's stuff
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going on there. This is very interesting.
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And maybe the way things are presented to us on the
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mainstream media is not quite how they are.
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And so, you know, I looked into this a lot.
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And then I started looking into cultural Marxism, which is one
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of the first things I, I, I looked into and, you know, it's
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gone, gone, you know, grown since then, I've just become
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more and more aware of things as I need to become aware of them.
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And so this is something that's a process I think of learning
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that started about 15 years ago through chatting to somebody who
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already knew about stuff and to just informed me of some new
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things. And I think, you know, having a,
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a background in science, you're curious, you know, and I don't
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discount anything. If someone tells me something,
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I'll investigate it. You know, a lot of things that
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people tell me are rubbish. But some things people tell me
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like, oh, that's interesting. I think I'll have a look at
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that. And then, you know, when it's
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then juxtaposed with the mainstream media aggressively
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trying to ridicule and silence and cancel anyone who has a
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different opinion, I think, whoa, that's interesting.
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Why are you not open to this? Why are you trying to cancel
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this person or that person or this idea and that idea?
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Surely we can talk about ideas without you ridiculing them on
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and just instigating a huge number of ad hominem attacks on
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the people who are bringing new ideas.
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And, and that made me even more curious about the, the things I
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was reading into and finding out about.
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So, and, and now, you know, it's not just me, you know, when I
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started speaking about cultural Marxism and doing, you know,
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lectures and speeches on it in 2017, I think I was a lone voice
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on it. But now there's like hundreds of
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people talking about it. And it's like, you know, this is
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something that people are really awake to now, you know, not just
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me, but, you know, five, 1020% of the population.
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So the, the number of people who are aware are growing.
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But I think for me, it started, you know, with a conversation
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with a flatmate, you know, 15 years ago.
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And I've just learned grown in my knowledge since then.
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When you talk about cultural Marxism, what are you talking
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about? Well, what I mean is Marxism
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translated into not from economic terms into cultural
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terms whereby certain groups are persuaded that they are victim
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groups. You know Marxism tries to
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inculcate class consciousness in the workers.
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So they will be dissatisfied with society and rise up and
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fight the bourgeoisie, take control of the capital and
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collectivise it among themselves.
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Well, that's been translated into cultural terms.
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So women are made to feel like they're victims of men.
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So women are oppressed, men are the oppressors, gays are
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oppressed, the homo heterosexual Christian society is oppressive.
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You know, black people are oppressed, white people are
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oppressors. And then you get these whole
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academic corpuses of, you know, literature and courses to do
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with critical race theory, critical gender theory that that
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say society is systematically and intrinsically racist,
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sexist, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, anti Semitic, all
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of these things. And all of these groups then
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need to come together to be, you know, to, to fight
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intersectional oppression and, and, and basically ruin
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everything. That's good, you know, so it's
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basically a, a cultural movement to make everybody hate white
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Christian society, if you like, you know, I, I say white in
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terms of culture, you know, and, and that's cultural Marxism and
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it, and it's very, very oppressive.
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And you see it manifest today in the attack on free speech, where
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anybody who says something that is not of the far left is called
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a name. And then they try to cancel you
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or, or even drag you through the courts and get you imprisoned.
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You know, So it's, it's very, very damaging and very, very
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dangerous. So basically it, it, it, it is
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a, you know, a collection of oppressive victim narratives
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based on cultural groups rather than economic groups.
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That's what cultural Marxism is. Why though?
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Why do you think there are people that attach themselves to
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that? Well, originally, of course,
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Marx lived in the 19th century. And then after he died, you had
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the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in 1917, the October
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Revolution, which was quick and violent and aggressive and
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oppressive, and the working class was in grinding poverty.
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So they could be very easily manipulated to think that
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they're oppressed. And if they rise up and, you
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know, they kill the Czar Nicholas and they take control
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of the power that they would then be living in a utopia.
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And of course, when it happened, they found out that they weren't
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in the utopia and they they just became just as oppressed as
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everybody else. It didn't work.
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These violent, aggressive revolutions that happened in the
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East didn't work in the West. They were tried, you know,
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communist tried revolutions in Germany and Austria and Hungary,
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Bavaria, you know, even even the UK, even England.
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It didn't take off at all in England, but there were
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revolutions that took power for a few weeks or a few months in
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Austria, Hungary, but they didn't work.
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They didn't hold because the working class was patriotic and
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they didn't like this, you know, these communist revolutionaries
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taking over control of their country and changing society in
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a way that they didn't want, you know, in imposing totalitarian
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control. So communism, violent communist
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revolutions, didn't happen in the West, the Western and
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Central Europe in the 1910s and 1920s.
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So then the people that wanted to inculcate global communism,
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global Marxism, changed strategy in the West.
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So they changed the focus of praxis from, as Gramsci says,
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from the economic substructure to the cultural superstructure.
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So then they just converted, you know, the idea of oppressive
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victim narratives, which worked economically in Russia, into
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cultural oppressive victim narratives in order to try to
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undermine all of the values of Western society.
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And over, you know, 100 years or so of the long March through the
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institutions, they've actually managed to capture, first
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universities and then media companies and then political
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parties and now even businesses to actually become Marxist, if
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you like, and to stop acting in a normal way.
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You know, when you get businesses who decide, well, the
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purpose of our existence is not to make a profit.
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The purpose of of our existence is to impose environmental,
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social and governance rules on the people who work for us and
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the people who are our customers.
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They've been infiltrated and captured by Marxist ideology.
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They're no longer working on terms of common sense.
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They they will, they will actually destroy themselves in
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the process. But they think that they're
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doing goods. They think that they are
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virtuous by imposing the DEI agenda, the diversity, equality
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and inclusion agenda, because that's nice and that that is
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fighting oppression when actually, you know, in the long
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run everyone is going to be poor and oppressed if they carry on
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down that road. So it's self defeating.
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But but this is what it is, and This is why some people do it.
25:43
I don't know if if I'm, if I'm, if I'm just imagining things,
25:47
but it does appear to me, Dave, that a lot of that stuff seems
25:51
to be very much less active now in the last year or so.
25:58
Have have you noticed that? Yes, and that's coming directly
26:03
from America, I think because you got President Trump in as
26:06
the as the president, you know, under four years of Biden, all
26:10
of the cultural Marxist stuff, you know, had a free platform
26:13
that was elevated the DEI agenda, the ESG agenda, you
26:17
know, all the wokery that was celebrated.
26:20
And if you didn't jump on board and and celebrate and affirm
26:23
that you you were cancelled yourself.
26:26
But I think in the United States, because it is the most
26:29
powerful country in the largest country by population in the
26:33
West, that really is having an effect.
26:36
You know, obviously culture, a lot of the culture that, you
26:39
know, disseminates around the world comes from the United
26:42
States. And now President Trump has been
26:44
basically abandoned transgenderism.
26:47
He's abandoned the the immigration, mass immigration.
26:50
He's actually fighting mass immigration.
26:53
He's trying to control America's borders.
26:55
He's against all of the net zero stuff which goes against it with
26:59
the ESG system for businesses, environmental, social and
27:03
governance modelling that comes from the World Economic Forum.
27:07
So that's really having an impact.
27:10
And I think in some countries in Europe as well, they're
27:13
abandoning that. They, they, there's less of it
27:15
happening in in the EU and EU countries.
27:19
And I think in the UK we're in a very bizarre situation because
27:24
we got an extremely Marxist, culturally Marxist government,
27:29
but there's a massive push back against it from the population
27:32
of the country that that doesn't want this anymore, that is
27:35
actually just completely sick of LGBT diversity weeks and Black
27:42
Lives Matter weeks and Extinction Rebellion weeks and
27:46
months and all of this stuff. And so yes, I'm very hopeful
27:51
because I think people have just, they're just fed up of it.
27:54
And you know, there was a, you know, in the last week or so,
28:01
there's been a lot of talk in the UK media about should there
28:05
be so much advertising on television which portrays
28:10
Britain as essentially being a migrant country?
28:13
You know, 80 Sorry, there are what is 16% of the UK's
28:19
population is non white, black and Asian.
28:23
You know, whether wherever, you know, Middle Eastern Indian, but
28:29
but they sort of take up about 80% of all of the people on
28:33
television advertising because they're trying to portray
28:36
Britain as being a country that's mostly populated by black
28:43
and Asian people. And also saying that they always
28:46
have been. They're actually, people are
28:48
rewriting history and history books to suggest that the
28:51
Vikings were black, you know, the Saxons were black.
28:56
And everyone is just, this is nonsense.
28:58
So, yeah. So I think people are just they,
29:03
they, they hate it and they just, it's come to the point
29:06
where it's just so ridiculous. People are just like I'm I'm
29:10
done with this, you know, I'm completely done with it.
29:14
You know what was an absolute pleasure?
29:16
I was in China a few weeks ago and sure, lots and lots of
29:21
things to criticise, but lots of things also to learn from.
29:26
And I'll tell you what, I didn't see any LGBTQ in any of the 9
29:33
cities that I went to. No green head lesbians, no, no
29:39
anything to do with that sort of cultural Marxist nonsense that
29:43
you were referring to. It was such a pleasure.
29:48
Fantastic. Yeah, I know.
29:50
You know, when when in some areas, China and Russia are
29:56
morally superior to the West? You know, they, they look at the
29:59
West in horror and then what the hell?
30:01
What the hell are you doing to your boys and girls that you're
30:05
mutilating them? And when I think that China and
30:09
Russia mutilate their children, how on earth has that happened
30:13
in the West? So, you know, there's a lot to
30:15
criticise about China in certain aspects, but that I totally
30:19
agree with you. They, they're not going to have
30:21
anything to do with it. And you see pictures that, you
30:24
know, I, I taught before I was, you know, in politics and I
30:27
taught at international schools. And the Chinese children are
30:31
absolutely brilliant at maths and science and logic.
30:35
You know, they're, they're just a world streets ahead of anyone
30:39
in the West. You know, they, they, they, they
30:41
know at 14 what children in England are studying at 18.
30:47
You know, it's amazing. So they, they really are focused
30:51
on excellence in education, whereas a lot of people in, you
30:56
know, schools in the UK are focused on diversity, which is,
31:01
you know, in China just laughs and the stupidity of what's
31:05
going on, you know, and I, they're quite righty.
31:09
If you just leave people alone, they will be diverse.
31:12
Yeah, You absolutely agree with you.
31:15
You know, and this, this is if you just left people to be on,
31:19
you know, do what they want to do, I think more people will be
31:21
more well adjusted than if you're trying to force people to
31:25
go in this direction. But but yeah, but the diversity
31:29
that they're trying to impose is a fake diversity because it's
31:33
like everyone has to affirm LGBT, everyone has to affirm
31:37
feminist ideology, everyone has to affirm, you know, Black Lives
31:42
Matter ideology. There is no room for anyone to
31:48
divert or to be diverse and and say anything out of this very,
31:53
very narrow, thin Overton window which is constructed of identity
31:59
politics with true diversity. Is that you, you have different
32:03
people with different skills and different interests and
32:06
different talents. So some people will be
32:07
interested in maths and some in music, some in sports, some in
32:11
woodwork, some in, you know, making clothes, some in, you
32:15
know, caring for people, some in being a nurse.
32:18
You know, it's a diversity of skills and talents and
32:21
interests, not a diversity of what you do with your bits,
32:25
which seems to be what they're doing in the UK.
32:29
In actual fact, they've ruined the word diversity because you
32:33
and I are diverse by virtue of the fact that we are two
32:35
different people. You can have, you can have a
32:38
room of 20, I don't know, 20 Chinese people that's already
32:43
diverse because each one of those 20 is different.
32:47
So you'd have loads of different people or they all look
32:50
different, but they all think the same and that they, that's
32:53
the, that's what the the cultural Marxist idea of
32:56
diversity is, which is not diversity, yet it's exactly what
32:59
you say, different people with different interests.
33:03
And also they argue diversity is our strength or whatever, and
33:07
that's not necessarily true. Yeah, the, the fake diversity is
33:12
not a strength. They they say that's a political
33:14
slogan because you have politicians in the UK and other
33:17
places who are trying to deliberately make the, the
33:21
country what they call hyper diverse.
33:24
So they actually want to reduce the white population to below
33:29
50% so that they will be a minority.
33:32
But this is not being imposed on any other countries outside the
33:37
West. No one is saying to China, oh,
33:40
you should have a minority of Chinese people.
33:42
No one's saying to Nigeria or you should have a minority of
33:45
black people. You should take in migrants from
33:48
India and and Saudi Arabia to to make yourselves more diverse.
33:53
It's only European, North American countries in Australia.
33:57
It's only happening in there. That's the canogy plan plan.
34:00
You've heard of that, hey? Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
34:04
I mean, I don't know if it's a plan or an assumption, but it's
34:07
certainly. A gender or but I mean, look,
34:10
another way of looking at it is replacement theory.
34:13
But it's just a conspiracy theory, Dave, so we can't talk
34:15
about. It even though it's on the UN
34:18
website and they replacement migration.
34:20
Yeah, Conspiracy theory by the UN, published in the year 2000s.
34:27
But why do you think that might be the case then?
34:32
For some people they're just looking at in terms of bean
34:36
counting, they think well in terms of supporting pensioners
34:39
keeping the pension scheme going, they say well there's not
34:42
enough. The birth rate is declining in
34:45
the West so we need to bring lots of migrants in.
34:48
So there's enough young people to support pensioners in their
34:51
old age. Well, that's what they say
34:53
anyway. Well, I don't think anyone
34:54
actually cares about, you know, pensioners white is when they're
34:58
supporting replace and migration.
35:00
But I think I think a lot of it is there.
35:02
There are people, globalists and so on, who deliberately want to
35:07
destroy the West for some reason, you know?
35:12
They hate the Western society. I think part of it is because
35:18
the West has been very, very successful, full of really good
35:21
people, and there's been a. Powerhouse of.
35:25
You know, innovation and goodness is also, you know,
35:27
historically being the centre of Christianity.
35:31
And I think that the people who want to bring in a secular world
35:35
order or a Talmudic world order want to destroy Christianity and
35:39
they need to destroy the West, the Western countries to do that
35:44
and to completely change them. So that they will not be nations
35:47
anymore. As I I see there's a difference
35:49
between a nation and a state, because a nation.
35:53
Has the connection to his past and his future through, you
35:58
know, your children of your forefathers and your descendants
36:01
will inhabit your land restate could be anything.
36:04
It doesn't matter who's there. It's just, you know, random
36:07
atomized people who are paying taxes and consuming products.
36:11
And so the globalists want to turn our nations into states
36:16
with atomized individuals who've got no connection to the past or
36:19
the future or anybody else apart from global corporations which
36:23
they interact with on their smartphones.
36:27
That's what they want to do. You very sneakily dropped in the
36:33
word Talmudic. How dangerous do you think
36:36
Zionism Zionism is to sort of Western Christian culture?
36:45
I I think it's very, very dangerous.
36:47
And since the 1930s people have invented this word Judeo
36:51
Christian, yes, you know what, that it doesn't mean anything.
36:54
There's a polemic. No, no, there before the 1930s,
36:58
no one ever used that term. And it was invented mainly in,
37:02
in promoted in the United States as a polemic against Hitler.
37:06
It was to get Christians and Jews together with a common
37:09
enemy. I, I think they were actually
37:11
wrong on that. But now, you know, even Jewish
37:15
people say, well, there's no Judeo Christian is not correct.
37:19
There's Judaism, which is in many ways the exact opposite of
37:22
Christianity, because the the Talmud is It says horrible,
37:28
blasphemous, disgusting things about Jesus.
37:31
It says Mary is a whore. It says Jesus was a sorcerer.
37:34
It doesn't accept that Jesus was the Messiah and they're looking
37:39
for. It also says sorry.
37:41
It also says that Jesus is boiling in human excrement.
37:46
Exactly. That's what it says about Jesus.
37:48
Now, you know, Whereas the Bible, the New Testament
37:52
obviously is the fulfilment of the Old Testament.
37:55
Jesus is king, Jesus is glorified, He died and he rose
37:58
again to save us from our sins. And now he's ascended and he's
38:02
sitting in heaven at the right hand of the Father.
38:05
So the Talmud is the exact opposite of the Bible.
38:08
And so Judaism is the exact opposite of Christianity.
38:12
And there's been so much propaganda and, and brainwashing
38:16
of, of a lot of Christians to believe, oh, you know, Judaism
38:20
and Christianity, they're, they're very, very similar.
38:23
We believe the same things, we're just slightly different on
38:25
these points. But no, it's the exact opposite.
38:28
And so there is no such thing as Judeo Christian Christianity in
38:32
the Talmud is is horrendous and it's horrible.
38:36
And in the Talmud, you also, you have the Noahide laws come out
38:41
of that, which are actually written into law in the United
38:44
States, which sound a little bit like the 10 commandments, but
38:50
they're seen through the prism of the Talmud in which all
38:54
Christians are idolatrous because we worship Jesus as God.
38:58
And therefore the penalty for that is decapitation.
39:02
People don't realise that the Talmud wants to decapitate
39:08
Christians, that that's part of the Noahide laws.
39:11
And maybe I sound very strong in saying that.
39:14
And people might go, what what you saying?
39:16
Go and have a look, look it up for yourself and you'll find out
39:19
that it's true. The biggest issue with Zionism
39:25
is not Jews, it's it's evangelical Christians.
39:31
I think it's both, but there are so many more evangelical.
39:34
Christians, that's what I'm. Saying.
39:36
Like, imagine, yeah, I mean, imagine if there was no such
39:40
thing as an evangelical Christian.
39:43
Well, The thing is, I would say I'm an evangelical Christian and
39:46
I would say that Zionism is a perversion of Christianity.
39:50
I mean, I'm evangelical in the sense that I, you know, I've, I
39:54
think the five solars are the basis of faith.
39:57
No, sorry. Let me just, yeah, sorry, I'm
39:59
just jumping in here, but let me just clarify.
40:00
When I refer to evangelical Christian, I mean to I mean that
40:04
sort of Zionist Christian that that believes in Judeo
40:08
Christianity and they all, you know, they'll have those Israeli
40:11
flags up, you know, in the church in while in America.
40:14
You're right. You're right.
40:16
And you know, if I could just sort of explain that, that is
40:19
it. So I mean, I, I went to a church
40:21
when I was younger that was evangelical and they had Israeli
40:24
flags behind the band and I never even questioned it.
40:27
I just thought, oh, well, this is, this is what they do because
40:30
we're Christians, we support the Jews and we support Israel.
40:33
And it was just assumed, you know, and, and, and it's only
40:36
what recently I've started questioning it more.
40:39
And I really started questioning this when someone I know who was
40:44
on a lot of the freedom marches was arrested and imprisoned at
40:51
the request of a Jewish NGO. Because she'd written some
40:55
tweets about this. The you you probably maybe
40:58
remember Grenfell Tower, this big tower in London that burned
41:01
down. It was like the towering inferno
41:03
in 2017. Her, you know, it was all over.
41:06
People were watching this around the world.
41:08
And she said that that was a Jewish, the Jews made this
41:11
happen. It was a Jewish sacrifice.
41:13
She'd written some tweets about that in 2017.
41:16
Everyone has sort of forgotten them.
41:18
But then some Jewish NGOs went trawling through all of her, you
41:22
know, past tweets and responses and said she's anti Semitic.
41:26
She was stirring up hatred. They asked the police to arrest
41:29
her. They did arrest her.
41:30
They charged her. They brought her through the
41:32
courts and she was sentenced to 11 months in prison.
41:35
So when some Jewish NGOs activists got someone I know put
41:40
in prison just for some tweets, I just thought, what on earth is
41:44
this? These people are not what I've
41:47
been brought up to believe. They are through the evangelical
41:50
churches that I went to. And you know, I still consider
41:53
myself evangelical in the sense that the five solas that come
41:58
from Luther and Calvin and other people are a good description of
42:02
the Christian faith. You know, sola scriptura, sola
42:04
gratia solafeda solas, Christos solas de the sola deo Gloria.
42:09
You know, those are the five solas.
42:11
If you if you know what they are, it sounds it, it.
42:15
Well, it's Latin. So yeah, that's it.
42:19
It does. It does because the Catholics
42:21
use Latin a lot. They have the Latin.
42:25
It does. I guess back in the 15th
42:27
century, you know, everyone would have spoken Latin and
42:30
written in Latin and anything that was a theological work
42:33
would have been written in Latin.
42:35
You know, and that that's changed since the Reformation
42:39
because then people have started to use German and English a lot
42:42
more and, you know, and then Bible is now translated to like
42:46
every language in the world. But yeah, before it was, it was
42:49
either Latin or Greek and that was it.
42:53
But yeah, with evangelical Christianity from the 19th
42:57
centuries, it started with in the 16th century, but in the
43:01
19th century you had John Nelson Darby, who started to construct
43:06
this whole fake theology of dispensationalism, you know, end
43:11
times theology. And then the Schofield Study
43:14
Bible came later in 1999 and built on that and then put some
43:19
heresies in the notes of his study Bible.
43:23
And still today I hear pastors and preachers making, you know,
43:29
sermons based on the notes that Schofield wrote, which are
43:33
heretical rather than on the text of the Bible itself.
43:37
And so when they they mistranslate the Bible to say
43:40
this is a common one, those who bless Israel will be blessed.
43:43
Those who curse Israel will be cursed.
43:45
It doesn't say that in the Bible at all.
43:47
It doesn't it, that's a complete, you know, heresy and
43:51
the perversion of Scripture. It doesn't it doesn't even say
43:54
that it's about, you know, Genesis 12 three.
43:56
It's about Abraham. Those who bless Abraham will be
43:59
blessed and his seed, which is Jesus, not the 1948 Rothstadt
44:05
child state of Israel. That is faith Israel.
44:08
They've appropriated the name. They don't deserve the name.
44:10
Yeah, you're echoing exactly my experience.
44:16
And it seems like it seems like an uphill battle because the
44:21
response I get is, well, read your Bible.
44:24
Yes, that's what I've just done. Yes.
44:26
They. Need.
44:28
To read the Bible, yes. And also, Israel today is not
44:34
the same as Israel in biblical times.
44:37
Indeed, and you know, in the Bible, in the New Testament,
44:41
Galatians mentions the Israel of God, which is the church, you
44:46
know, so we're, we're all even says that he, he is a true Jew
44:49
who is 1 inwardly, not who is 1 outwardly who's been
44:53
circumcised, but someone who's been circumcised in their heart,
44:56
IE who's given their life to Jesus and follows Jesus.
45:00
So that's what the New Testament says.
45:02
And the dispensationalists and Christian Zionists studiously
45:05
ignore the dozens of verses in the New Testament.
45:09
They say there is no longer a Greek nor Jew.
45:11
We are all one in Christ. That's in almost every epistle.
45:15
They ignore all of that stuff and just go back and misquote
45:19
some things in the Old Testament through the Schofield Bible
45:22
study notes. So you know, exactly, you're
45:25
exactly right. The Israel, the state of Israel
45:29
today, I mean, it should be called Nova Khazaria rather than
45:33
Israel. I think, you know, it's, it's
45:35
nothing to do with the the Old Testament because if you're a
45:39
Christian, you actually got to understand that the Old
45:42
Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament.
45:45
Everything in the Old Testament looks forward to Jesus being the
45:48
Messiah and Jesus setting up the spiritual Kingdom of Israel and
45:52
is growing the church. Yes, the church is grafted into
45:56
the work that God did through the Israelites in the Old
46:00
Testament. And Jesus is born of the tribe
46:02
of Judah and he is the seed, the, the, you know, the one
46:06
person coming from Abraham that is now the blessing to the to
46:10
all nations. So if you, but if you try to
46:13
just be an Old Testament only Christian, well, that's
46:17
basically your, you know, that's becoming a Judeo Christian and
46:21
then ignore the New Testament, you're going to get into a whole
46:24
lot of trouble in how you interpret your faith because you
46:28
got to take both together. And you have to realise that all
46:31
the Old Testament is about Jesus.
46:33
It's not about the Rothschild state, which is committing A
46:37
genocide at the moment. Yeah, you've just very
46:41
eloquently and subtly corrected me when I when I said
46:46
evangelical Christians, I should have probably said Christian
46:49
Zionists. Yeah, I mean, The thing is the
46:54
Christian Zionism is only, you know, seen in the evangelical
46:59
churches. And so, you know, I, I do
47:02
understand people say this, but I, to me, it's, it's painful
47:05
because it gets, you know, people who are true
47:08
evangelicals. Not all evangelicals have taken
47:12
on board Derby's dispensationalism and, and
47:15
Christian Zionism. And in fact, in the, in the
47:17
younger, in the younger generations, a lot of people are
47:20
moving away from that and rejecting it because they can
47:23
see, well, this, this 1948 state is not anything to do with God.
47:30
We need to worship Jesus, not be idolatrous and worship the
47:34
Jewish people or the, the, the state of Israel.
47:37
In fact, the, the, the best way to love Jews is to tell them
47:42
that they need to repent of their sins and follow Jesus.
47:45
It's for everybody. That's what our response to Jews
47:49
should be. You should treat them like
47:51
everybody else in every other country around the world.
47:53
The Christian message of Jesus is for everybody in Greek and
47:57
Jew, Chinese, Anglo Saxon, Russian, Arab, everybody.
48:02
They're not a special people that are going to be ruling the
48:06
world. You know that that's not, that's
48:08
not of the Bible. So, so yes, because in, in going
48:12
back to your just original point there, Roman Catholics don't
48:16
have that problem at all. Roman Catholics do not elevate
48:20
the nation of Israel or the ethnic Jewish people.
48:23
Neither do the Orthodox churches.
48:27
They, they don't, they, they, they don't even mention it's
48:29
not, it's not even an issue for them.
48:31
It's only in the evangelical churches that have been
48:34
corrupted by Darby and Schofield and other people that come after
48:38
them. And it, it needs to be seen as a
48:41
heresy and rejected and thrown out so that we can actually get
48:45
back to, you know, you know, properly, you know, you know,
48:51
being a Christian, you know, in terms of biblical orthodoxy.
48:55
But I mean, at the at the risk of, you know, people listening
48:59
to us talking, going, I listen to these two guys just talking
49:01
about Christian Janet in the Bible.
49:02
I mean, who cares? It actually does matter, because
49:06
Netanyahu himself has publicly stated that this is a biblical
49:12
matter. Absolutely.
49:14
And yeah. And, and again, he's perverting
49:16
Scripture and he's only looking at certain things in the Old
49:20
Testament and not viewing them through the New Testament in the
49:23
work of Jesus. And of course, because if
49:25
they're you're a Talmudist, you reject Jesus completely.
49:28
And you know what he says is that the the Palestinians are
49:32
Amalek. They should be totally wiped
49:34
out. They should be glassed out of
49:37
existence. That's, you know, that that's
49:40
what happened in, in the Old Testament when the Israelites
49:43
went into the promised land. You know, they, they wiped out
49:46
seven, seven nations living there.
49:48
And then he's saying, well, that happened then this is what we
49:52
need to do today. And that's absolutely,
49:54
absolutely abhorrent. That's of course not what you do
49:58
today. They're human beings and, and a
50:00
lot of Palestinians are Christians.
50:02
There are more Christian Palestinians than Christian, you
50:07
know, Israeli Jews. There are some great, thank God
50:11
there are 30,000 Messianic Jews, but there are 300,000
50:15
Palestinian Christians mostly living in the West Bank because
50:18
those living in Gaza have just been forced to flee and the
50:21
churches that are left have been bombed by the Israeli Defence
50:25
Force over the last two years. So, you know, it's just beyond
50:30
my understanding. I just find it very hard to
50:33
understand how evangelical Christians in the United States
50:38
that do believe this Israel, you know, they are idolised.
50:43
The nation of Israel cannot see that actually they're harming
50:48
and bombing and killing Christians.
50:50
Why are they not supporting their fellow brothers and
50:53
sisters in Christ who live in Palestine?
50:56
I, I just don't understand it. It's either a blind spot or, you
51:01
know, willful. It's hatred, it's propaganda,
51:04
it's indoctrination. Yes.
51:06
Also the thing that I have found to be quite ironic is how many
51:11
people play with this term anti Semitic without realising that a
51:16
semite includes Arabs. Indeed, the the majority of
51:22
Semites are Arabs. Yeah, exactly.
51:24
I mean, The thing is. This term.
51:26
So I'm not anti Semitic, I've got nothing against Arabs.
51:31
Not at all. And you know, there's a lot of
51:34
evidence to suggest to the Ashkenazim the settlers are
51:37
actually not Semitic at all. They're Kazarians.
51:40
They're descendants of Kazarians from Eastern Europe, Ukraine.
51:43
Yeah. Eastern Europe.
51:44
And originally southern Russia was now southern Russia and
51:48
eastern Ukraine. Yeah, but that's why they don't
51:51
do, they're not, they're not allowed to do DNA tests
51:53
apparently in Israel because they don't want anyone to
51:55
actually find this out, which is very, very ironic.
52:01
Yeah. You know, so I get called anti
52:05
Semitic. I say, well, I'm not I'm, I'm,
52:07
I'm for I, I'm, I'm for an end to genocide.
52:13
It's very interesting though, the whole stand or or support
52:17
Israel stand with us thing and you know, I think we're going to
52:23
be having this discussion still 1015 years from now.
52:28
Yeah. I mean, it's been going on all
52:30
my lifetime and you know, this happened, this started before I
52:34
was born. And you would love to see a
52:37
solution to the only solution that there is, is that both
52:41
sides become Christian and then they, they forgive each other in
52:45
Christ. That's the only solution to, to
52:47
all of these things where there's different ethnic groups
52:51
in the same area that are in conflict with each other.
52:56
That's the only solution. Otherwise one side is going to
52:59
wipe the other out. You, you know, the, the, the
53:02
Palestinians get accused of singing from the river to the
53:05
sea. Palestine will be free.
53:07
That's supposedly anti Semitic hate song.
53:11
But then the first people to use that were were the Zionist
53:15
settlers who said this is our land from the river to the sea
53:18
and we're going to settle here. They were the first people to
53:21
come up with the phrase and the Palestinians have just taken it
53:24
on. So, you know, you've got two
53:27
peoples here who both want the whole land.
53:31
It was originally the Palestinians land.
53:33
They welcomed Jewish settlers in in 1946.
53:38
And then they turned around and started killing them and pushing
53:42
them out into, you know, these very, very small areas from
53:46
which they're not allowed to leave.
53:47
So, you know, the whole thing is, is horrendous for anyone who
53:51
lives there. There is a solution.
53:55
It's Jesus. Will they take it up?
53:58
I hope so. I pray so, but we shall see.
54:00
Dave, politics is generally about populism, and the kind of
54:06
stuff that you talk about is not popular.
54:09
No, I mean, I, I, I act out of principle.
54:12
And that, that's one of the things I wanted to do when I
54:14
started the Heritage Party in 2020, is to have principles and
54:18
to stick to them. And even if they weren't
54:20
popular, they were one of the first things I came up with a
54:24
against a lot of resistance to as being pro life and also being
54:28
pro traditional marriage. I said, you know, in our
54:30
manifesto as well as many other things, you know, we would
54:33
abolish the abortion act, we'd abolish the same sex Marriage
54:36
Act. And a lot of people said, well,
54:38
we like everything else. We don't like this thing.
54:40
We don't like that thing. And unless you drop them, I'm
54:43
not going to join you. I'm not going to support you.
54:45
And I'm like, well, well, this is what we need.
54:48
You know, we can't be a socially conservative party with
54:51
Christian principles to try to restore our nation in the way
54:54
that it needs to be restored if we drop all of our principles.
54:59
And, you know, as the years have gone on, there's been one thing,
55:03
another thing, another thing that has come up that I, I've
55:06
said, well, this is our position or this is my position based on
55:10
principle. And then every time a few people
55:12
have left and said, we're not going to support you, it it's
55:15
very sad that, you know, you think that people would think
55:19
that if you agree with 95% or even 99% of what we stand for,
55:24
you'd support us. But quite often it's the other
55:27
way around. People say, there's that one
55:29
thing I don't like and I'm not going to support you because of
55:32
that one thing, but I'm not going to drop these things
55:35
because we need, we need them. And, you know, if I'm going to
55:39
drop them and if I'm going to compromise, I might as well not
55:42
bother. You know, there's no point in
55:45
bothering. Yeah, I might as well go and
55:46
join the the fake Conservative Party and, you know, just just
55:50
take the money rather than stand up for what's principled.
55:54
Yeah. So what drives you then as
55:56
principal? I mean, I asked you at the
55:57
beginning of the conversation, do you wake up with purpose?
56:00
And obviously you do then. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
56:03
We, you know, that's why I, I, I love it.
56:07
I love, you know, the fact that now I'm leaving a party, I'm in
56:11
the political sphere. We've got lots of candidates.
56:14
We've got lots of people who do support us who wanted to restore
56:18
our nation in the same way and fight the the insanity of what
56:22
we've we've had over the last 60 years or so.
56:25
But but yeah, that that does give me purpose.
56:28
And you have to, you know, you've got to stand on
56:32
principle. Otherwise, you know, I just
56:35
don't understand people who just are populist.
56:38
If you like, you know, Nigel Farage is a good example of a
56:41
populist. He will say what's popular, what
56:44
he thinks will get him the most votes.
56:46
And so, you know, I like him as a person.
56:48
I can have a nice drink and a good time with him down the pub,
56:51
but he'll say one thing one week because he thinks he's popular.
56:55
And then he realised public opinions changed.
56:57
They will say the exact opposite thing, whether it's on
57:00
immigration, on welfare, on, you know, other things he's talking
57:04
about on net zero. And I think you've got to,
57:08
you've got to be consistent. If you're not consistent and and
57:12
you don't stand on principles, you're like someone who stands
57:15
on the sand and eventually you're just going to fall in.
57:19
OK, so as we come in for the final lap, if you were to give
57:22
me a nugget of wisdom, Dave, what would that be?
57:26
Goodness me that that's a that's a question to put me on the
57:30
spot. A nugget of wisdom is just be
57:35
true to yourself. I, I think don't worry about
57:40
what anyone thinks about you or says about you because they're
57:45
going to say anyway, whatever, whatever you do, whatever you
57:49
say, whatever you think, there will always be people that, that
57:53
disagree with you or don't like you.
57:55
You, you cannot keep everybody happy.
57:58
And so if you're not true to yourself, if you're trying to
58:02
live a life where you're, you're doing it to, to keep other
58:05
people happy because you, you want to try to keep everyone
58:08
happy because you're worried about their opinions, you're
58:10
never going to win. You're never going to be able to
58:13
keep everybody happy. You've got to, you've got to be
58:15
true to yourself. Search out what the truth is and
58:20
be be faithful to that and and find your mission.
58:25
Find your purpose and go for it. How can our audience follow you?
58:32
My party, heritage party is the website isheritageparty.org.
58:37
And if you're in the UK, the, the, the thing that will help me
58:40
the most in the UK is if you become a member of the heritage
58:45
party, which you can do at heritageparty.org.
58:48
And all of our manifesto and our principles and policies are on
58:51
there on social media. I'm on a lot of platforms at
58:56
David Curtin on X the same thing David Curtin one, I think on
59:02
YouTube. I'm also on Facebook, I'm on
59:04
Gab, I'm on Telegram, so you can follow me on all of those
59:07
platforms. I've even started putting things
59:09
on TikTok now. There's not much there at the
59:12
moment, but I I will put some more on for the young people on
59:16
TikTok as well as things go on. So all of those platforms,
59:19
Twitter, Facebook, sorry X, Facebook, Gab, Telegram, TikTok,
59:24
YouTube, Rumble, follow me there.
59:26
So funny, you said for the young people.
59:28
I remember. I remember the days when we
59:32
wouldn't have said that for the young people.
59:36
I'm in my 50s. It is now.
59:39
I'm going to be a pensioner soon.
59:40
It's crazy. Hopefully don't look like it,
59:44
but it's, yeah, it is so bizarre where you know it.
59:47
It only seems like a few years ago I could say I was young.
59:51
And now, my gosh, the time is just flowing by.
59:54
You've got nothing to worry about, David.
59:56
You don't look a day over 62, so you're good.
59:59
Thank you very much. I take that as a compliment.
1:00:03
David Curtin, thank you for joining me the Drangers.