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Family Realizes A Killer Is Living In Their Vents · The conspiracy

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Come on outside, you have us guy, what's theme on
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  Speaker 1: you here?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So I is Thomas staying out here?
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  Speaker 1: This is the father and son who owned this ranch
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  Speaker 1: house in the New Mexico desert, miles from anywhere. Police
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  Speaker 1: believe a murderer is hiding inside their home. Thomas Lopez,
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  Speaker 1: a man who days earlier beat his girlfriend to death.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, do you know where he might be staying at
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  Speaker 4: or anything?
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  Speaker 1: But what makes this interesting is that the son is
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  Speaker 1: in fact hiding this man, and the father is about
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  Speaker 1: to find out that his son is protecting a murderer
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  Speaker 1: inside the vents of his own home.
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  Speaker 2: They said, he might mean the bank.
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  Speaker 3: Thomas, talk to me now, I know you're down there.
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  Speaker 2: We don't came over here for a simplestead.
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  Speaker 1: On the twenty fourth of February, police were called to
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  Speaker 1: a hospital in New Mexico to investigate something horrifying. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: six year old Sabrina Caldern had just been brought in unconscious,
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  Speaker 1: covered in bruises, barely clinging onto life.
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  Speaker 2: So her name is Sabrina Caldron.
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  Speaker 4: Caldron is in such like dehybration that her kidneys are failing.
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  Speaker 2: She's too sick for you in hesitator?
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  Speaker 5: Who brought her in?
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  Speaker 2: I believe who's her dad?
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  Speaker 6: What is that?
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  Speaker 1: Would you say? Is that something from being hit?
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  Speaker 2: She's twenty six years old. She should not be in
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  Speaker 2: this condition, right.
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  Speaker 1: Sabrina is in such critical condition that the nurses are
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  Speaker 1: almost certain she won't survive. But what made the hospital
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  Speaker 1: so suspicious is that Sabrina's injuries were that of someone
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  Speaker 1: who had been viciously beaten, and the man who dropped
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  Speaker 1: her off left almost as quickly as he possibly could.
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  Speaker 1: The hospital called in police, but with no leads, the
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  Speaker 1: decided to use her emergency contact info and call up
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  Speaker 1: her dad to see if he could shed any light
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  Speaker 1: on what just happened.
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  Speaker 3: Can you hear me now, miss Caldron, could you tell
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  Speaker 3: me what happened real quick?
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  Speaker 7: Why she has these injuries?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 8: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Thomas Lopez, he got it from here, I get
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  Speaker 3: at nine point.
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  Speaker 1: He kept it over there and wars over there.
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  Speaker 3: It's a ranch house. He had her locked up in
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  Speaker 3: the room, and he would just been there.
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  Speaker 2: He's been there every day.
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  Speaker 1: That was almost disturbingly simple. Apparently a man had taken
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  Speaker 1: her at knife point from her dad's home and was
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  Speaker 1: beating her every day at a house out on a
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  Speaker 1: ranch somewhere in New Mexico. The cops find it extremely
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  Speaker 1: strange that he never contacted police, so there is some
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  Speaker 1: amount of suspicion to cast on him. Regardless, they ask
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  Speaker 1: him for some details about the guy that he claims
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  Speaker 1: did this to her, knowing that if this lead hits
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  Speaker 1: a dead end, they know who to suspect next.
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  Speaker 9: Where does he live at?
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  Speaker 6: He would just faith how did you get her?
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  Speaker 3: He ended up picking at the hospital and I think
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  Speaker 3: that for that end.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what he looks like?
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  Speaker 10: I sure don't say his name one more time? Thomas Lopez,
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  Speaker 10: Thomas Lopez.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, police now have a name, Thomas Lopez. The victim's
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  Speaker 1: father claims that Lopez was the one who both attacked
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  Speaker 1: and dropped Sabrina off at the hospital, which would explain
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  Speaker 1: why he was in such a big rush to leave.
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  Speaker 11: Where do you think he resides?
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  Speaker 3: Mostly can't Carl's battle umptalis.
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  Speaker 7: I mean he say very good I gave.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like Thomas is going to be extremely difficult
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  Speaker 1: to track down. The cops don't have a description of him.
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  Speaker 1: He has a common name and constantly jumps from place
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  Speaker 1: to place without a known address. If this guy had
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  Speaker 1: gone on the run, it could be weeks before they
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  Speaker 1: managed to find him. But that's when everything changed. Sabrina
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  Speaker 1: briefly woke up and found the strength to confirm that
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  Speaker 1: it was indeed Thomas that had done all this to her,
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  Speaker 1: and she managed to give police the address of the
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  Speaker 1: ranch her father mentioned all before taking her final breath
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  Speaker 1: and dying moments later. Sabrina had just solved her own murder. Immediately,
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  Speaker 1: the cops head to the address heavily armed, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: they might come face to face with an aggressive killer. However,
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  Speaker 1: there is one problem. Police haven't had time to get
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  Speaker 1: a search warrant, meaning that they have no right to
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  Speaker 1: enter the home without permission. That means they're stuck outside
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  Speaker 1: knowing that just feet away a brutal murderer could be hiding.
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  Speaker 12: In. Is that you.
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  Speaker 3: Ian? Come to the front door for me.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, it's the sheriff's office.
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  Speaker 10: Let me see your hands.
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  Speaker 11: Come outside, Let me see your hands.
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  Speaker 10: Let me see your hands.
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  Speaker 11: Is a dog?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, right, so I got contact.
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  Speaker 6: I don't have nothing.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, sit up right here, man, Okay, yes you're shy.
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  Speaker 1: This is Ian part owner of this ranch and good
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  Speaker 1: friend of Thomas Lopez. Sabrina had told cops about him
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  Speaker 1: and said that he could be vital to tracking Thomas down.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, the cops have no idea how much
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  Speaker 1: Ian knows, but they do know that his house is
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  Speaker 1: supposedly where Sabrina was attacked. For all they know, he
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  Speaker 1: could have been involved as well, so they have to
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  Speaker 1: be extremely cautious when dealing with him and clearing out
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  Speaker 1: the house.
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  Speaker 10: Who's all here, man, my father, my friends, Buggy?
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  Speaker 2: What's Buzzy's real name? I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: Come on outside here, keep your head.
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  Speaker 4: What's going wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Or has he been out here? I've been out here?
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  Speaker 10: If you can, is there anybody else inside? You said Buggsy?
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  Speaker 10: If I can go, you with the door?
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  Speaker 2: Can you call her outside?
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  Speaker 11: Okay, we'll just call it from the door.
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  Speaker 10: Police.
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  Speaker 1: Bugsy is another one of Ian's friends that happened to
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  Speaker 1: be staying at the property around this time. She couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have anything to do with the crime, but cops are
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  Speaker 1: still pleased to hear that there might be another witness
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  Speaker 1: and someone that could help them track their suspect down.
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  Speaker 10: So what we're doing, we're there everybody to come out
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  Speaker 10: of the house.
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  Speaker 2: There were puts them to do a search war on
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  Speaker 2: behalf of them.
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  Speaker 10: Supposedly there was an incident a couple of nights ago
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  Speaker 10: or somebody got beat up out of here, and so
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  Speaker 10: now we're secure in the house to do a search
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  Speaker 10: warm for evid.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, See how Parry keeps looking over to Ian. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like he knows something is wrong, because this isn't
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  Speaker 1: the first time that Ian's brought criminals over to this house,
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  Speaker 1: something police would later bring up with that said. Parry
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  Speaker 1: obviously doesn't want to give his own son up to
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  Speaker 1: the police, so he decides to stay quiet.
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  Speaker 3: We're good.
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  Speaker 4: We're out here with Ian and her dad and nobody
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  Speaker 4: else in the trailer, sooth just chilling out here, Temple.
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  Speaker 1: Notice how Ian doesn't say a word. That's because he
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  Speaker 1: just hours earlier helped Thomas crawl into the vents inside
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  Speaker 1: his house to hide him from the cops. However, his
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  Speaker 1: father has absolutely no idea.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're good, we're good for the next few minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I hear, thank you. Well, we don't have it right now,
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  Speaker 2: we're getting it, like I said, we just got here. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 2: then we don't have to him anything you say, you
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  Speaker 2: don't actually have a warrant hold on? Come here?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, would you mind if I walked inside with you,
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  Speaker 10: just so we can make sure there's nobody else inside?
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  Speaker 7: Sure?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I will go with you. Like I said, I'm
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  Speaker 10: not looking for anything except for just make sure there's
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  Speaker 10: nobody inside.
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  Speaker 1: There's still not one hundred percent sure that the house
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  Speaker 1: is empty. Ian mentioned someone called Bugsy, but wasn't sure
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  Speaker 1: if they were still around or not, so the officer
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  Speaker 1: prepares to head inside and clear the scene with the end.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You might go for it, man, and make it easier
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  Speaker 2: for both of us.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, m hm.
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  Speaker 10: And you don't have anybody staying with you currently, No,
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  Speaker 10: I just want to make sure you know you're not somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Waiting behind me, you know.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, didn't mind if I walk make sure there's nobody
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  Speaker 10: on the side.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate it, man, Yeah, absolutely, bro Okay, thank you?
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  Speaker 10: Do you mind if I walk in here?
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm not worried, I'm not looking for anything.
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  Speaker 6: Just make sure nobody's in here.
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  Speaker 10: Sure it happens, man, do you Wand if I take
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  Speaker 10: a look inside it.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate it to.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you?
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  Speaker 2: My cross feasting right on.
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  Speaker 10: Do you have just friends stay from time to time
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  Speaker 10: or you Hey, okay, come back here, you under the covers,
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  Speaker 10: Let me see your hands.
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  Speaker 2: What's up? There's somebody under the blanket. There, you under
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  Speaker 2: the covers.
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  Speaker 10: Let me see your hands, Let me see your hands.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, mind coming with us, ma'am you're looking okay, No,
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  Speaker 11: she's fine. We're not looking for her, but we do, ma'am,
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  Speaker 11: need to ask that you come outside with us.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly Bugsy isn't the person they are looking for, but
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  Speaker 1: she would turn out to be extremely useful to the
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  Speaker 1: case down the line. She's been staying at the house recently,
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  Speaker 1: so the cops keep her around, thinking she might have
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  Speaker 1: seen something Ian didn't. The officer then clears the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the house and finds it to be totally empty.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, the officer outside catches Perry up on
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  Speaker 1: everything that's been going on at the house lately and
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  Speaker 1: what they plan to do in the search.
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  Speaker 2: So you'll return with this. I'm scared.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Thomas has gotten himself into some pretty heavy
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  Speaker 4: at this point, so.
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but what I've seen, I don't care if
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  Speaker 3: they Okay, keep this between me and.
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  Speaker 5: I'm here trying to make ship right, and I apologize
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  Speaker 5: for my you know what what happens?
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that's yeah, obviously not that we're looking for.
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  Speaker 10: So mister Whiteling. So they're finding where they are right now.
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  Speaker 10: But what it's sounding like is, uh, the investigators I
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  Speaker 10: wanted to do the entire property covered in the search warrant.
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  Speaker 10: So what does that mean? Well, meaning the car is
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  Speaker 10: going to have to stay here. They and they're okay
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  Speaker 10: in there for now, but the end they are asking.
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  Speaker 5: The entire property goat want to go.
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  Speaker 2: Through the barns?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, sir, that's what it's sounding We we.
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  Speaker 2: Could probably go do that right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the wheelhouse is locked up and the bar's unlocked, okad,
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  Speaker 3: I could take y'all.
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  Speaker 2: On a tour if you wanted to do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna wait for them to get the paperwork done,
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  Speaker 4: just so that I don't think I'll be honest with
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Thomas is hiding in the shop or
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  Speaker 4: something like that, But on the off chance that he is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want him to have the the ability to
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  Speaker 4: talk to the lawyer and say, well, they illegally search
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  Speaker 4: the barn even if we have permission. At this point,
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  Speaker 4: we're just gonna kind of stand by and do it
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  Speaker 4: to buy the books.
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  Speaker 2: So the paperwork, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, Officer Rice was wrong thinking that Thomas
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  Speaker 1: wasn't hiding on the property. Had he gone looking for
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  Speaker 1: him on his own, things could have ended much, much
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  Speaker 1: worse for him. However, the day is coming to an
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  Speaker 1: end and it's time for the officers to go over
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  Speaker 1: everything they figured out so far. However, they can't risk
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  Speaker 1: Ian or Perry overhearing any of this. See if you
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  Speaker 1: can figure out why that might be, and we'll reveal
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  Speaker 1: it after this clip.
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  Speaker 12: She's been living here, probably, she asked me. I'll have
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  Speaker 12: a master expect I would ask her if she has
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  Speaker 12: been living here, she might have witnessed this. Sorry, I
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  Speaker 12: don't need to be on edge your foot, you go, yeah,
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  Speaker 12: especially after Yeah, but I guess the way to looking
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  Speaker 12: she died that the situation, I see. I guess there
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  Speaker 12: was some internal injuries.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So it wasn't like you tracked her down.
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  Speaker 12: It it's the way it Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The officers are clearly trying as hard as they can
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  Speaker 1: to conceal the exact details of the case from me
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  Speaker 1: and and Parry. That's because detectives plan to interview them later,
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  Speaker 1: so the less information that gets put into their heads
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  Speaker 1: the better. This is usually for two main reasons. If
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  Speaker 1: they're guilty of something, this stops them from changing their
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  Speaker 1: answers to hide evidence based on what they know, or
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  Speaker 1: if they're just a witness, it stops them from giving
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  Speaker 1: answers based on what they heard from the cops rather
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  Speaker 1: than what they actually saw, protecting their credibility in court.
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  Speaker 1: It should be made clear that this isn't the first
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  Speaker 1: time that cops have been dispatched to Ian's house, and
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  Speaker 1: in fact, multiple criminals had been arrested here before, though
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  Speaker 1: never Ian himself. He just seems to hang around with
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  Speaker 1: the wrong people.
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  Speaker 3: Let me hill here, Okay, Hey, listen, they're expanding the
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  Speaker 3: shirt through the whole property.
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  Speaker 2: He cannot take the car, okay, So okay.
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  Speaker 4: So the thing is that it is you guys physically,
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  Speaker 4: yourselves are not being entertained.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, you know the other than I?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, today, any other issues going on?
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's that's good. I guess.
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  Speaker 4: Fortunately, no got a nice place. You gotta be more
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  Speaker 4: so likely about who comes out. Yes, Honestly, I just
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  Speaker 4: when I live down in the county. If I had
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  Speaker 4: friends over and they brought somebody I didn't know, I
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  Speaker 4: would stray zone back.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 4: I'm cool with all y'all, but him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know him, he said. And if I don't
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  Speaker 3: know him, he doesn't need.
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  Speaker 2: To be here.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't noticed. The longer this goes on for,
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  Speaker 1: the more uncomfortable Ian seems to get, and as that continues,
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  Speaker 1: the cops start to get more suspicious too. After having
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  Speaker 1: multiple criminals caught and arrested on his property, you'd think
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  Speaker 1: he'd start to be more careful about who comes over.
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  Speaker 1: That's what made the cops suspicious here. If he's been
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  Speaker 1: hanging around so many criminals, he might feel obligated to
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  Speaker 1: cover up for them. That's the main thing on the
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  Speaker 1: officer's mind when he decides to bring Ian too the
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  Speaker 1: interview room, but they actually decide to wait before questioning him.
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  Speaker 1: They have a fairly large number of witnesses for the case,
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  Speaker 1: so they want to get as much information from the
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  Speaker 1: others first before talking to the riskiest of the group. Ideally,
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  Speaker 1: they'll get information that could help catch Ian in a
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  Speaker 1: lie and force him into telling the truth. So they
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  Speaker 1: start by questioning his father, Harry, the owner of the property.
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  Speaker 9: Too many people coming and going, I'm getting sick of it.
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  Speaker 9: So you were in your room. They have been there
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  Speaker 9: a couple of days. You heard her getting slap. You
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  Speaker 9: knew she was getting slapped by the way she was sounding,
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  Speaker 9: you peecked out. Ian was telling, hey, y'all need to
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  Speaker 9: call him quit or whatever. He said the girl outside,
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  Speaker 9: this Elizabeth chick out and some other guy gave the
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  Speaker 9: girl that was being slapped after you said, y'all't even
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  Speaker 9: helping me.
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  Speaker 2: But that apparently was two different. See, I thought the
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  Speaker 2: girl that would beat up was not this girl. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I'll stay back in my room. But you
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  Speaker 2: saw a woman getting beat.
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  Speaker 6: But I didn't think it was her.
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  Speaker 2: She was already in cage.
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  Speaker 9: Is the top.
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  Speaker 2: She's just barely gotten crawls back probably Friday.
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  Speaker 1: It seems that Perry absolutely heard Thomas attacking at least
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  Speaker 1: one woman, but wasn't able to confirm who it was.
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  Speaker 1: He backs up Ian's propensity to let anyone and everyone
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  Speaker 1: over to the house and tells the cops that it
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  Speaker 1: was bound to end up badly eventually. If Perry can
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  Speaker 1: identify the girl that he saw Thomas hitting. Though, it
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  Speaker 1: could be a massive help for the cops, as it
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  Speaker 1: would mean all the evidence lines up and they can
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  Speaker 1: begin their search for him immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Suppose we just got the name. You got the faces
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  Speaker 2: mixed up because you don't see I'm sure, but you
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  Speaker 2: knew it was what I thought?
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  Speaker 11: This too?
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  Speaker 9: There there is Thomas did beat up another girl. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: he has warrants out for his arrest now too. That's
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  Speaker 9: why he's running. Is she beat up every moment he
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  Speaker 9: comes in contact with.
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  Speaker 2: See, I'll tell he's talling about another moment. I knew this.
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  Speaker 2: I knew of this chick. The picture showed me. I
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  Speaker 2: knew her going to the er. But the chick that
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  Speaker 2: I heard through the walls saying y'all gotta help me.
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  Speaker 6: Was not her.
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  Speaker 1: Perry is saying that he had heard Thomas beating a
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  Speaker 1: girl up, but that it was a completely different girl
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  Speaker 1: for the one that they were looking for. So now
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  Speaker 1: there was even more reason to catch him as soon
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  Speaker 1: as possible, as it seems like this wasn't an isolated
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  Speaker 1: incident at all.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe I'm confused because Okay, once she went to the er,
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  Speaker 9: she never went back to the house.
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  Speaker 6: Right, Okay, I'm thinking of another chick. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: But we'll figure it out. I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 6: This whole thing against just confusion for me.
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  Speaker 2: I needed to be more involved, I know, with who
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: comes and goes. But you know, he thinks he's growing.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: It's man, now he's gonna happen.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: I couldn't split down about who stays at the house.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Kind of simple. Well, we need to get this.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Grah Perry unfortunately didn't have much else to add. So
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: now they turn their attention to Bugsy, their surprise witness,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: who might just have the answers they're looking for.
• 17:29
  Speaker 9: Okay, because you might might have seen or heard something
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: that happened out there at he in South a couple
• 17:34
  Speaker 9: of days ago.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Honestly, I just got there today to do some wandos,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: so I.
• 17:38
  Speaker 14: Have Well Ian says you were out there a couple
• 17:39
  Speaker 14: of days ago, whenever this incident happened. Okay, do you
• 17:44
  Speaker 14: know Thomas, the guy that's always out there with Ian
• 17:48
  Speaker 14: and all the guys.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: I've seen him a few times out there.
• 17:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: I mean even if I was, if I was there,
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: I didn't I mean.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen none of that. Did you hear any
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: of it?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: I didn't.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: At first glance, it seems like Bugsy might not be
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: as much help as they anticipated, but things can change
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: quite quickly when a witness is told just how serious
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the situation is. That's why the officer decides to let
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: her in on what happened to Sabrina and see if
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that job's her memory at all.
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: The reason we're here just because there's a girl that
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: was with Thomas today. She started having complications from what
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: Thomas and Sabrina had an altercational.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, she is now deceased.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for the cops, this didn't change the fact that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Bugsy hadn't seen anything at the house. However, she was
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: able to give them one piece of information that could
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: end up proving infinitely more useful than what they were
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: hoping for. Initially, she gave them the address of another
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: house Thomas was known to stay at. Inside that house
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: is actually another one of Thomas's victims, and the police
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are about to discover that he's actually a serial domestic abuser.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: This is crucial to build a strong case against Thomas.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Than yourself.
• 19:02
  Speaker 13: We're looking for Thomas.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: He's not here.
• 19:05
  Speaker 12: My friend.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: That's her boy man.
• 19:06
  Speaker 13: Okay, because is Monique not here either? She okay, do
• 19:13
  Speaker 13: you know where Thomas is? Just really need to talk
• 19:17
  Speaker 13: to him.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: He's supposed to be here. We changed the lots. Oh yeah, yes,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: we changed the lot. Okay?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Was she battered a while back?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Is that? What that? Do you mind?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: If we just make sure he's not in the house.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: That's friend, But nobody else is in this house? Thing
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that she scos changed?
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: The boss took her phone.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: When you're staying here? What are you talking about? But
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: she still loves her. She has had contact with him
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: that you would know of. She pretty much want nothing
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: to do with him.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: How long ago was it was there incident that happened.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: But she to come change her arm off because she's
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: scared of you.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It turns out this is the home of the other
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: girl that Thomas had reportedly been beating, which, if anything,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: is worrying the cops even more since we know he's
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: not limiting his violence to one girl, it would make
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: sense if he's hiding out here waiting for this girl
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to come back home. The homeowner, however, is telling the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: cops that he's not here and she's not seen him
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: for days.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Is she working? She went with her daughter?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Does he have any friends here that we know that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: he hangs out with? Family of him?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Because she's my friend? Don't have nobody?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Do you think he still has her phone?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: The officers continued to search every room in the house,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: as well as the app, but weren't able to find
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: him anywhere. According to everyone they talked to, Thomas had
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: gone off the grid and was nowhere to be seen.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But there was still one person they hadn't talked to,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the one person that they knew was acting strange from
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the very beginning, Ian Whalen. If anyone was going to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: know where he was, it was going to be Ian.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: So later that night they brought him into the interrogation
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: room for hopefully the last interview that they need in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: this case.
• 21:28
  Speaker 14: Their their cameras are down, so I'm using this thing, Okay, okay,
• 21:32
  Speaker 14: I'll spend to you while.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You're you're talking there. Any kind of trouble, okay, not
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: any trouble. Do you have any idea why you might
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: be down here? Well?
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Yes, about one, because of the fight or whatever.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I guess that Thomas had right, you know, anything else
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: about it?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Remember, Ian hasn't been told any details of what actually happened.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yet he doesn't know that Thomas killed Sabrina or even
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that there was a physical exchange. But that's all about
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to change in just a few moments.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about traumas. Lofas was the last time you
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: see him?
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: It's been about like a day or show.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There or so what about his girlfriend Sabrina got a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: day or show?
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: What happened between Sabrina and Thomas?
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: I just like heard an altercation? I like see anything.
• 22:23
  Speaker 15: Has heard them screaming at each other enough to where
• 22:27
  Speaker 15: it alarmed me?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Were they inside your house or they did that when
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: they were screaming? Okay? Was there any anything physical going on?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Or was just screaming? Did you see anything physical? Do
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you hear anything physical? Do you hear young stop or
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: him stop or anything?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: No?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: So, whenever you heard screaming and stuff, where were they at?
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Like I guess it would be like down towards the
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: kitchen area.
• 22:48
  Speaker 15: I heard them yelling when not and I went out
• 22:51
  Speaker 15: there and I was like, hey, man, you're all okay,
• 22:54
  Speaker 15: You're just like yeah, man, fine, you know?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And what did she say? That's it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It's clear Ian was around when the fight happened, but
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it seems like he didn't realize how bad things had
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: actually gotten. Apparently Sabrina was actually crying when he went
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to talk to them, but he just figured it wasn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: his business and went back to sleep in his room.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Do you know what the fight was about?
• 23:16
  Speaker 15: I don't, And honestly, I've got so much stuff on
• 23:19
  Speaker 15: my own crad.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Like, Okay, when's last time you heard from Sabrina.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know Sabrina, Like, I'm not making this up,
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: but you know she.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Was that's Thomas's girlfriend or whoever.
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: I don't even know that, Like, I just know that
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: that there was an altercation between I don't even know
• 23:36
  Speaker 15: if the Sabrina is, if this.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Is who like messed up teeth.
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: I'm just assuming that who was so that day that
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: whenever we went out there was a defension.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: As the officer mentioned earlier, Ian has a habit of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: letting people that he barely know is stay at his house.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: But it turns out this is a recipe for disaster.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Since people know he likely won't get involved in their business,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: they see this property as an area out in the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: middle of No Aware where they can do whatever they want.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: With no eyes on them at all. Initially this only
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: resulted in smaller crimes robbery or drug possession, but this
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: time it turned into something much more serious, and Ian
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is now about to find out exactly what happened.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Do you know why he no about your past time?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: We don't. We don't come over here for simple stuff.
• 24:22
  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember you told me that,
• 24:26
  Speaker 15: So what's up?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Instead?
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: You're seeing me what happened? Do you know?
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, from what she told us before she died, was
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that she was getting her ass beat by Thomas over
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that your house in the barn with the club.
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: And so whenever you heard him arguing when he said
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: he was getting pretty rough, or what did you see him.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Do by just slapping her slapping? Well, I'm just trying
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: to figure out what happened. And first of all, I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: tell you I know so we can.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from the very beginning, cops figured he knew a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: little more than he was letting on. Now he knows
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened, how serious it was, and what the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: consequences will be if he doesn't give up everything he knows.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Not only will he be implicated on the crime, but
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: if Thomas is on the property and he ends up
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: harming an officer, that will be his faults. The question
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is is that enough for him to turn in his friend?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: When's the last time you seen Thomas?
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: What you do?
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: Is he at your house? Where does he hide in
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: your house? Whenever the cops are trying to get him?
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: Where would he go? High inside, we're over there, Okay,
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: the house secure, We're going to search more for it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: Where would he be hiding if he's in your house,
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: where would he be at? You don't want that problem.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: At your house?
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: No, Like I didn't know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Have you seen Have you seen Thomas today, tim of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the Truthment?
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: I mean where was he at when you see him?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Now? Okay, was he there when the cops got there?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You just want to go him?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Can you take it?
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Yes, sir?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And he did.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: This is Ian's ultimatum. Ian had been put in a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: scary position. He knew what the right thing to do was,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but he was also terrified of this footage getting out
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: amongst the people he hung around. He didn't want to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: be seen as someone untrustworthy, so we asked for the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: camera to be turned off and told the detectives the truth.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Ian admitted that Thomas was at his house. In fact,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: he was hiding in the vents. Apparently that's where he
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was the whole time. Now the cops knew exactly where
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: he was, but getting to him would be no easy
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: task to arrest him. They'd have to try everything they
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: could to make contact with him or else get into
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the cramped vents with a known killer, right, Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Mean he knows where area. I assume he knows we're
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: going to come back. I guess I don't know that.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: In the interview they said he might mean the event.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they're playing that he might. So event
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the only one large enough for an adult that I
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: know of.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: He's going to go in.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: There's a hallway that was all the way back as
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: being a blanket for the hallway.
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: As we go in, it's still clear all the little
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: areas that we go past.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get fixated and have him out. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: That vent downside is you'll have two rooms to clear
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: in the hallway before the event, So the last door
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: is literally next to the event.
• 27:29
  Speaker 16: We'll figure out if anybody's see something weird.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Several cops made it to the scene a few minutes
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: earlier and have managed to locate the vents. They think
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: he's hiding inside of this.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Come outside, he's not let him know.
• 27:52
  Speaker 16: If he doesn't, Oh man, I know you're down there.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: It's not the win. It's just huge goes down. There's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: no access back there. Ian, because he had the school,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: he puts the bed back up so he can use that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: The officers are right. The vent cover couldn't have been
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: put in place from the inside, so Ian had to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: have helped him hide. But they'll figure out what to
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: do about that later. For now, they need to figure
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: out a way to get Thomas out of the vents.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: To start with, locate his exact position, and they came
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: up with a creative solution to do this.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: He's right there, how far approximately. I'm just trying to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: see if there's a mirror.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I got a good point that tape. I gotta kick
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a crush.
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: You take a phone and flashlight, stick down and they
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: just so we get some pretty good art and let
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: them up, just confirm.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: It sounds far fetched, but after pointing a phone and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a torch deep into the vents, they were able to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: confirm precisely where Thomas was.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: It looks little. You can see the back of his
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: neck the jacket.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: The problem was, he still wasn't responding, and they certainly
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: didn't want to get in the vents with him, so
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: while another group of officers checked the outside to ensure
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: he couldn't escape, the cops tried desperately to reach out
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to him, but quickly they started to get concerned about
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: something else entirely.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Thomas, if you can hear me, man, answer, I know
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: you're down there, we saw you.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: In the pictures. Answer me.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Just let me know you're okay. Now, are you okay
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: down there?
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: He would shuffle a little bit.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard it looks like he moves since like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: no noise, nothing.
• 30:19
  Speaker 16: Go int.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: The battle bowns that office Stadic doesn't have to say.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Thomas had been down there for hours now, possibly even days.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: The cops know he's there, but they haven't seen his
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: face or any movement whatsoever. They're fearing the worst, but
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: they still can't risk going down there with him. That's
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: when one of the officers gets a genius idea.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: You're gonna want to push him back this way because
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: he's gonna have to come out this way.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: So if you introduce gash, you want to introduce.
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: Him on that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's free.
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: I would introduce it down there, and you don't do
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: the same thing with him, but you may make him uncomfortable.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: That's gonna make you talk. Looks like he's fixing us.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: His head's up here for sure, Yes, he went, yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: because you don't want them to cross those I would
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: introduce it over there to put them this way.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: They're planning to shoot pepper spray into both ends of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the events, forcing him out. If he was to stay inside,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: he'd end up choking and writhing in the pain the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: gas caused. But it turns out this plan was so
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: smart and terrifying to Thomas that they wouldn't even have
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to put this into action.
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: Hey, come on out, man, dude, come on out, come
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: out and we'll talk.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I'm a little scared scared about come on out.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I've been before, I understand, but nobody's gonna hurt you.
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: I just need you to come out slow.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yep, we'll hit some day. Good. N that's the natic assess.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The concept of being stuck in the vents with the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: pepper spray was just too much to Thomas, and with
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: some convincing they were able to get him out. The
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: ideas and tactics used in this extraction were far from textbook,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: but they were incredibly smart. Now they just had one
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: more job to do, interrogate Thomas and finally figure out
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the truth of what happened to Sabrina.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Move all this over here. Okay, you speaking English or Spanish? Well, okay,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you want to preferably English.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Though, preferably English, and we'll stick with the English. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: have the wret to remain silent. Anything you say, ken,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and we'll be used against you in a court of law. Well,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: what we are here for is what happened with Sabrina
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: the other night. That's what all this is about.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: There is an enormous amount of evidence against Thomas. Remember,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: everyone involved in the case has pointed the finger towards him,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: including the murder victim herself. But that doesn't mean he's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: not going to try and defend himself, notably without the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: presence of a lawyer. The story he chooses to go with, though,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: isn't the most convincing.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, we we talked to Sabrina. Okay, she told us
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: what happened to her. I need you to be honest
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: with me and tell me the truth. Were young guys
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: fight that night?
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: Just arguing?
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: Man, that's all it wasn't did she how many times
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: did she hit you?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want okay, how many times did you hit her?
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: I didn't you understand? He just bumping each other.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Like did you shove her down the steps?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: As it's not the.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Kid's mom, but young guys have a kid together. I don't,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: so tell me what happened in that bar.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: That's what she feel And he starts moving back there
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: arguing because I don't want we want to be arguing
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: in the house.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I want to get.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: Know where he lives.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Apparently they went out to the barn because they didn't
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: want to argue in the house, and Sabrina slipped and
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: fell down some steps, causing all of her injuries.
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: You guys are arguing, okay, and it did get physical,
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: but you don't want to tell me what happened, right?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me? It got physical, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you don't want to.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Tell me what happened, just kind of they just got
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: each other's face.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: But was that the same two the hospital?
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: I mean it it was ongoing for that couple days.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: So you guys were just like basically arguing for.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Two days pretty much.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: What was the pushing and shoving?
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: I want the same pushing and show just kind of.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when was that?
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: Then that night where she fucking fel.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You guys do this chest chest focus.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: And we're we don't arguing in the house because I
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: don't want to get thrown out of there.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas is also claiming that he didn't hit her or
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  Speaker 1: even push her around. The worst they did was get
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: into each other's faces and bumped each other's chests. As
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware, that's not exactly consistent with Sabrina's
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  Speaker 1: injuries or what she told the police. But Thomas's story
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  Speaker 1: gets even more unbelievable as he continues, So.
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  Speaker 2: Then you guys go out to the bar.
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  Speaker 6: What happens next to We're just sitting there, just smoking
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  Speaker 6: a cigarette and stuff. We're up there.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys go up and you're like upstairs on
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  Speaker 2: the bars, that's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you start up there, and then she started coming
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  Speaker 7: back down and she losing her footing and there she
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  Speaker 7: goes down to down steps. So where was so when
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  Speaker 7: was the girl walking into the house and she said, well,
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  Speaker 7: if I can't get bear it I'm wonder I need
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  Speaker 7: to take in the emergency room.
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  Speaker 2: So when was when was the chest bumping or all that?
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  Speaker 2: Wh Where was that at?
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of beginning. We got in there, they got
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  Speaker 6: in there.
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  Speaker 2: Then that's when how she falls down the stairs.
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  Speaker 6: She lost her footing.
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  Speaker 7: You guys, like you look at the stairs and there
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  Speaker 7: inside that place, it's there's a big ass gap between
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  Speaker 7: each it's not to.
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  Speaker 6: Shout to bring good. It's like some ship something just
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  Speaker 6: put together.
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  Speaker 2: And we're talking from the top all the way to
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  Speaker 2: the bottom.
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  Speaker 7: Was half way a sort of the bottom she lost
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  Speaker 7: for Philly or kind of dunk that's in the bomber.
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  Speaker 1: So not only did Thomas not have anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with her injuries, but when she got hurt, they'd already
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  Speaker 1: made up. He believes that this story has explained away
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  Speaker 1: why Ian will have heard shouting in the house, why
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  Speaker 1: they went out to the barn, and why Sabrina got
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  Speaker 1: such horrific injuries. This is why it's so important that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: detectives keep as much of the evidence as possible secret.
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  Speaker 1: He's constructed a story that technically covers up all the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that he thinks exists, and while it's not comprehensive.
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  Speaker 1: It would definitely make proving his guilt in a courtroom
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  Speaker 1: slightly harder, but it doesn't explain a huge number of
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  Speaker 1: other things, like how the injuries were sustained by a
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  Speaker 1: golf club or the drugs. Sabrina said he injected her
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  Speaker 1: with both, things he doesn't know the cops know about,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, he was never able to explain these
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  Speaker 1: other things. There was simply too much evidence for Thomas
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  Speaker 1: to deal with, and he chose to plead guilty At
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: his trial. Nurses from the hospital told the jury that
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  Speaker 1: Thomas had initially told them she'd fallen down the stairs too,
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  Speaker 1: but Sabrina immediately refuted this claim. When she woke up,
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  Speaker 1: she said he'd hit her multiple times with his bare fists,
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  Speaker 1: struck her multiple times full force with a golf club,
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  Speaker 1: and had her tied up to a chair in the
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  Speaker 1: barn for a large amount of time while this all happened.
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  Speaker 1: Even worse, she said this had been going on for
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  Speaker 1: around a month, and for the entire time she felt
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  Speaker 1: as though she had been held captive. Obviously, there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: much Thomas could do against this defense, and he was
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  Speaker 1: convicted of murder, kidnapping, and resisting an officer. He was
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