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EP 38 - THIS IS OTTIE · Relatables

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Coming up on relatables.
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  Speaker 2: For me, I would prefer to be on the other
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  Speaker 2: side than to be unhappy, fair.
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  Speaker 3: And to and like that came for some reason with
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  Speaker 3: your personality that came easy. Like to you, that's a
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  Speaker 3: very very logical decision making process, but to some people
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  Speaker 3: it's not. A light of his podcast is so said
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  Speaker 3: by myself, Jake Craig aka Daddy and my apartner on
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  Speaker 3: Crime is to Oddie Clark aka Mummy and Boo ODDI is.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Mummy because.
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  Speaker 3: Through years of joining the podcast, we have come to
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  Speaker 3: the conclusion that if you are to go to someone
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  Speaker 3: and talk about maybe something's going on in your life,
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  Speaker 3: it's more than likely going to be Oddie.
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  Speaker 2: I felt that was so formal. And Jake is your
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  Speaker 2: father because sometimes he's just there at the right times
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: and sometimes he doesn't pick up his phone.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, it's pretty description of myself. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I would say so too. It just came to me
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: But Jake, we actually have a very very special and
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  Speaker 2: different episode today, don't we.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we do. I've wanted to do this. I reckon
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  Speaker 1: for like wow over a year, two years, two years?
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  Speaker 2: You reckon, But I never really knew how to execute it,
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  Speaker 2: and then also like, I didn't know if it's what
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: the baddies wanted you listeners being the baddies of course,
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: of course. And then a couple of things have been
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes in the podcast and my frontal
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  Speaker 2: lobe has been developing. I was like, you know what
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  Speaker 2: Jake I said to my voice message yesterday. I was like,
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: I've got a fucking idea. And the idea is, So
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: we've been doing the podcast now for four years and
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: on out end it's sometimes really really hard to distinguish
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  Speaker 2: who was actually actually listening, and there's so much assumed
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: knowledge that you know who Jake and I are, but
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  Speaker 2: the reality of that is probably a lot of you
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: don't have a Scooby doo who Jake and I are
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  Speaker 2: and why we are the way we are. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to do a two part series of getting
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  Speaker 2: to know Jake and myself. So this is gonna be
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  Speaker 2: by episode of who is Oddie Clark YEP? And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, actually I thought of this idea too, because
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: everyone knows or maybe you don't know. I love listening
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  Speaker 2: to Dak Shepherd Armchair Expert YEP. The podcast and he
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: interviews a lot of famous people who are American.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he does.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to make this sound wrong if
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  Speaker 2: you're an American, but I feel like Americans love talking
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: about like themselves and their culture, like where they.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's a common personality thing in.
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  Speaker 2: America where they grew up and everyone, like if they
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: say college, everyone's like fucking go with the Seahawks or
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  Speaker 2: some shit.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually a good point. There's a lot of patriotism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but as Australians, if you or anyone asked me
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  Speaker 2: about like my childhood or what school I went to,
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  Speaker 2: I would just try and get past that as quickly
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  Speaker 2: as possible, because I'm like, no one about Australia.
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true, no one.
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  Speaker 2: No, not that no one cares, not that no one cares.
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  Speaker 2: More that like no one will know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I think that we always think that. Yeah, so this
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  Speaker 1: episode is stuff with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but basically this episode is going to be like
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  Speaker 2: all about the nitty gritty of what makes up me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we really want to learn about So obviously
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: we're going to do an episode each and we just thought,
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  Speaker 3: I if this is something we would want to learn
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  Speaker 3: about a podcast we listen to, then maybe it's something
• 3:33
  Speaker 3: that all the baddies we want to learn about us
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: and if like, and another thing we think about is
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: how some of the baddies being you guys listening, you
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  Speaker 3: guys have been some we have been here for a year,
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: two years, three years, maybe four years. Yeah, and then
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: something like so the people that have been here for
• 3:50
  Speaker 3: four years are going to know more than the people
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  Speaker 3: that have been here for one year exactly if you
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  Speaker 3: just got here. Then it's always nice to kind of
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  Speaker 3: like know about a person and feel them feel like
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  Speaker 3: you know them on a more personal and parasocial level.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: The whole thing about a podcast is feeling like you're
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  Speaker 2: in a conversation with us two of your mates. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and like if some of my favorite podcasts like gave
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: more depth to who they are, I'll be like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I want to know, like what makes up Dax Shepherd
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  Speaker 2: or who had James from Ships and Gigs?
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  Speaker 1: Like what were they like when they were twelve?
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  Speaker 2: Same they mentioned things they do? Yeah, like we mentioned
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  Speaker 2: things too, but then we always think like no one cares.
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  Speaker 2: So this is basically getting all.
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  Speaker 1: Of that out of the way.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, we did, like, why not just go
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  Speaker 3: like you remember remember back in the day and YouTube
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  Speaker 3: when there's this massive trend of YouTuber.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be like draw my life. Yes, oh I draw.
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  Speaker 3: They get a whiteboard and they draw it and race it,
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  Speaker 3: and they draw seeing any race it and draw seeing
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  Speaker 3: any race it.
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  Speaker 1: I used to watch those. I used to love those.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that too. I love that too. Side Men
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  Speaker 1: still like brought it back occasionally here and there. Really yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: on the second channel, we should have done a draw
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  Speaker 1: in my life. That would have been cool. We can't draw,
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  Speaker 1: but no, that drawing would be fun. Just stick figures
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  Speaker 1: and ship anyway, So this is Oddy's episode, so we're
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: going to try and chill.
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  Speaker 3: I'll ask gotty questions that I think people listening would
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  Speaker 3: want to ask because I may learn some stuff.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: You never know, you might actually, yeah, maybe I will.
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  Speaker 3: But I think I'll shut up and I would love
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  Speaker 3: to let Ottie take the reins a bit and give us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we want everything. I want it from the moment.
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  Speaker 1: You know why am I kind of a bit nervous.
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  Speaker 1: I never like talk about it. I never even in life,
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  Speaker 1: I never talk about myself this much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, talking about yourself is a bit weird because you're like,
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: just who gives a fuck?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I want to know. I want to know about
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  Speaker 1: the moment from when you first breathed there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So I was born from there, no, right,
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  Speaker 2: So I am.
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  Speaker 1: Turning twenty six this year. I was born twenty second
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  Speaker 1: of August two thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was originally born at Windsor Hospital in the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: You were originally born there and then unoriginally born where
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  Speaker 1: I was originally A good point.
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  Speaker 2: I was born full stop, and we moved on like
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  Speaker 2: my brothers. So I have a brother who is four
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: years older than me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and your brother was born there as well as you.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: Let me say that again.
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  Speaker 2: My brother's three years older than me, and they lived
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  Speaker 2: in the Blue Mountains and they saved a lot of
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: money to move to the central coasts of New South Wales, Australia,
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  Speaker 2: to a place called McMaster's Beach. And I moved when
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  Speaker 2: I was a couple months old, and I have lived
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  Speaker 2: at McMaster's Beach ever since then until recently.
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: So the house that you're in now, I know that
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  Speaker 3: your dad built, right. Yeah, when you moved from Windsor Or,
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  Speaker 3: the Blue Mountains When you moved from the Blue Mountains
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  Speaker 3: to McMaster's Beach, was it literally to the actual property
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  Speaker 3: that you live at now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So this property now, Dad's done major renovations to it.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: We knocked the whole house down and then redid it.
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  Speaker 2: But it was in stages. It was one of those
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  Speaker 2: firebro shacks on stilts, so the laundry was underneath, and
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  Speaker 2: then upstairs was all one level. It was two bedrooms.
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  Speaker 2: Me and my brother shared a bedroom, I remember, bunk beds,
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  Speaker 2: and then my parents had the other room, and then
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  Speaker 2: it was just a living room and a bathroom. That
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  Speaker 2: was it laundry underneath.
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  Speaker 1: Danah, And so four years old you went there? No,
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  Speaker 1: for like four months? Four months old? Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 1: a newborn baby, said you lived in the Blue Mountains
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  Speaker 1: for four years? No?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, So my brother was three years older than me.
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  Speaker 2: I chucked a few numbers out there, and then I
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  Speaker 2: moved to the center coast mick Master's Beach. This house
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  Speaker 2: is not the same house, but where were We now
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  Speaker 2: have a studio in my parents' house too.
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  Speaker 3: So you so it's twenty basically, it's twenty six years
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  Speaker 3: pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you just moved in with your girlfriend, which
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  Speaker 3: is only you know, five minutes away from there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm a bit of a homebody.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait until I don't want to promote my own episode.
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  Speaker 1: Waiting to you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well I think that's what's so interesting. We
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  Speaker 2: have such different upbringings.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then I guess, give me,
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  Speaker 1: give me a.
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  Speaker 3: Core memory from from like when do you remember the
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: house being a fiber shack or did your dad randomly?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a core memory, So I don't you
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  Speaker 2: remember a lot when you were a child. I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember much. I think, like honestly, like it must be nice.
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  Speaker 2: But I had a very blissful childhood, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I remembered much because nothing was really like stand out.
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  Speaker 2: It was just it was just nice. It was just good,
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  Speaker 2: I remember, though. So dad knocked down this house in stages,
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  Speaker 2: so he built underneath at first and then knocked down
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  Speaker 2: on top, so we had someone to live underneath, and
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: then his him and mum's bedroom. They let us draw
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: or draw all over the walls.
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  Speaker 1: That's acting.
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  Speaker 2: So me and my brother had like permanent markets. I
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  Speaker 2: remember friends coming over and we had this whole it
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  Speaker 2: was like a graffiti wall, Like our friends would come
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  Speaker 2: over and we would fucking join it.
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  Speaker 1: I was the coolest thing. Everyone's like, oh, comes on
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  Speaker 1: my wall, and shit, I remember that. That's a core memory.
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  Speaker 1: That is actually that as a kid, that's the funnest thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But like I said, my memory is pretty like just
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  Speaker 1: not good. From a young age.
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  Speaker 2: For some reason, it starts to like can I would say,
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: around like eight or nine. But the biggest bomb drop
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  Speaker 2: I reckon that a lot of people maybe don't know,
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  Speaker 2: is my name's actually not Oddie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what the fuck. Let's let's sit with the
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  Speaker 1: birth certificate government name. Yeah, my name is Osway Conrad Clark.
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  Speaker 1: Take that in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, take a second and take it in.
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  Speaker 2: So ever since I can remember, like even before I
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: can remember, I was always called ODDI I think because
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: I actually as a kid, I wasn't the biggest fan
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: of Oway because it sounded like an old person's name
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  Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, but the older it's also it's also
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: hard to say.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it just sounds so different to me.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And and the older I've gotten, the more I've started
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: to like appreciate it, and I love being unique.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, but no one.
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  Speaker 2: Only mum calls me out where occasionally or Cassie and
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  Speaker 2: that's about it.
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  Speaker 1: UK, throw it out there here. Very I've heard in
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: a while from you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but very his mom actually calls me
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: all way too sometimes my girlfriend's mom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so funny.
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  Speaker 3: I've always thought, like, I don't know too many people
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: like this, like we have a couple, right, So, like
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  Speaker 3: my name, my name is so simple, it's one syllable,
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: very popular for the year I was born, Like I
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: know so many people named Jake. Yeah, I've always been
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: I've always thought so for some reason, so cool when
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: someone's got this, like whether it be a unique or
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: even not a unique name, but they for somehow, they
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: somehow developed this nickname true at childhood, which becomes like
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: their name, what was yours?
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  Speaker 1: I don't I didn't have one name.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: Did you call Craigs or not? Because it's kind of
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: like your family name, So I.
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: Got I got Craigs by friends in like high school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: So, but like I'm like my family was always just
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: either Jake or like Jakie. Like as a kid, it's
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: Jakie because like, like I still have aunties that will
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: call me Jakie because like they just called me that,
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  Speaker 3: but I never like Otti is similar to Otway, but
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's ODDI no, no, no no. And then we have a.
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  Speaker 3: Friend named Jack whose nickname is JJ and like literally
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: everyone just knows him by JJ.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: True, his last name is Jenkins, so.
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: Jack guy whose name is Bruce and he and I
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: literally thought his name was.
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Larry for four years. Really well, it's funny. We always
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  Speaker 1: found that so interesting. But this is about this.
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  Speaker 2: Is about ye when I was, when I was born
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  Speaker 2: or a couple of years old. I don't remember this,
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: but I've been told this countless times. My brother didn't
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: like my name. He tried calling me Frank for a year.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: He wanted me to be he wanted to be called
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: he wanted me to be called Frank.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: That is so picked me from eating.
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: I know my brother's name is Eating, so it's eating
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: a naughty.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: And then we've got a mother named Brenda.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and father Michael, Yes, yes, yes, And I'll hop
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: skip and a jump and I'll say we'll go to
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: about five or six.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where that's where I start to remember. Yeah, okay,
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: that's quite young. Still, that's good like.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I I had a really really good childhood.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing really like stands out as bad, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: And my parents are very much into the environment, so
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  Speaker 2: I do remember I have a lot of cool memories
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  Speaker 2: going bushwalking, going to the beach, and always just loving
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: the environment, and that sticked with me. But the next
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: bit's probably going to be like not yet, but there's
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of soccer chat because literally that
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: was my whole life.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: How were you when you started playing soccer? So I
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: started playing soccer when I was six six years old?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I were you when there was like when
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: you maybe started to realize, but then also like your
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: parents and maybe coaches and stuff started to realize like, oh,
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: he's actually quite good at this.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: So I started playing soccer for a team called the
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Cucumber rous Let's Go. And dad actually held me back
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  Speaker 2: a year from playing because my dad's background is in union.
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  Speaker 2: He played for Eastwood Boys in like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he made for a first grade
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: or whatever, but he didn't want me to play footy
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  Speaker 2: because of like the effects a hat on him and
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: like he was a winger, so he was kind of
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: like away from it, but he knew how much like
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: fucking impact and it is on boys and like the
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: environment and shit, and he goes, you can play soccer, audy,
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: and he helped me back because, funnily enough, I remember
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  Speaker 2: this is a core memory. He wanted me to like
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: understand like movement of a ball and like catching and
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  Speaker 2: have like the skills to like kick a ball, catch
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  Speaker 2: a ball and like understand where it's going to go.
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  Speaker 2: And he was quite good at footy, and I remember,
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  Speaker 2: like core memories. He would always give me grubber kicks
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  Speaker 2: of a footy ball and it'd say, when you can
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  Speaker 2: like get a grubber kick every time, you can go
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  Speaker 2: play soccer because like it's hard to distinguish where the
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: ball's going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember as a.
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  Speaker 2: Kid like I could never fucking get it. I'm like, Dad,
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  Speaker 2: give me a number one.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, here you go.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like so frustrated because it just bounces
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: and it hits you in the face. It bounces and
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  Speaker 2: it goes three meters high. And then like I'm fucking
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  Speaker 2: six years old at this point too, ye yea yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yea yea yeah, what's the bet? It's only like
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  Speaker 3: ten meters away from you too.
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  Speaker 1: He's like yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But at six, I started to get like good at
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: like catching and kicking, and Dad's like, oh, yeah, you
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: can go play soccer now, because I think he just
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: also didn't want me to just like put me in
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: the hands of someone else and go like here you go.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: You like wanted me to have a little bit of
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: like yeah yeah, fair background behind it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm also grateful too because I remember my.
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  Speaker 2: Mum was very hands on and like teaching me coordination skills,
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  Speaker 2: like from a young age. My mum was always really
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: good at like throwing catching. My mum's a bit of it.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Was a tomboy, like to a tea and like loves
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And what's her sport? She she did everything. I remember
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: she played hockey. Fuck that's deadly. I think that was
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: her sport. But she was also a really good runner.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't really know know it, but but so six
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I started playing for the king Koma Rus And you asked, like,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: when did they know I was good? I'm pretty sure
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: I was like good, like better than a lot of kids,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: just as soon as I started.
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  Speaker 1: So it just clicks. But for some kids it clicks
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: like they have a vision. Yeah, and Dad.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Likes to claim like it was because of him and
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: he's like teaching me that and they hold me back
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: a year.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I tell you what could it helped?
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So six through to eleven I played for
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: the kingcumber Rus and then in the background, I went
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: to a public school called Kincomber Public School, which is
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: like ten minutes away from McMaster's Beach where I grew up,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: which is also like a small coastal town on the
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: East coast of Australia. So basically I love soccer just
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: from the start, made a lot of friends throughout that
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: time as well, and then hop skipping a jump, I'm
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: now eleven, okay, And we had a very good soccer
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: team at kin Komba. We won a lot of awards
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and I think we went on like the longest undefeated
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: streak ever as like a team. It was like something
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: from Crazy, like seventy games or some shit.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I love seventy Yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't lose for like two or three years
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I wish I was on one of those teams growing up.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I just never was.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what happened with that was so like the
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: representative team around here was the Central Coast Mariners.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And when I so you had to go trial for
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: a REP team. I think it was called CenTra Coast
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Lightning when I first went there, and all the everyone
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: who thinks they're good enough goes trial, and eleven's the
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: first year you can get in, and it goes all
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: the way up to eleven suitor eighteen twenties first grade
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: and then the A League team.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So the A League is our top, our, top league
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: for soccer. Yeah, yeah yeah, And it's like, this is
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: what are we going to do? This is this is
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I want to be a soccer player.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: This is what I thought to be fair like, you
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: would have experienced so much what's the words I'm thinking
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: of here? So like throughout the earliest of you playing
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: soccer and then when you were on that team that
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: had that massive winning streak, right.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have experienced so much.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: What's the right word I'm looking for here, Like companionship, belonging,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: like a like soccer became the thing that was like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: this is what brings me joy. Being good at this
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: brings me joy, like obviously in high watching.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: In hindsight too, I think it brought me value.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is what brought you vow, this
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: is what made it so people valued you.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: So obviously you.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Being good at this and going and pursuing this is
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: what's going to keep like I don't know, subconsciously, like
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: my parents proud, my friend's proud, my friends actually want
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: to be friends.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: With me, like all that type of shit. It's interesting
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: how it works.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And I think, so, I you had to go through
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: this whole trial process, and I remember being like an
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: eleven year old kid, and I'm thinking, this is extensive.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: This is fucking They have to they have to like
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: start cutting kids and stuff, and like eleven kids cry
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: That's hell, that's crazy.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I remember I made it. I made it through. I
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: think I was playing like right back at the time.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And then two or three others from my team made it,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: which is really rare from like all of the Central
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Coast trials for this, even kids from Sydney come to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it as well. And then three from kingcumber Rus made it,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: which was like unheard of, like three. So I had
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: two mates as well, you know Sam Webb. Yep, he
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: was one Sam Webb, and there was another guy as well.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I've been mates. I've been mates with him since forever. Wow.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so I make that rep team from eleven and
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: at that time still love and soccer, hop skip and
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: a jump. Let's go to like fifteen or sixteen. Each
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: year or year they either you get retained or you
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: have to retrial, which basically means if you have to retrial,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you're probably not going to make it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just want to see if you want it enough. Yeah. Yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And every year I got retained except for I think,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: oh here we go, let's go. I think fifteen's going
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: into sixteens.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I always I was always a good athlete, So I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was like really really fast, good defender and like great insurance,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: but like technically on the ball, I was quite average.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: So that year I just scraped my way through. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I remember like having a conversation with like only just made.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I was like the second last or last player to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: like not get cut.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: What'd that feel like?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Felt pretty bad because that, like soccer was my whole identity.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I was like I don't know like what I do
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: it because like what playing for the Marino means instead
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: of like playing against kids who grew up on the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Central Coast diverse like everyone in Sydney, like pretty much
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: everyone in New South Wales is good plays in this league.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And then I think Dad probably had this idea.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: But so, like I said, I wasn't good on the ball,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: but I was pretty good elsewhere. So I started taking
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: up football, which is like kind of like how do
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I explain football indoor soccer but with skill, So like
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: it's to work on your ball skill. You play off
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a little ball that's weighed so it's really quick and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: she fast paced, works on your touch, lots of goals,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: not as much running around and it's all about like
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: ball skill, which was like a great play from my dad.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: It feels his idea, and I started to fall in
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: love with football, so hell yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And then that next.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Year, like that all added together and I started to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: become like actually a really good soccer player.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That was the missing piece to me becoming a good footballer.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And then that year half of our team combined with
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: another team and we went to a it was called
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the Sobroto Cup. We went to India to play soccer
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: in a competition which.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I remember this, Yeah we really knew each other at
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, we didn't do good at all in
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the competition, but it was.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: It was cool.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Nonetheless, went to India it was fucking I remember as
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: hot as fun. Yeah, it was heaps of fun. It
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: was just like, well you went with, we went with.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It was half of our team in half of the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: older age as well, so the best players.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And then another were you not representing the country?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: No, this was the Mariners so and then also in
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the background, I think it was the next year I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: represented Australia in futsbal. Oh okay, but that was looking
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: back in hines.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: That was in Greece.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: In hindsight, it was kind of like a money grab
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: for the footsball association to make money because you had
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to pay for it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But then also like.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It was also like a cool experience because you didn't
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: play other countries. We versed all the Greek footsball teams,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: which also were way better than Australia.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Ah wait, okay, so wait this was like did you
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: have to try out for that?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: We went to nationals I played for like Northern New
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: South Wales and then they we came. I think we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: lost in the grand final, like Queensland or something. It's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: basically like fucking state of origin for footsball. But you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: have every single state with like different branches in it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And then they picked the best players from the competition
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to go on this tournament, which is really really cool.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And then we had a really good team as well.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Basically soccers my life, playing futsal in the background. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: went to King Gumba High School. Was ever really like
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that smart, but I always applied myself. I was really
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: good at I was good at maths. It wasn't like
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a big fan of school. I was good at maths,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and like, I tried hard, but I definitely had like
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I've got something.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Terrible at English, terrible at spelling. Always have been, I think,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: always will be. Guys, I wish everybody. I wish the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: baddies were here behind the scenes when he was reading
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a dilemma.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, reading, I do think I've got a little bit
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: of like undiagnosed dyslexia when it comes to reading.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I look, there's every chance in the world that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've always got away with it too, because
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: like I remember in school, so like I tried hard,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: but I was that kid who if a teacher asked
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: me to read something like, oh, I knew it was happening.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I was reading like three lines ahead and like getting
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: sweaty palms so I could read out loud and not
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: stuff it up because I was so nervous to stuff
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and my parents will always used to be like,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you don't even try.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm fucking like trying, and like, I don't know.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I don't even think it's possible to learn this shit.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I remember like like you start doing essays and like
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: submitting assignments, and I think, what was it called on
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a computer when you can spell check? Spell check like
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: just came out or something. I fucking abused that thing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And Dad's like did you even read this? And I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: would like spell check different words and just click like
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: one of them thinking it made sense, and they're like
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: thinking it was the one I spelled and that like
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Dad would read. It's like, did you even read this?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, He's like that, what's this word meaning?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, and I said a different word, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I was like, I don't know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: He's like, you don't even.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Try it, and I was like, well, I actually clearly
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I am trying. But the thing that I was thinking
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: about it the other day so behind the scenes, like
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'm average at best, but sometimes I really struggle
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to read.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and normally I edit it out.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: But I was thinking the other day, so we've been
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: on the pod for four years, we've been doing dilemmas
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for how to Know three years, and I was like.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Realistically, I haven't got any better.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: No, I would say, no, yeah, I agree, And I
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: was like to like not to be me.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, but surely if.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I actually didn't have something like not in quotes wrong
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: with me, I would get better.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I guess genuinely though, Like if you're if we think
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: about it properly, it's like, you know, you'd think it's
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: hours of experience.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I was like, there's got to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: be like something or if you're like something just doesn't
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: click my brain when I read.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But sometimes it's it's weird.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I can kind of get fluent, but then I
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: get in my head too much and I'm thinking about
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the word, the word after the word that I'm reading,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and then that wigs my brain.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Out something funny that I've noticed. I think, I know
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: when you're doing that, Yeah, because how do I even
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: explain like I assume you probably know when you're.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Doing it right, yes, And I can't break out of it. Though.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Sometimes when you're reading this must be so you're reading ahead,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: but then your words are saying a couple of words behind.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You. It sounds like you've breathed out too much.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you've breathed out too much, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you're you're quiet.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Down a lot, like you get a lot softer.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like and what's happening is like
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like you're there's a rhythm going and in
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: your head, I reckon, you're thinking, I've got to hold
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: onto this rhythm.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I've noticed sometimes.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I do I do, I do, I like, don't breathe
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and then like my words must get quieter too. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: didn't know that, but so that I always struggled in
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: the background with that. But also I got away with
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it too because like I understood everything yep. So like
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: even if I couldn't read a word or I didn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: fully like be able to understand the sentence or write
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it out, I always knew what was going on.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: So like I was good at mass, I was good
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: at science, I was good at anything that didn't have
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: like words in it the matter basically okay, now here,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: but that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Was going on.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Like I tried in school, but like I was ever
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the smartest kid, So like sixteen, I just made that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: soccer team, and then I actually started to become pretty
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: good and I started to get like pushed to.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: The older ages.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: So I was sixteen playning the sixteens, and I was
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: also playing the eighteens as well against kids who were
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: like bigger than me, and like that was developing my
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: skills a lot. And then I got asked whilst I
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was in year eleven and twelve to start training with
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the eighteen twenties in first grade, which meant training in
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the morning when I was meant to be going to school,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and training was forty five minutes away from school, so
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I remember I forgot it with the traffic and shit
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: damn yeah, yeah, so I missed a lot of like
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: year eleven and twelve, like I think you were meant
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to train three days a week. But in the background,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: like I also knew I was kind of always a realist,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and I saw my parents in like a sense of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: like how realistic is that the year to make a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: career soccer.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And you're losing your education.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I trained, I missed like two more and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I'll get to school with like lunchtime.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And then I loved it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But because like I missed like three periods and then
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I had like two periods and they went home.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: That's actually hectica.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: It's funny, like, wonder did your parents when you got
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: offered that? Yeah, was there ever a moment where they
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: were like, no, no, no, you can't miss school?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Mom kind of, but Dad was kind of like, oh,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I think we met in the middle because I was
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: meant to be training three days a week and like
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you can go to two, and so your dad was a.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Bit more keen on the whole idea of it. Dad.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Dad, Dad was the most like supportive father ever, especially
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: for like sport or even just in anything. But he
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: had a passion for it. He loved I think he
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: like like going to it with.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Me, okay, fair, he like hanging out with you and shit.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Like I remember as a kid too, just being like
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: being this classic brat, being like fifteen sixty in this
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: age and like my parents were driving to Sydney every
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: fucking weekend and then I would be a brat and
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: not talk to him and listen to music because I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: had to get in the zone. That is, if if
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you could change one thing, would you prefer to go
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: back and.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Just sit there and chat?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent and like and then I remember too,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: if I had like a bad game, I wouldn't even
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: like talk on the way home. I like, wouldn't even
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: listen to anything. I was like, but you want to
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: talk about the game? I was like no, Like I
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was just like, fuck off, flash that shit.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: That's like it's kind of funny. I think, like.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if is that something that's like
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: so normal to go through or like, would you have
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: preferred your dad to be like maybe a little bit more,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: nobody put the fucking phone down, We're gonna talk about it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: You're gonna just tell me how why this game has
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: made you feel so shit for five minutes. Then you
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: can go to sulk like that would have Like if
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you think about it, would you think like I would
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: have preferred if dad did that?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Or do you not? Do you just think like, yeah, look,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think it is what it is.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know because also I don't think
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that would that wouldn't have worked for me? Right, Like
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like going up against me and I'll
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: be like, no, you're not fighting this. It also wasn't
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: my my parents' parenting style. Yeah, I think that they
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: were very much like you'll figure it out yourself. Yeah
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: this was wrong, but I do. I don't think I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: ever like I definitely said it when I was older,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and maybe I should even say anymore.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: How appreciative I should have been of.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: That, Like now that I'm an adult and realizing like
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: what a weekend means to someone after working all week
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and like they gave their whole weekend to be Yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Which I'm very very appreciative of. It's crazy. Can you
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: picture yourself giving your whole like giving your right not
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's why that's why I'm like not ready
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: for a kid.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: If it was, if the kid came out, you'd be like, yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: like you also got like you got you're eleven years
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to prepare, prepare for that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: But so your dad was always sup supportive, never made you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Was he did if you had a bad game? Was
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: he like that was a shit game?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Or was he always kind of.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Like you know, nah nah nah, he didn't care at all.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And also like my playing style was like mister consistent. Okay,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I never did something like crazy, but I was also
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: always really I played center back because I was tall
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and right back and I was a really good defender,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and I like everyone could always rely on me. That's
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: like what I that's like what I was there and
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the team for Yeah. And then so at this age
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: year eleven and twelve, I'm playing an age up in
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: soccer here or thereabouts, and like I kind of like
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it was just in a little bit in the back
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: of my brain. It hadn't landed there yet. But like
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I think I'm seven eight now going into year eleven
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: or like halfway through eleven, I'm like this. The thing
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: about soccer was like it kind of forces you into
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the system to be, in quotes a man and kind
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of like fake it to you make it. And like
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I hadn't realized that at the time, but it basically
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: forced you to be a cog in the system. There's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of politics who you know, not how good
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: you are gets you you up and above other players,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And I never really liked that, and like we didn't
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: know anyone in the club. It was all just purely off,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Like my ability and then I'm missing school and then
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'm also going to plan soccer. I'm juggling a lot
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of things. I'm like seventeen, don't have a Scooby Doo,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: what's going on with life?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And then same thing happens. In year twelve, I decided
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to do my ETA HC. I like major is that
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: what it's called? Kind of remembering like PDHP, Graphics and business.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: There are three things I picked really loved. Business did
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: really good in that I got like second in the year.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I got like ninety in it or something. Maths i'd
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: actually ended up doing average as I was in advanced Maths.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And then I right before the testing, I dropped down
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to like normal masks. I was struggling so much. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: then graphics I topped the year and I got some
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: award for that too.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Top to the year in graphics. Well that's why I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: ended up doing architecture and university. Ah okay, okay.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Because me and one friend you'll know it is Austin
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: mcaf under graphics. We did we both did really good actually,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: but it's also like it's I think it's it's similar.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You would note it's similar to would work like it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: kind of easy to be good at it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to do is apply yourself.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like that's literally, yeah you literally you
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: just have to apply yourself.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: And I like designing on a computer, which I think
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: paid dividends for, like editing the podcast in a sense.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah here.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So I'll actually go And I was dating the skill
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: captain at the time, which she made me apply myself
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: because she was like she was trying really hard, Like
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I'll give her credit for that. I don't think I
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: would have applied myself as much if I wasn't dating her.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Part of it was like almost wanting to keep her
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: on your good side.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was away like like I try
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: really hard in everything I do. That's always been what
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I've done. And I think like she was trying, so
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like I need to impress that I want to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: try hard to.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fair, fair, fair, So I'll
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: kind of sent you re credit for that. And basically
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: finished school.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I got like a seventy and a half etar good.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: And then at this point I drunk, like I was
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a really late bloomer, Like you can tell I had
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: like no sort of like social life in a sense
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of like hanging out with friends. Like I didn't start
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: drinking at sixteen. I had my first drink on like
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: New Year's twenty seventeen. I think maybe okay, okay, And
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: then so was it twenty surnay or twenty eighty.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a blur. But in the background,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I'm playing eighteen soccer. And then I'm also as I
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: turn eight eight and I'm being pushed to twenties. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: then I also come to the major debate of like
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: what do I do after school? Yeah, and my parents
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: weren't pushing me at all by any means. And then
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: like my brother hadn't gone to UNI at that point,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't really know what to do,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and I just started I remember like just looking up
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: on I can't of remember cause you look up all
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the different courses, and I was looking up between because
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I did well in graphics. I was just clicked like
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I'm good at design, so I'm like I could do
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: architecture or building construction management.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yep. And you can put it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You can apply to universities and pick like certain things,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and if you don't get the top one, you do
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the second one.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got into Newcastle University for architecture, which
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: is actually pretty good. I think the requirements were like
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: eighty something because my graphic results were good. It got
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: me in because of off like prior learning.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And then I so eighteen, say we're going into nineteen.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: It's this kind of age is one massive blur.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: For me, right, A lot of development going on, a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: lot of development, and in the background playing soccer. I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: was playing. I was playing eighteens and then being.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: On the bench for twenties as well, and then I
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: got asked to train with twenties. Eighteens went back to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: afternoon sessions because a lot of the kids, like me,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, we can't ask kids who are in school
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to train in the morning. That doesn't make any sense, yep.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think that a lot of parents had a lot
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of rebuttles, so they put eighteens in the afternoon and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: then twenties in the morning. But I was driving to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Newcastle for three or four times a week to fucking
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: go to university, so I couldn't train with the twenties. Okay,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: So I was playing eighteens and twenties, but I was
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: only training of the eighteens and I ended up being
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: staying in the eighteens because I couldn't develop and go
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to the twenties if that makes sense.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: And then I just started to fucking hate my life
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a yeah, right, and like I was because I was
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: going to Union, and then I was thinking, like fuck,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I was like I don't like this. I was like
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: half the time half my lafe driving to Newcastle an
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: hour and a half each way, yep.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm like this isn't what I want to do.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And then I'm after the session I'm training with add
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: anyear old, who I was like arguably better than a
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: lot of them, yep. And then I was like I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: can't develop because I'm stuck trying to also not commit
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: fully to something that's probably not likely going to happen.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: So what was keeping you at soccer? Just I was
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: good at it and that's all I've ever known.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: And in the back that was there, like so you
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: thought yourself, I'm not gonna go pro.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: But was there still a thing of like I could?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I think I always knew, like those ball skills always
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: caught up to me and like I was never like
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that good, but I was good, So it was hard.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And then like there was a lot of like like
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I said, politics there that was like kind of steering
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: me not to develop and go further because I didn't
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: know anyone in a sense. And also, like I said,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: my ball skills weren't there. And then I remember it
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: came to a point so I was like eighteen or nineteen.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: It's a blur. Some of the numbers might be wrong.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: You had to if you didn't train, they wouldn't start,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: and we trained three times a week.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I would go.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I started to going on the training once a week,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and I just made excuses for the other times I'm
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: at UNI or I can't make it or whatever, so
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I can still start because I'm like, if I'm driving
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: a Sydney, I'm as, we'll fucking start.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be on the bench, yeahs
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: will start.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And then it's just like all this just sort of
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: clicked to me in a sense, and I was like fuck,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I was just like I'd had enough. I don't remember
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it all if I talked to my parents about it,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: or if I just did it and I just fucking
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: quit both of them.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: May you quit both architecture and soccer?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just quick everything, I like knew, I just quit.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I was this, I just like had.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Enough where you're just like both of these things are
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: bringing me so much fucking stress.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, legit its like eighteen turning nineteen. I think that's
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: how old I was, maybe twenty, I can't remember. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: think it was eighteen twenty nineteen or nineteen twenty twenty whatever.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, fuck, I was just and
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I remember talking to like, did you still have your
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: girlfriend at this point? Sort of sort of not and
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: off it would have been we broke up, like I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: think maybe just we would have like just broken up
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: after this maybe okay, that same girlfriend as a school captain.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: And then I remember talking to like the technical director
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: about it, and I was just like I was just
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: saying all my concern I was just like, I don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I just actually don't love it anymore, Like the love
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: for the sports has been like fucking taken away from me.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just don't want to be I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: was like, I honestly I think I said to him,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just don't want to be here,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and he's like fair enough, fair enough, and then he
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: ended up like leaving and then they called me back
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a couple months later asking if I wanted to come back,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and at that point I was like fuck, I was like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I haven't been this like happy and forever. I was like,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I don't want to
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: come back. It was because going through, like in quotes
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the professional sports upbringing, there's so much pressure on you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: week on week to perform. It's put on by yourself,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: it's put on by coaches, and it's just like that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: pressure was gone and that kind of like I had
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: such a structured life for eleven through nineteen that I
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: was just like, nah, I just need to be free
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: for a bit, and like it was grateful that my
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: parents were very supportive and like and didn't.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Pushed me to do anything.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: So basically I just like fucking cold Turkey and everything
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: and didn't know what to do after you cold Turkey
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and everything?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: What was well? What did you feel like? I did?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I felt lost?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I remember so I tried going to UNI, like I
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: think every single O one of our friends was doing
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a trade, and I remember them giving me shit for
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: l like because they worked seven to three or seven to four,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and that's that's when snapchat was still a massive thing.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I felt guilty for not going to work.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: What I ended up doing was I instead of going
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to training going to union, I started going to the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: gym every day.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I was like that made me feel accomplished.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But I remember fucking feeling guilty, like I'm not working,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: like I should be working.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I should be working a lot of these boys, yeah, yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And I juggled that for years, hey, like not doing like.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Probably jealous that you fucking had a bit of control.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was lucky that I never really cared about
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: money or I never had any pressure for my parents. Like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and I tried laboring. I've talked about a fur bit
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: on the pod. Fucking hated that that was with a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: couple of mates. I remember thinking like I was working
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: with mates, and I liked a bit of demo, like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: fucking knocking down houses, Like this is kind of fun.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I could see myself.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Doing this, smash it up, yeah, smashing shit. And then
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: we started like getting on the tools a little bit,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: like just simple shit like jackhammering and like moving screws
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And I remember like driving home one day
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: after being on a jackhammer and I'm like my arms
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and like I felt like my bones were shaking.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: At this point, I'd been laboring for like three months,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I was like, this also can't be
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: what life's about. I'm like, I can't, like, I can't
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: be fucking doing this. Yeah, and then I and then
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I told the boss. I was like, hey, mate, I
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: was like, he offered me a carpentry apprenticeship. That's where
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the conversation said. I was like, I don't want it,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm actually gonna leave. I'll give you like
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: a week or two left in care. But it was
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: really nice this. So I'm going down all these avenues
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't fucking know what i want
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to do. Way, yeah, I mean I think this is
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: when like dad had always had, like my dad's a
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: horticultures taught it at TAFE, which is like plants and landscaping.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: He had in the background a little business. It's about
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: garden maintenance and regenerating gardens to be native.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And look after themselves.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And that's what he specialized in and he started I've
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: always worked with him, like moving soil and doing this
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: in that moo and law ones. But when he does yeah, yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: throwing me a bit of work and said do you
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: want to do this? And I was like yeah, And
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: this is like the first thing I actually, like, semi
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: actually enjoyed. And I think it's also because it was
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the first time granted that he's my dad, but it
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: was the first adult who like, ah, treated me with
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: respect yep, and treated me as an equal, whereas like
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: all through soccer it was a hierarchy coaches play best
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: players for the best goes down, goes down the barrow
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: to the bottom of the line, and then saying we
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: uni teachers if you're smart and you make it through.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Same with school. That makes sense even with like the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: first couple jobs. I also worked in the background. I
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: think got to mention as an usher at a Marina's game,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: but I fucking stopped that too because I haded soccer
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and then I did all that and gardening was the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: first thing I saw. It was like started to like
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but also I knew, like this can't.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it was good because I was making decent coin,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: but then I was also like, ah, there's more to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: life than this as well. Yeah, so I just feel
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: like a year or two. I just started gardening and
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: gun at the gym and falling in love with the gym.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: And I tried going back to UNI within all that,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and I was like, no, I lasted even less than
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the last time. Tried a couple different courses, tried one online.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, this isn't for me. I just didn't
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: make any sort of sense. And then so we're at
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: about let's say, twenty, Yeah, okay, twenty. So when did
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: we go on our trip?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Held? Were we twenty one? Yeah? Twenty one? Yeah? Yeah,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: this is about right. No, this is perfect.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: So I was gardening a lot, and I've talked about
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: on the pod before I'll get to it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm almost done. Is this good? Still? That's great?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: So I'm twenty gardening a lot, not playing soccer. I also,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I forgot to mention, I tried playing for other teams,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, nah, I don't love this at all.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Like I hate this.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't train at all and just walked and rocked
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: up to games.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: There's one.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know why this was such a big fundamental
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: thing for me, but I'm so grateful this happened to me.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: So I was working with data Fairbit. I was also
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: doing a few of my own jobs, which was teaching
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: me to like talk to people in real life, which
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: as a guy, I was really really shy and awkward
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: and didn't have many talking.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Skills, and but I thought a lot. That was weird.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: That was a weird thing about me.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't talk, but I thought a lot, which sounds
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: weird to say, because I'm sure everyone thinks, but like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just thought so much but never spoke.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I did.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So I was gardening and Dad ended up getting this
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: client which was like fifteen minutes away. She was a
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: lovely she was probably seventy nine or eighty when we
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: first went there, and we did one big job for her.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: It was like pruning a tree that had fallen over
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a PowerPoint power pole and after.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It, she's like, oh, I need a full time gardener.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And Dad's like Dad specializes in like big stuff, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: like he's kind of expensive because he's qualified. And he's like, oh,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: but I've got my son over there. He's twenty, he's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: pretty green. He like he knows what's a weed and
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: what's not. He can come and work for like thirty
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: bucks an hour for ye, and she also didn't have
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that much money.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So this is like the start of like.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Me sort of doing my own entrepreneurial gardening stuff.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And also like so I ended up I started fortnightly
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I would go to her name was Francis, loveliest old
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: lady in the world, going to this lady's house and
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: gardening once a fortnight for two hours each time for
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: thirty dollars an hour. And we ended up just like talking,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: which was really really nice and like I didn't know
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: how to talk prior to her. Yeah, and like I
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: used to be really nervous going there when I started
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And then we formed a really nice relationship
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: and she was teaching a lot, and that was going
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: on for like a year or so. And it also
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I also found out too that like she had lost
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: her son at about my age. I don't know how
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: old she would have been. There was photos in her
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: house all around it, and I think Dad told me
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and she never told me about it, but it came
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: came out later down the track years and years along.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So I think we both like kind of like in
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a sense not needed and it isn't the right word
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: but it was good that we came into each other's lives.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You complimented. We had so much to offer each other.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: And I ended up gardening there like once a week
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: for like fucking years, and we just like chatted and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: chatted for ages. It was the coolest relationship ever. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: then in the background, this is when Jake and I
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: go on our trip to up the East Coast of Australia.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You've heard about that.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: That's how the podcast, like the foundations of the podcast started.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: We come back from doing that, our relationships amazing. And
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: that's planning to seed. In my head, I've learned sort
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: of like these skills from talking to this lady and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you and like I know my thoughts and like how
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I feel mean something. Yeah, and then like planning to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: seed just the podcast and like in the background, didn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: know what to do. I don't want to be a gardener,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: but it's good for now. Yeah, And then like the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I come back and I keep gardening. Her name was Francis,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: like I said, and doing all that, and that's when
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: we started the podcast, and basically reckon from here.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: That's kind of where everyone knows.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, like basically from that point, we
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: just started recording the podcast every week, you gardened. I
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: did my job until we just like we had we
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: the podcast wasn't doing well. And then before we even like,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: we just like planned a trip to Bali.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: And then a month a month before we go to Bali,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: just like every clip we post starts blowing up and
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: we're like, we're like, shit, this could be something. We're
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: about to go to Bailey for six weeks. We need
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: to like figure out how to record over there. We
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: brought gear with us, and I remember having a conversation
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: prior being like, what if we just like go over
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: there and.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: It's just for some reason it all goes away?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I remember we were scared of but I
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: remember we were just scared that. We were like, you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: what if it just all goes away?
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But then what we ended up doing was sorry to
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: take over your fucking life story.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Give me, give me a breather of I feel like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I've talked a lot.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: We went to Bali right the podcast was like starting
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: to blow up on social media, and we were like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: quock COOKOK, we've got to ride this way, right this way,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: We're getting some more listeners. And what we did was
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: we found we thought, Okay, we planned on going to
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: bil for like a six week holiday to just like
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Laser Round go to the gym, and just like we
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: just you know, saved money for it. We're just like,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: we're just going to do nothing for six weeks because
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: we both hate working.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: And the other thing we had in mind was we're
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: also going to treat the like we're going to treat
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: the podcast like our full time job for six weeks.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the mindset was when we come home.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: We're just both going to go back to work and
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: then yeah, and then I remember also us thinking in
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: the back of our heads, like having that six weeks
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: of being in Bali and having the podcast be full time, well,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: when we get home and have to go back to work,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: we were hoping that it would like drive us to.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Really make the podcast work.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: And just while we were in Bali, trajectory stayed the same,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: and when we got home, neither one of us.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Went back to work.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Went to be fair prematurely like we both should have
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: gone back to work, but we both just thought fuck it,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Like we we just lived off savings and both of
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: us did odd jobs here and there and eventually after
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: like I want to say, excuse me, I want to say,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: maybe like a few months after we started to make
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit of money slowly and we were like,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: hell yeah, we started to be able pay ourselves like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: you know, five hundred bucks a week each.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: We were like fucking open.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Then we from like relatively maybe only six months later,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: we got to the point where we like were comfortable
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: enough to start paying ourselves one thousand dollars a week each.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And yeah, we still just pay ourselves a thousand bucks
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a week each, like that's just what we do. It
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: just is enough for both of us, Like it's crazy
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: looking back at today.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, So that's basically I think a lot
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of people. That's from where the podcast starts, So you
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: can go back and listen to that. But that's what
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: makes up me and I guess the only other thing
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't really mention too was like from eighteen I started.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So what often happens with like in quotes athletes is
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: becuz I didn't experience drinking for like two years. So
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: in Australia, it's so common to start drinking at fifteen
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: or sixteen. Yep, I was like behind on that. So
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I kind of like tried to make up for it
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit when I turned nineteen twenty twenty one
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: and I quit soccer in that and I also started
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: partying a fair bit as well. Yeah, and that's also
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: like out where our friendship group, Jake was introduced from
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: a mutual friend and that's how I met Jake completely,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: and he started hanging out with our group when we
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: became mates too in that Yeah, and we were drinking
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: like most weekends, all of our mates with trade's.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jake was a trading and then on the
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: week Friday Saturday night would go meet down. It was
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: called Point Beers near the Surf Club, and we'd all
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: go drink and start chatting shit with all our friends.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And that's where I met Jake as well too, not
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: met him, but like our friendship.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: We'd known each other since we were fourteen.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like started having actual conversations I guess, yeah, yeah,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: through a mutual friend.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's basically it.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It's actually quite interesting talking about yourself for so long
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: because so much comes back to you, and then you're
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: also like shit, like what do I say? Because there's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: so much to talk about, like this is my life, yeah, like.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: You could, you could go for ten hours, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But I think that kind of like makes up me.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I was lost for so long.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I was always so quiet, and that's why a podcast
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people, I think was like.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: What the fell audio? Is something to say?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: But in my head, I was like it made so
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: much sense because I always thought so much.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and I think there's a lot of takeaways
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: from that too, that like I had absolutely no idea
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: what journey I was going on, Like when I was
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: at No Name, even though it was a simple thing,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: my life was slipped on its head.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just for me, for me, like a decision that
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: flipped it on its head.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like I needed that and I look
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: back at it now and I think it was the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: best decision I ever made.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Shit, And I think I've always had what's it called when? Definitely,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a good decision of yeah, what's it called?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: When? Is it not? Empathy? Like I know my worth.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I've always known my worth, and I've been in a
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: lucky position where like I can I have freedom to
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: make decisions. But if I don't like something or I
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: think something's not fair on me, I will happily say
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do this anymore.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: You just advocate for yourself. Yeah, I've always been really
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: good at that.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're worth you advkate for yourself and
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: you also.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Just know what you like and don't like it could be.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like it's really hard because a
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: lot of people I know do a lot of like
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: taking away from if you have to do it for money,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Like I know that's the situation forced on your hand,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: but if you have the decision, a lot of people
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: struggle to make that decision because like they don't know
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: what's on the other side. Yeah, where for me, I
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: would prefer to be on the other side than to
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: be unhappy, fair and to and like that came for
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: some reason with your personality that came easy.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Like to you, that's a very very.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Logical decision making process, but to some people it's not
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: exactly like and that just proves how like everyone's just
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: so fucking different.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even too, Like a lot of people, like
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend you kind and not really I feel like
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: you're half, but a lot of like other friends, I
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: feel like I have to experience, have experienced his journey
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and something happened in their life where they like changed
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: how they thought and who they were as a person,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Whereas like, how I've thought, I've always thought like this
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: since i was born.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Like I've always had the same mindset. I've always been similar.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I know what I like and dislike, and I've always
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: been like otdie if that makes sense. Yep, I've always
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: thought of my own way. I've always had the same outlooks,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: and I've always been like just I've always been me,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Whereas I feel like a lot of people, like my
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: girlfriend for example, like she had to go on this
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: full journey of like solo travel. She went to the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: army and like did all that. I suppose I did
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: it in my own way, but it's but also my
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: mindset didn't change. Just what I like changed, but she
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: her whole mindset and outlook on life changed. But my
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: outlooks always been the same on life if that makes sense.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fair, No, I like there was no like
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: canon event for you where everything changed. They just yeah, yeah,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: like you just have been who you are since you know.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: It's like you can remember exactly exactly fair.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: So how that gives everyone a bit more info and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: background to who Audio is.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have something. First of all, I want
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: to say thank you for sharing. Oh, thank you, thank
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: you for everybody who listened, And we want to tell
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: you something. We went on Patreon before this and we
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: asked to ask questions, ask addie questions. So what we're
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: going to do is, if you head over to Patreon,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: there's going to be an extended version of this episode
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: where I ask ODDI those questions from the baddies. Here
• 52:12
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• 52:14
  Speaker 3: it's nine.
• 52:16
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• 52:20
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• 52:23
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• 52:26
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• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Get there, Get over to Patreon and go see what
• 52:32
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• 52:34
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