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The Strange Reality of Faeries, UFOs & the Death Experience with Joshua Cutchin on SOR · The Cryptid Huntress

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I was busy all day, y'all. But I'll do it. I'll
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do it before next weekend. Okay, y'all. I have a wonderful,
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fantastic guest here tonight. I have Joshua Kutchen here in the studio tonight.
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Don't forget that right after this show, after ours has a fantastic program set
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up for us. So let's get to our guests. Joshua Kutchen is the
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author of seven nonfiction books about the supernatural. He has appeared on dozens of
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programs, including Coast to Coast AM and is regularly invited to speak at paranormal
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conferences. His latest nonfiction book is the two volume set Ecology of Souls,
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A New Mythology of Death and the Paranormal. In August of twenty twenty three,
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he released his first novel, Them Old Ways Never Died. And he's
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a fellow Georgia guy. Okay, we're both here in Georgia and I've spent
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some time with Joshua out in the field. He came out with my team
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to do a little bit of research at the Meadow Project, so please help
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me. Welcome to Space Out Radio, my buddy, Joshua. Hi,
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it's so good to be We should have just met halfway or something. We're
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not too far from each other. I mean, that's right, we're super
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close. I forgot how close we lived each other. Actually I knew you're
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around here somewhere, but yeah, that's awesome. Josh It's so good to
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see you again. We met under fun circumstances or scary to some people,
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but to us, it's fun. We were out in the meadow at an
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undisclosed location with my team, and and you you got invited out to come
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out and do some research with this. Tell me how you feel about that
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experience you had out there. You know, I have this saying sometimes that
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I feel like I'm paranormal kryptonite. It's not that I haven't had things happen
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to me, but I tend to not find the one I look for them.
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They sort of come at me when I'm not expecting it. So my
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experience there was relatively quiet. I did have the interesting experience of seeing a
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starlink claunch, which it sort of put me in the mindset of what one
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would feel when they saw a UFO, if that makes any sense. You
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know, it sort of got me in that right head space. But you
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know, I remember that particular evening concluded with an SDU session and that was
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quite moving and quite powerful, and it was just, if if nothing else,
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like, it was just good to be there amongst like minded folks talking
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about these sort of things. And you know, I have two I have
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two four year old boys at home, so it's kind of nice for me
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to get away from that too for a little while. Oh yeah, I
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know, yeah, so it was. It was. It was a wonderful
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weekend and I got to meet so many great people, like like yourself.
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So it was, it was. I can't wait to go back in the
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fall, hopefully when there are fewer ticks and there's better visibility through the trees.
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Oh yeah, Well here I'm going to let you in on a little
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secret. I was there this weekend actually with my team, my whole my
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not my whole team. We had like a small group of us out there
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is, by by no means our whole team. But I went out there,
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actually took my son into for one night. He was not able to
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get into the meadow that night because we do not allow children anyone under eighteen
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is not allowed for obvious reasons, you know, to go out there.
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But hey we I actually stayed back at base camp with him that night,
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and we were surrounded by coyotes and u and that was about the strange that
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the highly the most high strangeness. Let's just say that we got with those
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coyotes at night. So but the team experienced some cool stuff out out at
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the meadow that night. So yeah, you know, I often say that
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that you know, looking for UFOs is skywatching with a purpose, and going
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out doing to these research areas at night is sort of like, you know,
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being in the wilderness or camping with a purpose. So when you get
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this sort of you know, little consolation prizes like seeing coyotes or just seeing
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wildlife, it's kind of like, well, let's you know, it's not
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quite as dramatic as you know I was hoping for, but it's still a
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nice experience, numb more sure, Hey, I know, And what I
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say is it Well, if we don't get any kind of activity, at
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least we had a fun camping trip. Okay exactly. That's all you can
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ask for, and it's just an added bonus to get to see a bigfoot
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or see UFOs or see light beings and the portal. We had so much
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stuff. I know you were probably expecting, probably even more activity than what
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you got, but we had some cool stuff that happen. Yeah. I
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have this attitude sometimes, and this might be what keeps me from experiencing stuff.
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But I have this attitude sometimes of the pessimist is never disappointed. So
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maybe that was part of my problem, is that I was going in not
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expecting something, not because of you know, the location being hyped or anything,
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but rather from my own standpoint and my own rotten luck. So yeah,
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oh yeah, here, let me try to get this up. Well,
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Okay, here's my thing, and this is how our team kind of
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operates out there. As you saw, we find a connection between all the
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paranormal aspects, all the phenomenon this out there. There is some sort of
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thread that kind of holds them and ties them all together in some way.
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And I think that you are on that same wavelength. Okay, according to
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the from your books and the interviews that I've watched that you've done, and
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by the way, I've really enjoyed watching your interviews. You have such a
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fantastic take on the paranormal, and I just resonate with it so much.
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I'm actually getting goosebumps right now because I think that you and I are going
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to have a really interesting conversation tonight about all of this. But I think
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that my team, we see a connection between a lot of this stuff,
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from the UFOs to ghost to Bigfoot, to portals to just whatever high strangeness
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we got going on out there. And I have some personal stories of my
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own too, But I think that you're on that same wavelength. Absolutely.
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I mean, once you sort of separate the actual phenomenon and how it's how
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it's witnessed from the interpretations that we sort of overlay on it, then it
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sort of does become a little bit more freeing in terms of how you can
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you know, interpret it. So, you know, one of the biggest
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ways that I tend to part to part ways with a lot of the orthodox
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thinking around this is that I kind of jumped off the extraterrestrial hypothesis bandwagon regarding
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UFOs a few years ago. Obviously I can't say that that's not what's going
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on, but for me and just sort of the connections that I've tended to
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see over the years, it seems to point to something a little bit more
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metaphysical. And yeah, I've often said that there are just so many places
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where these phenomena overlap that if it's not all the same thing wearing different masks,
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then these Venn diagrams overlap significantly. So that might mean it's maybe all
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coming from the same place and using the same mechanisms to get into our realm,
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and and that's why we see these similarities or you know, any number
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of other possibilities. But I do think at this point for me, in
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terms of what I've seen, there are aspects of the phenomena that I would
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be very uh, I would find it very difficult to say that they're not
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connected. Yeah, I think. I think they're totally connected. And something
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else that's connected are lay lines. And I have a friend who has been
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traveling around the country around the US plotting lay lines, and and she and
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I have become good friends, and and if I ever ask her for a
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location, I'm like, Hey, I'm heading up Illinois. Can you send
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me a map of your lay lines, just so I know you know what's
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going on up there? And she has no problem doing that. And I
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got to say, Joshua, she sent me a map of Georgia, okay,
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in the south, and there are lay lines going right through a lot
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of my research areas. Does that surprise you it? It doesn't. It
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doesn't because sometimes you stumble upon these areas and you just have this feeling that's
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like there is something going on here. There's a small community. Maybe I'll
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tell you about it at some other date because I don't want to sort of
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out where it is. But there's a small community that I stumbled upon here,
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not far from where I live at all, and I went there and
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I'm like, this is like some sort of you know, hillbilly Sedona.
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It just as a sort of vibe, you know. So yeah, it
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doesn't doesn't surprise me at all, and so yeah, it's really the yeah.
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Yeah. And I know that there was at least a claim at one
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point by someone who owned a business there that this particular location intersected with a
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bunch of lay line and so uh it does it does make me sort of
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wondering, you know. I I I think that there's a lot of interesting
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things to be talked about on the lay line subject. How does your how
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does your friend sort of determine this? Is it through dowsing or just psychic
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intuition or or what exactly? It's a lot of stuff. Actually, she
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I met her at the Edawa Indian Mounts, which are not too far from
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where you live and not too far from PA. Isn't it wonderful? I
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mean, I get out of my car there and I feel I actually heard
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the word and I felt giants, okay, giants of all things, which
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which is not surprising. Those those mounds are gigantic. I had no idea
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they were so big. Well, and actually, if memory serves, back
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when the Edawa Mounds were called let me get the name right, I'm gonna
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I'm cheating here and I'm looking at my BDF. At one point back when
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the mounds at Edawa were called the gil Mounds I think, or Tumblin I
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can't remember. But but before they were named, before they were you know,
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renamed Edela to get them closer to their actual indigenous name. Yeah,
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the Tumblin Mound before they were renamed that, that was one of the sites
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where they actually supposedly found a thigh bone that suggested that the owner of the
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thigh bone stood fourteen feet tall. So the fact that you sort of yeah,
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So the fact that you sort of clued in on that, yeah,
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is pretty interesting. Oh my gosh, I'm not shocked. Okay, So
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I met I met her there. Her name is my friend, Tracy.
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Okay. And so I met Tracy and Norma Jean and Tanya and Normangy is
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from North Georgia and Tanya's from Vancouver, Canada. And they had all gotten
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together and they were just kind of going and they were doing what we call
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grid work. Okay, where we're going. They're going to like places of
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power, ancient sites and and do us some energy clearing and stuff like that.
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And they were they were traveling along. I guess we're kind of connecting.
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I think Tracy was connecting the Indian burial mounds to each other, like
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traveling in these lines and trying to see there's something more to these, you
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know, where they're laid out and stuff like that. So that's kind of
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what she was doing. And she'd been to like Serpent Mound, and you
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know a bunch of other mounds, I mean, even the one up in
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Helen, you know, the one that's in Helen on top of it.
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Yeah, there's a tiny little one like near the Unicoy forest. Yeah,
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it's got the littlebo I know exactly which one you're talking about. Yeah,
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Yeah, it's called the Romeo and Juliet Mound is what they call it.
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Okay, Yeah, but it's kind another it's kind of Indian into Yeah,
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and I used to I used to have instant recall for this stuff, but
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I've forgotten now. But I mean that seems like a good strategy. I
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mean, if you look at sort of the old world monuments, they certainly
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tend to aligne along those lay lines. And I am of the opinion that,
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you know, the indigenous people in North America built their mounds, and
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the Indigenous people and the Old World built their mounds. And the reason that
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these things look as similar is just because it represents some sort of technology that
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we all sort of came up with as a species that that that really sort
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of allow us to access these these points sort of like outposts to the other
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world or launch pads into the other world. And there is some indication if
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you look sort of at the Old World traditions, and it's it's spoken to
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a little bit in some of the New World traditions as well, that these
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sort of straight paths are are sort of the same orientation that you would believe
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that spirits would travel on. There's this sort of sort of motif that you
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see through really worldwide of spirits being arrested by complexity. So this is why
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dreamcatchers work, or witches bottles, or you know. I know that in
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the in the American South, among some African American communities and like the Gola
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community of South Carolina, they would put a calender out on their front doorsteps,
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so the boo Hag would have to stop and count the calendar. So
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there's this idea that like spirits tend to be very direct in their pathways,
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and that seems to me to speak to maybe the fact that there's some sort
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of energy that is traveling between these sacred sites, regardless of where they were
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built in the world or the New World. Yeah, so that's that seems
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like it's good a technique for any us as figuring out lay lines in the
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US. Yeah. Yeah, you know, that just brought up something.
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And by the way, my light's just flickered. That was weird. Okay,
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what that about? Okay, maybe I'm not hearing tonight. We'll see.
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Yeah, what what is going on? Joshua, I don't know.
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I'm a little I'm perplexed right now. Okay, but uh but okay,
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So we're talking about bou hags, and that's something that's very Southern, something
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in like southern hair. I mean, I honestly like heritage, but like
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a story like the boo Hag. I mean, we have witches, we
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have boo hags, we have a lot of traditional things that we do down
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South, and as a matter of fact, our neighbor has blue bottles all
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over a tree outside their home, and and I'm thinking of like another house.
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I live in a historical area of my town, and some of the
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houses are very historical, and they're they're they have blue paint on the ceiling
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on their porchouse side, and they call that paint blue. Yeah, so
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what is up with this blue? There's a lot of a lot of blue
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stuff going on out here related to the pair. And Yeah, you find
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these sort of like little architectural quirks in certain places that you go. I
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can't speak exactly as to why the blue thing is a thing. I'm sure
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I read it at some point. I'm sure there's some theories that go back
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and forth. But the first time I ever heard about hat blue was in
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Charleston when I visited their Good Lord, probably a decade and a half ago
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or two decades ago. But you will find these sort of architectural quirks,
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and if you know what you look you're looking for, it really does sort
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of re enchant your different communities. I mean, one of the things that
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I always found interesting is there's this house near where my folks live. I'm
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from North Carolina, and you look at it and there's not a right angle
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in the house anywhere at all, and You're like, what's going on with
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this house? And it wasn't until years later that I found out that there
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was a certain belief that was especially prominent among spiritualists that spirits would actually congregate
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at right angles in homes. And there's actually there's actually a house in Illinois
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that was built by spiritualists after the trage the some of their children died that
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they actually did not include any right angles, so that would somehow facilitate the
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their their their deceased children coming in when they were they would conduct seances.
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It's a u the police station now and supposedly it has a lot of activity
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that goes around inside. So yeah, just just when once you start seeing
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these things, you start looking for little architectural quirks. I saw another post
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on Facebook today actually of a church in Vermont that's round. It's a round
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church, and I'm like, it's probably had something to do with that same
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idea about you know, right angles being conducive to h to spirit entrapment or
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something. So yeah, it's it's it's a it's a cool thing. It's
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a it's a rabbit hole all of its own. Oh my gosh. Okay,
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So I was just doing a show on Friday with my friend Eric at
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Paranormal Highway and uh and his brother. We were talking about the same thing.
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I'd never heard that before, about how when you sage a house,
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go to the corners because that's where the spirits ride. It makes sense.
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Yeah, I'm aware that in some old world traditions where they would have like,
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you know, a household spirit of some sort, and these were all
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very much culture dependent. You know, Brownies in Scotland or you know Domovoi,
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if you were in you know, Eurasia, just very much culture dependent.
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But if you were to have a household spirit, sometimes you would put
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its its offerings it's milk or it's bread or whatever for the day in that
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right angled corner. So yeah, it's all just one of those things that
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just That's the thing that fascinates me about a lot of these paranormal topics is
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because they really do color our experience day to day more than we realize.
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And it's we're still living with a lot of these beliefs and you know what,
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but people who don't believe would call superstitions even if we don't necessarily recognize
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them or or you know, acknowledge them ourselves. Yeah, yeah, okay,
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And speaking of mounds, I've seen a video of you. You you've
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been to Ireland, okay, and you you really look into something that I
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have hardly ever talked about on my show. And I'm the cryptid huntress.
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I should be talking about fairies in the thing, and I haven't. I
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barely touch on them ever because I just don't know a lot about the faye,
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and that's your specialty, Josh. So I would love to talk to
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you about the fae tonight and the we folk, because I don't get a
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chance to do that. I would love to. So yeah, if you
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want to, you can just sort of put yourself on mute for the next
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forty five minutes and I'll go by myself talk up now in all seriousness.
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For some reason, and I don't really know why, but I became really
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enamored very early on with Jacques Vlat's nineteen sixty nine book Passport to Magonia.
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In that book, valid does a very good job, in my opinion,
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of showing how it looks like. And this is probably going to ruffle some
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feathers amongst people who are you know, hardcore extraterrestrial believers. But it does
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appear as if the UFO contact experience is in a lot of ways reworking a
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lot of these older motifs that we would have associated with fairies. And of
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course, you know, in twenty twenty three we hear fairies and we kind
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of laugh and like, oh, the little pixies and tinker Bell the wings
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and all that. But if you look back at these older traditions, which
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really are universal, I mean, I would say that every culture on every
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inhabited continent has some sort of belief that is at least a stand in for
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the fairy folk. They weren't these benevolent little winged women that grant wishes and
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stuff like that. They were a race of spirits in each of these cultures,
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called by many different names, but they generally share the same suite of
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attributes, which were the ability to change shape and change size, oftentimes appearing
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small, oftentimes living underground, and very fond of abducting people in the populations
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who were considered most vulnerable, which you know, back then was deemed to
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be women and children. And you'll find these sort of beliefs everywhere. But
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if you look at sort of the UFO stuff, the modern UFO contact experience,
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as compared to specifically the Western European fairyfolk encounters that you would read in
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something like Walter Evans Wentz's Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries, it's just like a
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laundry list of similarities. You know, not just the size and the the
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you know the size of the heads in terms of the grays, but like,
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you start to see these things and they get more and more specific.
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And there was a time when I used to say, I think that the
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UFO alien thing might be the same thing, but I'm not sure. But
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that really changed once I learned about something called the fairy blast, which was
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a belief in certain parts of Ireland and the British Isles that if you offended
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the fairies, which were famously capricious they could be they could either do things
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in your favor or do things against you. If you've got hit, if
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you got if you offended the fairies, you could get hit with a blast
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of wind. This is where blast, blustery, and blister they all share
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the same root. The fairy blast of blustery wind would hit your skin and
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cause a blister, and inside the blister would be all sorts of things.
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You read these these stories and these anecdotes where people would open up these fairy
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blast wounds, they'd extract a tooth or a bit of ceramic or you know,
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or nails or bones, and I'm like, well, that sounds a
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lot like the implant thing, doesn't it. You know, there's even a
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story I found from Newfoundland where they removed a bunch of string, which kind
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of sounds like Mark Ellum's right, which people have associated with the UFO contact
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experience. So that's when for me personally, I was able to say,
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it looks like these modern alien abductions and these older fairy kidnappings. I think
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that they're describing the same thing, and people sort of misinterpret what I mean
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by that. I'm not saying that UFOs, or rather, I'm not saying
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that modern aliens are fairies, and I'm not saying that fairies were aliens.
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I'm saying that we're both using these culture dependent descriptors to describe this thing that
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has an objective reality. But whatever we tend to call it is sort of
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what is best sanctioned by our culture at any given moment in time. And
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from there I've just have written a lot about that comparison in that intersection.
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But yeah, it's just I could, you know, we could probably go
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another you know, ninety minutes just on me listing all the different similarities between
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these two phenomena. And so it makes me think that was sort of the
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that was really my first step in adopting that that pan paranormal approach that you
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alluded to when we first started talking. Yeah, okay, so I we
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Okay, my team and I and myself personally, we experienced a lot of
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orbs out in the field and and they are all sorts of different orbs.
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Now, orbs are a very interesting topic because there are there are different types.
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I've seen orbs that are translucent, some that have faces in them that
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look human like, there are some that are metallic. Okay, And I
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have a friend, I have a good friend who was out in the field
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with me this weekend who has a video of orbs that shoot down past someone's
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camera in their backyard and they turn into gray aliens. Okay, and oh
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yeah, he needs to come on my show and release the footage, is
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what he needs to do. But he it was some from a friend who
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since passed away, and uh, and he promised her he wouldn't release it.
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But I'm trying to get him to release it. He will one day.
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I think I'm gonna get him to release it. It's important as far
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as disclosure goes, especially now there's so many different types of orbs. Now,
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some of those words can be explained by like gases and the ground and
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you know, moisture in the ground and things like that, but not the
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ones that we've experienced. Sometimes they turn I believe they may turn into sasquatch
25:30
okay, or sasquatch turns into an orb It's almost like a non corporeal type
25:33
of energy ball. Okay. It's just really odd. I mean, the
25:38
more I'm experiencing this stuff, the less I know, obviously, because I
25:42
thought, Yeah, the example that the example that I like to use nowadays
25:47
is that like trying to figure out what the whole of the paranormal is is
25:51
a bit like trying to like squeeze a watermelon seed. As you squeeze it,
25:56
you know, just when you think you have a good grasp on it,
25:57
it shoots out, shoots out and flies far away. I mean,
26:02
the orbs are a perfect example sort of sort of what I'm talking about with
26:04
the UFO, the alien fairy comp connection, because like, what is more
26:11
what is more context dependent than an orb? Right? You see one in
26:14
a house and it's a ghost, And you see one in the sky and
26:17
it's the UFO. You see one above an old monument in Ireland and it's
26:21
a fairy or you know, again this connection with Bigfoot that you that you
26:23
alluded to as well, Yeah, I'm fascinated by them. I'm actually working
26:29
on a project with a friend of mine that's going to be looking into that,
26:33
because yep, you're right some of them. I have seen people sometimes
26:37
get upset about this too. But I have seen photographs of orbs that are
26:41
dust, and I have seen that some that are bugs. But I also
26:45
have plenty of stories and I've seen lots of footage of things that do appear
26:49
to be intelligently controlled and are not bugs or dust. You know, they
26:53
reverse direction in odd ways and stuff like that. And of course these stories
26:59
about you know, this connect between the lights and Bigfoot. You know,
27:03
it's absolutely fascinating to me. I wrote about that a good deal with my
27:07
co author Timothy Rinner in our books where the footprints end. And you know,
27:10
it's interesting how I feel like the I don't know, maybe you could,
27:12
you could tell me whether or not you get this sense as well.
27:15
But it seems like the Bigfoot community, maybe not in the cryptosological community at
27:19
large, but the Bigfoot community is really starting to warm up and open up
27:23
about talking about some of these ghost life experiences. I seem to have noticed
27:27
that. Okay, Well that's because you're hanging out with the right crown.
27:33
Good. I'm just saying, you know, because there still is a primate
27:36
in the Woods Camp. Okay. So there's like two camps. There's there's
27:38
the wu Okay, And I'm a proud card carrying member of the wu Okay
27:45
because that's what I've experienced. And that's all I know. I've experienced the
27:48
Wu as they call it. I didn't even know it was the WU until
27:52
I came to Space Out Radio, but I've experienced that from day one being
27:56
out in the field. But there's also people that are still in the primate
28:00
in the Woods Camp, and that's okay. Yeah, I'm just saying,
28:04
yeah. I mean, oddly enough, I wound up in the wu Camp
28:07
because I was really resonating with skeptical arguments, because I mean, like,
28:11
you know, I would hear things like, so, first of all,
28:15
ardent believer in the existence of something that we call bigfoot. I'm not saying
28:18
that, but you know, you would hear these these sort of objections raised
28:22
by the skeptical community of things like you know, well, why haven't we
28:26
found a body? And yes, I can talk all day about like you
28:27
know, porcupine stealing bones and big fo dealing burying their dead. I know
28:33
all those those comments, but like or like, you know, the common
28:36
comment of of you know, well, we don't often find bear and cougar
28:40
carcasses, and I'm like, yeah, but we have it at some point,
28:41
you know. So it kind of makes me wonder if there's not something
28:45
again stranger than you know, a flesh and blood primate going on. And
28:49
sort of the objection that I get from the flesh and blood hypothesis, folks,
28:53
is that, you know, well, ghosts don't leave footprints, and
28:56
ghosts don't leave behind hair, and ghosts don't leave behind and blood. And
29:00
I'm like, I think that if you were to read your parapsychological literature that
29:04
doesn't seem to be quite the distinction that we should be drawing. I mean,
29:07
one of the first ways to ghost hunt was to spread talcum powder on
29:11
the floor and wait for footprints to manifest. Ghost slam doors. And you
29:15
know, if you look into the other side literature talking about things like a
29:18
ports and poltergeist phenomena, you have these objects that seemingly have a physical basis,
29:23
you know, they some people have collections of these aports that just seem
29:27
to materialize out of nowhere. So I think that we sort of need to
29:30
rethink what we're talking about when we talk about physical and non physical, and
29:33
that gets into very uncomfortable territory for some folks. But I also think there
29:38
might be a way to have our cake and eat it too. What I
29:41
mean by that is that if you look at something like the UFO phenomenon,
29:45
you'll inevitably run into stories of screen memories right where there's an owl associated with
29:52
the UFOs or there's a deer associated with the UFOs. And you know,
29:56
I believe that flesh and blood owls exist, and I believe that flesh and
30:00
blood beer exists. So maybe there is a small population of relic commonids,
30:06
and this is just another one of those masks that whatever this stranger phenomenon is
30:11
sometimes appropriates whenever it makes contact with human beings. That's sort of my attempt
30:15
to make everyone happy. And I realized that I won't make everyone happy,
30:18
but yeah, whatever, yeah, yeah, well okay, Well I have
30:22
a really interesting connection, okay, because I know that you make a connection
30:29
between UFOs possible alien abductions in the dead. Okay, yeah, okay,
30:34
And now now I have something really interesting to tell you tonight. Okay.
30:37
And I've been dying to tell you this. Okay, I've been dying to
30:41
tell you this, and I'm actually super excited that you're here tonight. Let
30:42
me take this comment down. I feel like my face is covered up there.
30:45
Okay, sorry, I gotta have the full screen for this one.
30:49
Okay. So when I was a kid, I used to get visited by
30:53
ghosts. Okay, when I would wake up at night and I'd have people
30:56
standing around the bed, and even into my early twenties okay, and I'm
31:00
going to say thirties okay, because even up until the time my brother passed
31:03
away in two thousand and six. The older don't know how old I am
31:07
now okay, unfortunately, but you know it was I would have people and
31:12
they looked as solid as you and I okay, and they would talk to
31:17
me and their mouths would never move okay. And I would always notice that
31:21
they would stand there and they would be in period clothing like Victorian era or
31:25
whatever era I don't know, but their mouths wouldn't move, but I could
31:29
hear their voices. Okay. So I spent my whole life thinking I was
31:33
being visited by ghosts. Well, then once I started going to the woods
31:38
and doing bigfooting, I started I had a possible alien UFO experience. I
31:44
had several out in the field, and the head of my team said,
31:47
okay, I need you guys to start studying UFOs and alien abductions. And
31:51
so I started, and I was like, wow, I came out here
31:52
to do bigfooting, not get abdupted by aliens. Okay. But around that
31:57
time I was reading books like Communion and The Threat and all sorts of different
32:05
books just to learn about alien abductions. And I started having aliens in my
32:08
bedroom at night, okay. And they were exactly They had the exact same
32:15
mannerisms as those ghosts had had as I when I was a kid. Okay,
32:20
so I started thinking, I'm getting ghost bumps right now. I started
32:22
connecting that I think those ghosts were actually ets. Yeah, I mean so,
32:30
no, I think that's the right train of thought to be on.
32:32
I tried, as as someone who considers themselves a comparativist, I try to
32:38
sort of not pass as many judgments on whether or not the ghosts were ET's
32:43
or the ET's were ghosts, or any of those things in between. But
32:45
yes, I do think that you're absolutely right in there being something of a
32:50
connection there. I mean, well, obviously I do, because I wrote
32:52
two gigantic books on it. But yeah, it's something that once you start
32:58
digging into sort of the history of the UFO phenomena, looking back to the
33:01
contact era of the fifties and sixties, you'll start to find these allusions to
33:06
there being some sort of link to the dead. The link to the dead
33:08
is baked into that fairy connection that I mentioned earlier, because a lot of
33:13
a lot of cultures, again especially in Western Europe. But I make an
33:16
argument in Ecology of Soul's Volume one that this was a worldwide phenomena. A
33:21
lot of these cultures that thought of fairies, sort of thought of them in
33:23
the context of the dead. There are stories of the dead showing up next
33:27
to fairies, or the dead becoming fairies. So if you use that sort
33:30
of transitive property, if the alien stuff and the fairy stuff is describing the
33:36
same thing, and there's kind of, you know, these dead spirits creeping
33:39
in on the perimeter, on the periphery, then is that is that implying
33:45
that there really is this is all sort of one larger reality. And of
33:47
course, you know you mentioned communion. There's this famous anecdote that Whitley tells
33:52
time and again of his wife Anne sort of acting as an an administrational capacity,
34:00
you know, receiving correspondence from readers and writing them back and sort of
34:05
making observations. And one of the observations that she made, which she has
34:07
talked about in his books time and time again, is this has something to
34:10
do with what we call death, which I always think is an interesting way
34:14
of putting it. What we call death, because you know, it could
34:17
be a lot of things. And I think some of the discussion now around
34:22
the possibility of these beings being interdimensional might be hinting at this sort of death
34:25
connection because there are a lot of people who have near death experiences and then
34:30
see UFOs afterwards, or vice versa. They'll have a childhood experience with a
34:34
UFO and then have a near death experience. People who see UFOs grow up
34:37
in haunted houses. A lot of people who have UFO sightings have poultergeist phenomena
34:42
afterwards. Nobody talks about this, but it seems to be like a majority
34:45
of people who have a dramatic UFO. Yeah, yeah, So what is
34:50
this, you know, is the poltergeist thing? I know, there's a
34:52
conversation around it just being like you know late in SI you know, RSPK
34:57
sort of firing off afterwards, but like it's something that we once understood as
35:01
being spirit or ghost related. So and then of course, you know,
35:05
a lot of dead loved ones show up a board craft in these alien abductions.
35:09
I really don't know what to do, what to do with it,
35:12
Like I kind of find found something that works for me in the ecology of
35:16
souls, but it's just such a strange outlier and it really does raise a
35:22
lot of questions. But again, it points to the fact that these things
35:24
are somehow connected, which I kind of find thrilling because it implies that there
35:30
is a layer of reality underneath what we observe that is just as real and
35:37
just as important to our lives, if not more. Yeah. Yeah,
35:42
I mean I've always seen that there is a connection between all this stuff,
35:44
but like this gets way more precise and deeper into the phenomenon all being connected,
35:50
because it all makes sense because I have seen objects levity right in front
35:54
of my face. Okay, I've seen an object with nothing there. Of
35:58
course, I'm a remote before I was a remote viewer, and it really
36:02
tapped into my psychic abilities. But I mean I've made I'm not going to
36:06
say I made, you know, things cut on like didn't have batteries in
36:09
them, but I think I did. I've got toys cut on it had
36:13
no batteries in them, right right underneath my bed, like a Santa Claus.
36:15
For instance. There was a Santa Claus toy that belonged to my great
36:19
grandmother the night that she died. This is a story I don't tell often.
36:22
The night that she died, I didn't know she died, and she
36:25
had given me this creepy, creepy Santa Claus that danced and it moved its
36:29
hips and it said Merry Christmas. And I all I heard from coming out
36:34
from under my bed was Jessica, I'm going to kill you. Oh Jesus.
36:37
I thought I couldn't because it was like, whoa, I couldn't.
36:40
And in my mind, I was like, what is that sound. I
36:45
started pulling things out from under my bed frantically, like, oh my god,
36:49
what is that? And it was that Santa Claus and it was moving
36:51
and it was talking as I pulled it out, and I said Merry Christmas.
36:55
And I found out the next morning my great grandmother had died at the
37:00
same time that doll was talking. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You find
37:04
these little synchronicities like that sort of bubbling up around contact experience and you know
37:08
the fact that you've had electronic malfunction. I mean that's something that you see
37:12
for when people who have had near death experiences. Now I'm not the first
37:15
person to bring this up. I mean this was explored at length with Kenneth
37:19
Ring's research in the Omega Project comparing you know, alien abductions to near death
37:23
experiences and Eddie Bullard, who is a folk lourse from Indiana University compared alien
37:29
abductions to sort of shamanic initiations. But you know, I think what if
37:32
Ecology of Souls does anything. It sort of puts all these different interpretations into
37:37
dialogue with one another, so you can kind of come away with an idea
37:39
of what happened. But it really does seem that there is something that connects
37:45
all these things. And like I said, that's that's why I sort of
37:46
started off by saying, like, once you sort of admit that maybe the
37:52
extra extraterrestrial hypothesis isn't correct, and maybe the big monkey in the woods idea
37:57
with Bigfoot isn't correct, and honestly may maybe the idea that ghosts are dead
38:00
people might not be correct. Once you start to sort of look at other
38:05
options, it really does allow you to draw some connections that you might not
38:09
have normally drawn. Yeah, an open mind is so important when you're doing
38:15
the stuff that you and I are doing. You got to keep an open
38:16
mind about this stuff. I mean, you know, there's the shadow people
38:21
in Happening and people often ask me, since I'm a remote viewer, do
38:24
you think shadow people are remote viewers? And I used to say, oh,
38:28
heck, no, no, there's no way. And now I'm like,
38:30
well, maybe they are. I don't know. I love this.
38:35
I love this idea because you know, if you look sort of through the
38:37
literature, I mean, well not even the literature, if you just look
38:39
at your folklore. I hesitate sometimes to say that something's universal, But the
38:45
idea that a ball of light is the soul, like that is a universal
38:49
thing, and that has spawned a lot of speculation over the years that some
38:52
of these UFOs that are seeing in the sky that are not structured craft but
38:58
are just balls of light might be souls. Souls of the dead maybe,
39:01
but also perhaps you know, souls of people who are astraally traveling or doing
39:06
something like remote viewing. You mentioned you know, shadow people perhaps being remote
39:12
viewers. And as a remote viewer yourself, are you familiar with the story
39:15
of Ingo Swan remote viewing the Moon? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
39:21
that titled book. But yeah, there's there's that moment when the moon
39:29
people turn around and they and they look at him in whatever state he is,
39:32
right, like they realize that they're being observed. If we take one
39:36
goes testimony and its face value. And so my question is what did the
39:39
people on the moon see, right, Did they see a spinning disk?
39:45
Did they see a glowing orb? Did they see a shadow person? Like
39:49
the idea that we could maybe be observing souls of some sort that are dislodged
39:54
and and sort of doing their own thing, and that's what we see in
39:57
some in some cases, at least with the UFO and I'm gonna or with
40:00
shadow people, or honestly with a lot of these different topics. It's something
40:04
that I find endlessly fascinating, and it's something that's been played with for a
40:07
while. I think even John Keele speculated that perhaps the some of these glowing
40:13
orbs might be people whose souls have you know, left their body temporarily,
40:15
because I think we all do this and when we sleep and stuff, you
40:19
know, so obviously there would be a lot of them at night, you
40:22
know, astral traveling. Yeah, I mean, this isn't I love this
40:24
conversation we're having tonight. Now. I wanted to kind of go back a
40:28
little bit to these fairies real quick, because I was remembering a friend of
40:31
mine sent me some pictures of some rocks, and I think this was in
40:36
Central America or South America, and it was rocks. And this friend of
40:39
mine said that this is pretty common down there, that they'll take these rocks.
40:43
They're almost like, it's not really a geode, it's a regular rock,
40:46
but they crack them open with a hammer and there's fairy bones in them.
40:51
And he sent me a picture and I thought, oh, it can't
40:52
be real, and he was like, no, I believe he's a real.
40:57
What do you think about that? Have you seen that? I haven't
41:00
seen that specifically, and my mind goes in about seven different directions. So
41:05
you know, the first thing that I will say is that generally speaking,
41:07
when I see like a fairy mummy, your body or something, I'm put
41:12
in the mind of gaffs like the Fiji Mermaid and stuff like that. But
41:16
you know, that's not really a fair stance because if you look back through
41:20
a lot of sort of the literature, it's always emphasized, much as our
41:22
discussion with Bigfoot, possibly that these things have a spiritual and a physical side.
41:28
I mean, you know, I'm talking about UFOs as being psychic objects
41:31
here, but they do leave burn marks in the ground, and they do
41:35
seem to have that sort of physical nature as well, so that in that
41:39
sense, perhaps there is something such as fairy bones. I mean, we
41:43
certainly see lots of fairy artifacts from the Old World in the form of like
41:46
fairy chalices. One of my favorite ones is a set of little fairy shoes
41:51
that are made of mouse leather. And I'm like, who's gonna skin and
41:53
tan mouse leather? Like, who's gonna do that? Right? Yeah?
41:58
So like there does there does seem to be some sort of interplay between the
42:00
physical and the non physical in this sense too. And you know, you
42:05
might, if you're sort of in immerse in some of the literature that I
42:07
am, draw comparisons to things like saints relics, or things like the phenomenon
42:15
of stigmata, where people are not really suffering physical wounds, but their bodies
42:20
are still manifesting physical symptoms. So it seems like there are aspects of this
42:23
let's call it the other world that can sort of leave behind relics around which
42:30
belief sort of belief sort of wells up, I guess. And the other
42:35
thing that your story put me in the mindset of was these Old fourteen stories.
42:40
They're some of my favorites of the toad in the hole. Are you
42:44
familiar with these, it was it needs to be a very common thing where,
42:49
you know, people working in a quarry and dartmoor or something would be
42:54
would have like a rock and they'd crack it open and there would be a
42:57
fish inside or a frog inside. The biggest, the the the most famous
43:05
pop culture version of this is Michigan Jay Frog from the Looney Tunes films.
43:09
He was discovered in a I believe in the In the cartoon, they're working
43:13
on a construction site and he's discovered in the cornerstone of the foundation. It's
43:15
it's a variation on that entombed animals trope. And you'll find this throughout a
43:21
lot of this older folklore that people claim to crack open, you know,
43:25
claim to crack open rocks, you know, quarried at extensive depths, and
43:30
they'll find everything inside from frogs to salamanders to reptiles and and things like that.
43:36
So it kind of sounds like the same sort of thing that we're talking
43:38
about with these these fories in case in these geodes. Yeah, wow,
43:43
yeah, that's pretty fascinating. I mean, we live as such a weird,
43:45
awesome world and uh and I had one other thing I just wanted to
43:51
like tell you about this. This is such a cool story because when I
43:54
was I've been listening to some of your interviews and your you talk about you
43:58
make that connection with the UF, and I was kind of making the connection
44:01
to orbs being connected to death, okay, and people who have either passed
44:07
over or at the time of death or even at the time of an alien
44:10
abduction, there are ghosts there, okay. So like there's ghosts, there's
44:15
orbs, there's all this stuff is like interconnected. And we have a lot
44:19
of stories in my family that are passed down for generations of paranormal stuff that
44:23
happened, including et abductions, which my great grandmother called it angels moving her
44:29
out of harm's way. Okay, when they had an abduction back in the
44:32
nineteen eighties in their car driving down the road. But back in I think
44:37
either early nineteen hundreds. There's a late eighteen hundreds one of my great great
44:42
great great grandmothers was passing away in her house and the whole family had come
44:45
to gather around as she was dying, and they said that a fireball floated
44:52
out of the woods and it circled the entire house. Passed the windows under
44:58
the house, and inside the house, I went in every single room and
45:01
and then it left, and then it went back into the woods and it
45:04
disappeared. They called it a fireball, but it was really an orb.
45:07
It was like an orb or something, and it went in and it just
45:09
kind of checked everybody out, and everybody just stood there and watched it as
45:12
it moved through the house. Well it was it was just ball lightning.
45:15
Come on, just but just ball lighting lightning. I don't think so.
45:19
Well. That's that's another thing that you will find, you know, through
45:22
a lot, through a lot of these different folklores. Again, it's one
45:25
of the things it seems kind of universal. It's it's getting close to it
45:30
if it's not literally that where these sort of light orbs are considered death omens.
45:37
You know, we were talking about lay lines in the beginning. Sometimes
45:39
these light orbs would travel along these uh straight lines which were sort of considered
45:45
corpse roads. There would be the roads from the church to the to the
45:47
cemetery, and the procession of lights would always occur before a death in the
45:52
community. So that's just one example from you know, parts of Western Europe.
45:57
But you know, these ideas found their ways. I mean, honestly,
46:00
you'll find them in a lot of indigenous testimony from the New World.
46:04
You'll find it in Australia, India, and in a lot of different places.
46:09
But I know that there was at least at one point a survey of
46:14
people, and I believe it was one of the Midwestern states. I think
46:16
it might have been Illinois of people around the turn of the century that just
46:20
collected members of this one county and all their stories that they had with these
46:24
lights appearing just before or just after people's deaths, and and it's it's an
46:30
incredibly common thing. And you know, interestingly enough, if you look at
46:36
sort of the UFO literature, you'll find examples of certain experiencers who have had
46:39
that same sort of thing, and of course, given the framework that they're
46:43
working in, they're like, oh, the the you know, the beings
46:45
from another planet are coming to take me away. One of the famous examples
46:49
is, or a more famous example, I guess is the son of UFO
46:54
contact e Howard Minger, who had a lot of light phenomenon on his bed.
47:00
He tragically died at an early age from cancer, but he told his
47:02
parents to not worry because they were the beings from I believe it was a
47:07
Ryan that were going to come take them away. So we see the same
47:09
thing, these lights around the time of death. It's just a matter of
47:13
what the people who are experiencing it have a framework for in terms of what
47:15
they call it. Because if you look back to you know, that example
47:20
that I provided from Western Europe about these lights traversing along these corpse roads,
47:24
you know, they were called you know, the they were called corpse candles
47:28
because they were somehow viewed as this harbinger of spirits carrying candles in this in
47:32
this premonition of a funeral procession, procession, not possession procession. That's that's
47:40
that's amazing. I mean, it's it's it's it's so consistent though, I
47:44
mean, that's that seems to be a thing that a lot of people have
47:45
shared over the years. Wow, well I had never heard that story,
47:50
but I mean, anyone else tell a story like that. But then when
47:52
I think I did talk about that one time on one of my shows,
47:55
and I had people that said, hey, I've heard stories like that with
47:58
my family too. Oh yeah, and this is your great grandmother. You
48:04
said it was like a great She was married to my great grandfather who was
48:07
in the Civil Wars. It was like three great. Well, I can
48:10
only assume that she was a very good person because there's there's a lot of
48:15
stories about, you know, these lights appearing directly after the death of saints.
48:22
If you go back through sort of the stories of death bed you know,
48:27
experiences of saints, so you'll find a lot of illusions of this ball
48:30
of light coming into the room or leaving the room at the time of their
48:32
death. Wow, oh my gosh. Well, I know that my grandfather,
48:37
who's my mom's dad, he was a saint, Like I mean,
48:40
he wasn't. It wasn't official, but in my book he was. He
48:44
was a saint. If there ever was a saint, that was my granddaddy.
48:46
Okay, so it would make sense, yeah it was yeah, but
48:52
yeah, okay, So one one more topic because we've got just a few
48:54
more minutes. We got about ten more minutes. What about the little people?
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Have you ever experience the people? I know you studied the fae,
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but what about little people, because that's a little different, a little different.
49:06
Yeah, I mean again, like the size thing is always a little
49:10
bit confusing because you know, the fairies were oftentimes considered size shifters. I
49:15
have never experienced that, I don't think in that sense. With one exception.
49:22
There was a period of time back around I can't remember how old I
49:28
must have been, maybe between five and eight when my parents were putting an
49:32
addition on the house that we were in, And I have since confirmed this
49:37
with my mother, so I'm not misremembering this or crazy, but there were
49:44
parts of the house where she and I would find a stack, always four
49:49
quarters, just stacked up, and they'll be in the oddest places, like
49:52
behind you know, a big dictionary that we hadn't pulled out in years,
49:57
and we'd pull it out and there would be a stack of four quarters back
50:00
and you know, I don't know what that is. It kind of sounds
50:02
a little bit like poulter Geist phenomena, to be frank, But again,
50:06
you know, a lot of the Poltry guyst phenomena was at one point also
50:07
attributed to little people and faithful, but it also sounds very sort of ambition
50:14
and playful and fairy like. So that's probably the closest thing in terms of
50:16
my experience with the little people that I've had, But I just find it
50:21
so fascinating that, you know, you look at these old world stories of
50:24
the fairies and then you come over here and you look at all these indigenous
50:29
tribes and how so many of them I think maybe don't quote me on this,
50:34
but I think maybe something like around eighty percent of the tribes had stories
50:38
of little people. And you know plenty of those stories down here in Georgia
50:44
as well. You know, there's the nun Yena he was sort of a
50:47
version of the Cherokee fairies. Also the Innutriency another version of it. And
50:53
I think just up the road from us, in Blood Mountain there was supposed
50:57
to be a nun Yaahe townhouse at one point, and you know, Blood
51:01
Mountain kind of has some interesting lore around it as well. So yeah,
51:07
one day, one day, maybe, you know, maybe I'll maybe I'll
51:08
see something. Yeah. Man, there's so much going on in those mountains,
51:14
and my team's up there doing Bigfoot research pretty often and just going camping.
51:17
I mean I was just up there camping about a month ago, and
51:22
we have so much fun up there. Oh my gosh, so Bigfoot.
51:25
Let's let me ask you another question. I said, the little people probably
51:29
the last thing we talk about, but we still got some time. Bigfoot.
51:32
What do you think? Okay? What what is a bigfoot? Do
51:35
you do you think? Okay, we said, you said, it's not
51:37
just like primate in the woods. Do you think that they could be interer
51:40
dimensional? That's the question that I'll get all the time. So one of
51:45
the things that I mean, the short answer is yes on one of the
51:49
things that you know I mentioned where the footprints and that I did with Tim
51:52
Renner. One of the things that we did is we sort of made it
51:54
a point in that book to show how so many aspects of bigfoot lore over
52:00
lap with you know, ghost folklore, with which folklore, with UFO stories,
52:06
and with fairy folk lore too. I mean, you know, it's
52:08
interesting that if you look back through some of this again, this fairy lore,
52:13
again focusing on Western Europe, because that's where we sort of have a
52:15
lot of a lot of our data from. At one point, you know,
52:20
fairies were blamed for sneaking into stables and devon and braiding horses hairs,
52:27
so horses manes, which is the exact same thing that you hear in regards
52:30
to bigfoot. In some parts of the some parts of the US today,
52:32
So you know, I think that might be it. I kind of get
52:37
even a little bit stranger than strange here at this point. And where I
52:40
kind of have wound up at this point with the Bigfoot thing is that maybe
52:44
it is just like the UFOs related to the dead I can, I can
52:47
make a case for that, But also it seems to be there's another interpretation
52:53
that that Tim favors, that is, the Bigfoot is an expression of this
53:00
wild man archetype. And you know, I tend to think of archetypes as
53:02
sort of like the source code for the universe and how our reality works,
53:07
and that it continues to adapt and change over the years, and that a
53:12
lot of the strange things we see in the forest or we hear in the
53:15
forest are attributable to that wild man archetype. And it just so happens that
53:20
the most dramatic version of that is actually seeing it. So in that sense,
53:23
it might be interdimensional. I mean, there are plenty of stories I've
53:25
read as well about you know, bigfoot stepping in and out of portals,
53:29
and that certainly explains you know, these trackways that in the middle of open
53:32
fields that a lot of Bigfoot investigators don't like to necessarily acknowledge, but I
53:38
mean, yeah, I think that for me, embracing a stranger source for
53:45
Bigfoot is the only thing that really reconciles a lot of these differences that I
53:51
see in a lot of the data. Because I do believe I've talked to
53:53
enough people. I've had some Bigfoot adjacent things happen to me. I've never
53:57
seen Bigfoot, but you know, I've talked to enough people, and I've
54:01
there's such good physical data for there being something out there that I have to
54:07
believe its existence to a degree. And you I also have to sort of
54:09
look at this other data and say, how do I, you know,
54:12
make these two things play together? And I think getting weird is the only
54:15
way that I can do it. Getting weird. You're born weird. I
54:19
tell you what I feel like. I was one weird. I was looking
54:22
back at my life absolutely. Now you're talking about Timothy Renner right with Strange
54:24
Familiars. Yes, he's awesome, Yeah, great guy. He has a
54:28
great he has a great podcast, and I think I've interviewed him a while
54:30
back with my buddy Bigfoot Michigan rode with him. He's a dear friend of
54:37
mine, and I just found out that one of my sister in law,
54:39
one of my sisters in law, moved within a short distance of him.
54:44
So now I have excuses to go see Tim regularly. So I'm I'm I'm
54:46
happy. I'm tickled pink about that. That's awesome. Jerry says that Duke
54:52
from World Bigfoot Radio, if here's the fairy folk more than Bigfoot, I
54:55
tell you what, I tell you what, Like, I had this experience
54:59
when I went over to Iron in twenty seventeen and just chatting casually with folks,
55:02
you know, there were twenty somethings i'd talk to who would say things
55:05
like, well, of course I don't believe in fairies, but I'm scared
55:07
the death of them. So I think that's a wise thing to be.
55:10
Like, they're they're you know, you hear these stories about them just wreaking
55:15
havoc in people's lives. Apparently they don't even like the F word, although
55:20
I've been using it throughout this entire conversation. But yeah, something as simple
55:23
as that, For something as simple as that, they could just you know,
55:28
blind you or make you sick forever, or take you or take a
55:30
loved one or oh yeah, oh yeah. They are capricious is the word?
55:36
Yeah, capricious is the word? Well, what do they prefer to
55:38
be called? Not a Well, there are euphemisms, and they're always region
55:43
dependent. You know, the good folk, the fair folk, the gentry,
55:47
you know, the people of peace. Like you'll, they're always like
55:51
really like flattering names so that you're offending them. Yeah. Oh man,
55:54
well I learned something brand new tonight. I love that. Yeah. And
55:59
it's almost like, you know, skin walkers. I know, I'm not
56:00
supposed to some people don't like to say that word. So it's very similar
56:04
to that. It's like some people don't want you to say that word.
56:07
Yeah, and you know there I believe it's amongst the Tlinget people of Alaska.
56:12
You're not supposed to say kushtaka, which is one of the yes,
56:16
I was going to say that, ye yeah, yeah, yeah, so
56:19
yes. So do you see these prohibitions, Yeah, you do see these
56:22
prohibitions against speaking the names of these things, which you know, it might
56:25
be that, uh, people were sort of sharing these stories somehow across the
56:31
Atlantic, but I'm of the opinion that everybody is coming to these conclusions because
56:37
they're reaching the same objective, objective conclusion. They're they're experiencing these things.
56:40
That's why they have these similar similar beliefs no matter where you go. Yeah,
56:45
yeah, well, this has been absolutely fun and amazing, Joshua,
56:50
thank you so much for being here tonight. This hour has flown by as
56:52
absolutely totally. It went by really quickly. Well, where where can everybody
57:00
find your books? And I give my audience a little bit of information on
57:04
your website. Absolutely, you can find me at Joshua Cutcheen dot com.
57:08
That's j O S h U A c U T C h I N dot
57:14
com no s and there are links to all my stuff there. I do
57:20
have copies of some of my books that you can buy directly from me through
57:22
the website. Otherwise you can find most of them at all the online retailers.
57:28
However, my last two entries, which are the ecology of Soul's volume
57:32
one and two with a third volume it's just in notes and bibliography and appendices,
57:39
those are on Amazon or for me directly. And you know, I
57:43
just wrote this novel called them Old Ways Never Died, and it was a
57:45
real experiment for me. But I have plenty of those copies too, and
57:49
I like to offer a discount when people bundle multiple books together, so reach
57:53
out to me through my website for that. I also could I plug an
57:58
upcoming event please? Yeah, of course. I will be attending for the
58:02
fourth year in a row. I think Strange Realities twenty twenty three in Nashville,
58:07
Tennessee. That is November third through fifth, and you can find tickets
58:13
for that at Strange Realitiesconference dot com. And it's always a good time,
58:17
you know. We always make sure that we have a lot of time built
58:21
in to just hang out, you know, after the day is through.
58:23
So I would love to see some people there, absolutely. Well. I
58:28
hope that I get to see you back in the field soon. Al We've
58:30
got some more exploring to you out in that meadow. Okay, if you
58:34
invite me enough times, I will show up to something you. Yeah,
58:38
we don't live too far from each other, so listen next time we go
58:42
out there, I'll be sure to let you know. Okay, sounds good
58:45
to me much. This was so much fun. It was fun. You
58:49
better come back and hang out with me because this was this was a lot
58:51
of fun tonight. Okay, Well, awesome, Joshua, have a great
58:53
night. Okay, we'll see you next time. I'll see it all right,
58:57
bye bye. All right, y'all, that was so much fun.
59:00
We got to talk about Faerries tonight. Oh my gosh. Okay, so
59:04
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59:24
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59:29
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