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Cut Through the Clutter | a conversation with Courtney Basset {Enneagram Type One} · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Hi friends, welcome back to the Simply Wholehearted podcast.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: It means so much to have you choose to take this conversation along with you today.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Amy Wicks, your host, and here at Simply Wholehearted, we provide perspective, purpose, and plans to help you love God, love others, and live your best life.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Before we officially begin a new season next week, I thought it would be timely to have a conversation about making space for change.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Change in our home, our family rhythm, and even our souls.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: But this takes intentionality and lots and lots of grace.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I am excited to introduce you to a new friend I met online.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: And thanks to Katie Roselli and Rose Jones, we finally got to meet in person just a few weeks ago when I spoke in Virginia.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: We decided to pop on over to the Jones' back porch to record a conversation.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we owe a big thanks to the husbands who kept nine kids relatively quiet during our recording.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: There was, though, a wasp flying in and out of the conversation, and it was a little distracting at times.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: But we pressed through.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Courtney Bassa is also known as Joy in the Mist on Instagram.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: She has continued to inspire me with her home organization tips and tricks.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: She's got a ton of practical advice to share with us today, like helping us with all the paper mess from the school year, and how her command center helps her keep it all straight, plus the inspiration behind her desires to help others to make space for what is important.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, we start our conversation with the Enneagram, because she had just sat in my three-hour workshop at Effort Church in Palmyra, Virginia.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, if you're interested in having me speak to your church group or organization, you can find my bookings form in the show notes.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to travel and to share the Enneagram whenever possible.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now to our conversation with Courtney Benton.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's the time where you like have time to talk about all the things, right?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so your husband wants to talk to you.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking about this.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: And like I would never have thought about doing a podcast.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: But he was like, this would be interesting, you know, just it would it might be humorous, you know.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: It would be.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: So what type is he then?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's a seven.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's a seven, and you're a one.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a one.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really funny and like we like need each other.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely do.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um there is a line of connection.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, there is a connection.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that that was interesting to me on this, because I don't think I had really dug into that in my reading yet, but just like direction of growth, and I can just see how in our marriage, like he I remember a conversation we were dating where um I was in Boston and um hadn't joined the church where I was attending.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, if you're really gonna be part of that body, like I still had my membership like at my home church in Richmond or whatever.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: And um he was like, You need to like commit and like go deep and dig in.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, ah.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but how he like how like my view on that has totally shifted really because of him.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: So just sort of how I dig into relationships and pursue relationships as someone who's an introvert, as someone who is, you know, wants to go all in, but like him as a seven, he's just like, take the risk, take the risk, take the risk.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: And him being relationally driven, yes, even though sevens are kind of known to be maybe fear of commitment, laissez faire, right, surfacey, but he he was exhorting you from a seven to a one to commit.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of cool.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: But for him, I think it was more about like what do you have to lose?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like Yeah, he was able to do it without it being that big deal.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: You wanted to know it was exactly the right thing.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: So when I'm coaching, when I'm coaching ones, that's that's a big deal of getting over that hump of needing to know it's exactly right before they do it.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um whatever level, job, church, yeah, relationships.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, volunteering, you know, just friendships in general.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just like, well, what if this is just for a season?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like I start from a place of like, what is this gonna look like in five years?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're thinking down the road.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Which as a so as a present thinker, because you're in the dependence dance, yeah.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: You you're not it's not like you're never thinking about the f about the future.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: But thinking five years down the road gets overwhelming.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it can handicap what you're gonna do for the next right thing.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so interesting.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that begs the question how did you get started in doing what you're doing with Joy in the midst?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I think for me it came out of um just early motherhood.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I would say the time when you lose yourself.
• 5:22
  unknown: Right.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: When you're pouring yourself very physically into what what your role is.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I hadn't even really planned to be a stay-at-home mom.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I had sort of always planned to go back to work, and then as soon as my son was born, I just uh you know, I felt like wait, this isn't it.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so I think that I I went all in, you know, on that.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: And um, but I think yeah, it's easy to then lose yourself a little bit.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, like the mundane really eventually, because then I quickly had my other two, you know, three and four years.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I felt like that was everything I was doing was about them.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the mundane just started to to bring me down a little bit, which I think is true for many mothers.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, um, so I just I I started to when my youngest was uh when I was weaning my youngest, I was just thinking about like the amount of support that I had had throughout those early years of motherhood with family in town and friends and our church and just community, and just it for some reason it made me think of of moms who don't have that, yeah.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: And who don't have community really.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: And um just how can I encourage um moms in general and really just people in general, that there are there's always joy to be found.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's just all about perspective and intentionality, and um, I needed those reminders myself.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe I could encourage someone who doesn't have that sort of community and people speaking truth into my life like that.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's kind of like where the seed started, I guess.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um and for it for me, it started with my sign business where I was painting signs with words or scripture or clothes, hand lettering.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it was I was doing it just in my own home and then for friends and family, and then it grew into an Etsy shop.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um funny how that happens.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then it it even started to grow into oh, you painted the sign for my this space in my home, but I kind of need help with the overall feeling of that space, and I just I want you know the space to reflect the words that are on the sign or you know that kind of thing.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it involved redecorating.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's kind of become more, you know, helping families to make room to make space for you know what's important to them.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes they just need an outside perspective.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we're gonna do that.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: To do that, yeah.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's very weird.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely can be helpful.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's huge because I think if we all get too close to it, we get and we get attached maybe to certain decorations or the way we do things.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And somebody gave it to me, or yeah, this reminds me of a season that was dear, you know, or whatever person.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, kind of uh so I love the idea of thinking about this conversation and focusing it on how to make space for change.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: And for you, you kind of hit a lot of changes this year.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is it kind of been a big year, 2019, and changes and your youngest is is going off to kindergarten or has started kindergarten.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: We'll start, yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: So as as we think about that, I mean a lot of my friends are listening, they're they still have little, so school seems so far away.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And and like for me, I'm kind of a few years into that where my youngest has been.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's now our normal really for though for us, this is the first year that all three of them are doing the same thing.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the same schedule, same thing.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the first time I'm going, oh, there's a little bit of predictability in my life.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: But it's really when we're looking at these transitions, making uh space for the simple changes.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: How do we do that?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: How do we do that in a way that's life-giving?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: We have to be intentional about it.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you highlight a lot of that intentionality.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: So as you think about this transition in your life, I thought it'd be really great for you to share from your perspective because I think it'll speak to those that are facing that themselves.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think um just creating space for transition.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we really just need to give ourselves time to allow that transition to happen.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm always startled a little bit when we're transitioning into a new season um by what it takes out of me, you know, what it requires from me, what my kids need, what my husband needs, what um the schools require, and what our schedule requires, that we have to kind of let go of this rhythm that maybe we've gotten used to, you know, for me, sort of transitioning out of being, you know, a stay-at-home mom to my kids, you know, going to school.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's taken me, I would say at least three years to feel like, okay, now I sort of know what the rhythm is in the school year, and I can give myself a little bit of grace or a lot more grace than I than I did in the beginning of that stage.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: And now that my youngest is heading off and I'm gonna have this new season and more time, um, I think that just allowing myself to feel those feelings.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, very valid.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, to recognize that I'm closing one chapter of being only a stay-at-home mom, um, to, you know, still being available to my kids, but also being able to pursue um my business and for them to see me build something, I think is a wonderful opportunity.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, just like one one of the things that I've been doing recently is, you know, I taking a social media break because I realize like the season that I've been in for a decade is is coming to an end.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so I really want to be present um in a very intentional way, and so I can shut that down for a little bit.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not gonna be missing out.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, it's harder than I thought, but it's funny how that works.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's harder than I thought, but I I for sure am not missing anything, you know.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really enjoying being able to focus more on them these last few weeks of summer, and also um just have some one-on-one time with each of my kids and feel like you know, I'm I'm hearing kind of what's on their mind and what they're thinking about as they start a new school year.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: And especially my youngest who doesn't have really any frame of reference.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: She's just excited, and I get to be part of watching that happen.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and also just uh, you know, being excited for who they're becoming, like that I get to be present to watching that unfold and um and that there's joy in that, even though there's maybe some grief and the fact that this one stage is ending, there is joy in watching them become who they are, you know, more and more each year.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: So taking time to delight in that.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, beautiful.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, you because you're a few years in to the school, paper mess and the school demands of organization.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, you you you share good stuff online, and I I think actually that's why it is a big deal that you take a break from social media for those of us who rely on that to communicate our message and to grow our businesses.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's trust in stepping back as much as personally we enjoy the break that's associated with it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: But you've utilized that tool as a way to communicate really great ideas as well.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I know some of the things from having looked at it, we have visuals for some of the things that we're talking about.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: We will do our best to uh like link to the Instagram visual that that might be helpful on the website.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but let's talk about the paper mess because for those of us who are who know what school the school year holds, it's one paper after another.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, at first they feel all treasured, and they are.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then yeah, what are you gonna do with all of this stuff?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: So help us out.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, that is probably one of the biggest challenges with um the school year is all of the incoming paperwork.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have creative children, yes, artwork is a huge and they really want you to keep everything.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is a treasure, yes, but uh this might sound horrible, but being ruthless is the only way to go.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I'm very sentimental, so I do feel like I I understand um the heart of you know, wanting to hold on to something, but I think you know, so artwork is one example of paperwork or something that your child has made that um, you know, we can enjoy for a period.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: We have a display.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's really important to kids is being able to see their work displayed in their home and to show it off.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: But that's that's an element of delighting that I think kids need to see us.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're excited about what they've made, they're so creative.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot of my kids' stuff comes from the recycling bit.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: So trash to treasure.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, having it displayed for a season, but that it's constantly rotating because there's always new artwork.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody there's always new stuff to display.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for me, it's been really helpful and for a number of my clients uh to have a place when it comes in the door if it's not being displayed, like a drop zone for artwork.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: So a basket that's on top of your refrigerator or on your coffee table that just is the landing zone.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then when that gets filled up, you are recycling.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, recycling most of it.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that can feel challenging, but what from what I've seen, when you have a whole stack of it together, you can see often that there are even themes within your kids' artwork.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, oh, they went through a season of drawing rainbows.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can keep one rainbow, but I don't need 25 rainbows.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, self-portraits that can feel really hard to get rid of.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's them, it's how they use themselves when they were three.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, but again, like you don't need 10 potato head drawings, you know.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: So this is true.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's good.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's helpful when you can kind of see everything together.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then the sentimental side of me does have a bin for each kiddo.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Where that's where the long-term storage is.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: But the And you keep that in a different place.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: That for our family is just stored in a closet upstairs.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's not accessed very often, really, by anyone except for me.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and you know, it's a l it provides a limit.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's saying, like, this is my box.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I only have this is uh how much I can fit.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: I do it by year, um, but really it can just be a box where everything is thrown in.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so that's been helpful.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I think once you have a system in place like that, it just becomes routine.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I didn't start that when my child was born.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: It you know, it's sort of right, exactly.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I think once you have a system in place, it's just a natural part of your rhythm.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, our basket downstairs gets full, like nothing else fits.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: We have to go through it.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's like uh I'm sitting in front of the television and going through it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Filtering through it.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, right.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Not when they're around.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yes.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is key.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: I have made that mistake.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, because I think we all have to do everything.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, yeah.
• 17:56
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• 19:42
  unknown: Right, everything.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do that with birthday cards, things, sentimental value things like that?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do it with picture, you know, like photographs, like sometimes extra school pictures or team photos or um awards.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um stuff from Sunday school or awards they've received for honor or, you know, which yeah.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're um reading this many books this month award.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's something for all of that.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or just even like a something they did at a friend's house, or um, yeah, everything kind of goes into that category in terms of um sentimental paperwork.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, but then there's the paperwork that's more like some sort of informational piece of paper that we need to keep track of, or birthday party invitations, or things like that.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um that for me um really gets sorted out in the command center area.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I think Yeah, tell me about the command center.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that um we d we started with the command center when our oldest went to kindergarten.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: And um because really that was our first experience having a lot more paperwork come in that was about activities happening in the evenings or um some sort of assembly happening at school or school projects or field trips or that kind of thing.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so just having one memo board that all of that goes on to and I can sort of move it out of off the counter.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people have problems with piles on their counter.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it just visually weighs you down.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it weighs you down even if you don't realize it, and it gets lost really easily.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: So just having a vertical place to store that information, it just kind of moves it right off.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh it helps to add those things to your calendar, put it up, and then it's just a reference point, you know, like, oh, what was that?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: What time does the bus leave for the field trip?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just refer to the board, you know it's there.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um even um homework information can go there, um, sports information, uh, recital information, you know.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just all in one.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: place so there's no other place that it could be.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like really that's true for everything in your home.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you have a home for it, there's only one spot it should be.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's true for papers as well.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: So you would really make the mistake of it gets spread out throughout the house, right?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's if that we kind of put it as who it belongs to instead of what it belongs with.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I think yeah, just having a central zone, think about where you spend a lot of your time or if it's right, for most of us the kitchen, right?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's the kitchen, you know, maybe your kids do homework in the kitchen or you're talking over dinner about what's happening tomorrow, just having quick access helps a lot with that kind of paperwork.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's yeah.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's really helpful.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, how about when you're talking about combining space for the adults and the littles?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: What does that look like?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: And merging those in a way that's pleasing and organized and not overwhelming.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I think this is really dependent upon personalities honestly.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think that a lot of times I ask my clients up front are you an out of sight, out of mind kind of person or are you very visual in order to remember kind of what you need to be doing or um you know it does I mean some people clutter doesn't really phase them doesn't bother it doesn't bother them as much as other people say Enneagram seventh right it really doesn't yeah so I think kind of knowing some of that up front is helpful but I do think that I also view this season where my kids are young and they have they have toys they have books they have board games they have puzzles you know they have a lot of things.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: They also constantly have things coming in so whether it's a birthday party favor, a freebie from a restaurant a you know they always have something random coming in you know I think I've been able to step back and see like this is a season and I you know I've already seen with my oldest kind of transitioning out of toys more into books and technology and you know it's just it is a season and it is actually relatively short.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Systems are helpful and having um a home for everything we we do we are very fortunate to have a playroom but I think um you don't need that.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you you really can you just need a dedicated space you just need a dedicated space under the bed storage is really great and hidden baskets and bins are helpful.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually a big fan of having bins where things can be dumped in that aren't as organized.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to organize everything it doesn't have to be well while I might enjoy organizing and you know sorting things by category a lot of people do not enjoy that on a Friday night.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: No that would not be how everyone to just have a place to hide it.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I think having um you know just a number of bins that that's where everything gets dumped at the end of the day and everybody participates and actually putting it away um that that's really all you need um and you kind of see it as a season.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is the season that I'm in and um and those who are more affected by some of of the mess and the clutter um often are going to be intentional about getting rid of it.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know because they are they feel it and so they need it.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know but I think that that's an opportunity to connect with our kids and um and to that's something we're doing together.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're working as a team we're pumping up the music and right you know we're setting a timer to see how fast we can do it and that's been helpful to me because it can seem like drudgery.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah no I think I've had to learn that too because it does it's really important for for me and really for my kids they now are recognizing oh mom I sleep so much better when my room's clean and I like waking up.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's fascinating actually how much that affects them.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes but absolutely there's been some training and and helping them to discover how they go about it.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely I don't think most people don't really want to and they need something fun to partner with it.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly like using exactly even as adults we don't really most of us don't enjoy that and but you know we function better when we have some of those systems in place.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay systems I know you're excellent at time blocking and so I have uh young mamas in my room once a week or living room once a week and we're talking about the mundane of motherhood and all of that and one of the the critical pieces that I shared with them at one point in time was this idea of just planning three months in advance.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: And either that helped them go, oh yeah I don't have to plan the whole year.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: But it also for some of them helped them actually plan.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so when when we were talking Anneagram, it's certainly you know is telling about who are those people for thinking people, those who are present maybe get bogged down and all the stuff that has to happen and those who are more past oriented and so some of those practicals just don't come very naturally.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: I well I get some of the big picture stuff from me as a future thinker.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I do great with that and planning but um I just cannot get the day to day and I even think about time blocking and I I look at my week I cannot tell you how many times I've sat down and I've mapped out this time blocking schedule and and and while I can follow things like time blocking my phone I we talk about that with my mom's that works great.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's been an awesome discipline that I don't even have to think about now right you just do it.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um how we do our meals it's now just this routine how I do the budgeting that's awesome.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to merging my passion and work with my life and my kids and all the things that need to get done I I need help.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I think you're the woman to ask and I I I'm guessing a lot of my friends are asking the same thing.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: So how would you direct us and guide us in some of your mad skills for time blocking well I think that you kind of touched on it a little bit with just sort of eliminating decisions.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like you've done that already in it took some areas of your life it does take time it's a habit that has to be built over time.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you know with motherhood and your kids like they're qu especially in the early years they are moving through seasons so quickly.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so you kind of get it down just in time for them to switch to the next season and then when you have multiple kids you're sort of balancing all of that.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think I there's a huge level of grace you know that's required and in that season towards ourselves.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: But um yeah I think when it comes to blocking your time you know I think a lot of it is just learning to let go of our expectations of ourselves and of our schedule you never know when you're gonna have a sick kid or someone who's had some sort of emotional upset at school that's gonna require you to spend your time in a different way than you had planned.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say like holding holding our even well planned schedules loosely is huge.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because unfortunately we are not robots no we are not robots right right but I think just the the decisions that you're eliminating by having a meal plan or you know by having your budget organized and you kind of know what your spending is for the month or you know for me like not spending time on what I'm gonna wear you know I have a small wardrobe um so that that's no longer something I'm spending time thinking about um or you know I kind of have learned what the volunteer opportunities at school work with my personality.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's good and so I can eliminate the ones that just even though there's a need I used to sit in this place where there's a need like I I don't want that need to be unmet and I you know I don't want someone to feel like they're alone or you know that was true for me at church and uh you know in my neighborhood and at school so many arenas alive.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: So sort of you know taking the time to figure out okay I know that when it comes to fundraisers I would rather just write a check at the beginning of the year and then I'm just recycling that paperwork.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even read it.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's just an easy out and um volunteer opportunities it's the same thing and um just in terms of the day to day you know I think most of us once we kind of figure out our kids' rhythms we sort of know okay this one needs a nap at this time or this one gets hangry really easily and so I know I need to sort of like figure out our food and sort of what that looks like for the day.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you know just presence over perfection I I think I hear that's I hear that a lot but that resonates with me as well and that um you know sometimes we can over plan.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a planner I love a good plan.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but there's something to be said for being spontaneous when it comes to our kids and just being available for what they're yeah flexible available for what their needs are what they want to do.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know I don't I don't have to over plan you know I I kind of had some field trips planned for this summer that were educational and you know but I was I was attempting to be less planned this summer um intentionally and but just like a couple things that were more educational and they haven't worked out yet just because you know we're we're interested in playing with neighbors and allowing them to be creative and have freedom and space that they don't have during the school year.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's it's really important.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's it's incredibly valuable and I think we can overplan our kids right or they lose right that freedom to just lose themselves in a healthy way.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and I think for uh for us when we are trying to block off our time to do what we need to get done and you know there's so many distractions these days.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I think having a designated place where you're where you can work um without disruption that's probably hard for many of us.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: But um but even if it's a chair we know a certain place on the couch when we sit there that's that's your where our where we're gonna work or place at the dining room table.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know turning off email turning off notifications on your phone.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh it's so important just do it.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you gotta do it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's not easy but I think like once we do it usually we're we wonder why we waited so long to do that.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know we just realize how much those things can suck the time out of our day so quickly.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: How do you choose to communicate what you plan on when you do the time blocking and all that what does it look like to share it with the rest of the family especially your Andy Graham seven husbands.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well I would say that he and I um do a lot of you know just on the couch processing about the next day.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: We don't talk too far in advance when it comes unless it's something major on the schedule where we really both need to be on okay you know like in terms of childcare or that kind of thing.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: But um I think that over like planning too far in advance for us we've learned it just isn't useful.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah because a lot can change.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so kind of having a general idea is fine but just you know kind of checking in each night and then um with our kids we've learned that like the last possible minute sharing is the way to go.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: We all almost probably 99% of the time if we share too early it's gonna be a problem.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah something is going to change that makes it look different for them and so um we've slowly learned the hard way that yeah just kind of last minute with them and just it also allows for spontaneity.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's something I've really worked on is being more available to you know as a planner being spontaneous is not my gifting and so um and that is the Aneagram one that's that's reaching towards that growth that seven that missing piece of being able to um yeah to have fun and be a little more carefree.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Let your hair down when you need to be yes uh so do you utilize your command center to communicate plan and all of that I mean as your kids grow into yeah I mean I would say my oldest is probably the one who checks in there the most or we and my our command center has a memo board that has all of the flyers and homework and that kind of thing but then we also have a very large dry race calendar that has you know who's going where when and so I would say my oldest is probably the main one even more than my husband who looks at that and says what you know what time is that happening?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Or who who does that include?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because obviously not everything includes the whole family.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um it has everything from my work appointments to my husband's work appointments to um you know if it's uh after hours I would say if he has a work event in the evening or their kids sports and that kind of thing.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it it is a form of communication but I wouldn't say that's the main okay way I would just say that's kind of the holding area for all the information.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: And even I can refer to it if I'm like ah I'm not sure go look at the calendar what it says for Wednesday night.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um but um yeah it's just it's the home for everything.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um but in terms probably breakfast is like our family communication time because that feels like okay we can talk about today because it's today.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah right yeah so that's we you know we whereas me as the future thinker at the night before dinner we're talking about tomorrow.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thankfully my husband's past oriented so we talk about the day.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've grown in that and learned about it we revisit everything.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah that's so great.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay so along the lines of you kind of stepping into because you were going into home organization business and I mean did you get your degree in that or no my degree is in dance.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: In dance okay so okay we know the one and the four connect here creativity and the art you definitely have a creative background yeah and can I clarify that you do not have to be a four if you have creativity gifts your designer graphic designer all that sort of thing something to do with it but you have you have this creative and dance.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Come on so what influenced you to go along the direction of hormon home organization and all of that besides just you're naturally gifted.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah well I I feel like probably a lot of dancers are very organized and very type A.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I definitely think there's a wiring there that's a little bit different from a visual artist who is usually a little bit more um in their head and you know just the way that they process.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, spatial.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: And um but I after my dance degree I got my master's in nonprofit management.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I ended up working more on the business side of the arts.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's where sort of the organizational piece I was always working on systems and making things work more efficiently and how do we do this better and and my role um and my job before I had kids and people like you that I'm like I wish I was more like you I think it's so great.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and so I think that when I um I was in my my job as a I was a fundraiser at an art school um I started thinking about like it you know when I have kids I want to have more flexibility and what could I do that would use some of my skills um my business skills you know but be it more flexible and so I just I professional organizing was not really a thing then this was like 12 years ago oh yeah um or more um but it was like just there was a national organization it was just you know getting more um notice with the real simple magazine and things like that.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and so I just started to kind of read about it and learn about it.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um and then when I had my first child I just decided I I just want to be home.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really want to be um working at this point.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't until after my youngest was starting school that I just started to revisit it.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that it was more like I hadn't really thought about being an entrepreneur.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: I had thought about like maybe working for somebody else or I'm really good at following the rules and so someone else can tell me what to do and I'll do it really well.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I think having kids really empowered me to say like I can do hard things.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: Motherhood is really hard and it requires a lot of management and a lot of details and a lot of personalities and a lot of just you know handling stress and um so I felt like my background in business and my background in motherhood you know prepared me to pursue you know helping other other people.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: How what a yeah it's a very windy yeah but it completely makes sense on this side of it and how the Lord wove all the different experiences and gifts together.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Where it makes complete sense.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have a couple books or a few that you go yeah this was really influential.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes I highly recommend you gotta get your hands on it.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well there's a f yeah there's definitely a few um a couple that I've read probably in the last five years are uh present over per perfect is a great one.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah Shadow Me Quists.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes um Imperfect Courage Okay is that Brene Brown uh no um Brene Brown is awesome.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um Imperfect Courage um Jessica Honegger oh oh yeah should have no Jessica and that was really great for me um you know because it sort of helped me realize like I don't have to have all the answers or even really know what I'm doing.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um I can just take the leap and learn like you have to actually have to begin somewhere you have to begin right and um that was something that I I needed that push.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a great one and um I just read the book Essentialism which is I know Katie picked that up because of you.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay yes it's that resonated a lot with me because I I really um can get stuck with decision making and I think that's why organizing is so helpful to me and why I feel like I have something to offer other people because I'm I'm helping people um minimize whether it's things or actual tangible things or things in their schedule or um you know just their ideas about things even which is which is strange.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Mental right yeah yeah it is very mental and so I think the book Essentialism was really interesting to me.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: That was I just read that this summer.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um I loved how it it focused on you know the elimination of decisions so that you can really prioritize what is essential.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that looks different for everybody.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: What is essential there's no there's no one the right answer for everybody.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's the maybe the process more right exactly yeah um so those are definitely three those are ones that I reread and refer to um the Road Back to you the Enneagram one of those Enneagram books um is one I refer back to a lot because I feel like that helps me think about um people who view the world view um have a different lens than I do and that's really important in my work to be able to filter through some of that so I just have a better understanding of different that's so true how the personalities would approach their space.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Or even handle the grief.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yep of letting go letting go absolutely and making the change.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes and all of that that's really cool.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so those are probably the top of my list.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah those are great I I obviously having read a couple of them um I'm gonna the minimalist oh no that was Essentialism.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: Essentialism.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah Katie had told me and said hey Courtney recommended this and you should ask her about it.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: So it's going on the list.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that makes it good read it.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay so as we finish I think we could talk forever especially not the breeze finally kicked in on Rosa's back porch.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: What what would you just say to encourage uh you know the mom again we're we're talking to moms who have littles at home and school seems really far or the mom who's been sending off their youngest for the first time or the you know the moms are a few years in a f a few years in to what would you uh say as you encourage them to make that space for change and to um and create creating the space for change in their really the spirit mind and body ooh I know I I think that's big question.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I mean I think the biggest thing I would say and this is me preaching to myself as well is just grace friends, you know Grace for yourself, grace for your season, you know, grace for your people.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah I just think that is very wrapped up in our ability to be present to let go to um to be um able to enjoy the season that you're in um and to just to realize that you are delighted in, you know, like I think that's a huge one for me and that was that's just something that I think I try to encourage others with because I just I don't often see it for myself even though it's there.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I just think like every interaction that I have with my kids or my husband or my peers um is an opportunity to extend grace and like I I'm receiving that grace daily as well.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: So when we save I that is one of the key things again in coaching Enneagram ones as as they move to that place of accepting and seeing from everybody's perspective.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: And because really the adjustment there is the right versus wrong right that sometimes there's a tendency is towards but man when when you're living from that place of grace for yourself and quieting the inner critic the power that comes through that of a a type one who's living out of that grace is beautiful.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible and it's a gift that um everyone is really looking forward to giving absolutely that's awesome.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well thank you Courtney thanks for all if you've managed to listen the whole way through before you pop on to Instagram to see Courtney's profile I'm sure you're ready to go see her organization in action.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was really inspired by one of the many conversations we had after the recorder was turned off and that was Courtney's Bullet Journal.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I realize I'm late to the game on this one and even though I don't think of myself as a late adapter, I just usually need to see in person before I can try it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you haven't yet tried a bullet journal, I am now a big fan and I highly recommend this style of keeping track of all your creative ideas, your book highlights and even future to-dos and your budget.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I'll share more of this in the future but for now I pray that you feel encouraged to receive the grades you need as you start this new school year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether you are still a student, a teacher, a homeschool mom or even a fresh empty nester.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much for being a part of this community.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a gift it is to record and share these conversations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now stay tuned because we are going to jump right into all of my favorite things this next week.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because the Burr months are my favorite I thought I'd take some liberty to focus the conversation on my favorite topics with some of my most favorite people.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're really gonna like our shorter episodes and our podcast release day is going to get moved up even earlier in the week like it was this week.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to hear what you think about the changes that will be happening.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure that you're subscribed on your favorite listening app.
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  SPEAKER_01: And let's invite others to join us as we continue to pursue perspective, purpose and plans for a simply wholehearted life