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Gorgeous Mom, USAF Nurse Nonnie Dotson Goes Out for Smoothie, Never Seen Again! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: How does a gorgeous thirty three year old single mom
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Speaker 1: of a sixteen month old daughter just disappear? Where do
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Speaker 1: you even start? It's like a needle in a haystack.
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Speaker 1: You got to get to know your victim. You got
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Speaker 1: to get to know everybody around your victim. You got
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Speaker 1: to retrace their steps, where do they work, who have
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Speaker 1: they've been dating, who lives to their apartment complex? It
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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on again. It's like a
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Speaker 1: needle in a haystack. But that doesn't change one thing
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Speaker 1: we want answers. I mean, I see Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. Do ginga stars, Jane give me the timeline, Well,
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Speaker 1: the timeline is back. In November of two thousand and six,
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Speaker 1: she went on a vacation from San Antonio, where she
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Speaker 1: was a critical care nurse Lackland Air Force Babe Wilford
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Speaker 1: Hall Medical Center. She went to Colorado to spend time
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Speaker 1: with her brother, and she enjoyed it for a couple
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Speaker 1: of days with them, and all of a sudden, one afternoon,
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Speaker 1: she said that she was going to go out for
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Speaker 1: some smoothies, and they don't really know how she left
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Speaker 1: because she didn't take her brother's car, but she was
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Speaker 1: gone and she didn't come back, and her little sixteen
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Speaker 1: month old was still there. So in the evening they
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Speaker 1: called police, and that's how it all began. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Jacas houris she tells the brother
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Speaker 1: to his face, I'm heading out for smoothies or I'm
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Speaker 1: going to meet friends. How did she have friends there?
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Speaker 1: She didn't live there. And if she said that to
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Speaker 1: his face, didn't he see her walk out the door?
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Speaker 1: Didn't he say how are you going to get there?
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Speaker 1: He was in the basement with the children and with
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Speaker 1: her daughter, and he didn't see her leave. She did
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Speaker 1: just say she was leaving, but he realized his car
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Speaker 1: was still there. And let's just get one thing straight
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Speaker 1: to the men experts on our panel, and that would
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Speaker 1: be you, James Dan Corcentina and Michael Wheelan. Don't start
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Speaker 1: up with me that she ran away with her lover
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Speaker 1: and she shot up somewhere some tropical island right now,
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Speaker 1: don't don't even go there. But you know I've already
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Speaker 1: reprimanded you before I could even introduce you. Guys, you
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Speaker 1: were just hearing me speaking to my longtime colleague Gene
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Speaker 1: Kasaris and Hill when we first found out Nannie Dotson
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Speaker 1: disappeared with me right now an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. The
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Speaker 1: aforementioned James shell Nutt, twenty seven years metro major case
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Speaker 1: and SWAT officer, mel lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us from
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. Dan Coorsantino former police chief Colorado, formers sheriff
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Speaker 1: and served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board PI
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Speaker 1: at Dan Korsantino Private and investigative security Consultants. You can
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Speaker 1: find him at Dan Korsantino dot com. But first let
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Speaker 1: me go to Michael wheelan researcher podcaster of Unresolved, and
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Speaker 1: you can find that at Unresolved dot m E. You know, Michael,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you first of all about
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Speaker 1: how you put together a felony case. Okay, So the
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Speaker 1: first thing I would try to do if I open
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Speaker 1: this file after I read it carefully and made notes
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Speaker 1: is immediately I mean, right, Dan, call my investigator, find him,
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Speaker 1: get him off the street, or wherever he would be
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Speaker 1: at that moment. Yet in the county, of course, there
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Speaker 1: was always a Crown Victoria area that really blended in
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Speaker 1: and goes straight to where the person was last seen.
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Speaker 1: After that, I would immediately start finding out everything I
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Speaker 1: could about this vix and Nannie Dotson. For instance, who's
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Speaker 1: the daddy of this sixteen month old daughter, baby Savannah?
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Speaker 1: Is he in the picture? Why? Because statistically it's the husband,
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Speaker 1: the ex husband, the boyfriend, the ex boyfriend, the lover
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Speaker 1: of the live in the next door neighbor with a crush.
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Speaker 1: That's where you start. I find out everything I could
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Speaker 1: about her. Where does she work? Does she have to
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Speaker 1: commute to her? In this case she was in Colorado?
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Speaker 1: What friend did she know? I need that cell phone,
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Speaker 1: I need her laptop, I need her iPad to find
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Speaker 1: out who does she who is she having smoothie with?
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Speaker 1: And most important, had she ever disappeared before and left
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Speaker 1: that little daughter alone? And to my knowledge, Nannie Dotson
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Speaker 1: never left her daughter alone. Okay that in mind, Michael Willen,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about where she was last seeing? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So the area that Nannie Dootson was last seen in.
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Speaker 1: It was in the area the ninety five block of
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Speaker 1: West Unsur Avenue in Littleton, Colorado. Wait wait west what
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Speaker 1: West Unsur Avenue? And that is that residential suburban? Is
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Speaker 1: it downtown? What is it? Yeah, it's it's a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a suburban area. That was where her brother lived,
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Speaker 1: and so that was the area that she was last
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Speaker 1: seen in. But there is kind of like shopping centers
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Speaker 1: and little malls and stuff nearby. So you know, without
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Speaker 1: the proper zoning, you could say that about anywhere in America. So,
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Speaker 1: Michael wheel And I'm trying to get an idea about
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Speaker 1: the location because it's actually very critical to finding out
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Speaker 1: what happened in Auntie dot cent Now to you, dan Quorcentino,
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Speaker 1: you're joining us from Colorado. What do you know about
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Speaker 1: this area? This area is basically a suburb area. It
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Speaker 1: has high traffic volume. There's a shopping center not too
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Speaker 1: far away from Tony Dotson's residents sold it right there. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know you're the former police chief and the former
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Speaker 1: share and you're on Homeland security, but you're in Nancy Land. Now.
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Speaker 1: I hate to tell you that, So I get to
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Speaker 1: just interrupt all the time. You just said something very important.
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Speaker 1: You said near a shopping center. Is it some upscale
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Speaker 1: mall with Nieman Marcus and Sacksmith Avenue or is it
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Speaker 1: one of those outdoors strip centers where the sidewalks are
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Speaker 1: starting to crack and there's asphalt with chips in it
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Speaker 1: and people park their cars overnight and get boots on
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Speaker 1: their car. What kind of shopping center. It's a shopping
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Speaker 1: center that basically reflects Middle America. It's not an upscale
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Speaker 1: shopping center with high end department stores. It's more of
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Speaker 1: a strip mall type of shopping center that you can
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Speaker 1: go to. You may find a dollar store there. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I live about three blocks on the dollars tree. Don't
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Speaker 1: knock it, go ahead. But anyway, long story, it's an
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Speaker 1: area that is Middle America, if you will, and it's
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Speaker 1: within approximately a mile of the residence. There's plenty of
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Speaker 1: cameras in the area that would detect any type of
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Speaker 1: movement of this situation that's taking place regarding Noddy, if
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Speaker 1: she was moving by foot or even being in that area,
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Speaker 1: even being picked up or dropped off. Okay, let me
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Speaker 1: ask a very critical question, and that is how far
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Speaker 1: was the brother's home. She leaves all the children and
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Speaker 1: the brother or downstairs played in the basement because she
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Speaker 1: get to that strip mall by foot. Absolutely, because you
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Speaker 1: know what, you know what, my husband, my husband, my
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Speaker 1: husband's aunt Keito again. My son, my son loves to
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Speaker 1: go a little known place. I don't know if they're
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Speaker 1: all over the country, rita frozen custard. We went on
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Speaker 1: an RV trip across the country and we got hooked
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Speaker 1: on frozen custard in Saint Louis at Ted's frozen custard.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was. But now he's
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Speaker 1: hooked and it's right by the Dollar Tree and there's
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Speaker 1: like a great clips and the parking lots a little
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Speaker 1: messed up. But I'm just thinking how that fits in
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Speaker 1: with what she's saying. She says, I'm going for a smoothie,
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Speaker 1: and I guarantee you cannot have a strip mall or
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Speaker 1: a Dollar Tree or a dollar store without some kind
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Speaker 1: of ice cream or yogurt or something in the strip center.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that's where she went. Michael Wheeling, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's very possible. Something that is worth noting is that
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Speaker 1: she had kind of grown up in this area, so
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Speaker 1: she still had some friends that were, you know, from childhood,
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Speaker 1: and you know, wind up getting into this, I'm sure,
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Speaker 1: But I gotta make it out of that, Michault, because
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Speaker 1: I was given Jenekasaris a little bit of a let
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Speaker 1: me say, a cross examination. But is she just goes
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Speaker 1: to visit the brother with her daughter or having a
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Speaker 1: great family time And I'm thinking, how does she know
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Speaker 1: a friend to go have a smoothie with? But you
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Speaker 1: just answer that, Michael. Yeah, she had grown up in
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Speaker 1: the She had grown up with a military family. You know,
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Speaker 1: her mother was in the Air Force as well, and
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Speaker 1: they moved around a lot, but they kind of had
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Speaker 1: found stability in this area, like the area around Denver
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Speaker 1: and Colorado Springs, you know, James Shellnutt. The reason I'm
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Speaker 1: asking about the area because you expect a lot of
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Speaker 1: crime in an urban area where there're more people concentrated,
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Speaker 1: they're living on top of each other, you know, like
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Speaker 1: New York City where I raised my children. It's like
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Speaker 1: skyrocketed with a crime as opposed to out in a
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Speaker 1: rural area, you expect less crime. Not always true, James Shellnutt, No,
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Speaker 1: it's not always true, you know, how many stories have
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Speaker 1: we covered on the show together where you know it's
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Speaker 1: not a show, Tony, these are real powerful that have
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Speaker 1: gone through no crime and have real suffering and we're
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Speaker 1: trying to have agree. Okay, how many times have we
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Speaker 1: covered stories where people were in neighborhoods that are considered
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Speaker 1: safe and you see all of the neighbors interviewed about
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Speaker 1: a missing person or about a violent crime and they're
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Speaker 1: just shocked. Hey, and your neck of the wood right now,
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Speaker 1: the ritzy butthead area is trying to succeed from Atlanta
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Speaker 1: because of the crime that is now infiltraded. They're enclaves.
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Speaker 1: So yes, it does happen, but less often. That's what
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Speaker 1: makes this case very very unusual crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you were just hearing me speaking with my longtime colleague
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Speaker 1: Jean Kassaris. But now take a listen to me speaking
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Speaker 1: with Kate Batton. Chill in the way that it was
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Speaker 1: reported to us Nancy is that she just yelled down
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Speaker 1: and said that she was leaving. She never indicated that
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Speaker 1: she was going to the commotie shop. She never indicated
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Speaker 1: how long she was going to be gone. So we
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Speaker 1: later heard two other people to hear say that other
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Speaker 1: people were saying, possibly she went to that smoothie shop.
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Speaker 1: We went to that smoothie shop, which is about a
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Speaker 1: mile away, So it's unlikely that Nannie would have actually
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Speaker 1: walked there and they had never seen her that now,
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Speaker 1: Kay Batton, why do you say it's unlikely she would
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Speaker 1: have walked there? In talking to friends and family, Nannie
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Speaker 1: wasn't much of a walker, and she's in a very
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Speaker 1: suburban area, and it's a mile away just to get
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Speaker 1: to where the businesses begin, and it would have been
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Speaker 1: much easier, inconvenient and logical on a cold November morning
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Speaker 1: to take a car. Well, she brought up a really
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Speaker 1: good point, Michael Wheeland, it was the cold November morning.
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Speaker 1: Now the smoothie thing beliefs since then has been nailed down.
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Speaker 1: She did say that because I found out, Michael, you
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Speaker 1: got to ask the right question of witnesses. You can
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Speaker 1: go through many Q and A sessions and if you
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Speaker 1: didn't say, what was the last thing she said, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to get a smoothie. If you don't ask the
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Speaker 1: right question, you may not know that until you finally
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Speaker 1: think of the right question. So what do you make
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Speaker 1: of it being a Cole November morning, would she have walked?
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Speaker 1: And that is that's a major question because as she
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Speaker 1: was by foot, it opens up a whole plethora who
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Speaker 1: may have gotten her as opposed to meeting someone that
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Speaker 1: drove her somewhere. So what do you think, Michael Cole?
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Speaker 1: November morning, Yeah, cold November morning, right before Thanksgiving. I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine, you know, going out to try and get
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Speaker 1: a smoothie on foot. And from what I've heard speaking
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Speaker 1: to someone Nazi Mini's friends, it doesn't seem like you
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Speaker 1: was the type of person that would have willingly gone
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Speaker 1: on foot like that just wouldn't have been her scene.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't interested in, you know, going on long walks
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Speaker 1: to try and get a smoothie. So I just I
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Speaker 1: think that there was definitely first of all, who wants
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Speaker 1: a cold smoothie on a cold November day? But to
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Speaker 1: each her own, guys, this naughty Dotson just a beautiful girl,
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Speaker 1: just perfect teeth. I'm looking at her right now, long
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Speaker 1: raven haired, beauty, perfect teeth. Are you looking at her picturely?
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Speaker 1: I mean really really pretty? And also I'm looking at her,
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Speaker 1: it looks like she got the American flag behind her
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Speaker 1: and she looks as if she's in a military outfit.
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Speaker 1: Michael Wheellen. Yes, yeah, she was actually a first lieutenant
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Speaker 1: in the US Air Force. Okay, God, Drandy Arnold. In
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Speaker 1: my mind, that changes things. This woman is a no
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Speaker 1: nonsense person, and I find it hard to believe she's
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Speaker 1: gonna let somebody get it over on her. She's a
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Speaker 1: first lieutenant, right, And I think that she scored really
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Speaker 1: high on her entrance exam and she was she was
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Speaker 1: very driven. She had she had a really amazing plan
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Speaker 1: in her life. She I don't think she's just wandering
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Speaker 1: through life not knowing. I think she had plans for
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Speaker 1: her life, don't you, Nancy. Well, yeah, especially now that
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Speaker 1: I know she's in the military, She's not just wandering
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Speaker 1: from pillar to post. No, she's got a plan, yes,
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Speaker 1: And she's also got a plan to take care of herself,
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Speaker 1: it seems. And she was also a nurse. She knows
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Speaker 1: what she wants to do. You know what, who is
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Speaker 1: Nannie Dotson? Another place you've got to start your investigation.
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Speaker 1: Guys were trying to solve the case of Nan Dotson,
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous thirty three year old mom of one, a
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Speaker 1: sixteen month old little girl named Savannah. Who is she?
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Speaker 1: What do we know about her? And well that give
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Speaker 1: us any clues as to what may have happened to her?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Nanny In Dotson and her twin brother Bo grow up
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Speaker 1: alongside older brother Tony near Colorado Springs with their mother, Candice.
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Speaker 1: Candice is a single mom and a member of the
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Speaker 1: US Air Force. Naughty Dotson follows in her mother's footsteps.
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Speaker 1: She has commissioned into the US Air Force, ultimately stationed
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Speaker 1: at Lackland Air Force Base just outside of San Antonio,
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Speaker 1: Texas as a first Lieutenant. Dotson is assigned to the
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Speaker 1: fifty ninth Medical Wing as an intensive care nurse at
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Speaker 1: Wilford Hall Medical Center. Intensive Care Nurse. She's no slacker.
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Speaker 1: I really can't put my finger on it. James shell Nutt,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro, a major case swat detective now lawyer.
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Speaker 1: When I say she's no slacker, I'm not just twiddling
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Speaker 1: my thumbs making a comment. So many crimes I prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: Shell Nutt. I would go to the scene and everybody's
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Speaker 1: just sitting around the house in the middle of the
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Speaker 1: day doing nothing. The old adage little Hands or the
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Speaker 1: Devil's Workshop. That's true. This woman was no slacker. She's
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Speaker 1: an intensive care nurse. She's a first lieutenant to the
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Speaker 1: fifty ninth Medical Wing, and she's raising a child, a
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Speaker 1: little girl, all on her own. That changes the nature
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Speaker 1: of the case. I agree with you one hundred. You
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Speaker 1: know this lady as a military term squared away. You
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Speaker 1: know she has got her act together. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think one thing that's very important here is to
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Speaker 1: take a look at the overall picture. You know, you
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Speaker 1: look here at the term totality of the circumstances. A
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Speaker 1: lot of times in the investigation. Yeah, I used to
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Speaker 1: hear lawyers say that, so but go ahead, but you
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Speaker 1: know you have to consider that too. You have to
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Speaker 1: go so that to his investigator getting the big picture.
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Speaker 1: And here we have. We've got the squared away military
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Speaker 1: nurse and tensive care nurse. You fall, smart with kids, smart,
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Speaker 1: beautiful lady. H And is she really going to go
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Speaker 1: get this smoothie on this cold day walking in an
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Speaker 1: area that she's unfamiliar with. I don't know, just it
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Speaker 1: does fit, it doesn't fit the scenario. Yeah, you're right,
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Speaker 1: Michael Willing. Did she have a car with her. She
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Speaker 1: did not. She had been borrowing her brother's car on
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Speaker 1: and off that weekend. But yeah, she did not have
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Speaker 1: a car of her own in that area, Michael. She
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Speaker 1: only supposed to be there for the weekend. Yeah, she
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Speaker 1: was visiting her brother. She was actually stationed at Blackman's
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Speaker 1: Air Force in San Antonio, So she was just visiting
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Speaker 1: her brother forlorn Thanksgiving basically, like a section of that
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Speaker 1: one another thing, Doctor Angela Arnold, you may be able
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Speaker 1: to articulate better than I can, but I find it
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Speaker 1: very difficult to believe that she goes home to her
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Speaker 1: one of her childhood homes and she wants to make
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Speaker 1: a hook up over one weekend and leave her daughter
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Speaker 1: to do it. It just doesn't agree with you. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't fit her. It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit what
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Speaker 1: we're describing about her, does it? No? Hey, what more
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Speaker 1: do we know about Nannie Dotson? Listen? Nannie Dotson, like
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Speaker 1: her mother, is a single mom. While living in San Antonio,
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Speaker 1: she decides to take country downing lessons at a local
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Speaker 1: dance club, where she meets Edward Vela, twenty years her senior.
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Speaker 1: The pair data and Dotson becomes pregnant, the relationship did
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Speaker 1: not continue. In fact, Vela wanted nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: the pregnancy. Dotson gives birth to her one and only child,
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Speaker 1: a daughter named Savannah, in two thousand and five. She
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Speaker 1: seemingly leaves behind her sixteen month old daughter. The father
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Speaker 1: reportedly did not want her to have the child before
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Speaker 1: she disappeared, and Nannie had gone and gotten child's support
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Speaker 1: for that child. Had to chase down the dad to
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Speaker 1: get child's support. Got a look at the bio dad,
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Speaker 1: but so far he has been ruled out. Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. So where do you go? I want
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Speaker 1: you to take it to Arnie friend Michael Wheeling. In
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Speaker 1: an effort to determine where Nannie Dotson was, investigators would
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Speaker 1: begin to look through all facets of her life. They
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Speaker 1: would learn about a woman that was well liked by
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Speaker 1: her colleagues, who was a hard working single mother that
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Speaker 1: enjoyed country music, who did not do any drugs, easily
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Speaker 1: proven by the constant screenings required by the military, and
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Speaker 1: only drank socially when she went out to the various
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Speaker 1: country and western bars she frequented in Colorado and Texas.
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Speaker 1: They would also learn that Nannie had been heartbroken after
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Speaker 1: her breakup with Edward Veil, the father of her daughter,
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Speaker 1: and had held off on dating anyone until just recently.
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Speaker 1: Investigators would learn that Nannie had been active on dating website,
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Speaker 1: including one website in particular called single parents meat dot com.
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Speaker 1: She had logged onto that website at least twice prior
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Speaker 1: to her disappearance, once at around two thirty am on
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Speaker 1: the morning of November nineteenth, the date of her disappearance,
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Speaker 1: and then again about eleven hours later at one pm.
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Speaker 1: The latter was roughly one were prior to when she
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Speaker 1: left her brother Tony's home, and would indicate to some
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Speaker 1: that she might have arranged to meet up with someone
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Speaker 1: that afternoon. Well, let's get it straight from the horse's
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Speaker 1: mouth with me. Michael Wheeling. He's podcast the podcaster creator
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Speaker 1: of Unresolved, and you can find that at Unresolved dot
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Speaker 1: m E. Michael Wheeling, I know that you said that
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Speaker 1: Detective C she had logged on to this website at
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Speaker 1: one thirty am. That means not a lot to me,
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Speaker 1: because last night I was looking up a murder case
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Speaker 1: at one thirty am. That doesn't mean I committed the murder.
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Speaker 1: But if you look at her movements online. Why she
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Speaker 1: planning to meet someone. She very well could have been.
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Speaker 1: Something that you haven't been really touched on yet was
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Speaker 1: the fact that she wasn't the military, but she was
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Speaker 1: getting ready to leave the military in a few months.
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Speaker 1: So it seemed like she might have been, you know,
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Speaker 1: trying to establish from feelers in the area around Denver
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Speaker 1: on a dating app. Do you might have Yeah, she
21:09
Speaker 1: was showing interest and moving back to the area, and
21:12
Speaker 1: it seems like you might have been trying to, you know,
21:14
Speaker 1: on this opportunity, you know, this week visiting the areas.
21:17
Speaker 1: You might have been trying to find a love connection
21:20
Speaker 1: or something like that. You know a lot of people
21:23
Speaker 1: to Dan Coorsantino, we hear about these tragedies that happen
21:28
Speaker 1: when you meet up with somebody online. In fact, I
21:30
Speaker 1: write about it extensively in my knee book, Don't Be
21:34
Speaker 1: a Victim PS. All the money goes to National Center
21:37
Speaker 1: Missing Exploited Children. So feel free to go on to
21:40
Speaker 1: Amazon and buy one. Dan, I'm not just talking about
21:44
Speaker 1: dating online. I'm talking about when you go to those marketplaces,
21:48
Speaker 1: when you go to Craigslist to buy and sell things
21:51
Speaker 1: or dating apps. It's very very dangerous, and I can't
21:55
Speaker 1: emphasize that enough. On the other hand, Dan Charsantina, for instance,
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Speaker 1: my nephew, super smart, double major biology and it is
22:06
Speaker 1: an IT wizard now at a big company, meets a
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Speaker 1: lady online and they got married. They're still married now,
22:14
Speaker 1: I guess five years later, have a little baby boy,
22:17
Speaker 1: perfectly happy. So you know, don't knock it until you
22:21
Speaker 1: try it. But it opens up a whole plethora of
22:27
Speaker 1: possibilities in this case, well absolutely this case. In regards
22:32
Speaker 1: to Nannie, there's an unknown factor when she's online. She
22:37
Speaker 1: unless she gets a full name and she gets more information,
22:41
Speaker 1: she can do some checking herself. She could, even if
22:44
Speaker 1: she had the background, put a request in through the
22:49
Speaker 1: Carl Burrow investigation to get for five dollars and some
22:53
Speaker 1: background information. As we said before, she was very detailed,
22:57
Speaker 1: very professional. I don't think she went to that length
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Speaker 1: to do it. I think, as was stated earlier, she
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Speaker 1: was searching, trying to find a friend or friends in
23:08
Speaker 1: the area. And it's kind of interesting in this case
23:12
Speaker 1: that we didn't get feedback from anybody from that dating
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Speaker 1: site that I'm aware of. There was in the law
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Speaker 1: enforcement investigation, even though they reached out and they traced
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Speaker 1: her steps. There was no one that emerged as a
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Speaker 1: suspect from this dating site, and the focus then shifted
23:32
Speaker 1: to other individuals. Guys, I want you to take a
23:35
Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirteen listen. Authorities would attempt to
23:40
Speaker 1: track Natie's movement through her cell phone activity, learning that
23:44
Speaker 1: she had made a call at around eleven am on
23:46
Speaker 1: the date of her disappearance. Police have never revealed who
23:49
Speaker 1: this call was made too, but that her cellphone would
23:52
Speaker 1: show signs of movement afterward. The date after Nannie's disappearance,
23:56
Speaker 1: November twentieth, two thousand and six, herself would ping in
24:00
Speaker 1: the area of southwest Littleton, near Ken Carroll Ranch, about
24:04
Speaker 1: twenty miles southwest of Denver. This was incredibly close to
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Speaker 1: Tony's home, not too far away from the Highway STEA
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Speaker 1: for seventy, and was within proximity of the shopping center
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Speaker 1: that Nannie was last known to be headed to. Police
24:17
Speaker 1: would bring out canine units to search the area using
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Speaker 1: some of Nannie's clothing left behind at Tony's home, and
24:23
Speaker 1: we're able to pick up her sense throughout the area. However,
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Speaker 1: they would ultimately be unable to find any trace of
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Speaker 1: Nannie nor her cell phone. You're hearing the voice of
24:32
Speaker 1: our new friend Michael Whelan, host of Unresolved, which is
24:36
Speaker 1: an incredible podcast. So, Michael Wheeland, that's the third thing
24:41
Speaker 1: I would day beside go into the scene speaking of
24:45
Speaker 1: the same Michael, do we know if the same was
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Speaker 1: processed for clue such as blood spatter, pool of blood,
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Speaker 1: blood dropping, bud transfer, disarray. Were her items still there?
24:58
Speaker 1: Things that she owned? What became of her wallet? What
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Speaker 1: became of her ID? What do we know about that?
25:04
Speaker 1: Did she take her cell phone with her? Yes, she
25:06
Speaker 1: had her cell phone with her, and she had taken
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Speaker 1: her purse which contained like her wallets and her ID
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Speaker 1: cards and stuff like that. And police were able to
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Speaker 1: track down kind of where the signal from her cell
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Speaker 1: phone had gone to, and they were able to trace
25:19
Speaker 1: it down to this really like finite area. It was
25:21
Speaker 1: a roughly thirty feet in like a three to four
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Speaker 1: acre field, which was nearby the shopping center where you know,
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Speaker 1: the smoothie place supposedly was right tell me that again
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Speaker 1: they had traced they had traced her cell phone to
25:35
Speaker 1: this roughly thirty foot area in a three to four
25:37
Speaker 1: acre field, which was right by the shopping center that
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Speaker 1: she had been supposedly headed to. And so today that
25:44
Speaker 1: answers a lot of questions and what can you tell me,
25:48
Speaker 1: Michael wheel And about what happened and the night before
25:51
Speaker 1: she goes missing. So the night before she went missing,
25:54
Speaker 1: she had actually borrowed her brother's car and she had
25:56
Speaker 1: gone out to this like a country as Rose Grizzly Rose. Yep,
26:01
Speaker 1: she had gone there, and she had been you know,
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Speaker 1: apparently meeting up with some friends and going line dancing
26:06
Speaker 1: and whatever else people do there. But uh, it seems
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Speaker 1: like she had had a good time. I don't know,
26:11
Speaker 1: but I've been tall they have fun me too. But yeah,
26:16
Speaker 1: when she was there, she supposedly had a kind of
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Speaker 1: a strange encounter with two men that were kind of
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Speaker 1: harassing her, you know, given her a hard time, and
26:26
Speaker 1: her brother Tony was later report but some guy called
26:29
Speaker 1: and he had apparently tried to protect her and he
26:32
Speaker 1: wanted to take her out for breakfast the following morning,
26:35
Speaker 1: but she wasn't at the house at the time. M
26:39
Speaker 1: So he had her home phone number. Well, to me,
26:42
Speaker 1: just it's just the hard evidence that we have. James
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Speaker 1: Shellnutt she says, I'm going to the shopping mall for
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Speaker 1: a smoothie. Her cell phone is found in a field
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Speaker 1: near the shopping mall. Well two and two equals four.
26:58
Speaker 1: Although they didn't teach me in law school, that tells
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Speaker 1: me she did take off to walk to the smoothie shop,
27:06
Speaker 1: assuming it was in the shopping mall, and she was accosted. Yeah,
27:10
Speaker 1: and she was obviously transported from the scene. Um. She
27:14
Speaker 1: or either involuntarily or voluntarily got into some type of
27:18
Speaker 1: vehicle with someone. Um. And and that tells me that
27:24
Speaker 1: if they didn't find any evidence of a crime scene
27:26
Speaker 1: other than uh, you know, being able to trace her
27:29
Speaker 1: back there to this field, then she was taken from there, uh,
27:34
Speaker 1: either voluntarily involuntarily. And they need to be looking for
27:38
Speaker 1: the location that she was taken too. And that's that's
27:41
Speaker 1: going to provide some valuable clues in this case. And
27:43
Speaker 1: Dan Corsentino, we may be running down a rabbit hole
27:46
Speaker 1: on the whole dating app because they have her. They've
27:50
Speaker 1: got her cell phone, right, Michael h No, they never
27:53
Speaker 1: recovered her cell phone. Pa, that's right. But Dan Corsentino,
27:59
Speaker 1: can't you with a subpoena get the last text, the
28:04
Speaker 1: last phone calls, last emails from someone's cell phone. Absolutely yeah,
28:10
Speaker 1: it's a criminal case. And so the law enforcement agency
28:14
Speaker 1: in this case of Jefferson County Sheriff's Office can issue
28:18
Speaker 1: the subpoenas and they can get recovered the text messages,
28:22
Speaker 1: a history of all her inbound calls and all of
28:25
Speaker 1: her outbound calls as well as text messages. So there's
28:29
Speaker 1: a historical document to do that. I believe. One thing
28:33
Speaker 1: that's really interesting in this story is that Tony the
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Speaker 1: brother is the one telling the story. He's the one
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Speaker 1: providing so much information. And I know later on we'll
28:45
Speaker 1: learn about his history. Yes, he does have a history.
28:59
Speaker 1: Crime story with Nancy Grace. Guys, you have to look
29:05
Speaker 1: at allegations that she went missing voluntarily. Do I believe that,
29:11
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. She had never left her sixteen month old
29:15
Speaker 1: little girl, Savannah alone, ever. But take a listen to
29:19
Speaker 1: anchor Corey Rose nineties. KUSA investigators typically look to see
29:23
Speaker 1: if someone had a reason to go missing. In Nannie's case,
29:27
Speaker 1: that was eliminated fairly quickly. She was a single parent
29:30
Speaker 1: to a sixteen month old daughter named Savannah. Nannie was
29:33
Speaker 1: also three months away from being discharged from the Air
29:35
Speaker 1: Force and was getting ready to move back to Colorado.
29:38
Speaker 1: I know absolutely she would have not walked off. I
29:45
Speaker 1: know that to myselful. Something happened to her. Just after
29:49
Speaker 1: Nannie disappeared, police did get a pin from her cell
29:52
Speaker 1: phone in an area not too far from the area.
29:55
Speaker 1: Dogs trace her scent there, but both ended up dead ends.
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Speaker 1: Investigators believe she was taken against her will, but Detective
30:05
Speaker 1: Alberti says at this point it would take someone stepping
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Speaker 1: forward with information to solve the case. It's going to
30:10
Speaker 1: take that person to come forward after all these years,
30:12
Speaker 1: to say this is what I think happened, or this
30:17
Speaker 1: is what I know happened, and uh, you know, in
30:20
Speaker 1: these kind of cases, it just takes something really small.
30:22
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to more from our friend Corey
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Speaker 1: Rose nine years KUSA TV. It took me six years
30:29
Speaker 1: for me not to think about her every single day,
30:32
Speaker 1: for me not to cry about night. It took me
30:36
Speaker 1: six years. It's been more than a decade since Candas
30:39
Speaker 1: Doyle saw her daughter affects your heart and never Nanni
30:52
Speaker 1: was visiting from San Antonio, staying at her brother Tony
30:55
Speaker 1: Dawson's house in Littleton. He was the last to see
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Speaker 1: her on that November day, Jessica, that's bringing up an
31:01
Speaker 1: incredibly important issue. The last one to see her is
31:07
Speaker 1: the brother. Now, I believe it was Dan Corcentino who stated,
31:11
Speaker 1: we will learn more about the brother. You know what,
31:15
Speaker 1: let's go straight out to Michael Wheelan, the podcaster and
31:18
Speaker 1: creator of Unresolved, and you can find it at Unresolved.
31:22
Speaker 1: Dot me, what can you tell me about Tony Dotson?
31:28
Speaker 1: That's a there's a lot one pack there. But Tony
31:31
Speaker 1: Dotson was Nanny's brother. It seemed like they were pretty
31:33
Speaker 1: course growing up, and as we'll touch on, he ended
31:38
Speaker 1: up getting in some legal trouble later on. I guess
31:41
Speaker 1: that's one way to put it. Yeah, but he was
31:46
Speaker 1: not a good guy. He was a guy that a
31:48
Speaker 1: few years after Nannie disappeared, he got in trouble for
31:51
Speaker 1: some violent behavior. That was just standaging a burglary and
31:54
Speaker 1: raping a friend of his fiancee at knife point, trying
31:59
Speaker 1: to curve fake favor with two separate gangs members by
32:04
Speaker 1: buying them canteen items so they would carry out a
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Speaker 1: murder for higher scheme. I would call that more than
32:10
Speaker 1: just a brush with the law unless I've got the wrong.
32:14
Speaker 1: Tony Dotson age forty one, does this ringing a veil? Yep,
32:20
Speaker 1: that's the right's gone back. Yeah, so this is the
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Speaker 1: last guy she's with. Yeah, you would assume, you would
32:29
Speaker 1: hope that him being her brother, you know, he might
32:32
Speaker 1: have felt some he might have felt protective of her
32:34
Speaker 1: in some way, but you know, we can't trust them
32:36
Speaker 1: to protect anyone. It seems like he was just an
32:39
Speaker 1: overall bad guy that was able to hide it for
32:41
Speaker 1: a release. Michael, when you don't know a horse. Look
32:45
Speaker 1: at the track record, right, tell me about the scene.
32:49
Speaker 1: Are you sure they processed his home? I honestly I
32:53
Speaker 1: would hope so, but there's no guarantee on that. But
32:57
Speaker 1: here's somebody jumping invest and is it Dan or James
33:01
Speaker 1: jumping in? Is that you Dan? Yeah? It was me.
33:04
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't Well, I just want to share
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Speaker 1: with you that this guy was a criminal, and there's
33:10
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. The mindset that he had from
33:14
Speaker 1: my perspective in law enforcement. And there's another factor. He
33:19
Speaker 1: had a partner that he was in business with the
33:22
Speaker 1: mysteriously died and he inherited from everything that I can
33:26
Speaker 1: see then the life insurance policy of about three hundred
33:29
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and they thought that there was a link
33:34
Speaker 1: between he in that case and his female partner when
33:39
Speaker 1: she passed away. So we don't just have one potential
33:42
Speaker 1: victim here with a crime that he was charged with.
33:46
Speaker 1: We have a second where he was a suspect in.
33:50
Speaker 1: So there's a starting to be a pattern of behavior
33:52
Speaker 1: in this with this individual. Now, jump in, James, you
33:59
Speaker 1: know what is this is even if they have not
34:01
Speaker 1: processed that crime scene, even if it's ten years later,
34:06
Speaker 1: it is still not too late to process the crime scene.
34:10
Speaker 1: It is still not too late to serve a search
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Speaker 1: warrant on this property. Not to be gruesome, but fluids, bloods,
34:18
Speaker 1: things of that nature. It is very hard to get
34:20
Speaker 1: every bit of it. It is very hard to get
34:23
Speaker 1: all evidence out of a crime scene. And if that's
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Speaker 1: not been done, and I didn't know that until that
34:27
Speaker 1: was said a minute ago, if that's not been done,
34:30
Speaker 1: that needs to be on the front burner is processing
34:33
Speaker 1: this location, getting a search warrant and finding out whether
34:37
Speaker 1: or not there's physical evidence of a crime after location
34:40
Speaker 1: she was last seen. And one of the reasons Jane
34:42
Speaker 1: shell Nut that there may still very well be evidence
34:46
Speaker 1: such as blood evidence is because when you come in
34:50
Speaker 1: a felon, let's say, a violent crime, and there's blood spatterer,
34:55
Speaker 1: you can't see it with the naked eye because there
34:58
Speaker 1: are droplets so far, I'm talking about the top of
35:03
Speaker 1: the pinhead. How are you going to see that if
35:06
Speaker 1: it's down like where the carpet meets the wall, you're not.
35:10
Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right, Michael Wheelan. I'd be very interested
35:14
Speaker 1: to know if a follow up search warrant has been
35:17
Speaker 1: executed at this home. And another curious let me say
35:22
Speaker 1: that's ephimistic putting perfume on the pig. We know that
35:26
Speaker 1: this a brother while he's behind bars, tried to solicit
35:29
Speaker 1: gang members from multiple gangs, the Eight Trade Gangster Crips,
35:33
Speaker 1: the Gallant Knights, Insane, and the two eleven. He tried
35:37
Speaker 1: to get members of all those gangs to commit a murder.
35:42
Speaker 1: Who did he want to kill? Michael Wheeling? Yeah, so
35:45
Speaker 1: he was targeting the victim of a violent sexual assault.
35:49
Speaker 1: It was it's yeah, his Beyonce's best friend basically that
35:55
Speaker 1: he had been painting for secretly and then broke into
35:58
Speaker 1: her house raper and then after committing the famous crime,
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Speaker 1: and he was behind bars. He tried to solicit a
36:04
Speaker 1: hint basically on her. And this is the guy that says, oh,
36:10
Speaker 1: I didn't see her, but I heard her slam the
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Speaker 1: door and she went. She says she was going to
36:13
Speaker 1: get a smoothie. That's that's the origin of my timeline. Yeah,
36:18
Speaker 1: I just he's not a reliable witness in any way,
36:22
Speaker 1: now that we know his true nature. It's it's just shocking.
36:25
Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been an argument over anything,
36:29
Speaker 1: over money, over these things can run deep. Who knows
36:36
Speaker 1: what they may have argued about. Guys, if you know anything,
36:42
Speaker 1: or thank you know anything? The tipline three zero three
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Speaker 1: two seven one five six one two Michael Wheelan, what
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Speaker 1: do you think? Um? I mean, for me, it's hard
36:52
Speaker 1: to overlook the criminal behavior of Tony Dawson. It's just
36:56
Speaker 1: he was, you know, the last person at the scene.
36:58
Speaker 1: He was the last person to see her. He was
37:01
Speaker 1: basically the one of the only witnesses for the investigation.
37:05
Speaker 1: And he was also the person kind of leaving the
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Speaker 1: search for nodding, the one trying to raise awareness for her.
37:13
Speaker 1: It's hard to overlook him, as you know, just this
37:16
Speaker 1: glaring spotlight for me personally, I would start there as
37:23
Speaker 1: in any investigation, but you know I would have to
37:27
Speaker 1: defer to you guys. I'm not sure what you guys
37:29
Speaker 1: think about it, Okay, Jampan, doctor Angela Arnold. As I
37:33
Speaker 1: always say, when you don't know a horse, look at
37:36
Speaker 1: his track record. Yeah, and you know, remember what I
37:40
Speaker 1: said one time, If it quacks like a duck, it
37:44
Speaker 1: may very well be a duck. Nancy, This is all.
37:47
Speaker 1: It just seems so obvious to me. He is such
37:51
Speaker 1: a bad human being, and he just waves goodbye to
37:55
Speaker 1: her or yells goodbye to her. She didn't even kiss
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Speaker 1: her little girl before she went to get a smoothie
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Speaker 1: on a cold morning in November. Let me remind everybody
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Speaker 1: Tony Dotson has not been named a suspect or POY
38:09
Speaker 1: person of interest. Dotson repeat, not a suspect tipline three
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Speaker 1: zero three two seven one five six one two. This
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Speaker 1: child has lived her life so far without a mother.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,