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Patriots Unfiltered 1/2: Bills Preview, Practice Report, NFL Week 18 Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: Would you, if you're the Jets offer Garrett Wilson and
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  Speaker 5: Quinnin Williams and a third round pick, you don't give
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  Speaker 5: up a first for the Patriots First, You're not giving
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  Speaker 5: up your first round.
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  Speaker 1: Picky, But I'm giving up to my best players, right,
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  Speaker 1: But they're better than first round, especially Wilson. Now, who's young.
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  Speaker 5: I knew you were going to do that, So think.
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  Speaker 1: About it, though, Why are the Patriots doing this?
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  Speaker 5: Hold on, so ah, so hold on? Now?
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  Speaker 6: You would consider not picking in the first round this year?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, because listen, hear me out, hear me out. I'll
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  Speaker 5: hear you out. I'm getting surefire first round.
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  Speaker 6: Players that neither one play left tackle.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, listen, listen to me. I'm listening to I'm getting
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  Speaker 5: see I would consider it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 5: So see, I think to me, in what I've seen
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  Speaker 5: of him, and I haven't crushed it like you have.
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  Speaker 5: Wants to know if Deuce is wearing skinny jeans, nouy
• 1:58
  Speaker 5: wearing skinny jeans. I remember when you bought denim jeans
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  Speaker 5: from Levi's. It took like a month before they were
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  Speaker 5: worked in. Right now, they come already broken in there,
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  Speaker 5: they already got a hole. It's it's not great and
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  Speaker 5: they've given.
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  Speaker 5: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 5: at Jillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: Happy New Year.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody getting ready for this final game against the Buffalo Bills.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to be an interesting one for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of different reasons, and we're going to get into all
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  Speaker 5: of that. I hope everyone had a good New Year's
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  Speaker 5: Alex Paul, I'm hoping it's a good New Year yeah, Douce,
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  Speaker 5: we'll be here. Evan'll be by later and we'll get
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  Speaker 5: into all that. We gotta hurry because we got to
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  Speaker 5: do picks today. It's a big day. So did we
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  Speaker 5: watch the games yesterday? Two games?
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  Speaker 1: I did. Unfortunately, you know, for more serious reasons, we
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to have all three. But yeah, the first
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  Speaker 1: game I thought was wildly entertaining. The first and only
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  Speaker 1: one of the playoffs that that I would say fit
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  Speaker 1: net that was to State Texas. Game was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't care if he's going to be the
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  Speaker 5: equipment manager, but I want this Scibedo guy on my team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I declared him a back of the envelope.
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  Speaker 5: Oh I know, yeah, I know. He's not your type
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  Speaker 5: of player.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he's a great player, great college.
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  Speaker 5: I thought you wouldn't like him.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to too hard, No, he's just he's talented,
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  Speaker 1: like he just kind of was constantly overlooked. But he's
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's not Lad McConkey. No, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's a first round pick, but I
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  Speaker 5: want him on my team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 5: He's one of my Circle the Wagon guys.
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  Speaker 1: Alex is laughing because she knows I have new ins
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  Speaker 1: and outs, and I'm gonna try to see if i
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  Speaker 1: can go at least one day with my new So.
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  Speaker 7: You being out on guys that try too hard, it
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  Speaker 7: is kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of funny, Well, Paul don't like to try hard, Paul.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't thank you for understanding. Fred sort of makes
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  Speaker 1: it out to be yes, like, if you try, Paul
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like you.
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  Speaker 5: That's you know, if you get if you get there
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  Speaker 5: based on your hustle, he doesn't like you, you know.
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  Speaker 5: He likes guys with talent.
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  Speaker 1: A run through the wall guy who can't play. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I leave those for other teams.
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  Speaker 7: So that old saying, what is it talent that doesn't
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  Speaker 7: work hard isn't as good as hard work? Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: That he doesn't believe in that.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, Now, ideally you have guys like Tom Brady
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  Speaker 1: who are very talented and work extremely hard, Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't not want Tom Brady on my team because he
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  Speaker 1: works so hard. He's a try hard like, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of the way that Fred sort of.
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  Speaker 5: Explained, Well, Paul liked Tom better when he wasn't getting
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  Speaker 5: the employee parking space.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I did. I mean because because we never criticized
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  Speaker 1: him for no longer caring about there.
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  Speaker 5: Andy's the program Andy, and he said he was washed anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But Stataboo's performance in that game yesterday was was unreal.
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  Speaker 5: It was I really enjoyed watching that the night before
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  Speaker 5: Ashton Genty. I have to admit it's the first time
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  Speaker 5: I really had an extended.
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  Speaker 1: Look and same with me.
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  Speaker 5: I think. I think what it showed is when you
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  Speaker 5: go against these Big ten teams or SE team the
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  Speaker 5: better Big ten or SEC teams, the line play is
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  Speaker 5: what makes the difference between these games. And certainly he
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  Speaker 5: ran into a brick wall still at over one hundred yards.
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  Speaker 5: But you notice his helmet's different than everybody else's.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't notice. I was still more of.
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  Speaker 5: A motorcycle helmet, so we still got a grill, but
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  Speaker 5: he's got the piece in the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: Okay as well, I didn't notice that. It's almost watching that.
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  Speaker 5: It's almost like a race car driver helmet.
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  Speaker 7: That's kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've never.
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  Speaker 5: Seen that before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I but that's good. He's good. He's
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  Speaker 1: a good player, and that game was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more predictable, and I actually thought it was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit closer than the score indicated it was. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Boyiser gets that touchdown call back, They missed a couple
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  Speaker 1: of field goals. I thought they kind of got in
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  Speaker 1: their own way a little too much.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, let's first praise Jesus their coach.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is that what James Franklin s every No?
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  Speaker 5: No, no, that's Penn State's coach, James Franklin. No Boise
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  Speaker 5: States coach before every interview. Please?
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, all wait, the Boise State coach A sorry,
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  Speaker 1: is Jesus guy?
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  Speaker 5: Oh before every every statement? Yeah, but that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Teach his own all right.
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  Speaker 5: So let's get back to the Patriots coordinators talk today.
• 6:41
  Speaker 5: Uh Girod talked yesterday, is starting, turning to the head
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  Speaker 5: coach of the offense, Drake may is definitely starting well.
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  Speaker 1: Mayo said yesterday that if he's healthy, he will play right,
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  Speaker 1: and but Van Pelt made it unequivocably clear, well, but
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  Speaker 1: if he's not healthy, he's not gonna be But he
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  Speaker 1: didn't even add that cavea no, but he's going to
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  Speaker 1: play right. I'm trying, Alex, I'm really trying to hold
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  Speaker 1: up out out on my petty arguments with Fred so.
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  Speaker 5: Up until I heard Van Pelt today, because of the
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  Speaker 5: injury to the finger on the playing hand, I thought
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  Speaker 5: there was a possibility he may not. But today Van
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  Speaker 5: Pelt made it clear he's he's definitely starting.
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  Speaker 1: But the information that has changed is that he said
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  Speaker 1: he looked rate and practice yesterday. So with whatever ailments
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  Speaker 1: they put up on he you know, I think Van
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  Speaker 1: Pelt is telling you I had no bearing on his
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  Speaker 1: purpose and that what I just said.
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  Speaker 5: Now that I've heard van Pelt, I said he's starting.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys usually do say the same thing and
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  Speaker 7: argue by it.
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  Speaker 1: I actually thought Mayo said he was starting yesterday too.
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  Speaker 1: But if that he's.
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  Speaker 5: Healthy, right, But we didn't know that until today.
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was healthy. Okay, you did, I didn't.
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  Speaker 7: I thought Mayo left a little bit absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he well, thank you. I'm gonna I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to save it for off air because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to get myself in trouble. But I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: Mayo had I think Mayo's you know what, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say it anyway. I think I think I think
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  Speaker 1: Mayo said what he said as a little out in
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  Speaker 1: case someone said to him no no, no, no, he's not
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  Speaker 1: playing like I think the head coach had every intention
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  Speaker 1: starting Drake May, and the offensive coordinator has every intention
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  Speaker 1: of starting Drake May. And the out that was left
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  Speaker 1: yesterday was just in case someone said, could be.
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  Speaker 6: The one we really we really need to play.
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  Speaker 1: Drake could be, you know, so you know, as long
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  Speaker 1: as he gets through the like you didn't say that
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  Speaker 1: every other week, as long as he makes it through
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  Speaker 1: the week. So so that was my take.
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  Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of debate on all the
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  Speaker 5: shows about to win or not to win, to play
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  Speaker 5: to win, to not play to win. I think there's
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  Speaker 5: no doubt whoever's out there, you're playing to win, right,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't care if Joe Milton is the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback you're playing. You're playing to win the game. There's
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  Speaker 5: no like telling guys, oh, don't play at one hundred,
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  Speaker 5: but no, you're playing to win.
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  Speaker 1: The question is who's playing. Do you think that May
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  Speaker 1: should play?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think that I would play Milton, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and not because I'm hooked, not because I want to lose,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't think there's anything to gain at this
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  Speaker 5: point with with May out there.
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  Speaker 1: I think there is.
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  Speaker 7: Something to gain by, especially Buffalo backups.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, putting Milton. Put Milton out there. Let's see how
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  Speaker 5: he does in a game.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have a backup here? You know, because right
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  Speaker 1: now we don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know for example. So I think
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  Speaker 5: there is something to gain by putting Milton out there. Plus,
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  Speaker 5: you're giving an atta boy to a guy who you
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  Speaker 5: said all season has been a great teammate, great practice player,
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  Speaker 5: great on the scout team, you know, playing the opposing quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: So give him a bone, give.
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  Speaker 1: Them a game.
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  Speaker 5: So I think there is something to be gained there,
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  Speaker 5: whereas I think there's not much to be gained.
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  Speaker 7: Right, and there's a lot to lose too, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that goes without saying you're right, But I
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  Speaker 5: didn't want to bring that into it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, don't put that bad energy out into the world.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So, and this is we talked about this on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not something that I know that like, Evan
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  Speaker 1: is kind of strong, he doesn't think he should play.
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  Speaker 1: I am. This is a rare one for me where
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: I don't feel hotly strong about any of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if they play him, I'll be happy to watch him play.
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  Speaker 1: And if they don't, I'll understand why they didn't play him, right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really I'm not dying on the hill on this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not dying on the hill on this one perfectly play.
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  Speaker 1: I do find it a little bit odd though, like
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  Speaker 1: there's not much to be gained for Drake May, which
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  Speaker 1: I kind of agree with, because you're gonna be playing
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  Speaker 1: I think, a glorified preseason game against backups and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit more than a preseason game because
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  Speaker 1: they are actual NFL players in the preseason. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys.
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  Speaker 5: He's in fifty fifty four to one hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got to play some players because not
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  Speaker 1: every no one has enough players to just sit all
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  Speaker 1: the starters. So you know, there's you know, I agree
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  Speaker 1: there's little to be gained for Drake May. But if
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  Speaker 1: that's the case, then isn't that the same for Joe
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  Speaker 1: Milton the whole find out if he can be your
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  Speaker 1: backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: No, but how he runs the game, how he gets
• 11:06
  Speaker 5: in and out of the huddle, how he looks at things.
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  Speaker 5: You know, like, if he looks terrible, then we've learned something,
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 1: But if he doesn't look terrible. What have you learned
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  Speaker 1: if you can't learn anything about Drake he can do
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  Speaker 1: it at that level.
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  Speaker 5: If he can't do it at that well, we.
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  Speaker 1: Saw him play in the preseason game, so good, but
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: his performance wasn't good. But getting in and out of
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  Speaker 1: the huddle wasn't it.
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  Speaker 5: But but but let's see if it's performance has improved
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  Speaker 5: since then.
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  Speaker 7: And it's a full season that's gone on since the preseason.
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  Speaker 7: So to judge him based only on what you saw
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  Speaker 7: in a preseason game when he's never taken a regular
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  Speaker 7: season see exactly, it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different I think much much of a U
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  Speaker 1: season snap's you know.
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  Speaker 5: I you know, he's now gone through a season of
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  Speaker 5: NFL practices. What has he learned about the offense? What
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: has he learned about Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So I think there's you know, I mean I get
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  Speaker 1: all that. I think you guys are right, I mean,
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: you can you can play that play Joe Milton again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to die on the hill. I just
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: I would say, I think it's kind of odd that
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: you're singling out one guy and saying no, no, no, we're
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: not going to play you. Your too valuable. We don't
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  Speaker 1: want you.
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: It might be others, but he's the main guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like sends a bad message, like why is he special?
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: I hear that, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I was just reading just before the show two thousand
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  Speaker 5: and seven when the Patriots in Week sixteen played the
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  Speaker 5: Giants and it was a meaningless game in terms of
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  Speaker 5: standing in everything from both teams, but Coughlin, uh, you
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  Speaker 5: know made the not Coughlin said, you know, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to play.
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  Speaker 1: To win and see a little different.
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  Speaker 5: Well it is.
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  Speaker 1: But afterwards I had this conversation with Mike.
• 12:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, after the game, John Madden sent Coughlin a letter
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: and thanked him for approaching this game the only way
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: he thought you should approach it.
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  Speaker 1: But I would argue that if the if the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: were you know, twelve and three heading into that game,
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  Speaker 1: Coughlin wouldn't have done what he did.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, because I The other thing that
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  Speaker 5: I remember from back then is, you know, uh, the
• 13:03
  Speaker 5: Patriots had beaten them early. Not no, I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 5: something else, but they the Giants had not played well
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  Speaker 5: in that season and they started to turn it on.
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  Speaker 5: And I think for Coughlin, he needed to get his
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  Speaker 5: team ready and what better way to do that to
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: go up against the team that was going for an
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  Speaker 5: undefeated season. So I think there was a lot to
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  Speaker 5: gain for the Giants by playing well and perhaps winning
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  Speaker 5: that game going into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things that that's the
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  Speaker 1: way it's You cannot possibly argue that that it didn't
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  Speaker 1: benefit the Giants greatly, But it's one of those deals
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: that I think the result ended up being that. But
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily sure that's why it happened, do you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. There's probably it's probably some kind
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: of a principle that that has a name for that,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like all those different words that you come
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  Speaker 1: up with. But I feel like that's the way it
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  Speaker 1: worked out. But it just as easy, Yeah, Like I
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily let the result dictate the decision like that,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I don't think it was a bad decision
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  Speaker 1: by the Giants, but it's because the Patriots are going
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  Speaker 1: for perfection, and I think it was important that the
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  Speaker 1: league has an integrity. I think that's what John Madden
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: was sure was really impressed by, Like the fact that
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: you took this with such seriousness was impressive, and I
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: think they should have. I think the Giants did the
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: right thing. Now, what ended up being unbelievably.
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: Don't do a Brett Favre fall down for Michael.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: It was unbelievably positive for the Giants because it worked
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: out that they gave the Patriots everything they could handle
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  Speaker 1: and ended up being a great game and the Giants
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: got a huge boost of confidence they did. I don't
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: necessarily think that Tom Coughlin went into that game saying
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  Speaker 1: we're going to play this game hard because we're going
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  Speaker 1: to compete with them, and then when we do, we're
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: going to get a big lift from it. That's what
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: ended up happening, But I'm not necessarily sure that was
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  Speaker 1: the intention.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're probably right, But I do think there was
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: the thought that they hadn't played well, they were starting
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: to gain momentum going into the playoffs, and he needed
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: to keep his team, you know, rolling, and I think
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: there wasn't a better opponent to do that with. So like, now,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: like you said, what if they had gotten blown out?
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Now do you go into the playoffs?
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Or worse, what if they you know, lost a player
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: or two that they needed. Yep, yep, that's the fear.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: That's why these teams don't play their guys.
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  Speaker 5: I know, yeah, so it isn't it isn't an apples
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  Speaker 5: to apples comparison. In this case, only one team is
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: going into the playoffs.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: The other one is and we you know, we'll get
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: into the picks later. And this is as hard a
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: week as you'll ever have. The last week of the season.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: You just have just you just have no idea what
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: what teams are going to be.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Like yep, yeah, so so there's that who plays in
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: this game?
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: And then of course the ramifications of a win or loss,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: the Patriots can do no worse than four picking in
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: the draft. But of course if they lose the game,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: they could be have the number one overall.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: They will have the number one overall they lose. Yeah,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that's locked in.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's locked in if they lose. So you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: depending on who you want in the draft, you know,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: that could be important to you.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: So do you listen at all to my shows this morning,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: you know with Fred and Hardy?
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I tried to listen to Fred. I mean, I
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: don't know why Fred thinks were so interested in his family.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: I mean it's one thing like okay, like if you
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: were really funny and had really funny stories. Maybe it
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: would become interesting. But I'm not at all interested in
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: his family school.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: See, I kind of agree with it doesn't make them entertaining.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not overly entertained by, you know, the younger people
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: who do nothing but like are exasperated by their adults,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: their parents. Like maybe it's just because I have a
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: big family oriented person. It's like, you know, my parents
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: did everything for me. I really don't think it's all
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: that interesting to like dump all over them, you know,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: now that they're older and maybe a little bit crazy.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: But the point that he was making about JJ McCarthy
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: being available in trade.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: And that why do you have to trade him? Why
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: not learn under Donald.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: If you wanted to keep Donald for you know, like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: isn't that the perfect insurance policy? Like I don't want
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: to pull the plug on Sam Donald because he was
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: so good for us, right, But in the back of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: my mind, I'm not quite sure that he hasn't you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: completely put the seeing ghosts Sam Donald in the in
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the rear view mirror. So I'm going to sign him
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to a you know, a big deal, but I still
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: have JJ McCarty in that way of the country. Yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and then if if Donald, then it's the real deal.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe next year you trade him, Like I don't think that, No,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarty has to be available this of es.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: So Fred Toucher was saying if they signed Donald, they're
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: going to have to trade McCarthy.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And that he'll be more valuable than Shud or Sanders
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: or can't which I would agree with that maybe, but
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily, even with Fred, I don't think they
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: have to trade him right now if they wanted to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: hold on a Donald, I don't think. Yeah, like JJ
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: McCarthy costs nothing, is a rookie.
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: And like you said, Sam, Donald kind of came out
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: of nowhere this year. Who's to say that continues or
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: he just reverts back to his mean.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Now, I wouldn't like if if if I were a
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Viking fan and they decided to hold on to Donald,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I would say, no, that makes sense. Yeah, I know
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: why I can win it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: He's earned it. Yeah, he's earned it them both.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Now that also could change in the playoffs, if you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: he throws three picks and they lose in the playoffs
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh no, there's the same old Sam
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Donald or even Sunday night, you know, against Detroit. I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: think he'll play well. I think he's played really well
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: all year. I just don't understand why, even if you
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to re up him for three years, like you
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: have to get rid of JJ McCarty now you can.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you hold on to Donald and he's
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: your guy, and then eventually you're probably going to have
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to move a J. McCarty.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: But I don't think you have to do it in
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: year two. Joe from the Darkness rites in on this
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: side from the Darkness, That's what he says.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It's got to be another one for those newsletter he says,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I think you can be in the darkness.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I think I think your comparisons between this QB class
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: and twenty twenty two are off base and overly pessimistic.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Over the last two months, I've seen a growing consensus
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: among drug draft pundits that these two quarterbacks Ward and
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: we're talking to Sanders will be top five picks, even
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: if they are graded lower by those same pundits that
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: never existed in twenty twenty two. For reference, the mock
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Draft database.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Have you been to the site? Can I just stop
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: for a second, yeah, I don't think anyone in this
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: show has ever said that these guys are not going
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to go in the top five.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They're just not worthy of being top five picks.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: The mock draft database consensus Big Board has Sanders and
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Ward as two and three, respectively. That same database ended
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty two with Malik Willis at ten and pick
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: It at fifteen and Ritter at thirty one. Additionally, the
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: comments draft guys have made about these quarterbacks being graded
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: lower than they will actually be taken are extremely common
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: for quarterback prospects. Last year, I heard similar comments made
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: regularly about Daniels, McCarthy, Pennox, and Knicks. Your doomerism about
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks at the top of this draft is excessive
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: and annoying. Sure, they aren't the twenty twenty four to
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one classes, but I'm not convinced this is
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: an extraordinarily weak class.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like it is an extraordinarily talking about two
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and I don't That doesn't mean I don't think these
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: guys are going to go in the top five. I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: saying I don't think that they're going to be valuable
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: enough for teams to say, not only I want to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: take him in the first round. I'm willing to give
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: up multiple picks to move up to a spot where
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I have to get to take him in the first round.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That's that's all I'm saying, right, I just don't feel
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like these guys are thought of the way the top
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: three were last year. All three of those guys were
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: worthy of trading for.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: That's why the Giants were trying so hard to trade
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: with us to get Drake May. He was the third guy,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and they were clamoring for him. I don't think you
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: get Listen, maybe I'm wrong, No, but I don't think
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the people are going to be clamoring for shit.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: And the fact that when we talk about this draft class,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: it's only those two guys.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And I don't know why that annoys you. The Patriots
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: aren't interested in the quarterback.
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: Market like it's especially if we stay at one.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Like you could still make a trade if you want
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: tom No, but make a trade.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: They're annoyed because they're hoping for the Hall. They're hoping
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: to get the bag for the first overall pick, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: and it's just it may not happen the way it
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: has in the past, you know, and it's by the.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Way, similar to the way it hasn't happened in the past,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like that year.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: It stinks, I know it, but that's just probably the fact.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you know, Evan, you know, I thought he
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: recounted in detail about Jacksonville situation. I think it was
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the twenty two that he was talking about and ended
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: up having to say Trayvon Walker because they didn't have
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: anybody else that was looking to move up and again.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Or at least not for what they were asking.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So Malik Willis was ten, these guys are two and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: three like that. Is that that big of a difference?
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Well, it is?
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: Is it really?
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Ten to two or yeah, three guys that were supposed
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to go in the first round and one of them
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was supposed to go ten, who by the way, didn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: go until day two.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: No, But I think so, I.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Don't think it's that out of the realm of possibility
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that these guys are not as highly sought after as
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: people think.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I believe that, Yeah, all right. I also talked about
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and Matt had it in the in the intro today
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: about my Jets fantasy trade, you know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I just want to stay. I said
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to you as we were coming in off there, I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: just want to duly noted that you kept saying, listen
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to me, listen to me out, hear me out. And
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I was listening, and I was hearing you out. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was not pooing you. That was Evan.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Stephen Westford was also listening. He said, I've made a
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: lot of fun of Fred over the years, as we
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: all have. The nut Wizards, soap with a slot, non
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: tidal river abs the rest have kept us entertaining. But
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: every once in a while, maybe every four or five years,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Fred's genius shines through.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Four or five years. It's not bad Tuesday. It's a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: good run.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: It only takes once to be a genius. Tuesday's trade
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: scenario with the Jets was brilliant, with the Jets keeping
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: two first round picks. Side note, of course, the Patriots
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: should want to pick up Wilson and Williams for a
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: first round pick, and then, as Fred does want to do,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: he puked on his own brilliance by asking, by asking,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: mere minutes later, why would the Giants ever want to
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: give up their best receiver for a first round pick?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Never change for it. The difference is I'm going to difference.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Is Garrett Wilson's disgrunt.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: That's why that's a huge difference.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: That's the thing that sparked why the Jets would even
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: consider this is because he wants out.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: The Jets might feel like they have to trade Gary Alison.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants feel like they have to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: get rid of name.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Steven Westford. You weren't listening quite as much as you
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: thought you were.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Fred's genius intact.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Paul.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Paul.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I'm always supportive. It's a new me.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: So we've been taking emails.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I've made it twenty five minutes.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address. You
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: can sign up for the PU newsletter by going to
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Patriots dot com slash PU Newsletter sign up. We got
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: one ready to go tomorrow. Okay, very good. You definitely
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: want to get that, especially in the off season, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: little extra content while the Patriots aren't playing.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: So I feel like they're gonna get off the rails
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: in the off season, the fun.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: They might, Yeah, behind the scenes video stuff like that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: In our offices, people don't people don't know where I work.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: They don't know where Paul works.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: It'd be good to see maybe the pregame show routine,
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: or there are.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: People in the building who don't know where Paul works anymore. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: some people like, see.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: We're all downstairs. I had someone that didn't realize I
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: even still worked here.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well hidden, but guess who's here.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: Look who's back from the locker room?
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: What was the mood where the players friendly to that
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: none of them look.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: Like Devin, Henry Hay, Mike, what was it like.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: In the locker room?
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Pain Mike?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: What was it like?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, what was it?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Puts a smile on his face.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: When you work on your music this off season, this
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: should be like the first song.
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: All I can do an acoustic version. I'll actually tell
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: you what it was like in the locker room with
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: the musically. Yeah, that's a good idea on that last
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: one though, Right, this is the last locker Room return
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: of the year. Fortunately, sadly last last one.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: We just play it randomly in the off season.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Clay will be in the locker room on Monday.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: No, but we won't be on We won't be on
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the air. Yeah, we scheduled to be well as.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: Far as we know, imagine, no, but so nice heard
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: from brendan schooler today and you know, you could tell
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: it really made a lot, meant a lot to him.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: We probably talk about.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Good guys.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: He's our pro bowler.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, congratulations for saving yeah yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: But no, he was. He was really excited, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: I just see. And these are the moments where he
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: talked a little bit about being remembering being with his
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: dad and his brother and watching you know, football games
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: growing up, and his dad saying, you know, someday maybe
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: that could be you. And he said, you know, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: just had a really nice, you know phone call with
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: my family to let them know, and and I was
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: so you just see, he was, you know, really affected
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: by it. So it's it's cool, it's the human side
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: of it. You see. The guy who's you know, obviously
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: put a ton of work in. I mean, he was
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: at what two different colleges.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, was he happy for Texas? Were disappointed for Orgon.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: Exactly?
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: No.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: They asked him a little bit about that, but he
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: he was he seemed like he was excited for Texas.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know if we've already posted it, but we have.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: When Gerard announced it to the team. So we've got
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: that shout out to football.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: Let us capture that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that'll be if it isn't already, it's up
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: on Patriots platforms.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Uh. Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: It was so cool that Slater was in the room
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: for that, because like Slater or school or story is that,
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Like Slater was the guy he modeled his game after him.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: And his dad would watch Slater play and say, hey,
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: this is your path to the NFL, and then by
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: happenstance they ended up on the same team together.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: And just I have to be honest by him. A
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: few days ago we were told, you know, we've got
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: one player that made it, and they they wouldn't tell
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: us who because you.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Know, God forbid we leak it the media.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: No first Yeah, but my first my first thing was, oh, Gonzo, Yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: you know, use it. And then if not him is Barringer. Yeah,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: like like I you know, blame you know, uh not
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: not good on me, But I forgot about Schooler.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, now, I uh, you know one of the
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: things I'd point out too, because we kind of I
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: think we gave him a little crap last year about
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: some of his inability to kind of keep his temper
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: under control.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: He definitely cut back on the undisciplined penalty.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: And he said that today, he said, you know, he said,
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: last year, I thought, you know, I took some stupid
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: penalties and kind of lost control, and I, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: really trying to be more of a leader this year.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: So uh, you know, not a lot of bright spots
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: this year.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: But but I definite on him, and good on you
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: bringing it up because we were both of us were
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: critical in a lot of post games last year of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you know, another unsportsmanlike contract penalty or another late hit,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know kind of stuff. And I don't think he
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: had any of those.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: No, No, I mean he you know, they asked him
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: about it, but he brought it up, and yeah, just
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: a good story, you know. I mean it's just it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: nice to just have a little see it's something positive
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: come out of this season winner this year.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So maybe you want to rest him so he's
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: ready for the.
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: Pro Bowl games. He's gonna get in that dodgeball game.
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: You want to make sure he's nice in the limber.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Seemed like a good dodgeball player thin, So we can
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: turn sideways hard, you know, it's versatile, might hit the flow,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you'd have to get the replay to hit his hair.
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: But also uh, in terms of the revs locker room,
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: heard from Christian Ellis as well as Kendrick Bourne too,
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: So uh, Bourn kind of interesting thought, Mike, you already
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: had a good question for him. Uh, listed off all
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: the different Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Bill O'Brien, Alex Van Pelt.
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: You've had four different coordinators here. You know, is it
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: hard on a player? And he said, yeah, you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: it's an underrated part of it is, you know, understanding
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: how the offense is run, what the what this offensive
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: coordinator is looking for. Uh so he's you know, vote
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: confidence for avp s that he really likes a VP,
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: but just a player's perspective, a receiver's perspective on some
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: of the challenges. And I mean he's had and I'm
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: sure he had another OC when he's at San Francisco too,
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: so you know, he's had a bunch of different offenses.
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: And I mean I think the other thing is like
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: these guys all seem to understand this is just how
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: the league works. I mean even the coaches talking today,
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: it's you know, this is it you win three games,
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: everybody knows everything's on the table, and you don't know
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: what's gonna happen next week.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: You're talking about Covington and a VP talking.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah AVP, I mean AVP especially. I mean, I just
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: I think we all, I mean all speak for myself,
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: but I just I really enjoyed listening to him this
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: this year. He's very honest, Yeah, coach, willing to admit mistakes, like,
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: you know, pointing out like I shouldn't have called that
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: play the other day. I thought, uh, you know, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: mean obviously had a you know, a couple of missteps
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: this season, but overall, just I just enjoyed listening to him.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: I mean that's I'd probably say the same for Josh
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: back in the day. Like you know, certain coaches you
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: just enjoy listening to their view on football, and especially
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: when with a VP, it's not is you don't feel
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: like it's being editorialized. Really, he's just kind of telling
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: how he feels, and yeah, I just I appreciated that
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: from him.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, I mean that's gonna be the big topic
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: after this game, is who stays, who goes. I know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: there's to me, there's been a little bit of a
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: ground swell to keep AVP and I think that started
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: maybe three quarters of the way through the season. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: think Paul you were the one of all the names,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: the top names on the team, starting with wolf Down.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Of those guys, it you know, just from appearances, a
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: VP looks like he's done the best job.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And I think he's had the hardest job.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like the offense, forget about the stats,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: but just look at the development of Drake May, which
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: was priority number one for him.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he did a pretty good job with that.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And it's not perfect, and he is. He tells us
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: every week all these little things, you know, like he's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: really hard on himself. He talked about that pitch against
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the Chargers that you know resulted in the fumble. He
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he put that on him. I put them in a
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: bad spot. I put our guys in a bad spot.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Those are the ones they keep them up. And again
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give them all this credit, like, well,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: maybe stop making bad play calls and you wouldn't be
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: keeping yourself up. So it's not been perfect. I'm not
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: trying to say that, but I think out of those
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: four guys, his job was the most difficult given the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: lack of support and the fact that you're dealing with
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. So if anyone I think has made
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: a case for himself, I think it's Alex ran Pell.
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: He's earned the case to give him some talent, like
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: you know, some of the other you know the other.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: How does it look if?
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, players, you could say that about across the roster,
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: but he's one where you know, he was able to
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: bring a few things together. I agree.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: I mean I was reading something today about his time
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: in Cleveland and when he got released, and there were
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: a lot of people that were a little bit baffled
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: on why they released him, you know, based on the
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: situation there and the job he was doing.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they had done they had remained productive offensively
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: with four or five quarterbacks during the course of the year.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Now what a lot of people And I was one
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that was very strongly on Van Pelt's side, But I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: didn't realize, you know, how little he had to do
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: with the you know, the play calling and all that stuff.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You know from Afar, you don't know the ins and
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: outs like that. Stefanski was calling the plays. But yeah,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you're right, a lot of people in Cleveland, were like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: he wasn't the problem. What are we doing?
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Yep. So so he taught Paul and I mentioned a
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: little bit, you know, he came out definitively and said
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: that May will be playing. He will start. Yeah, so
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: that doesn't mean he's going to play the whole game.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: But do you think he should play? We had a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: we had a quick.
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: You know, I think if I was doing it, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: would start him. I'd play him a couple series and
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: then I put Jill Milton in and I just I
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: want to give him this week of prep. I think
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: he needs to play. I think the value of going
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: against Buffalo, even if it's backups again, you know, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: just I just doesn't.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Sound like that it's gonna be like the way they
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: said that Milton got some reps this week, and.
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: They asked, you know, they asked, I think inter Callahan
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: asked did he get any reps? And and Alice confirmed
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: today that he did. And then Kendrick Bourne was also
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: asked a little bit about Joe Milton, and you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: and he kind of seemed to confirm that he got
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: some reps yesterday and a lot of these I mean,
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: Kendrick very high on on Milton, just the attitude that
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: he brings, and you know, he he's obviously been behind
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: the scenes this year, but I think everybody like to
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: just I mean, it's kind of fun. Why wasn't that
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: guy chuck that ball down the field? I wouldn't be
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: opposed to it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, anything from Covington that raised your.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: Eyebrown Not really and maybe that's that's the bad thing,
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: but I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: kind of, you know, settling in saying the same things
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: every week of you know, we just got to play better.
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, I do think he came out pretty you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: support for key On White. I surprised talking about you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: he's been over my house at Christmas, because I mean,
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: for me, it was hard not to hear some of
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: what Keon was saying and feel kind of like it
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: was aimed at how I'm being used and you know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: how what they're making me do. And you know, I
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: think some of those arguments that Keon might have been
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: making that we all could have pushed back a little
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: bit and said, well, key On, maybe you got to
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: do what's right for the team in this situation. It's
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: not just about you know, unleashing you and letting you
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: go get the quarterback. I think that's the growth process
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: of a young player too. But we'll see, we'll see.
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: With Covington, I mean, he's been pretty consistent all year.
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: I think we Paul and I both felt like one
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: of one of the press conferences he seemed to lack
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: his swag a little bit. But otherwise he's been He
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: has been consistent, even though the you know, the well,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: I guess the results have been pretty consistent too, in
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: a bad way. But you know, it's hard, It's it's
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: just you find yourself sitting there wondering, this is a
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: first yeer head coach, and you know, we knew there
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: were going to be some ups and downs, but you're weighing,
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: you know, how how bad was it really? And is
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: it going to get it? Do you really believe it
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: can get better if these guys are giving more opportunities?
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Eric and Maryland says this is a true story. I
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: had to get new tires yesterday and instead of waiting
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: at the Firestone shop, I decided to walk about a
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: mile to a nearby food court for lunch. Unfortunately, the
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: last thing I heard on my car radio before the
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: walk was that damp jingle from Cars for Kids. That
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: jingle makes me want to repeatedly beat my skull against
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: a concrete wall to get that earthworm out of my head. Luckily,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I remembered Mike's song and forced myself to say, in
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: a matter of moments, Car for Kids was no longer
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: in my head, replaced by the soothing melodies of Mike's
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: adventures with Derrick Henry. That song saved my sanity.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter how long you go without hearing the
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: Cars for Kids jingle, Like if you think of it once,
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: you're screwed with the kids stuck in your head.
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: Hey a r S car spreeks. I donated a car
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: of Cars for Kids, probably because of that jingle, like
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: my Mike O G Blazer that I wrote I drove
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: from ninety one to two thousand and four.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: That w And they also say donate wrong, they say today.
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: They do songs back in a lot of people's heads. Now, sorry, yeah, sorry.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: All right? A five to five pats five hundred is
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: the TPX hotline. We got a hurry because we got
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: picked today. Was it just a preview a good week?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Oh it's another very strong, very strong for Evan.
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: Did he falter at all?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: No, he didn't have the best week though. There was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a three way tied at the top and he was
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: not among it. When he was like one game back.
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: He's still going to be not victory.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: He's gonna win.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: He's gonna win both.
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: He's gonna come in with like a trophy.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: I have a.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Chance to catch him in spread, but I don't.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: I don't. Does he have a LinkedIn account? I don't
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: know if that he wanted to pick up a bad
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: and will know how much it meant winter the picks
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: and all of the year. What's up, Fidel?
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: Hey you guys. Hey, I'm doing great.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: And she had a funny story. Just came back from Boston.
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: Had a great time. It was the Chargers game.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: It was amazing, really okay.
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: I have a funny story about what actually happened at
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: the Stay Beautiful Stadium. By the way, best experience I
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: ever had an NFL game?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Where'd you set asart from the game part, where'd you say?
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: In the one around the fifty yard line? I was
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: like feet away from the Patriots, but not bad?
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: There you go?
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but uh, I kind of accidentally found myself in
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: Girodmeo's family's sleep what.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: It was by accident. It was by accident. So I
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: was taking photography photos, so I brought my camera. It's
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: like a small camera but as like a zoom lens
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: kind of thing. So midway to the game, we're getting
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: blown out, so I'm like, all right, let me just
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: walk around take photos. So I'm walking up from the
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: one hundreds and I'm going to the two hundred level
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: to the three hundred level. And as I'm walking up,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: I see there's like a gaze area, but it's not
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: like secured or like don't get one fired right now,
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: but it was. There was no one there, but I
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: saw a cool overlook of the stadium. So I'm like, oh,
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: so I just walked through because there was no real
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: like anything there, and I saw people were already there,
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: so I walked through start taking pictures, and the group
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: that was there already started walking into this area. I
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: didn't know where it was leading to. I'm like, oh,
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: maybe it's another side of the stadium. So I'm walking
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: with them and I'm going through and I accidentally wound
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: up in that private suite area that you guys just
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: built the stadium like last year. I'm like, oh, wow,
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: this is amazing. So I'm walking through, I grab a
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: splash of prime rib. I'm watching the game and then
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: this at this point is when lat McConkie scores a
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: second touchdown and I'm eating primary, like, no, friends, this
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: should have been us. It should have gotten lad and
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: looking through the suite and I'm having a great time,
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: and I see this on another two three levels. I'm like, oh,
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: what's up there? So I see a group going down
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: into the elevator and I just naturally follow them, all.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Right, and anybody working security.
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: They start talking and stuff, and I'm just falling done
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: because i have nowhere else to go. And they just
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: walk into a suite and as I walk in, I
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: see like, oh, I'm in someone's private sy like a
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: sponsor or something like that. And I look around and
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: I start seeing people in Girodmeo's jerseys. And then I
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: hear someone point out to me, oh, you have a camera,
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: you take pictures. I go, yeah, I do, and they go, oh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: can you take our pictures?
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: They don't have phone?
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: It was his daughter's. No, it was my actual camera.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: No, I know, but like, okay, yeah, but everybody's got
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: a camera now?
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, anyone who got the camera?
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: Now?
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: So they go in they take photos. I'm like yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: And apparently it was his daughter's birthday. So I was
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: hitting shooncause of the entire family on my camera.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: And did you share them with them? And like they
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: you know, yes, I.
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: Did, so I grabbed one of the cousins or nephew's
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: Instagram and I shared, so I have photos of their
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: entire family.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, uh wow, said to them.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: On Instagram after and halfway through that, Nikovich just shows up.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Is this a dream or did this really happen? Okay,
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: I don't need Okay, I believe you. Yeah. Is there
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: a payoff for this?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: Great experience? And then I ended up going leaving the
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: stadium a great experience, didn't.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: I thank you.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: We'll have to opsecurity. Thanks for the thanks for the tip,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: and I'm glad you had a good time.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: At least the prison admission was worth it.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: And that was with the may That is a cool story,
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: but kind of weird.
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, where's the prime ribat and there's no prime ry.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I look forward to I'll be arriving on Sunday and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: if I'm not in the right door when I come in,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and this guy evidently just allowed to.
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: Fake it till you make it. You know, you look
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: like you.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Belong because when he started the story, he said he
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: ended up in the suite, but he was in the
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: hundred level, and I just I'm thinking to myself, how'd
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: you get up there? Because there's no direct access for
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: even if you like go to the three hundred, you
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: can't just walk into the suite area. But I think
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: what happened is he was in the GPA rim and
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: they had those you can get access from there. Yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: and I think he hooked up, but he shouldn't even anyway.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Good for him.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: Imagine you're just like looking around and you see a
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: kid and you're like, wow, that young boy has Gmeo's face.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: He always got his jerseys too. Jeez.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: I wonder what that sweet was like during your birthday.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: And I hope they're having fun.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Uh, Patty's an agawam, what's up? Patty?
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: Hey, good afternoon everyone.
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: I finally sobered.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: Up from the New Year's okay home mind, So I just.
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: Kind of wanted to get into the whole, the whole
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: coaching coaching staff and how I felt about how I
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: felt about it after the bye and I listened to
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: a Tom Kerr's podcast, No Sense Pready with Brian Hoyer,
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: and he was kind of making a case of bringing
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: him back. But I don't know, man, Like, after I
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: saw what they did in Arizona and just the compete
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: level that they had that day and from this past week,
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: I don't know how you bring the guy back. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: it sucks, it's unfortunate, but I think if there's you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: Rabel's really out there and you got a chance to
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: get him, I would go and try and get him.
• 42:56
  Speaker 10: And Freddy's what kind of triggered this for me was
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: what you said on the postgame show, how Mayo has
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: no network, Like if we move on from these coordinators,
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: who the hell are we picking? Like, who's gonna come here?
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: How many friggin' interviews are we going to have for
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: each coordinator position?
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I know, and while you're doing that, who's thinking about
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty five right now?
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: I hear you, you know, so I just I mean,
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: if I think if he's there and he got a
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: chance to get him, I would just say, you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: go through.
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: The process, do what you didn't do this last cycle.
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: I'm interview some candidates and I mean, if he's the
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: one that you want to land on, land on because
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry, Like I love Gerard as a player. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 10: was really excited to see what he could do this year.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: But after the bye, he just he lost me. And
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: I'm sure there's a lot of other fans out there
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: like me.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: That's all I got, guys, No thanks, listen. I have
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: to be honest. I see the emails and usually you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: we've had these type of debates before, not really getting
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: rid of coaches. But I think, you know, I think
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: we might have had Remember we did the polls in
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: the past. I forget what the subject matter was, but
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: it was important.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Stuff was yeah, like I don't know if we would
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: have done something like that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: No, but it was. It was like half and half.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: But all the emails I'm getting right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Now are move on. I mean we talked about the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like the radio station like NBC Sports Boston
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: had one about a month ago, e I had one
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: last week. It's like ninety something single digits. I know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: move on, blow it up, you know, whatever however you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: want to classify.
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: It's the hard thing too, is he has, you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: just no bat previous experience. So I think even with
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: somebody like Alex van Pelt, you can at least look
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: to some of the things he's done in the past
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: and say, you know, there is evidence before that he's
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: you know, pulled performances out of people, and you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: so there's just Gerard had a really hard task this
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: year and like, you know, not only jumping into a
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: head coaching position, but proving to everybody that he has
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: some promise as a as a coach in charge of people.
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: She he's never done before.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: You know what what I have a hard time with
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: is when I get asked the question, and I got
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: asked this morning by somebody, what would you do? I
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: have a hard time answering it, you know, factually because
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I don't have the facts.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: We've talked about this before.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know how good these coaches are really and
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: we know the product that they're putting out there, but
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: is it the product of the roster bad coaching? Both
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: we not have the practices, we're not in the meeting rooms,
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: we don't know the communication. And I was saying, like
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: if I was an owner and I know, like people
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: will laugh at this, but when I'm sitting in my
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: suite watching the game, I would have like a box
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: underneath my seat with a wireless connection to a little headset,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: and I would listen to everything going on on game day.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to talk have any input, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: I'd want to hear all the communication that's happening on
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: game day because if I'm the ultimate person that's making
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: this decision as an owner, I need the information. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: can't sit down with Gerard Mayo and say, Gerard do
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: you think you should stay? I mean, what's he gonna say,
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Alex Vanpel do you think you should stay? Elliott Wolf?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think you did a good job?
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: So I need to get some honest information. I don't
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: have it, So it's hard for me to say, yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: blow it up, you know, like a lot of fans do,
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: which I don't blame him. I'm not saying that they
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: don't have a right to say that, But it's just
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: when you really sit down and you're the person who
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: has to make that decision, you have to do it
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: with information, you know. That's all I'm saying. That's why
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: it's difficult. Plus we're dealing with human beings. I don't
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: caval literally say fire this guy.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's you know, that's really true. Like, I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: don't I've never felt comfortable doing that now. You know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: if you ask me what I think, I'm going to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: tell you what I think. But it doesn't you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: there's a we were talking about this today. There's a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: local media member who didn't have his contract. We knew,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and you'd have thought, like based on the comments of
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: like these fans and whatnot, it was like the fourth
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: of July, like this is the greatest day ever. This
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: guy a guy who's out of a job, right, it's
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: a human being. I don't know why it's such a
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: cause for celebration, and I think that sometimes we lose
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: sight of that when we talk, well, this guy's got
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to go, that guy should be fired. Yeah, yes, I think.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: You know, you can make an argument, like Fred said,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I understand why the fans are thinking what they are,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of things that I've questioned
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: during the course of the season. It doesn't necessarily mean
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to revel in, you know, like Bill Belichick
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: losing his job last year, Like that's not a cause
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: for a celebration. I thought it was time that that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he should go. We talked about it a lot of
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you know, toward the end of last year. I would
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: have moved on. I think they made the right choice.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that you have to be excited about it, right.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Right, Let's go to Dave and Tennessee. What's up Dave? Hey, Dave, Yeah, well,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: I'm clear.
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: You know, I just think it was his first time
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: in this position. He had no one to hold his hand.
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: He's got to get experienced somehow. And uh, you know
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: that's what your first year is for. You had no
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: talent to work with, and it's like, we're just gonna
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: run this study out of town.
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: You know. It's like I thought Matt Patricia was going
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: to be.
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: A good OC.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I was with you, you were you were a cast
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of two, Dave.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: I was with you.
• 48:11
  Speaker 11: Liked stuff out Matt Patricia, and it's like, but Girodo
• 48:17
  Speaker 11: just gets the past.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that meant. Okay, so
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: did he did he do a curveball on us at
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: the end? I don't sounds like we wanted we wanted
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: to get rid of Patricia.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and my thing about Patricia was that I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: just never felt like he had any expertise on the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Like, if you wanted to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: put him back in a role on defense, fine, but
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I just didn't understand the move to make
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: him an offensive coordinators. That makes that a little bit different.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Let's see Jordan is in London.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Hey Jordan, Hello, everybody.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Hello, Yes we can this is the BBC.
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: I have a very fast guys.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I think every truly quite.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Holmes, Alan, I can hear you, but I don't Okay,
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: I didn't quite. We didn't quite catch heard all.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: The names of the quarterback. That's what it sounds like.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: You're driving, you guys, drive on the wrong side over there.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: You need to pay attention.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, are you buy Harrod's? Can you pick me up
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: some tea? I'm sorry, Joan.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: When we're having a hard time understanding you because of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the speaker, Yeah, I think.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: You're cutting in and out. I think good to hear
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: from our friends in London are some of our best
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: fans ever.
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, when you're not driving, email us what you said.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, you can do voice voice voice, voice to
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: voice to text. Scott san Diego writes, in at podcasts
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: at Patriots dot com. Thanks for the much needed football
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: therapy this season. I even enjoyed the secuitous Paul Fred
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: what are we arguing about? Arguments? I see that ESPN's
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: Bill Barnwell pick Gonzo is one of the top three
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: cornerbacks in the NFL. That seems right to me. But
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: he wasn't picked for the Pro Bowl. Do you think
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: he deserves to be selected?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah he does. But I mean, I who got selected
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: from the AFC, Nobody from Miami.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Nobody from the Jets, Marlon Humphrey, Patrick Sirtan, Denzel Ward Ward. Yeah,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: that's what I can't think of what the other one
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I would have put Gonzales over Marlon Humphrey. Marlin Huffy
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: is a terrific player, but I don't think he's had
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a great year.
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: It feels like the Pro Bowl usual Stan.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I think is arguably better than Gonzales. Denzel Ward I
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: think has been hurt too. Like I like him as
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a player, he seems like he's in and out of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the one.
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: With the young players Pro Bowls a year behind, like
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: you have your breakout year, like kind of almost I
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: mean almost like schooler last year, you know, like kind
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: of had that pump block last year, like kind of
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: made a name for himself a little bit, and you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: fans get to recognize you and then the rest of
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: the league two and I'm sure I bet you Conto
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: makes it next year. He definitely deserves it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's what
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: you did the year before. Because the Pro Bowl voting
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: when did they have it?
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, so it starts like middle of the seasons.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like, yeah, how much are you paying
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: attention to like every other player in the league while
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: the season is going on?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Anyway, So he'll get in next year along with Travis Hunter. Uh.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Fred Sauce Gardner didn't get in in maybe he bounces
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: back and it's another guy in your wife.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't have he didn't have a good He
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: didn't have a good true, Fred, which team would you
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: want to win the Super Bowl? Between the Bengals, Bills,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: are Jets? You have to choose one. That's a tough one.
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: I got those.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: That's a tough one. Who would I pick?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: It's an easy one for me, Bills.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Mine would be the Jets.
• 52:20
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Well you used to like him.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I know, I just can't. I can't stomach Yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: I can't stomach the Bengals winning and the Bills, Like
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: I said, it would be against nature for them to wait.
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: I get this, since he I do, I do really like.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Jets are such a sorry franchise now.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Is a personal thing. So I get that. But Buffalo,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I think Buffalo be cool like nothing. But people, well
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that's the thing.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: But now if they win, now they can say, yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: we won. Up until now we can say what if
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: you want?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: And I want to be able to keep for people
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to get fired.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: I need to keep that card in my dead I
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: need to keep that card in my deck. I can't
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: lose it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I keep that card in my boom. Shut up.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Question for the group, who do we like for defensive coordinator?
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: I'm sure we will move from Covington after the season.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Would you like to see the Crafts bring back Brian Flores?
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean I don't think that would happen, but sure, yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: He's like, I.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Don't ever rule these things out, but Brian Flores is
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator for one of the very best teams
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: in football. Why would he want to come to be
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator for one of the very worst teams for.
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think maybody wants to talk about if
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: Mayor were to go. I mean, it's it's pretty much
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: what Rabel and the Lions guy, I mean, right like that,
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: that's it?
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: Who else have you heard mentioned? Is like a potential
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: for a head job for head coach?
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, like you know, I start going down the floor.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Is I'm now going to talk about? Now? He wouldn't
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: be my choice because I don't think he did nearly
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: as good a job with the Dolphins as people think
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: he did, and I think he was terrible with a
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: young quarterback. Now maybe he's learned. Maybe you know, a
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: lot of guys are much better the second time around.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'd have a better relationship with the young quarterback.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: But I've heard him, I've heard Rabel, I've heard Ben Johnson.
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: You know it though, right like there's no one else
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: that people really know a lot of.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: People, Yeah, in terms of clamoring because you want the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: offensive guy and right now, you know, would you be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: interested in Cliff Kingsbury did a great job in Washington
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and year one with a young quarterback with you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I think most people didn't feel like he did job
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: with Arizona.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: Brandon in Maine writes in as much as AVP has
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: struggled at times to develop and improve the Patriots offense, really,
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: how much better are they than the Matt Patricia year?
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: I would bring him back for one more year. My
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: reasoning he has the least amount of talent to work
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: with in the NFL. We have the worst defensive line
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: for running or passing by block win rate, I believe,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: and the wide receiver room was filled with children, as
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: evidenced by their continued comments to the social media or
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: on social media, and Kendrick barn still can't even line
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: up properly. Drake May has grown and developed, which was
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: the most important thing to happen for the team in franchise.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: He deserves credit for that. Lastly, it feels like he's
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: the only coach who has truly held himself accountable. His
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: media sessions actually sound like a professional football coach. Unlike
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: the other top two coaches on the team. He's the
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: professional adult in the room where it feels like that
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: presence has been missing everywhere else. If there is any
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: one of the three top coaches that I do believe
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: has the chance to grow and approve next year. It's
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: him and also deserves the chance to grow and improve
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: in year two, and that is without considering the improvement
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: that hopefully takes place with an infusion of talent on
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: that side of the ball. So there's the yeah, Brandon's
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: case to keep AVP.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: I just think that if they make AVP the one
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: to walk the plank like that is not going to
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: be received well by a large majority of people.
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: And it shouldn't be like how if we see him
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: the one out of everyone to get scapegoated, that gives
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: me major questions about what's going on.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: With I feel like, if you want to make changes,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I don't think that's changes. That's just like,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: you know, showing exactly the word that alex Is hues.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: It feels like a scapegoat to day.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that point about the receiver room being all children,
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: I think that's a great point that maybe people haven't looked.
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know, I think it's been looked over a little.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: But just like the lack of like veteran presence on
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: the off season, losing David Andrews this season was huge,
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: the wide receiver room when Kendrick Bourne is your veteran.
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: We love Kendrick, but like there's just like a little
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: something missing there and they're so young there, the resolve
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: just hasn't been there, and those it's really the tight
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: end room. You have those two guys that are veterans
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: that have been in the league a long time, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: I think that's why the tight end room is so solid,
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: and we just didn't have that with the receiver room.
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Born had to have one today. They were asking me,
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: you know, what do you want to work on on
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: the off season, and so in my brain, I'm like,
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: you know, just being mentally on it. And then when
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: the playbook and stuff's like catching more deep balls. You know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: it's a little hard to practice in the off season
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: because you don't have the quarterback, but you know, tracking
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: the ball, and you know, again that's what he wanted
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: to work on.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, what it was, what did you think of
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: the Penn State quarterback?
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: So now this is an interesting one for the previous
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: email before Mike got here about the class. Yeah, a
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: lot of people think he would be a top ten pick,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: but he has already said he's going back to Penn State. Yeah,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of the quote unquote experts think that they're
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: still room for him to change his mind. It's not
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: like it's a binding moment. You know that he can't.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: He can't change his mind and make himself eligible for
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the draft. I don't love him, but he's got an arm.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Like these guys talk about him like he would be
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a top ten picks and that that would help the Patriots.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: That would put three guys in the mix. And is
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: there tight end in the draft. Yeah, he's unbelievable. Yeah,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, Tyler Warren, Yeah, he's so So
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: here's a good example, Fred, you can have scatterable in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: the back of your envelope. Tyler Warren is considered to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: be an excellent player, and he's unbelievably versatil least like
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: he's played quarterbacks. He's snapped the ball on a touchdown catch,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: He's actually snapped the ball on a play. He does
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of different things for that team. He's a
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: good player.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan and.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Everett, you know Dan, I know some Dan's and effort.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. In regards to the draft, given all the needs
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: this team has, my opinion of who I want to
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: draft probably changes daily today I'm leaning towards edge. My
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: understanding is that Abdul Carter is the top rated prospect.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: Does he have the potential to be a game wrecker
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: at the position? I love the idea of trying to
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: get out to early leads to force teams into throwing
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: more so that the pass rush can tee off.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately he didn't get a chance to really play this
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: week yesterday because he got hurt or two days ago.
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he didn't.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Play the game. But I guess up until the point
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: he got hurt, he was.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: He's a great player.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, following Evan on Twitter, it seems like Evan's
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: coming around on him a little bit over the last
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: couple of days. But I mean, I just you got
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: to acknowledge the need at edge, and I think you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, we talked about it on the show on Tuesday.
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: It's a huge need. Like I mean, you just you
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: talk about the key positions. They looks like they got
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: quarterback in cornerback for now to like kind of start
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: with left tackle, wide receiver, defensive end, a legit pass rusher,
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: somebody off the edge. And I mean, I don't know
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: if he's the three down guy, But he moves like crazy.
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's just super athlete, super explosive. He's a
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: problem for anybody, you know, and you just hope is
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: like a former off the ball guy that you know
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: he can round his game out and can bring But
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, it's the game's one on third down,
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: So I think there's something definitely to consider with him.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: Let's see, who is this ed right sin from Tallahassee.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: Where did the Patriots begin to create an identity? Is
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: it a defensive ID or an offensive ID? The most
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: ominous thing that happened in twenty twenty four is that
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: the Patriots D has regressed. We don't challenge either on
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: the road or at home for twenty twenty five. I
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: think we first have to lean into building a defense
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: that can compete in the AFC East. And that is
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: as good a reason to draft Travis Hunter number one
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: as any yeah can.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I've exhausted my thoughts on the defense regression of the D.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: If you had to rate twenty twenty four biggest surprise
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: with the Patriots, wouldn't the regression of the defense be
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: one of them?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: I would say more of the collapse of the defense
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: of just or whatever, the bottom of the league. I mean,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: you know that it was that bad, you know, I'm
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: sure you know. I mean we can debate how good
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: or bad they were. Maybe you say they're middle. Even
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: if you said they were middle of league. They're the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: worst defense in the league this year, I mean they
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: are bottom.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe everything, maybe run defense in particular. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: but if you also said that, you know, barb More
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: and Judon are not going to be part of it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I think people just sort of overlooked that, Like the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: best player on defense because he didn't play the last
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: twelve games last year, you know, you trade him. I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: think it's it's different than losing a guy from injury.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Trading him before the season, I think, and I think
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: it was a good trade. I'm not criticizing the move.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: That's probably the best move Elliot Wolf has made. Is
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that trade. You're getting a third round pick for a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: thirty whatever year old edge rusher, I think is a good,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: solid trade.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: Yep, especially when they losing the two guys you talk
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: are such an important element of the defense. I mean
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: the pass rush. Like you want to talk about, oh
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: we lost you know Godshaw, Let's just say like, yeah, well,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: figure you hope you can figure out a way to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: stop the run.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: To Mike's point, going from the middle of the pack
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to the bottom of the pack. Yeah, that's probably, you know, surprising,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: like just I have to be honest, Like, to me,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: it's mildly surprising. Okay, they played pretty much all teams
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that can play this year as opposed to half a scene.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: So what would you your biggest possibly like.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: The quarterbacks I'm talking about, not necessarily.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: What would your biggest surprise of twenty twelve.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I was terribly surprised. Maybe the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: fact that Drake May was able to play the rest
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: of the guy I figured for sure, like young quarterbacks
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: gonna get hit a lot, probably gonna miss time. Maybe that.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: I mean surprise. I'm not trying to think.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I mean it sounds terribly negative.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: Me.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not overly surprised by anything. And Fred I thought
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: illustrated this in the post game show after the Chargers
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: game when you said, you know, I don't know what
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: people were expecting today.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think with the Patriots, other than
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: the defense collapse, I think I was most surprised at
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: the off field performance of girod I like, like, I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: just like Paul just said, I didn't think the team
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: was gonna be good. Yeah, I like, that doesn't bother me.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: But I was surprised that off field he was as.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: And how it didn't really change. It never really seemed
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: to improve and get better both on and off the field.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe that part of it, even, you know, like we've
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: talked about Carolina a lot this year, people have talked
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: incessantly about year one of the Dan Campbell era, and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: in Detroit, we didn't see that here. You know, like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: most bad teams tend to say, Okay, we're bad, but
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to get better and we're going to show
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you some signs that it's not always going to be
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: gloom and doom. We didn't get those.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: Biggest thing too for me, defensively, looking at the coaches
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: they kept and Mayo being a defensive guy and Covington
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: being a guy who's been around, like, you know, I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: kind of bought into what they told me this summer,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: which you know, and judea On left and they said, well,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: you know, we've had years without pass rushers and we've
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: been able to kind of scheme around it and you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: it's probably on me for buying that, but I just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: didn't see that was the one thing you were kind
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: of hoping and you had to count on, was that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: you've got some continuity with the defense and that they're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: going to at least be solid.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: But we did say in the off season, don't underestimate
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: the loss of Bill Belichick, and see Belichick.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: I mean that there has to be a drop off.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: I just didn't think it would be so severe.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, that's the thing that surprised everyone. And
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: just like that defensive group had been together for a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: while with Judaan and then even Lawrence guy who they
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: caught at the end of last year, like who's not
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: a huge piece, but when you put it all.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: Together, you put it all together, you expected him to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: come back. But you lose bomb War, you'll lose Bentley
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: up the middle.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: And then you have this staff that's a lot of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: Bill guys kind of still remaining. So it's still the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: you still have those shades of Bill without just that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: huge gap that you have to make up for in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: like just institutional knowledge of the NFL, the organization that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: Steve also accumulated.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: So this is the part when we talk about who
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: should stay and who should go that you say all
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: these things, Well, they had all these losses and all
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: that stuff. So are we able to fairly judge DeMarcus
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: Covington based on just what we see on Sunday?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: See, I'm not judging any of the coaches on the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: actual performance. I'm judging the coaches on the level of preparation,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: the level of adjustments, the level of improvement. And I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: just didn't see it enough of enough of it on
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: both sides of the ball.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm talking about. Like to your point
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: that we keep getting back to, I think the Vegas
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: over under was four and a half. It was so
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone can sit here and be
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: up in arms that they only have three wins.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah right, Yeah, But.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that everything was great in terms
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of the coach. Just because you don't have any talent
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't do things to scheme it up
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: and play better than your talent. And I didn't see that.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: No, that's totally apt, And you know, I think that's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: what I said on one of the other shows, was
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: like there is a mental shift for me for thinking like, well,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: maybe they can win six too. They're winning three, and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: how did he get to three?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I can pretty much identify the time because there were
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: days that that Mike was when you guys were on
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the road and I'm left to pick up the pieces
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: by myself.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: Don't do it, Mike, don't do it.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: There are some dark days for Deuce.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: As one email is said on Tuesday, a lot of sentences,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: I just feel like I just I just feel like, yeah, yeah, watch.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: You think they've got to do something with the draft
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: eligibility rule there. You know, like you have like Jeremiah
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Smith and Ryan Williams who will be starting for how
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: many teams? Right if they were eligible?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: Is that the seventeen year.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Old Yeah, he's at Alabama. Jeremiah Smith just absolutely dominated
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the game yesterday. He just turned nineteen. But they're not
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: eligible for the drafty they just start, Oh my god,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: they'd start for half the teams.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: So you know, you talk about that in going back
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: to this Penn State quarterback, maybe when you know the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: businesses is vision is to declare for the draft because
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: you can say, oh, he's going to stay in because
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: he's going to make a boatload with n I l
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: but if there's a week a year to be the quarterback,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: this might be the year.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: Right, you know some of the consider I mean, I've
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: only seen a little bit of him, but it seems like, uh,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: you know, Paul, you probably watched more of him, But
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: it seems like he's pretty efficient and pretty safe with
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: the ball generally.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: That's let's I think.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: He's got a great arm.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I don't like aler at all.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: Oh I don't.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I don't I think that now.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: That's I mean honest, to be honest, That's why I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: say it, because.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: That's what happens when he plays teams with the post.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: That's why I said I thought like he doesn't seem.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Like to watch the Ohio State game. Okay, all right,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll trust you.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Micking Kirkland in kirk Ireland rights and uh, speaking of
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: which he says, first, Happy New Year. I hope you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: all enjoyed the holiday season bar a certain Saturday game,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: Speaking of which I always felt male deserve the second year,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: as I had fully expected this season to be poor
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: and had not expected a good record similar to you,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: I felt four to six wins was the best possible. However,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: this season has turned out to be worse than expected,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: and I feel that there is no other choice but
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: to move on from Mayo. If Mike Rabel is willing,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: then let's go. The biggest disappointment is that there has
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: been zero improvement anywhere across the team. Defenses regrets to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: being no more than a glorified speed bump for good teams,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: and the offense rarely sustains drives and are easy to defend.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: I believe a new start is required, and in my opinion,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: the only thing worse for Drake May's development and getting
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: rid of a coach in its first season is getting
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: rid of a coach in his second season and thus
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: impacting two years of his development.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: It's been an interesting lesson. Like I think I've said
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: it before in the show, like I always felt like
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 8: some of the AFC's teams maybe we're a little bit
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: too quick to pull the trigger on some of their
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: coach quarterback combinations. Over the twenty years, the Patriots were
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: just whacking everybody. But now being on this side of it,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: you realize how hard it is, how hard it is
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: to have a bad season in and then try to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: sell your fan base and the media on why you're
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: gonna keep the guy around even if you know, even
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: if you are taking a patient approach, it's just you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: feel the pressure. I've said it a few times, is
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: like every week you lose, it gets harder and worse,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 8: and the bad energy just continues to mount. And then
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: you win like that one game and it's like, oh
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: my god, thank god, we want a.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: Game like for a week.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: We get a little bit of like you know, reprieve
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: from this, but it's it's really hard, and I think
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: I understand things a little bit better from those other
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: teams perspective on why. It's like, all right, we got
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: to move you know Rex Ryan, Yeah he was got
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: as close for a couple of years, but we can't
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: do this anymore. We got to move on. So I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: just it's new perspective for sure, being on the side
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: of it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: All right, we'll take a break. When we come back,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: more calls and emails. Evanably back, we'll hear what he
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: has to say from practice, and then we'll get into
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: picks right after this.
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  Speaker 5: Happy in New Year.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 14: Before I start, I'll just found out, you know what's
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 14: going on sit at New Orleans. Just want to make
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 14: sure that offer condolences to all those that are affected. Obviously,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 14: it's a very unfortunate thing that happened. Kind of puts
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 14: things in perspective, you know, lives being changed like that,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 14: and just want them to know that both me, the team,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 14: and the organization definitely offer our heartfelt condolences. All right,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 14: So you know, this game looks the last game of
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 14: the season, and you know the guy, you know, my
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 14: message to the guys was, we want to finish off
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 14: the season strong, you know, and try to build some
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 14: momentum going into the offseason. I would say, you know,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 14: the guys are they're ready to go, They're ready to go.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 14: We'll see how practice goes today. Obviously, I'm sure the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 14: question will come up, you know, do you want to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 14: see certain players like? Absolutely? And I would say if
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 14: players are healthy, they'll be ready to go. Now as
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 14: far as you know how much they play, how much
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 14: they don't like. I've never been a part of a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 14: team as a player or as a coach going into
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 14: a game not wanting to win, and it's not going
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 14: to change today. So uh, that's that's my message to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 14: the team.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Prob what can you tell us about the conditions Drake?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 14: And also you expect him to start on You're going
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 14: to talk to Drake here in a second. Drake's healthy,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 14: He'll be up practice today and we'll see how it
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 14: goes this week.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: You're another guy who left the Saturday.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 14: He's still in the protocols, so I'm not gonna I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 14: don't want to get too far down that line.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: We'll see how it goes this week.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: Referring to Drake, what factors will be at play when
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: deciding whether he starts Sunday.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my thing.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 14: You know if you talk to Drake, but you will
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 14: hear soon if he's a competitor, he wants to play,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 14: and look, he's still developing, so he'll be ready to go.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: So if he wants to play, will he start.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 14: Drake is our starting quarterback if he's healthy and ready
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 14: to go as we go through this week of practice,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 14: and he'll play.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: Grog.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: You said that you want to make sure that you're
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: winning the game, but also mentioned earlier that you want
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: young players to get opportunities. How much of an opportunity
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: is this game to get those guys more chances?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah, we'll have to see how the game goes.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we went into that decision trying.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 14: To give a veteran player, which you in over you
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 14: know it's not just Yannick, but give him an opportunity
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 14: to catch on with the team that will be in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 14: the postseason. What about just about He's did a great job.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 14: He was great in the meeting rooms, he was you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 14: great out there in the practice field, a veteran that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 14: brought a lot to the table. And wish him nothing
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 14: but the best.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 15: What about Rod For a guy like Drake, you've made
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 15: it this far in the season, there's one game left.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: What about the risk of injury now with just.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: This one game?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean that's that's any position. I know oftentimes
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 14: we focus on the quarterback spot, but that's part of
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 14: playing football.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: That's saying that the team.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 16: Because you weren't over here, everyone.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 14: Else the team, look the team. Everyone that's healthy will
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 14: be ready to play and are expected to play.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: You know, I think it was one of you dress
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: you get Yeah, sure did you getting some time.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: With him?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: I know you know what's happening with with Kobe.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 14: I would say it's still all up in there, all
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 14: three quarterbacks as we've carried two, and the emergency quarterback
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 14: will be ready to go.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 16: You what have you seen from do since you've gone
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 16: in the building and here goly mad.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 14: To Twitter is Yeah, just you know, I think you know,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 14: his ability to read coverages has definitely improved. Look, he
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 14: has all the physical tools. I would say the commander
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 14: of the huddle has also improved, and he's done a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 14: good job on the show teams throughout the week.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 16: So you talk about laying a foundation, which portions of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 16: the foundation do you feel our most solidly laid so
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 16: far in terms of from last January to.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: A year later.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 14: I'm not going to get into, like, you know, the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 14: different position groups, but I would think that we offer.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: I mean cultural room.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, going back to look, these guys have come
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 14: in here every week, and I know our record is
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 14: what it is, but they come in here every single
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 14: week during the hard season, ready to work, going out
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 14: there trying to get better, and I think that's huge.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 14: That's part of it.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: What if you've learned about Drake to this point and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: what more.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 14: Could you learn from I feel like we, you know,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 14: we talk about this often. I would just say his
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 14: ability to change the page and learn from his mistakes.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 15: Any reflections on this being the last week of the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 15: season and just what this journey has been like for
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 15: you so far.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it's important to remember where you are
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 14: in the journey and you know, and no one's happy
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 14: with our record or anything like that. But understanding where
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 14: you are in the journey is definitely important.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: Better a coach are you today when you were for
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: a time?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Did you do this process for me?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 14: Like you know, first year doing anything, they are going
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 14: to be growing pains and things like that, and you
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 14: have to you have to learn from those mistakes and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 14: move forward and do the things that you did well
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 14: early in the season and carry them over to the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 14: next season.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 7: Stan Campbell before when doing something about the blob stays
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: time to see you here first year, what stands out
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: to you about how the people to trainees.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 14: Have Well, you know it takes time, but I would say,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 14: you know, you look at those guys now both from
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 14: a roster and a coaching perspective, like from his first
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 14: year to a second year to his third year, all
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 14: those things there was change and you know he got
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 14: it nailed down and those guys are playing well. And
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 14: you know there are other examp about the you know,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 14: other examples, but you know right now, I'm focused on
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 14: the bills for the most part, and that's what we're
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 14: going to do.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: What you said earlier that you know a lot to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: see how the week goes.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 15: Pretty making decisions about forty bucks we will have to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 15: happen during the week to change anything from what.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: You've done the past.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 14: I mean, it's it's been this way the whole year.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 14: You know, you go out there and have a good
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 14: week of practice. We're always competing and you have an
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 14: opportunity in the game and it's not about how many
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 14: snaps you play again, to me, it's the value and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 14: the quality of those snaps that are the most important
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 14: thing as we evaluate.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: What have you learned about yourself this year?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 14: To be a serious this is the same question, you know,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 14: just being resilient. You know, just trying to be resilient
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 14: hasn't gone the way that any of us have wanted
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 14: to go. And it's a huge, huge, huge piece of it.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 14: Steve Jobs, I think you know, he had a quote
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 14: where you have winning seasons or winning years and then
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 14: you have character building years, and this has been one
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 14: of those character building years that I'll always remember.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 16: And you said, I'm sorry that you hear the fans
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 16: in the chance does that affect you know?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 14: For me, it's all about the guys in the locker room.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 14: And look, they're they're disappointed in the record. I understand that.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 14: And look, even with you guys in the media. I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 14: understand what your job is, and that's okay. My thing is,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 14: it's always about the team and it's about winning football games.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 15: Were you concerned or worried about that this could be
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 15: your last game on Sundays?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 14: For me, it's all about just focusing on the Bills,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 14: trying to win that game.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 16: How much work if you have to do on the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 16: Bills are considering you played them just two weeks ago?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, look, you always want to prepare as
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 14: if it's the first time you played them. Look, we
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 14: know those guys, and you know you go back and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 14: look at that game the first half versus the second half,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 14: and you know we were in it for quite some
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 14: time until the second half. It was just it got
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: out of control. So definitely still doing all of our homework.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 14: We're still game planning, approaching it like a like a
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 14: normal week.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 11: Last cool leagues have Elliott already went an ownership heavy
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 11: input on the approach when it comes to who will
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 11: play Sunday.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 14: I'm look, I'm in constant communication with Elliott. I'm in
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 14: constant communication with ownership. And again, I've never been a
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 14: part of a team as a player, or a coach
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 14: where we haven't gone out there and try to win
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 14: the game. So it's those conversations haven't happened.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 8: When you're trying to figure out why these are going wrong?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: How do you purse through what's the result of coaching,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: player execution, talent?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's that's part of it. Like you have to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 14: evaluate everything. You have to evaluate the different processes throughout
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 14: the week. You have to evaluate the coaches that have
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 14: to evaluate myself and have others evaluate me. It's everyone's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 14: under look. When you have a season like this, you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 14: got to evaluate everything, all right, appreciate it happening.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: To year.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: History.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: And Steve wants to know why, Eric, do you hate emailers?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Does hate everybody?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: I hate bad emailers?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: See it doesn't like the weather. Ye see it's raining
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: makes Eric boy. I have to admit now the fact
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: that I had to put jeans on this morning really
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: got me mad. It's like August and I'm went long
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: pants staring at the khaki shorts of SoC not today.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Good thing I warn't too it was cold.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: And Paul wears mom jeans.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: By the way, my jeans are like school. They're so
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: old yeah, and there's so warm acid washed rip jeans.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: They're not even acid washed. They just look at they're
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: like bottom.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 17: You don't have like the like belot shut up.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: I thought he was gonna wear like tight tape.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: That would be I don't do. I don't do the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: euro jeans for obvious reasons.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: That's another great moment from.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: Mark Chado writes in giving Fred's view on try hard
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: guys and wanting them on the team. How on earth
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: did Eric survive for so long working as party good question.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: He wouldn't and couldn't run through a tissue paper wall,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: let alone a real one.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: So that's I just thought.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: I said, let's get right into it. No, No, somebody's back.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: Last one last.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: All right, Eric, you're back, Evan. I'm having some teary
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: eye moments. Do I call you Eric every once a like,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: like once every three weeks. You need to correct me,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: you know, I I understand that you know my name. Okay,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: this is sad. Thanks for making me sad, though, dude said,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: this is the last time I will return to practice
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: from practice of the year, so that's that's upsetting. Anyways,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: Kishon Boody returned to practice. He was back today with
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: that illness, so he's, uh, he looks like he will
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: be all right. And Christian Gonzalez, Ben Brown, and Jalen
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: polk remained absent, so polkan is with the shoulder and
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: then Gonzales and Brown are both in concussion protocol. So
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: looking like another cold, strange game. And I would say,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: looking like no Gonzo the finale.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: On And was there any noticeable splint rap on Drake
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: May's right throwing hand.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: There was not, And we got a pretty good look
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: at it based off of where we were at practice,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: and they were doing a drill trying to throw the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: ball out quickly to the screen outside on the perimeter,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: and they they were doing it pretty uh you know,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: slight of hand type of stuff.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 17: And he looked, fine, Okay, is there a hand injury?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 17: I missed something that finger injury. It's technically a hand
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 17: on the injury rap sheet said fingers.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: I mean that was the whole reason why I went
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: into today thinking, well, maybe he won't play. Yeah, you know,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: let's see what else is going on. There's very windy
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: out there. It was very windy, and do we think
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: it's going to be windy on game day? So was
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: this something that they could, you know, practice in and
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: use to their advantage.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: It's a good point, cool the reason to play Drake May.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: It was incredibly windy out there, and I just find
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: it to be very windy back there where the practice
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: fields are in general, Like I feel like every once
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: the weather turns to winter, it's always like a wind
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: tunnel back there. And I don't know about the weather
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: on Sunday, did not check, but it was definitely a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: weather impacted practice there today.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: Goal post moving.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of arguing with you. Yeah, post
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: moving old. That's that's old me. Sorry, that was just
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: a snarky little It's fine, it's fine.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: What happened when I was gone.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: One of my outs is I'm no longer going to
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: get in petty arguments with Fred.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: No, that's never We're looking at thirty degrees.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like it's going to be cold, but
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: not overly at least sunny today.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean we've had it was warm and rainy,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: and then the wind started and it blew in this
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: cold air from the north.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gonna sit here for a while. It's gonna be
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: pretty cold on Sunday.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but no precipitation.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, is that the word.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: It looks like just cold.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if we got it like a little snow,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: as long as it wasn't like we couldn't travel.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: I started up my snow blower. It started up fine.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: So that means because I was sorry, that's a good point.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Mike about that. Like last year,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they were they gave like that snow game
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: even though this had nothing, you know, Patriots, Jet's last
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: game and the year just playing out the string, but
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: the snow kind of gave you a reason. It's always
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: fun to kind of watch a snow game.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: Yeap, Yeah, is it?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: You know in theory everybody loves I don't know game.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 8: I don't love heard that.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: I don't like snow games. But we had last week
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: just cold and wet.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd rather it be snow coming.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I think last Saturday football. Yeah, so I forty five degrees?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: What do you want?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: I was cold, so I assumed maybe.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: We are definitely we're done with the paths, We're done
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: with pats.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: How was the mood.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 8: It was?
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah? You know it was it was typical mood today,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: typical typical. I think, you know, there's a definitely a
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: sense of last week of school. You know, we're getting
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: to the end all that kind of stuff.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: But sometimes things break down that last week of school.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: That's when kids get in trouble, they act up, you know.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: So I'm thinking mostly of the media. How was the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: behavior among the scribes?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: It was, It was pretty normal. Not everybody was there. Again,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: I think there are some people that still celebrating New
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: Year's out a little bit.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: I think once you get up there, those hangovers last
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: a couple of days.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we're tapped out a little Okay, a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: lot of talk about Gone not making the.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: Pro Bowl a little bit, and you know, he's in
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: concussion protocol so we aren't able to talk to him currently,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: which is kind of a bummer. But yeah, he a
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: little bit. But I think what the general consensus that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: we all kind of came to was, you know, the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: other guys that made it over him have a little
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: bit more brand recognition, have been in the league a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: little bit longer, so you know, he's gonna have to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: have some proof of concept here before you're starting to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: be in the conversations with Pat Sertan and Denzel Ward
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: and you know, guys that have done it for multiple years.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: So this feels like the foundation has been laid for
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: him to be one of those accolades guys. And now
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: you know next year, if he repeats it, he'll get it.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: And how many of the ball knowers will be visibly
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: upset if the Patriots win this game?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: I would say it depends on how far down they
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: go down the draft order. Obviously they can only go
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: down to four, right, but you know, you never know,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: maybe like the Giants like pull off an upset two
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: or something like that.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: But let's let's say they end up in like, will
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: they be will there be certain ball knowers very very upset?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: There'll definitely be certain people very very upset. But the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: true ball knowers now that in this draft, like it's
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: probably not going to make a major difference. And I
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: understand that we all are hoping and praying that a
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: team is going to send a package for the number
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: one overall pick to draft Shador Sanders or cam Ward,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: but it just that's not the temperature of the situation
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: right now at the draft, and so you're probably gonna
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: end up drafting the same guy, right, Like, if you're
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: targeting Kelvin Banks, he's you're you're probably gonna end up
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: drafting the met four instead of at one. And at
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: that point, what difference didn't really make.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Question for you because we talked about it before you
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: got here. Yeah, this urger No, No, the Penn State
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: quarterback the players, does he go to the top of
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: the heap?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, No, he's I would say, early day
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: three guy at bet really, so you.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Know people are talking about him as being a potential
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: top ten pick. Jesus, I'm not kidding. I heard a
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: guy on yesterday. It was a guy from PFF. It
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: was their college guy who was on EEI, and he
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: said that there's a lot of evaluators that think if
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: he changes his mind, he'd be a top ten pick.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: That's crazy. If he goes back to school and has
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: a good year next year and really shows improvement, I like,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: you know that happens like that. I think that there's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: a skill set there, absolutely, But the way that this
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: draft is being talked about already is driving me crazy. Yeah,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: just especially for people that you know, it's now unfortunately
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: more interesting to talk about the Patriots draft strategy than
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: it is to talk about the Patriots. So it's just
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: like everybody now needs to be a draft expert because
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: it's the more interesting story to talk about what they're
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: going to do in the draft. And there's been some
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: some questionable takes to say that.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: And judging from your Twitter account, I'd say you're not
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: a scibedo oh God fan, but.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, like it just skivvy. Look, he had a
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: great game yesterday. I thought it was really cool that
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: he won MVP of the game. I thought he was
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: the MVP of the game. So like, good for him.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: But you know there's some people that didn't even have
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: him in like the top one fifty of this draft,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: you know a week ago. Now this there will be
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: people that in the league that will love the try,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: hardness and all that element of it. There will be,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: but that skill set is tough. I mean, it's one
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: thing to run over a nineteen year old. It's another
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: thing to run over a grun man. You know.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: But he's a big guy, Like he's thick. He's a
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: big guy. He's five eleven, two fifteen, and the thing
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: that I would say about him.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: Looks bigger than two fifteen.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't. He doesn't make anyone miss correct. So
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: all of his you know yards, it's all broken tackles,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: which means very short shelf life. I think he's a
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: tremendous college player. I've been talking about this guy for
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: about two months when he played, when he played am
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: I Wrong's guy. I fell in love with him watching
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: him against BYU. I think one one night on SPN,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: happen to catch another couple of games. I've never seen
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: a guy so consistently make people just like just fall
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: by his wayside, like they just like bounce off of him.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: He twist, he turns, he just gets every yard. I
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: just think that he's racking up all these touches in college.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Now he doesn't get any easy yards five years max.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Like he's going to take so many hits.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: My guess is that what's there?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you go watch this, go watch the watch
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: the Big twelve championship game against Iowa State, and again,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Evan's point is a thousand percent. It's a thousand percent right.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: He's bowling over guys that are playing for Eyewa State.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: You're not going to do that, you know in the NFL.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't work that way. So I love
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: watching him play. He's absolutely a try hard but he
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: has a lot of ability too, And I just don't
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: know how good he'll be in the NFL.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: My guess is that he sneaks into the top one
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: hundred because of the character and because of the intangibles.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: Like some Jim Harbaugh somebody like that is going to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: just be swooning over this guy.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: He's totally a Jim harb. That's a great call.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, someone like that will be like, well,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: we could take them. You know, this guy's more maybe
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: physically gifted than Skataboo. But no one's going to run
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: through a brick wall like this kid, is, right, no.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: One's going to yell at his lineman when they miss
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: a block like this kid will.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so you play him a full back? I mean,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: could you mean you could? I don't know if he's
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: done any lead blocking, Like I don't have.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: To be about two thirty though to be a full back.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: But to your point, he probably, like you say, he
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: looks like that's just what he's listed at im. I
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: have no idea. I know that they again, I'm on
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: the Scataboo thing here, like I heard this whole thing
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: about how last year he was considered a very selfish player,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: and the coaches were really on him. They said, you
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: know what you want more? You want to want to
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: maximize your bill. You need to lose weight. You're too
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: heavy and you're not fat, You're not quick enough. You
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: need to get in better shape. And he did. So.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the whole two fifteen thing, but you know,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: he kind of isn't necessarily two fifteen anymore.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: I I just.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I just love watching the guy play I do.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 8: I have to be.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Honest, defense, Why not Patrick Ricart.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: He's throwing up in between plays and like throwing throwing bombs,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: He's catching bombs. It was unbelievable.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: It was an unbelievable college game.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: It was unbelievably fun to watch that game, unfortunately the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: only one.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he gets so kind of watching these games only
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: through the NFL lens instead of just watching like, here's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: a great college kid.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: And that way I look at it. I looked at it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: There's the purity of it. I was just watching. No, seriously,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: he just Mike just nailed it, like he's a great
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: college player.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: Who cares if he's sick.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: But who cares if he doesn't end up being a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: great pro player. He's a great college player. Christian Laighton.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: I mean I get the same thing with some of
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 8: the high school games that I would watch where it's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: just like there's a kid on the team. You're like,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: this guy is awesome. You know, I don't know what
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 8: you think. Yeah, it's big news. He's going to go
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: to end of college is great, amazing to go play
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: college football.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: But your school had one of the greatest of all times.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 8: Right, Cody lockbowm Gordy Lockbomb roasted like.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: So did you have to watch Gordy Lockbaum the whole time?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: It's say he's who cares?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 8: He's just a great athlete.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: And I will say, if there's a strength of this draft,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: it's the running back class. The running back class is
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 6: absolutely loaded. So I do think that that hurts him
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: a little bit. Like if it was a weaker running
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: back class, we might be talking about him going a
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: little bit higher. But this running back class goes like
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: probably fifteen deep.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: So that round to Scataboo get taken in fourth listening
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: be objective four, he's objective question for you, and.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: We gotta hurry Ashton gent Do you notice his helmet
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: is more like a race car driver, it's got the bottom.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: I did not notice that, but I didn't. The only
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: one that I did notice was that when he played
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: a real team, didn't look as.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: Good as we only had one hundred and two yards.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Carries and two fumbles.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean when I'm sorry when you're not playing
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: you know State, you know he's a good da.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 8: He's the one will need.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: To Yeah, Midgie, State's good and good in hockey.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 6: Interesting, it's not East Carolina.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: He was pretty good against Oregon. He has good moves,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: so that the good.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: The Oregon one is the one game that everybody cites
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: with him. But what did he do? He was great
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: against Oregon. Look at how they did against Ohio State.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: All right, now it's time for real this time, get
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: into our picks. Paul. What happened last week?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: And it was winning? All right? Another another strong week
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: for the Crew. Three way tie at the top between
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Alex Fred and Paul fourteen and two.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: Off my game this week.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Mike thirteen and three and Evan twelve and four.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: Really good, way, I told you it was really I
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: know I have had off weekend.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: With the spread Paul twelve and four, Evan eleven and five,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Fred and Alex nine and seven, and Mike eight and eight.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: I fell apart with the spread, So overall.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Evan I believe it just has a commanding lead that
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: will not be caught one eighty three and seventy three,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: followed by Alex at one, seventy eight and seventy eight.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Paul won seventy five and eighty one, and Mike and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Fred Poopamoji won seventy two and eighty four double poop
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: with the spread. This is a little bit more interesting
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: now Evan has a double crown still one forty eight,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: one oh three and five and only a one game
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: lead over Ball one forty seven, one oh four and five.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: In our quest to find out what's more important, ball
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: knowing or analytics. Fred one forty two, one O nine
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and five. That's another one I promised I would eliminate
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: in the new year. Fred one forty two, one O
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: nine and five, Mike won forty one eleven and five,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: and Alex Poopamoji one thirty five one sixteen and five.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: Candl a really good record for everybody. The fact that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: the JOS person is that much over five hundred.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: And I would be remiss if I did not include
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: the folks. This is your lock of the week pick.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Fred wins this week he took Tampa and giving seven
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: and a half and one easily over Carolina. You're now
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: three and five in your block of the week. Okay,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: I can't be perfect? All right?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: All right? We start for sure, no Thursday night game,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: so we start on Saturday with a doubleheader. It starts
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: at four point thirty on ESPN, ABC, ESPN plus, ESPN Deportes.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: It's the three and thirteen Browns against the eleven and
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: five Ravens.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, folks, the Ravens by eighteen.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Really, oh lord, assuming they have something to play for?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: What they have to win the division?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a lot of points.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: Ravens by eighteen.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, divisional game. Oh man, that's a really hard pick.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: There's a chance I don't know if this has been
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: named yet, but there's a chance that old friend Bailey
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Zappi Apps will be the Browns quarter Well.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 8: Sometimes that's right, but not today now, I don't know. Man,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with Baltimore. I'll lay the eighteen. That
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: seems crazy, but I think they got something to play
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 8: for and there they'll play hard.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: Too many points for me, I'll take the Ravens, but.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take the eighteen.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing as Alex. I.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: Even though the Ravens do have something to play for,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: they're in the playoffs, like, it's not like it's a
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: real do or die. So I don't think they totally
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: empty the clip on this one.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: So I I, this is gonna be strange because you know,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think a whole lot of Zappy. But if
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Zappy plays, I would take the points. Yeah, dtr, I'd
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: lay the points. I'm going to say that that Baltimore
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: blows them out in this, I'm gonna take Baltimore.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: Boltways, the question is like, how early does the game
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: declare itself and if it does, how early do the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: Ravens take their foot off the pedal? Like if they
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: get a fourteen point lead, did they.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point, that's a good point. Once
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: the game is won, maybe they don't cover because they
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: don't have to.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: That's my point. That was why.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: So that's why I'm gonna say the Ravens do not cover.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: It's not a lock. Can I change that's a swaying?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: Aren't you can to change?
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: This is?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: This is a movie. Fred, I don't argue with I
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: take his advice. Now, I don't argue with him anymore.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna Fred just suade me. That's a really good
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: point I'm gonna take at.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: The same point. And he didn't say it was a
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: good take everybody else, No, I just said that I
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: didn't think they were going to empty the cliff to
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: win this game.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you are a ball mo wer, all right. Now.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: We moved to Saturday night at eight o'clock again, the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: same line up ESPN, ABC, ESPN plus ESPN Deportes eight
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: and eight Bengals at the ten and six Steelers Cincinnati
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: by two.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: I like this game. I like it, and I think
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 8: I'm going to go with the Bengals here. I think
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: Joey Burrow feeling like pittsburghs been falling apart a little bit,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 8: and I just feel like Cincinnati just lay it all online,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: go out there, sling it right. Give me Cincy.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: I usually like the Steelers at home to at least cover,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: but a big enough spread for me, Bengals, Bengals.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna pick the Steelers in this game. I know
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: they've been playing poorly, but I think that they get
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: back in gear this week. And for the Bengals, you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: need a lot of things to go right to make
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: the playoffs. I just don't really feel like they're already
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: doing press conferences where it sounds like they are kind
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: of turn the page a little bit. So I'm gonna
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: go Pittsburgh.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will say that Pittsburgh is gonna take
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: the field knowing that they can't move because Baltimore is
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: gonna have won, which I find surprising that they allowed
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: that to happen. The NFL, you guys, you know you
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: and you're ilk Fred that are so worried about the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: competitive balance of these games that they set it up
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: like this. I'm gonna take Cincinnati both ways because I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: do agree that Pittsburgh needs to play better, but I'm
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: not sure that they'll be emotionally in it.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Three weeks ago, I had Mike Tomlin as my
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: coach of the Year, but the way the Steelers have
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: kind of fallen off like I didn't, he hasn't gotten
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: these guys playing the way I thought they would down
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: the stretch. Uh So I'm gonna go with my hated
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: Bengals both ways to win this game. Plus Joe Burrow,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: I think incredible season. Yeah, and if he has, if
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: he finishes with a big, big game, he could have
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: over forty five hundred yards and over forty touchdowns or
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: something like that, and he'd be one of five players
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: to do that or something like that.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm gonna go with Bengals both ways. I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: think they pilot.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Already be in the forties, right ye for a touch
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: something like.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: That, it's forty five and forty five.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: Maybe spend a very good quarterback here at.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: The top, I mean when Patrick Mahomes is not a
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: pro bowler.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: Sunday at one CBS four and twelve, Panthers at the
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: eight and eight Falcons Bowl.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, Panthers Falcons Atlanta by eight.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: Boy takes yikes. I'll take it La at home, but
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna take the points for Carolina Division game. Atlanta's
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 8: still in it, right are they out?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: They are still in it. They need a Tampa loss
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: at home to New Orlean.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll take Atlanta to win, but I'll take the
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 8: points for Carolina. It's a close one.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: I will also split the baby.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: I've been I liking Carolina, but they got blown out
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: last week by Tampa Bay, so I think that they
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: have let go of the rope. I'm taking Atlanta both ways.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take Atlanta both ways too, because I
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: think Michael Pennix has given the offense a you know,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: a lift. So I think there'll be too many points
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: for Carolina.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I this is a lock of the week. Falcons cover,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: Falcons cover.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: The falcons covering is the lock of the week. Yeah,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: asterisk is that I got it? Okay, I got it.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: Fox at one o'clock, eleven and five, Commanders at the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: seven and nine.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Cowboys Washington by four and a half.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 8: Does this game mean anything?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: I do not know if Washington can move seeds. Yeah,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: and I know that, but I don't know if they can.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 8: I'll take Washington to win. I'll take the points for Dallas.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: I think it's a close one.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: I'll take Washington. I'll lay the points.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: So I thought that Dallas was actually playing pretty hard
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: down the stretch here, considering that they've been out of
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: it for a while, and then last week happened. They
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: lose forty one to seven, to a backup quarterback, So
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: I'm taking Washington both ways.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Ended up being the third string quarterback.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's an ugly loss.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take Washington both ways as well. Even
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: if they can't improve their seed, I think they have
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: more to play for.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: Obviously, the fact that the Cowboys got blown out last week.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: I was trying to talk myself into them. They're gonna
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: come back and play hard and cover, but I'm gonna
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: go with the Commanders both ways. I just can't talk
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: myself into taking the Cowboys. All right, one o'clock on Fox,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: the four and twelve Bears at the eleven and five
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: Packers the.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Pack by ten.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 8: Oh boy, it's these huge spreads like every game. I'm
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 8: just tempted to say that they're gonna be closed. Take
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 8: the favorite, but they're gonna be closed. But uh, you know,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 8: green Bay tough loss. I'm gonna I'm gonna take green Bay.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 8: I'll lay the points. Bounce back at home against Chicago.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: I feel the same way.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean green Bay is really locked into where
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: they are, like they can't win the division. Obviously, even
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: playing everybody in this game, I feel like this might
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: be a rest game.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know to.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: Judging by the spread, I think they might be.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take green Bay, but I'm gonna take Chicago
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: to cover because i don't know. I don't know if
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: green Bay is playing for anything in this game.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're playing a team that is not good. So
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: I'll take green Bay both ways. When they play teams
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: with pulses, they lose. Yeah, Detroit twice, lost in Minnesota, twice,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: lost in Philadelphia.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the wisdom of the big houses,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: and I'll say that the Packers.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: The big houses too cover.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: That's you know, the big ones like Caesars.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: And Yeah, MG, Sid Diamond, I'm with you.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: I have a Sid Diamond.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: It's still around. I doubt it.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: What was he Bally's.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: I think he was Bally's. You might have been not
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: the Tropic. He was one of those old school ones,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: the Tropic.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 15: Uh.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: Sunday at one on Fox, the four and twelve Jaguars
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: at the seven and nine Colts Indy by five.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: F yikes, Mac Jones closing it out.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 9: Huh.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 8: These games are so terrible. Gross loss to for Indy
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 8: last week. I'm going to take Jacksonville on the road
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 8: with an upset Go Mac.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: Colts.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: Colts, I think we all should be thanking Mac Jones
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 6: for winning that game last week for the Patriots, and
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 6: I I'm going to take him again. I really liked
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: what I've seen out of Brian Thomas Junior. I think
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 6: he is the real deal, and I think he has
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: another big game against the Colts defense that has really
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: struggled here.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about the quarterback
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: class and how good they've been, and they have been
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: all of them, but the wide receiver class, so some
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: good rookie years for wide receivers like Brian Thomas that
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: that have mentioned. I'll take Jacksonville to US boys, not
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: all of them.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: If this game was in Jacksonville, I'd be picking the Jaguars.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: But the Colts win. But they do not cover. They
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: do not cover.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: Sunday at one CBS, the three and thirteen Giants at
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: the thirteen and three Eagles.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: Uh the Eagles by three. Evidently no Saquon no anybody? Yeah?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 8: No, can he Piickett? Who is the quarterback number three?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: H gosh, I'm not sure. I'll take Philly at home
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: it's just hard with it. You don't know who's playing
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: or yeah, I'm just I play for.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Philly.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: I'm taking Philly both ways. I just it's a culture
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: win for the Eagles. I just think that the Giants
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: culture is broken and that Tanne McKee can kind of sling.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 8: It Philly Giants that are like, we gotta beat them.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: They took from us.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 8: We gotta show them.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Just I'm gonna take Philly both ways. But the way
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: the Giants played last week, that you know, they probably
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about themselves.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 8: Neighbors.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: So did any of you guys hear this rumor that
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: the Giants already had a what if deal with the Patriots?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: What what like?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: What if? What like?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: Wherever we like, we'll have a you'll you'll talk to
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: us about trading trading one pick this year, like depending
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: on where we end up. They have scenarios for No.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: I haven't where was this eminating? I I just asked
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: you if you've heard that. I have not neither of
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: I but he's challenging me. I can't even make it
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: through a whole show.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: I got I got you there, Huh, what are talking?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the Giants winning and the football
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: God saying she serves the Eagles. Right, Yeah, giants win
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: the game, would because you played to win. I told
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: the story about John Maddens sent Tom Coughlin a letter
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: after that seven game where the Giants played to win
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: the last game of the season, saying, thank you for
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: playing football the way it's supposed to be played. Play
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: to win every game.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: That's fair.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: He said, I'm almost a little emotional writing this letter
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: to you.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: I just will never forget. Wes Welker tearing his.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: A c L Week seventeen in Houston.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: Woll do you have to be out there they We're
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: gonna get them out quick.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: They lost, They lost the game that you insisted they won,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: and they lost their best.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: Player and they lost in the million.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, before anybody jumps on me, non Brady category.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one o'clock on Fox, the five and eleven Saints
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: are at the nine and seven Buccaneers.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Bucks Winker Bacon and they win the division. They're favored
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: by thirteen and a half to do so well.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: Definitely taking Tampa. I'm gonna go Tampa all the way.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 8: I think they they come out and blow doors get
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 8: in the playoffs.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: Tampa, Tampa.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take Tampa, but I'm gonna take the Saints
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: to cover because I just feel like Tampa's got a
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 6: little bit of that, you know. They just get a
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: little choking them sometimes and like just a little tight button,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 6: you know. And I just think that they Yeah, I
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 6: think they win, but I think it's a little closer
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 6: than they want to.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna lay the points Tampa both ways. I
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: think they blow doors.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think they score too many points. And
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: if there's one way you can kind of lay down
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: in a game, it's defensively, you know, and.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: Especially if you don't have any offense to sort of
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: get in a fight.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: Yep. So Buccaneers cover one o'clock on CBS nine and seven.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: Texans at the three and thirteen Titans.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Evidently Houston is laying down in this game because the
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Titans are favored by one and a half.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: Say what, that's weird. I don't believe them. I'm going
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 8: with Houston.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: Me too, Me too. I think all these games where
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: guy teams are resting people, I don't think it outweighs
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 6: the fact that they're winning teams and they actually have
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: a winning culture and people actually want to be playing
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: for their times.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: So it's a good way of putting it.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna go Houston.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take the Texans both ways, me too.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: All right, now we move to the second half because
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: we're skipping over the Patriots. At one o'clock, we go
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: to four to twenty five, No. Four or five games
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: on Fox, the six and ten forty nine Ers at
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: the seven to nine Cardinals Evans Cardinals.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, Arizona by four, he said, Mark, I thank Do
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: you have it the other way?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: I don't have it actually right now?
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, that is what they have. No brock party, Arizona
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: by four. Yes, no brock party.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: They echo, Arizona at home. Then with that one, is.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: It because he's hurt?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got hurt.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Later in the game.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 6: You might have a tennis elbow. Really yeah, I know
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: something about that.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: A little straps on it, strap it on, Brett, that's
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: it can be. Yeah, I had it. You couldn't even
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: lift a can of coke.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: That's why I asked you about it.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: Or pepsi.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 7: Zona Zona.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: Uh. I am going to go with the forty nine
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: ers in this game. I feel like I like how
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: they've played, even though they didn't beat Detroit. I thought
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: they were they tried, they were competitive.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: Just trying to save Kyle she and his job as well.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: They already said he's coming back, That's what they said.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: The fact that we even had to ask the question
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 6: is ridiculous.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: So who's throwing for the forty nine ers?
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Brandon Allen maybe sounds he played the other game that
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: party couldn't play any good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm taking Arizona
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: both ways.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, Josh Dobbs, Sorry, Josh Dobbs.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: I came into the game last week.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: I'll double down in Arizona.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: Four cbs, the fifteen and one Chiefs at the nine
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: and seven Bronco Huge game.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: This is the big game in the AFC that affects
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of other teams. Denver by ten and a half.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: Geez, yeah, that's a lot.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 8: I like Denver to win. I'm gonna take the points.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: So I just I even you said everybody in Kansas City,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: I still see him keeping it close in the division.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 8: So I'll take Kansas City the points.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 6: Same is Pat playing, No he's not. But I'm gonna
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: do the same thing because I'm sticking with my culture
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: theme here. I think Kansas City has got enough fight
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: in them to keep it competitive. Good defense, but I'm
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: gonna take Broncos to win.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your culture thing a step further. I'll
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: take Kansas City to win the game.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: I like that.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: That's a no no, no, no no no. That's just just
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: an upset that I think they might be a little
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: little choke going on with with Denver. I thought they
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: were playing for a tie last week. I didn't care
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: for that, even though the tie got them in the playoffs.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: They did they then he admitted it. Peyton admitted it
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: after the game. Then, Yeah, we knew what tie would
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: get us in the playoffs.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: Defense does travel, and when you're playing the Broncos, you
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: always have to travel.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: So the Chiefs cover. They don't win, but uh but
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: they do cover.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: So everybody likes the points. Anyway.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: Yep, Bronco was nine and seven. That mirrors their home schedule.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, quit on the first one. That's much better.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: I couldn't follow through with that and fox the nine
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: and seven Seahawks at the ten and six Rams.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Uh the Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah, ROMs Seattle by six and
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: a half. I'm sorry all the way around, Rams by
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: six and a.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 6: Half because I have Seattle is Stafford her? Maybe you
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 6: had that Stafford her.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Stafford's not playing, he's resting.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: So Rams are locked in.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, I haven't sure because I have it as
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Seattle because I wrote plus six and a half. Oh
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, no, yeah, yes, it's Seattle's favorite. I
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: have it written right, I just read it wrong. Gotcha,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Seattle by six and a half. This game is at
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: galar uh.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna keep going weird with splitting the baby. I
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: would take the Rams to win, but I'll take the
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 8: points for Seattle.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: What no, see that's favored by that's my fault. I
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: read it. Oh my sorry, Seattle's favored by six and
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: a half.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: I got you. I'll take Seattle out right then?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, me too, So Seattle's eliminated.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, strength of victory.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 8: Where's the program?
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna who's got the better program?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: You're so right, you're so right, And I'm gonna go
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: with the Rams because you know I'm sticking with the pants.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 6: Are Rams to win?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I'm with I'm with that. Jimme go up. Yeah, I
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: mean I think Garoppolo is you know, he's a competent quarterback.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: They should be able to move the ball and put
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: some points on the board. I'll take the Rams to
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: win at home. I am too.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: I think Garoppolo still thinks he can start in this
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: league and it's a good day to prove it. So
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: Rams win four to twenty five, CBS ten and six.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: Chargers coming off a huge win against the four and
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: twelve Raiders.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lack by four and a half.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: Oh, they're predicting that they're gonna rest and they're in.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: They're definitely arrest some people. But you know what, it's
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: another culture game division. I'm gonna take the lack, Lack
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 8: and lay the Chargers. Okay, lack and lay.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: I'm doing the same thing. I'm sticking to my guns
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 6: on this one. I think the Raiders are they might
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 6: be firing a coach come Monday morning. I think that
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: that team is in for an overhaul again.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: One two in a row.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: Chargers frisky.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 8: They're playing hard for him.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: There are a certain part owner is gonna walk in
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: on Monday.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: See you're fired, You're fired.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Lack. Also, I don't know why,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: but I'll take.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 8: The last respectful to the goat.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: If I'm watching Mike.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Chargers as well, both ways.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: Four to twenty five Fox eight and eight Dolphins at
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: the four and twelve Jets.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Another game with implications. The Dolphins by one.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: Dolphins can still make Denver loses.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Miami's in with a win, and I believe I'll take
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: believe no Tua again.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's still crazy. It's gonna be Scooper.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: I can't. I want to take Miami. I'll take Miami's Snoop,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 8: isn't it. Give me, give me the gim me, give me,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: give me the.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Dolphins, give me, give me, gimme the Dolphins.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess me too.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 6: So these are two teams that have zero Pro bowlers,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: the Patriots one Pro.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Bowler by the way. By the way, add in the
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: number two seed Buffalo Bills have two. Yeah, so three
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Pro bowlers in the division.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: So if Gonzo gets named an alternate, then we're tied
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: with the Bills. So basically we are just.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 8: As talent talent.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 6: Anyways, I'm gonna go with the Dolphins in this game
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: against the Jets. The Jets are I don't know about
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: those Jets. They're Aaron Rodgers maybe out. I don't know.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: They're gearing up for the trade in the off season
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: with the Patriots.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 6: The Force trade.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'll take the Jets. I don't believe in
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley. I thought he played reasonably well last week.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do it again.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: It's a tough one. Do the Jets come out wanting
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: to play? That's the question, like I would, is there
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: a reason for them to? Is there a reason for
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: them to come out and put up a good performance
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 5: that final game? I say yes, I think they do
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: win this game eight twenty on NBC Universo, Telexitos and Peacock.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: This is the game of the week. The fourteen and
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: two Vikings at the fourteen and two Lions.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: Winner take all Lions by two and a half.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 8: Wow, love it just I mean, two of the feel
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: good stories of the year.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: Right, fourteen and three and get in the fifth seat.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 8: That's crazy. That shot though, of Kevin O'Connell watching Sam
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: Donold get like lifted up, I mean, was that Connor
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 8: standing there right on his face?
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: It was kind of cool.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was incredible.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 8: I'm really tempted to take Minnesota on this one, and
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 8: you know what, I'm gonna do it. I think they
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 8: upset Detroit at home, just injuries catching up with Detroit
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 8: at the end, and Minnesota just seems like they're peaking
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 8: right now. So I gotta go to Minnesota.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go to the Lions.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: This is your coach of the year by a landslide,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 6: I think at this point with yeah, Kevin o'ca, I mean,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: fourteen and two with Sam Darnold like that, that's pretty incredible.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: And I'm gonna take the Vikings to win this game.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 6: The Lions defense cannot stop anybody, and I worry really
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 6: about their whole longevity in the playoffs too with that defense.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, the forty nine ers move the ball at
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 6: will in that game last week. So I'm taking the Vikings.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: I really thought I was going to be alone on this.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: I'm taking the Vikings also. I just feel like their
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: defense will at least get a stopper too and make
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: life a little bit more difficult. That's how Detroit's trying
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: to win games now is they're just saying, we need
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: to score every time. We're going to go for fourth
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: down every time because we know we have to protect
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: our defense, and Minnesota's defense should be able to get
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: a stop or too and keep it, you know, around thirty.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: And if that happens, I think the Vikings win the game.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: I think you're all speaking my language. I think the
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: Vikings win this game. The battle for the NFC, I
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: think it's the Vikings all right. Now we move back
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: to one o'clock on CBS. It's the game of our week.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: The thirteen and three Bills at the three and thirteen Patriots.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: Buffalo by TWOFOWO what thirteen?
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 6: Every other team that's resting starters is not favored in.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 8: I just feel like the way things have been going
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 8: this year, this feels like a Patriots win to me.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 8: It feels like this is the game. They pull it
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 8: together and they play right, and they knock off the
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 8: backups and maybe Joe Milton throws a touchdown or something.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 8: But I got New England winning. I'll say twenty to sixteen.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: I don't feel that way. I'm gonna say Bills those
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: twenty eight Patriots fourteen.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: I feel the same way as Deuce. I mean, how
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  Speaker 6: other way could you finish the season like this? By winning?
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  Speaker 6: To lose the number one pick. It's just extremely fitting
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  Speaker 6: for how this is all gone, is that this would
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  Speaker 6: be the game that they kind of put it together
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  Speaker 6: and have a decent game when they don't want to
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  Speaker 6: win the game. Yeah. So I'm going to go Patriots
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 6: twenty seven to twenty over the Buffalo Bills. And I
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 6: think Drake May plays for the majority of not the entire.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 8: Game, And you're pulling your hair out from start to finish.
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  Speaker 1: I really have nothing, no idea what you expect this game.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to take Buffalo because I think their backups
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: are going to play, and I think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: play hard. I would give the Patriots a better chance
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  Speaker 1: if there was a smattering yeah, you know, and they
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: were like kind of played the whole game like they
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: did the first half in Buffalo, like with no intensity.
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  Speaker 1: But Mitch Trubisky, he's like he's a backup for a reason,
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  Speaker 1: but he will go out and play hard. I think
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  Speaker 1: it'll I think they'll be hard pressed.
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  Speaker 6: He's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty three to twenty Buffalo.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be apropos for this season for the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: to win this game, exactly right, and they will eleven to.
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  Speaker 1: Three, eleven to three, is just beautiful.
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  Speaker 6: Get into eleven.
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  Speaker 5: Some weird rule.
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  Speaker 6: Score, it's like.
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  Speaker 7: Three field goals in a safety or that's.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm usually into the numbers.
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