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How much better can Auburn basketball be next season? · The Auburn Undercover Podcast

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[music]
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Welcome back everybody to another
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edition here of the Auburn Undercover
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[music] podcast on the 247 sports
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network. My name is Nathan King. [music]
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Joined here today by Isaac Troder, CBS
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Sports, college basketball expert.
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Hopefully you guys remember him from a
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few podcasts in the past. He's been on
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the show many times to talk about Auburn
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Hoops and talk about the SEC. and we
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thought we'd have him on today to talk
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about what's been an interesting off
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season for uh for the league. Obviously,
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it's been a couple years now of the SEC
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being a really really good uh conference
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in basketball. Nothing's going to be
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able to touch where they were a couple
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years ago, but uh Isaac, I think
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particularly in the transfer portal, I'm
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interested to hear uh what you thought
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of how the league has improved itself.
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There's been a bunch of transfer classes
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up there at the very top, but uh first
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of all, just wanted to check in, see how
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you're doing. It's good to have you back
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on the show. I know we were talking
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before we got before we got going about
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the NBA draft coming up and being a big
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focus for you guys. I haven't thought
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about it that much because Auburn has
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been used to having guys. They may have
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a late guy, late round guy in Keshan
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Hall this year. I'm interested to see
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what NBA thing NBA teams think of him
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though because he's sort of like glass
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cannon offense. So interested to see
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where he goes. Yeah, I don't I don't
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know if we'll hear his name called in
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the second round, but it's such a
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watered down uh NBA draft so you just
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never really know. But yeah, I'm doing
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well. I I feel like this time of year is
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interesting because free agency just
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basically just ended and now we can get
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a really good glimpse of what these
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rosters look like. And yeah, I think you
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you hinted at something where you're
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like, I don't know if the SEC will touch
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what it was a couple years ago. I agree
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with that in theory, but if there's any
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league that could this year, I think
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it's the SEC again because some of the
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moves that teams have made in the
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offseason are just high level. I think
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there's been a separation I think where
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the SEC's money has come into play and
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um built some really really dynamic
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rosters to towards the top of the
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league. And I'll be honest, you know, I
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would put Auburn into that mix of
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offseason winners. You know, I think
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there's been a lot of concerns about the
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direction of the program after how last
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year went, but this spring was a really,
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really strong spring for Steven Pearl.
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and I'm heading into 2026 27 under the
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impression that Auburn is a no doubt NCA
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tournament team with top 25 upside.
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>> Yeah, I think that's obviously, you
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know, that's where they want to get back
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to. Um, last year was a bit of a blip on
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the radar in terms of where they've been
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as a program, but at the same time it
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was um big turnover, you know, the
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biggest possible turnover with Bruce
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Pearl retiring just four months before
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the season started. And um one thing
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that's been interesting, Isaac, you
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know, we've had a few conversations with
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Steven since the season ended. And it's
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it's very clear that he,
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you know, last year's team wasn't his,
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if that makes any sense. And I'm putting
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words in his mouth he wouldn't say that
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sort of thing, but he wanted to go out
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and grab guys for this roster that he
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quote unquote thought fit what he wanted
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to do. Um he's a different coach than
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Bruce Pearl. He's got different, you
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know, emphasises on the on both sides of
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the ball. He's a defensive-minded coach.
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Bruce Pearl was was sort of, you know,
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cut his teeth as an offensive coach. And
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so I'll be interested to see on that end
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of the floor how they're able to improve
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because um you know, if you're not
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playing defense under SP at Auburn, it's
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it's not going to be very pretty for you
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on a on a daily basis. But let's just
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let's just talk about the Tigers. You
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know, let's talk about their their
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offseason. I'm interested to hear from
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you outside looking in. you know, like
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we've broken down these guys
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individually as they've committed,
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talking about overseas guys, transfer
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guys, but when you holistically look at
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the five transfers and two overseas guys
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that Auburn added, along with the fact
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that they retain Pedford and Overton, I
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guess we can sort of start there. Um,
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what is your overall impression of, like
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you said, Auburn being a a team that
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could be considered kind of a winner in
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the SEC in terms of what they did on the
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roster? Yeah, I think their interior
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defense is shaped up to be much much
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better next year. And that's a huge
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selling point, I think, moving forward
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because especially in this league in the
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SEC, if you can't defend the paint, you
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can't rebound, and you can't defend the
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rim, kind of dead-on arrival. And I I
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think Auburn obviously last year
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defensively was not where they needed to
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be. Part of that was when I watched
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Auburn games, I felt like they got a
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little bit unlucky where teams just made
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some miracle threes against them over
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and over and over again. And that was a
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a regular trend, but also part of it was
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they they did not guard the ball well
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enough and they did not have enough
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interior bite. This roster I think
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should have that right and for me it
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starts with Narcissis Enoy. I hope I'm
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saying that right. Enjoy. We're we're
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going to learn as we go with all of
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these internationals that come over to
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college basketball. It's a bit of a
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process. Um but 6'1, 7 feet tall with a
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7 foot seven wingspan. He's just
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absolutely enormous. I I look at him as
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a potential starter, but the beauty of
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this Auburn rebuild or retool,
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they don't have to really leverage a ton
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on Enboyy being awesome because they've
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added Bucky Aoyet out of Santa Clara,
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who if you're making a a list of the top
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mid- major bigs. Abboy had one of the
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highest ceilings of all of them. And
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Auburn's obviously recruited mid- major
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bigs at a very high level throughout the
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Bruce Pearl tenure. And obviously we're
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not putting a boy on the same tier as
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like a Janai Broom, but I think that
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combination of a Buoyet and Engoy can
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really buff up this interior defense.
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And I think that having an elite shot
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blocker makes the rest of your life so
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much easier. And I think for a I think
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the first selling point with Auburn is
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like for 40 straight minutes, they're
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going to have a shot blocker who's one
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of the better ones in the league. And
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that's a really really great jumping off
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point for this group.
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>> Yeah. just size, I mean, on in the front
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court was the biggest thing. You I
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talked to Bruce Pearl a few weeks ago
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for a story and he mentioned, you know,
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when he was still the coach and and
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Philip Yoic came to campus, um he was
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like a 69 undersized five, but that's
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not super undersized for the league he
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was playing in, but there's just no way
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to know with these these these overseas
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guys. He gets to campus and he's I think
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Bruce Pearl called him 6'7 with a long
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neck. like they're basically their their
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you know paint bruiser last year was a
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six foot six center and then Keshan
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Murphy I think he deserves a lot of
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credit for what he did last year but at
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the end of the day he was just a 694 man
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and he was their center all season. So
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like you said like it's the the size
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difference to me is the biggest thing
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that that you notice with this roster
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rebuild even a guy like Owen Freeman and
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I wonder if you have any insight on him.
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He's from like Big 10 country. I know
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you you you sort of have a better um
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pers, you know, perspective of that than
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than maybe we do down here in the SEC,
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but I'm interested to see what kind of
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player he is. Um I think he can be a a
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guy who plays It's funny like he'll be
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their small ball center, but he's 6'11.
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Like he's got a lot of size and I don't
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know, I'm interested in him because he
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he was a really good player at Iowa as a
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freshman. Um and then it seemed like
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just injuries derailed any hope of him
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being a good player last year at Kraton.
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>> Yeah, a big bo bet. This is uh a bo on a
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player that was a basically like a 15-8,
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14-8, 16-8 type of guy at Iowa as a
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sophomore. Now, there are some context
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that's necessary, right? Like at Iowa,
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they don't play a lick of defense there.
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So, you can get up and down a little bit
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offensively and so your counting stats
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will look great. But seriously, if you
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kind of go through the rosters, like
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Auburn's one of I can't find another
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roster that could have a guy like Owen
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Freeman who averaged 16 and eight in the
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high major league as a big man who's
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coming off the bench, right? Like that's
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a potential where he could come off the
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bench. You There's not many guys like
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that. Um, offensively, very, very
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polished and skilled. He has great
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footwork. He can finish. He has good
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touch. I think the thing I like about
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him too that Auburn may tap into a
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little bit. We'll see how Mike Berggo
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Master kind of initiates offense, but he
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can dribble a little bit more and kind
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of drive at the basketball. So, you get
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him matched up against, you know, a
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center who's a little bit rickety in
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space. I think Freeman could be someone
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who gives them something like that. Uh,
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but yeah, the last year at Kraton did
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not go well. I mean, this is a guy that,
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you know, I'm a part of the transfer
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portal scouting team. We had him as a
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top 45 transfer. he was paid like a top
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45 transfer like one of the higher paid
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players on that Kraton roster and it
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just didn't work out. Uh part of that
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was injuries but also part of it was he
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just couldn't quite get into a groove
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and didn't play all that well. Um
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defensively it's a problem. He is not a
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good defensive player at this point and
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I think for him to be the best version
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of himself he has to become a better
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defensive player. He fouls a lot. Now
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the now again going back to the the
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beauty of this front court, they don't
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need him to be a 33 minute a game guy.
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So if you're mixing him in for 20 to 22
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to 24 minutes and see kind of how he
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goes. Maybe a hot hand theory of like if
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he's got it really rolling that night,
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you can ramp his usage up. That
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certainly will help. And we know that
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this offense, they will put their most
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talented offensive players in good
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positions to succeed. And I think
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Freeman could be one of their better
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offensive players, even if his counting
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stats are going to come down a little
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bit from those Iowa days.
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To me, when you look at maybe the three
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bins of this roster, the bigs, the
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guards, and the forward/wings,
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um, I think there's no doubt that they
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have, let's say, better personnel in the
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bigs. Like, it's all got to work out.
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Like said, Freeman's got some stuff to
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work out. Bukiao fouled at an
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unbelievable rate last year.
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>> Yeah. So, I mean, there's stuff and Enoy
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is a is an overseas player. Like,
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there's stuff that has to work out. The
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guards, maybe you'd you'd give that an
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improvement as well because you're
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bringing back two really good players.
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To me, maybe the swing position is is
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the forwards because if you're looking
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at like onetoone roster replacements,
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you're taking a guy like a Sebastian
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Williams Adams who was high ceiling,
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like really liked what he could become
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in the future. I think he's going to be
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really good at Vanderbilt. Um, and
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you're replacing him with a guy like
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Adam Olsson from South Alabama. Elijah
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Freeman, also a guy that could be really
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good in the SEC next year. I mean, there
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were some serious flashes for him as
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like maybe a future NBA guy. You're
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replacing him with a guy like a Thomas
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Dow from from Troy and a and and Mantis
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Rubishious from Lithuania to a to an
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extent. So to me that's going to be
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interesting to see whether they're quote
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unquote better a at those like you know
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wing three slash4 positions but uh Olsen
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and Dow are are are guys I think that
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have a lot of upside and you really like
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what they did last season particularly
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Olsen being a guy that um the the Iowa
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State name escapes me in the transfer
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portal but um few guys at that size shot
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the three ball better like they were the
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two best in the uh in the portal and
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then Thomas Dow was a guy that kind of
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just did it all for Troy. Like was was
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kind of like a small ball big man for
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them. And it's funny to hear Steven
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Pearl say, "Yeah, he's kind of a wing
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forward." And it's like he was playing
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down low averaging 12 rebounds a game.
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And so um I don't know. I'm just
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interested to hear your perspective on
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those two guys because um you guys from
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instate, guys from from mid- major
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programs who I think have a lot of
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upside. I I think my concern with Auburn
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might be, man, they just might not be
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quite athletic enough because a guy like
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Freeman leaves and Sebastian Williams
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Adams also leaves. I'm with you. I
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thought both I thought Sebastian
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Williams Adams especially like total
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wrecking ball that this group that
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they've brought in is a little bit more
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skilled than athletic. And so I think
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they may profile as better role player
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bets long term. That's I think the the
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hope with this group, right? Olsen,
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you're right. Comparing him to Iowa
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State transfer Milan Mumsilovich, who
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ended up at Kentucky, when you're six
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foot nine and can shoot the way that
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Olsen can, that gives you a really
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stable floor. And I think that there's
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going to be room for him to get time in
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this rotation, assuming he can guard. I
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still have some questions about some of
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the defensive impact there. I don't have
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a lot of questions about the defensive
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impact with Thomas Dow. Thomas Dow is a
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terrific defensive player and the motor
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with him is off the charts good and he's
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a terrific cutter. That's an underrated
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I think part too about his game that
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will mesh into this offense really well
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because I think you know Auburn's last
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year offense was was outstanding no
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questions asked. But there were times I
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think that the ball movement left a
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little bit to be desired, right? Like
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when you have Keshan Hall on your team,
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you have to play Keshan Hall basketball.
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And so I think that this group could be
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able to move it a little bit better. And
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Dow's cutting connectivity
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as like a passer um as a spacer at times
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who can drive some long closeouts. Like
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some of that stuff will help this group
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offensively find different ways to to be
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impactful. And I think these two guys
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will make Tahad Pedifford better. And I
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think that's part of the calculus here
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with this group is like I don't think
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they're as talented as Elijah Freeman or
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Sebastian Williams Adams, right? Like if
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we're ranking power portal guys of those
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four, it's Williams Adams is one, Elijah
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Freeman would be two, Thomas Dad would
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be three for me with Olsen four. But
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like the ability to get off the ball and
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get pedifered more run and give him more
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space to get into the mid-range, like I
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think they can be additive role players
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where yeah, maybe they're not quite as
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as talented as the guys that they're
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replacing, but the what the the impact
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that they have, the product that they
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have on the roster could be beneficial
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for Auburn long term, especially because
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I think Pedford is uh poised for a
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really really big junior year.
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>> Yeah. And that's a and that's a segue
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here into kind of the last bin that we
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want to talk about and that's the two
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guards they bring back. Um I will
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completely admit and I think I'm not I'm
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far from the only one that kind of
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looked at Todd Todd Pedford's situation
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last season and wondered is he going to
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be back next year. Kind of felt like he
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wasn't going to get you know turn pro
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because he didn't have the uh the flash
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that he did as a freshman. Although as
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I'm sure you know like I think people
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are sleeping on the fact that he was
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better in a lot of areas as a sophomore.
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for, you know, assists, turnovers. Like,
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sure, he wasn't, you know, ripping
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three-pointers as much as he did when he
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had Jai Broom on the floor, but he was
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doing a lot of things really well. I
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just kind of wondered if that would be
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it for him at Auburn, like if he would
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look elsewhere. If you get a lot of
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money, go play closer to home in Jersey.
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Uh, his dad played high school
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basketball with Dan Hurley. Did you know
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that? So,
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>> that's awesome. That's a great kind of
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wondered like, you know, that would make
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sense, right? Like those teams would be
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looking for a point guard.
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um he decided to come back and it really
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I think it said a lot about about him as
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a player and I think or or as a person
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kind of showing that loyalty to a guy
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like Steven Pearl like he really
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wouldn't have blamed him for going
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elsewhere and I talked to his dad for a
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story shortly afterwards and his dad was
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like look I think people don't realize
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how much he loves being at Auburn like
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he he genuinely loves living there and
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he loves the school. Um, he has an
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opportunity. I'm not going to put his
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name up there with guys like Bryce Brown
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and Jared Harper in terms of like Auburn
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guards because they went to the Final
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Four. Now, he went to the Final Four as
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well as a freshman. Um, but he's got an
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opportunity to make a name for himself
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at Auburn. Like three-year five-star
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prospects don't grow on trees anymore.
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Um, so we can talk about him a little
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bit, but then I'm also interested kind
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of a two-parted thing. You mentioned
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being on the on the transfer team at CBS
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and ranking these guys. Um, what did you
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think of Kevin Overton's season and
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where did you what did y'all think of
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him before he went into the year and
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then kind of the offensive explosion he
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had over the last two months of the
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season because I think surprised me and
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it it surprised pretty much everyone
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else as well.
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>> Yeah, I our grade on Overton was very
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much of like um hard playing role player
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who can make spot up threes. We didn't
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think he quite had enough on ball juice
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to be like a top three or four option
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but could make spot up threes. I thought
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he could guard, good cutter,
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competitive, like all of the checks off
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the role player boxes type of deal. And
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I I think we graded him as a SEC
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rotation player is kind of what his
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grade was. I can't remember exactly what
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it was. I think he was like a 92 in the
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portal rankings, but I'd have to go back
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and double check that. Uh I I was
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surprised, too. There were times when I
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watched Overton where he looked a little
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overmatched, and then by the end of the
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year, it's like he really felt like he
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got into a groove of like I can really
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play at this level. And I I've talked
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about the year 2 transfer jump ad
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nauseium. I I think Overton would be in
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line for that, right? Like you saw that
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secondyear jump for Janai. Very
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similarly with Overton in a smaller
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level, right? I think you could see his
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his production or his impact jump 20%.
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Or, you know, like that's a lot of the
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analytical models hint at about a 20%
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growth for transfers who stay for that
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second season at their new school. So, I
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I expect Overton to be one of the like I
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don't think he's an all SEC guard next
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year personally, but I think he can be
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one of the top two-way guards in the
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league, right? Like a he's going to be a
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no doubt SEC's type of starter. Um, but
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the Pedford stuff to get back to him,
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like keeping Tahad Pedifford is the
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equivalent of landing a top 15 transfer.
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Like that's the stuff that I think we
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have to get through in roster building
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and it doesn't show up. I wish we had
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retention rankings in the portal. I we
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don't have that. I really wish we did.
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But like keeping a player like
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Pedaphford status is just absolutely
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enormous. And you're right, there were a
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lot of transfer portal whispers and no
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one would have blamed him and he would
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had a huge market and he would have
17:22
probably gone on and done some awesome
17:24
things. But I think him staying is also
17:27
a sign from Steven Pearl being like,
17:30
"Look, things are going to be different
17:31
this year." Because look, you watched
17:34
more Auburn than I did, but when I
17:35
watched Auburn, I got the sense that
17:37
there were times where him and Keshan
17:38
Hall just their like dynamic back and
17:41
forth. It was like a little bit your
17:42
turn, my turn. I think this year it's
17:44
Tahad is our fulcrum. We are building
17:46
our offense around Todd Pedford and we
17:48
have brought in a bunch of role players
17:50
that will make you better. We've added a
17:52
lot threat for you. We've added good
17:53
cutters for you. We've added a boatload
17:56
of shooting, right? And Montas and
17:58
Overton Dow can stretch it a little bit.
18:00
Like we've add Olsson obviously can
18:02
stretch it. We've added all of these
18:04
complimentary pieces so that you have
18:07
the ball in your hands and you can go
18:08
out and be the best guard in this
18:09
league. And if that's the expectation
18:11
that they put together for him and he
18:13
can live up to it, that's how Auburn,
18:15
you know, exceeds expectations next
18:16
year.
18:17
>> Yeah, I would completely agree with you.
18:19
I I've sort of said the same thing since
18:21
they put this roster together. And it's
18:23
like all all signs point to Tahad
18:25
Pedifford. And that was something he his
18:28
his dad kind of mentioned shortly after
18:30
his decision to come back was like just
18:32
just the language he was using was
18:34
they're putting a lot of good pieces in
18:36
place for Tahad and they're they're sort
18:39
of centering the roster around him. Um
18:41
and of course you're always going to say
18:42
that about your kid, but like it it
18:44
makes sense when you look at what he
18:46
could be as a junior and I I thought I
18:48
thought he was one of the more I just
18:51
you know when you have the ball in your
18:52
hands so much and I I felt the same
18:53
about Keshan Hall to an extent. I think
18:55
he looked dreadful defender at times,
18:57
but like maybe too much blame when
19:00
you're just kind of doing everything on
19:02
a team that's not that great. Um,
19:05
Pedford had some crazy moments down the
19:07
stretch of the season. Like he got a lot
19:09
better. His assist to turnover ratio was
19:10
dreadful at the beginning of the year
19:12
and then I think over the last month it
19:13
was one of the best in the SEC. Um, like
19:16
third among SEC point guards. He has
19:18
almost single-handedly led them against
19:21
Tennessee in the SEC tournament. a game
19:22
that would have taken them into the NCAA
19:24
tournament. Of course, they didn't end
19:26
up doing that. Um, but he had some great
19:27
moments and so they're kind of like you
19:29
said, hoping that they can take that
19:30
next step with a more competent roster.
19:32
Um, you mentioned Montas and and we
19:35
talked about Narcis and as well. Um,
19:38
just the international wave of course
19:40
that we've seen over the last few years.
19:43
It's going to be interesting to see if
19:44
that quote unquote clicks this year more
19:47
than it did with a guy like Yovic. But
19:50
at the same time, they're different
19:51
players and and and I'm interested to
19:52
hear your perspective as well. I know
19:54
you're you're you're close to the
19:55
Illinois program, which is kind of the
19:58
the blueprint now for for doing that
20:01
really successfully. I wonder, and maybe
20:04
this is just like glass half full
20:05
perspective of this Auburn team. I
20:07
wonder if a guy like Montis and Engoy in
20:10
their roles if it's a little bit easier
20:13
for them to contribute this year because
20:15
Yoic, I just felt like there was a lot
20:17
going against him. undersized, needed to
20:20
be skilled with the ball in his hands as
20:21
a fourman, needed to be strong against
20:24
SEC centers. And it's like all of those
20:26
things are kind of and he got on campus
20:28
so late. It's just kind of a tough ask.
20:30
Whereas Montis, it's like, you know, it
20:33
doesn't really matter what league you're
20:34
playing in being able to score and
20:36
create on the outside. With Enoy, like
20:38
you're seven foot no matter where you
20:40
are. You can block shots no matter where
20:41
you are. Again, maybe that's
20:42
overwhelmingly positive about those two
20:44
guys, but I wonder if maybe those guys
20:46
aren't better fits for this team as
20:49
overseas players than a guy like Yoic
20:50
was.
20:51
>> It's interesting. I'm open to that. You
20:53
know, I think that they're going to be
20:54
asking them to play pretty defined roles
20:56
as well, too. Like I think early with
20:58
Yoic, the idea was like, oh, maybe he
21:00
can be a stretch the floor four and that
21:02
didn't really coales and under size.
21:04
There's all these things. I think with
21:06
these two international products, like
21:07
they know exactly who they are. like
21:09
Montis one he's really old right at I
21:12
think he's already 24 years old it has
21:14
positional size very mature type of
21:18
build like just looks the part right
21:20
good feel for the game I think is
21:22
something that that pops now obviously
21:24
not an elite level athlete but he can
21:26
make shots and I think that they can use
21:28
him as an offmovement shooter which is a
21:31
good uh little wrinkle I think for this
21:34
offense to mix in some things into this
21:36
offense for Mike Berggo Master and then
21:38
with Enoy, it's like do what you do well
21:42
at a high level. Protect the rim,
21:44
rebound the basketball, make good
21:46
decisions when you have it, and play
21:48
finish [snorts] for us, right? Like just
21:50
finish the plays that we need you to do.
21:51
And and if you do that, that's fine. So,
21:53
I think I think you're right in the
21:55
theory of like, hey, we're going to be
21:56
asking these guys who are a little bit
21:58
more veterans, who know how to play
22:00
roles to play very specific roles where
22:02
it was with Yovic, it was a little bit
22:03
of like, hey, sometimes we need you to
22:05
play the small ball five, other times we
22:06
need you to play the four. our spacing
22:08
is not super great when you're sharing
22:09
the floor with Sebastian Williams Adams
22:11
and Keshan Murphy like oh like now oh
22:14
again here's another possession where
22:15
you're going to watch Keshan Hall
22:16
dribble 17 times like it just was hard
22:18
for him I think to kind of figure out
22:21
his best role and I think Yovic is
22:23
actually be a really nice player for
22:24
UCLA in a more specialized role that
22:27
Auburn can use a lot of that similar
22:29
idea with with these two international
22:31
additions and yeah I mean international
22:33
wave is not stopping NCA is trying to
22:35
crack down on it a little But when you
22:37
kind of look through these international
22:39
class, you know, LSU's gets a lot of the
22:41
buzz right now, but I I would put
22:42
Auburn's two additions up there with
22:44
anybody with, you know, I think they
22:45
went two for two in finding two good
22:47
role players.
22:49
Yeah, I mean, I agree on Yovic for sure.
22:51
Like he was a guy that, you know, when
22:52
he portaled out, it was like a little
22:55
bit of a sting because you felt like he
22:56
had a good ceiling, right? It was and he
22:58
showed some things down the stretch of
23:00
the season
23:02
>> particularly in the NIT that you were
23:04
like okay you know he's he's got some
23:05
stuff I think people needed to remember
23:07
as well. Um, I was having a conversation
23:10
with somebody about this like down the
23:12
stretch in SEC play it was very very
23:14
unsightly for for Yoic and then he kind
23:16
of went and beat up on some on some mid-
23:19
major teams in the NIT but at the same
23:20
time like I wouldn't put him in the same
23:23
group as Sway and Freeman of like high
23:25
ceiling like man you hate to not have
23:27
them back but still like a guy who who
23:30
who showed a lot and I think we'll be
23:31
better with another year of you know
23:33
American college basketball under his
23:35
under his belt. Um, we've been talking
23:37
about Sway and Freeman. Th those guys
23:39
are part of um some other really good
23:42
SEC rosters and some other really good
23:45
um roster building tactics that were
23:47
done in in in the offseason. I think
23:49
it's really funny to look now as we're
23:51
looking at the 247 sports portal
23:53
rankings at some of the uh you know
23:57
couch burning that that felt like it
23:59
went on in Lexington and then they end
24:01
up with the number two class in the
24:03
portal. Um, Texas kind of felt like it
24:06
was the one that was just surging the
24:08
entire time and Freeman was a big part
24:10
of that. And then Tennessee I thought
24:12
was an interesting as I'm just kind of
24:13
looking at the top five classes in in
24:15
the SEC here. Um, Tennessee was
24:17
interesting as well because you kind of
24:18
at least me I was looking up like man
24:21
this was a really good team last year
24:22
and they're they're they're kind of
24:23
bleeding guys and then they go and
24:25
replenish really really well. And so,
24:28
um, I'll just kind of give the floor to
24:29
you, sort of an overarching look at the
24:32
league, whatever whatever teams you want
24:33
to get into and and and who you think
24:35
maybe did the best job of of elevating
24:38
the their their team heading into next
24:39
year.
24:40
>> Okay. So, I do this exercise where I
24:42
look at top 30 high major scorers,
24:44
right? So, you're just looking at the
24:46
five high major leagues, Big East, U,
24:48
Big 12, ACC, Big 10, SEC. The SEC went
24:52
out into the portal and reeled in 11 top
24:56
30 scores from a high major league. 11
24:58
of them are coming in. So what does that
25:00
mean? That's just a lot of proven
25:01
production. Okay. So then you look at
25:02
the top 30 scores from the SEC last
25:04
year. How many of them transfer portaled
25:05
out? None. How many did they keep? 10.
25:09
So I think heading into next year, you
25:11
have the list of 21 high major or top 30
25:15
high major scorers will be in the SEC
25:16
next year. second of those leagues is
25:19
the Big 10 at 14. So like the SEC
25:21
basically just went like, "Hey, you're a
25:23
really good player. You're coming to our
25:24
league and you're a really good player
25:26
and you're going to come to our league."
25:27
So like that's the type of the proven
25:29
talent that's heading in to the SEC. And
25:32
you know, I'm doing these like way too
25:33
early SEC tiers. I'm like I got down to
25:35
10 teams and then Auburn was 11th of
25:38
like legit NCA tournament team. No doubt
25:41
could even snip a top 25. like th this
25:44
this roster or this league is loaded. Uh
25:48
let's start with te uh Texas, right?
25:51
What they've done in the portal is
25:52
outstanding. You could make a really
25:54
strong case that they added the best
25:56
offensive player in the portal and
25:58
Isaiah Johnson out of Colorado and the
26:01
best defensive player in the transfer
26:02
portal out of uh TCU and David Punch.
26:05
That is one heck of a combination,
26:07
right? So then you toss in Elijah
26:09
Freeman, they've added Mikey Lewis, they
26:12
retained Matus Vocatitis, their big man,
26:15
who was basically like a 15-9 guy last
26:17
year and was outstanding. Like this
26:19
group is going to be one of the most
26:21
improved defenses next year. And I know
26:24
transfer portal rankings are a little
26:25
bit fluid and I I don't really
26:26
understand how the algorithm works
26:28
sometimes. I would put Texas's portal
26:30
class up there with anybody. And they
26:33
spent big time money, like big- time
26:35
money to put this roster together. It's
26:37
a pretty clear sign that Shawn Miller
26:40
and just that whole Texas Brain Trust,
26:43
uh, they they care about basketball.
26:44
They want basketball to be something
26:46
that is really important. And I think
26:47
you guys have seen it too at Auburn.
26:49
Like being good in basketball matters
26:51
now. Like it just you just have to have
26:54
it. Um, we can get into some of the
26:55
other teams, but Texas is the one that
26:57
starts out, you know, kind of gets your
26:59
attention first because Amari Evans,
27:01
Austin Gooseb, that's a five-star
27:04
freshman coming in. Bo Ogden, Joe
27:05
Sterling are top 50-ish freshman that
27:08
they've added. I didn't even talk about
27:09
those in their portal class. They've
27:10
also added those guys. Um, and I I I
27:13
think that roster is going to be
27:14
outstanding next year.
27:17
We mentioned the, you know, we don't
27:18
have retention rankings, but sometimes
27:21
those are the most important decisions.
27:23
Um, I'm just somebody who's so high on
27:26
what Vanderbilt has become. Um, I
27:28
thought Mark Bington, like when UNCC
27:31
came open, that was somebody if I was
27:33
running that search, I would have had
27:34
him in my in my mix. Um, and and we
27:37
mentioned Sway a few times, but um,
27:39
having seen Tyler Tanner in person, I
27:41
mean, that guy is [laughter] he's just
27:43
unbelievable and and will be one of the
27:45
best guards in the country um, next
27:48
season. Along with Tanner, who are who
27:50
are some other teams, you know, in
27:52
Vanderbilt? Who are a couple other teams
27:53
where you're like, "Okay, maybe they
27:55
didn't have, you know, a top 15
27:58
transfer. I Vanderbilt might, but they
28:00
didn't have like an unreal transfer
28:02
class, but they're bringing back players
28:04
X, Y, and Z and and should be an
28:06
experienced team."
28:07
>> Yeah. So, let's start with Vanderbilt.
28:09
Um, Tanner, every coach that you talk to
28:12
thinks that Tanner's so much better
28:14
after they play him. They like they go
28:15
in being like, "Hey, he's a good
28:16
player." Then they play him, they're
28:17
like, "Oh my god, guys." Like that that
28:19
dude is like [snorts] unbelievable. So,
28:22
um, he's he's outstanding and he is
28:24
really just someone that makes
28:26
everything else hum, makes everything
28:28
easier. So, I think the one downside
28:30
with Vanderbilt is like, oh, they're
28:31
going to have a lot of new faces, but
28:32
when you have Tanner back, like that
28:34
just makes your life so much easier
28:35
because he gets everybody great shots.
28:37
And I think Mark Bington is a a really
28:40
shrewd coach and his main point this off
28:43
seasonason was we got to get bigger. We
28:44
just can't have 67 67 66 along our front
28:47
line with a you know 69 Jaylen
28:49
Washington. So Sway is obviously going
28:51
to be outstanding for them at the three,
28:53
but they went and got Berke Bayel from
28:55
Nebraska who was one of the better
28:57
defenders in the Big 10. I think Sway
28:59
could be one of the best defenders in
29:00
the SEC next year. Ben got Dak gives
29:02
them a little bit more size. So
29:04
outstanding job. Outstanding job. I
29:06
think Vanderbilt certainly going to be,
29:08
you know, a top 25 caliber team. You
29:10
know, another team that's kind of
29:11
slipped under the radar, I think, a
29:12
little bit this offseason is is Texas
29:14
A&M. I think Bucky McMillan has a better
29:18
roster this year than he did last year,
29:20
right? And they were very a surprise
29:22
team, I think, in the league, but they
29:24
retained Mackenzie McBako, who was
29:26
probably going to be their leading
29:27
scoreer last year. Uh, and the work that
29:30
they've done in the portal is
29:31
outstanding. PJ Hagerty. I mean,
29:34
basically pencil him in for 20 and five
29:36
next next year, right? Like, he just an
29:38
automatic 20 points a game. And then the
29:40
guy that I would keep an eye on is
29:41
Bryson Warren out of the G-League. He's
29:44
like basically a 40% three-point shooter
29:46
on insanely high volume. One of the top
29:48
three-point shooters in the G-League
29:49
last year. I think he's going to be
29:51
excellent. Cade Phillips, a familiar
29:53
name from from Tennessee, excellent
29:55
defensive prospect. Uh and they have a
29:57
lot of good depth there, too. But those
29:59
three, especially at the top, Hagerty,
30:00
Warren, and Mcbako are going to carry
30:03
them. Just kind of scrolling through the
30:05
list right now. It's like every roster
30:06
you look at is like, "Oh, that's
30:07
awesome." Uh it'd be dumb not to bring
30:09
up Florida at this point is just like
30:12
insane. Uh the fact that you could get
30:15
Tommy Hul, Alex Condan, Ruben Chinula
30:17
back is like absurd. Again, that year
30:20
two transfer jump is going to be really
30:21
important for Boogie Fland who was okay
30:23
at times last year. Objectively bad
30:26
offensively good defensively for long
30:28
stretches. If they can actually get him
30:29
to make a jump shot next year, that
30:31
would be ideal. The thing with Florida,
30:33
their ceiling really rests on Denzel
30:35
Aberdine. You know, he's a guy who just
30:37
transferred back into the mix from
30:39
Kentucky. He's trying to get a waiver
30:41
for another year of eligibility because
30:42
he played 12 games as a freshman. On
30:45
paper, that doesn't count, right? Like,
30:48
if you play 12 games, that's over a 30%
30:50
threshold. He was not injured. He
30:51
doesn't have a real case for it. But if
30:53
the NCA who keeps losing in court left
30:55
and right, loses like a waiver appeal
30:58
like this, you know, you're talking
31:00
about a guy who's like 13 points a game,
31:02
36% from three, really good at the rim,
31:04
can really score at the SEC. starting at
31:07
the two with all of those other four
31:08
starters back. Like Florida would be a
31:10
legit number one team in the country. So
31:12
yeah, I could talk about every SEC
31:14
roster for days because it feels like
31:16
there's really not many bad ones outside
31:19
of like Miss.
31:22
Yeah, it's it the the Aberdine situation
31:24
goes to show that especially if he gets
31:27
the waiver, anything is possible because
31:29
wasn't he the one that uh Golden had
31:32
some interesting comments about on his
31:34
way out when he transferred to Kentucky
31:35
and now it's just like, "Hey, man, come
31:37
on back.
31:38
>> Welcome home. Welcome home, son. I
31:40
missed you so much. The prodigal son is
31:42
back." Yeah. Uh, exactly. I mean, it I
31:43
mean Golden kind of like point blank was
31:46
like, "Yeah, Kentucky outbid us for by a
31:48
million dollars. We did not think he
31:50
basically had an evaluation of like I
31:52
don't know what the exact number was.
31:53
I'm just assuming, hey Denzel, like we
31:55
think you're a million-dollar player.
31:57
Kucky's paying me too. Can you get to
31:58
two to keep me? No, we think you're a
32:00
million dollar player. And so he left.
32:01
Like that was I think the probably the
32:04
honestly the dollars and cents of it. Uh
32:06
but if he could get another year of
32:07
eligibility, I mean, Florida would be
32:11
one of the oldest front lines mixed with
32:13
two veterans in the back court that can
32:16
both score and defend. like they'd have
32:18
very few flaws on that roster.
32:20
>> Yeah. And you know, that goes to show
32:22
also why transparency is going to be the
32:24
thing that helps us all in this modern
32:26
college sports age because like what you
32:28
just mentioned, that conversation is not
32:30
a problem. It's not a big deal. It's
32:32
just business. But when you don't have
32:34
actual roster figures and contract
32:36
numbers and stuff like that, you're left
32:38
to just speculate these sorts of things
32:40
and then you have comments about it and
32:41
whatever. as opposed to if we were just
32:42
able to see, hey, we're you're getting
32:44
paid this much by this team or this much
32:46
by this team, it'd be a lot easier to
32:47
have these conversations. That's another
32:50
that's another topic, though. Uh you
32:52
mentioned waiverss, and it's kind of the
32:53
last thing we'll talk about. Uh speaking
32:54
of waivers, is so is LSU going to have
32:57
all these guys? Like, are they all are
32:58
they all going to be able physically and
33:01
and and legally cleared to to play
33:03
basketball this season?
33:04
>> Oh, I'm I'm glad you said that. Um let's
33:06
talk about them. So Yam Madar um is the
33:09
Israeli guy who's awesome just like
33:11
cooks people like I like where I was
33:13
like looking through his tape. He's
33:15
fantastic. Um he has I don't think he's
33:19
playing basketball next year. I think
33:20
LSU has also given up hope that he's
33:23
going to be able to play college next
33:24
year. Now he he's 25 years old. I think
33:26
they had some hope that um since he had
33:29
to do vol or in like he was basically
33:32
forced to be in the Israeli military
33:34
that he would be able to use that at to
33:36
get a waiver to keep his clock alive. I
33:38
don't think that's going to go through.
33:40
I don't think he will play. RJ Lewis
33:42
Lewis who was the Big East player of the
33:44
year at St. John's went pro, did not get
33:48
drafted, made a horrible decision. Uh
33:50
now he's trying to come back. There's no
33:53
chance he plays. I I would be like
33:55
absolutely stunned if he plays. Like it
33:56
just there's no precedent for it for him
33:58
to play after the Charles Biako incident
34:01
last year. So let's just toss those two
34:03
guys out. The others I think will play.
34:05
Um and who are those guys? Saloon Nyang
34:08
really big long athletic wing who can he
34:11
was a second round pick but he didn't
34:13
ever sign an NBA contract. He's a little
34:14
bit um he's very similar to the guy at
34:17
Baylor. Why am I blanking on his name?
34:19
Who got the year of eligibility back? Um
34:21
James Naji. So I I would expect Nyang to
34:24
be able to play. He's going to be
34:25
terrific. I think this front court for
34:27
LSU is going to be awesome. Bryce Dert
34:30
and Michael Rusich are both two of the
34:32
top international bigs. Dessert's like a
34:34
6869 bruising four. Rusich is like this
34:38
sevenfooter who can shoot threes and you
34:40
know finish above the rim. So I I think
34:42
that they're going to get those guys
34:44
eligible and it'll be just fine. Like
34:45
they they're like a lot of the other
34:47
international guys. Like their cases
34:48
make a lot of sense. But I do not expect
34:50
R.J. Luis to get cleared. And I don't
34:52
expect Yamadar to play college
34:53
basketball, which is a pretty big blow
34:55
because their point guard situation is
34:57
now like Devon Nuggetuku and Austin
34:59
Nunees. Nuggetuku was a backup at
35:01
Michigan State and Nunees was a terrible
35:02
player at UTSA. So that that kind of
35:05
shows you where LSU is at.
35:07
Yeah, it feels like may may take a
35:09
couple years for the Will Wade train to
35:11
really get rolling there, but I don't
35:13
think there's any doubt that it's going
35:15
to like it if if he was able to do what
35:17
he did at LSU previously and now like
35:21
the shackles are almost completely off
35:23
in the NC in in modern college
35:25
basketball. You can kind of do whatever
35:26
you want. Um it's like it fits perfectly
35:29
for a guy like a guy like Will Wade to
35:31
come back to the uh to the SEC. What is
35:33
the you mentioned Betty Yako and yeah I
35:36
kind of I mean seeing like just seeing
35:38
physically the the that you know it's
35:40
like RJ Lewis you know what he was in
35:43
college and then you know declaring for
35:44
the draft and being like I'm just going
35:45
to come back and just it's the absurdity
35:48
of it all. What is and maybe I just
35:50
haven't I haven't been super up to speed
35:52
on it. What do you think is the fix for
35:54
this in the near future? Or or will
35:57
there be any will they continue to just
35:59
kind of one off cross off these
36:01
individual cases and say no, you can't
36:03
play or or do you expect some sort of
36:05
blanket fix for for guys who are you
36:08
know 20 and you mentioned that the you
36:09
know them trying to crack down on on
36:11
overseas players. I know that's a big
36:12
part of it as well.
36:14
>> Yeah. So the I think they're going to do
36:16
it one by one at a time. Uh, I think in
36:18
order to get to like the stage of like
36:21
collective bargaining and like all of
36:24
these like contracts being o like being
36:27
set in stone, like that just seems too
36:29
far for me. I don't see an upside for
36:31
the players to do collective bargaining
36:33
as well, right? Like if I'm a player,
36:35
like I don't want collective bargaining.
36:37
I don't want a cap on like what I could
36:39
make. I I like the free market. I like
36:41
this being nuts for me right now. I like
36:42
that, you know, I could make um, you
36:45
know,5 million dollars playing college
36:47
basketball. If there was collective
36:48
bargaining, I think that that the
36:50
numbers would go down, the pay would go
36:51
down. Uh, so I think it's going to be
36:53
one at a time. Like, let's just address
36:55
the international stuff. I don't expect
36:57
the international stuff to be that big
36:59
of a deal. The NCAA, if they keep
37:00
cracking down on the older guys coming
37:02
in, that's fine. That's just going to
37:04
mean all of the international guys will
37:05
start coming to college earlier as
37:07
teenagers, and that's that's fine.
37:08
That's as they should. Like, there's no
37:10
problem with that at all. So, I think
37:11
that will course correct itself
37:13
eventually. Uh, I think the NBA is not
37:16
going to continue to let guys try to
37:19
pursue another year of eligibility after
37:21
they got drafted. So, I think the NBA
37:23
will help the college out colleges out
37:25
in that regard um by by cracking down on
37:28
those. And again, we still don't have a
37:29
preent outside of one Tuscaloosa judge
37:32
giving, you know, Bettyo a little bit of
37:35
a TTRO, right? That he got to play for
37:37
five games. Like, ultimately he got
37:38
denied on that. we still don't have a
37:39
precedent of that um actually getting
37:42
approved where guys were able to play
37:43
for a full season after getting drafted
37:45
uh or after signing an NBA contract. So,
37:48
I think that will continue to be uh the
37:50
next lever for college athletics to kind
37:52
of figure out some of these rules. And I
37:53
think a lot of coaches are just
37:54
frustrated because they're just like
37:56
just give us a rule and let's just stick
37:57
with it. It's been a little bit annoying
37:59
by the NCAA to introduce new rules or
38:03
regulations or policies, you know, kind
38:05
of at the end of roster building or at
38:07
the end of free agency. like look like
38:10
we have to have a little bit more, you
38:12
know, we have to have a little bit more
38:13
foresight with some of these decisions
38:15
that have that are being made. Um, and
38:17
that and that's just the the hope as of
38:19
now. But I I think they're just going to
38:20
try to continue to tackle these one at a
38:22
time in the near future.
38:24
>> Yeah. And I and I appreciate Will Wade
38:26
for being the kind of keeping things
38:28
spicy. like you kind of thought, okay,
38:30
well, the Betty Yako thing came and went
38:32
and and uh and the Baylor player as
38:35
well, but it's like, okay, you you get
38:37
something new coming across the timeline
38:39
every every few months of like, wow,
38:40
never seen anybody attempt to do that
38:42
before in in college sports. And so, uh
38:45
yeah, you're right. You know, may maybe
38:46
we'll see just judges continue to
38:49
continue to rule over lit literally and
38:51
figuratively rule over everything and
38:53
get the stuff going. But um yeah, I know
38:55
it's it's it's been driving coaches up a
38:58
been driving coaches up a wall trying to
39:00
trying to have rules and regulations. So
39:02
maybe at some point in the future, but
39:03
for for right now, like you mentioned,
39:05
it was another off season of free
39:07
market. It was another offseason of um
39:10
you know, guys coming back to their
39:11
previous school and saying, "Hey, uh
39:14
you're not paying me enough and the
39:15
portal closes tomorrow, so I'm going to
39:18
hold you, you know, ransom for you know,
39:20
an extra 500,000 or whatever, and if you
39:22
don't do it, I'm I'm going in the
39:23
portal." And we've seen that happen. I
39:24
mean, that that's happened at Auburn
39:26
both with guys who have left in in in a
39:29
guy like Sebastian Williams Adams and
39:30
guys who have stayed in Chad Baker Mazar
39:32
a couple years ago. It happened for
39:33
them. Like it's and I know that it's not
39:35
just Auburn. I know it's everywhere
39:36
across the across the country. But like
39:38
you said, things settling down now. We
39:40
have a good idea of every roster and we
39:42
definitely appreciate you, Isaac, for
39:44
giving us a lot of context on on the SEC
39:46
and should be another really fun season.
39:49
Like you said, if we're at a point where
39:51
10 or 11 teams are entering game one
39:53
feeling like they're top 25 caliber,
39:56
it's going to be another going to be
39:57
another really fun season in the league.
39:59
Definitely looking forward to it.
40:00
>> Buckle up, boys. And I didn't even bring
40:02
up Alabama on this episode and they uh
40:05
>> Aiden Holloway back, Kamari Allen back.
40:07
Like they're going to be really good,
40:08
too. So, yeah, buckle up. Every game is
40:10
uh is going to be a war. And maybe Chris
40:12
Beard will figure out a way to put a
40:13
roster together because that one does
40:14
not look like SEC Callison compared to
40:16
the rest.
40:17
>> No, it does not. Uh yeah, hopefully this
40:19
this episode, by the way, for everybody
40:21
listening, hopefully coincides. We're
40:22
supposed to have SEC opponents this
40:24
week, um not dates or anything, but like
40:27
hopefully this week you will know
40:28
Auburn's 18 SEC opponents and who their
40:31
new rotating opponent will be other than
40:32
Alabama and Old Miss. And so hopefully
40:34
this will coincide with that and give
40:36
you guys a little bit of information in
40:37
uh in June about the uh upcoming Auburn
40:40
basketball team. So for Isaac Troder
40:42
from CBS Sports, uh Isaac, we always
40:44
appreciate you on the show. We are
40:45
looking forward to whenever you're on
40:47
next. Hopefully next season we'll be
40:49
able to talk some more Auburn [music]
40:50
basketball once again. Uh but we
40:51
appreciate everybody listening and uh
40:53
Isaac, hope you're hope you're
40:54
continuing to do well, man. And we
40:56
appreciate having you on.
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