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Identifying Narcissism in Marriage with Dr. David Clarke & Stats on Christian Worldview with Dr. Adam Rasmussen · Karl and Crew

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  S5: I gotta tell you, I took a peek to see
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  S5: what the score was before I went up to preach.
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  S5: I just had to do it. So I took a
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  S5: peek and there it was. Overtime win, 2 to 1.
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  S2: That's insane.
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  S5: Man. USA. USA. I know we got some friends in
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  S5: Canada here this morning.
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  S2: Oh for sure.
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  S5: We love you guys, but.
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  S2: You gotta celebrate. You got the Olympic gold?
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  S3: Of course you gold back.
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  S5: 46 years to the day of the Miracle on Ice.
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  S3: Oh, was.
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  S5: It to the day?
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  S3: Oh, I didn't get that.
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  S5: Part of the Miracle on Ice. And the the storylines
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  S5: in there are just enormous.
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  S2: I did not realize the the last time the US
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  S2: won the Olympic gold for hockey. Men's hockey was in 1980.
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  S2: I knew the Miracle on Ice, but I didn't realize
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  S2: that was the last time they won the gold.
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  S5: Yeah, I'm not sure I did either. Yeah. And they, I,
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  S5: I don't know that we've we haven't had any chill
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  S5: players in all the Olympics. I think sometimes they just
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  S5: keep trucking and they didn't let them into the Olympics.
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  S5: But man did this create some.
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  S6: And that poor kid would. Jack Hughes was his name.
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  S5: Oh, yeah. Got his teeth busted.
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  S6: He was toothless.
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  S2: At the end of the game.
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  S6: And he's talking to the press conference.
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  S5: Blood's coming out of his mouth. Yeah, and you gotta
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  S5: love that.
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  S2: Hockey players are something different, man, in terms of sustaining
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  S2: injury and then just continuing to go.
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  S6: And he's like again.
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  S5: How many how many guys get teeth busted out. And
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  S5: then you come back onto the ice anyway.
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  S6: And you're crazy. You know what I mean?
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  S2: It's crazy.
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  S5: It was beautiful. Yeah. This kind of sport Ali loves.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S3: I mean, I my son was really following this game,
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  S3: so he was. We were sitting in church and he's like, mom,
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  S3: check the score.
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  S6: Good good good.
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  S3: So he definitely had a I had to kind of
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  S3: mute his reaction when he saw Mid-service that they had
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  S3: won 2 to 1.
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  S2: Oh that's great.
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  S5: That's good. We had we had somebody walk in a
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  S5: little bit late. She comes and plops down in the
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  S5: front row. It was pretty full in the house and
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  S5: and I made the I made the comment before a
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  S5: meet and greet. We call it who in the world
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  S5: are you? And I said, listen, for those of you
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  S5: that want to know, USA just won an overtime 2
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  S5: to 1 and the place went gonzo and and, uh,
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  S5: Jill is her name. She's sitting in the front row
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  S5: and she just started commentating to me going, yes, this
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  S5: is what happened and everything else. And I'm like, Jill,
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  S5: we gotta roll here, sister.
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  S6: That's awesome.
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  S5: It's cool. She's she's motivated. She had a son that
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  S5: was a goalie. And I think our goalie won the game.
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  S5: I mean.
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  S2: Oh, the whole Canada to 11..
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  S5: 40 some stops or 30 some stops. I forget what
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  S5: it was. Pull up that stat super die for me
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  S5: if you could. But it was. It was an epic game.
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  S5: Oh my goodness. And you know I it's makes it
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  S5: tough for Canada because that's kind of like that's their
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  S5: that's their jam You know, I mean, hockey is what
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  S5: they do. I mean, that's, you know, they get skates
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  S5: on those kids early on and they probably had in
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  S5: that overtime period. They they had faster skaters. They had
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  S5: some more skilled skaters out there. But it just the
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  S5: puck bounced the right way in for the win.
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  S2: US is us. Goalie had 41 stops, 41.
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  S6: Stops.
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  S2: 42 shots on goal, 42 shots on goal is a
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  S2: lot for a for a hockey game, 30 is probably average. Woo!
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  S5: USA.
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  S6: USA.
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  S5: I mean that was just crazy. What a way to
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  S5: cap off the wonderful Olympics. I heard word that we'd
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  S5: never gotten more golds in a Winter Olympics or something
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  S5: like that. I don't know if that's just rumor or.
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  S2: You.
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  S6: Gotta.
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  S5: Fact check all that.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S3: Very true. And, you know, Cathy ended her Olympic coverage
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  S3: with us last week.
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  S2: So yes.
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  S3: We don't have her this morning to give us a
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  S3: final update. But the excitement around this win I was
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  S3: driving in this morning in Chicago, the the big billboard
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  S3: that said Miracle on twice.
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  S2: Oh oh.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S5: I didn't.
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  S3: See that. Oh that's great, that's great.
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  S5: Oh isn't that great. Just awesome stuff. Well, we are
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  S5: going to weave a theme through this week that is
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  S5: going to be so powerful. And I've been up early
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  S5: this morning to do some prep for you boom crew.
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  S5: And I am some kind of fired up when you
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  S5: think about prayer. We need to think in terms of
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  S5: principles that are timeless and that there's a pattern to
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  S5: these kind of prayers that God works in powerfully. And
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  S5: I've got one for you this morning. It's going to
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  S5: be pretty epic, and I just want you to lend
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  S5: your heart. If you could hang around, I want you
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  S5: to do that. I want to prep this by going
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  S5: to George Mueller Alley. You got some facts on this
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  S5: brother of ours?
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  S3: Yeah. George Mueller, widely considered one of the greatest men
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  S3: of prayer and faith. He led to four influential ministries,
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  S3: but he's known best for his work in orphanages. He
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  S3: recorded over 50,000.
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  S6: Specific.
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  S3: Answers to prayers in his journals. Get this 30,000. So
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  S3: 30 out of those 50,000 that he recorded, he said,
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  S3: were answered the same day or even the same hour
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  S3: that he prayed them. So he never asked for donations
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  S3: for his work in this. In these orphanages, he would
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  S3: sometimes care for up to 2000 orphans at a time,
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  S3: 10,000 over his lifetime, and he never let his requests
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  S3: be known to anyone other than God. And so God
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  S3: provided all of the resources that he needed to be
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  S3: able to care for these orphans. So he saw miracle
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  S3: after miracle after answered prayer after answered prayer and was
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  S3: able to care for these children. So he has become
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  S3: a truly a an epic legend even. I mean, but
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  S3: he was a he really lived, he really did this work,
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  S3: but certainly one that we look to when we think
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  S3: of what it looks like to pray fervently, expectantly, and
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  S3: to see God move.
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  S5: It's so cool. And so there's a place we find
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  S5: in Scripture that becomes an outline, according to Swindoll. Spurgeon.
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  S5: Great theologians, both here with us in Already Gone Away
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  S5: that are just over the top, exciting. And wow, we're
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  S5: going to peel it back for you. Good morning boom crew.
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  S5: We are in for a great run this week. Anyone
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  S5: else fired up about a theme of prayer all week long?
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  S6: Absolutely.
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  S5: Oh my goodness. Let's roll with it.
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S5: Sometimes we think of prayer. Um, and we if we're
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  S5: honest with ourselves, we have some questions Like, does the
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  S5: prayer of a righteous person really have great power in
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  S5: its working? Does it? And how does that work? Are thrilled. Man.
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  S5: This morning I've actually discovered something in a couple hours
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  S5: here early this morning that is pretty mind popping. If
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  S5: there is one place in scripture that Spurgeon, Swindoll, Mueller,
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  S5: you name it, I mean Tozer, they find as a
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  S5: pattern for powerful prayer. It's right here in this central passage. Ali,
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  S5: this is epic, isn't it?
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  S3: James five starting with verse 16, it says, therefore confess
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  S3: your sins to one another and pray for one another,
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  S3: that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous
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  S3: person has great power as it is working. Elijah was
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  S3: a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed
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  S3: fervently that it might not rain. And for three years
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  S3: and six months it did not rain on the earth.
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  S3: Then he prayed again, and heaven gave rain, and the
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  S3: earth bore its fruit.
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  S5: Okay, you look at Elijah. Let me just hit this quickly.
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  S5: You look, Elijah, and you go. Okay, great. I've got
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  S5: to live a life like a life. Here's what James says.
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  S5: Elijah was just like us. And I think sometimes we
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  S5: look at the greats and we go, there's something going
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  S5: on in their life that we were not born with
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  S5: that DNA. You know what I mean, guys?
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  S6: Right.
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  S3: It can feel like that.
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  S5: Yeah. What if I told you that the answer to
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  S5: that question is this reality? The reality is, is that
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  S5: he was just like us. And what put him on
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  S5: the pages of Scripture, according to James, is the posture
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  S5: of his prayer. That's what put him there.
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  S2: Yeah. You know, I've heard this quote, uh, I'm going
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  S2: to paraphrase it a little bit to include Elijah, but
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  S2: it's this person who said it was talking about, you know,
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  S2: experiencing Jesus to his fullest. And they said that, you know,
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  S2: sometimes we sit and we think, well, we don't experience
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  S2: Jesus like the people in the Bible experience Jesus because
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  S2: they were just something special. Jesus loved and attended to
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  S2: them more than he does to us. But the truth is,
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  S2: is that that experience is available to all of us.
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  S2: It's that we don't love and attend to Jesus the
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  S2: way they did. You know, they they were with Jesus.
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  S2: They spent time dedicated to being in his presence each
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  S2: and every day. And so they experienced him in powerful ways,
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  S2: and his power moved through them. That same promise is
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  S2: available to us. If we would just be close with
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  S2: him and live in the way that he calls us to. Yeah.
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  S5: He's a man just like us.
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  S2: Just like us.
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  S5: So what made the difference? George Mueller has taken these
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  S5: few verses that Ali just read and put them into
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  S5: an outline, and others have tagged that same outline that
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  S5: Mueller has and seen it as a pattern for powerful prayer,
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  S5: effective prayer. Coming up, we're going to give you that outline.
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  S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
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  S1: to Carl and crew.
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  S5: Oh, man, I'm so excited about this. My palms are sweating.
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  S5: Something's cooking here, Ali.
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  S6: Oh, I.
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  S2: Love that kind of excitement.
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  S5: Yeah, I really am. Uh, the effective prayer of a
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  S5: righteous man or woman. This is this is this is
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  S5: pretty profound. Whether it's Spurgeon, Swindoll, uh, you name it.
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  S5: I mean, Jake Ryle. It's across the board. I was
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  S5: blown away as I studied this, that the greats see
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  S5: this as a pattern and principles for praying for anything. Now,
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  S5: the direct context in James five is if if anyone
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  S5: among you is suffering or struggling with sin, you come
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  S5: and you pray. But the the commentators and the theologians
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  S5: on this say this is a recurrent pattern that's put
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  S5: here more condensed in James five than anywhere in Scripture.
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  S5: But they say this is the stuff. And Mueller said
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  S5: this is what he hung his whole ministry and the
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  S5: power of prayer. How many answered prayers for Mueller?
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  S3: He recorded in his journal 50,000.
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  S2: He might have forgotten some.
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  S3: So I mean 50,030 thousand within an hour or the
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  S3: same day. So that's 500 answers to prayer each year,
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  S3: more than one a day, every single day for 60 years.
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  S3: To put that in context.
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  S5: This is epic. Okay, Ali, let's read that passage again.
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  S5: If we could out of James five.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S3: James five, starting with verse 16, therefore confess your sins
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  S3: to one another and pray for one another that you
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  S3: may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has
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  S3: great power as it is working. Elijah was a man
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  S3: with a nature like ours, and he prayed fervently that
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  S3: it might not rain. And for three years and six
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  S3: months it did not rain on the earth. Then he
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  S3: prayed again, and heaven gave rain, and the earth bore
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  S3: its fruit.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S5: Beautiful man. Okay, let me give you the four part
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  S5: outline of Mueller that he hung all of his prayers
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  S5: on that. Swindoll says this is like this is the
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  S5: pattern of powerful prayer. First and foremost, the necessity of
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  S5: a righteous life. The man or woman of God who
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  S5: has it cleaned the deck. Now, let me give you
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  S5: the anecdotal thing here first. John one nine if we
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  S5: confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
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  S5: us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
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  S5: Mueller stated that if I regard iniquity in my heart,
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  S5: the Lord will not hear me. Spurgeon said, the prayer
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  S5: of the upright is God's delight. Tozer said, the effective
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  S5: prayer is the fruit of a righteous life. Now here's
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  S5: the here's the hope. This is why getting up in
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  S5: the morning and starting your day, clearing the decks of
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  S5: any stuff in your heart, making sure that your affections
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  S5: are aligned with God is one of the most powerful
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  S5: things we can do. Have you ever noticed when we've
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  S5: done that early in the morning, you get up, you go. God,
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  S5: search me, know me, try me, see stuff in me
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  S5: that's hurtful and lead me in the way. Everlasting. Powerful stuff.
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  S5: It just clears the decks. And have you ever noticed
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  S5: that when you search your heart and clear the decks
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  S5: of any known missing the mark, suddenly there's a vertical
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  S5: connection with God of authenticity that's just real. As real
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  S5: can be.
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  S3: So when you say that righteous life, because obviously we
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  S3: know we stand in the righteousness of Christ, so we
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  S3: cannot make ourselves righteous, positionally speaking, right?
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S5: Yeah. This is why John goes on to say he
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  S5: prays as he ought, will endeavor to live as he prays.
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  S5: Isn't that a great quote? Yeah, we'll endeavor to live
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  S5: as he prays. So we stand in the righteousness of Christ.
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  S5: But because we have this thing called the flesh, the
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  S5: sarx We can get sideways in a New York second.
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  S5: So just clearing the decks of all that stuff, that's
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  S5: what precipitates these powerful prayers. Second point, the reality of
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  S5: God hearing. Sometimes we wonder, am I just talking into
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  S5: the air? Mueller said prayer is not over. Oh, listen
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  S5: to this quote. Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but
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  S5: laying hold of God's willingness. Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance,
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  S5: but laying hold of his willingness.
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  S2: That's such a good quote, man.
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  S5: Is that something else?
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  S2: It's so powerful because I feel like that's what we
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  S2: do that with prayer. It's like, well, whatever's happening right
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  S2: now is is whatever is completely on God's mind and
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  S2: and us praying is us trying to change his mind
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  S2: to get us to get it. Get him to do
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  S2: what what we want. And we're we're going in and
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  S2: we're setting our hearts on him and laying his willingness.
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  S2: He desires to answer our prayers, but he's waiting for
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  S2: us sometimes.
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  S5: So powerful. Andrew Murray added to this outline and said,
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  S5: the great thing in prayer is to feel that we
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  S5: are putting our supplications into the bosom of omnipotent love.
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  S5: Sorry I'm overwhelming you with some quotes here today, but
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  S5: this is powerful stuff. Third point of Mueller's outline. The
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  S5: earnestness and specificity of prayer is vital. As a matter
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  S5: of fact, Chuck Swindoll said vague prayers produce vague results,
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  S5: but he said specific prayers leads to specific results. Mueller
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  S5: himself said it is not enough to begin to pray,
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  S5: but we must patiently believingly continue in specific prayers and
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  S5: believing that we're going to obtain that answer. And you
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  S5: already cited how many prayers were answered, but Mueller recounted
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  S5: praying for precise sum of money and needs of the orphanage.
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  S5: And this is what he said. I had asked God
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  S5: for a specific amount to be sent on that day,
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  S5: and it came in full, almost exactly the sum requested.
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  S5: I was always amazed at how exact God's answers were
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  S5: when I prayed in faith in specificity.
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  S6: Wow.
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  S5: This is powerful.
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  S3: Stuff. I read one stat that said that over the
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  S3: course of his ministry, God funneled over half $1 billion
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  S3: in today's like the value of today's money through his hands.
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  S3: Over half $1 billion.
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  S5: Wow. Ali, is that amazing?
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  S3: That's how he provided for these orphans.
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  S5: Fourth point. Final point. The power of perseverance. Mueller said
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  S5: I have been enabled to ask and obtain what I
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  S5: have asked, because I have asked in faith, often over
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  S5: months and years, and historians say that many of Mueller's
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  S5: prayers came to fruition even after his death, that those
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  S5: prayers were heard stored up. And as God aligned the
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  S5: hearts of others that he was praying for, he changed.
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  S5: Spurgeon said that before he would go into a revival
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  S5: using this same outline, he would pray that the hearts
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  S5: of certain people in a city would be open to
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  S5: the Lord. They were notable people, and he was astounded
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  S5: at how God answered those specific prayers. Leonard Ravenhill said,
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  S5: persistent prayer is the engine God uses to accomplish mighty
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  S5: things in the church. And John Wesley, the great revivalist, said,
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  S5: God does nothing but in answer to our prayer. These
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  S5: are four of the most amazing things going. But I
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  S5: want to come back to this analogy of Elijah. Elijah
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  S5: is our pattern, And it leads to fundamental principles of prayer.
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  S5: And Elijah was just like us. We look at these greats,
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  S5: even hear these quotes of people, and this is what
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  S5: we've got to remember. What made them great is not
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  S5: their inherent greatness. It's their trust in the greatness of
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  S5: God to do what we can only imagine. And so
• 18:56
  S5: we pray. What an outline. What a pattern for prayer.
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  S5: Swindoll said he's never been disappointed when he's prayed this
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  S5: way with a heart that's upright, spraying, praying with specificity, praying,
• 19:09
  S5: believing that God hears. And what a thrill. You know,
• 19:15
  S5: we're focusing on prayer this week because we are recruiting
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  S5: 600 plus, right? Super die.
• 19:23
  S6: That's exactly it.
• 19:24
  S5: Yeah, 620. I think people that were asking to fill
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  S5: in prayer every half hour during share, it's coming up
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  S5: in a couple of weeks and I want to throw
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  S5: some mustard in this year in a big way. I've
• 19:37
  S5: got four pages of outline that needs to be condensed
• 19:41
  S5: into like a 1 or 2 page PDF, and I'm
• 19:43
  S5: going to work on this for the next week. I
• 19:45
  S5: won't have it done for probably a week. I'm going
• 19:47
  S5: to have these hallmark quotes in there, and this is
• 19:50
  S5: what I want to offer up. For those of you
• 19:54
  S5: that join and grab a half an hour of prayer,
• 19:56
  S5: we are going to pray with specificity this year, and
• 20:00
  S5: I've got one of a few things that we're going
• 20:03
  S5: to give you to pray for, but we're going to
• 20:07
  S5: give you this outline. I'm going to send you a PDF.
• 20:10
  S5: It'll probably take a week for me to get it
• 20:12
  S5: to you. But if you join this prayer crew, I'm
• 20:15
  S5: going to give this to you as a source of
• 20:16
  S5: encouragement and guidance. That's going to peel some paint here, guys. So, Ali,
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  S5: we want to open up the floodgates today and give specifics.
• 20:25
  S5: What are we asking them to do a half an hour, right.
• 20:28
  S6: Yes.
• 20:28
  S3: We are moving into spring share. We are just now
• 20:31
  S3: about two weeks out, if I'm correct. And this is
• 20:35
  S3: if you're new to us, we're a listener supported station.
• 20:37
  S3: So we do this twice a year where we dedicate
• 20:39
  S3: some time extended hours here on Moody Radio, where we
• 20:42
  S3: just cast a vision for what God is doing through
• 20:45
  S3: this radio station and invite you to partner with us.
• 20:48
  S3: But for the last, I don't know, 6 or 6
• 20:51
  S3: years or so, 5 or 6 years. We've been really
• 20:54
  S3: recruiting prayers, and it's been incredible to see both how
• 20:58
  S3: God has moved in response to your prayers, but also
• 21:01
  S3: the testimonies we've gotten of how the individual prayers have
• 21:05
  S3: been blessed as they've partnered with us in this effort.
• 21:07
  S3: So if you're willing to grab a 30 minute time
• 21:10
  S3: slot and you can do this wherever you're at, wherever
• 21:13
  S3: in the country, if you're driving, if you're at your house,
• 21:15
  S3: if you're on a prayer walk, just text crew. You're
• 21:18
  S3: going to see the available slots. We're recruiting about ten
• 21:21
  S3: prayer warriors per half hour that were on air during share,
• 21:24
  S3: so grab that 30 minute slot. You just enter a
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• 21:29
  S3: with reminders, but just text crew to 800 555 7898.
• 21:34
  S3: Crew CREW2 800 555 7898.
• 21:39
  S6: Yeah.
• 21:40
  S5: And those of you that jump into the crew in
• 21:42
  S5: about a week's time, I'm going to have this PDF
• 21:45
  S5: crunched down, edited ready to go of this Mueller swindle.
• 21:50
  S5: Spurgeon pattern of powerful prayer. And what a what a blessing.
• 21:55
  S5: So we'll have that to you in a week. And
• 21:56
  S5: here's what's really cool. This is an answer to prayer.
• 21:59
  S5: Ali and I were talking about this and I said, Ali,
• 22:02
  S5: I know that the Lord wants us to give something
• 22:05
  S5: even more tangible this year as we head into Spring
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  S5: Share and look what God has done here. Ali.
• 22:12
  S6: Yeah, this.
• 22:13
  S3: This is going to be our way of just giving
• 22:14
  S3: you that prayer guide. We're also going to send you
• 22:16
  S3: video updates behind the scenes, uh, things that you won't
• 22:20
  S3: see otherwise. So just text crew if you want to
• 22:22
  S3: be a part of this text crew to 800 555 7898.
• 22:27
  S5: Yeah. And we're so grateful for you to Join this
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• 22:47
  S5: Okay, coming up here in a moment. We want some stats.
• 22:50
  S5: Give me some stats. We call them the stat man.
• 22:53
  S5: But we brought in the super stat man for this.
• 22:56
  S6: One.
• 22:56
  S3: Stat man. We take a look at what's going on
• 22:59
  S3: culturally what's going on in terms of worldview. Sometimes you
• 23:03
  S3: can feel like you have an idea, but then you
• 23:05
  S3: see numbers and go, okay, that makes a lot of sense.
• 23:08
  S3: Doctor Adam Rasmussen from the Cultural Center joins us. Coming up.
• 23:13
  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 23:17
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 23:19
  S5: Good numbers are absolutely awesome and essential. Now, I know
• 23:24
  S5: I'm a number freak and I have been forever, but
• 23:28
  S5: it's because I love it. It moves you beyond the
• 23:32
  S5: theoretical to the concrete. You can. You can postulate all
• 23:36
  S5: day long about where we are nationally, globally, uh, even
• 23:42
  S5: in communities. But when you get data points, it changes everything,
• 23:45
  S5: doesn't it?
• 23:46
  S3: It does. And we've got a numbers guy, doctor Adam Rasmussen.
• 23:50
  S3: Hopefully he's okay with me calling him that. He's a
• 23:52
  S3: fellow at the Cultural Research Center, uh, that was formed
• 23:55
  S3: in partnership with Doctor George Barna, uh, in order to
• 23:58
  S3: produce credible research and analysis to show the impact of
• 24:02
  S3: the biblical worldview on American culture.
• 24:05
  S5: Yeah. Good to have you with us, Adam. All right, man,
• 24:08
  S5: you've had a lot of phenomenal numbers come out even
• 24:12
  S5: in the recently December 10th, 2025 here, just a few
• 24:16
  S5: months ago. Why do you do what you do? Let's
• 24:19
  S5: start there. Adam, how'd you get into this?
• 24:22
  S7: We want to help the church. So we exist at
• 24:26
  S7: the cultural research Center at Arizona Christian University to provide
• 24:31
  S7: resources for the church to look at biblical worldview in
• 24:35
  S7: America and how we can restore some of those foundations.
• 24:40
  S7: So we're going to be talking about some of those
• 24:41
  S7: numbers today. But that's our that's our main goal, theologically
• 24:45
  S7: and culturally conservative university. And we just want to help
• 24:49
  S7: the church.
• 24:50
  S5: Okay. One of the stats that is really blowing my
• 24:54
  S5: mind is 4%. You have found through an extensive group
• 24:59
  S5: of people in research, 4% of the American population. We
• 25:04
  S5: got listeners beyond that in Canada and beyond. But this
• 25:08
  S5: is a good kind of Beaker test here. 4% hold
• 25:12
  S5: a Christian worldview that directs their private and public lives. Uh,
• 25:17
  S5: give us some of the metadata on that. Why is
• 25:20
  S5: that so important for us to know? It's a shockingly
• 25:22
  S5: low number compared to 24% who call themselves Evangelicals are
• 25:27
  S5: Bible believing, Adam.
• 25:29
  S7: Right? Okay, so Ali called me a numbers guy. So
• 25:32
  S7: here we go. You're right. 4% would have what we
• 25:35
  S7: call a biblical worldview. And then about one quarter of
• 25:41
  S7: adults in America would say that they are evangelical Christians
• 25:46
  S7: and around 62 to 66%, depending on which source you're
• 25:52
  S7: looking at, would say that they're Christian. Okay. So let's
• 25:55
  S7: look over those numbers again. Two thirds of Americans would
• 25:58
  S7: say they're Christian. About a quarter of Americans would say
• 26:02
  S7: that they're evangelical. But what we've found is when you
• 26:05
  S7: square that against the Bible and what the Bible teaches,
• 26:09
  S7: only 4% have a Genesis to Revelation understanding of God,
• 26:14
  S7: Jesus salvation and their own, you know, life and purpose.
• 26:20
  S7: So isn't that alarming?
• 26:22
  S6: It is.
• 26:22
  S3: What do you make of that?
• 26:24
  S7: Well, I make of it that we are measuring averages.
• 26:27
  S7: We're looking at numbers. Okay. So this is a scientific study.
• 26:31
  S7: And it's at the 95th confidence interval with plus 1
• 26:35
  S7: or 2 you know plus or minus. This is a
• 26:38
  S7: scientific study over 2000 adults representative sample of those in America.
• 26:44
  S7: And I think that when you look at all of
• 26:48
  S7: the societal ills, we can talk about abortion rates, we
• 26:51
  S7: can talk about divorce, we can talk about quiet quitters,
• 26:54
  S7: all of those things, all those other numbers are physical
• 26:58
  S7: symptoms of a spiritual problem. So when we say only 4%
• 27:05
  S7: are taking their ideas about God, the universe and themselves
• 27:08
  S7: from the Bible, we have a spiritual problem. So that's
• 27:12
  S7: what I think of it.
• 27:13
  S5: You know, it's interesting Barna has not been one to commentate.
• 27:18
  S5: He does make some commentary on these studies. You're joined
• 27:21
  S5: in partnership with him. But he did say something at
• 27:25
  S5: the end of this study. I don't have it open,
• 27:27
  S5: but I've got it in my head. Something. The effect
• 27:29
  S5: of this probably is a dinner bell for us to
• 27:33
  S5: not invite necessarily a lot more people to the church.
• 27:36
  S5: That's not our biggest challenge, but to work with those
• 27:40
  S5: that are in the church to bolster what we believe
• 27:43
  S5: and why. What do you think about that, Adam?
• 27:46
  S7: Yes, our statistics show that. And just bottom line, we
• 27:50
  S7: look at D.L. Moody. We look at others that brought
• 27:53
  S7: meaning revival, the gospel. When you want to see culture change,
• 27:58
  S7: it works this way. God changes the church and the
• 28:03
  S7: church changes the culture.
• 28:04
  S5: Amen.
• 28:05
  S7: So what we have to do is get back to
• 28:08
  S7: preaching the gospel. And that's going to involve things like sin, repentance. Yes, faith.
• 28:15
  S7: And those things are not being we can measure those things.
• 28:18
  S7: They are, on average, not happening in our churches. So yes,
• 28:23
  S7: I would say, of course, we need to reach our neighbors.
• 28:26
  S7: We need to reach the lost. Those that don't go
• 28:28
  S7: to church. You also have to realize those people are
• 28:31
  S7: in the pew right next to you at church.
• 28:34
  S3: Doctor Adam Rasmussen with the Cultural Research Center. Our guest
• 28:37
  S3: this morning. You know, you mentioned sin. I know you
• 28:39
  S3: also had a report, the Cultural Research Center had a
• 28:41
  S3: report out last year about sin and how American Christians
• 28:46
  S3: define sinfulness. What did you find in that report?
• 28:51
  S7: Well, Ali, 84% of adults in America, whether they're Christian
• 28:56
  S7: or atheist or whatever, they would say sin exists. They would. Now,
• 29:00
  S7: how do we define it? That's the question. So it's
• 29:04
  S7: very interesting study. You can look at it September 4th, 2025.
• 29:08
  S7: All of this is free on our website. It's very interesting.
• 29:12
  S7: So what are we going to do when people know, okay,
• 29:14
  S7: I do things that are bad or wrong. And only 72%
• 29:19
  S7: of Americans would say that sin is disobedience to God.
• 29:22
  S7: And then if you keep going down, only 3% of
• 29:26
  S7: Americans would say that they are not going to heaven.
• 29:30
  S7: They're going to the other place. So the idea of
• 29:34
  S7: God as being holy, or us having to have repentance
• 29:39
  S7: and forgiveness through Jesus alone isn't there? I think people
• 29:43
  S7: in America really want honesty across the board. That's the
• 29:48
  S7: one thing that people really don't like is when people
• 29:51
  S7: lie to better themselves. We think that's just egregious. But
• 29:58
  S7: there are a lot of other behaviors that we tend
• 30:00
  S7: to look away from. And I'm talking about the average American.
• 30:04
  S7: I'm not talking about that 4% or group that are
• 30:07
  S7: really locked in on the Bible.
• 30:09
  S5: I want to go back to something that you just said.
• 30:11
  S5: Doctor Adam Rasmussen is our guest. He's a fellow at
• 30:15
  S5: the Cultural Research Center, and we're going to have a
• 30:17
  S5: link for you here in just a moment. Boom crew
• 30:19
  S5: that's going to get you on to all these stats.
• 30:21
  S5: Because if you're like me. Not everyone is, but you
• 30:24
  S5: love numbers and that this is profound insight. You know,
• 30:28
  S5: I've done some study on the Great Awakenings, and I
• 30:31
  S5: think a lot of people think this is a good
• 30:34
  S5: assumption that if we're going to see a cultural shift
• 30:39
  S5: and a revival, we would think those numbers would be
• 30:42
  S5: up around 51%, just a tipping point where the tide's
• 30:47
  S5: starting to move the other direction. But in the Great Awakenings,
• 30:50
  S5: that wasn't the case. But if you look at what
• 30:53
  S5: happened in the Great Awakenings, they had, 15% of the
• 30:57
  S5: population would have fallen into what is now 4%, which
• 31:01
  S5: Christian worldview they taught on sin. They were convicted of sin,
• 31:05
  S5: they repented, they turned, and that 15% was so alive
• 31:10
  S5: in Christ that it created social plate shifts. That changed
• 31:17
  S5: the whole, uh, morality of our nation radically. So I'm
• 31:23
  S5: coming back to this. This is not about vast numbers
• 31:27
  S5: of people that necessarily hear about Jesus. This is about
• 31:32
  S5: smaller numbers, lesser numbers who are radically committed to Christ.
• 31:37
  S5: And we can see things change. Thoughts on that one, Adam?
• 31:41
  S7: Uh, 100% agree with you. The message of truth and
• 31:44
  S7: love that Jesus proclaimed with his very life are the
• 31:48
  S7: model and power for Christian living. And historically speaking, Carl,
• 31:52
  S7: when Christians have lived out those principles in their day
• 31:55
  S7: to day lives, reforms have swept through culture that benefit
• 31:59
  S7: all people. And you're right, we're called to be salt
• 32:02
  S7: and light, and we will be until the Lord returns.
• 32:06
  S7: George Barnes said if we have about 10% of discipled
• 32:10
  S7: up Christians, we can really make a huge difference. Yeah,
• 32:14
  S7: you and I don't bring the Holy Spirit. We don't
• 32:16
  S7: bring the fire, but we prepare the firewood and we
• 32:20
  S7: get ready and we say, oh Lord, in our generation.
• 32:23
  S7: And isn't that what we're trying to do? Isn't that
• 32:25
  S7: what you're trying to do with your program and with
• 32:28
  S7: my ministry? We want to tell people the good news
• 32:31
  S7: of Jesus. And really, it is for all of life.
• 32:35
  S7: And we've seen it happen in various generations. Let's have
• 32:38
  S7: it happen here.
• 32:39
  S3: Doctor Adam Rasmussen, our guest this morning. What trends are
• 32:43
  S3: you looking at this coming year? Can you forecast a
• 32:46
  S3: little bit for us what you're going to be tracking?
• 32:49
  S7: That's a great question. I think what we've seen is
• 32:52
  S7: that there's a rising group of young people and among
• 32:56
  S7: men as well. That's exciting to see. We have other
• 33:00
  S7: things that we want to keep watching, like right here
• 33:02
  S7: at Arizona Christian University. We have an amazing program to
• 33:06
  S7: develop students in their biblical worldview. And so we have
• 33:09
  S7: a longitudinal study that we just released over five years.
• 33:13
  S7: And we've been able to see Worldview impact among young
• 33:17
  S7: people here. So I think those are some of the
• 33:19
  S7: things that we're looking forward to.
• 33:20
  S5: Man, I love this. Adam, we got to get you
• 33:23
  S5: back here more often. How often do you drop, uh,
• 33:26
  S5: research pieces?
• 33:28
  S7: A couple times a month. Uh, we usually take a
• 33:31
  S7: little bit of a break during the summer, so I
• 33:34
  S7: would say they're going to be about ten a year.
• 33:37
  S7: But then George Barna does some others outside of the
• 33:40
  S7: cultural research Center that are pretty interesting to see as well.
• 33:44
  S7: And we'll see what we're talking about here coming up
• 33:46
  S7: in 2026.
• 33:48
  S5: Yeah. Beautiful man. Love having you here bro. Okay. We've
• 33:51
  S5: got a piece of content for you that is going
• 33:54
  S5: to be super helpful from December 10th, 2025. This piece
• 33:59
  S5: reveals 4% worldview and some other important stats as well.
• 34:05
  S3: Text research to 855 five 7898. Research to 855 five 7898.
• 34:14
  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 34:18
  S1: and crew.
• 34:19
  S5: One of the toughest topics that we have to address
• 34:22
  S5: around here, and we must is abuse, both physical and verbal.
• 34:27
  S5: And it's heartbreaking because some of you maybe even listening today, or,
• 34:31
  S5: you know, someone who needs to be listening is in
• 34:34
  S5: a situation like this right now.
• 34:36
  S3: So coming up, we are going to have a conversation with.
• 34:39
  S3: He's become a favorite expert on our show, Doctor David Clarke,
• 34:43
  S3: talking specifically about narcissism, among other things. But we're going
• 34:47
  S3: to really dive into that one. Maybe you hear people
• 34:49
  S3: talk use that word. Maybe I'm married to a narcissist,
• 34:53
  S3: or I have a friend who's a narcissist. What does
• 34:56
  S3: that mean? And what do you do if that's what
• 34:59
  S3: you've identified?
• 35:00
  S5: Yeah. And and I think what we need to get
• 35:03
  S5: into with them is we throw a lot of words around.
• 35:07
  S5: What does it mean? Right.
• 35:08
  S3: Exactly.
• 35:09
  S5: Yeah. What does it mean? And then the most important
• 35:13
  S5: question what do we do about it? Hang on, Doctor Clark,
• 35:17
  S5: straight ahead.
• 35:18
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 35:21
  S5: Relationships are tough. Come on. We. The reason we bring
• 35:26
  S5: in experts on marriage, family, discipleship, like we're hammering a
• 35:31
  S5: lot here as of late is because relationships are tough. Oftentimes,
• 35:36
  S5: it's easier to just back up, go to your corner,
• 35:39
  S5: and kind of hope things get better. When it comes
• 35:42
  S5: to the issue of abuse in marriage, let's just jump
• 35:46
  S5: right in here. There is physical abuse and there is
• 35:50
  S5: verbal abuse, for which, as a pastor, I just want
• 35:53
  S5: to be really clear. I have prescribed many times separation,
• 35:56
  S5: not divorce. That's for someone to make up their mind
• 36:00
  S5: given the circumstances of each situation. But emotional abuse, abandonment,
• 36:07
  S5: physical abuse it's good to get an expert in. David Clark, PhD,
• 36:12
  S5: here with us right now. This is real, isn't it?
• 36:15
  S5: And yet, how systemic is it? We often throw words
• 36:18
  S5: around like abuse. We got to be careful. But we
• 36:22
  S5: need to be clear, don't we, David?
• 36:24
  S8: Well we do. And it is out there. And it's
• 36:27
  S8: as much in the church as it is anywhere else.
• 36:29
  S8: We're churning out narcissists and abusers by the millions. But
• 36:34
  S8: we need to be careful. That's why we need to
• 36:36
  S8: talk to an expert therapist, someone who gets it, who
• 36:39
  S8: can evaluate you carefully to figure out is this a
• 36:43
  S8: difficult person and a conflicted marriage, or is it something
• 36:46
  S8: far worse?
• 36:48
  S3: Doctor David Clark with us right now. Okay, so I
• 36:50
  S3: want to go back to what you just said. This
• 36:52
  S3: is as rampant and prevalent in the church as anywhere else. That.
• 36:57
  S8: Yeah.
• 36:58
  S3: Explain. Because that's that's surprising.
• 37:02
  S8: These. Well, I'm doing a whole series on covert narcs now.
• 37:05
  S8: The covert narcissists, these guys and women to look beautiful
• 37:09
  S8: on Sunday morning. Everybody loves them. They know the pastor
• 37:12
  S8: they're serving. And they, as the Bible says, as Jesus
• 37:15
  S8: says himself, they are wolves in sheep's clothing. Uh, so
• 37:19
  S8: we have to be careful. You don't you don't know anybody.
• 37:21
  S8: If you know them on Sunday, you don't know them
• 37:23
  S8: unless you live with them. So. And they and the
• 37:26
  S8: church is a breeding ground. Oh, nice people, Christian people.
• 37:30
  S8: You can fool them if you know what you're doing. Easily.
• 37:34
  S5: Okay. I want to stop right here because we have
• 37:37
  S5: a an assumption, a presupposition on this radio show that's
• 37:41
  S5: grounded in Scripture. And I'm wondering, look, I know that
• 37:46
  S5: disciples of Christ can get derailed and do stupid, dumb things.
• 37:50
  S5: And in the process of discipleship, a lot of things
• 37:52
  S5: have to change. Family of origin, the way we learned,
• 37:55
  S5: the way we behave. But my contention is a lot
• 37:59
  S5: of these people are Christian in name only. They've not
• 38:01
  S5: been born again because the gap between what Pew says 24%
• 38:06
  S5: of the American population says, I'm evangelical, go to a
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  S5: Bible preaching church or whatever, versus those that have a
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  S5: biblical worldview and order their private and public lives around it,
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  S5: which is 4%. I'm wondering if a lot of these
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  S5: people claim in the name of Christ are not truly
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  S5: born again. And from your experience, do you find that
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  S5: to be the case?
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  S8: Oh, absolutely. Carl. Absolutely. When you do the evaluation, whether
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  S8: I'm talking to them directly or I'm talking to their wife,
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  S8: which is more the case. Oh, yeah. Now they'll pretend
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  S8: to be Christians. They don't know Jesus, the real monsters.
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  S8: Now they can fake it beautifully. Not true. They are
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  S8: their own God. They do not know Jesus. Oh. And
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  S8: so therefore, there is no hope for change. Absolutely not.
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  S8: Unless they come to Jesus and they're probably not going to.
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  S3: The word narcissist narcissism. I don't know that if I
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  S3: heard that word five times in my first 20 years
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  S3: of life, but boy oh boy do I hear it
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  S3: all the time now. Is that a Diagnosis. Is that
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  S3: something that we should be freely saying about other people?
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  S3: Is that something that's easily observable? Because if you look
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  S3: on social media, everybody's a narcissist nowadays.
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  S8: Boy, isn't that the truth. It's just exploded. And there's
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  S8: so many people on the air and in media who
• 39:25
  S8: don't have the slightest clue. I mean, these are these
• 39:27
  S8: are just amateurs, and they're spouting off this and that. No.
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  S8: You need. That's why the evaluation is so important. I'm
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  S8: not going to call anybody that until I've done a
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  S8: careful evaluation by the person living with that person who's
• 39:40
  S8: who's who's telling me the truth. I know the questions
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  S8: to ask. Narcissism is a pattern of abusive behavior. This
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  S8: is a spectacularly selfish individual controlled by Satan. That gets
• 39:52
  S8: to your point, Carl. Do they do not know Jesus?
• 39:54
  S8: Satan and his demons are all over this person who
• 39:57
  S8: slowly destroys his partner over time, or her partner and
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  S8: blames the partner for their destruction. That's a narcissist. I
• 40:04
  S8: mean evil, yeah, Evil.
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  S5: Uh, let's get into how this manifests itself. David. We've
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  S5: got physical abuse. No brainer. Get out of there for
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  S5: your own safety and for the welfare of everyone, including
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  S5: the abuser. Uh, and then we have verbal abuse, which
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  S5: is brutal. And I, as a pastor, recommend separation. I
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  S5: never prescribe divorce. I believe the Scripture gives us a couple.
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  S5: I'm going to use air quotes outs here. I do
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  S5: believe God's a miracle worker, but when you have infidelity
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  S5: and or abandonment, some of these physical and emotional abusers
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  S5: are they have essentially abandoned their spouse. I don't want
• 40:49
  S5: to get mushy on this. I want to be clear, David.
• 40:51
  S5: You don't prescribe divorce immediately. Don't. But you need to
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  S5: get some space there on these cases, correct?
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  S9: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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  S8: If at all possible. Physical separation is critical. A lot
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  S8: of these ladies I talked to especially, they're codependent, they're
• 41:05
  S8: trauma bonded. They are. They are just helpless. So it
• 41:08
  S8: may take a year, 18 months, two years to to
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  S8: really get strong enough to be able to make the break.
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  S8: But first, I'm very careful on the evaluation because if
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  S8: we have a marriage that's difficult, that's conflicted. I work
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  S8: with those for 35, 40 years and we still do
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  S8: on occasion. Okay, those can be saved. Both Christians, people
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  S8: working towards it. Okay. I don't care what the mess is,
• 41:28
  S8: but if you're with a monster, okay, that's a different story.
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  S8: We're going to have a secret plan to get you out.
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  S8: And these it's like these narcissists go to they go
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  S8: to the woods. There's camps in the woods where they
• 41:39
  S8: learn how to be one and they're all the same.
• 41:41
  S8: It's the same horrible stuff, but nobody knows it outside
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  S8: the four walls of your home.
• 41:47
  S3: Doctor Dave Clark with us right now, Christian psychologist, author.
• 41:51
  S3: He has written extensively, authored over 20 books. Coming up,
• 41:55
  S3: let's dig in a little bit deeper because you're listening
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  S3: and you're going, boy, this is strong language. But I'm
• 42:00
  S3: also hearing some things that maybe sound familiar? Or am
• 42:04
  S3: I married to a narcissist? Let's talk about that. Coming up.
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  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S3: Got a special guest with us this morning, doctor Dave Clark.
• 42:17
  S3: He's a Christian psychologist. Author. Define narcissist. How do I
• 42:22
  S3: know if I'm married to one?
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  S8: It is an incredibly, spectacularly, amazingly selfish individual who's controlled
• 42:30
  S8: by Satan, who is destroying you step by step with
• 42:34
  S8: a pattern of abusive behavior. And I can go over
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  S8: some of the categories.
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  S5: Let's, let's, let's do that. Let's get some of those categories.
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  S8: We have verbal abuse always. Now the covert is better rather,
• 42:45
  S8: but the overt is going to really blast you. Personal attacks,
• 42:48
  S8: criticism of all types and description. You can't do anything.
• 42:52
  S8: You can't load the dishwasher correctly. You can't do the laundry.
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  S8: It goes on. Bad mother, bad wife, never good enough.
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  S8: Any kind of a decent, godly man would never treat
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  S8: his wife that way. I neglect your needs. I don't
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  S8: care about your needs. That's your problem. Your job is
• 43:09
  S8: to meet my needs. There was a refusal to communicate.
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  S8: This person will not talk about any issue he doesn't
• 43:15
  S8: want to talk about. Well, you can't have a marriage
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  S8: under those circumstances. The silent treatment is one of the hallmarks.
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  S8: I will cut you off. I will act like you
• 43:24
  S8: wouldn't exist for hours, days, weeks. Oh, my. That just
• 43:29
  S8: tears a woman to shreds. And there's no excuse for it,
• 43:32
  S8: of course, but he. And this is one of the
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  S8: hallmarks to everything is your fault. When I'm silent treatment
• 43:37
  S8: to you, it's your fault. Everything is your fault. There's control.
• 43:41
  S8: There's there's there's there's anger outbursts. There's there's often sexual issues,
• 43:46
  S8: sexual abuse. And guess what? I'm also turning your kids
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  S8: against you along the way here. It's nasty.
• 43:53
  S5: This is ringing a bell for a lot of people.
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  S5: Too many. Quite candidly, right now, what is the first
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  S5: step for someone that finds himself in this position.
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  S8: I have to figure out if I'm in fact, with
• 44:06
  S8: a full blown narcissist. Someone with narcissistic traits in fact
• 44:10
  S8: can change and that person can know Jesus. But if
• 44:13
  S8: you get a full blown narc on your hands, uh,
• 44:15
  S8: he's not going to change. Almost certainly. So we got
• 44:18
  S8: to find out. Am I married to one? And that's
• 44:21
  S8: why Moody Publishers publish my book. Enough is enough. But
• 44:26
  S8: that will. The first six chapters are are specifically describing
• 44:30
  S8: a narcissist. So we know exactly what we're dealing with.
• 44:34
  S8: Once you know that, then you begin a plan of
• 44:37
  S8: healing yourself. You don't fool with the other. You don't
• 44:39
  S8: bother with marriage counseling. Waste of time with a guy
• 44:41
  S8: like this and a waste of money. You'll just snowball
• 44:45
  S8: the counselor and twist words and not even show up
• 44:47
  S8: half the time. So we're getting it to get you strong.
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  S8: We're going to get you because you've given yourself up
• 44:52
  S8: to this person. We're going to get you back and
• 44:54
  S8: you're going to get strong. You're going to work with
• 44:55
  S8: the kids. Enough is enough covers a lot of that,
• 44:58
  S8: these steps of preparation to get away from him. But
• 45:01
  S8: first of all, I got to find out. And this
• 45:03
  S8: takes years to find out. Uh oh. This is what
• 45:05
  S8: I've got.
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  S3: Doctor Dave Clark, give us a story. I know you
• 45:09
  S3: don't give us details, but help us to picture this
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  S3: through a story.
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  S8: Here's a lady. Been married for 25 years to a
• 45:20
  S8: narcissist and just. It's taken her just about 25 years
• 45:24
  S8: to figure it out because he's so good. He's so smooth.
• 45:28
  S8: Everybody loves him. Kids love him. Neighbors love him. He's
• 45:31
  S8: a servant. He treats her like garbage. But he's so
• 45:34
  S8: clever with his words that he twists things and it
• 45:36
  S8: makes it seem like it's her fault. Everything is her fault.
• 45:39
  S8: If only you would, Betty. Fill in the blank. Everything
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  S8: would be different. He's calm, he's rational. So. But she's.
• 45:45
  S8: The light is just beginning to dawn. I talked to
• 45:49
  S8: this lady just recently. As a matter of fact, it's
• 45:50
  S8: described many ladies I talked to on the phone and
• 45:52
  S8: my phone advice sessions. But she's now figured out, uh oh,
• 45:55
  S8: my body is telling me I'm breaking down physically because
• 45:58
  S8: of the stress, the adrenaline rush, autoimmune disorders. I'm emotionally
• 46:03
  S8: a wreck. Panic attacks, depression, anxiety of all types, fight
• 46:08
  S8: or flight now and she's just starting to just starting
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  S8: to get it. We have a phone advice session. I
• 46:14
  S8: refer to some materials to her. Enough is Enough is
• 46:16
  S8: one of those. And now she's going, oh, I get it.
• 46:19
  S8: And God is opening her eyes and it's always God's timing.
• 46:23
  S8: She feels bad because she didn't leave before. But I say,
• 46:25
  S8: don't worry, no regrets. We're going to get you out now.
• 46:28
  S8: And she's going to take the steps she's going to take.
• 46:30
  S8: In fact, this lady, it took her, I think a year,
• 46:32
  S8: the one I'm talking about in my mind to get out. Wow.
• 46:35
  S8: She frontloaded everything. She told this dirt ball nothing because
• 46:39
  S8: you keep it a secret. And she left him. She
• 46:42
  S8: took some kids and she left him. And they're going
• 46:45
  S8: through divorce now. And it's not pretty, but she is
• 46:48
  S8: going to be free.
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  S5: So I'm sensitive to the guys listening right now. I mean,
• 46:53
  S5: very candidly, early on in my marriage relationship, I, I
• 46:58
  S5: had some of those symptoms. I mean, I would filibuster
• 47:01
  S5: my wife. I would come up with excuses. But there was,
• 47:06
  S5: at the end of the day, um, a brokenness and
• 47:09
  S5: a humility that God birthed within me, that I had
• 47:12
  S5: to face it and see it and own it. I
• 47:15
  S5: there's hope for. I'm thinking about any man or woman
• 47:19
  S5: listening right now who goes, oh boy, some of that's me,
• 47:22
  S5: but not in total because I'm still teachable and humble
• 47:25
  S5: and I will break. Um, when I see tears, give
• 47:30
  S5: encouragement to that person that's worth hanging in there and
• 47:34
  S5: doing a deep dive on discipleship as a couple and
• 47:36
  S5: getting counsel, is there not, David?
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  S8: Oh it is. And see that you've hit the nail
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  S8: on the head, Carl. That's the difference. I could tell
• 47:44
  S8: you stories of our early marriage. Clueless. I was spoiled
• 47:48
  S8: as a child anyway, but I learned. See, the difference
• 47:50
  S8: is we are decent people. We do know Jesus. And
• 47:53
  S8: we got it. And we broke and we repented. And
• 47:56
  S8: we went through a process of change. A good man
• 47:58
  S8: that will always happen with a good man with a
• 48:01
  S8: dirtball it ain't ever going to happen. But you're a
• 48:03
  S8: good person, man or woman, and we're all sinners. If
• 48:06
  S8: you will start working on yourself and drawing close to
• 48:10
  S8: the Lord and working on these areas. Oh, absolutely. You
• 48:13
  S8: can change.
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  S3: Our guest this morning, Doctor Dave Clark. This is a
• 48:17
  S3: tough topic. And as you're listening, if some of this
• 48:20
  S3: is ringing true and you're not really sure where to turn,
• 48:23
  S3: I want to give you a link that's going to
• 48:24
  S3: get get you access to resources to Doctor Clark's website.
• 48:29
  S3: He does offer those phone consultations. If you want to
• 48:33
  S3: get more information, just text enough to 800 555 7898.
• 48:40
  S3: Text enough to 800 555 7898. Doctor Clark, if a
• 48:47
  S3: woman or a man I want to be want to
• 48:50
  S3: be fair here, if feels like they may be in
• 48:53
  S3: a situation as you've described, who are the right people
• 48:56
  S3: to get around them? Because this is not a time
• 48:59
  S3: period to be walking in isolation.
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  S8: Right. You need a solid support group of people who
• 49:05
  S8: who believe you, who love you, who believe you. And
• 49:07
  S8: I'm betting as you start telling the truth to these
• 49:10
  S8: key people mom, dad, brother, sister, close friend, could could
• 49:14
  S8: be a pastor and they will believe you. And they'll say,
• 49:18
  S8: you know what? We've seen some things we're not sure,
• 49:21
  S8: but we believe you. And they will believe you and
• 49:23
  S8: they will rally around you. Yeah. We don't we don't
• 49:25
  S8: this won't fight this battle alone. You're going to have
• 49:28
  S8: to have some key people. It's always a small group.
• 49:30
  S8: There's a bunch of fence sitters and people that are
• 49:32
  S8: clueless or who just don't care. Or you can't trust,
• 49:35
  S8: maybe even in your own family. So we're very careful
• 49:37
  S8: with selecting these people, but these are your warriors because
• 49:41
  S8: you're going to war, to rebuild your life and to
• 49:44
  S8: get free.
• 49:46
  S5: Takes the word enough to 805, 55, 78, 98, enough
• 49:50
  S5: to 805, five, five, 78, 98.