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How Children's Books Support Kids with Dyslexia (A Mother-Son Story) · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

3:49
Lynn,
3:49
Jonathan,
3:50
welcome
3:50
to
3:51
Adventures
3:51
in
3:51
the
3:52
Heart
3:52
of
3:52
Children's
3:53
Book
3:53
Authors.
3:53
Thanks
3:53
for
3:54
joining
3:54
us
3:54
today.
3:55
Thanks
3:55
for
3:56
having
3:56
us.
3:57
My
3:57
pleasure.
3:58
So
3:59
if
3:59
we
4:00
could
4:00
just
4:00
jump
4:00
right
4:01
in
4:01
and
4:01
you
4:01
could
4:01
tell
4:02
us
4:02
about
4:02
the
4:02
inspiration
4:04
behind
4:05
Robbie
4:05
the
4:05
Dyslexic
4:06
Taxi
4:07
and
4:07
the
4:07
airport
4:08
adventure.
4:09
How
4:09
did
4:09
it
4:10
all
4:10
get
4:10
started?
4:12
And
4:12
I'd
4:13
love
4:13
to
4:13
hear
4:13
from
4:13
both
4:13
of
4:14
you.
4:14
Get,
4:14
get
4:15
both
4:15
of
4:15
your
4:15
opinions.
4:16
We,
4:16
like
4:17
everyone
4:17
else
4:17
during
4:18
lockdown,
4:18
we
4:19
were
4:19
looking
4:19
for
4:20
things
4:20
to
4:20
do,
4:21
and
4:21
we
4:22
baked
4:22
a
4:22
lot
4:22
of
4:22
bread
4:23
and
4:23
we
4:23
started
4:23
a
4:24
garden.
4:24
And
4:25
John
4:25
was
4:26
home
4:26
from
4:26
college
4:26
and
4:27
he's
4:27
an
4:27
art
4:28
major,
4:29
and
4:29
there
4:29
just
4:29
wasn't
4:29
a
4:30
lot
4:30
for
4:30
him
4:30
to
4:31
do.
4:31
And
4:32
it's
4:32
hard
4:32
to
4:32
do
4:33
art
4:33
virtually.
4:34
And
4:34
I
4:35
was
4:35
reading
4:35
on
4:36
FaceTime
4:36
to
4:36
my
4:36
child,
4:37
my
4:37
grandchildren,
4:38
and
4:39
we
4:39
started
4:39
talking
4:40
about
4:40
what
4:40
would
4:40
a
4:41
project
4:41
look
4:41
like,
4:42
Maybe
4:42
we
4:42
could
4:42
write
4:42
a
4:43
children's
4:43
book.
4:44
And
4:45
what
4:45
do
4:45
we
4:46
know
4:46
about.
4:47
And
4:47
from
4:47
that
4:48
conversation,
4:49
that's
4:49
how
4:49
we
4:49
got
4:50
to
4:50
Robbie.
4:51
And
4:52
John
4:52
can
4:52
talk
4:53
to
4:53
the
4:53
Speak
4:53
to
4:54
the
4:54
Dyslexic
4:55
Taxi
4:55
part
4:55
of
4:55
it.
4:56
Jonathan
4:57
as
4:57
mentioned,
4:58
I
4:58
was
4:59
an
4:59
art
4:59
student.
5:00
I
5:00
am
5:00
an
5:01
art
5:01
student.
5:02
During
5:02
this
5:02
period
5:03
of
5:03
time,
5:03
there
5:03
was
5:03
a
5:03
lot
5:04
of
5:04
free
5:05
time.
5:06
And
5:07
especially
5:07
when,
5:08
like
5:08
a
5:08
figure
5:08
drawing
5:09
course
5:09
tells
5:10
you
5:10
to
5:10
write
5:10
an
5:10
essay
5:11
about
5:11
something,
5:11
it
5:12
shows
5:12
that
5:12
there's
5:12
a
5:12
bit
5:13
of
5:13
a
5:13
disconnect.
5:14
As
5:14
my
5:14
mom
5:15
mentioned,
5:15
we
5:16
just
5:16
started
5:16
discussing
5:17
all
5:17
of
5:17
this
5:17
stuff
5:18
and,
5:19
well,
5:19
one
5:19
of
5:20
the
5:20
reasons
5:20
we
5:20
decided
5:21
on
5:21
using
5:21
dyslexia
5:22
was
5:22
because
5:22
it
5:23
was
5:23
something
5:23
we've
5:24
all
5:24
had
5:24
to
5:25
deal
5:25
with
5:25
in
5:25
the
5:25
family.
5:26
I'm
5:26
the
5:26
only
5:26
one
5:27
who
5:27
had
5:27
it.
5:28
Everyone
5:28
else
5:29
had
5:29
to
5:30
pull
5:30
together
5:30
and
5:31
really
5:32
buck
5:32
up
5:33
to
5:33
help
5:33
me
5:34
be
5:34
able
5:34
to
5:34
read
5:35
and
5:35
write.
5:35
So
5:35
it's
5:36
something
5:36
they're
5:36
all
5:36
very
5:37
familiar
5:37
with.
5:38
And
5:38
so
5:39
when
5:39
we
5:40
were
5:40
thinking
5:40
about
5:40
it,
5:40
we
5:40
realized
5:41
there's
5:41
not
5:41
a
5:41
lot
5:42
of
5:42
literature
5:43
out
5:43
there
5:43
for
5:44
people
5:44
in
5:44
a
5:44
situation
5:45
like
5:45
mine,
5:45
which
5:46
is
5:46
somewhat
5:47
understandable
5:48
because
5:48
it's
5:48
usually
5:49
expected
5:49
that
5:50
someone
5:50
who
5:50
might
5:51
not
5:51
be
5:51
able
5:51
to
5:51
read,
5:52
why
5:52
would
5:52
they
5:52
have
5:52
a
5:52
book?
5:53
But
5:53
we
5:53
wanted
5:53
to
5:53
change
5:54
that
5:54
by
5:55
making
5:55
stories
5:56
for
5:57
people
5:57
who
5:57
we
5:58
felt
5:58
didn't
5:59
have
5:59
enough
6:00
of
6:01
a
6:01
voice
6:01
in
6:02
the
6:02
book
6:02
world.
6:03
It's
6:03
quite
6:03
interesting,
6:04
too,
6:04
because
6:05
I
6:05
think
6:05
I
6:06
had
6:06
mentioned
6:06
to,
6:07
to
6:07
Lynn
6:07
and,
6:08
and
6:08
probably
6:08
to
6:08
you
6:09
too,
6:09
Jonathan.
6:10
I
6:10
had
6:10
my
6:11
youngest
6:11
granddaughter
6:12
over
6:12
and
6:13
she
6:13
saw
6:13
the
6:14
book
6:14
and
6:14
she
6:14
read
6:14
it
6:15
and
6:15
she,
6:16
she
6:16
knew
6:16
about
6:17
dyslexia.
6:18
And
6:18
I
6:18
thought,
6:19
oh,
6:19
how
6:20
did
6:20
you.
6:20
How
6:20
do
6:20
you
6:20
know
6:20
about
6:21
this?
6:21
And
6:21
she
6:22
said,
6:22
we
6:23
take
6:23
it
6:23
in
6:23
school.
6:24
And
6:24
I
6:24
thought,
6:25
oh,
6:26
I
6:26
never
6:26
took
6:27
it
6:27
in
6:27
school.
6:27
I
6:28
didn't
6:28
even
6:28
know
6:28
the
6:29
word.
6:29
And
6:30
so
6:30
it
6:30
was
6:30
quite
6:31
Interesting.
6:31
So
6:32
certainly
6:33
it's
6:34
neat
6:34
that
6:34
the
6:34
world
6:35
has
6:35
come
6:35
this
6:36
far.
6:37
And
6:37
she
6:38
found
6:38
the.
6:38
The
6:39
book
6:39
quite
6:39
fascinating.
6:41
So
6:41
thank
6:41
you,
6:41
so
6:41
nice
6:42
to
6:42
hear
6:42
for
6:42
writing
6:43
it.
6:43
That's
6:44
what
6:44
we
6:44
strive
6:44
for.
6:45
And
6:45
honestly,
6:46
even
6:46
for
6:46
people
6:46
who
6:47
don't
6:47
have
6:47
dyslexia,
6:48
one
6:48
of
6:48
the
6:48
reasons
6:49
we
6:49
wanted
6:49
to
6:49
do
6:49
it
6:49
was
6:50
to
6:50
cause.
6:51
Create
6:52
discussions
6:52
among
6:53
people.
6:53
And
6:54
that's
6:55
something,
6:55
whenever
6:55
we
6:56
hear
6:56
that
6:56
is
6:56
occurring,
6:57
it's
6:57
really.
6:58
Yeah.
6:58
Amazing
6:59
to
6:59
hear.
7:00
Absolutely.
7:01
Yeah.
7:02
Because
7:02
I
7:02
went
7:03
to
7:03
read
7:03
the
7:03
story
7:03
to
7:04
my
7:04
grandson's
7:05
class
7:06
and
7:06
at
7:07
the
7:07
time
7:07
a
7:07
lot
7:07
of
7:07
the
7:07
kids
7:08
were
7:08
learning
7:08
how
7:09
to
7:09
read
7:09
and
7:10
it
7:10
really
7:10
opened
7:10
up
7:11
conversations.
7:12
Kids
7:12
who
7:12
thought
7:13
that
7:13
sounds
7:13
like
7:14
me
7:14
or
7:15
other
7:15
kids
7:15
who
7:16
were
7:16
more
7:16
fluent
7:16
in
7:17
their
7:17
reading
7:17
and
7:18
thought,
7:18
huh,
7:19
now
7:19
I
7:19
get
7:19
to
7:20
understand
7:20
someone
7:21
else's
7:21
point
7:21
of
7:21
view.
7:22
Really
7:22
a
7:23
terrific
7:23
way
7:23
to
7:24
open
7:24
conversations
7:25
with
7:25
people
7:26
for
7:26
sure.
7:27
So
7:28
I'm
7:28
also
7:28
interested.
7:29
I
7:30
actually
7:30
have
7:31
your
7:31
website
7:31
up
7:32
on
7:32
my
7:32
iPad
7:33
and
7:34
I'm
7:35
also
7:35
interested
7:36
in
7:36
sharing
7:37
your
7:37
publishing
7:38
approach.
7:39
I
7:39
talk
7:40
about
7:40
being
7:41
self
7:41
published
7:42
or
7:42
traditionally
7:43
published.
7:44
Maybe
7:44
you
7:44
can
7:44
talk
7:45
a
7:45
little
7:45
bit
7:45
about
7:46
how
7:46
you
7:46
came
7:46
to
7:47
market
7:47
with
7:47
your
7:48
book.
7:48
We
7:49
originally
7:50
we
7:50
just
7:50
made
7:50
it
7:51
our
7:51
was
7:51
a
7:51
passion
7:52
project.
7:52
We
7:53
spent
7:53
time
7:53
together
7:54
and
7:54
we
7:54
enjoyed
7:55
working
7:56
together.
7:57
We
7:57
decided,
7:58
we
7:58
decided
7:59
to
7:59
just
7:59
see
7:59
where
7:59
it
8:00
took
8:00
us.
8:00
And
8:00
I
8:00
have
8:00
a
8:01
friend
8:01
who's
8:01
a
8:01
book
8:02
designer
8:02
and
8:03
I
8:03
showed
8:03
it
8:03
to
8:03
her
8:04
and
8:04
I
8:04
say,
8:04
tell
8:04
me
8:04
the
8:04
truth,
8:05
what
8:05
do
8:05
you
8:05
think?
8:06
Does
8:06
this
8:06
have
8:06
any
8:07
length?
8:07
And
8:07
she
8:07
said,
8:08
absolutely,
8:09
it's
8:09
adorable.
8:10
I'm
8:10
going
8:10
to
8:10
help
8:11
you
8:11
put
8:11
it
8:11
together.
8:12
And
8:13
I
8:13
think
8:13
once
8:14
we
8:14
had
8:14
that,
8:15
we
8:15
had
8:15
to
8:15
decide
8:16
what
8:16
to
8:16
do.
8:16
And
8:16
I
8:17
think
8:17
during
8:18
COVID
8:18
a
8:18
lot
8:18
of
8:19
people
8:19
decided
8:20
to
8:20
write
8:20
books.
8:21
And
8:21
we
8:21
were
8:21
told
8:22
by
8:22
quite
8:22
a
8:22
few
8:22
people
8:23
that
8:24
we
8:25
would
8:25
need
8:25
an
8:25
agent
8:26
to
8:26
find
8:26
a
8:27
publisher.
8:28
And
8:28
right
8:29
now
8:29
that
8:30
would
8:30
be
8:30
like
8:30
a
8:30
3,
8:31
4,
8:31
5
8:31
year
8:32
waiting
8:32
list
8:33
to
8:33
try
8:33
to
8:33
find
8:34
someone
8:34
to
8:34
help
8:34
us
8:34
with
8:35
that.
8:35
And
8:36
we
8:36
decided
8:36
that
8:37
we
8:37
really
8:37
wanted
8:38
to
8:38
put
8:38
this
8:38
story
8:39
out
8:40
and
8:40
we
8:40
decided
8:41
to
8:41
self
8:41
publish
8:42
and
8:43
hasn't
8:44
been
8:44
the
8:44
easiest
8:45
avenue,
8:46
but
8:46
it's
8:46
been
8:47
really
8:47
interesting
8:48
and
8:48
we've
8:49
learned
8:49
a
8:49
lot
8:49
from
8:49
it.
8:50
The
8:50
fact
8:50
that
8:50
we
8:50
can
8:51
just
8:51
hold
8:51
the
8:52
book
8:52
in
8:52
a
8:52
physical
8:53
form
8:53
and
8:53
send
8:53
it
8:53
to
8:54
other
8:54
people
8:54
is
8:54
frankly
8:55
amazing.
8:55
Yes,
8:56
absolutely.
8:57
I
8:57
know
8:57
exactly
8:58
what
8:58
you're
8:58
saying.
8:59
You
8:59
can
8:59
probably
8:59
see
9:00
I
9:00
have
9:00
your
9:00
book
9:00
in
9:01
the
9:01
background
9:02
there,
9:02
y'all.
9:02
It's
9:02
my
9:02
pleasure.
9:03
It
9:03
gives
9:03
me.
9:03
Robby,
9:04
that's
9:05
interesting
9:05
too.
9:05
So
9:06
I
9:06
wasn't
9:06
going
9:07
to
9:07
ask
9:07
this
9:07
question,
9:07
but
9:08
I'm
9:08
curious
9:08
and
9:09
you'll.
9:09
And
9:09
I'll
9:09
tell
9:09
you
9:10
in
9:10
a
9:10
moment
9:10
why
9:11
I'm
9:11
interested
9:12
is
9:12
why
9:13
Robbie
9:13
how
9:14
did
9:14
you.
9:14
Why
9:14
Robbie?
9:15
That's
9:16
because
9:16
my
9:17
middle
9:17
name
9:17
is
9:17
actually
9:18
Robert
9:19
now.
9:20
My
9:21
mom
9:21
wanted
9:21
to
9:21
use
9:22
one
9:22
of
9:22
either
9:23
my
9:23
first
9:23
or
9:23
last
9:23
name,
9:24
but
9:24
I
9:24
wanted
9:25
to
9:25
try
9:25
making
9:25
it
9:26
so
9:26
it
9:26
wasn't
9:26
just
9:26
a
9:27
complete
9:28
me
9:28
in
9:29
as
9:29
a
9:29
character.
9:30
So
9:30
we
9:30
compromised
9:31
and
9:31
chose
9:32
the
9:32
middle
9:32
name
9:32
and
9:32
gave
9:33
it
9:33
a
9:33
little
9:33
bit
9:33
of
9:33
a
9:33
more
9:34
cutesy
9:34
sounding
9:35
Y
9:36
at
9:36
the
9:36
end.
9:37
The
9:37
reason
9:37
I
9:38
ask
9:38
is
9:38
my
9:39
father
9:40
is
9:40
William
9:41
Robert
9:42
and
9:42
we
9:42
named
9:43
my
9:43
son
9:43
after
9:44
my
9:44
dad,
9:44
so
9:45
he's
9:45
William
9:45
Robert.
9:46
What's
9:47
interesting
9:47
is
9:48
they
9:48
both.
9:49
Actually
9:49
I
9:49
go
9:49
by
9:50
my
9:50
middle
9:50
name
9:50
also
9:51
because
9:51
I'm
9:51
William
9:51
Richard.
9:52
I
9:53
go
9:53
by
9:53
my
9:53
middle
9:53
name
9:54
the
9:54
whole.
9:54
So
9:55
my
9:55
dad
9:55
went
9:55
by
9:56
Bob
9:56
and
9:56
my.
9:57
My
9:57
son
9:58
goes
9:58
by
9:58
Bobby.
9:59
And
10:00
I
10:00
was
10:00
just
10:01
curious
10:01
on
10:02
why
10:02
Robbie.
10:03
That's
10:04
very
10:04
unsinkable
10:05
and
10:05
a
10:05
very
10:06
funny
10:06
coincidence.
10:07
Yeah,
10:07
absolutely.
10:08
When
10:09
you
10:09
say
10:09
you
10:09
self
10:09
publish,
10:10
so
10:10
you
10:11
did
10:11
you.
10:11
Are
10:11
you
10:12
just
10:12
doing
10:12
print
10:13
on
10:13
demand?
10:14
So
10:15
we
10:15
started
10:15
with
10:16
IngramSpark.
10:17
Okay.
10:18
And
10:19
navigate
10:19
that
10:20
a
10:20
little
10:20
bit.
10:21
And
10:21
we
10:21
decided
10:22
to
10:22
then
10:23
also
10:23
see
10:23
what
10:23
we
10:24
could
10:24
do
10:24
with
10:24
Amazon.
10:25
Kdp.
10:26
Yes.
10:27
And
10:27
that's
10:27
another
10:28
language.
10:29
You
10:29
have
10:29
to
10:29
set
10:30
it
10:30
up
10:30
differently.
10:31
Absolutely.
10:32
And
10:32
that
10:32
took
10:32
a
10:33
while
10:33
to
10:33
figure
10:33
out.
10:34
So
10:34
we
10:35
have
10:35
paperback
10:36
and
10:36
hardcover.
10:37
And
10:37
then
10:38
we
10:38
decided
10:38
to
10:39
try
10:39
to
10:40
go
10:40
into
10:41
something
10:41
called
10:42
Cloud
10:42
Printer,
10:43
where
10:43
through
10:44
our
10:44
website,
10:45
it's
10:46
also
10:46
print
10:47
on
10:47
demand,
10:47
but
10:48
differently.
10:48
So
10:48
we
10:49
have
10:49
three
10:49
platforms
10:50
that
10:50
you
10:50
can
10:51
actually
10:51
buy
10:51
the
10:51
book
10:52
on
10:52
and
10:53
Ingram
10:53
can
10:54
sell
10:54
through
10:54
two
10:55
other
10:55
platforms,
10:56
bookshop.org
10:57
and
10:58
things
10:58
like
10:58
that
10:58
where
10:59
like
10:59
smaller
10:59
stores
11:00
can
11:00
get
11:00
it.
11:01
Amazon,
11:01
obviously
11:02
you
11:02
can
11:03
make
11:03
a
11:03
few
11:04
clicks
11:04
and
11:04
buy
11:04
the
11:05
book.
11:05
And
11:06
then
11:06
if
11:06
you
11:06
go
11:06
to
11:06
our
11:07
website,
11:07
you
11:07
can
11:07
do
11:07
it
11:07
that
11:08
way.
11:08
So
11:08
we
11:08
felt
11:08
like
11:09
we
11:09
were
11:09
reaching
11:10
as
11:10
many
11:11
people
11:11
as
11:11
possible
11:11
with
11:12
the
11:12
three
11:12
different
11:12
approaches.
11:13
Good
11:14
for
11:14
you.
11:14
Good
11:14
for
11:15
you.
11:15
And
11:15
that's.
11:15
I
11:16
use.
11:16
Or
11:16
we
11:17
use
11:17
Amazon
11:18
and
11:18
ingramsparks.
11:20
Also.
11:20
I
11:20
haven't
11:21
gone
11:21
to
11:21
our
11:22
own.
11:23
You
11:23
called
11:23
it.
11:24
It's
11:24
called
11:24
Cloud
11:25
Printer.
11:25
It's
11:26
a
11:26
company
11:26
that.
11:27
It's
11:27
a
11:27
little.
11:28
It's
11:28
a
11:28
slightly
11:29
different
11:29
setup,
11:30
but
11:30
again
11:30
it's
11:31
print
11:31
on
11:31
demand.
11:32
So
11:32
someone
11:32
goes
11:33
to
11:33
your
11:33
website,
11:34
they
11:34
order
11:34
the
11:34
book.
11:35
It
11:35
just.
11:36
It
11:36
comes
11:36
directly
11:37
from
11:37
Cloud
11:38
Printer
11:38
printing
11:39
to
11:39
them.
11:39
Yes,
11:40
it
11:40
does.
11:40
Okay,
11:40
it
11:41
does.
11:41
Or
11:41
if
11:42
they
11:42
go
11:42
to
11:42
Amazon,
11:43
then
11:43
it
11:44
will
11:44
come
11:44
from
11:44
Amazon
11:45
kdp.
11:46
Or
11:47
it
11:47
could
11:47
also
11:47
come
11:48
through
11:48
Ingram.
11:50
That
11:50
reciprocity.
11:51
Right.
11:52
And
11:52
then.
11:52
Or
11:52
if
11:52
they
11:52
go
11:52
into
11:53
a
11:53
bookstore,
11:54
it'll
11:54
come
11:55
probably
11:55
through
11:56
Ingram.
11:57
And
11:57
you
11:57
do
11:58
three
11:58
formats,
11:58
I
11:59
noticed.
11:59
So
11:59
you
11:59
do
12:00
the
12:00
soft
12:00
cover
12:01
or
12:01
the
12:01
paperback,
12:02
hardcover,
12:03
and
12:03
you
12:03
have
12:03
an
12:04
ebook.
12:04
So
12:05
what
12:05
generally
12:06
tends
12:07
to
12:07
be
12:07
the
12:07
best
12:08
seller
12:08
out
12:08
of
12:08
the
12:09
three
12:09
I.
12:10
Would
12:10
say
12:10
the
12:10
soft
12:11
covers
12:11
tend
12:12
to
12:12
be
12:12
pretty
12:13
popular
12:13
due
12:13
to
12:13
the
12:14
lower
12:14
price
12:15
tag.
12:15
But
12:16
hardcovers
12:17
are
12:17
also
12:18
fairly
12:18
popular
12:19
because
12:20
there's
12:20
nothing
12:20
more.
12:21
There's
12:21
no
12:22
other
12:22
feeling.
12:22
Like
12:22
only
12:23
a
12:23
hardcover
12:23
book.
12:24
Absolutely.
12:25
Soft
12:25
cover,
12:25
I
12:25
think
12:25
are
12:26
the
12:26
predominant
12:27
seller.
12:28
I
12:28
think
12:28
children's
12:29
books
12:29
and
12:29
ebooks,
12:30
you
12:31
can
12:31
do
12:31
it.
12:31
But
12:32
I
12:32
think
12:32
children
12:33
more
12:33
often
12:33
than
12:33
not
12:34
want
12:34
to
12:34
hold
12:35
a
12:35
book.
12:36
I
12:36
think
12:36
we
12:37
don't
12:37
have
12:37
as
12:37
many
12:38
ebook
12:38
sales
12:39
for
12:39
that.
12:40
Right.
12:41
And
12:41
did
12:42
you
12:42
ever
12:42
think
12:42
of
12:43
doing
12:43
an
12:43
audio.
12:44
The
12:44
audiobook
12:45
to
12:45
it?
12:45
We.
12:46
We
12:46
have
12:47
and
12:48
we
12:48
just
12:48
haven't
12:49
quite
12:50
figured
12:50
out
12:50
the
12:50
best
12:51
approach
12:51
for
12:51
that.
12:52
Have
12:52
you
12:52
done
12:52
with
12:53
your
12:53
book?
12:54
Well,
12:54
interesting
12:54
you
12:55
should
12:55
ask
12:55
me.
12:57
Actually.
12:57
What
12:57
I
12:58
did
12:58
is
12:59
I
12:59
actually
12:59
created
13:00
a
13:00
bookmark
13:01
and
13:01
there's
13:01
a
13:02
QR
13:02
code.
13:03
Oh.
13:04
And
13:04
when
13:04
you
13:05
actually
13:05
scan
13:05
the
13:06
QR
13:06
code,
13:07
it
13:07
turns
13:07
it
13:07
into
13:08
an
13:08
audiobook.
13:09
And
13:09
my
13:10
middle
13:10
granddaughter.
13:12
Yeah,
13:13
anyway,
13:13
she's
13:14
actually
13:14
the
13:14
voice
13:15
of
13:15
Caboose.
13:16
So
13:17
he
13:17
read
13:18
the
13:18
first.
13:19
Our
13:19
first
13:19
book
13:20
and
13:20
then
13:20
we
13:21
turned
13:21
it
13:21
into
13:21
an
13:22
audiobook.
13:22
So
13:23
we
13:23
try.
13:23
What
13:24
we've
13:24
done
13:24
is
13:24
with
13:24
some
13:25
of
13:25
our
13:25
book
13:25
retailers,
13:26
we
13:27
offer
13:28
the
13:28
free
13:29
audiobook
13:30
if
13:30
they
13:30
buy
13:31
the
13:31
book.
13:31
And
13:31
so
13:32
they
13:32
get
13:32
the
13:32
bookmark
13:33
when
13:33
they
13:33
buy
13:33
the
13:33
book
13:34
and
13:34
they
13:34
get
13:34
the
13:35
free
13:35
audiobook.
13:36
That's
13:36
a
13:36
great
13:36
idea.
13:37
And
13:37
you
13:37
know
13:38
what,
13:38
you
13:38
can
13:38
simply
13:38
do
13:39
this
13:39
through
13:39
Canva
13:40
and
13:41
through
13:41
the
13:41
free
13:42
version.
13:42
Like
13:42
you
13:42
don't
13:43
have
13:43
to
13:43
spend
13:43
a
13:43
fortune
13:44
on
13:44
a
13:44
membership
13:44
or
13:45
anything.
13:45
And
13:46
you
13:46
can
13:46
get
13:46
a
13:46
lot
13:46
done
13:47
at
13:47
Canva.
13:47
Yeah.
13:48
So
13:48
it
13:48
is
13:48
amazing.
13:49
Pretty
13:49
fortunate.
13:50
I'm
13:51
just
13:51
going
13:51
to
13:51
tap
13:52
on
13:52
my
13:52
iPad
13:53
again
13:53
and
13:53
just
13:54
pull
13:54
up
13:54
your
13:55
website.
13:56
One
13:56
of
13:56
the
13:56
questions
13:57
I
13:57
have,
13:57
and
13:58
I
13:58
know
13:58
when
13:58
we
13:59
first
13:59
launched
14:00
our
14:00
children's
14:01
book,
14:01
what
14:02
happened
14:02
was
14:03
some.
14:03
The
14:04
advice
14:04
that
14:04
we
14:04
got
14:04
was
14:05
start
14:06
with
14:06
a
14:06
website
14:07
first
14:07
so
14:08
you
14:08
have
14:08
somewhere
14:09
for
14:09
people
14:10
to
14:10
go
14:10
and
14:11
then
14:11
do
14:11
and
14:11
then
14:12
publish
14:12
your
14:12
book.
14:13
Well,
14:13
we
14:13
were
14:14
so
14:14
excited
14:14
about
14:14
our
14:15
book.
14:15
By
14:16
the
14:16
time
14:16
we
14:16
heard
14:16
that
14:16
advice
14:17
we
14:17
had,
14:17
we
14:18
were
14:18
already
14:18
down
14:19
the
14:19
road
14:19
to
14:19
publishing
14:20
the
14:20
book.
14:20
So
14:20
we
14:21
published
14:21
our
14:21
book
14:22
first
14:22
and
14:22
then
14:23
it
14:23
took
14:23
us
14:23
about
14:23
six
14:24
months
14:24
to
14:25
bring
14:25
our
14:26
website
14:27
to.
14:28
To.
14:28
To
14:28
life.
14:29
Tell
14:29
us
14:30
your
14:30
story.
14:31
It's
14:31
fairly
14:32
similar
14:32
to
14:33
exactly
14:33
what
14:33
you
14:33
just
14:34
said,
14:34
frankly.
14:35
Specifics
14:35
are
14:36
we
14:36
created
14:36
the
14:37
book
14:37
we
14:37
knew
14:38
we
14:38
wanted
14:38
to
14:38
at
14:39
a
14:39
certain
14:39
point,
14:39
especially
14:39
after
14:40
we
14:40
got
14:40
the
14:40
this
14:41
has
14:41
legs
14:42
talk
14:42
that
14:43
we
14:43
wanted
14:43
to
14:43
get
14:43
it
14:43
published.
14:45
So
14:45
we
14:46
did
14:46
go
14:47
to
14:47
Ingram
14:47
and
14:48
start
14:48
working
14:48
on
14:48
that.
14:49
And
14:49
we
14:49
tried
14:50
figuring
14:50
out
14:50
the
14:50
website
14:51
while
14:52
we
14:52
were
14:52
doing
14:52
that,
14:52
but
14:53
not.
14:53
Neither
14:53
of
14:54
us
14:54
really
14:54
had
14:55
any
14:55
background
14:55
in
14:56
web
14:56
design
14:56
of
14:57
any
14:57
kind.
14:58
So
14:58
it
14:58
wasn't
14:58
until
14:59
after
14:59
it
15:00
was
15:00
published,
15:01
self
15:01
published.
15:02
That.
15:03
And
15:03
we
15:03
found
15:03
someone
15:04
who
15:04
was
15:04
able
15:04
to
15:05
help
15:05
us
15:06
that
15:06
we
15:06
were
15:07
able
15:07
to
15:07
fully
15:07
get
15:08
the
15:08
site
15:08
running.
15:09
And
15:09
our
15:09
website
15:10
has
15:10
had
15:10
many
15:11
iterations
15:11
and
15:12
the
15:12
first
15:12
one
15:12
was
15:13
very
15:13
unprofessional.
15:15
It.
15:15
Let's
15:15
say
15:15
it
15:16
clearly
15:16
looked
15:16
like
15:17
someone's
15:17
first
15:17
attempt
15:18
at
15:18
trying
15:18
to
15:18
do
15:18
something.
15:19
Oh,
15:19
quite
15:19
interesting.
15:20
So
15:20
I
15:21
noticed
15:21
you
15:21
call
15:22
it
15:22
the
15:22
Creative
15:23
Cab
15:24
Company,
15:24
which
15:24
I
15:24
love
15:25
the
15:25
name,
15:26
but
15:26
tell
15:26
us
15:27
the
15:27
story
15:28
behind
15:28
that.
15:29
So
15:30
we,
15:31
we
15:31
thought
15:32
people
15:32
with
15:32
neurodivergent
15:33
issues
15:34
are
15:34
very
15:35
creative
15:35
people.
15:36
They
15:37
have
15:37
to
15:37
think
15:38
outside
15:38
the
15:38
box.
15:39
Dyslexics,
15:40
people
15:40
with
15:41
dyscalculia,
15:42
dysgraphia,
15:43
adhd,
15:44
all
15:44
the.
15:45
So
15:45
many
15:45
of
15:46
the
15:46
neurodivergent
15:47
issues,
15:47
they.
15:47
They
15:48
think
15:48
in
15:48
different
15:49
ways.
15:49
And
15:50
to
15:50
us
15:51
that's
15:51
creative
15:51
and
15:52
a
15:52
superpower.
15:53
And
15:54
so
15:54
that's
15:54
how
15:55
we
15:55
got
15:55
to
15:55
the
15:55
name
15:56
of
15:56
Creative
15:56
Cab
15:57
Company.
15:58
And
15:58
we
15:58
are
15:59
in
15:59
the
15:59
process
15:59
of
16:00
writing
16:01
a
16:01
whole
16:01
series.
16:02
The
16:02
next
16:03
book
16:03
is
16:03
almost
16:04
ready
16:05
to
16:05
be
16:05
published.
16:06
And
16:07
so
16:08
the
16:08
next
16:08
character
16:09
is
16:09
actually
16:09
gonna
16:10
have
16:10
ADHD,
16:11
but
16:11
is
16:11
also
16:12
a
16:12
friend
16:12
of
16:12
Robbie's
16:13
at
16:13
the
16:13
Creative
16:13
Cab
16:14
Company.
16:14
Oh,
16:15
cool.
16:15
Because
16:16
I
16:16
read
16:17
the
16:17
book
16:17
a
16:17
couple
16:17
of
16:17
times
16:18
now
16:18
and
16:18
of
16:18
course
16:19
with
16:19
my
16:19
granddaughter,
16:20
my
16:20
youngest
16:20
granddaughter.
16:22
And
16:22
I
16:22
noticed
16:23
you
16:23
had
16:23
introduced
16:24
like
16:24
a
16:25
green
16:25
cab.
16:26
I
16:27
think
16:27
Allison
16:28
was
16:28
one
16:28
of
16:28
the
16:28
characters.
16:29
He
16:29
used
16:30
family.
16:30
Family
16:31
member
16:31
names.
16:32
Okay.
16:32
And
16:33
did
16:33
he
16:33
use
16:33
and
16:34
is
16:34
already
16:35
a
16:35
family
16:35
member
16:36
name
16:36
also?
16:36
Yes,
16:37
all
16:38
the
16:38
characters
16:39
are.
16:39
It's
16:40
interesting
16:40
how
16:41
we
16:41
all
16:41
have
16:41
this
16:42
passion
16:42
about.
16:43
I
16:43
wanted.
16:43
I've
16:44
got
16:44
five
16:44
grandchildren.
16:45
Oh,
16:46
wow.
16:46
So
16:47
I
16:47
wanted
16:48
to
16:48
draw
16:48
them
16:49
into
16:50
the
16:50
project.
16:51
And
16:51
so
16:52
of
16:52
course
16:52
we're
16:53
doing
16:53
the
16:53
same
16:53
as
16:54
you.
16:54
We're
16:54
trying
16:54
to
16:55
turn
16:55
it
16:55
into
16:56
a
16:56
book
16:56
series.
16:57
And
16:58
so
16:59
part
16:59
of
16:59
it
16:59
was
17:00
we
17:01
caboose.
17:02
Our
17:02
main
17:02
character,
17:03
Cabooses
17:04
actually
17:05
starts
17:05
with
17:05
a
17:06
K
17:06
instead
17:06
of
17:07
a
17:07
C.
17:07
And
17:07
the
17:07
reason
17:08
being
17:09
is
17:09
my
17:10
oldest
17:10
granddaughter
17:11
who's
17:11
the
17:11
co
17:11
author
17:12
of
17:12
the
17:12
book.
17:13
Her
17:13
name
17:13
is
17:14
Kira
17:14
with
17:15
a
17:15
K.
17:15
Slender.
17:16
Yeah.
17:16
So
17:16
that's
17:17
what
17:17
we
17:17
did.
17:17
And
17:18
then
17:18
our
17:18
next
17:18
book.
17:19
So
17:19
we're
17:20
working
17:20
on
17:20
our
17:20
second
17:20
book
17:21
also.
17:21
It's
17:21
called
17:22
Hijinks
17:23
at
17:23
the
17:23
Big
17:23
Head
17:23
Folk
17:24
Music
17:24
Festival
17:25
because
17:25
that's
17:26
the
17:26
town
17:26
that
17:26
Caboose
17:27
is
17:27
from
17:28
and
17:29
there's
17:30
a
17:30
beaver
17:31
and
17:31
my
17:32
middle
17:32
granddaughter
17:33
who
17:33
I
17:33
was
17:34
showing
17:34
you
17:34
a
17:34
picture,
17:35
her
17:35
name
17:35
is
17:36
Bailey.
17:37
So
17:37
it's
17:38
Bailey
17:38
the
17:38
Beaver.
17:39
So
17:39
all
17:40
of
17:40
the
17:40
other
17:41
characters
17:41
are
17:42
going
17:42
to
17:42
in
17:42
the
17:42
family.
17:43
That's
17:44
very.
17:44
It's
17:44
definitely
17:45
fun.
17:45
It
17:45
brings
17:46
your
17:46
family.
17:46
Family
17:46
is
17:46
there?
17:47
Yeah,
17:48
absolutely.
17:49
So
17:49
it's
17:49
nice
17:49
to
17:50
hear
17:50
that.
17:51
So
17:51
now
17:52
with
17:52
your
17:52
website,
17:53
I'm
17:54
interested.
17:54
Jonathan
17:55
because
17:55
of
17:55
your
17:56
art
17:56
background.
17:57
One
17:57
thing
17:58
that
17:58
I
17:58
will
17:58
say
17:59
that
17:59
happened
17:59
to
17:59
us
18:00
now,
18:00
it
18:00
was
18:01
more
18:01
by
18:01
accident
18:02
than
18:02
anything.
18:03
Of
18:03
course.
18:03
We
18:04
launched
18:04
our
18:04
book,
18:05
we
18:05
had
18:06
these
18:06
great
18:06
graphics.
18:08
Now
18:08
we
18:08
had
18:09
to
18:09
hire
18:09
an
18:09
illustrator.
18:10
We're
18:10
not
18:10
as
18:10
fortunate
18:11
as
18:11
you
18:11
to
18:11
have
18:12
the
18:12
talent
18:12
to
18:12
be
18:13
a
18:13
illustrator.
18:14
Now
18:14
we
18:15
had
18:15
all
18:15
these
18:15
graphics.
18:16
To
18:17
actually
18:17
be
18:17
able
18:17
to
18:18
use
18:18
them
18:19
helped
18:19
us
18:20
in
18:20
developing
18:21
our
18:21
website.
18:22
The
18:22
graphics
18:23
from
18:23
our
18:23
book.
18:24
The
18:24
nice
18:24
thing
18:24
about
18:24
it
18:25
is
18:25
we
18:25
used
18:25
it
18:26
to
18:26
actually
18:27
build
18:27
out
18:28
our
18:28
website.
18:29
So
18:29
is
18:29
there
18:29
plans,
18:30
Jonathan,
18:31
to
18:31
take
18:31
some
18:31
of
18:32
your.
18:32
Because
18:32
I
18:32
see
18:33
you're
18:33
a
18:33
very
18:34
skillful
18:34
artist
18:35
and
18:36
your
18:36
illustrations
18:36
are
18:37
cool.
18:37
Are
18:38
you
18:38
going
18:38
to
18:39
somehow
18:39
incorporate
18:40
some
18:41
of
18:41
your.
18:41
The
18:42
artwork
18:43
into
18:43
the
18:43
website?
18:44
There
18:45
definitely
18:45
will
18:45
be
18:45
probably
18:46
plans
18:46
to
18:46
add
18:47
more
18:47
images
18:48
from
18:49
this
18:49
new
18:49
book
18:50
we're
18:50
writing
18:50
into
18:51
the
18:51
website.
18:52
Okay.
18:52
As
18:53
for
18:53
my
18:54
art
18:54
practice,
18:56
the
18:56
topics,
18:57
we
18:57
occasionally
18:58
might
18:58
do
18:58
something
18:58
like
18:59
that,
18:59
but
19:00
different
19:01
mindsets.
19:01
So
19:02
we
19:03
tend
19:03
to
19:03
sometimes
19:03
keep
19:04
a
19:04
little
19:04
separate.
19:05
John
19:05
has
19:05
different
19:06
websites
19:06
for
19:06
his
19:07
other
19:07
artwork.
19:07
He's
19:08
getting
19:08
an
19:08
MFA
19:09
right
19:09
now.
19:10
And
19:10
there's.
19:10
Now
19:11
we're
19:11
talking
19:11
about
19:12
whether
19:12
or
19:12
not
19:12
we
19:12
want
19:13
to
19:13
link
19:13
it
19:13
to
19:13
our
19:14
website.
19:15
So
19:15
that's
19:16
a
19:16
work
19:16
in
19:17
progress
19:17
for
19:18
sure.
19:18
For
19:18
sure.
19:19
Yeah.
19:19
And
19:19
you
19:19
know
19:20
what
19:20
the
19:20
nice
19:21
thing
19:21
about
19:21
a
19:21
website
19:22
is
19:22
always
19:23
fluid.
19:23
And
19:24
now
19:25
the
19:25
motivation
19:26
behind
19:26
your
19:27
book,
19:27
of
19:27
course
19:28
you
19:29
explained
19:29
to
19:29
us
19:29
about
19:30
Jonathan
19:31
and
19:32
having
19:32
dyslexia
19:33
and
19:34
what
19:35
else
19:35
was
19:35
the
19:35
motivation?
19:36
I
19:37
know,
19:37
Lynn,
19:37
I
19:38
think
19:38
your
19:38
background,
19:39
you
19:39
have
19:39
some
19:40
background
19:41
that
19:41
led
19:41
to
19:42
this.
19:42
But
19:42
was
19:42
that
19:43
the
19:43
total
19:43
motivation
19:44
or
19:44
was
19:44
there
19:45
more
19:45
to
19:45
the
19:45
story
19:46
than
19:46
that?
19:47
We.
19:47
John
19:47
is
19:48
my
19:48
youngest
19:49
of
19:49
four
19:49
children.
19:50
Okay.
19:51
And
19:51
now
19:51
we
19:52
are.
19:52
I
19:52
have
19:52
three
19:53
in
19:53
law
19:53
children,
19:54
three
19:54
grandchildren.
19:55
But
19:55
when.
19:55
Which
19:56
is
19:56
amazing.
19:57
When
19:57
John
19:57
was
19:57
little
19:58
though,
19:59
everyone
19:59
learns
20:00
differently.
20:00
We
20:01
know
20:01
that.
20:01
But
20:02
John
20:02
just
20:02
wasn't
20:03
hitting
20:03
some
20:03
of
20:04
the
20:04
milestones
20:04
that
20:05
we
20:06
thought
20:06
he
20:07
should
20:07
be.
20:07
But
20:07
I
20:08
knew
20:08
he
20:08
was
20:08
so
20:08
smart.
20:09
He
20:10
could
20:10
tell
20:10
you
20:10
at
20:10
a
20:11
very
20:11
young
20:11
age
20:12
every
20:12
Thomas
20:12
the
20:12
Tank
20:13
Engine
20:13
name,
20:14
but
20:14
not
20:14
tell
20:15
you
20:15
that
20:15
Thomas
20:15
started
20:16
with
20:16
the
20:16
letter
20:16
T.
20:17
His
20:17
teachers
20:18
were
20:18
not
20:18
always
20:18
that
20:19
nice
20:19
about
20:19
it.
20:20
John
20:20
is.
20:20
John
20:21
might
20:21
be
20:21
slow.
20:22
John
20:22
is
20:23
a
20:23
boy.
20:23
John
20:24
is
20:24
all
20:24
the
20:24
things
20:24
that
20:25
just
20:25
didn't
20:26
ring
20:26
true
20:26
for
20:27
me.
20:27
And
20:27
so
20:27
we
20:28
started
20:28
to
20:28
explore
20:29
that
20:29
and
20:29
had
20:30
him
20:30
tested.
20:31
Okay.
20:31
Sure
20:32
enough,
20:32
classic
20:32
dyslexic,
20:34
very
20:34
smart,
20:35
but
20:36
just
20:36
needed
20:36
to
20:36
learn
20:36
how
20:36
to
20:37
read
20:37
differently.
20:38
And
20:38
I
20:38
think
20:38
for
20:38
us
20:39
it
20:39
became
20:40
a
20:40
family
20:41
affair.
20:41
We
20:42
Chun
20:42
went
20:43
to
20:43
a
20:43
wonderful
20:43
school.
20:44
They
20:45
cried
20:46
at
20:46
school,
20:46
which
20:46
meant
20:46
that
20:47
I
20:47
was
20:47
going
20:47
to
20:47
have
20:48
to
20:48
drive
20:49
him.
20:50
And
20:50
we
20:51
all
20:51
decided
20:52
that
20:52
as
20:52
a
20:52
family
20:53
that
20:53
we
20:53
would
20:53
make
20:53
that
20:54
commitment.
20:54
The
20:55
kids
20:55
and
20:55
my
20:56
husband,
20:56
the
20:57
kids
20:57
that
20:57
were
20:57
home
20:57
were
20:58
going
20:58
to
20:58
have
20:58
to
20:59
pitch
20:59
in
21:00
a
21:00
little
21:00
more.
21:00
We
21:01
were
21:01
going
21:01
to
21:01
have
21:01
to
21:01
eat
21:01
a
21:01
lot
21:02
of
21:02
peanut
21:02
butter
21:02
and
21:02
jelly
21:04
because
21:04
it's
21:04
a
21:04
private
21:05
school.
21:05
But
21:06
really,
21:07
we
21:07
really
21:07
just
21:08
wanted
21:08
to
21:09
support
21:10
John
21:10
and
21:11
help
21:11
him
21:11
learn
21:11
how
21:12
to
21:12
read.
21:12
And
21:12
we
21:13
knew
21:13
he
21:13
was
21:13
not,
21:14
unfortunately,
21:14
going
21:14
to
21:14
get
21:15
the
21:15
education
21:15
he
21:16
needed
21:16
here
21:17
at
21:17
our
21:17
public
21:18
school.
21:19
And
21:19
there's
21:20
just
21:20
a
21:20
lot
21:20
of
21:20
misunderstanding,
21:22
even
21:22
with
21:22
a
21:22
lot
21:22
of
21:22
teachers
21:23
about
21:24
what
21:24
dyslexia
21:25
is.
21:25
And
21:25
so
21:26
we,
21:26
I
21:26
think,
21:27
wanted
21:27
to
21:28
open
21:28
up
21:28
conversations.
21:30
That's
21:30
nice,
21:30
because
21:31
I
21:31
saw
21:31
part
21:31
of
21:31
your
21:31
dedication
21:32
was
21:33
to
21:33
your
21:33
school,
21:33
right?
21:34
Yes.
21:35
Actually,
21:36
one
21:36
of
21:36
the
21:36
reasons
21:37
we,
21:37
I
21:37
think,
21:37
subconsciously
21:38
chose
21:39
a
21:39
taxi
21:39
was
21:40
because,
21:40
quite
21:41
frankly,
21:42
my
21:42
mom
21:42
was
21:43
the
21:43
first
21:43
taxi
21:44
because
21:45
she
21:45
was
21:46
constantly
21:46
moving
21:47
me
21:47
around,
21:47
getting
21:48
from
21:48
school
21:48
to
21:48
here.
21:49
And
21:49
the
21:49
drive
21:50
to
21:50
school
21:50
was
21:50
not
21:50
a
21:51
short
21:51
one.
21:51
Oh,
21:52
she
21:52
really.
21:53
The
21:53
whole
21:53
family
21:54
did.
21:54
But
21:54
she
21:54
also
21:54
especially
21:55
sacrificed
21:55
a
21:56
lot
21:56
of
21:56
time
21:57
to
21:57
get
21:57
me
21:58
to
21:58
where
21:58
I
21:58
am
21:58
today.
21:59
Do
22:00
you
22:00
think
22:00
some
22:00
of
22:00
those
22:01
car
22:01
rides,
22:01
like.
22:02
I'm
22:02
thinking
22:02
about
22:02
the
22:02
character
22:03
development.
22:04
I'd
22:05
like
22:05
you
22:05
to
22:05
talk
22:05
a
22:05
little
22:06
bit
22:06
about
22:06
that.
22:06
But
22:07
do
22:07
you
22:07
think
22:07
some
22:07
of
22:07
those
22:08
car
22:08
rides
22:08
somehow
22:09
subconsciously
22:11
finally
22:11
made
22:12
their
22:12
way
22:12
forward?
22:13
And
22:13
when.
22:13
And
22:14
when
22:14
you
22:14
guys
22:15
wrote
22:15
the
22:15
book
22:15
or
22:16
the
22:16
inspiration
22:16
behind
22:17
the
22:17
book?
22:18
The
22:18
conversation.
22:19
We
22:19
always
22:19
had
22:19
lively
22:20
conversations
22:21
in
22:21
the
22:21
car.
22:21
But
22:22
honestly,
22:22
more
22:22
than
22:23
that,
22:23
I'd
22:24
say
22:24
we
22:24
always
22:24
like
22:25
to
22:25
listen
22:25
to
22:25
audiobooks.
22:26
Okay.
22:27
So
22:27
I
22:28
think
22:28
we've
22:28
always
22:28
had
22:29
a
22:29
strong
22:29
connection
22:30
to
22:30
literature,
22:31
which
22:31
is
22:31
interesting
22:32
with
22:32
my
22:33
background.
22:34
And
22:34
so
22:34
I
22:34
think,
22:35
if
22:36
anything,
22:36
it
22:37
just.
22:37
And
22:37
one
22:37
of
22:37
the
22:37
things
22:37
we
22:38
love
22:38
to
22:38
do
22:38
was
22:38
like,
22:38
guess
22:39
what
22:39
was
22:39
coming
22:40
next,
22:40
if
22:40
it
22:40
was
22:41
a
22:41
mystery
22:41
or
22:41
something
22:42
like
22:42
that.
22:42
Okay.
22:44
I
22:44
was
22:44
thinking
22:44
about
22:45
the
22:45
story,
22:45
right?
22:46
And
22:47
Robbie
22:47
going
22:48
to
22:48
pick
22:48
up
22:48
the
22:48
customer.
22:49
And
22:50
the
22:50
customer
22:50
usually
22:51
had
22:51
a
22:51
routine,
22:52
but
22:53
that
22:53
day
22:53
the
22:54
routine
22:54
changed.
22:55
And
22:55
all
22:56
of
22:56
a
22:56
sudden
22:56
Robbie
22:57
was.
22:58
Oh,
22:59
so
22:59
that's
22:59
why
22:59
I
23:00
was
23:00
curious
23:00
on
23:01
did
23:02
that.
23:02
Did
23:02
the
23:03
story
23:03
develop
23:04
from
23:04
maybe
23:04
even
23:04
a
23:05
circumstance
23:05
that
23:06
may
23:06
have
23:06
happened
23:06
on
23:07
one
23:07
of
23:07
the
23:07
car
23:08
rides
23:08
to
23:08
school
23:09
one
23:09
day
23:09
or
23:09
where
23:10
you
23:10
guys
23:10
maybe
23:10
had
23:10
to
23:11
go
23:11
on
23:11
a
23:11
field
23:11
trip
23:12
and
23:12
you
23:12
thought
23:13
maybe
23:13
you
23:13
were
23:13
going
23:14
to
23:14
school
23:14
and
23:15
mom
23:15
was
23:15
taking
23:16
you
23:16
somewhere
23:17
different?
23:17
I
23:18
didn't
23:18
pinpoint
23:19
an
23:20
exact
23:20
location,
23:20
but
23:21
all
23:21
those
23:21
things
23:21
did
23:21
happen
23:22
at
23:22
one
23:22
point
23:22
or
23:22
another.
23:23
It's
23:24
without
23:24
traffic
23:26
that
23:26
the
23:26
school
23:27
was
23:27
a
23:27
good
23:27
45
23:28
minutes
23:28
to
23:28
an
23:29
hour.
23:29
Every
23:30
possible
23:30
adventure
23:31
you
23:31
could
23:31
have
23:31
in
23:31
a
23:32
car
23:32
you.
23:33
We
23:33
had.
23:34
And
23:34
including.
23:35
It's
23:35
one
23:35
of
23:36
the
23:36
roads
23:36
is
23:36
a
23:36
smaller
23:37
highway,
23:38
a
23:38
very
23:38
older
23:38
one.
23:39
And
23:39
it's
23:40
not
23:40
for
23:40
trucks.
23:41
18
23:41
wheeler
23:42
trucks.
23:43
I
23:44
would.
23:44
I
23:44
can't
23:45
even
23:45
Count
23:45
how
23:45
many
23:46
times
23:46
an
23:46
18
23:46
wheeler
23:47
would
23:47
get
23:47
stuck
23:47
on
23:48
this
23:48
road,
23:49
under
23:49
a
23:49
blade,
23:50
under
23:50
a
23:50
bridge?
23:51
Usually,
23:51
yeah,
23:54
we've
23:54
seen
23:54
it
23:55
all.
23:55
And
23:55
we,
23:55
we
23:56
had
23:56
that
23:56
kind
23:56
of
23:56
in
23:57
mind
23:57
about
23:57
adventures
23:58
in
23:58
cars.
23:59
We
23:59
had
24:00
meals,
24:00
we
24:01
listened
24:01
to
24:01
music,
24:02
we
24:02
sat.
24:03
We
24:03
pretty
24:04
much
24:04
sometimes
24:04
lived
24:04
in
24:04
that
24:05
thing.
24:05
So
24:06
the,
24:07
The.
24:07
Is
24:07
there.
24:08
Get
24:09
a
24:09
sense
24:09
of
24:09
the
24:10
theme
24:10
of
24:10
the
24:10
book.
24:10
Is
24:10
there
24:11
any.
24:11
Is
24:11
there
24:12
an
24:12
underlying
24:13
theme
24:13
that
24:14
you
24:14
had
24:15
in
24:15
mind?
24:15
Because
24:16
I
24:16
noticed
24:16
there
24:16
was
24:17
a
24:17
celebration
24:18
when
24:19
Robbie
24:19
got
24:19
back
24:20
to
24:20
the
24:20
Creative
24:21
Cab
24:22
Company.
24:22
Can
24:23
you
24:23
explain
24:23
that?
24:24
I
24:25
would
24:25
say
24:25
that
24:26
the
24:26
main
24:26
thing
24:26
we
24:26
wanted
24:27
people
24:27
to
24:27
get
24:27
out
24:27
of
24:28
this
24:28
book
24:28
is
24:28
just
24:28
because
24:28
you're
24:29
quote,
24:29
unquote
24:30
different
24:30
doesn't
24:31
mean
24:31
you
24:31
don't
24:32
deserve
24:33
a
24:33
place
24:33
in
24:33
this
24:33
world
24:34
and
24:34
you
24:34
can't
24:34
succeed
24:35
in
24:35
it.
24:35
And
24:36
so
24:36
we
24:36
wanted
24:36
to
24:37
show
24:37
that
24:38
Robbie
24:39
figuring
24:39
out
24:39
how
24:39
to
24:40
solve
24:40
his
24:41
conundrum,
24:42
he
24:42
should
24:43
get
24:43
rewarded
24:44
for
24:44
it
24:44
and
24:44
he
24:44
should
24:45
get
24:45
the
24:45
love
24:45
that
24:45
everyone
24:46
else
24:46
would
24:46
deserve.
24:46
So
24:47
that
24:47
was,
24:47
I
24:47
think,
24:47
our
24:47
main
24:48
sort
24:48
of
24:49
target,
24:50
that
24:51
you
24:51
are
24:51
just
24:51
as
24:52
good
24:52
as
24:52
anyone
24:52
else.
24:53
And
24:53
I
24:53
think
24:53
also
24:54
when
24:54
John
24:54
was
24:55
little,
24:55
computers
24:56
were
24:56
very
24:56
different.
24:57
You
24:57
couldn't
24:58
Google
24:59
dyslexia.
24:59
You
25:00
couldn't.
25:01
There.
25:01
It
25:01
wasn't
25:02
so
25:02
much
25:02
of
25:03
a
25:03
community.
25:03
You
25:03
couldn't.
25:04
Like
25:04
now
25:04
there
25:04
are
25:05
Facebook
25:05
groups
25:06
and
25:06
things
25:06
like
25:06
that.
25:07
And
25:07
back
25:07
then
25:08
there
25:08
weren't.
25:08
And
25:09
I
25:09
think
25:09
it's
25:09
so
25:10
important
25:10
to.
25:12
When
25:12
you're
25:12
facing
25:13
different
25:14
things
25:15
to
25:15
find
25:15
your
25:15
people,
25:16
to
25:16
find
25:16
a
25:17
community.
25:17
It
25:18
really
25:18
helps,
25:19
I
25:19
think,
25:19
to
25:19
talk
25:20
to
25:20
other
25:20
people
25:21
who
25:21
are
25:21
going
25:21
through
25:22
the
25:22
same
25:22
sorts
25:23
of
25:23
issues.
25:24
And
25:24
I
25:24
think
25:25
John
25:25
can
25:25
speak
25:25
to
25:26
it.
25:26
But
25:26
I
25:26
knew
25:26
when
25:27
I.
25:27
When
25:27
John
25:28
started
25:28
at
25:28
the
25:28
Windward
25:29
School,
25:29
I
25:30
found
25:30
parents
25:30
who
25:31
could
25:31
tell
25:31
the
25:31
same
25:31
story,
25:32
and
25:32
we
25:33
bonded
25:33
over
25:33
that.
25:34
Finding
25:35
out
25:35
that
25:35
I
25:35
was
25:35
not
25:36
alone
25:36
in
25:36
this
25:36
world
25:37
was
25:37
one
25:37
of
25:37
the
25:38
best
25:38
things
25:38
that
25:38
could
25:39
have
25:39
happened
25:39
to
25:39
me
25:39
because
25:40
prior
25:40
to
25:40
learning
25:41
I
25:41
was
25:41
dyslexic,
25:42
I
25:42
didn't
25:43
understand
25:44
what
25:44
I
25:45
was
25:45
doing
25:45
wrong
25:45
or
25:46
I
25:46
believed
25:47
some
25:47
of
25:47
the
25:47
things
25:47
the
25:47
teachers
25:48
were
25:48
saying.
25:48
But
25:48
then
25:49
I
25:49
got
25:49
tested
25:49
and
25:50
I
25:50
found
25:50
out,
25:50
oh,
25:51
it's
25:51
not
25:52
just
25:52
one
25:53
thing,
25:53
it's
25:53
many.
25:53
And
25:54
it's.
25:54
There's
25:55
a
25:55
reason
25:55
it's
25:56
not
25:56
my
25:56
fault.
25:57
And
25:58
then
25:58
I
25:58
met
25:59
everyone
25:59
else
25:59
and
25:59
I
25:59
was
26:00
like,
26:00
oh,
26:00
I'm
26:00
not
26:00
alone.
26:01
And
26:01
so
26:01
that
26:01
just.
26:02
And
26:02
you
26:02
know
26:03
what?
26:03
I
26:03
noticed
26:03
on
26:03
your
26:04
website,
26:04
you
26:04
listed
26:05
some
26:05
of
26:05
the
26:05
famous
26:06
people
26:06
in
26:06
this
26:06
world
26:07
that
26:07
have
26:08
dyslexia.
26:08
And
26:09
I
26:09
thought,
26:09
you
26:09
know
26:10
what?
26:10
That's
26:10
a
26:11
pretty
26:11
incredible
26:12
list.
26:12
So
26:13
you're
26:13
in
26:13
welcome
26:13
company.
26:14
We
26:14
say
26:15
John
26:15
superpower.
26:16
Absolutely.
26:18
So
26:19
now
26:19
that
26:20
you're
26:20
working
26:20
on
26:20
your
26:21
Second
26:22
book
26:22
and
26:23
you're
26:23
talking
26:23
about
26:24
building
26:24
into
26:25
a
26:25
series.
26:26
Tell
26:26
me
26:26
a
26:26
bit
26:27
about
26:28
the
26:28
writing
26:28
process
26:29
for
26:29
both
26:30
of
26:30
you.
26:30
Like
26:31
how
26:31
does
26:31
this
26:31
work
26:32
and
26:32
how
26:33
does
26:33
it
26:33
work
26:33
to
26:33
be
26:33
co
26:34
authors?
26:35
We
26:35
definitely,
26:35
there's
26:36
a
26:36
lot
26:36
of
26:36
cooperation
26:37
involved
26:38
and
26:38
we
26:39
talk
26:39
through
26:39
things
26:40
and
26:40
it's
26:41
a
26:41
back
26:41
and
26:41
forth
26:42
of.
26:43
First
26:44
we
26:44
come
26:44
up
26:44
with
26:44
the
26:44
idea
26:45
and
26:45
then
26:45
we
26:46
have
26:46
to
26:46
build
26:46
on
26:46
it.
26:47
But
26:48
it's
26:48
really
26:48
a
26:48
collaborative
26:49
endeavor
26:50
to
26:51
come
26:51
up
26:51
with
26:51
these
26:51
stories.
26:52
I
26:53
think
26:53
originally
26:54
I
26:54
was
26:54
gonna
26:55
write
26:55
the
26:55
story
26:55
and
26:56
John
26:56
was
26:56
gonna
26:56
do
26:56
the
26:57
illustrations.
26:57
And
26:58
then
26:58
we
26:58
thought,
26:59
this
26:59
is
26:59
silly,
26:59
he
27:00
certainly
27:00
has
27:00
a
27:00
point
27:01
of
27:01
view.
27:02
And
27:02
from
27:03
the
27:03
beginning
27:03
we
27:04
decided,
27:05
obviously,
27:05
mother
27:06
son,
27:06
but
27:07
we
27:07
would
27:07
have
27:07
to
27:07
wear
27:08
separate
27:08
hats.
27:08
We
27:09
would
27:09
have
27:09
to
27:09
be
27:09
partners
27:10
and
27:11
authors
27:11
and
27:12
business
27:12
partners.
27:13
And
27:14
we've
27:14
really
27:14
stuck
27:14
to
27:15
that.
27:15
And
27:15
it's
27:15
worked
27:15
for
27:16
us.
27:16
We're
27:16
very
27:16
lucky.
27:17
We
27:17
work
27:17
well
27:17
together.
27:18
Fantastic.
27:19
Fantastic.
27:20
I
27:20
was,
27:21
I'd
27:21
been
27:21
fortunate
27:22
too,
27:22
because
27:22
it's
27:23
not
27:23
with
27:23
my
27:23
children,
27:24
it's
27:24
with
27:24
my
27:24
grandchildren.
27:25
But
27:25
it's
27:26
sometimes
27:26
easier.
27:27
Yeah,
27:28
sometimes
27:28
easier,
27:29
for
27:29
sure.
27:29
Very
27:30
true.
27:30
I'm
27:30
not
27:31
going
27:31
to
27:31
defend
27:31
that.
27:32
And
27:33
I
27:33
had
27:33
a
27:33
very
27:33
busy
27:34
career,
27:35
so
27:35
my
27:35
children
27:36
didn't
27:36
get
27:36
the
27:36
same
27:37
TLC,
27:38
tender
27:39
loving
27:39
care
27:39
as
27:40
my
27:40
grandchildren
27:41
get.
27:41
Or
27:41
so
27:42
it
27:42
certainly
27:43
leads
27:43
to
27:43
more
27:43
adventures.
27:44
And
27:44
that's
27:45
why
27:45
the
27:45
adventure
27:46
is
27:46
in
27:47
our
27:47
book
27:47
title
27:47
for
27:48
sure.
27:48
So
27:49
I'm
27:50
curious
27:50
about
27:51
how
27:52
do
27:52
you
27:52
measure
27:53
success?
27:54
I
27:54
know
27:54
a
27:55
lot
27:55
of
27:55
people
27:55
think,
27:55
oh,
27:56
you
27:56
write
27:57
a
27:57
book
27:57
and
27:58
you
27:58
sell
27:58
thousands
27:59
of
27:59
copies
28:00
and
28:00
you
28:00
go
28:00
on
28:00
a
28:01
writing
28:01
circuit
28:02
and
28:02
people
28:02
put
28:03
you
28:03
up
28:03
in
28:03
first
28:03
class
28:04
hotels
28:04
and
28:05
you
28:05
get
28:06
a
28:06
movie
28:06
deal.
28:07
Most
28:07
of
28:07
that
28:08
is
28:08
not
28:08
true
28:09
at
28:09
all.
28:10
So
28:10
tell
28:10
me
28:11
about
28:11
how
28:11
you
28:12
both
28:12
are
28:12
measuring
28:13
your
28:14
success.
28:15
I
28:15
certainly
28:15
wouldn't
28:16
poo
28:16
lots
28:16
of
28:17
people
28:17
buying
28:17
the
28:17
book,
28:18
but
28:18
mostly
28:18
because
28:20
we
28:20
want
28:20
everyone
28:21
to
28:21
feel
28:22
good
28:22
about
28:22
and
28:23
understand
28:23
what
28:24
dyslexia
28:24
is.
28:25
And
28:27
for
28:27
us,
28:28
an
28:28
example
28:28
is
28:29
John.
28:29
We
28:29
went
28:29
to.
28:30
Sometimes
28:30
we'll
28:31
go
28:31
to
28:31
a
28:31
school
28:31
and
28:32
read
28:32
and
28:33
we
28:33
went
28:33
back
28:33
to
28:33
Windward
28:34
and
28:35
the
28:35
kids
28:35
who
28:35
got
28:36
to
28:36
listen
28:36
to
28:36
the
28:36
story
28:37
and
28:37
then
28:37
there
28:38
was
28:38
a
28:38
Q
28:38
and
28:38
A
28:39
and
28:39
they
28:39
treated
28:40
John
28:40
like
28:40
a
28:40
rock
28:40
star
28:41
because
28:41
they
28:41
could
28:42
see
28:42
themselves
28:42
in
28:43
him
28:43
and
28:43
see
28:43
the
28:44
success
28:44
he's
28:45
built
28:45
from
28:46
where
28:46
they
28:46
are
28:46
now
28:47
to
28:47
where
28:48
he
28:48
is.
28:49
And
28:49
they,
28:49
oh,
28:50
can
28:50
we
28:50
have
28:50
your
28:50
autographs?
28:51
And
28:52
they
28:52
really,
28:52
it
28:52
all
28:53
resonated
28:53
with
28:54
them.
28:54
And
28:54
I
28:54
think
28:55
for
28:55
me
28:56
watching
28:57
that
28:57
is.
28:58
That's
28:58
exactly
28:59
what
28:59
we
28:59
wanted
28:59
from
29:00
this
29:00
book.
29:00
So
29:00
to
29:01
me,
29:01
that's
29:01
success.
29:02
Honestly,
29:03
it's
29:03
a
29:03
very
29:03
similar
29:04
place.
29:04
For
29:04
me,
29:05
it
29:05
would
29:05
be
29:05
great
29:05
if
29:06
people
29:06
would
29:06
go
29:07
out
29:07
of
29:07
their
29:07
way
29:07
and
29:07
Buy
29:08
our
29:08
book.
29:08
But
29:09
at
29:09
the
29:09
end
29:09
of
29:09
the
29:09
day,
29:09
we
29:10
really
29:10
just
29:10
wanted
29:10
to
29:11
make
29:11
something
29:11
that
29:11
could
29:12
make
29:12
people
29:13
feel
29:14
is
29:14
a
29:14
win
29:14
in
29:15
our
29:15
book.
29:15
I
29:16
also
29:16
noticed
29:17
that
29:17
you
29:17
won
29:18
the.
29:18
I
29:18
want
29:18
to
29:19
get
29:19
this
29:19
right.
29:19
The
29:19
Creative
29:20
Child
29:21
magazine
29:22
Book
29:22
of
29:22
the
29:22
year
29:23
award
29:23
for
29:23
2023.
29:25
Can
29:25
you
29:25
tell
29:25
me
29:25
a
29:26
little
29:26
bit
29:26
about
29:26
that
29:27
success
29:27
and
29:27
how
29:28
did
29:28
the
29:28
recognition
29:29
come
29:29
about?
29:30
Yeah,
29:30
we.
29:31
That
29:31
the
29:31
English.
29:31
No,
29:32
they're
29:32
both.
29:32
The
29:32
Spanish
29:33
we
29:33
actually
29:33
translated
29:34
into
29:35
Spanish.
29:35
I.
29:36
But
29:37
we
29:38
had
29:39
sent
29:39
books
29:39
out
29:40
to
29:40
different
29:40
committees,
29:42
and
29:42
just
29:43
because
29:43
we.
29:44
We
29:44
had
29:45
been
29:45
asked
29:45
to
29:46
do
29:46
that,
29:46
people
29:47
wanted
29:47
to
29:47
know
29:48
more
29:48
about
29:48
our
29:48
book.
29:49
And
29:50
this
29:50
particular
29:51
company,
29:52
this,
29:52
the
29:53
Children's
29:53
Creatives,
29:54
is
29:54
sitting.
29:55
I
29:55
can
29:55
never
29:56
get
29:56
it
29:56
right.
29:56
You'll
29:56
have
29:56
to
29:57
excuse
29:57
me.
29:57
Give
29:57
me
29:57
a
29:58
second
29:59
creative
29:59
child
30:00
of
30:00
2023.
30:01
I
30:01
didn't
30:01
want
30:02
to
30:02
misquote,
30:03
but
30:04
when
30:04
they
30:05
asked
30:05
us
30:05
for
30:05
the
30:05
book
30:06
and
30:06
we
30:06
sent
30:06
it,
30:06
they
30:07
told
30:07
us
30:07
that
30:08
we
30:08
won
30:08
in
30:08
our
30:09
category
30:09
of
30:09
children's
30:10
books,
30:10
and
30:10
we
30:10
were
30:11
thrilled.
30:11
Good
30:12
for
30:12
you.
30:12
Congratulations
30:13
on
30:13
that.
30:14
Thank
30:14
you.
30:14
That's
30:14
pretty
30:15
special.
30:15
You
30:16
know
30:16
what?
30:16
I
30:16
actually
30:16
haven't
30:17
submitted
30:17
our
30:17
book
30:18
for
30:18
awards
30:18
like
30:18
you've
30:19
done.
30:19
I've
30:20
actually
30:20
submitted
30:21
our
30:21
book
30:21
for
30:22
grants
30:23
because
30:23
it's
30:24
all
30:24
about.
30:25
It's
30:25
definitely
30:26
writing
30:26
a
30:26
children's
30:27
book
30:27
generally
30:27
isn't
30:28
a
30:28
way
30:28
to
30:28
get
30:28
rich.
30:29
And
30:30
my
30:30
wife
30:30
and
30:30
I
30:31
said,
30:31
you
30:31
know
30:31
what?
30:32
We'll
30:32
take
30:33
the
30:33
sale
30:34
proceeds
30:34
from
30:34
the
30:35
first
30:35
book
30:35
to
30:36
pay
30:36
for
30:36
the
30:36
second
30:36
book.
30:37
So
30:37
that's
30:37
being.
30:38
That's
30:38
what
30:38
we've
30:39
been
30:39
trying
30:39
to
30:39
do
30:39
in
30:40
our
30:40
journey.
30:41
So
30:41
if.
30:41
If
30:42
I.
30:42
If
30:42
we
30:42
can
30:42
get
30:42
a
30:43
grant
30:43
or
30:43
two
30:44
to
30:44
help,
30:45
then
30:45
all
30:46
the
30:46
more,
30:46
all
30:46
the
30:47
better.
30:47
Yeah,
30:48
for
30:48
sure.
30:49
I
30:50
was
30:50
going
30:50
to
30:50
ask
30:50
this
30:50
a
30:51
little
30:51
later,
30:51
but
30:51
I'll
30:51
ask
30:52
it
30:52
now.
30:52
Tell
30:52
me
30:53
about
30:53
now.
30:54
You
30:54
offer
30:54
your
30:54
book
30:55
in
30:55
Spanish.
30:56
So
30:56
tell
30:57
me
30:57
about
30:57
how
30:57
that
30:58
happened
30:58
and
30:59
what's
31:00
that
31:00
experience
31:00
been
31:01
like?
31:02
We.
31:03
We
31:03
don't
31:04
speak
31:04
Spanish
31:04
fluently.
31:05
I
31:05
know
31:06
a
31:06
little,
31:06
but
31:07
I
31:07
cannot
31:08
tell
31:08
you
31:09
daily
31:09
here
31:10
on
31:10
the
31:10
east
31:10
coast,
31:11
especially
31:11
in
31:12
a
31:12
community
31:12
we're
31:12
close
31:13
to
31:13
New
31:13
York.
31:14
We
31:14
know
31:15
people
31:15
in
31:16
Florida,
31:17
people
31:17
who
31:17
speak
31:18
Spanish.
31:19
It's
31:19
one
31:19
of
31:19
the
31:20
fastest
31:20
growing
31:20
communities
31:21
in
31:22
our
31:22
country.
31:23
And
31:24
we're
31:24
not
31:24
even
31:24
talking
31:25
the
31:25
world,
31:25
but
31:25
in
31:26
our
31:26
country.
31:27
And
31:27
we
31:28
know
31:28
for
31:28
a
31:28
fact,
31:29
I
31:29
know
31:29
some
31:29
teachers
31:30
who
31:30
do
31:31
teach
31:31
children
31:32
who
31:32
speak
31:33
Spanish,
31:33
that
31:33
there
31:34
is
31:34
a
31:34
huge
31:34
community
31:35
that's
31:35
dyslexic,
31:36
and
31:37
they
31:37
absolutely
31:38
do
31:38
not
31:38
have
31:38
this
31:39
book
31:39
and
31:39
less
31:40
resources
31:40
than
31:41
some
31:41
other
31:41
students.
31:42
And
31:42
so
31:42
we
31:43
were
31:43
hoping
31:43
to
31:43
reach
31:44
them
31:44
as
31:44
well.
31:45
Interesting.
31:46
Because
31:46
you
31:46
know
31:46
what
31:46
I.
31:47
Part
31:48
of
31:48
this
31:48
is
31:48
to
31:48
help
31:49
aspiring
31:50
authors.
31:51
You
31:51
know
31:51
what
31:52
if
31:52
you
31:52
think
31:52
about
31:52
it,
31:53
whether
31:53
you
31:53
live
31:53
in
31:54
the
31:54
United
31:54
States
31:55
or
31:55
you
31:55
live
31:55
in
31:55
Canada,
31:56
most
31:56
of
31:57
us
31:57
are
31:57
immigrants.
31:59
Our
31:59
background,
31:59
100%.
32:01
It's.
32:01
And
32:01
that
32:02
still
32:02
continues
32:03
to
32:03
this
32:03
day.
32:04
So
32:04
to.
32:05
Actually
32:06
someone
32:06
might
32:07
be.
32:07
Might
32:07
come
32:08
be
32:09
new
32:09
to
32:09
the
32:09
country
32:10
and
32:11
English
32:12
isn't
32:12
their
32:12
first
32:13
language.
32:13
And
32:14
so
32:14
it's
32:14
neat
32:15
that
32:15
you
32:15
guys
32:16
launched
32:16
the
32:16
book
32:17
in
32:17
Spanish
32:17
because
32:18
even
32:18
though
32:19
that
32:19
you're
32:19
in
32:19
the
32:20
United
32:20
States,
32:21
people
32:21
go,
32:22
oh,
32:22
I
32:22
can
32:23
do
32:23
this
32:23
maybe
32:23
in
32:24
my
32:25
mother
32:25
tongue
32:25
first,
32:26
which
32:26
maybe
32:26
is
32:27
Spanish,
32:27
and
32:28
then
32:28
translate
32:29
it
32:29
to
32:30
English.
32:30
I
32:31
just
32:31
want
32:31
people
32:31
to
32:32
know
32:32
as
32:33
authors
32:33
that
32:34
there's
32:34
more
32:34
than
32:35
one
32:35
way
32:35
to
32:35
come
32:35
at
32:36
a
32:36
children's
32:36
book,
32:37
even
32:37
if
32:37
your
32:38
first
32:38
language
32:39
isn't
32:39
English,
32:40
even
32:41
in
32:41
North
32:41
America.
32:42
True.
32:43
So
32:43
thanks
32:44
for
32:44
being
32:44
inspirational
32:45
about
32:45
that.
32:46
That's
32:46
pretty
32:47
neat.
32:47
Is
32:47
there
32:47
any
32:48
other
32:48
deeper
32:49
reason
32:49
for
32:50
this
32:50
first
32:50
doing
32:51
it
32:51
in
32:51
Spanish
32:52
or.
32:53
We
32:53
just
32:53
wanted
32:54
more
32:54
people
32:54
to
32:54
be
32:54
able
32:54
to
32:55
access
32:55
it.
32:55
It
32:56
would
32:56
be
32:56
interesting
32:56
because
32:57
one
32:57
of
32:57
the
32:57
first
32:57
bulk
32:58
orders
32:58
that
32:59
we
32:59
had
33:00
was
33:00
to
33:00
a
33:01
school
33:01
in
33:01
France.
33:02
And
33:02
so
33:02
we
33:02
were
33:02
like,
33:03
huh,
33:03
that's
33:04
interesting.
33:05
So
33:06
we've
33:06
thought.
33:06
So
33:06
then
33:07
we
33:07
started
33:07
to
33:07
talk
33:08
about
33:08
should
33:08
we
33:08
translate
33:09
and
33:09
what
33:09
should
33:09
the
33:10
first
33:10
language
33:11
probably
33:11
should
33:12
be
33:12
in
33:12
this
33:12
country?
33:13
Spanish.
33:14
We
33:14
have
33:15
thought
33:15
about
33:16
also
33:16
doing
33:16
other
33:17
languages.
33:17
We'll
33:17
see
33:18
how
33:18
this
33:18
Spanish
33:19
version
33:19
does.
33:20
Very
33:20
interesting.
33:21
Jonathan.
33:22
This.
33:22
I'll
33:23
direct
33:23
this
33:23
to
33:23
Jonathan
33:24
first,
33:24
only
33:25
because
33:25
of
33:25
his
33:26
art
33:26
background.
33:27
I'm
33:28
curious.
33:28
So
33:29
your
33:29
art
33:30
and
33:30
then
33:30
the
33:31
role
33:31
of
33:31
writing.
33:32
So
33:32
tell
33:33
me
33:33
about
33:33
how
33:34
that
33:34
fits
33:35
in
33:35
your
33:35
mind,
33:36
like
33:36
doing
33:37
your
33:37
art
33:37
and
33:37
then
33:38
doing
33:38
the
33:38
writing.
33:39
For
33:39
me,
33:40
I've
33:40
always
33:40
been
33:41
a
33:41
huge
33:41
fan
33:41
of
33:41
storytelling.
33:42
Even
33:43
when
33:43
I
33:43
was
33:43
unable
33:43
to
33:44
read
33:44
or
33:44
write.
33:44
One
33:44
of
33:44
my
33:45
favorite
33:45
things
33:45
to
33:46
do
33:46
was
33:47
look
33:47
at
33:47
picture
33:48
books,
33:48
specifically
33:49
the
33:49
pictures
33:49
inside
33:50
them.
33:50
Because
33:51
even
33:51
if
33:51
I
33:52
wasn't
33:52
able
33:52
to
33:53
read
33:53
what
33:53
was
33:53
going
33:54
on,
33:54
I
33:54
could
33:54
make
33:55
guesses
33:55
and
33:55
tell
33:56
a
33:56
story.
33:57
And
33:58
that
33:58
urge
33:59
never
33:59
really
33:59
went
33:59
away,
34:00
even
34:00
after
34:00
I
34:00
was
34:01
remediated.
34:02
Okay.
34:02
So
34:02
now
34:03
the
34:03
only
34:03
difference
34:04
is
34:04
I
34:04
have
34:04
combined
34:05
writing
34:06
with
34:07
my
34:07
art
34:07
practice
34:08
and
34:09
so
34:09
that
34:09
creates
34:10
some
34:10
more
34:11
abstract
34:12
pieces
34:12
at
34:12
times.
34:13
But
34:14
I
34:14
deeply
34:15
enjoy
34:15
that
34:16
sort
34:16
of
34:16
switch
34:16
I
34:16
made.
34:17
And
34:18
Lynn,
34:18
the
34:19
role
34:19
of
34:19
writing
34:19
for
34:20
you.
34:20
I
34:21
was
34:21
an
34:22
English
34:22
major
34:22
way
34:23
back
34:23
when
34:23
I
34:23
went
34:23
to
34:23
college.
34:24
I've
34:25
always.
34:25
I
34:26
love.
34:26
I've
34:26
always
34:27
loved
34:27
reading.
34:27
I've
34:28
always
34:28
loved
34:28
words.
34:29
I
34:29
went
34:30
on
34:30
to
34:30
law
34:30
school
34:31
where
34:32
words
34:32
matter.
34:33
And
34:34
I.
34:35
I
34:35
really
34:35
liked
34:36
being
34:36
a
34:36
lawyer
34:37
at
34:37
a
34:37
point.
34:38
I
34:39
really
34:40
loved
34:40
creative
34:41
writing
34:42
more.
34:43
A
34:43
little
34:43
bit
34:44
more.
34:44
And
34:45
so
34:45
decided
34:46
that
34:46
was
34:46
more
34:46
the
34:47
avenue
34:47
that
34:47
I
34:48
would
34:48
pursue.
34:49
So
34:50
we
34:50
have
34:51
your
34:51
story
34:52
in
34:52
terms
34:52
of.
34:53
With
34:53
COVID
34:54
hitting
34:54
and
34:54
the
34:54
lockdown
34:55
and
34:56
using
34:56
that
34:57
time
34:58
to
34:58
develop
34:59
a
34:59
book.
34:59
I
35:00
heard
35:00
today
35:00
it's
35:01
four
35:01
years
35:02
since
35:02
COVID
35:03
hit,
35:04
so
35:04
I
35:05
thought,
35:05
wow.
35:06
So
35:06
I'm
35:07
curious
35:07
on
35:08
what
35:08
advice
35:09
now
35:10
you
35:10
would
35:10
have
35:10
for
35:11
people
35:11
aren't
35:11
in
35:11
lockdown
35:12
anymore.
35:12
But
35:13
so
35:13
what
35:13
advice
35:14
would
35:14
you
35:14
give
35:15
aspiring
35:15
authors
35:16
today
35:17
if
35:17
they
35:17
wanted
35:17
to
35:18
start
35:18
a
35:18
book,
35:19
children's
35:19
book?
35:20
I
35:21
would
35:21
say
35:22
find
35:23
something.
35:24
Find
35:24
a
35:24
topic
35:25
that
35:26
speaks
35:26
to
35:26
you.
35:27
Find
35:27
a
35:28
story
35:28
that
35:29
you
35:29
are
35:29
interested
35:30
in
35:30
telling.
35:31
I
35:31
think
35:32
like
35:32
anything
35:32
else,
35:33
a
35:33
children's
35:33
book
35:34
or
35:34
any
35:34
literature,
35:35
I
35:35
think
35:36
it
35:36
resonates
35:37
and
35:38
the
35:38
writing
35:39
is
35:39
more
35:39
honest
35:40
and
35:41
resounds
35:42
with
35:42
people
35:43
when
35:44
you
35:44
speak
35:45
from
35:45
the
35:45
heart.
35:46
So
35:46
find
35:46
something
35:47
that
35:47
you
35:47
are
35:48
passionate
35:48
about
35:48
and
35:49
then
35:49
write
35:49
about
35:49
it.
35:50
And
35:51
I
35:51
would
35:51
build
35:52
on
35:52
that
35:52
and
35:53
say
35:54
finding
35:54
that
35:55
passion
35:56
is
35:56
incredibly
35:57
important,
35:57
but
35:58
also
35:58
sometimes
35:59
sharing
35:59
it
35:59
with
36:00
others
36:01
and
36:01
finding
36:02
people
36:02
who
36:03
you
36:03
trust
36:04
to
36:04
help
36:04
you
36:04
along
36:05
that
36:05
path.
36:05
It
36:06
might
36:06
be
36:06
a
36:06
bit
36:07
bumpy
36:07
at
36:07
times.
36:08
We
36:08
learned
36:09
that
36:09
personally.
36:10
But
36:11
finding
36:12
people
36:12
you
36:12
can
36:12
trust,
36:13
you're
36:14
not
36:14
a
36:14
mountain.
36:15
You
36:15
can't
36:16
possibly
36:16
know
36:16
how
36:16
to
36:17
do
36:17
all
36:17
of
36:17
this
36:17
stuff.
36:18
So
36:18
don't
36:19
take
36:19
it
36:19
too
36:20
hard
36:20
when
36:20
you
36:20
hit
36:20
a
36:21
roadblock
36:21
and
36:21
you're
36:22
struggling
36:22
to
36:23
figure
36:23
out
36:23
what's
36:23
next.
36:24
Lynn,
36:25
now
36:25
that
36:25
you've
36:25
shared
36:26
that
36:26
you
36:26
have
36:26
grandchildren,
36:28
tell
36:28
me
36:28
a
36:28
little
36:28
bit
36:29
about
36:29
are
36:30
they
36:30
interested
36:31
in
36:31
saying
36:31
you
36:32
helped
36:32
Jonathan?
36:33
So
36:34
can
36:34
you
36:34
help?
36:35
I
36:36
do
36:36
a
36:36
book
36:37
or.
36:37
Every
36:37
child's
36:38
different,
36:38
as
36:39
you
36:39
said.
36:39
But
36:39
I'm
36:40
curious,
36:40
are.
36:41
Is
36:41
any
36:41
one
36:42
of
36:42
them
36:42
interested
36:42
in
36:43
doing
36:44
their
36:44
own
36:44
children's
36:45
book?
36:46
I
36:46
don't
36:46
know
36:46
if
36:46
they're
36:47
yet,
36:47
but
36:47
they're
36:48
just
36:48
super
36:49
happy
36:49
to
36:50
be
36:50
in
36:51
these
36:51
stories
36:52
and
36:52
to
36:52
be
36:53
able
36:53
to
36:53
show
36:54
that.
36:55
My
36:55
nephew
36:56
always
36:57
loves
36:57
showing
36:58
a
36:58
copy
36:58
of
36:59
the
36:59
book
36:59
to
37:00
his
37:00
friends.
37:01
And
37:01
my
37:02
niece
37:02
is
37:02
also
37:03
up
37:03
there
37:03
doing
37:03
the
37:04
similar
37:04
thing.
37:05
I
37:05
think
37:06
honestly,
37:06
I
37:06
would
37:07
love
37:07
for
37:07
them
37:07
one
37:08
day
37:08
to
37:08
come
37:09
to
37:09
us
37:09
and
37:09
say
37:09
they
37:10
wanted
37:10
to
37:10
do
37:10
something
37:10
like
37:11
that.
37:11
But
37:12
I
37:13
think
37:13
as
37:13
of
37:13
this
37:14
moment,
37:14
they're
37:15
more
37:15
interested
37:15
in
37:16
being
37:16
able
37:16
to
37:16
say
37:16
that
37:17
they're
37:17
a
37:17
part
37:17
of
37:17
it.
37:18
The
37:18
youngest
37:19
is
37:19
way
37:19
too.
37:19
He's
37:20
little.
37:20
He's.
37:21
Yeah.
37:22
But
37:22
I
37:22
would
37:23
say
37:23
yes,
37:24
I
37:24
would.
37:25
And
37:25
to
37:25
also
37:26
say
37:26
that
37:27
my
37:27
grandson
37:28
idolizes.
37:29
They
37:29
both
37:30
idolize
37:30
John.
37:31
But
37:31
now
37:32
the
37:32
my
37:32
grandson
37:33
is
37:33
starting
37:33
to
37:34
explore
37:34
art
37:34
classes
37:35
and
37:36
I
37:36
think
37:36
that.
37:37
That
37:37
they
37:38
are
37:38
both
37:38
interested
37:39
and
37:39
we'll
37:40
see
37:40
how
37:40
they
37:41
want
37:41
to
37:41
pursue
37:41
it
37:42
for
37:42
sure.
37:43
Fantastic.
37:44
It's
37:44
all.
37:45
It
37:45
just
37:45
makes
37:45
your
37:45
heart
37:46
warm,
37:46
right?
37:46
When
37:47
you
37:47
say
37:48
that,
37:48
Uncle.
37:49
A
37:50
feeling
37:50
like
37:50
no
37:50
other.
37:51
Thank
37:51
you.
37:51
That
37:52
is
37:52
fantastic.
37:54
So
37:54
I'm
37:55
also
37:55
interested
37:56
in.
37:57
Of
37:57
course,
37:57
we're
37:58
talking
37:58
to
37:58
readers.
37:59
So
38:00
tell
38:00
me
38:01
why
38:01
should
38:02
book
38:03
readers
38:04
purchase
38:04
your
38:05
book?
38:05
It's
38:06
a
38:06
great
38:06
book.
38:07
The
38:08
illustrations
38:08
are
38:09
wonderful.
38:09
John's
38:10
characters
38:10
are
38:11
really
38:12
endearing
38:13
and
38:13
really
38:14
adorable.
38:16
The
38:16
pictures
38:16
are
38:16
great.
38:17
And
38:18
I
38:18
think,
38:18
as
38:19
we've
38:19
said,
38:19
I
38:19
think
38:20
it
38:20
speaks.
38:21
It
38:21
opens
38:22
up
38:22
conversations.
38:23
It
38:23
talks
38:24
about
38:24
people's
38:25
differences
38:25
and
38:26
why
38:26
it's
38:26
so
38:26
good
38:27
to
38:27
applaud
38:27
those
38:28
and
38:28
not
38:28
to
38:28
be
38:29
negative
38:29
about
38:29
them.
38:30
I
38:30
think
38:31
the
38:31
world
38:31
needs
38:31
more
38:31
of
38:32
that,
38:32
quite
38:32
frankly.
38:33
I
38:33
think
38:33
there's
38:33
a
38:33
little
38:34
bit
38:34
too
38:34
much
38:34
negativity.
38:35
And
38:36
for
38:36
us,
38:37
we
38:38
feel
38:38
really
38:38
good
38:39
about
38:39
the
38:39
fact
38:39
that
38:40
people
38:40
would
38:40
talk
38:40
about
38:41
their
38:41
differences
38:41
and
38:42
applaud
38:42
them.
38:43
Every
38:43
little
38:43
thing
38:44
helps.
38:44
Yeah.
38:45
Yeah.
38:45
Because
38:45
I
38:46
mean,
38:46
that
38:46
you
38:46
look
38:47
at.
38:47
Like
38:47
you
38:47
said,
38:47
first
38:48
of
38:48
all,
38:48
Jonathan,
38:49
I
38:49
love
38:49
the
38:49
illustrations.
38:50
I
38:50
wish
38:50
I
38:50
was.
38:51
I
38:52
had
38:52
trouble
38:52
drawing
38:52
a
38:53
happy
38:53
face,
38:54
so.
38:55
Okay.
38:57
I
38:57
feel
38:57
like
38:58
never
38:58
put
38:59
yourself
38:59
down
39:00
what
39:00
your
39:01
level
39:01
is.
39:01
That
39:02
that
39:02
is
39:03
something
39:03
I
39:04
have
39:04
seen
39:04
many
39:05
things
39:05
in
39:05
my
39:05
time
39:05
being
39:06
an
39:06
art
39:06
student
39:07
from,
39:08
and
39:08
that
39:09
there
39:09
is
39:09
no
39:09
such
39:09
thing
39:10
as
39:10
bad
39:11
for
39:11
everyone.
39:12
So
39:12
I'm
39:12
sure
39:13
your
39:13
faces,
39:14
even
39:14
if
39:14
you
39:15
say
39:15
you
39:15
struggle
39:15
with
39:15
the
39:15
smiley
39:16
faces,
39:17
I'm
39:17
sure
39:18
they're
39:18
actually
39:19
quite
39:19
good
39:20
and
39:20
interesting.
39:21
Thanks.
39:22
So,
39:22
in
39:23
terms
39:23
of
39:23
the
39:23
illustrations,
39:25
I'm
39:25
curious,
39:26
did
39:27
some
39:27
of
39:27
the
39:27
illustrations
39:28
come
39:28
first
39:29
and
39:29
then
39:29
the
39:29
words,
39:30
or
39:30
did
39:31
all
39:31
the
39:31
words
39:31
come
39:32
first
39:32
and
39:32
then
39:32
the
39:32
illustrations?
39:34
There
39:34
were
39:34
ideas
39:35
of
39:35
what
39:36
pages
39:36
might
39:36
look
39:37
like,
39:37
but
39:38
generally
39:38
speaking,
39:39
the
39:39
words
39:40
were
39:41
what
39:41
I
39:42
based
39:42
the
39:42
images
39:43
around.
39:43
The
39:44
very
39:44
first
39:44
thing
39:45
is
39:45
we,
39:45
John
39:46
drew
39:46
Robbie.
39:47
Yes.
39:47
And
39:47
then
39:48
the
39:48
rest
39:48
of
39:48
the
39:48
story
39:49
grew
39:49
from
39:49
that.
39:50
I
39:50
know
39:50
there's.
39:51
I
39:51
think
39:51
there's
39:51
a
39:52
blue
39:52
taxi
39:53
and
39:53
a
39:53
green
39:54
taxi,
39:54
and
39:55
Robbie's
39:55
yellow.
39:57
So
39:57
how
39:57
did
39:57
you
39:58
settle
39:58
on
39:59
yellow
40:00
for
40:00
Robbie?
40:01
First,
40:02
we
40:02
thought
40:02
that
40:02
would
40:03
be
40:03
the
40:03
most
40:03
recognizable
40:04
as
40:04
a
40:04
taxi.
40:05
We
40:05
wanted
40:05
to
40:06
add
40:06
some
40:06
color,
40:06
and
40:06
we
40:07
didn't
40:07
want
40:07
to
40:07
add
40:07
confusion.
40:08
So
40:09
we
40:09
took
40:09
the
40:09
Thomas
40:09
the
40:09
Tank
40:10
Engine
40:10
approach
40:10
of
40:11
every
40:11
car
40:12
is
40:12
slightly
40:12
different,
40:13
even
40:13
though
40:13
probably
40:14
you
40:14
wouldn't
40:14
see
40:14
these
40:15
things
40:15
in
40:16
the
40:16
wild.
40:17
That's
40:17
great.
40:18
I
40:18
know.
40:19
We
40:19
talked
40:19
about
40:20
your
40:20
books
40:20
available
40:21
on
40:22
Amazon,
40:23
through
40:23
all
40:24
other
40:24
online
40:25
and
40:25
book
40:25
retailers,
40:26
through
40:26
IngramSpark's
40:27
distribution
40:28
center
40:28
system.
40:29
And
40:30
then
40:30
you
40:30
called
40:30
it,
40:31
I'm
40:31
sorry,
40:31
cloud.
40:32
Cloud
40:33
printer.
40:33
But
40:34
that
40:34
almost
40:35
doesn't
40:35
matter.
40:35
If
40:36
they
40:36
go
40:36
to
40:36
the
40:36
website,
40:37
the
40:37
Creative
40:37
Cab
40:38
Company,
40:39
there's
40:39
a
40:40
landing
40:40
page
40:40
that
40:41
can
40:41
direct
40:41
you
40:41
right
40:42
to
40:42
where
40:42
you
40:42
buy
40:43
it.
40:43
Right.
40:43
Okay.
40:44
Now
40:45
that's
40:45
another
40:45
approach.
40:46
All
40:46
right.
40:47
And
40:47
I.
40:48
I
40:48
only
40:48
asked
40:49
this
40:49
question
40:49
because
40:50
over
40:50
the
40:50
last
40:50
couple
40:51
of
40:51
podcast
40:52
interviews
40:52
I've
40:53
done,
40:53
I.
40:54
The
40:54
last
40:55
two,
40:55
they
40:56
both
40:56
created
40:57
a
40:58
online
40:58
store
40:59
on
40:59
their
41:00
website.
41:00
One's
41:01
using
41:02
Shopify,
41:02
and
41:03
the
41:03
other
41:03
One
41:03
is
41:03
using
41:04
Printful.
41:05
And
41:06
of
41:06
course
41:07
the
41:07
neat
41:08
thing
41:08
about
41:09
for
41:09
you
41:10
is
41:10
with
41:11
Jonathan
41:12
being
41:12
so
41:12
talented
41:13
as
41:13
an
41:13
illustrator.
41:14
I'm
41:14
just
41:15
curious
41:15
on,
41:16
are
41:16
you
41:17
thinking
41:17
at
41:18
some
41:18
point
41:18
of
41:19
doing
41:19
merchandise
41:20
through
41:20
your
41:20
website
41:21
or
41:21
have
41:21
you
41:21
given
41:21
that
41:22
any
41:22
thought?
41:23
Oh,
41:23
we've
41:23
definitely.
41:24
We
41:24
tried
41:25
a
41:25
mug
41:25
once,
41:26
just
41:26
started
41:26
prototyping
41:27
that.
41:27
We've
41:28
done
41:28
bookmarks
41:29
like
41:29
you
41:29
did.
41:30
They
41:30
didn't
41:30
lead
41:30
to
41:31
an
41:31
audiobook,
41:31
but
41:32
they
41:32
did
41:32
lead
41:32
us
41:33
to
41:34
the
41:34
website
41:34
page.
41:35
We've
41:36
tried
41:36
coloring
41:36
pages
41:37
that
41:37
we
41:37
give
41:38
out
41:38
during
41:38
readings,
41:39
so
41:40
that
41:40
is
41:41
definitely
41:41
on
41:41
the
41:41
table.
41:42
We
41:42
were
41:42
trying
41:42
to
41:43
iron
41:43
out
41:43
some
41:44
of
41:44
the
41:45
things
41:45
that
41:46
we
41:46
were
41:46
having
41:46
some
41:47
issues
41:47
with.
41:47
One
41:47
of
41:48
them
41:48
was
41:48
part
41:48
of
41:48
the
41:49
website.
41:50
And
41:50
so
41:50
we
41:50
wanted
41:51
to
41:51
make
41:52
our
41:52
website
41:53
really
41:54
friendly
41:55
for
41:55
everyone
41:55
and
41:55
easy
41:56
to
41:56
navigate.
41:57
And
41:57
now
41:58
we
41:58
are
41:58
definitely
41:59
in
41:59
the
41:59
process
42:00
of
42:00
thinking
42:00
about
42:01
what
42:01
kind
42:01
of
42:01
merchandise
42:02
might
42:02
be
42:02
fun
42:03
to
42:03
include
42:04
as
42:04
well.
42:05
Yeah.
42:05
And
42:05
the
42:05
only
42:05
reason
42:06
I
42:06
mentioned
42:07
if
42:08
it
42:08
wasn't
42:08
for
42:09
other
42:10
children's
42:10
book
42:11
authors
42:11
saying,
42:12
you
42:12
know
42:12
what?
42:13
I
42:13
didn't.
42:14
I
42:14
had
42:14
all
42:14
the
42:14
graphics,
42:16
but
42:16
I
42:16
didn't
42:16
have
42:16
the
42:17
infrastructure.
42:17
Shopify
42:18
or
42:19
Printful.
42:20
They
42:20
have
42:20
the
42:20
infrastructure
42:21
and
42:22
they
42:22
do
42:22
all
42:22
the
42:22
work.
42:23
You
42:23
just
42:23
pay
42:24
them,
42:24
they
42:24
take
42:25
part
42:25
of
42:25
the
42:25
proceeds.
42:26
But
42:26
then
42:26
you
42:27
have
42:27
some
42:28
merchandise,
42:29
especially
42:29
some
42:29
of
42:30
the
42:30
characters,
42:31
like
42:31
they
42:31
come
42:32
to
42:32
life
42:32
on
42:33
whatever
42:33
it
42:33
is,
42:33
a
42:34
mug
42:34
or
42:34
a
42:34
bag
42:35
or
42:36
whatever
42:36
it
42:36
happens
42:36
to
42:37
be.
42:37
We
42:38
have
42:38
trademarked
42:39
all
42:39
of
42:39
it,
42:40
so
42:40
it's
42:40
ours
42:41
to,
42:41
to
42:41
decide
42:42
how
42:42
we
42:42
want
42:42
to
42:43
use
42:43
it.
42:44
And
42:44
that's
42:44
part
42:44
of
42:45
2025.
42:46
So
42:47
I'm
42:47
wondering
42:47
if
42:47
you
42:48
could
42:48
give
42:48
us
42:48
your
42:49
final
42:49
thoughts.
42:50
Is
42:50
there
42:50
anything
42:51
you'd
42:51
like
42:51
to
42:51
share
42:52
with
42:53
both,
42:54
not
42:54
only
42:54
aspiring
42:55
book
42:56
authors,
42:56
chivalry
42:57
book
42:57
authors,
42:57
but
42:58
also
42:59
readers,
43:00
children's
43:00
book
43:00
readers.
43:01
So
43:01
if
43:02
you
43:02
could
43:02
answer
43:02
it
43:02
in
43:03
two
43:03
parts,
43:04
that
43:04
would
43:04
be
43:05
fantastic.
43:06
As
43:07
I
43:07
said
43:08
for
43:08
writers,
43:09
don't
43:10
get
43:10
hung
43:10
up,
43:11
there
43:11
will
43:11
be
43:11
issues.
43:12
And
43:13
just
43:14
don't
43:14
lose
43:14
hope
43:15
that
43:15
this
43:15
won't
43:16
work.
43:17
Because
43:17
if
43:17
you
43:17
put
43:17
in
43:18
the
43:18
time
43:18
and
43:18
the
43:18
effort,
43:19
it
43:19
will.
43:20
And
43:20
that
43:20
is
43:21
there
43:22
is
43:22
no
43:22
other
43:22
feeling
43:22
like
43:23
it.
43:23
And
43:24
for
43:24
readers,
43:25
I'd
43:26
say
43:27
maybe
43:27
not
43:27
every
43:28
book
43:28
is
43:28
for
43:28
you.
43:28
And
43:29
you'll
43:29
find
43:30
though,
43:30
the
43:30
only
43:30
way
43:31
you'll
43:31
find
43:31
what
43:32
you
43:32
really
43:32
love
43:32
is
43:33
by
43:33
reading
43:33
a
43:34
ton.
43:34
And
43:35
if
43:35
you
43:35
have
43:35
ever
43:36
any
43:36
trouble
43:37
reading
43:38
like
43:38
I
43:38
did,
43:39
don't
43:39
let
43:39
it
43:39
get
43:40
to
43:40
you.
43:41
You'll
43:41
be
43:42
able
43:42
to
43:42
find
43:42
a
43:42
way
43:43
through
43:43
it.
43:43
There
43:43
are
43:43
so
43:44
many
43:44
other
43:44
famous,
43:45
well
43:46
known,
43:46
renowned
43:46
people
43:47
that
43:47
have
43:47
had
43:48
been
43:48
in
43:48
similar
43:48
shoes
43:49
as
43:49
you
43:49
and
43:50
they've
43:50
been
43:50
able
43:51
to
43:51
survive
43:52
and
43:53
flourish.
43:53
Right.
43:54
That
43:54
is
43:55
important
43:55
to
43:55
know
43:56
you're
43:56
not
43:56
alone.
43:56
That
43:57
you
43:57
will,
43:57
you
43:58
can
43:58
and
43:58
will
43:59
succeed.
44:00
Right.
44:00
And
44:00
I
44:00
would
44:01
just
44:01
add
44:01
to
44:01
that.
44:02
If
44:02
this
44:03
is
44:03
something
44:03
that
44:04
you
44:04
decide
44:04
that
44:04
you're
44:05
passionate
44:05
about,
44:06
I
44:06
think
44:06
you
44:07
need
44:07
to
44:07
develop
44:07
a
44:08
little
44:08
bit
44:08
of
44:08
a
44:09
thicker
44:09
skin
44:10
because
44:10
I
44:11
think
44:11
it's
44:11
important
44:12
to
44:12
understand
44:13
that
44:13
what
44:14
you
44:14
might
44:14
think
44:14
is
44:14
perfect
44:16
might
44:16
be
44:16
better
44:17
if
44:17
it
44:17
was
44:17
tweaked
44:18
and
44:18
maybe
44:18
you
44:19
ask
44:19
some
44:19
opinions
44:20
or
44:20
maybe
44:21
you
44:21
show
44:21
friends
44:22
or
44:22
you
44:23
show
44:23
other
44:23
authors.
44:24
Again,
44:25
finding
44:25
a
44:26
community
44:26
I
44:27
think
44:27
is
44:27
really
44:27
helpful
44:28
because
44:29
extra
44:29
eyes
44:30
on
44:30
all
44:30
of
44:30
the
44:30
project
44:31
is
44:31
really,
44:32
we
44:32
have
44:32
found
44:32
to
44:32
be
44:33
very
44:33
helpful.
44:34
That's
44:34
great.
44:35
And
44:35
so
44:35
obviously
44:36
sharing
44:36
with
44:37
family
44:38
and
44:39
have
44:39
some
44:40
friends
44:40
made
44:40
their
44:40
way
44:41
into
44:41
the
44:41
book
44:41
too?
44:42
Yeah,
44:43
not
44:43
yet.
44:44
We
44:44
have
44:44
had
44:45
the
44:45
family
44:46
lines
44:46
have
44:47
gotten
44:47
further
44:48
from
44:49
immediate
44:49
but.
44:50
Right.
44:50
I
44:51
think,
44:51
who
44:51
knows,
44:52
maybe
44:52
by
44:52
book
44:53
three
44:53
or
44:53
four
44:54
we'll
44:54
have.
44:55
We.
44:55
We
44:56
have
44:56
had
44:56
a
44:56
few
44:56
pets
44:57
thrown
44:57
in
44:57
there,
44:58
so
44:58
we'll
44:59
see
44:59
where
44:59
we
44:59
go.
45:00
Oh,
45:00
good
45:00
for
45:00
you.
45:01
Good
45:01
for
45:01
you.
45:02
You
45:02
know
45:02
what,
45:02
I
45:03
really
45:03
want
45:03
to
45:03
thank
45:04
both
45:04
of
45:04
you
45:04
so
45:05
much
45:05
for
45:05
being
45:05
a
45:06
guest
45:06
and
45:07
the
45:07
generosity
45:08
of
45:08
your
45:08
time
45:09
and
45:09
your
45:09
insight.
45:10
This
45:10
is
45:11
so
45:11
important
45:11
that
45:12
people
45:13
have
45:14
these
45:14
insights.
45:15
They
45:15
realize
45:16
there's
45:16
no
45:16
right
45:17
or
45:17
wrong
45:17
way.
45:17
There's
45:18
no.
45:19
There's
45:19
no
45:19
set
45:20
formula.
45:21
How
45:21
we
45:21
all
45:21
come
45:22
about
45:22
it
45:22
is
45:23
all
45:23
different.
45:24
But
45:24
at
45:24
the
45:24
end
45:24
of
45:25
the
45:25
day,
45:26
you
45:26
folks
45:27
created
45:27
your
45:28
book.
45:28
We
45:28
created
45:29
our
45:29
book
45:29
and
45:30
we
45:30
came
45:30
at
45:31
it
45:31
a
45:31
little
45:31
different
45:31
than
45:32
you
45:32
came
45:32
at
45:32
it.
45:33
But
45:33
what
45:34
you
45:34
said,
45:34
Jonathan,
45:35
it
45:35
can
45:36
be
45:36
done
45:36
if
45:36
you
45:36
stick
45:37
to
45:37
it
45:37
for
45:38
sure.
45:38
And
45:39
your
45:39
story
45:40
is
45:40
wonderful,
45:41
your
45:41
books
45:42
are
45:42
adorable
45:42
and
45:42
we
45:43
really
45:43
thank
45:43
you
45:44
so
45:44
much
45:44
for,
45:45
for
45:45
including
45:46
us
45:46
and
45:46
for
45:46
talking
45:47
and
45:47
spending
45:48
the
45:48
time.
45:48
It's
45:48
been
45:49
a
45:49
pleasure.
45:49
Thank
45:49
you
45:50
both
45:50
to
45:50
the
45:50
audience.
45:51
We
45:51
promised
45:52
to
45:52
put
45:52
in
45:53
Lynn
45:53
and
45:53
Jonathan,
45:54
links
45:54
to
45:55
Robbie
45:55
the
45:55
Dyslexic
45:56
Taxi
45:57
and
45:57
the
45:57
Airport
45:58
Adventure
45:58
and
45:59
to
45:59
your
45:59
website,
46:00
the
46:00
Creative
46:01
Cab
46:02
Company.
46:02
Then
46:03
you
46:03
can
46:03
find
46:03
us
46:03
on
46:04
social
46:05
media.
46:05
Creative
46:06
Cab
46:06
Company.
46:06
And
46:07
if
46:07
you
46:07
have
46:08
questions
46:08
or
46:09
want
46:09
to
46:09
ask
46:09
or
46:09
talk
46:10
their
46:10
way,
46:11
find
46:11
us
46:11
DM
46:12
us.
46:12
Go
46:12
to
46:12
the
46:12
website.