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The Children And The CIA | Walter Bosley · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: The psychic and mental abilities go beyond the physical. So
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  Speaker 1: I do I I have begun to think that this
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  Speaker 1: gate training and exposure really is to to just prepare
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  Speaker 1: assets intelligence assets on that spooky level for their entire lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: I one agree with that. I think that that is
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  Speaker 2: exactly what it is. And the thing about it is
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  Speaker 2: is that they don't even really know. That's that's the
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  Speaker 2: whole point of the operation is to get people recruited
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  Speaker 2: in have them working for you, and they don't even
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  Speaker 2: know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, unwitting, You're you're you're unwitting. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: they can do, for example, is they can pour a
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  Speaker 1: language into your head and in a very very short order,
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  Speaker 1: make you fluent in a language, send you off operationally
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  Speaker 1: where you're using that language. You come back, they put
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  Speaker 1: you under and under hypnosis, they do the debriefing. You
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  Speaker 1: do that debriefing in the language, and then they bring
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  Speaker 1: you out a bit and you know, classic Manchurian candidate stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You don't remember that.
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  Speaker 3: And so what they decided that they needed to do
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  Speaker 3: is they needed to go find people who are psychic,
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  Speaker 3: people who have psychic capabilities of telepathic communication.
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  Speaker 1: And esp etc.
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  Speaker 3: And so they go and they try to recruit them.
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  Speaker 3: And what they found out is that they didn't dare
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  Speaker 3: recruit full adults because they would tell about it and
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  Speaker 3: they didn't want to sign a non disclosure agreement and
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  Speaker 3: then they go tell somebody. So what they did is
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  Speaker 3: they went after children.
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  Speaker 1: One three.
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  Speaker 3: This evening is titled The Children and the CIA. Tonight
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  Speaker 3: we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the gate program where I was pulled out
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  Speaker 1: of the room by a guy in a suit.
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  Speaker 2: I went in and did like the different like tones
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  Speaker 2: in the leftier tones in the right ear different, you know,
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  Speaker 2: raising your.
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  Speaker 1: Hand in these weird things they had kids do is
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  Speaker 1: the strange liquid that your pin rink, that pintrin that
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  Speaker 1: they're always shoting down.
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  Speaker 2: So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have
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  Speaker 2: to go back to nineteen fifty eight. It's a spot neck.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty eight marked the first time government became involved
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  Speaker 2: with public school. With this new policy came identifying gifted
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  Speaker 2: and talented children, who's.
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  Speaker 3: Gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving them
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  Speaker 3: different education.
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  Speaker 2: What that different education is cuts back to the draw interest.
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  Speaker 1: Yet you should be hearing my voice in your right
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  Speaker 1: ear until I heard those Gateway tapes and I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: this is very very similar.
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  Speaker 2: These gate programs are grooming with people to take roles
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  Speaker 2: in society.
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  Speaker 3: Entertainers, corporate owners, politicians.
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  Speaker 1: Discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed a gifted child
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  Speaker 1: who went to a literal children's school for the gifted.
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  Speaker 1: But they're looking at you long before that. They are
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  Speaker 1: looking at you from childhood.
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  Speaker 2: The Thuds have a record file on every single child
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  Speaker 2: from preschool to your career. Your Laxation program by Thomas H. Bodinski, PhD.
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  Speaker 1: Here they are? Could they and would they have just
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  Speaker 1: advanced to making psychics.
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  Speaker 2: By testing for esp abilities?
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  Speaker 1: You could go to Gary places with that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know anybody else that has the task? I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody else in the program. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they have a front for a front for a front.
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  Speaker 1: So what are they covering up?
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that this could have been?
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  Speaker 1: But absolutely, you're not crazy.
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  Speaker 2: The government really was doing psychic testing on children, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to prove it.
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  Speaker 1: You're finally starting out. I should be hearing my voice.
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  Speaker 1: You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing
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  Speaker 1: my voice. In your right ear them.
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  Speaker 2: Walter Bosley, welcome back to the show. It's good to
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  Speaker 2: see you. How are things.
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  Speaker 1: Going, great, writer, It's always good to be here. Just
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  Speaker 1: surviving this heat wave like everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that. It's pretty it's getting hot kind
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  Speaker 2: of everywhere at the moment. But oh yeah, all over
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  Speaker 2: approaching the end of August. There is probably gonna start
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  Speaker 2: cooling down anytime soon. So but yeah, we got the
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  Speaker 2: new movie out. It is available on Amazon Prime. You
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  Speaker 2: were a part of the movie. You were in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: and but that aside of you being in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: what were your initial impressions from watching it? What did
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  Speaker 2: you think about it?
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  Speaker 1: I really I liked it once again, you know, another
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  Speaker 1: good one. And I like how you at least from
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  Speaker 1: my perspective, it's kind of the first half you're talking
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  Speaker 1: to the r V people and you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: setting up and telling the story of that, and then
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  Speaker 1: that second half you know, getting you know, really into
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  Speaker 1: the Gate program. It's it's almost like it's you get
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  Speaker 1: two and one. Yet they you know, have their their
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  Speaker 1: direct connection, you know. So so I really like the
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  Speaker 1: speaking from a filmmaker structural perspective. But you know, you
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  Speaker 1: talked with the I mean, you really got access to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some good sources on that that you know,
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  Speaker 1: people that you know, you don't always see like some
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  Speaker 1: of one of the r vers. I don't think I've
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  Speaker 1: seen him on anything in years.
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  Speaker 4: And you know the fact that you were able to
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  Speaker 4: talk with those guys, you know, I think that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of the you know, it's the going to the source
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  Speaker 4: because there's so much.
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  Speaker 1: Popular hubbub about these programs, right and that there's there
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  Speaker 1: in mythology grows up around that. That what I like
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  Speaker 1: about it is that you present it, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: you usually do. You go to the source. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a good one and
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  Speaker 1: I think it in a way augments Clockwork Shining and
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  Speaker 1: you know some of the other ones you've done so
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  Speaker 1: very good.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely when it comes to the MK Ultra programs and
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  Speaker 2: you know what was going on there, because that's a
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  Speaker 2: very interesting aspect of this and the mk Ultra subprojects
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  Speaker 2: pertaining to you know, psychic and ESP research and you
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  Speaker 2: know the subproject I believe it was eighty three and
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  Speaker 2: then Subproject one thirty six was for psychic testing and
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  Speaker 2: ESP discovering that and like there was an entire project
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  Speaker 2: just for that. And then we show in the movie
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  Speaker 2: where Subproject one thirty six directly talks about psychic testing
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  Speaker 2: on children. So I'm like, oh, wow, this is a
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  Speaker 2: it is all really connected. But I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some people might be getting confused about, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: of the programs, because there's three different distinct programs that
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  Speaker 2: we really talk including mk ulture in there, which is
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  Speaker 2: the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit which ran from nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 2: eight up until nineteen ninety nine and that was shut down.
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  Speaker 1: Then we had the Monroe Institute.
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  Speaker 2: Gateway Project or Gateway Program or Gateway Experience right there,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a completely separate program, even though that is
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  Speaker 2: related in that Army personnel. Army Intelligence sent Army personnel
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  Speaker 2: to the Monroe Institute to study under Robert Monroe to
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  Speaker 2: find out if going outside of your body is somehow
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  Speaker 2: related to remote viewing or if it could be used
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  Speaker 2: to help somebody remote view. Then we have the gate
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  Speaker 2: Public School Gifted and Talented Education Program, which is no
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  Speaker 2: way connected to the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit other than
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  Speaker 2: it may have some things to do with psychic abilities
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  Speaker 2: and testing.
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  Speaker 1: And recruiting, you know, down the road. It's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this individual was as a kid, was in the Gate program,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what we have on them. Okay, now
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  Speaker 1: let's see if they're worth Let's see what they're doing
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  Speaker 1: now and see if they'll take to this remote viewing
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  Speaker 1: right based on what we know, what we collected on
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  Speaker 1: them from the gate breaking, which is essentially my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: from what my mentor my uncle told me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he he got me into what he got me into.
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  Speaker 1: And I first learned about r V from him in
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  Speaker 1: the mid eighties, but he had told me, of course
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  Speaker 1: I had been in the Gate program, So you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's from my perspective. It's potential recruitment, is how you
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  Speaker 1: to And I think.
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  Speaker 2: You even mentioned in the movie, or maybe I cut
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  Speaker 2: it out. I can't remember. I have to rewatch it again,
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  Speaker 2: but at least in our interview you talk about how
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  Speaker 2: the gay program might be relevant to identify people better
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  Speaker 2: for remote viewing. I had that clipped out of your interview,
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  Speaker 2: but I can't remember if I actually put it into
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  Speaker 2: the movie or not. But I do remember you saying
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  Speaker 2: that the gay program might have been used to identify
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  Speaker 2: people better to for remote viewing. Yeah, and I you know,
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  Speaker 2: but but those three programs, you know, someone can sit
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  Speaker 2: down and watch it and inevitably get confused and think
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  Speaker 2: that they're all a part of one big program. But
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  Speaker 2: they're not. They're all different programs, and they're all, you know,
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  Speaker 2: different units. And you know, the millions of kids I've
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  Speaker 2: been through the Gate program, I mean, since you were
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  Speaker 2: in it, that would that was the early sixties. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we show in the movie that MGM. Mintally Gifted Minors
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  Speaker 2: was a program that started, I believe in sixty one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was in it. I started kindergarten in
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven, first grade and sixty eight, so I recall
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  Speaker 1: going through it first grade through part of first Gate,
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  Speaker 1: first grade through fourth grade, and fourth grade for me,
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  Speaker 1: I no third grade. Sorry confusion because I'm thinking back
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  Speaker 1: all those years we're talking, you know, early seventies. By
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  Speaker 1: the summer of seventy three, we moved to West Virginia
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and apparently there was none
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  Speaker 1: of it back there. So it was all when I
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  Speaker 1: was in California, which is really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Was that school that you went to and that you
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  Speaker 2: were in the Gate program. Was it close to an
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  Speaker 2: air Force base, because we know that your dad worked
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  Speaker 2: at for the Air Force at that time. Was that
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  Speaker 2: on an air Force base?
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  Speaker 1: It was not on it. Well, my dad was out
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  Speaker 1: of the Air Force before I was born. March air
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  Speaker 1: Force Base. It was in Riverside. It was at Foothill
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  Speaker 1: Elementary and Riverside that's where I finished third grade and
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  Speaker 1: did all of fourth Foothill Elementary in specifically a little
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  Speaker 1: community called Arlington in Riverside, California, and March Air Force
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  Speaker 1: Base is there. But when I started elementary school at
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  Speaker 1: Casey Elementary in Roalto, that's essentially that's in the Sanmernadino
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  Speaker 1: Valley and what used to be Norton Air Force Base
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  Speaker 1: which is now Samernardino Airport, that was an air Force base.
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  Speaker 1: So both towns were Air Force towns. And when we
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  Speaker 1: moved to West Virginia for just a couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: there's no known you know, there was no military base
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  Speaker 1: in that area, but it was mineral Wells. That's the
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  Speaker 1: Woody Dernberger, Mothman, Indrid Cold the heart of all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, so if there was any MGM or GATE
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  Speaker 1: program monitoring going on. I don't recall being pulled out
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  Speaker 1: of the classroom during fifth and sixth grade while in
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia that time. So and then by junior high
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  Speaker 1: I had returned to we'd returned to California, up to
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  Speaker 1: U Kaipa, which is just right up the road from
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  Speaker 1: where I'm at now. Again essentially in the vicinity the
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  Speaker 1: air Force base was still open. It was open till
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  Speaker 1: the early nineties as an Air Force base. And then
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  Speaker 1: my mentor started working on me when I was towards
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  Speaker 1: the end of high school. So it's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: you could say, maybe I was passed off from gate
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  Speaker 1: to the mentor. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That's so odd because I basically speculated with Katie Page
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  Speaker 2: because I haven't been able to really I didn't like
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  Speaker 2: verify this or not, but I, you know, had the
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  Speaker 2: thought that a lot of these main gate schools are
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  Speaker 2: probably located next to air Force base or some military
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  Speaker 2: base in general, is in the vicinity of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these gay program schools.
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  Speaker 1: And there we have both elementary schools that I experienced
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  Speaker 1: this in Air Force baces right there. And you know
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  Speaker 1: what's even to add something more interesting even to it,
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  Speaker 1: Norton Air Force Base. I learned years later it of course,
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  Speaker 1: it was the home of the Audio Visual Command, and
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  Speaker 1: that is the base, and that is the building where
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  Speaker 1: they were at right here I live. You can get
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  Speaker 1: up on the roof of my house and look at
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  Speaker 1: the flight line and you know see what was the
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  Speaker 1: base now of the airport, but Norton Air Force Base
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  Speaker 1: right here that I'm talking about. That's where Linda Moulton
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  Speaker 1: Howe and I think both and Jock Valet both were
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  Speaker 1: invited to watch and maybe at different times or I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember if it was together and they saw the
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  Speaker 1: hollm And Air Force Base film. Apparently I'm trying to remember.
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  Speaker 1: You know what story she told, and that was right
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  Speaker 1: here at Norton. And I had learned years after that that,
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  Speaker 1: according to the Roswell lore, at one time the Roswell
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  Speaker 1: craft was held at Norton right here, which I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this was just I want to say, I learned this
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago, and I'm thinking, wow, all these years
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  Speaker 1: I've been into this stuff, all these years I've been
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  Speaker 1: around this base. I had never heard that before. And
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  Speaker 1: on top of that, if you remember the late Mark McCandlish,
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  Speaker 1: who did the famous schematic of the ARV, the Alien
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  Speaker 1: Reproduction view, I think it's called. His source told him
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  Speaker 1: that when the source saw the ARV. I believe his
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  Speaker 1: source told him it was at Norton when he saw it.
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  Speaker 1: So I had no idea that Norton Air Force Base,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'd learned about Avis, you know, and seeing
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  Speaker 1: the people seeing the Holloman film there allegedly, I didn't realize,
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  Speaker 1: you know, until ten years ago, that Norton has set
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  Speaker 1: such a connection to the UFO lore and UFO world.
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  Speaker 1: And when you think about Edward's Air Force Base is
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  Speaker 1: just by military jet literally five minutes up and down Norton,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a test base and it has all the
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  Speaker 1: classified stuff. Years later I had access to it. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me now when I you know, my
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  Speaker 1: awareness that the technology testing, you know, being up in
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  Speaker 1: the high desert, it makes sense that Norton would have
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  Speaker 1: some connection to that. So for what that's worth, there's
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  Speaker 1: spooky stuff that has gone on at Norton, that went
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  Speaker 1: on at Norton. I still call it that because being
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  Speaker 1: in a former Air Force insider, my view is what
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  Speaker 1: I know about that base. I still argue that there's
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  Speaker 1: there has to be a US Air Force presence still
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  Speaker 1: there somehow, because it is a site that Air Force
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  Speaker 1: One can land at right here in view of my house. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: if weather is screwed up. We live in a weird
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  Speaker 1: pocket here in San Bernardino Valley. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: benefits of Norton Air Force Base if all the other
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  Speaker 1: air bases and airports are socked in because of you know,
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  Speaker 1: oddly enough from California weather, we don't get the weather here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I live here and I've watched rain hit
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  Speaker 1: Redlands to the south and off to the east, into
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  Speaker 1: the mountains here to the north, and into the west
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  Speaker 1: farther west in the valley, and we right here it's
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  Speaker 1: called East Highland. We're not getting the weather. And that's
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  Speaker 1: where Norton is. So it's this weird clear weather pocket
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  Speaker 1: that can be relied upon. So if Air Force one
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  Speaker 1: has this on its list as an emergency landing spot,
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  Speaker 1: my money is that there's always some Air Force presence
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  Speaker 1: representation here at San Bernardino International Airport and it could
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  Speaker 1: be reactivated to a military base just on command if
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  Speaker 1: need be. So you know, there's that, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to be a fancy spooky base for the spooky
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  Speaker 1: stuff to have a presence. So what you're saying is,
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  Speaker 1: you know what Katie said, funny thing, there's an Air
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  Speaker 1: Force base nearby. Okay, it could be complete logistics and
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  Speaker 1: supply right, and yet there can still be space afforded
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  Speaker 1: for the spooky stuff. So yes, I agree that that's significant.
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  Speaker 2: Well, another really interesting part about this, Oh sorry, didn't
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  Speaker 2: mean to cut you off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, I was just finishing a trailing off there.
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  Speaker 2: Within the movie we talked about this a gentleman named
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  Speaker 2: Thomas H. Bodinski, and this is connected to some spooky
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  Speaker 2: things out of Area fifty one where he worked at
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  Speaker 2: Area fifty one, he was a navigational engineer for the
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  Speaker 2: SR seventy one Blackbird. Yeah, and then he goes to
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  Speaker 2: Colorado and starts this io feedback institute called the Twilight
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  Speaker 2: Learner Program, which is really really strange and interesting. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like that a lot of people have like a
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  Speaker 2: fascination with space and then they get involved in like psychology.
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  Speaker 2: But this Twilight Learner program essentially is like a self
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  Speaker 2: hypnosis program. You're you're like learning to self hypnotize yourself.
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  Speaker 2: And according to what Katie Page talked about that those
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  Speaker 2: Twilight Learner which we listened to in the movie. She
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  Speaker 2: has the original tape. She's probably one of the only
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  Speaker 2: people that still has access to these tapes. They're not online.
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  Speaker 2: They're very rare that you could even find these, and
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  Speaker 2: she has them. She said when she would remember listening
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  Speaker 2: to them and going into the to the Sae Badinsky's office,
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  Speaker 2: sitting down listening to them, and then she would get
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  Speaker 2: outside of her body, it was like giving her an
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  Speaker 2: out of body experience. And then how she even remembered
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  Speaker 2: that because she kind of forgot about it, just like
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  Speaker 2: how a lot of people forget exactly what they went
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  Speaker 2: through in the gate program. She remembered it by being
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  Speaker 2: recommended to listen to the Monroe as the two Gateway tapes,
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  Speaker 2: and she remembered it because it gave her the exact
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  Speaker 2: same feeling listening to the Gateway tapes as it did
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  Speaker 2: when she was a kid listening to the Twilight Learner tapes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of unlocked that memory rights. It's like
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  Speaker 1: you walk into a you can walk into a candy store,
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  Speaker 1: you know where they make candorse, and you know you
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  Speaker 1: you smell a particular thing and you remember something from childhood,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: or or another trigger is when you run into a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: book that you had in childhood that you haven't seen
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in decades, and there it is, and just seeing the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: things on the page, whether it's a picture book or not,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and you know, it comes back to you. Absolutely an
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: audio trigger I could see doing that, you know. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the nice thing is is it it brings it up
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: from where it's kind of sunk down, settled down in
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: your memory. It brings it up fresh again so that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: more details emerge. It's in a way, it's an interesting
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: form of mental or psychic time travel in you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: just going through your own mind because of the other
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: things that can come up. And and you know what,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think they probably take advantage of what she's talking
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: about and what we're talking about right here. You know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: someone said, hey, you should listen to this, and she
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: listened to that. And what I mean by taking advantage
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of is that specific phenomenon of what audio trigger does.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that they're aware of that, and they probably
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: very much took advantage of that. And and here's an
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: interesting thing, we don't know that that wasn't part of
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: why they part of not the sole reason, but part
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of why they put kids through this so that when
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: they're adults, there could be there could be a command
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: embedded in our minds in childhood that now, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: my phone could ring, I pick up the phone, you know, hello,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and somebody says a word or a phrase mentoring candidate style,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and boom, it unlocks something. So, you know, we don't know.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's very interesting.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And I think that there is this weird connection between
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: possible UFOs and this phenomenon. And I've been saying on
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: people's shows that we're getting ready to get like people
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: talking about how that it's a possibility that some of
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: these Gate programmed kids have been used to like literally
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: control telepathically connect to the UFO in the in the UAP.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And that might sound out of this world and crazy,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: but it's it's in documentation, like real declassified UFO government
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: documents that psychics have been in telepathic communication and control
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of UFOs and UAP. So I believe that the next
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: thing is going to be something to do with these
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Gate kids. And I'm trying to pull up this Danny sheh,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what you think about Danny.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: You you went through it yourself, right, weren't you didn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you go through a gate school or not.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I went to a private school, but
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I did. I had some weird instants with you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: like with the flash cards and stuff, because when I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: was a kid, I would see a lot of strange
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: things going on around me, like I was seen in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: two kind of a different seeing things that I wasn't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: supposed to see. And I had told my parents about it,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and they thought something was wrong with my eyes, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: they sent me to the doctor. And the doctor gave
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: me this flash card that was like no bigger than
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like this notepad right here, and I had like circles
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: like bulls eyes with circles within circles. And then he
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: was like, can you make the circles become three D
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and pop up off of the actual flash card? And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, I can't, And then he was
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: like and he gave me the flashcard and he was like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: come back whenever you can and talk to me. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: eventually I could make the circles cop off of the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: flash card and I worked on it all the time.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they didn't, I was just coming. I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: think we talked about that in the past and I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: was gonna have a comment, but I'm sorry I talked
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: over you. Finish what you were What was it? I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: remember we talked about that and I told you that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it was you know in No, I wasn't a kid,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: but it was in the the nineties, late nineties or whatever.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I was looking at a CD case and I noticed
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that if the letters were read, they would pop off
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the background three dimensionally to my eye, and I was like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that's that's every time I looked. I didn't mean to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: step over you when you were talking with throwing that in.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I think that there are moments I don't know that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: where we necessarily would always be aware that there's that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: whether we're being utilized as kind of an antenna. But
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think of those times where you know, you're kind
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of sitting there and you you go into that that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: zone where you're just kind of you're aware, but you're
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it. It's just it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know how to describe it.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But now what I'm trying to explain is is that
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: one of those moments where you're being accessed, your your
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: psychicness is being access and used maybe as some type
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: of communications booster, right for somebody who might be communicating elsewhere,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and you know that can that can be part of it,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and that could explain moments like some people when they
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: have When I think of blackouts, when somebody says a blackout,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I think of your literally your eyes closed, you're unconscious.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But you know the kind of blackouts where you're driving
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a say that's the most popular one. Somebody's on a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: drive and they kind of the next thing and know
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: they're at their destination and they don't remember all the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: details of the drive they were just on. We've all
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: experienced that to some degree. It's it's kind of a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: similar thing to that. Are those moments where they're they're
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: just using us as boosters for the signal, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: for a psychic who is consciously communicating with someone on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the other side of the world or someone off world.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know that's possible.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I think, well, that's sort of exactly like what the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: show or the book by Stephen King called The Institute
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: is about, as like, we have all these kids and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: then they essentially lock all of their abilities together and
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: boost up one individual, and then that individual is literally
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: able to enter into somebody else's mind psychically and then
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: control them.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Mhm yeah, which is a very real thing.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Like maybe not to the point of I'm sure that
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: they've done it since this, but there are were exercises
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: called Beacon exercises that s Ri I and some of
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the government would do where you could literally remote view
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: somebody and see through their eyes like you weren't able
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to control them. I'm sure that's something that is going
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to it's possible to do now because I think that
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: anything you can pretty much do anything psychically, there's no
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: limit to it. And that was one of the things
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: within the documents is that it's the limitations are perceived
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to be endless with psychic abilities, but that is a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: very real thing that can be done, is that you
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: can essentially remote view and see through somebody else's eyes.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why not
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: within the context of all these things. You know, we're
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: talking about what comes to my mind with when we
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: talk about people that were in this, and you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you try to identify, okay, who who would be you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: who are the people out there that they're using or
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that you know can do this or whatever. And we
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: often think, or I think it's an assumption that, for instance,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I quit being pulled out of class after fourth grade. Okay,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So we often talk about this program as in, oh,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, that was it. You know, maybe they
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: weren't interested, or maybe it ended or something. We assume
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that it's the importance, is the most effective importance is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: when you're in childhood. And I argue that, no, that's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: just when they're they're they're measuring your abilities, they're seeing
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: where you are on the psychic spectrum. That's when they're embedding.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: That's when they're you know, setting you up to be
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: this thing and you're actually useful to them for the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: rest of your life. It's during this childhood time in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the school is where you're being assessed and then you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: what's the word configured, you know, to be useful to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: them and and actually your usefulness, your operational usefulness, could
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: be for the rest of your you know, adult life.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And it's possible that you could not be overtly aware
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of it, which is what we're talking about here, is
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: not being overtly aware of it. It's to me, from
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: my perspective from the intelligence world and the operational aspect
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: of the intelligence world. That's how I that's one of
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the ways I see it because in the intelligence world
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I worked with many more older people when I was
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: in a more spooky kind of job in the intelligence
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: world than I did when I was a federal agent.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: You know, when you're people assumed that okay, after a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: certain age, you know you've aged out and you're not useful. No, no, no.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: In the intelligence world, some of the best people on
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a team that I was on encounter terrorism were in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: their seventies. The most effective. We had a lady who
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: was I think around seventy, and we did primarily surveillance
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was a primary part of what we did, and she
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was amazing because she was invisible to the target because
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: one of the things is nobody pays attention to an
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: old woman. And they are fantastic surveillance ops. They can
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: get closer to the target and as long as they're
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: doing their cover for action properly. And so these kind
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: of psychic abilities, even though things like Alzheimer's can sit
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in with some people, even though there's certain cognitive things
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that break down, people don't realize that the value the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: psychic value operationally in a human being is much a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: much longer spectrum than the physical value. Like when you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: as a federal agent in the United States, they pretty
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: much you're fifty seven is the general retirement age. You know, yes,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: you're going to find exceptions, but fifty seven because it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a physically demanding job. Right you have to run or
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you have to handle the stress of being a weapons carrier.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And if you get into situations like that, that's very stressful,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: if you have to have an altercation with somebody, so
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you know, by the time you're sixty it's time to
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: maybe back off of that. That's not to say that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I've worked with people in their sixties and early seventies
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that could have beat my ass at forty two physically,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you know, but the psychic and mental abilities go beyond
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the physical. So I do. I have begun to think
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that this gate training and exposure really is to just
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: prepare assets intelligence assets on that spooky level for their
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: entire lifetime.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I one agree with that. I think that that is
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: exactly what it is. And the thing about it is
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: is that they don't even really know that's that's the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: whole point of the operation is to get people recruited
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: in have them working for you, and they don't even
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: know exactly.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You don't even know it. Yeah, you're you're unwitting, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: just because I overtly consciously left working for Uncle Sam
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago. This past January, I've run into people
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: like in my book research that I swear, you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to some degree, I either knew it or suspected that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: they were connected to the intelligence community. And I have
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: no way of knowing that I haven't been used unconsciously,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you know. In One of the things they can do,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: for example, is they can pour. Essentially, this is the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: way it has described me. They can they can kind
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of poor I put quotes around that po you are
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a language into your head and in a very very
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: short order, make you fluent in a language. Send you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: off operationally where you're using that language. You come back,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: they put you under and under hypnosis, they do the debriefing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: You do that debriefing in the language, and then they
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: bring you out of it. And you know, classic Manchurian
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: candidate stuff. You don't remember that, you don't remember it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And I worked in an operational world where a team
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: would go out and many times, many times I went
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: on missions where we weren't all staying at the same hotel.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: That's just good operational sense to be at different locations.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And several times I would be the only team member
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: at my hotel, and just like the other team members,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the only team you don't really know what the other
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: team members are doing during the down hours. I've spent
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: thirty days in a place on a mission and only
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: saw the other team members maybe a few hours a week,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the time I was alone, they
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: were alone. You know, you don't know what other side tasks.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And then when you think about what we're talking about here,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you don't know what other side tasks maybe you've done
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: yourself or been been part of when you're doing physical
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: surveillance missions like that. For instance, I was working in
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: an Eastern European country once and I had to my
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: partner had to drop me off middle of the night.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It's around midnight and it was snowy and everything, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I had to. I was just simply told, oh, go
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: see if the targets cars and his driveway. Okay, simple enough,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and that's a legitimate tasking. So you go up and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you you know, you go see that, and if particularly
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: if they instruct you hang around and keep an eye
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: on it for a while, right for an hour or
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a half hour. Well, you don't know that you're not
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a target for a remote viewer back in the state.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: In other words, somebody at NSA Fort Mead or whatever
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: is sitting there, the remote viewer a Joe mcmonagall or whoever,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: is sitting there, and they're they're started, and you're the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: intenna for them, and they're actually psychically inside that target's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: house looking around, and you know, you're just kind of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: standing there, watching the outside and making sure you're not
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: jacked up because you're in a foreign country under a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: different identity and that's illegal there, and you know, maybe
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you're not that great with the language, and it's going
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to be obvious, and you know, so all the stuff
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that comes up being undercover in a foreign country, you
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: don't know that. And I've been in several situations where
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I or anyone on the team could have been access
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: antennas for booster antennas for our veers back home. Now
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: let's add the Gate layer onto that. Okay, there, I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: am somebody who's been through the Gate program who was
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: recruited into that job with the greatly the opening the
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: doors of a mentor maybe I and others were put
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: on these teams because we had been through the Gate program,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: because we did have these abilities, because certain things had
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: been already pre loaded right into our psyches, and so
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: therefore that made us better antenna, stronger antenna. You know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: it's it's very possible, And that would explain because I've
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: been on missions. I went on missions too, where you're like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: why are we why are we here? We're We're not
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: really I went to a South American country a few
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: times on the job, and there was a there was
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: one trip literally where I was there for thirty days
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and I was spending ninety five percent of my time,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: all of us, ninety five percent of our time just
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: living our covers because one day a week for two
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: hours we were operational and the rest of the time
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: on your own time, living your cover, making sure you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: know that you're living your cover and doing all that stuff.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And you think, wait a minute, couldn't they just fly
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: different ones of us down for you know, three days,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: get there the day before, do the operation fly out
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the next day? You know, why are they having us?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: You know? But if we're serving as some type of
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: one of these antennas. We could be doing more collecting
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: than we realized, collecting intelligence without even realizing we're doing
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it because we're told go there, and you don't know
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: exactly why. I think gate kids might be very useful
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in a scenario like that, you know, for what that's worth.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Who I never even thought about that. That's really a
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: genius on the side of the intelligence community, right, May
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: you make.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: We know that if if they can do it, they.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Will, Yes, yes, you would want them to think that
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: they're doing something else when they're actually serving out a
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: completely different agenda. I mean, it makes sense. Can't really
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: prove it, but it woul definitely makes sense on definitely
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: a possibility, one hundred percent for sure, a possibility that
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I had never thought of before, which is really interesting.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I do want to play a little bit of this
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Danny PM, because I've been saying since the movie came
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: out that something like this was going to actually happened,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: and someone was going to come forward with this information,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and it turned out that it kind of has. Now.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Regardless of what anybody thinks that Danny Sheeham, they can
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: think that he's a grifter or whatever, he makes up things,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: but he's one of the most prominent you voices in
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: ufology today. He does all the different conferences and stuff
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: like that, and I, you know, it is what it
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: is at this point with the UFO community. It's just
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it's a thing that's just being strung along and all
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: that nonsense. But I think that it's important to listen
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to what he says. You're in this conference that he
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: was doing.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: And so what they've done is they've lost a number
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: of multi million dollars trained at uf US fighter pilots
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: in trying to get them to fly these things, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: they've killed them. And then they just keep going back
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: trying to do it again and experiment with him and
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: kill more of them, and it's all being covered up.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: And so what they decided that they needed to do
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: is they needed to go find people who are psychic,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: people who have psychic capabilities of telepathic communication and esp
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And so they go and they try to
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: recruit them. And what they found out is that they
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: didn't dare recruit full adults because they would tell about
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: it and they didn't want to sign a non disclosure agreement.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And then they go tell somebody. So what they did
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: is they went after children.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Who That's pretty important thing that he just said right there.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very important, right there. Okay, listen to a
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: little bit more.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: They set up a program on the military basis where
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: they have military schools for the children of the military
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: people and the workers, and they started giving them tests
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: called the GATE Program, the Gifted and Talented.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Children oo shiver central.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Whenever I heard this, oh man, I got the chills
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: because I was like, holy shit, because I'd been saying
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: that someone was gonna come out and start talking.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: About this, yep.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And then but then it happens, and I'm like, oh
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: my god, I cannot believe this.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Who unbelievable.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, unbelievable, but believable. Right when you think
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: about it, you're like, oh, well, it's it's surprising, but
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: not you know, if they if they've got him there, yeah,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I wonder. You know, I've never heard anybody. I haven't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: maybe you have, But in the discussion of Gate programs,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: all I've ever heard is the discussion of the public schools.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I've never really heard the discussion about people who kids
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: who were military dependents actually going to the base schools
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: because my dad was out was off active duty before
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I was born. Had he still been on I would
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: have grown up going to one of those based schools.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: But that's uh, you know, that's that's interesting now that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I think about it. My son, he went to preschool
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: on base, but we had him in the public school
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: when you know, he started actually started school when I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: was active duty. He went he went to public schools
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: because we only lived in base housing at LA, which
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: is Fort MacArthur in San Pedro for Air Force. So
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different situation. You don't
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: have the working base with the residential area which most
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: bases are. And of course your schools, your military schools
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: are right there because it's all contained, right, so, you know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and I don't know are they is there is there
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: a reason to think that there's still any kind of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: program like this going on.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Well, from my understanding and my knowledge, I mean, this
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: is really the first time I've been hearing about the children.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I've just been saying that it's that is going to
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: come out, but from actually hearing someone talk about it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that may have some kind of first hand or second
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: hand knowledge that they're training kids to be able to
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: telepathically connect with UFOs and UAPs. But as far as
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the actual Gate program public school stuff, yes, it's very real.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It is still going on and it is still happening
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to this very day. I mean, Charlie Kirk was literally
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: in an entire program just it was an entire gifted school.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even a you know, an extracurricular class that
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: he was taking. It was called the Quest Academy and
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: still in operation today in Palatine, Illinois, and you can
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: get on Quest Economy's website and it's a literal gifted
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and talented education school. It's not even extracurricular class or
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: you know, people's parents coming to you know, teachers going
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to the kid's parents and be like, your kid needs
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to be part of this class. No, this is just
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: a complete gifted school. And there's tons of them all
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: over the United States.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I think at Palatine, Illinois, I wonder how close that
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: is to Scott Air Force Base that used to be
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: in my aor I was at Wright Patterson, but I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: had an almost ten state area of responsibility in the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: specialty that I did, and so I had to go
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: over to Scott. I had to go to Whiteman and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: stuff on occasion make the rounds. So that's interesting that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: he went to a school in Illinois. I'm curious if
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it indeed was close to Scott Air Force Bace was
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: his father military.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: That I am not too sure about. Not a lot
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: is really known about. To see, a lot of people
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: have been trying to focus on, you know, Erica Kirk
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and that whole thing. Yeah, dificult to find out stuff
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: about her background, it really is.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It's really hard.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: But with Charlie, I'm sure that some people would definitely No,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I could probably try and look it up really quickly.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They were too focused on wanting to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: build statues of him rather than looking at his background
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: closely to peace you know what was useful substantial information together,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you know, because find out he went to one of
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: those schools.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, and his mother they essentially wanted to drug him
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: whenever he was really young, and his mother refused and
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: then they put him into a h Then that's whenever
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: they took him to this Gate Program school.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to do that to my son. He
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: had a teacher I think it was second grade or whatever,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and it was just awful and his mom and I
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: at that point didn't agree on much, but we had
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a united front. Hell no, you're not putting our kid
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: on Riddlin or whatever it is. And it turned out
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that she, this particular teacher had a reputation for not
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: liking to deal with boys students, male students, and she
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: was like willy nilly with the this boy needs to
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: be on drugs. This boy, you know, And it turned
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: out to you know, it's not our kid, because he
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: never had another problem with another teacher, you know, after that.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But it was interesting. They wanted to you know, that's
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: one of the first things that they want to do
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: is get that get those drugs into the the kids,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: particularly the boys. So parents need to resist that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: So Charlie KIRK'SDD Robert W. Kirk. There's not any evidence
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: that he was involved in the military, but that he
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: was an architect, and some sources are identifying him as
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: having worked in architecture, including involvement with Trump Tower in
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: New York, which that's really interesting there Charlie. But it
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: says that Charlie himself wanted to join the military whenever
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: he was a teenager and sought a mission to West
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Point and later supposedly described joining the army as his
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: number one dream but was not admitted, and he was
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: supposed to be because he was supposed to be running
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a multi million dollar nonprofit organization and influencing millions of people.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And yea, what was there a reason why he was
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: rejected West Point to the Army?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Out of the dig deeper into it, it's just one
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: of those Wikipedia pages. Yeah, that's really interesting that, you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: because it kind of seems like that that kind of
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you know, follows the but if you're in the gay program,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: and definitely if you went to one of these just
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: straight gate schools that are just nothing but gifted and
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: talented individuals. I mean on the website, the Quest Economy
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: website literally says if like you know, basically to the
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: effect is, if you know, if you get through the school,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: then you're essentially going to be set up for life.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of what the website describes, like
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: it's for inside of the classroom and outside of the classroom, right, so,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and it's a preschool through sixth grade. So it's basically
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: if you if you make it through this schooling program,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: then you're going to be set up for the rest
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: of your life because you're going to have people around
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: you essentially making these opportunities for you.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had my The way my career
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: worked through most of it was Yeah, there was my mentor,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: my uncle was there, you know when I reported for
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: duty to my first government job. Oh, before I forget,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about you know, the thing about Charlie Kirk
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: is nothing overt jumped out about his dad other than
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: architecture implies an engineering type of mind. But his mom
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe the you know, there was some type of
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: intel or military connection to his mom's family. But when
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I reported for duty to the FBI, I was starting
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: getting my I started my career. I was instructed to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: do this by my mentor. He said, take anything they
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: offer you. You won't be in the low level job
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: for long. So I accepted a GS three mail clerk
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: position that I ended up only being in for forty
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: five days, and I was promoted to the next job
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: that I was in for six months and then started
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: in intelligence. But the day thirteen March nineteen eighty eight,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm at the LA Federal Building, eleven thousand Woolshre and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I in about a ten or eleven other new if
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: BED employees are standing there waiting to go into the
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: office there, and I and this other, this young lady,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: we're pulled out of line and taken to separate side rooms.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm in this room. There's nothing in there but
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: three chairs, the one I'm in and two facing me.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm in there for about five minutes or so,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and my thought is, Okay, who in my background is
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: the criminal that I wasn't aware of? And now they're
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: going to talk to me. So two people come in,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: two agents, a man or a woman, come in. They
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: introduce themselves and they're in the counter intelligence division. Now
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: remember I'm reporting for duty, first day, wet behind the
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: ears FBI, going to be a mail clerk. And they say,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: you're uniquely qualified to be on this special team. It's
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: in counterintelligence. Here or fill out this fourteen page in
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: house ksa knowledge skills assessment, bring it back as soon
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: as boss. Okay, So I filled that out. I mean,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I've never met these people. I didn't
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: talk to these people. How the hell do they know?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Gee, maybe it's my uncle and you know, sure enough.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I forty five days later, I made an evidence technician.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: And then six months after that, I get a call.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I'm in the San Jose division. I get a call
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and it's the supervisory agent on the special team in
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: San Francisco and he says, I'm told, I'm supposed to
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: interview you be up here tomorrow to the main office.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: So I go and he's the supervisor of the squad
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and it goes, we're sending it a spy training essentially,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: want to cooch And that's you know, that was how
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: my spook career got started. And the thing is, if
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you were in the FBI at that time, the team
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I was brought into that I was told they wanted
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: me for from the day I walked in day one
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and then ended up on six months later. There were
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: people that had worked for the Bureau for a few
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: years that couldn't get that job in their boom. I'm
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: a new guy, and I get it. That's one of
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the things, Like you know, clearly my mentor and whatever
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: he was actually tailoring me for. That's yeah, that's door opening.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: That's how that works. And it happened at other times too,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: things like that. But anyway, for what for what that's worth, did.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: You feel looked after when that was happening, like did
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you know what that that was happening? As it was happening,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: like these yeah looking for me because of my uncle
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: and the people that are around me.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, based on even some things he would tell me,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: you know, when he would tell me to learn, like
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: he would instruct me the necromancy. When he trained me
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: in a method of necromancy, he flat out said, there
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: are people expecting you to know how to do this,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And I said who, And you don't need to know
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: that yet. And my entire career until after he had
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: had his career ending stroke because he was in his
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: early seventies, mid seventies May that time, he had had
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: a career ending stroke. Essentially he's forced to retire. This
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: was around two thousand and after that, I felt naked
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: out in the cold. But up until then, whether it
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: was FBI, Air Force or the next guys I went
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: to work for, I was always backstopped. I felt sheltered.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, I'm part of it. And he
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: told me I was part of the group. Now. He
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: did tell me when I was getting out of the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Air Force and going to work for the next organization.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: He had told me for years that I had a
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: he said, I'm your mentor. He goes, you have a sponsor,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: and it was a US congressman, and he didn't he
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: didn't tell me it would it was a congressman for years.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Only in ninety nine did he identify who that congressman was.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, my response was seriously he's he goes, yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: and he says, he said you in about a half
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a dozen others, I said, that guy knows I exist.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, his joke was, yeah, he's not always
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: happy about it. But because when you when you step
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: on your own genitals, as they say, but you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: all joking aside, I was, oh, so yeah, I was
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: through most of my career until after he was forced out.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Because what it was is I might have told you this,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I don't recall, but no matter who I was working for,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I was reporting to him all those years. When I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: went to work for the FBI, I would get and
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: this is before cell phones. I would go to a
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: pay phone and call him the same you know, once
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: a week and tell him, you know, what was going
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: on from my perspective, because he already knew what was
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: going on in his eyes. And then he would tell
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: me things, Okay, do this, don't do that, Avoid this person,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: avoid that person. I was reporting to him, And the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: whole time I was in the Air Force and as
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: an agent, I would go to a pay phone and
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: call him and say you know, and he would know.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Like one time when I got to La Air Force Base,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: he said, hey, you were over at the b X
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: the other day. He's in Alabama. Remember I'm in California,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And I'd say yeah. He goes, you met a gentleman there,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and he would describe him physically and everything, and he
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: would give his name and I'd be I'd still I've
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: known him all these years, and I'd still be blown away.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, And he goes, if ever you need me,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: if something happens and you need me in an emergency
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: and you can't get me, he says, you go to him.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: He and I knew each other in Army and in Airborne,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and you can go to him if you can't get
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to me. And so he had. There were people always
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: around me that were part of this thing, this spook
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: world thing he was in that I could go to.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: And it was like wherever I was assigned, there was
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: some associate of his that was you know, I knew
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: was you know, watching out for me, and you know
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: it over the years the kind of things he had
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: me do would be revealing good of that. But remember
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the things, the spookiest things he taught me. I think
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: because of stuff he said, Remember he told me they
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: were He goes, you've been watched since childhood, right, that
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: includes right the gay program, and so you know, I'm thinking, well,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's whatever they measured about me when I was
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: a kid in the gay program had to be connected
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: somehow to him continuing then to recruit me into the
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: career I was. And then when you layer on there
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the psychic things he was teaching me, teaching me, you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: how to communicate across vast distances like I talked about
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: in the film, right, and the necromancy, you know, in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the other occultish kind of psychic things. Well, I'm thinking
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that again, what led to that was whatever they measured
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: my abilities or potentials, potentialities in the Gate program. So
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, in my case, I think it
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: was just the initial measuring ground and maybe a little
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: bit of a training ground, but mostly measuring ground, maybe
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: embedding some things in there for whatever usefulness I would
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: have as an adult. And again, as we said before,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: just because you leave the official employment doesn't mean they're
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: not they're not using you for all. I know, take
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: my books, my Big Empire Wheel investigation, right, the mystery
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: from nineteen fifteen. I don't know that there I am,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the biggest mystery I've investigated in my life.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I have no way of knowing for
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: sure that that there wasn't somebody in the intelligence community
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: getting me physically in places for their own purposes. And
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: there I am consciously investigating one thing, but they're having
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: their moving me into a place that they can use
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: me as an antenna to look at maybe something else entirely.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Remember what Lim Buchanan said that when he was asked
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: in your film, when you asked him in the film
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: can people be controlled? And he he said he didn't
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: like it, and he you know, but yes, remember that,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: you remember that it's your film. But that's significant. So
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I have no way of knowing for sure that you know,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I wasn't used that way in the stuff I've been
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: doing the last twenty years, and they could still be
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: doing that. You don't know for sure when and if
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it ends. You don't.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Have you revealed publicly who that, who the sponsor was,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: who the congressman was.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe I should give you a scoop. I haven't,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: but it's been so many years, and my mentor's been
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: gone for several years, and I'm at an age and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a point in my life where you know, screw it,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: why not. This will be the first time. But I'll
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: tell you this will be the first time publicly I've
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: said it. But I was told that my sponsor was
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Senator Sam Nunn when I started my career my uncle.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: The first thing he had me do for doing an application,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: actually was he told me to send a letter to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Senator Barry Goldwater. It was still in I think the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: last year or so of office, so it started as
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: a letter to Barry Goldwater. He told me to word
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to put certain phrases in there, and I recall getting
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: something back and he says, what you're looking for is
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: your interest is appreciated, and that was in there. And
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: then the next thing he had me do I have
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: told you about this was he had me come back
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: and visit him in December of eighty sixth and I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: went into the I went to the back door of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: a NASA building at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: and turned in a standard government application. This is before
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: This was a year before I applied to the bureau.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: He had me go to the back door suit and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: tie knock on a particular back door, and the guy
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: came out and said, Walter, yeah, she got something for me,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and I handed in the envelope. He said, go enjoy
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the museum. I never worked for NASA. I never worked
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: for as far as I knew, for the Army or anything.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: But that was I started with Barry Goldwater, who, by
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the way, we know has had a historical interest in
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: connection to the UFO mystery. Right, and then there I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: was told to apply at a NASA back door of
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a NASA building, of the backside of a NASA building,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so it was. It's kind of mysterious. I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: forgot why. I mentioned that.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Redstone Arsenal was where Winner von Braun and a lot
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: of the Project Paper Club Nazis went and set up
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: NASA and the rocket development out of right.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've told that story before I started. I've
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: been talking about that for at least ten years or so.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: And it's been recently that people interested in the UFO
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: mystery have really it's clicked with them about Redstone Arsenal.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: So when that story comes up, they go, what wait,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: really that was your first Hapathy. Yeah, and it was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: as mysterious to me then, you know, as it is now. Well,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: it's less mysterious now based on you know, all these
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: crazy things we know, right, But oh, I was telling
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: you about you know, the people. Yeah. So my first
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: letter was to Barry Goldwater. Then my first app was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Tanasa and then my mentor's mentor, his own mentor, like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: what he was, what my mentor was to me. The
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: man that was that to him was Angleton, James Jesus Angleton,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: the CIA that was his personal mentor. He had been
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: drafted in the army and eighteen fifty, my uncle. He
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: got into airborne and was brought into Special Ops, special
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Force and Special Ops, and he did a he was
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: parachuted in behind the Iron Curtain, as we say, and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: he did this mission, followed the instructions, got back into
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: the West, got back into Western Germany and I think
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: West Germany. And when he got back to the States,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: he was told to put on a service dress. He did.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: He was picked up by a car from Fort Belvoir
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: and he was taken to Virginia, the estate of Angleton,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and that's where he met Angleton was in Engleton's you
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: know then office den at his home, and that was
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: the man that was his mentor for many years until
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you know, Angleton died. Of course, he didn't tell me.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: He told me that also he identified the mentor in
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: the same conversation he told me about Sam Nunn, all
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: he ever talked about all the years when he talked
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: about his own mentor. He said, the old man, the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: old man, the old man, and he says, you know
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you're you're going to a next level in your career
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: where you know, basically there's He felt there were some
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: things he could tell me a little bit more, and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Angleton being his mentor, and Sam Nunn apparently being my
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: sponsor into what he never revealed. But I've said this
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: for years, I've suspected it. When I learned about the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: so called mysterious Collins Elite. It really resonates and matches
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: things my uncle was telling me for years about his
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: career and what he was tailoring me for and so
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: for again, for what that's worth. I think maybe that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: was in the background, but definitely what he did tell
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: me was it's this. It was this special group he had.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: He said, I've got four of you because you're one
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: of four that I'm mentoring, and you're from different organizations,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: different backgrounds, different talents and abilities. And he never did
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: reveal exactly what it was. I was just being tailored for,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: but he said all along, it started with this monitoring
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: in childhood and this stuff at school.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we have a lot of stuff going on here.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: We got the Redstone Arsenal, James Jesus Angleton, what she
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: brings in a whole other aspect here, and then we
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: have sam Non Before we get into a little bit
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: more detail about them, what happened to your application that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: you gave to NASA rest in Arsenal. Did they ever
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: contact you back?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Nope. I never overtly heard from NASA. And it was
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: a standard it was the the SF eighty or whatever.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: That just a standard form for whether you're going to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: empty trash cans or whatever. You know, it's just a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: standard form. And yeah, it was. It was all it
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: was kind of cloak and daggerish in a way, in
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: a casual way, and I know I And then eleven
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: months later, because that was December of eighty six, in
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: November of eighty seven, I was instructed go into your
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: nearest FBI office. There's a satellite office. It's called an
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: raa resident agency in Riverside. I went over there and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: I filled out the their basic their verse, the FBI's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: version of a basic two sheet, you know, one sheet,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: two sides, just to any job at all. And here's
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the thing. Even back then, the average background from the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: time you turn an application and report for duty to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: the FBI. Back then, it was eighteen months, okay. I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: turned that in a November of eighty seven, okay, And
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: in mid February, I get a call from the BI
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: office in La and I'm told report on the fourteenth
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: of March next month. So it was what December of
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: January February, three months after applying, I was informed that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I was hired. And there were two Now there were
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: two backgrounds being done on me by two different agencies simultaneously.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Because I had one of my references, nice old lady
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: who was kind of a surrogate grandmother and had known
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: me for a number of years because she was a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: neighbor and a friend. She called me one day she goes, oh,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: the guys just came by and talked to me, you know,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: do the guy the agent came by to you know,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: do your background. Oh okay, how did it go? You know?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: She goes, oh, fine, you know, blah blah blah. The
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: next day she calls me and she goes, Walter, I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: don't understand what's up. She goes, two agents showed f
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: FBI agents to do your background. And I told them
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I already talked to the other agent, and she said
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: they asked another agent because FBI at that time they
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: did all their own background investigations. So, as it turned out,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: and I heard this from other sources too, there were
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: two different organizations independently doing a background on me. I
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: have to this day, I have no idea who that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: first background investigator was that talked to the lady in
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: the story that he was working alone, different badge, different
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: ideas than from the FBI guys. So Black Walter, Yeah,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: exactly exactly. It's weird stuff. And you know, God's honest truth,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: that's the weird and there's believe me, there I probably
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: should write a book about this particular stuff. I haven't.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I don't write it. I really, you know, in spite
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: of what people might be thinking, because I'm glad blah
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Me Me, Me, I don't really write
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: about me a lot if you you know, you know
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: that I have one book about me. That's one of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: my shortest books. Know, And.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is really fascinating. This is like we
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: could probably talk you you can probably do a whole
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: freaking three hour long show and all this stuff.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't talk about this stuff, you know,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: so I can't. Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Redstone Arsenal also has that sister facility, which is Edgewood Arsenal.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: That's where all of the m K Ultra stuff happened
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: on Literal Army Soldiers, which was the original name of
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that was called the Huntsville Arsenal. So I any different
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: things that's happening right here.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it I learned over the years more Huntsville
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and you know, obviously and about you know, the operation
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Paperclip connection and you know it, you know, kind of
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: registered higher on my personal radar, like oh wow, wow,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: he had me go there. You know, at the time,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't know all this stuff, like you know, anything
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: about Edgewood and all that there was. I'm trying to remember.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I you know what it was the first It was
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: that trip now that I think about it, that when
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I went and did that application to NASA. That was
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: the first time I drove by myself cross country from
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: California to Alabama. And I stayed in Las Cruces, New
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Mexico one night and when I woke up, my navel
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: was itching, and I kind of, you know, and I realized,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: there's a tiny, tiny little scab. What the hell? And
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: it was like perhaps a needle had been inserted. And
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, over the years, I'm like,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: because when I was traveled, from the very first time
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I started driving, like to visit and stuff in my
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: affiliation with him, he would always tell me exactly what
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: route to take. I would get up, I would start
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: at five in the morning. He would say, you started,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: oh five hundred, you call me before you leave, tell
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: me you're leaving, and then you drive and you don't
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: stop driving for the day. I mean, you know, you
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: stop for food and stuff like that, and he goes.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: You don't put down for the night until five pm.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And then you call me, tell me exactly where you're at.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: So he always knew where I was at. Now I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: did learn later he told me, it's kind of comical
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: when I am I taking us away off topic.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: No, this is't super fascinating, it's super interested.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: When I first became an agent, after officer training school,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: this is after the FBI, after officer training school, and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: then after agent training, I pack up my wife and son,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: my then wife and son and move them from New
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: York to California. And again he tells me the itinerary,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: take this down to there, you know. And he always
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: had me go on the ten when I'm crossing the Southwest. Well,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: you know, this time, I've got my wife and my
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: you know, my my three year old son, and I'm thinking,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the ten's kind of the forty is going
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: to be more comfortable because there's better hotels, more you know,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: more often restaurants, and better. So I made the brilliant
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: command decision while on the road. We get into Arkansas
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna take the forty instead of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: the ten. And I didn't think to tell him I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: was going to do that. Long story, Sure, I kind
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: of pissed him off, and later he explained why he
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: goes he goes dummy. All these years, I've always had
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: a team following you, and of course it all comes together.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Then I'm like, oh, of course I call him when
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I leave Walter, you had dumbass, And he said, when
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you changed the route, they lost you for about an
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: hour an hour and a half, and so there was
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a panic, but they reacquired you.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: And you know, remember when he first started this, I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: was not in that business when this incident happened. The
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: moment he told me when you changed the plan, I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: had already been experienced in advanced surveillance encounters. So it
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: all fell into place. I'm like, oh my god, he
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: has had people following me, you know, all these for
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: my safety and so that that was the an over
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: to confirm confirmation of that. But all of that to say,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: going back to that first trip, he could easily have
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: had people come into my room after I'm asleep, you know,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: maybe sprint some gas up my nose so that I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: go into a deeper sleep, right and who knows what
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: they did to me? What what what might they have
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: injected into me through the navel, but that that weird,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: little tiny scab was there for like a few days
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and then you know, the itching stopped. And I've always
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: wondered about that, Just what the hell? Because he did
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: tell me about they use the drug, the pharmaceutical to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: pour the language into your head in your sleep, and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: other kinds of drugs they use. Well look at mk ultru,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the LSD and the you know, and the weird look
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: at the stuff Bob Lazaar was told to drink, you know,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: the the believable part of Lazar's story included the weird
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: pine scented liquid that he was told to drink. And
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: then there's the liquid on the I'm sorry on the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Gate program that you know that we were all major
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: although mine I don't remember the pink. I remember that
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: weird yellow and orange stuff that was given to me
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: by the pediatrician. But people, you have to remember, if
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: they have access to you through the school program, let
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: me tell you, the intelligence community, they can have access
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: to you through your doctor, and you not be aware
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: at all that your doctor says, oh, I want you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: to take this for a while. Okay, Like I'm on
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: a particular rheumatoid arthritis medicine, now, you know. I go,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I pick it up, I take it. It works for
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: what it intended purpose. I have no actual way of knowing,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: short of doing my own chemical test, that there might
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: not be something else in there that makes me useful
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: to them. I don't know. My friend I told you,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: the lady who the two background investigators that I just
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: told you about when her husband, who has also friends with,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Right after her husband passed away, their apartment was broken into,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: and she goes, I need to come over here and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: see something. My apartment was broken into the police just left,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: but I need you to see something. So I go
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: over there and I go, and I got okay. She
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: walks me through. She goes, see the TV and the VCR. Yeah,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: she goes, those are brand new. Okay. And walk in
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: the back room and she says, there on her chester door,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: she goes, see my jewelry case. She goes, those are
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: real diamonds. Those are this and that stuff there it is.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: And then she showed me this envelope full of cash,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: about three hundred and fifty dollars worth of cash. But
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: there it was, you know. And her point was they
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: didn't take the TV, they didn't take the cash that
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: was clearly visible. They didn't take her jewelry, I said, Louise,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: what did they take? She goes? The only thing missing
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: from this apartment was the medicine that the VA had
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: issued to Eddie on this special med's program. Now later
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I found out from my mentor what Eddie actually did,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: and he was the one that for when I first
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: heard the Nhartico story that's now popular, I heard it
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: happen in nineteen sixty with some mysterious thing they've found. Anyway,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Eddie did intel work for the US Air Force and
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the VA. If you have a medical condition, they will
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: give you your meds for free, if you're willing to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: be kind of a pharmaceutical guinea pig. And he was
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: on that program. But what my mentor told me was
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: when I years later asked Hi about the story, he goes.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: The meds they had him on enhanced his abilities parent
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: psychic abilities, and so obviously who broke into the apartment.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: The only thing they took was those medicines. What was
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: left over. They didn't want her or anyone to get
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: their hands on that medicine. But they don't touch the cash,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: They don't touch the jewelry. They don't touch the you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: the TV, the things that tweakers who break in and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: you know want will take that stuff.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: So wow, that is super fascinating. Yeah, that's super fascinating.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: So he was doing some kind of oppositions for them psychically.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would. That was part of what he did.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: For all I know, it could have included, you know,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: remote viewing. He would disappear, he would go out. She'd
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: send him out to get milk and eggs, and he
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: would disappear for like three hours on occasion, and then
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: he comes strolling back and she would go, Edward, where
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: have you been? He goes. You know me, Louisa, I
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: went to the bookstore and my uncle later told me,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: he goes, he says, he goes, he was going over
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: to the base. He's going over to the base and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: doing taskings, intel taskings because that something would come up
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: and they'd say, get over here to the base and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: blah blah. Because that's what he was doing, either talking
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: with someone that they brought there or you know, augmenting
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: whatever they had on. And I don't know the Pacifix.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: All I know is that the weird story that in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty he gets recalled to the Air Force and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: he's gone for a year, and some weird stuff happens
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: with that. She's actually told that, you know, he's it's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: a weird story. She was told that he was, that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: he died, that he was killed. And then like eight
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: months later, he knocks on our door and he tells her,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: do not ask me what happened. I will not tell you.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm off active duty, you know, I want to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: focus on our life, you know, that kind of thing.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: But he was still involved with intel work and yeah,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: it's so that's all topic for a whole other show sometime.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: But well, yeah, they broke in and took took the medicine,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: the weird whatever it was he was on that you know,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: enhanced his abilities, that's what they took.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: What.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I told you this story. I thought
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: maybe I'd discussed this on your show.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: No, you've never talked about this. They told her that
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: he died. Yeah, he probably was supposed to die or
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: they were doing some kind of fake thing and he
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to return, but when something got switched up
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: and then it was made it possible for him to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: actually come back.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, since we're going into it what my uncle
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: told me. He goes, he had an encounter. He was
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: sent to Antarctica. He had an encounter, and he lost
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: his marbles, he lost his mind, and they didn't think
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: he was going to pull out of it at all.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: So they made the decision to just tell her he
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: got killed. And then it's like eight months later after
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: she gets that that actually what it was. The phone rang.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: It was him. He said, I'll be there in ten minutes,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: and she was like, oh my god, there he's knocking
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: on her door. And she said that before that, their
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: marriage was they weren't like really getting along all that good,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and it was probably a good thing he went there
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: for and they were probably gonna end up, you know,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: getting divorced. And then that happened, and she goes, Now
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: the Eddie that came back to me, She goes, Walter,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: that's the eddie you and I know today. He was
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: like changed. It was different, you know, a lot more gentler,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: you know. And but he was the guy who and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I have told this story elsewhere, so if you know
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: for over the years, he's the guy that my uncle
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: told me about. In nineteen sixty there was this big
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: hole they found in Antarctica, and they found huge machinery
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: that was ancient. And the people, the personnel that went
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: down there, the things they saw and what they encountered.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I just drove half of them nuts. And I was
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: told that Eddie was one of them. See. I was
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: told this in the mid nineties. Okay, and it sounds
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: like the narrative that we've been hearing what the last
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: ten years or so, like the seal one told Linda
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: how this and others. But they're told that, oh, this
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: just happened in the two thousands. Well no, I was
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: told the same narrative in the mid nineties and told
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: that it happened over thirty years before. That's what I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: was told. So when this reemerged, I have since wondered
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: because I want people to come away from this not
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: thinking I'm entirely naive. When this started emerging, like through Lenha,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Milton Howe and stuff, I'm like, Okay, I wonder if, well,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: my uncle told me this narrative. This is like the
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: standard BS narrative they throw at you to see how
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: gullible you are right and to test you. Because he
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: told me, under no circumstances do you talk to anyone
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: about this. And I never talked about this publicly or
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: even privately until the two thousands because he told me don't.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: And so I wondered, Okay, was he testing my trustworthiness
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: by telling me this wild ass story saying how secret
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: it is, don't you dare say anything? Because it's so
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: wild but so specific that if I had run my mouth,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: they would be able to trace who ran his mouth.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: And that is a common way. It's called inking the waters,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: you know. That's a common way to test a source
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: or an asset.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Is also how they do documents as well. They'll give
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: certain people documents with certain phrases and stuff in it,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: so if that one gets leaked out, they know exactly
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: who leaked it.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm wondering if maybe you know that was
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: being if you know, if it was the Antarctica's story
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: was bs. But here's the thing, always the older lady
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: she confirmed the part of the story about being told
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: he was killed. That's why I that's actually what motivated
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: me to go to my uncle and say, hey, but oh,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: because one I've left, I'm sorry, and I've for my credibility.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I have told this story elsewhere and didn't leave out
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: these details. Not only did they not take money or valuables,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: they left some stuff behind. And one of the things
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: they left behind was a US Air Force Arctic weather
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: parka and it had the we call them the tapes
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: said US Air Force. And it had I recall on
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: his on the on the tape, it had his rank
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: and name. Usually it's your name and your rank is
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: subdued on a BDU type thing, but it had m Aj.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Major Lundy and you know, and she goes, I've never
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: seen that before. This is part of what prompted me
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: to go of my mentor and say uh. And I
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: told him this story. And at first he said, I
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: can't tell you until I see you, you know. And
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: and then when he did see me again, he goes,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you all the details. But Eddie was
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: connected with Air Force Intelligence, and then later I was
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: with the f I had when he told me that much,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: I had started with the FBI, and then later when
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I was Air Force so as I then he told
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: me the Antarctica part of it. So, for for what
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: that's worth, that's one of their my my weird background
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: with this stuff for and again it's I lay it
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: out there for people to process and you know, decide,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: decide for yourself.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Right, Really incredible, really incredible. The last thing that I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: want to head on before I let you go is
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: back to Sam Nunn. According to you know, because you
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: you have told me before who this person was, and uh,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: I think that this is the first time you've ever
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: revealed it publicly.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing that. I appreciate it.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: We'll see how much trouble I get into.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: But because we did a little research into him and
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: it turns out he's actually still alive.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Have you ever attempted to never met it, never attempted
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: to contact him yet. I wasn't sure how appropriate that
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: would be or if he would even acknowledge, you know,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean something like this. He'd probably ignored. I don't know.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe I should try it, I mean, my gosh, before
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: he checks out, you know, because he's several years older
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: than I am.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, because I think the gene No. Yeah, James Jesus
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Ingleton died in nineteen eighty seven.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Sam Nunn be he got into August, got into office
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven. So James Jesus Ingleton dies in
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven and saying non gets becomes a chair
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: in the Senator of Armed Services Committee in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting because in James Jesus Ingleton
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: was the mentor to your mentor.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, yes, he was my mentor's mentor.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: And there was a lot of weird things with James
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Jesus Singleton. Did you ever meet him?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Ever met him? I was, of course when by the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: time he laid on me that Angleton was the mentor
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: he'd been talking about all these years. I had been
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: in counterintelligence for twelve years, and of course I knew
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: exactly who he was. Anybody encountered, anybody who studies modern
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: American history has heard of Angleton, but particularly in the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: profession I was in. Holy crap, you know Angleton because
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: he does have a a bit of a checkered biography,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there are those who are Angleton haters.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: There are those who, you know, the guy who's perfect,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: could do no wrong. You know, I kind of presently
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: reserve my opinion I never met him. I think there's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that critics just simply flat out
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: don't know about the spook world that they don't understand
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: would explain some of the things that they see as
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: negative about him and others. So, you know, I presently
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: I don't see Angleton as a villain in history. There
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: are those who do, I understand too well.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: It's hard to vilify people just based off of like
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: little known history that you know about the person. And
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of this stuff is these people's jobs,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Like it's their job to do this, Like it's their
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: job to you know, spy on people and do this
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: type of thing, like that's what they're paid to do.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's that's just what it is. And you
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: can't be mad at them for doing what their job is.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: What their job is, Yeah, you know, and as long
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: as it's not you know, you know, some people believe
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: it or you know, I have to tell them believe
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: it or not. Whether you want to believe it or not.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: We really that there's a ranks I worked in. There's
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: a deep respect for the Constitution, and that's our line.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: This is why, as a former federal agent. I'm not
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: going to go off on a rant on this, but
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just stating this. This is why, as a former
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: federal agent myself, the activities of ICE over the last
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: year or so I find reprehensible and disgusting and unacceptable
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: from federal agents period. I'll leave it at that, because
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: we really do have a respect for that in the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: rights and stuff. So I never did anything in the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: course of my duties that violated that, you know, never
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: tortured anyone, never, never did. My job was going after
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: foreign agents and terrorists, you know. And this one of
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: the things that bothers me in our community is this theme.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: And some people that are of mine, they're constantly harping
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: on this, Oh, a counterintelligence agent's job, their whole job
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: is just to lie to us, to lie to us,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: all because of those who have worked with disinformation. So
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: now all counterintelligence agents, by people in this community are
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely defined as just their job is to lie to
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: the public. And I kind of take personal offense to
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: that because in a way, okay, yeah, disinformation, but not
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: all of us, not all of us were part of that,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: or you know, that wasn't Any disinformation I was involved
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: with was always aimed and targeted at foreign intelligence agencies
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: hostive foreign intelligence agencies. At no time in my career
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: as a counterintelligence counter espionage guy was I involved with
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: lying to the American Company, and so I take offense
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: to this this broad brush description in the UFO community
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: and the conspiracy community about all CIA agents and that's
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: just a little professional right there speaking.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: But well, you can understand seeing them from their perspective
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: because it seems like that's what's happening right now. But yes,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: you were involved, but that seems to be right, what
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: is going on right now in this very day that.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: There are You're right, there are guys doing it. I
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: think I thought from the get go that Alizonda was
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: doing it. And you know a lot of this, Oh
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: me too. I'm a CIA guy or former intelligence guy
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: who's had an encounter. I'm an experiencer. I saw that
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: as a as a perception management tactic all along from
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: the beginning, and I think I was one of three
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: people in the community that spoke out about it starting
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen and took a lot of crap from people.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: I would have people getting angry at me when I suggested,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: tik TeX's probably our technology. You know, MG, what is
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: it turned out to be? Generally everybody accepts now because
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: of the evidence that says it that it was our technology,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: and this is this is kind of one of my
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: piece with the with UFOLOGY sometimes as they get enthused
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: because something comes out that excites them. But you know,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be if you're going to consider
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: yourself or put yourself out there as somebody who investigates anything,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: us professional investigators there therefore are going to hold you
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: to the same standard we'reheld to. And I want to
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: see discernment and this peeve that I mentioned, that's a
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: good way to practice discernment. They should be saying there
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: are some federal agents who get involved in this disinformation stuff,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: but we're not going to paint all of them that way,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: because why is that harmful. I've been out here for
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: years and people know my background. When we start painting
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: CI agents in that way, all of them with a
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: broad brush, then that that affects my credibility. And I've
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: been nothing but honest with you know, the UFOLOGY public,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and I've been around for some years, and
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be painted with that brush. So
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: for what.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely agree, Walter. Thanks so much for coming on, brother.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Very fascinating conversation. We could probably
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: keep talking about it. With everything that you show for
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: another like three or four hours on this bad ball bet.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Can you let people know where to find you online
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: social media where they can purchase your books?
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well right there as you can see where I
• 1:37:42
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• 1:37:45
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• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: market there, I don't distribute there. It's because it's terrible
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: for listening to listen to publishing industry professionals. That's how you.
• 1:37:56
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• 1:38:00
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• 1:38:03
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• 1:38:05
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• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: It's the Walter Bossley channel at YouTube is where I
• 1:38:12
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• 1:38:16
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• 1:38:35
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• 1:38:39
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• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: and things like that, socks, so I love it, but oddly,
• 1:38:47
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• 1:38:53
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• 1:38:57
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• 1:39:00
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• 1:39:04
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• 1:39:19
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• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you next time.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Bye bye,