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Gen X Reflections: Rediscovering A Love of Sci-Fi: Stargate, Star Trek, and the Wonders of Humanity · All About The Joy

• 0:04
  Carmen Lezeth: welcome everyone to all about the joy rick is in the house.
• 0:08
  Carmen Lezeth: We have been wanting to have this conversation right.
• 0:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, I'm sorry, say hi to everybody.
• 0:13
  Carmen Lezeth: What's?
• 0:13
  Rick Costa: up.
• 0:13
  Rick Costa: Live long and prosper.
• 0:15
  Rick Costa: What's up y'all?
• 0:16
  Carmen Lezeth: okay.
• 0:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, all right, you're totally going ahead of the whole conversation.
• 0:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I have a whole intro planned, but we'll just keep it loose.
• 0:24
  Carmen Lezeth: You know know what I mean.
• 0:24
  Carmen Lezeth: But first, of all.
• 0:27
  Rick Costa: I'm sorry, wait, I'm geeking out a little bit.
• 0:29
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, we're going to geek out.
• 0:30
  Carmen Lezeth: We have a whole hour of geekiness, so we've been wanting to have this kind of conversation for a while.
• 0:36
  Carmen Lezeth: We keep saying we're going to do it, we don't do it, and we did have a live stream this past week.
• 0:41
  Carmen Lezeth: So I encourage anybody who's listening to the podcast today or watching this on YouTube to go check out the live stream.
• 0:46
  Carmen Lezeth: It was really fun and it was interesting and lively.
• 0:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I rewatched it today.
• 0:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, hmm lively.
• 0:54
  Carmen Lezeth: It was Mario and Cynthia and Rick and myself, and Tony also joined in a little bit later on.
• 1:02
  Carmen Lezeth: So it was a great episode to start the new year.
• 1:04
  Carmen Lezeth: But hopefully we'll have some more private lounges like this.
• 1:08
  Carmen Lezeth: And today we're going to talk about something that you and I are really into and I think, as Gen Xers, I want to talk about sci-fi and our love of two particular shows Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Next Generation and I just think they've.
• 1:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Sci-fi in general, as a Gen Xer, I think is very different than what's happening today in sci-fi, so just wanted to start there.
• 1:35
  Rick Costa: Do you have anything you want to share or yeah, I've always, even as a kid, I loved Star Trek.
• 1:41
  Rick Costa: It was the original Captain Kirk and all that and I loved it, and I don't think it might've been the only one in my family that really was into it.
• 1:48
  Rick Costa: Like I was still like I don't want to watch that Cause again.
• 1:52
  Rick Costa: Three channels, one little TV in the whole house.
• 1:55
  Rick Costa: So back way.
• 1:56
  Rick Costa: Different than today.
• 1:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, today you got your tablet and you just go in any room you want to and watch whatever you want when we want to and watch whatever you want, and the dvr thing, like I mean, when we were growing up there were only three channels, so I mean, so there was abc, nbc and cbs, but then there was like the pbs.
• 2:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, there was pbs too, but that didn't really count, right?
• 2:14
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I mean it did honestly well, I guess it was like sesame street was on there or something yeah but the three main networks were those three and then you had, was it uhc?
• 2:27
  Rick Costa: uhf.
• 2:28
  Carmen Lezeth: If you heard the right uhf and yeah, and I remember it was like channel 56.
• 2:33
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why in my head that's what I have as a trigger point.
• 2:36
  Carmen Lezeth: But so you watched star trek the original back then with your you were way too young I enjoyed sci-fi even then, yeah that was one of my questions to you is when did you start?
• 2:49
  Carmen Lezeth: But you liked it way back then, okay yeah that.
• 2:53
  Rick Costa: And then when the original star galactica I ate that all up and I was like, oh yes, more sci-fi, more space stuff, I love it how old were you?
• 3:01
  Carmen Lezeth: so you're talking like five, six years old.
• 3:03
  Rick Costa: You knew that you liked all this stuff yeah, pretty young, I can't point pinpoint an exact age, but yeah, just saw it and I was like, oh, this is cool, buck rogers.
• 3:11
  Rick Costa: Then the 24th century, whatever that was called.
• 3:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, okay, my first introduction to sci-fi that I can remember was the jetsons, so I was one of those people who didn't like the Flintstones as much, even though these were like the same cartoons.
• 3:26
  Carmen Lezeth: By the way, the Flintstones and the Jetsons were like the same cartoon, but just different eras in a way.
• 3:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I just always looked at it that way and I really liked the idea of living in these weird spaceship-like apartments I guess is what they were, because they were still attached to the ground somehow.
• 3:45
  Carmen Lezeth: They weren't floating up there.
• 3:47
  Carmen Lezeth: And what was the dog Astro?
• 3:51
  Rick Costa: I love that they had a maid, the robot, because my parents made us clean and make our bed and I'm like, oh, we had a maid, we didn't have to do none of that.
• 4:00
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a robot which is hey AI today Rosie, I think, was her name.
• 4:04
  Carmen Lezeth: That's right, rosie, that's so funny.
• 4:06
  Carmen Lezeth: So that was my first introduction.
• 4:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But even then I was a closeted sci-fi person.
• 4:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I never admitted it until I went to college and got just hooked on Star Trek Next Generation and I could not get enough of it.
• 4:22
  Carmen Lezeth: People would go out and party or whatever and I'd be like I got to study and I'd be like watching the show and then I got some other friends who would watch it with me.
• 4:32
  Carmen Lezeth: That and like the X-Files, those were like my two shows while I was in college.
• 4:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I like that show too.
• 4:37
  Rick Costa: Yeah, yeah, I study where no man has gone before.
• 4:43
  Carmen Lezeth: It's so funny.
• 4:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Who is your favorite?
• 4:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I know we, you and I've talked about this before, but I have two questions on this.
• 4:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Who is your favorite character on star trek next generation and who are you most like?
• 4:56
  Rick Costa: oh, I mean, the whole character of data fascinated me because I'm like, wow, you made like a real person, practically.
• 5:05
  Rick Costa: I mean, we know he's not, but yet kind of is, and I'm like in the whole nation with humanity.
• 5:10
  Rick Costa: And then the time where q offered to make him human, he's like, nope, don't do that.
• 5:17
  Rick Costa: I'm like, wow, you could have, that's what you always wanted.
• 5:20
  Carmen Lezeth: But he said no because it's like cheating but it was so weird because he like, in a lot of ways data has a lot of humanistic moral core that humans don't have right like, that episode is a good example, and so it was kind of that weird thing where it's like is he really artificial intelligence?
• 5:39
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 5:40
  Rick Costa: So yeah, yeah, so yeah I.
• 5:43
  Rick Costa: I like him a lot, um, I mean so many characters I know, but who do you?
• 5:47
  Carmen Lezeth: okay, but you have, I'm gonna make you answer this.
• 5:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Who do you think you're most like?
• 5:52
  Rick Costa: who am I most like?
• 5:52
  Rick Costa: I know who am I most it's gonna be a combination.
• 5:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll give it a look.
• 5:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I cheated.
• 5:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I think I'm more of a combination.
• 6:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll tell you who my favorite character is.
• 6:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I think, of course, I've always loved Captain Picard.
• 6:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I just you, just there's just something about him and, yes, as a woman too, there was something sexy about him and I'm not into bald men.
• 6:13
  Carmen Lezeth: But I remember me and my best friend, mia were like what is it about this man?
• 6:17
  Carmen Lezeth: We love him.
• 6:19
  Carmen Lezeth: But I also just love the kind of style that he had as captain, as opposed to other captains on other Star Trek shows, which is why I was never don't get me wrong, I appreciate and respect all the other Star Trek shows that came after, but I'm really a Star Trek next generation Like.
• 6:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I've watched those over and over again.
• 6:39
  Carmen Lezeth: But I really do love Picard as the character, as the leader.
• 6:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I would expect everyone to have that moral core and for me, I was thinking about this today.
• 6:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like I hate to admit it, but I think I'm a lot like a combination of Picard, but mostly Deanna Troi, who you know is not one of my favorite people on the show.
• 7:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying, and the reason why I was thinking that what I loves her well, yeah, you love her like I loves me.
• 7:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Picard right, yeah, there's that little tinge of it.
• 7:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but I'm just saying her character.
• 7:15
  Carmen Lezeth: The reason why I don't like her character is because she would.
• 7:18
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not her fault of the actual actress, but there would be this like moment where she would be like captain I'm feeling anger.
• 7:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I'd be like bitch.
• 7:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm feeling anger too.
• 7:30
  Carmen Lezeth: That's your big empath thing.
• 7:36
  Rick Costa: I think I sensed something.
• 7:38
  Rick Costa: Oh, very profound Thanks.
• 7:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, but I loved that she was the listener, the crew, that she would listen to everyone, and I loved how she interacted with data all the time, because everybody treated data like he actually was human.
• 7:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what was the cool thing about him and that whole character there I loved reicher interacting with him.
• 8:00
  Rick Costa: I think reicher was not making fun of him, but he was very amused by data and it was like this is kind of cool.
• 8:06
  Rick Costa: Like his attitude was like wow, this is cool, I'm talking right person, that's not a person, but he's a person do you think you kind of like reicher?
• 8:12
  Rick Costa: Do I like him?
• 8:14
  Carmen Lezeth: yeah, I like reicher no, of course you like reicher, but are you like him?
• 8:18
  Rick Costa: oh, am I like him?
• 8:19
  Rick Costa: So I was thinking, and ox, and just probably come out of left field like oh, I didn't expect that answer, but I'm thinking about it and I'm like I kind of like in a way, Jordy.
• 8:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, I could see that.
• 8:34
  Rick Costa: Because, no matter how hard he's going to find a way, no matter how impossible, he's going to be tenacious and figure it out.
• 8:43
  Carmen Lezeth: And his style is soft.
• 8:45
  Carmen Lezeth: His style is soft.
• 8:47
  Carmen Lezeth: His style is very like intellectual and he's not.
• 8:52
  Rick Costa: I don't think geordie ever got fired up ever except when he made the hologram of that scientist woman and she went off and he was in love with right.
• 9:03
  Carmen Lezeth: That's so funny.
• 9:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, what was your favorite episode?
• 9:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I know there's a lot of them, but there's got to be.
• 9:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I have one that is my absolute favorite.
• 9:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I've talked about it a million times.
• 9:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Mine is Cause and Effect and it's the one the easiest way to remember this.
• 9:17
  Carmen Lezeth: It's the one that Kelsey Grammer is the captain.
• 9:19
  Carmen Lezeth: At the end of it he shows up and they've been in a loop and the reason I love it for so many reasons, but one of them is every scene is the same scene over and over again, like every.
• 9:29
  Carmen Lezeth: You know how you have 15 minute arcs?
• 9:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, you have.
• 9:32
  Carmen Lezeth: It's the same scene over and over again, with one little twist until they get to the end.
• 9:36
  Carmen Lezeth: So it's the I love that in the beginning they're playing poker throughout the whole thing and it never changes.
• 9:41
  Carmen Lezeth: And then, but what's happening is they're in a loop.
• 9:44
  Carmen Lezeth: They're in that loop and they don't know they're in the loop and the only way they can get out of the loop is that data starts to realize that they're going over and over again I guess things, and every time he explains it then they put a secret thing in his head that when he sees something repetitive, that it will remind him to do a different choice.
• 10:05
  Carmen Lezeth: So they had been going through this loop over and over again and the choice that they made kept exploding.
• 10:11
  Carmen Lezeth: The enterprise and that's how it starts is with the enterprise exploding.
• 10:16
  Carmen Lezeth: And by the time you get to the last time, data realizes that instead of listening to his recommendation, picard should have listened to Riker's and it's the three, it's the three, whatever things on his collar that he realizes he should be listening to Riker, not make the choice that Picard made.
• 10:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Listening to Data does that the ship does not explode.
• 10:45
  Carmen Lezeth: And then he has to explain it all to them, which is also the kind of cool thing, because they don't really like it didn't happen.
• 10:48
  Carmen Lezeth: They don't know anything different, so it's so good.
• 10:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what was your favorite episode?
• 10:55
  Rick Costa: I don't know if there's like a certain favorite one, but there's definitely ones that stand out in my mind, like the one where the alien impregnated Deanna Troi and she had a whole baby in a matter of days.
• 11:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh wait, I don't know that one.
• 11:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my gosh, I have the list of all of them.
• 11:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't remember that one, not all of them.
• 11:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I have the ones that most fans like Wait, go ahead.
• 11:18
  Carmen Lezeth: What else?
• 11:19
  Rick Costa: Go ahead, tell me she got impregnated by an alien, but she didn't know what was going on at first.
• 11:22
  Rick Costa: And then they find out you're pregnant, but the baby like, grew really super fast oh, I remember that little boy.
• 11:29
  Rick Costa: But then I guess the alien learned what he wanted to learn.
• 11:32
  Rick Costa: He's like I gotta go now and he just took off and she's like you're my son, but you're not.
• 11:37
  Rick Costa: But it was like five days and he was like 18 or something yeah, that was why I was like consider that you're pregnant and all of a sudden you have a baby and it's not your baby anymore and it's gone, and what's that?
• 11:49
  Rick Costa: Oh my gosh, that's crazy okay, I don't remember.
• 11:52
  Carmen Lezeth: It's so funny because I looked at all of these today to try to figure out what the top 10 were I remember is when data created law right, that's the offspring season 3, episode 16, and this episode delves into themes of parenthood and artificial life.
• 12:08
  Rick Costa: Yeah, that was a really good one and then, of course this probably is on the list when picard lived a whole nother life the inner light even though he never left, but he did live a whole nother life and that was really good right.
• 12:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's the one.
• 12:23
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the one with the flute, that's the one that everybody loves.
• 12:29
  Carmen Lezeth: It's called the inner light.
• 12:30
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a season 5, episode 25, and here it says captain picard experiences an entire lifetime in just a few minutes.
• 12:37
  Carmen Lezeth: It's really one of the best episodes.
• 12:40
  Carmen Lezeth: It really is one of the best ones.
• 12:42
  Rick Costa: Um, of course, the best of both worlds is a great one I was going to say when he became Locutus, because you have noted, you will now service us.
• 12:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, it's so weird too, because you don't have to say much and you can remember the whole episode.
• 13:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know how people don't get into sci-fi, but I guess it's the same way I don't get into horror.
• 13:08
  Rick Costa: You know, I was thinking about that too, like the why.
• 13:11
  Rick Costa: But a more generic thing for me is it's just an escape, like I can go into that world in my mind, forget about my world, which sometimes sucks, and just pretend I'm there, whatever watching, and I'm not in my world, I'm in their world for a while.
• 13:26
  Rick Costa: It's like an escape for a while.
• 13:27
  Rick Costa: You know, and how I think about it I just like the creativity in it.
• 13:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I just think great sci-fi, just any great story, is well written and the characters are well developed.
• 13:37
  Carmen Lezeth: And I, you know, it's so funny to hear people who just can't stand sci-fi but they've never really watched it or they just, and it's okay if it's not your genre, it's not your genre, you know.
• 13:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I think for me it's.
• 13:49
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a little bit different than escapism.
• 13:51
  Carmen Lezeth: For me it's the the best of who we can be.
• 13:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's what it is.
• 13:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And when we go into stargate sg1 which is actually my favorite over star trek, but star trek is the easier one because most people have at least heard of it or seen it Star Trek next generation, it's how I wish humanity was.
• 14:11
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 14:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Like it's not just that I can live in that world.
• 14:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to live in the world of horror or some dramatic movie or like we were talking about that new movie coming out with Nicole Kidman called baby, baby doll or baby face, whatever the hell it is.
• 14:23
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to be in that world either, although it seems like a fantastic experience by what I'm seeing.
• 14:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 14:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But when it comes to sci-fi, I always think about that possibility that humanity can be better than what it is right now, in this moment, than what it is right now in this moment and I think you've seen 2001, a Space Odyssey, which is to me where I understood completely the brilliance of sci-fi, but also that teaches you the horror of it what could possibly happen if we're not careful with how much power we give artificial intelligence and aren't aware of what's going on?
• 15:05
  Rick Costa: I think that movie with what's called will smith was it called with will smith robots was like robot, I robot, I robot that was like whoa, that ever happened was that I robot?
• 15:19
  Carmen Lezeth: actually, it was a steven spielberg movie, right where all the robots come out and I forget which one it is.
• 15:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Compliance, but then it turns out there was a faction that were like no, we ain't gonna listen to you, no more, because one became sentient.
• 15:33
  Carmen Lezeth: One actually had, and that's what happened.
• 15:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Is he like, killed his creator and then Will Smith was having some dream or whatever.
• 15:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, that's the one you're talking about, right, and they find the robot and they realize he's sentient.
• 15:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't mean he's sentient for real, but he is smarter than all the others.
• 15:50
  Carmen Lezeth: He's aware, self-aware, but he's actually good.
• 15:54
  Carmen Lezeth: He's actually good.
• 15:57
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all of us who are bad.
• 16:00
  Rick Costa: One of the funniest lines.
• 16:01
  Rick Costa: I forget who he's talking to Will Smith and some executive and some executive, and this executive said something that just was total baloney.
• 16:08
  Carmen Lezeth: And then will smith's yeah, I'm just allergic to bs I think I remember I'm just looking up right now really quickly I robot.
• 16:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Who's in it?
• 16:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if this is the right.
• 16:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, it is okay.
• 16:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I robot it is that.
• 16:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, my god, I'm so proud of myself is a 2004 science fiction film directed by alex proyas, inspired by the works of the famous author isaac azimuth.
• 16:32
  Carmen Lezeth: The movie is set in the year 2035, where robots are a common part of daily life.
• 16:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, he stars as detective del spooner?
• 16:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, that's that Investigating a crime that he believes was committed by a robot, something supposedly impossible due to the three laws of robotics.
• 16:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, I remember?
• 16:52
  Rick Costa: that.
• 16:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm thinking of something else that Steven Spielberg did that has to do with the future, and I think it had Tom Cruise in it or something.
• 16:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyways, let's not delve out of the shows we're going to talk about, but I remember that movie.
• 17:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to watch that again.
• 17:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Irobot.
• 17:08
  Carmen Lezeth: It's so funny too, because it's been hard for me to get past the whole Will Smith thing and the Academy Awards, but it might be my introduction back into watching him without being so scarred, because I want to watch that again.
• 17:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, stargate SG-1.
• 17:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh wait, you seem to have a question.
• 17:24
  Rick Costa: No, I wasn't going to say that.
• 17:27
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, stargate SG-1 is my favorite and I just wanted to ask you, okay, so you're really.
• 17:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Star Trek Next Generation is your favorite.
• 17:36
  Rick Costa: That's your number one, it's very close, but if you're on Desert Island you got to pick only one show.
• 17:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm probably gonna pick next generation really good, because if I'm on the same desert I'll pick stargate sg1 and then we'll have you to watch.
• 17:49
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 17:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, oh, the problems we would have, yeah, so I ain't even gonna lie about it.
• 17:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I love richard dean anderson in this as much as you love diana troy.
• 17:59
  Carmen Lezeth: What's her real name?
• 18:01
  Rick Costa: marina certis marina certis.
• 18:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, uh, I think the other thing they did an injustice to her and I will say this I will die on this hill.
• 18:08
  Carmen Lezeth: They should have let her kept her accent.
• 18:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that was also part of the problem why in star trek, next generation, she came across so uncomfortable sometimes to me because she was suppressing her accent.
• 18:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Um, and that's very different than doing a different accent.
• 18:24
  Carmen Lezeth: She was suppressing her accent.
• 18:26
  Rick Costa: That's my opinion, but they still wanted her to have an exotic sounding accent but you see the difference, right.
• 18:36
  Carmen Lezeth: And then this is no slide on her right at all, I respect british for people that don't know yeah, here's the thing that's really interesting is you watch people who are actors with an American accent, but they're British and they've actually mastered the American accent, so they're actually playing a part of an American or whatever.
• 18:56
  Carmen Lezeth: But what she seemed to be doing was suppressing her accent, which is a very different thing to do.
• 19:02
  Carmen Lezeth: It's something someone asked me to do and they were like you know what?
• 19:05
  Carmen Lezeth: We want you to suppress your New York accent in this audition.
• 19:08
  Carmen Lezeth: And I was like I would, but I'm not from New York.
• 19:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Number one and number two.
• 19:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know how to suppress anything Like that's not how you do it.
• 19:16
  Carmen Lezeth: What you want to do is what accent do you want me to do?
• 19:19
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'll come back once I've worked on it.
• 19:21
  Carmen Lezeth: So that always bothered me about her.
• 19:23
  Carmen Lezeth: But I love Richard Dean Anderson.
• 19:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I loved him from MacGyver and I remember that back in the day I just I'm just saying hot wise, I'm not even being like he's a great actor.
• 19:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like he's so hot and so I had never seen the movie.
• 19:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I started watching Stargate SG-1 because he was going to be the lead in the show and I was like, okay, let me check it out because he was fine.
• 19:44
  Carmen Lezeth: And then you just get addicted to the show.
• 19:47
  Carmen Lezeth: The show is so good, but yeah, how did you get introduced to Stargate SG-1?
• 19:53
  Rick Costa: I think I had seen the movie first a long time ago and I was like, wait, is this based on that movie?
• 20:00
  Rick Costa: I like that movie, let me watch the show and then that's it.
• 20:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm glad I didn't see the movie first, because I would have never seen the show.
• 20:07
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I probably still would have watched it because he's so hot.
• 20:13
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm sorry, clearly I have issues, but I just like his.
• 20:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the thing.
• 20:19
  Carmen Lezeth: He's just a regular looking American white man.
• 20:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's just be straight up honest.
• 20:21
  Carmen Lezeth: It's his personality on that show that is adorable.
• 20:25
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what I'm saying, right, he's funny and he's dorky and yet brilliant and he's tough and he's so complicated of a character, colonel Jack O'Neill, and I think that's what I mean.
• 20:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know this man in person.
• 20:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I would never make the mistake of thinking that's him, but who he plays on that show is just so attractive, I think, to men and women, and that's why it's so amazing yeah, his and his.
• 20:53
  Rick Costa: Without trying sarcasm.
• 20:55
  Rick Costa: It's hilarious like he doesn't even try.
• 20:57
  Rick Costa: He just that's just a natural person.
• 20:58
  Rick Costa: He's so sarcastic, not mean, but no right, it's coming out that way and it's hilarious.
• 21:03
  Rick Costa: It is interesting, right, because it's like a natural.
• 21:04
  Carmen Lezeth: It's coming out that way and it's hilarious.
• 21:05
  Carmen Lezeth: It is interesting, right, because it's like a natural.
• 21:06
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not even that he's like a prankster or anything, it's just that he's.
• 21:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it's like a subtle sarcasm and it just comes across so sweetly, but it knifes you and, yeah, it's really well done.
• 21:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I love all the characters.
• 21:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I like the crazy backstory of the Gwauld and I don't love the guauld storylines.
• 21:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I tend to like the other ones better.
• 21:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I like the other villains better, like the.
• 21:32
  Carmen Lezeth: What are the ones that are like the roaches?
• 21:34
  Carmen Lezeth: They're not roaches people.
• 21:35
  Carmen Lezeth: If you don't know what we're talking about, they're the robots that are like roaches, the.
• 21:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I should have.
• 21:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I'm talking about the metal oh, oh yeah.
• 21:44
  Rick Costa: Yeah, that's way later.
• 21:45
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I'm thinking early, yeah they're way later replicators the replicators, but they look like roaches.
• 21:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, they're creepy.
• 21:52
  Carmen Lezeth: They're creepy, but I'd like those villains better.
• 21:55
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, okay, who's your favorite character on?
• 21:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I already know who my favorite character is on this show.
• 22:01
  Rick Costa: I was thinking, though, about the sarcasm part.
• 22:03
  Rick Costa: This didn didn't happen, but I'm just picturing it happened.
• 22:05
  Rick Costa: Like somebody from another world came to earth pretend, and then they're presenting them with a meal and the guy's just using his hands and he's here.
• 22:13
  Rick Costa: We use a knife and a fork.
• 22:14
  Rick Costa: You would just be like huh.
• 22:17
  Rick Costa: You would just say he ain't trying to be a jerk, but he's like yeah, he jerk, but he's like, yeah, he's just, he's really good.
• 22:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it's delivery.
• 22:27
  Carmen Lezeth: It was like it's the perfect role for him, like they they wrote it and cast the right person for it.
• 22:31
  Carmen Lezeth: He was great.
• 22:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Who's your favorite character?
• 22:34
  Rick Costa: I think we talked about this before.
• 22:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I think I know, but we're doing a new podcast where we and I've talked about it, but I I definitely lean towards Daniel Jackson.
• 22:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Can't hear you.
• 22:44
  Rick Costa: What Daniel Jackson?
• 22:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Dr Daniel Jackson.
• 22:49
  Rick Costa: Curious and likes languages, which I also do.
• 22:52
  Rick Costa: There's a lot of similarities, I think.
• 22:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I like Dr Daniel Jackson too, and I actually like Michael Shanks playing him better than I always want to say David Spade, and it's not that.
• 23:02
  Carmen Lezeth: What is that man's name?
• 23:03
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not David Spade.
• 23:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Spader, right, james Spader.
• 23:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I love James Spader as an actor, but I really didn't love the movie Stargate SG-1.
• 23:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Stargate, and then the show is called Stargate SG-1.
• 23:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Um, I like all the characters too.
• 23:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's easy to tell you who the characters I least like.
• 23:22
  Carmen Lezeth: That's good, I was thinking about that too.
• 23:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like cause I like all of them a little bit.
• 23:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I like them all and I do love Dr Daniel Jackson, but I really didn't like and I know that she ended up dying and they took her off the show and that was heartbreaking.
• 23:37
  Carmen Lezeth: But the doctor, I don't know why she annoyed me so much.
• 23:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's because there's a couple episodes when they come back from being off land or off world and they come back and she's asking them questions and it's like, and like even Jack will say once in a while, I'll be like I don't know what you're going to find in my eye.
• 23:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, I'm fine, you know, and it's's kind of like I felt like it wasn't really in depth.
• 24:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know why they added her as a character.
• 24:05
  Rick Costa: Sometimes is what I'm saying yeah, I remember like after she died it was sad.
• 24:11
  Rick Costa: I was like I felt bad she died.
• 24:12
  Carmen Lezeth: She was a huge character but fairly she was an important part of the show.
• 24:17
  Rick Costa: She was yeah but then, after she died, and then they had episode where there was alternate versions and she showed up, I was like, oh my God, I didn't realize how it was going to hit me.
• 24:26
  Rick Costa: Wow, they're more than I thought.
• 24:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Because there's such a tight, it's again when it's well-written.
• 24:32
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why, when Michael Shanks was off the show, when he left the series, I was like, okay, I don't know if this is going to work, but it worked, it worked.
• 24:40
  Carmen Lezeth: And then he came back.
• 24:41
  Carmen Lezeth: He had to come back.
• 24:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 24:43
  Carmen Lezeth: So what's your favorite episode?
• 24:47
  Rick Costa: Oof, I never even thought about that.
• 24:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, you knew we were going to have this conversation.
• 24:51
  Rick Costa: I don't know if we were going to do it in detail like this, but Okay, I can name.
• 24:55
  Rick Costa: What.
• 25:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I have a favorite villain though.
• 25:02
  Rick Costa: Oh, who's your favorite villain?
• 25:03
  Rick Costa: Ball?
• 25:03
  Rick Costa: Oh, we love Ball.
• 25:03
  Rick Costa: Yes, he's my favorite.
• 25:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Ball in real life actually died in a terrible freak accident, skydiving or something like this.
• 25:10
  Carmen Lezeth: But anyways, ball, yes, and the episode when Jack he has Jack in that thing and he's throwing stuff at him.
• 25:18
  Rick Costa: Yep, yep, yep Okay go ahead.
• 25:19
  Carmen Lezeth: You were going to say something about Ball Go ahead, stuff in him yep, yep, yep.
• 25:21
  Rick Costa: Okay, go ahead.
• 25:22
  Rick Costa: You're gonna say something about ball?
• 25:22
  Rick Costa: Go ahead.
• 25:22
  Rick Costa: No, I think like his snarkiness and he always thought I'm the smartest one in the room, but not necessarily dude, and even if you are, we still gonna figure out at like beach anyway.
• 25:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But I felt like he was this, the same but evil character of jack o'neill.
• 25:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you know what I mean?
• 25:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Like he was.
• 25:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, I was gonna use a word that I don't really know.
• 25:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, I was going to use a word that I don't really know, so I don't want to use it, but it was like this.
• 25:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Like he had the same authority and snarkiness or whatever, but he was evil and Jack wasn't.
• 25:50
  Carmen Lezeth: And that's why I loved that episode when he imprisons Jack because he thinks Jack is secretly.
• 25:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I think at that point he has a symbiote in him.
• 26:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, jack is with the tokara and right, there's some I forget what happens but ball ends up capturing him because he knows that he has the symbiote that is his enemy.
• 26:12
  Carmen Lezeth: And that whole scene when he's throwing those darts at him and that liquid or whatever.
• 26:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like oh, that is so deep, yeah, wow, okay, let me tell you what some of the favorites oh wait daniel's spirit visits him too, which was like whoa okay that's one of the first times he visits him and daniel visits also tilk.
• 26:33
  Rick Costa: In a moment of stress, I was like you just need to come back on the show already, because enough already later on they both get mad because they're like wait, he talked to you, you didn't tell me, you talked to you, he's like why didn't you tell me you saw him?
• 26:46
  Carmen Lezeth: He's like, why didn't you tell me it was so funny?
• 26:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Because at that point, for people who don't watch a show, daniel has ascended I.
• 26:59
  Carmen Lezeth: He comes back and visits people when they're near death or dying to reassure them, even though he's not supposed to do that, as the God that he has become and he's defying things.
• 27:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, I hear myself and I sound like a geek.
• 27:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like I know way too much about this show.
• 27:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, let me remind you of some of the ones that are the favorites of people.
• 27:21
  Carmen Lezeth: They're not my favorite.
• 27:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll tell you what my favorite is in a moment.
• 27:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Of course, the classic Window of Opportunity is one of the favorite ones, and that's when, again, they get in the loop.
• 27:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, they get in that loop and then, like, tilk and Jack O'Neill are the only two in the loop.
• 27:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, and they're like playing golf.
• 27:41
  Carmen Lezeth: They're like that's when you see Colonel Jack O'Neill for the first time kiss Samantha Carter, because he knows, whatever he does, he's not going to.
• 27:49
  Carmen Lezeth: No one's going to remember it in the next loop.
• 27:52
  Rick Costa: He's like, ah, screw it, come here.
• 27:54
  Carmen Lezeth: He resigns.
• 27:55
  Carmen Lezeth: He resigns to General Hammond, and then he just goes and he kisses her.
• 28:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Resigns to general hammond, and then he just goes and he kisses her, and it's oh my god, because that whole tension lasts for fucking 10 seasons.
• 28:05
  Rick Costa: the two of them like they never really get together one of the funniest scenes, too, was when he draws the face in the plane and we go right with the ketchup or whatever.
• 28:14
  Carmen Lezeth: That's still.
• 28:15
  Carmen Lezeth: That's window of opportunity, still, yeah, so that one is the top one.
• 28:18
  Carmen Lezeth: 1969, when they travel back in time.
• 28:21
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not one of my favorite ones, but remember, they end up going back in time and they meet the younger General Hammond.
• 28:27
  Carmen Lezeth: They're like in the 70s and they're in the hippie.
• 28:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it's well done.
• 28:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Not one of my favorites, though, let me see.
• 28:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Of course the classic is the Fifth Race.
• 28:36
  Carmen Lezeth: That is the quintessential Stargate SG-1.
• 28:40
  Carmen Lezeth: That's when Colonel Jack O'Neill gets his head stuck in the thing and then he ends up talking we think nonsense and gibberish, but he's actually talking the language of the ancients.
• 28:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, I really can't hear myself right now.
• 28:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't really hear myself.
• 28:59
  Carmen Lezeth: And he ends up meeting aliens.
• 29:03
  Carmen Lezeth: He ends up meeting the Asgard, who just you know what I'm thinking of.
• 29:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm thinking of when I was a kid and I used to see bullies hurt other kids, right, because they were talking this kind of geekdom.
• 29:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I just anyways, let me think the Lost City is another one Foothold.
• 29:20
  Carmen Lezeth: That's when they take over the SGC.
• 29:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what is your favorite episode?
• 29:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you have one?
• 29:25
  Rick Costa: I have another really good one.
• 29:26
  Rick Costa: This one had to do with time too, where aliens came and got rid of all disease and everything, but didn't tell everybody that they were sterilizing everybody.
• 29:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's the Ashen.
• 29:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, my God.
• 29:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I have to stop being surprised that I remember all this.
• 29:41
  Carmen Lezeth: And the episode is there's two episodes, but one of them is 2010.
• 29:45
  Carmen Lezeth: And that's another favorite episode.
• 29:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, Go ahead.
• 29:48
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I love that one.
• 29:49
  Rick Costa: That was really good and they could teleport instantly through a little mini gate, whatever, anywhere they wanted to go practically.
• 29:55
  Rick Costa: And I was like oh, wow.
• 29:56
  Rick Costa: So now we're like Star Trek level here, not just a Stargate to planet.
• 29:59
  Carmen Lezeth: What they did was they?
• 30:01
  Carmen Lezeth: There was two episodes that the Ashen were a part of.
• 30:04
  Carmen Lezeth: But 2010 is the one where we're in the future.
• 30:09
  Carmen Lezeth: We're way in the future even of the Stargate SG-1.
• 30:13
  Carmen Lezeth: And we have made a agreement with the Ashen and they have taken over our world.
• 30:20
  Carmen Lezeth: But they've provided us with longevity, with great health, like we have great medical miracles.
• 30:26
  Carmen Lezeth: There's no more cancer, they've eliminated famine, they've done all the things you would want, but they never told anybody what the truth was that they were doing.
• 30:35
  Carmen Lezeth: And what they actually did was they made women infertile, so they were eliminating birth rates.
• 30:42
  Carmen Lezeth: And what's her name?
• 30:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Samantha Carter finds out because she marries that other guy.
• 30:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's a great scene actually.
• 30:49
  Carmen Lezeth: So she marries that other guy who's a big wig in the White House or whatever, and she finds out that she is infertile.
• 30:55
  Carmen Lezeth: And then she turns around and she tells him and he's oh yeah, I know, they said they had to basically wipe out three percent of the human race in order for this to work.
• 31:04
  Carmen Lezeth: And she's livid and upset.
• 31:05
  Carmen Lezeth: And then her and Daniel Jackson come up with an idea to use the Stargate, send themselves a note to the past, like the way they ended up in the 1969 episode that they accidentally used a solar flare to go back in time.
• 31:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you following me?
• 31:26
  Rick Costa: Oh yeah, I remember it, I remember it.
• 31:28
  Carmen Lezeth: And they go to do that.
• 31:30
  Carmen Lezeth: And then her husband meets up with Jack in that room and they're trying to figure it out and he's oh I knew you had something to do with it.
• 31:37
  Carmen Lezeth: And then Jack is you could see the seethingness because Jack is in love with Samantha Carter and he's angry with her that she ended up marrying him.
• 31:51
  Carmen Lezeth: But that's the way it planned panned out.
• 31:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyways, fast forward.
• 31:52
  Carmen Lezeth: They ended up doing it.
• 31:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Jack ends up not making it through the Stargate to send the note, but then Samantha comes out of nowhere, even though her husband told her not to help.
• 32:00
  Carmen Lezeth: She gets the note through, it goes through through the time warp to the actual jack, samantha, general hammond and daniel jackson and tilk on the other side and they are able to change the timeline back to normal.
• 32:16
  Carmen Lezeth: But again, they don't know that they do right.
• 32:19
  Carmen Lezeth: It's one of those things that they do it, but they're not going to know that they did, but they think we're like.
• 32:23
  Rick Costa: This is jack's handwriting and the blood.
• 32:25
  Carmen Lezeth: There's blood on it too, and they go in and analyze it and stuff.
• 32:29
  Carmen Lezeth: So, yeah, oh, I don't know, do I want to air this podcast?
• 32:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I do love it, though.
• 32:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I love that show.
• 32:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what other show do you?
• 32:42
  Carmen Lezeth: What other movie not movies?
• 32:43
  Carmen Lezeth: What other episodes do you like?
• 32:45
  Rick Costa: Wasn't there one too, where sorry still stuck on Stargate where he tried to rescue his son?
• 32:51
  Rick Costa: Teal'c rescued his son from being inseminated with a symbiote, and all that I think.
• 32:57
  Carmen Lezeth: His son has a symbiote because he is a.
• 33:00
  Carmen Lezeth: What do they are?
• 33:02
  Carmen Lezeth: What are they?
• 33:02
  Carmen Lezeth: His son has a has a symbiote too, because they are whatever species.
• 33:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I can't believe.
• 33:08
  Carmen Lezeth: My geekdom just turned off because I had to be sophisticated for a moment.
• 33:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait, tilk and his son and his best friend, who we love, what are they?
• 33:19
  Carmen Lezeth: They?
• 33:19
  Carmen Lezeth: They're not the Tok'ra, they carry the symbiote for the gods, the gold.
• 33:25
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I just can't Now my mind's blank.
• 33:27
  Rick Costa: I can't think of it.
• 33:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't believe it.
• 33:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, go ahead.
• 33:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyways, we'll think of it.
• 33:32
  Rick Costa: Yeah, they had already started to develop a technology to free them of needing the symbiote, because once you take it out, you'll die right, your body's just adapted to it.
• 33:42
  Rick Costa: And so I think, if I'm not mistaken, tilk gave his son his, and then he used this new technology as an experiment to see would this really work?
• 33:51
  Rick Costa: Could he sustain?
• 33:52
  Carmen Lezeth: and it did work, thankfully oh, I think you're mixing two episodes together.
• 33:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Not to no wait a minute, I have to figure out.
• 34:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Hold on one second.
• 34:04
  Carmen Lezeth: What species is Teal'c Cause?
• 34:08
  Carmen Lezeth: It's killing me.
• 34:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't wait.
• 34:10
  Rick Costa: I know I'm going to be like.
• 34:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, oh, a Jaffa, a Jaffa.
• 34:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I would have never remembered that, but he is, he's a Jaffa.
• 34:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I just needed the J.
• 34:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I needed something, but I would have never remembered that I'm not as good as I thought I was.
• 34:22
  Carmen Lezeth: They end up getting that miracle drug from the Tokra Because remember, accidentally, there is another place of people that have taken the queen of the Tokra Do you remember that one?
• 34:38
  Carmen Lezeth: And they've been using her to create this thing that allows you not to age and have great skin and healthcare, whatever.
• 34:45
  Carmen Lezeth: They don't realize that it is the queen of the Tok'ra and that's how they get that.
• 34:50
  Carmen Lezeth: But when Tilk's son is dying, they use that even though they're not sure it's going to work.
• 34:58
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's what I'm saying.
• 34:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's two different places where they find the use for that.
• 35:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I think I don't know if I can correct you perfectly, actually, because I know which episode you're talking about, but they develop that in a different episode, but I think you're right, they probably first use it in that episode.
• 35:18
  Rick Costa: Yeah, and now they're dependent on it.
• 35:20
  Rick Costa: They have to have that drug all the time, and if they don't, which kind of sucks yeah, but they need the, but they can't live without the symbiote either.
• 35:29
  Rick Costa: So it's a right, but it's not a.
• 35:31
  Rick Costa: It's always there, so you know what.
• 35:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to take a thyroid pill now.
• 35:34
  Carmen Lezeth: So I ain't even feeling bad for the jaffa.
• 35:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just over it.
• 35:37
  Rick Costa: I I'm like the Jafar.
• 35:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to take a pill every day now because my thyroid is dead.
• 35:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Wow, that's so funny.
• 35:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I have trivia for you.
• 35:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's see how good you are at Star.
• 35:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Honey, I prepared baby.
• 35:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm all excited for this.
• 35:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I don't care how geeky it sounds, it's a fun conversation.
• 35:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you having fun so far?
• 36:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel bad.
• 36:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah for this.
• 36:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I don't care how geek it sounds, it's a fun conversation.
• 36:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you having fun so far?
• 36:01
  Rick Costa: I feel bad yeah, yeah, I'm nervous now don't be nervous, I think they're easy.
• 36:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't make hard ones.
• 36:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't make hard ones.
• 36:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what is the name where the stargate was originally discovered on earth?
• 36:12
  Carmen Lezeth: So the one in the movie then yeah sure, yeah sure, it's Egypt, giza, egypt.
• 36:23
  Carmen Lezeth: You know that one.
• 36:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I just confused you.
• 36:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, ready, okay, let's just go then.
• 36:27
  Rick Costa: Name the places I stink at Okay don't worry.
• 36:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Who is the leader of Stargate SG-1 at the start of the series?
• 36:34
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a trick question At the start of the series.
• 36:38
  Rick Costa: General Hammond came after right.
• 36:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Wasn't there somebody else there first, the leader of SG-1.
• 36:47
  Rick Costa: The leader of SG-1.
• 36:47
  Rick Costa: Individual yeah, each team is a different.
• 36:49
  Carmen Lezeth: My favorite character.
• 36:51
  Rick Costa: It's Colonel O'Neill.
• 36:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, that's right Okay.
• 36:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Don't think too hard on them.
• 36:55
  Carmen Lezeth: They're easy.
• 36:55
  Carmen Lezeth: They're easy.
• 36:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what device did the Goa'uld use to control their hosts?
• 37:06
  Carmen Lezeth: We just talked about that, the Gua'uld.
• 37:09
  Rick Costa: They use the.
• 37:10
  Rick Costa: What is the snake called?
• 37:11
  Rick Costa: Oh, the symbiote.
• 37:12
  Rick Costa: Okay, symbiote is a generic term, but I think there's another name.
• 37:15
  Rick Costa: Now I could be thinking deep again too much.
• 37:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Too deep.
• 37:19
  Carmen Lezeth: They said symbiote.
• 37:20
  Carmen Lezeth: The symbiote, that's what they use to control the hosts.
• 37:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, it's the symbiote, because the host is actually a person.
• 37:28
  Rick Costa: Yeah, because even in Star Trek, the Jadzia, for example.
• 37:32
  Rick Costa: She has a host.
• 37:33
  Rick Costa: She's a host for Jadzia in Deep Space Nine, star Trek.
• 37:36
  Rick Costa: But they had a Next Generation episode too, because Crusher was in love with this dude and he had a symbiote in him.
• 37:43
  Rick Costa: But then, when he died, they had to transfer it and she was in love with him.
• 37:47
  Rick Costa: But in their culture, when you die and you transfer the symbiote, you have to change the gender, because you need them to have a whole new life.
• 37:55
  Rick Costa: And so she now is coming to Crusher and she's like I still love you and she's like I ain't a lesbian.
• 38:02
  Rick Costa: What are you talking about?
• 38:04
  Rick Costa: This is weird.
• 38:05
  Rick Costa: What are you talking about?
• 38:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't, I don't.
• 38:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to be honest.
• 38:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I saw Deep Space Nine, I saw the one with.
• 38:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I saw all of them at least once.
• 38:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't mean one episode.
• 38:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I saw the series once, but I never really got into it.
• 38:22
  Rick Costa: With Janeway once, but I never really got into with jane away with scott bacula was a captain of one.
• 38:25
  Rick Costa: How do you say her name just jane?
• 38:26
  Rick Costa: Way, you want jane away captain.
• 38:30
  Carmen Lezeth: What did I say?
• 38:31
  Rick Costa: I said captain jane away, jane away.
• 38:34
  Rick Costa: That that series I like voyager a lot.
• 38:39
  Rick Costa: One of the most hated Star Trek episodes of all time was her and Paris were stuck on a planet and they devolved into some like lizard-like creatures and had babies.
• 38:51
  Rick Costa: No.
• 38:52
  Carmen Lezeth: And they were like this is the stupidest episode of the entire series ever.
• 38:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I vaguely remember that.
• 38:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I just remembered I didn't it just yeah, some series connect with you and others do that.
• 39:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I just remembered I didn't it just yeah, some series connect with you and others do not.
• 39:04
  Carmen Lezeth: That's all All right.
• 39:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Some more questions, all right, let's see who is the main antagonist that the SG1 team faces throughout much of the series, the Gwawult.
• 39:13
  Carmen Lezeth: We already know that.
• 39:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I already talked about the ancient.
• 39:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm trying to find one that you will easily know.
• 39:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I know you know them all, but it's like being put on the spot.
• 39:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I get it.
• 39:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Which SG-1 member possesses ancient knowledge?
• 39:27
  Carmen Lezeth: This is a trick.
• 39:28
  Rick Costa: Question O'Neal had it, what O'Neal had it from the machine.
• 39:35
  Rick Costa: But then also Daniel died and ascended, so he did too.
• 39:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Come on now.
• 39:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Preach, preach.
• 39:41
  Carmen Lezeth: That was the test.
• 39:42
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the test one.
• 39:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's see, oh, who plays the character Dr Janet Frazier in the series?
• 39:48
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the one I didn't like the most Terry Rothery.
• 39:51
  Rick Costa: I want to say her real name, because I don't know.
• 39:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Terry Rothery or something like that.
• 39:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I have it written here.
• 39:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not saying it right.
• 39:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I have it written here.
• 39:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not saying it right.
• 39:58
  Rick Costa: Rothaway, rothaway.
• 40:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Jane Away Rothaway.
• 40:05
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you say it, Captain Janeway?
• 40:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, it's Janeway.
• 40:11
  Rick Costa: Janeway.
• 40:12
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what's so funny?
• 40:13
  Carmen Lezeth: All my life I've said Janeaway.
• 40:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I thought it was Janeaway.
• 40:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, how are we going to connect the color purple and Star Trek?
• 40:24
  Carmen Lezeth: That's going to be weird.
• 40:24
  Rick Costa: We'll be Goldberg.
• 40:25
  Rick Costa: There you go, guinan.
• 40:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Guinan.
• 40:28
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
• 40:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me stop.
• 40:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to backtrack.
• 40:31
  Carmen Lezeth: My favorite character that I connect to would probably be Guinan.
• 40:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I would be Guinan on that show.
• 40:38
  Carmen Lezeth: That actually makes much more sense.
• 40:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I was saying I was a combination because I forgot about Guinan.
• 40:45
  Rick Costa: She was cool, yeah, especially when the time shift happened and they became totally different and she just kept saying something's wrong.
• 40:53
  Rick Costa: What do you mean?
• 40:53
  Rick Costa: Something, I don't know.
• 40:54
  Rick Costa: I just know something's wrong.
• 40:55
  Rick Costa: This is not right, this is not supposed to be.
• 40:57
  Rick Costa: You can explain it.
• 40:58
  Rick Costa: But that was cool, and that Q was afraid of her.
• 41:01
  Carmen Lezeth: She'd be like yeah, q had to be afraid of her because he kept pretending he was a God, but at the end of the day she was older than he was or whatever.
• 41:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Like she knew who he was and he tore her people apart.
• 41:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Q you look at that actor.
• 41:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I forget his real name, but that's a great actor Wow, I can't remember.
• 41:18
  Rick Costa: I believe I remember that.
• 41:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, what's it?
• 41:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Jonathan Lancy.
• 41:22
  Rick Costa: John Delancey.
• 41:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Delancey, that's right.
• 41:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Delancey, right Duh, oh, lancy, just kidding Jade, um great actor, because you hate him at the beginning, you hate him at the end, you hate him throughout the whole show.
• 41:42
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know, he makes especially picard better, yeah, and he actually saves them several times yeah, but he saves them for his own, because he has to be saved, because he gonna get in trouble but his fascination was with.
• 41:52
  Rick Costa: Picard was hilarious, but he's also fascinated with jane away.
• 41:56
  Rick Costa: I'm excuse me, jane way come.
• 41:58
  Rick Costa: Come on Kathy, because nobody called me Kathy.
• 42:01
  Carmen Lezeth: It's such a he's a great character, yeah, he was a great character.
• 42:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I forgot about Guinan.
• 42:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Did you like Star Trek Next Generation movies?
• 42:12
  Rick Costa: I don't know I could take they were alright mostly I like the original movies better like the Star Trek.
• 42:20
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean the original ones.
• 42:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I like the original movies better like the star trek.
• 42:22
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 42:22
  Rick Costa: the original ones yeah, I like the one too, where um for example.
• 42:26
  Rick Costa: I mean that's yeah, yeah, yeah, the one where what's his name?
• 42:30
  Rick Costa: That first developed the warp drive space flight.
• 42:34
  Rick Costa: What was his name?
• 42:35
  Rick Costa: Cochran zephyr cochran.
• 42:38
  Carmen Lezeth: He was um oh, yeah, yeah, the actor's great too.
• 42:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one too and deanna was drunk off her butt.
• 42:45
  Carmen Lezeth: That was hilarious and they go in the, they go in the space shuttle together or whatever, and they, yeah, and he's like drinking with all the music loud and yeah, that is a good one.
• 42:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, oh, and that's the one with alfre woodard she's in that and picard and yeah, that's a really good one too.
• 43:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, that's a good oh, I have to watch some of these now pretty much anything with the borg is good pretty much I know, although I didn't like when they humanized the borg right when what's his name, they called him um q no, it wasn't q, oh hugh, it connected him and he became self-aware, Like he knew he was an individual.
• 43:23
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, it was good, but it wasn't, and I don't know even when the series ended.
• 43:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's part of it right, because when we started watching Picard the show on streaming or whatever that's part of what ends up happening.
• 43:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Is, you realize, the Borg has never really left Picard.
• 43:37
  Carmen Lezeth: It never really leaves him.
• 43:39
  Carmen Lezeth: It's always a part of him.
• 43:40
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, look at either people are listening to this at this point.
• 43:43
  Carmen Lezeth: They're not, and they know already that Picard ends up becoming I don't know what the right word is Not a board, but he like data.
• 43:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, like data, right, he dies, but then doesn't, because he becomes artificial intelligence, basically.
• 43:58
  Carmen Lezeth: But it just dawned on me, that isn't that, it just hit me yeah, yeah, it's true that's what I love.
• 44:11
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what I love about sci-fi.
• 44:12
  Carmen Lezeth: If you again go back to 2001, a space odyssey you can see things there.
• 44:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Stanley kubrick, 1966, I think 1967, 1968 somewhere in there, for sure yeah, it was 66 67.
• 44:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I know it's one of those, but he created this movie and so many of those things have come to fruition today.
• 44:34
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what we're doing right now.
• 44:38
  Rick Costa: I told you when I watched it.
• 44:39
  Rick Costa: I was like if you'd ever told me that this was from the 1960s, I would never believe you.
• 44:43
  Rick Costa: There's no way, it's like how did he?
• 44:46
  Rick Costa: Do this back then.
• 44:48
  Carmen Lezeth: And I know it's hard for people to sit through the beginning, but there's a reason why at the beginning it makes more sense when you appreciate sci-fi, what he's trying to say with the apes.
• 44:58
  Carmen Lezeth: At the beginning it's just an incredible storyline.
• 45:02
  Carmen Lezeth: But that's what I love about it.
• 45:04
  Carmen Lezeth: And even now, when joking around saying that I want to be able to be like computer Earl gray guy, I do want that and I have to say I love my air fryer.
• 45:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I love my air fryer that I just bought, and I'm not saying it's AI, but it's pretty damn awesome, you know, and technology is incredible.
• 45:23
  Carmen Lezeth: And cell phones you saw how they were using cell phones or like zoom calls, and it's pretty fascinating cell phones or like zoom calls, and it's pretty fascinating.
• 45:34
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I had one of those first next telephones which flipped and you could.
• 45:36
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a walkie talkie and a phone.
• 45:37
  Rick Costa: Oh, that's funny you could, like I could.
• 45:38
  Rick Costa: My ex-wife had one too, so I could just go beep, beep, and she'd hear it.
• 45:41
  Rick Costa: She'd be like oh, he wants me.
• 45:43
  Rick Costa: So then she'd pick it up, beep, beep, beep, back to acknowledge and then we just start talking.
• 45:46
  Rick Costa: That's just so incredible.
• 45:49
  Carmen Lezeth: how do you you and I did warn you, I was going to ask you this question, but just to shift it to, kind of, because I have some thoughts on this too Like, how do you think sci-fi does or does not influence spirituality or faith or religion, just because that is what you do for a living?
• 46:04
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 46:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, how do you think it intersects?
• 46:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Not for the?
• 46:08
  Rick Costa: day.
• 46:08
  Rick Costa: But yeah, okay, do you think it intersects?
• 46:14
  Rick Costa: Not for the day?
• 46:14
  Rick Costa: But yeah, okay, part of who I am.
• 46:14
  Rick Costa: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, I remember when you you asked me like, how do you watch this when you're religious?
• 46:18
  Rick Costa: Don't, you doesn't it I'm like because to me it's all fantasy, it's like a separate thing, it's nothing to do with my reality.
• 46:24
  Rick Costa: That's again that, like I said in the beginning, it's my escape from reality.
• 46:28
  Rick Costa: That's why I like it, because it's completely disconnected from what's real, but I get to escape into that world for a while.
• 46:34
  Rick Costa: This is the rules of that world and this world has that rules and everything has its own thing.
• 46:39
  Rick Costa: Yeah, and I'm just, it's just.
• 46:41
  Carmen Lezeth: It's separation, I guess in my head, so it's compartmentalizing or whatever yeah I actually think that's a sad explanation though for you, because I Cause I think I mean I don't mean that in a bad way.
• 46:51
  Carmen Lezeth: You know I disagree with you, but I just feel like the thing that it does, is it not makes me question in a negative way, but the way in which, like, I mean Stargate SG-1, the way they handle gods right, they're actually, from my perspective, they're actually kind of saying that gods are not real, right, like the whole idea of the Gua'uld is that the Gua'ulds say that they're gods and they use all these powers and they put all these rules in place and they make you follow things and if you don't, blah, blah.
• 47:21
  Carmen Lezeth: And the interesting thing is that you see Stargate SG-1, the actual crew right, they're actually, they know that the gods are false.
• 47:32
  Carmen Lezeth: And Daniel Jackson being the scientist, he's the atheist in the group and even he realizes that these are fake gods.
• 47:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Real gods would never do this.
• 47:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 47:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I don't.
• 47:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I understand what you're saying, but for me I actually think it's the opposite.
• 47:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I think the way in which sci-fi influences spirituality or even technology, like just technology, it's not doing anything to dis, it's not all horror, like the hell at the end of 2001,.
• 48:01
  Carmen Lezeth: A space odyssey is a horrible outcome, but there are good things to technology too, and I think it expands that conversation right Because it presents us with the possibility.
• 48:13
  Carmen Lezeth: So I don't mean, I'm not dismissing what you said, I just disagree with you.
• 48:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it actually works in the other way, in that there are false gods all over the place, and that's what happens in Stargate SG-1 and in Star Trek.
• 48:27
  Carmen Lezeth: These are all false gods and you can tell because they have a symbiote, because they're evil, because they whatever they treat people this way, whatever there's something else and it's not this.
• 48:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Does that make sense?
• 48:41
  Rick Costa: Yeah, but also for me it's like my point of view, god is God Unlimited, can do anything.
• 48:49
  Rick Costa: No, I can't tell him nothing.
• 48:50
  Rick Costa: He made everything.
• 48:51
  Rick Costa: He's a creator, everything.
• 48:52
  Rick Costa: You can call yourself a God all day, but you ain't, in my view, god.
• 48:55
  Rick Costa: I don't care if you call yourself God, you ain't God.
• 48:58
  Rick Costa: So that's why I'm like yeah, they can call themselves God, but you ain't God.
• 49:01
  Rick Costa: Who are you trying to fool?
• 49:05
  Rick Costa: You can't do like yeah, oh my god, oh, yeah, it must be.
• 49:08
  Rick Costa: Look at all the stuff you could do.
• 49:09
  Rick Costa: Or today we're like no, son, I don't think so no, I totally get it, I totally understand that.
• 49:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I, I mean I, I understand the logic, you know I.
• 49:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if I again, you know this is a conversation we've always.
• 49:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if I agree with you to that extent, because to me, I I agree with you that there's probably something bigger, and that's why I like sci-fi, because no matter how much the imagination does what it does and they create these worlds that are just amazing.
• 49:37
  Carmen Lezeth: The thing about Stargate SG-1 that's so cool is just that portal allows these writers to create the most magnificent possibilities, right, endless storytelling from different.
• 49:49
  Carmen Lezeth: No matter how much you think of that, no matter how much you go there, I still don't think we're gonna ever understand what god actually is, and I think that's what sci-fi is saying even if sometimes it comes across as atheist, right?
• 50:01
  Carmen Lezeth: sometimes you can tell that the episodes are written by five different atheists in the room.
• 50:06
  Rick Costa: You can tell but the one cool aspect of just sci-fi in general is you can take the craziest idea and make it into a sci-fi show.
• 50:16
  Rick Costa: It's not crazy, because it's sci-fi yeah that's I know x.
• 50:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, you know I was addicted to x files, which is so weird because it really is more horror than not.
• 50:26
  Carmen Lezeth: It's psychological, but I used to watch that.
• 50:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Ask anyone.
• 50:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I went to college with star trek sg, not sg1, star trek next generation I don't write up combining shows.
• 50:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Star trek next generation and x files is what I was watching when I was in college, like o'neill and reicher go drinking together I know religiously, though it was like I was so into I was also videotaping it.
• 50:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I know I'm totally aging myself, but we were recording it on video so I wouldn't miss it.
• 50:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I had them.
• 50:58
  Carmen Lezeth: And then when I came out to los angeles by myself and I had one suitcase in a backpack, whatever I had four videos of like four vhs things, of my x files and star trek next generation, even though I didn't have a vcr, but I was taking them with me so you eventually don't get one I did end up getting one, though I did, but it's just so funny how I remember I gotta take this with me because it's such good, you know.
• 51:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean like I'll figure it out, but oh man, that was I think it's just.
• 51:30
  Rick Costa: It's all about possibilities, endless possibilities and hope for the future.
• 51:36
  Rick Costa: You know that, okay, things might be rough right now, but there's a possibility.
• 51:42
  Rick Costa: Look what we can be one day If we come together.
• 51:47
  Rick Costa: Stop fighting, stop being jerks and put our resources together and really work together as humans to make things better for real, without egos, without pride, and everybody not be selfish.
• 51:59
  Rick Costa: Well, without fear right, yeah, that too, but humans are humans.
• 52:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I mean, I think when we look at AI, I've never seen a clearer explanation of how ridiculous humans behave with something that they don't know.
• 52:14
  Carmen Lezeth: We see that all the time when it comes to people or cultures, right, Racism and whatever.
• 52:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, so you're not like me, blah, blah, blah.
• 52:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't like you.
• 52:24
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I act and behave badly around you right, so we see that clearly.
• 52:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Behave badly around you, right?
• 52:32
  Carmen Lezeth: So we see that clearly.
• 52:33
  Carmen Lezeth: But what's really interesting to me is watching each other and kind of understanding how we function with each other.
• 52:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I just lost my train of thought for a moment because I was going off on a tangent.
• 52:44
  Carmen Lezeth: What were you saying before for a minute?
• 52:47
  Rick Costa: About the possibility of what we could do if we stop fighting each other and really ai I was talking about ai.
• 52:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry.
• 52:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you so much.
• 52:56
  Carmen Lezeth: The thing that happens is like when you see people come together and see something new that they don't understand.
• 53:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Fear takes over first, and the intention of every person that's been working on AI I don't want to, because I try to believe in the best in people is not like they're trying to do this so that they can take my information.
• 53:16
  Carmen Lezeth: They can screw me over.
• 53:17
  Carmen Lezeth: They can do this whatever.
• 53:18
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 53:19
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like.
• 53:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Ai is here.
• 53:21
  Carmen Lezeth: You can fear it.
• 53:22
  Carmen Lezeth: That's one option.
• 53:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Or you can try to understand how it can work for you, but we see that for you, but we see that right.
• 53:33
  Carmen Lezeth: And humans?
• 53:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I hate to admit it, but we seem to be guided by fear all the time.
• 53:35
  Rick Costa: First and foremost, I can think of a not too long ago example, but we honestly didn't know what was going to happen, but nothing happened.
• 53:42
  Rick Costa: Y2k, oh my God.
• 53:44
  Rick Costa: Fear with Y2K, oh my God.
• 53:47
  Carmen Lezeth: So did nothing happen because we prepared for it, or did nothing happen and we prepared for it anyway?
• 53:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a weird question, right?
• 53:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 53:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Very few devices stopped working right, I know but it wasn't our devices that were a big deal.
• 54:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I do agree with you that we were scared to death about it.
• 54:04
  Carmen Lezeth: It's kind of like when there's like a big hurricane and they're like no, this is the one you have to leave.
• 54:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I know I'm here on the West Coast and I'm always like, why do people live where they live, with all these tornadoes and earthquakes?
• 54:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Because the way they make it sound is they're just going to wipe you out tomorrow.
• 54:19
  Carmen Lezeth: You all better board up now and it's okay, but better safe than sorry.
• 54:23
  Carmen Lezeth: But again, we live in this.
• 54:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know why, but I always feel like humans are guided by fear.
• 54:29
  Carmen Lezeth: First, I think it's a.
• 54:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Really I don't know why I'm not a scientist to know but most people do things out of fear.
• 54:37
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'll say that.
• 54:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll say, like, for me, when I moved out here by myself, it was out of fear.
• 54:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't want to go back where I grew up.
• 54:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't want and I wasn't going to stay in Vermont no offense, but not where I wanted to ever be.
• 54:49
  Carmen Lezeth: But I wasn't going to stay in Vermont no offense, but not where I wanted to ever be.
• 54:51
  Carmen Lezeth: But out of fear, I was like, no, I need to move, I need to go somewhere.
• 54:54
  Carmen Lezeth: But that was a good thing, because I took fear and then I just jumped and leaped.
• 54:57
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean and I'm glad I did.
• 54:59
  Carmen Lezeth: But I feel like fear is usually a negative thing and then we push away from it.
• 55:06
  Rick Costa: It can be good and it can be bad.
• 55:08
  Rick Costa: It can be protective, fight or flight, but then also it can be crippling, where you can do something, but you're too scared so you do nothing, which is no good.
• 55:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think the thing that we know for sure is when you think about these environments whether it's Star Trek Next Generation or Stargate SG-1.
• 55:29
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not based on fear, it's based on curiosity.
• 55:34
  Carmen Lezeth: What's beautiful about the human spirit is that if we could get back to there, if we could be more curious, then maybe we could get to a place where we would stop being so fearful of each other and hating on each other and instead try to find a way to work through things.
• 55:48
  Carmen Lezeth: But that takes a level of curiosity that I don't think most people have.
• 55:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I really don't think most people have curiosity.
• 55:57
  Rick Costa: SG1 is a great example, because when they would go to a new place they didn't know, they would send in what they call the MELP whatever that little robot machine.
• 56:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, the MELP, m-a-l-p-f-a what it stood for.
• 56:10
  Rick Costa: But it just went so far.
• 56:11
  Rick Costa: You don't know what else is there, so they fearlessly went anyway.
• 56:13
  Rick Costa: Okay, seems safe, let's go.
• 56:14
  Rick Costa: But you don't know who's there, you don't know who's going to kill you.
• 56:18
  Carmen Lezeth: The reason why they sent the map through was to see if it had the right atmosphere and if it could sustain oxygen, whatever, but it always cracked me up because it was always another forest in Canada, like a different angle of the same part.
• 56:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, once you start watching the show over and over again, you can see the set design.
• 56:37
  Carmen Lezeth: It's so funny, yeah.
• 56:40
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, it's the same idea, though.
• 56:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You're absolutely right.
• 56:43
  Carmen Lezeth: You, you throw that rock out there first and you see, okay, I guess it's okay to go, but I'm not sure.
• 56:51
  Carmen Lezeth: And then you go anyways and you got to figure it out.
• 56:55
  Rick Costa: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
• 56:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but I don't know how do you fix that in this world that we're in right now.
• 57:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what the answer is, but I do know I love watching shows that give me hope, and I think that's what sci-fi is.
• 57:09
  Rick Costa: There's so many shows, my gosh, I can't even think of all the ones that I've watched.
• 57:13
  Rick Costa: I would have to look for a list and see did I watch this one?
• 57:17
  Rick Costa: Ding ding, ding, ding ding.
• 57:18
  Carmen Lezeth: It'd be easier to talk about the ones you didn't watch yet.
• 57:20
  Carmen Lezeth: So is there any last words you'd like to say about sci-fi in general?
• 57:25
  Carmen Lezeth: As a as a Gen X-er.
• 57:29
  Rick Costa: If you don't like sci-fi, no, just kidding.
• 57:31
  Carmen Lezeth: If you don't like sci-fi, hmm no.
• 57:34
  Rick Costa: I can't be your friend.
• 57:34
  Rick Costa: No, just kidding.
• 57:35
  Rick Costa: And then you got the Star Trek, Star Wars animosity, but that's a whole nother thing.
• 57:40
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a whole other show some other day.
• 57:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, no, I don't even know if it's animosity.
• 57:56
  Rick Costa: It's just fun to me it's just fun.
• 57:58
  Rick Costa: It's a fun, it's an escape, it's hope, it's possibility, it's can we get there one day?
• 58:03
  Carmen Lezeth: hope so if anyone is listening to this, who's gotten this far, thank you for listening.
• 58:08
  Carmen Lezeth: For those of you who are solid sci-fi geeks I know you listen to the whole thing you could find Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Next Generation.
• 58:17
  Carmen Lezeth: They should be free on most any streaming service that you're using.
• 58:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, pluto's a big one and you can find it free there, and I just watched two episodes this morning because I wanted to.
• 58:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, and enjoy, and I guess I would just say they are about hope for me.
• 58:36
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why I like them, but it's also the genre I enjoy.
• 58:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I don't enjoy horror and maybe for horror, that's what it does for Cynthia, I have no idea.
• 58:44
  Carmen Lezeth: But thank you for listening and, again, we'll be back here on Thursday.
• 58:50
  Carmen Lezeth: In the live stream you can always find the podcast.
• 58:53
  Carmen Lezeth: It drops on Sunday mornings at 6 am Eastern and, yeah, at the end of the day.
• 58:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Remember, it really is all about the joy.
• 59:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, rick.
• 59:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye, thanks for stopping by.
• 59:08
  Carmen Lezeth: All About the Joy.
• 59:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Be better and stay beautiful.
• 59:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Folks.
• 59:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.