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CLASSIC: San Francisco's Egg War · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Don't call it a comeback ridiculous historians, or wait, please
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  Speaker 1: do because this is our weekly classics episode. How much
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  Speaker 1: would you pay for an egg?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, can't be, can't cost more than what? One hundred dollars?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's an egg, Michael, what could it be? Ten bucks? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Eggie Weggs. Remember that you've seen Pluck clockwork Orange. I
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  Speaker 2: always loved it when he talks about Eggie Wegs. It's
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  Speaker 2: so cute sounding. And there they are cute little fellas,
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  Speaker 2: aren't they little? You know, very egg like? What would
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  Speaker 2: you call that spherracle? Not really, it's really egg shaped.
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  Speaker 2: People's people refer stuff as being egg shaped ovial avu ovular,
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  Speaker 2: which does in and of itself that the etymology of
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  Speaker 2: that is egg over ova ovo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we're asking in this classic episode, how
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  Speaker 1: much would you pay for an egg? Also, Max, give
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  Speaker 1: me some traumatic music.
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  Speaker 2: Dramatic music.
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  Speaker 1: What's you're cute way?
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  Speaker 2: Some guys said, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: given the option of no eggs, Yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: had a hard boil I've I've been finally grown up man.
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  Speaker 2: I like hard boiled eggs. Now I think I might
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  Speaker 2: try deviling them one of these days. I have always
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  Speaker 2: been anti deviled eggs because of them, both the egg
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  Speaker 2: and the Mayo content, both of which I have grown
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  Speaker 2: to like. I kind of like Mayo now, so maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's hey, listen, let's not ruin this. I've come so far.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ruin eggy eggs for me.
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco's egg Wark.
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  Speaker 2: It's a thing, Dude, Eggers like, not not David Eggers,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the writer or the filmmaker. There's two Eggers.
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  Speaker 2: I always get them confused. But yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 2: thing people risking life and limb to, you know, basically
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  Speaker 2: spulunk hillside, you know, on the side of these serious
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  Speaker 2: cliffs to do something a little sketch, if we're being honest,
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  Speaker 2: which is to steal eggs out of the nests of
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  Speaker 2: sea birds. I think in a lot of these situations, right,
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  Speaker 2: I think you are correct. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. This is Ridiculous History,
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  Speaker 1: a show based in Atlanta, a city that loves brunch.
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  Speaker 1: I promise I'm going somewhere with this. Hi, my name
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  Speaker 1: is Ben.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Noel, and Ben egg me up before
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  Speaker 2: you go go.
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  Speaker 1: There, we go there we go, Lego my egg go.
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  Speaker 2: Give me back my eggs.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well after the show, you'll.
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  Speaker 2: Pry these eggs from my cold dead hands.
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  Speaker 1: Eggs. Right, when you think of brunch or when you
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  Speaker 1: think of breakfast, you typically think of a few things,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the main stars of the breakfast pantheon
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the humble, ubiquitous egg. Are you
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  Speaker 1: an egg.
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  Speaker 2: Fan, Benedict Florentine omelet scrambled, a poached egg fan of
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  Speaker 2: recent times and not like a good old boiled egg myself,
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  Speaker 2: So yes, yes, I am an enthusiast.
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  Speaker 1: You're an enthusiast nol. Earlier before we hopped on air
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  Speaker 1: for this episode, we were talking about the type of
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  Speaker 1: food preparation known as deviling, right, you were, and we
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  Speaker 1: had to look it up because it's strange when you
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  Speaker 1: think of deviled eggs or deviled ham, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: curious story for that, but that is not the subject
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  Speaker 1: of today's episode. Today's episode hinges upon the importance of
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  Speaker 1: eggs and you being an enthusiast right bit of an egghead.
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  Speaker 1: You've been in situations where you have to wait in
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  Speaker 1: line for brunch or something, but you're not the type
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  Speaker 1: of guy to fight over an egg, are you.
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  Speaker 2: I also very rarely will wait in line for anything.
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  Speaker 2: If the line's too long, I'm moving on in the line.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's the words I live by. But no,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you notice how whenever there's a
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  Speaker 2: storm here, especially like a snowstorm, what's the first thing
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  Speaker 2: to go in the grocery stores?
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  Speaker 1: They run through the dairy and the bakery.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle, and the bread, the eggs, and the milk,
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  Speaker 2: food staples, and back in San Francisco, California, during the
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  Speaker 2: gold Rush time in the early eighteen fifties, a really
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  Speaker 2: really really important staple food, a very very crucial source
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  Speaker 2: of protein during a time where that was very scarce
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  Speaker 2: because the gold Rush brought out thousands and thousands of
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  Speaker 2: prospectors to San Francisco, which at the time was a
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  Speaker 2: relatively small city that just did not have the infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: or the resources to support those people.
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  Speaker 1: Right because the niners as they were often called, these
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  Speaker 1: gold rush prospectors were coming from across the country to
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  Speaker 1: gamble on the chance of striking it big by discovering
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  Speaker 1: a vein of gold. And as we know now, it's
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  Speaker 1: true that some people did find gold. Most did not.
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  Speaker 1: We should be very clear about that. But as NOL
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  Speaker 1: has begun to paint the picture for us here, what
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  Speaker 1: they all found was a very difficult environment to live in.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of people asking for
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  Speaker 1: the same resources, and as we've seen in other historical instances,
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  Speaker 1: this triggers inflation. This trigger's price gouging. The otherwise humble
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  Speaker 1: food stuff known as the egg, available throughout the country
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  Speaker 1: everywhere else, became a relatively rare and high priced commodity.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, like you say, you know, everyone wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to strike it rich. In fact, most didn't. In an
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  Speaker 2: article from the San Francisco Gate by Gary Kimia, he
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  Speaker 2: describes as phenomenon as that there was more money to
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  Speaker 2: be made from quote mining the miners than from actual prospecting. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to fill that demand, little food huts, kind
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  Speaker 2: of fly by none operations came up overnight, and all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of different businesses sprung up in order to capitalize
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  Speaker 2: on this boom. And one thing they needed were cooking ingredients.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and there's an excellent article by Emmily and Rude
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  Speaker 1: writing over at time called the worst that can happen
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  Speaker 1: when egg prices get too high. In this article, she
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  Speaker 1: discusses some of the specifics and nuts and bolts of
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  Speaker 1: this skyrocketing food situation. One of the primary commodities that
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  Speaker 1: shot up in value was the egg, and it rose
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  Speaker 1: to the price of a dollar per egg in the
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  Speaker 1: eighteen fifties, which is crazy expensive now, but let's consider
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  Speaker 1: that in our time, that's roughly the equivalent of thirty
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  Speaker 1: dollars per an egg.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I don't think I could ever want an egg
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  Speaker 2: that much.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't, you know. I don't know what I
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  Speaker 1: would do with it. I would feel bad eating it.
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  Speaker 1: I would feel like I have to put it in
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  Speaker 1: a like a box or a terrarium. But I ans.
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  Speaker 2: We have to remember here too, this was not the
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  Speaker 2: price was not that way because it was necessarily a delicacy.
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  Speaker 2: There just weren't enough to go around, so it was
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  Speaker 2: a scarcity.
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  Speaker 1: Issue mm hmm. And there was still a good shipping
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  Speaker 1: infrastructure in place at the time, so eggs were being
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  Speaker 1: shipped in by the millions from across the Pacific, even
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  Speaker 1: all the way from the East coast, and it still
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  Speaker 1: was not enough to satiate the teeming mass of people there,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why San Francisco eventually turned its eyes west
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  Speaker 1: to the islands of the Pacific, to a very specific island.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. There is an island, or a system of islands,
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  Speaker 2: just about thirty miles outside of the Golden Gate in
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco called the Farolons, and they are actually the
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  Speaker 2: site of the largest colony of sea birds anywhere in
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  Speaker 2: the contiguous United States. And those birds are the common mures.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the common mrs are the star of today's show.
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  Speaker 1: The The islands themselves are home to a little less
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  Speaker 1: than four hundred different species of birds, and the birds
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  Speaker 1: at this time were doing quite well because during the
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  Speaker 1: maritime fur trade, Russian sealers seal hunters got rid of
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority of the mammals that would be there. Right,
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  Speaker 1: that's right.
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  Speaker 2: But still to this day these islands are home to
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  Speaker 2: tons of different marine creatures, sea lions, elephant seal which
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  Speaker 2: can grow to be the size of like a van,
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  Speaker 2: and swimming around the edges you got great white sharks, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and whales, which I think would be so cool to
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  Speaker 2: see in person. There's actually an article in the New
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  Speaker 2: York Times where Bonnie Sui takes a whale watching expedition
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  Speaker 2: out to these islands and spots all kinds of fantastic wildlife.
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  Speaker 2: The islands were called the Devil's Teeth back in the
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  Speaker 2: early eighteen fifties by sailors, and that's because they were
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  Speaker 2: particularly treacherous and they caused quite a few shipwrecks. And
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  Speaker 2: it's true these are very intense, jagged looking cliffs. I
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  Speaker 2: think the highest point is almost three hundred feet And
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  Speaker 2: they were actually formed between eighty to one hundred million
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  Speaker 2: years ago when the Pacific plate collided with the North
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  Speaker 2: American plate. And they weren't always islands, they eventually drifted
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  Speaker 2: and became islands because of plate tectonic activity. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: they were largely responsible for blocking the view of the
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco Harbor to Spanish galleons that would sail through
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  Speaker 2: there for over two hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, thankfully, we'll give you a spoiler alert here,
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  Speaker 1: friends and neighbors. Now, thankfully the marine mammals have made
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  Speaker 1: a return to the island. But in the mad eighteen
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  Speaker 1: hundreds this population was in serious trouble, which was good
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  Speaker 1: in the short term for the birds. It was literally
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  Speaker 1: for the birds of the time I was waiting on
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  Speaker 1: that one. And so Noel's let's go back to what
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned. Specifically, we're looking at a bird called the
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  Speaker 1: common mure m rr. It's an auc a uk. This
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  Speaker 1: large auc sits upright on sea cliffs, and people will
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  Speaker 1: describe it as the northern version of a penguin. And
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  Speaker 1: we've got some pretty we've got some pretty cool info
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  Speaker 1: on it, courtesy of the good folks over at Audubon
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  Speaker 1: dot org, nol and I and our super producer, Casey Pegrin.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe we forgot to shut them out at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. No, it's cool. We saved it. We saved it.
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  Speaker 1: We say it's a cold open. So these these birds,
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  Speaker 1: according to this stuff we were watching before we went
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  Speaker 1: into the studio today, they look kind of awkward on land.
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  Speaker 1: Not a pun, but it could be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's sort of like these unwieldy penguin like creatures
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  Speaker 2: and they do fly pretty poorly. They're much better at
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  Speaker 2: swimming and diving to catch fish. And they nest on
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  Speaker 2: these really really steep and slippery cliffs on the side
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  Speaker 2: of these islands, and it's really a thing to behold.
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  Speaker 2: Ben there are thousands and thousands of them nesting in
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  Speaker 2: really close quarters on these super treacherous cliffs. Not very
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  Speaker 2: comfortable situation at.
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  Speaker 1: All, right, right, and not particularly inviting to us humans
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  Speaker 1: unless we are driven there out of desperation. In these nests,
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  Speaker 1: most importantly, they have eggs. They typically have one egg,
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  Speaker 1: and the incubation period is about twenty eight to thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven days. After that, the young when they're born, they
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  Speaker 1: leave the nest between fifteen and twenty five days later.
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  Speaker 1: The eggs themselves, however, are very interesting and they do
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  Speaker 1: not look in any way related to the chicken eggs
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  Speaker 1: that were so common and so familiar to the San
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  Speaker 1: Franciscans of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, they're about twice as big, and
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  Speaker 2: they are oddly pointed on one end.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they are puriform, which is the word we learn
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  Speaker 1: for today's episode.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't know that one ben, it's.
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  Speaker 1: What it sounds like. On the ten. It's that slightly rounded,
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  Speaker 1: pure midlight top. They look like cone heads. Yeah, the cones.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they look like. But they're also quite beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: They are speckle, they can be light blue, and apparently
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  Speaker 2: some ornithologists believe that each one had a unique speckled
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  Speaker 2: pattern that allowed them to be identified by the parent.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're nesting in such close quarters, if they didn't
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  Speaker 2: have some distinguishing factor, it might be hard for them
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  Speaker 2: to know which egg belonged to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks kind of like a Jackson Pollock painting,
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  Speaker 1: and I think a new one on every egg. And
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I were both surprised when we
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  Speaker 1: learned that there had been intense research into the reasoning
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  Speaker 1: behind this egg shape and design. So originally people believe
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  Speaker 1: the shape of the egg was an adaptation to prevent
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  Speaker 1: it from rolling off the cliff.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and that sort of evolved over time. It
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  Speaker 2: was debunked in the mid nineteen hundreds when naturalists believe
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  Speaker 2: that the egg's shape would allow it to roll in
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  Speaker 2: the perfect arc that would keep it from tumbling off
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  Speaker 2: of the cliffs, like you said. But then a British
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  Speaker 2: ornithologist named Tim Burkehead published a study Leaven twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 2: that sort of debunked that one. He says, it's a
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  Speaker 2: combination of cleanliness and protection. Because the common mirrors are
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  Speaker 2: such horrible, horrible, ghastly flyers. They can careen into other nests,
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  Speaker 2: and his theory is that the shape allows it to
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  Speaker 2: make better contact with the ground, therefore offering more protection
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  Speaker 2: against potential collisions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, increasing surface area. And we should mention that this ornithologist,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Burkhead, has studied mirrors for forty four years.
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  Speaker 2: He knows his mirrors.
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  Speaker 1: He's the Mrror guy. I always have so much respect
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  Speaker 1: for someone who has a specific area of expertise, and
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  Speaker 1: he's almost fifty years into the burg game man. He
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  Speaker 1: also has some great points. I appreciate that you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: cleanliness because, as he's quoted in this article from Audubon,
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  Speaker 1: the other feature of mir breeding ledges, says Burckhead, is
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  Speaker 1: that they are invariably filthy. Sometimes it's like going into
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  Speaker 1: a pig sty.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a toilet, it's like a mountain toilet.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of things, but they wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: great roommates these mirrors. He says that the guano and
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  Speaker 1: dirt that encrust an incubating egg can clog up the
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  Speaker 1: pores that allow chicks to breathe and also cause infection.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when he found that it wasn't just the
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  Speaker 1: rough shape of the egg, but It was also the
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  Speaker 1: concentration of pores and where they occur. The greatest concentration
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  Speaker 1: of pores from your egg is around the egg's large
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  Speaker 1: blunt end, and it's raised above the ground by that
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  Speaker 1: downward angle tip.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we've derailed ourselves with some really fascinating stuff about
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  Speaker 2: the science behind these creatures and their eggs, and a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about these islands.
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  Speaker 1: But what was the deal ben with.
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  Speaker 2: The situation the scarcity of eggs that caused folks to
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  Speaker 2: rave these treacherous waters and these slippery slopes to get
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  Speaker 2: those delectable eggs.
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  Speaker 1: So this is where the entrepreneurial spirit kicks in. Six
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  Speaker 1: men decided to profit from these eggs that were just
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  Speaker 1: a little less than thirty miles off the coast. In
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  Speaker 1: eighteen fifty one, they sailed to the Farallon Islands. They
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  Speaker 1: decided that they owned the islands. They gave themselves ownership.
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  Speaker 2: Just you can do that, you could, apparently, I guess
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  Speaker 2: you just got to like defend it, right, which which
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Right right. They gave themselves company shares and they started
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  Speaker 1: attempting to take these eggs, with the intention being to
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  Speaker 1: sell them in San Francisco despite their strange appearance. Oh
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  Speaker 1: and we almost forgot the coolest part about the eggs.
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  Speaker 1: The blood red yoke.
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  Speaker 2: Blood red yolk and apparently a slight fishy taste. But
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  Speaker 2: it hit like gangbusters because apparently the chickens, what little
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  Speaker 2: there were in San Francisco, were eaten, so there were
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  Speaker 2: no more hens to lay eggs, So this was a
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  Speaker 2: really big deal. They had a source relatively close by,
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  Speaker 2: although a treacherous trip to get there and to get
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  Speaker 2: him back, and the guy that that headed up this
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  Speaker 2: expedition was a guy by the name of Doc Robinson,
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  Speaker 2: and he was a pharmacist and he and his crew
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  Speaker 2: made this journey and described it as being a hellish
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  Speaker 2: experience and decided they were not going to do it again.
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  Speaker 2: But they would, you know, start a company and hire
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  Speaker 2: people to do it for them. And that was the
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  Speaker 2: impetus for the Egg Company.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs of creativity.
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  Speaker 2: It's also been called the Pacific Egg Company Ink Pacific
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  Speaker 2: Egg Company, Incorporated. But it was the first of its
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  Speaker 2: kind and it very quickly bred kind of copycats that
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  Speaker 2: were like, Hey, you can't own a whole island that's
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  Speaker 2: not your island, and we're gonna come.
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  Speaker 1: At you, right. Rival firms began to rise to the
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  Speaker 1: marketplace these At the beginning, the egg company was doing
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  Speaker 1: quite well. As Noel said, they were going like gangbusters.
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  Speaker 1: They were climbing up these stiff, sleek cliffs and then
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  Speaker 1: they were getting swarmed by all the birds there. Then
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  Speaker 1: they would gather the freshest eggs in really brutal way.
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  Speaker 1: They would stomp on the ones that were days old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that they would have to lay a new
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  Speaker 2: eggs because, like you were saying, these birds typically only
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  Speaker 2: lay one egg per season, but you know when you
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  Speaker 2: smash it, they're gonna lay another. One My favorite part
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  Speaker 2: about this, and try to imagine this, folks, they had
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  Speaker 2: these special shirts called egg shirts with egg pockets, and
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  Speaker 2: so you got these pictures of these guys with eggs
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  Speaker 2: stuffed in their shirts. And I found a picture actually
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  Speaker 2: from a newspaper from a Richmond, Virginia newspaper from a
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  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety five and it shows a man falling to
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  Speaker 2: his death while having one of these bizarre looking egg
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  Speaker 2: shirts on. He just looks totally I don't know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of misshapen and bloated with eggs all the while while
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  Speaker 2: these common mirrors are looking on completely disinterestedly.
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  Speaker 1: Yet the demand alone egged them on in this dangerous mission.
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  Speaker 1: I do not apologize for I'm going to have to someone.
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  Speaker 2: You must be stopped too.
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  Speaker 1: Late, man, I'm holding your hostage. I have all the eggs.
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  Speaker 1: So by the early eighteen sixties they did have not
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  Speaker 1: just some rival firms, but serious competition. And as we
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  Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, the egg company's claim on these islands
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  Speaker 1: was pretty dodgy, tentative at best, because just four years later,
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  Speaker 1: President James Buchanan had solidified the federal government's claimed to
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  Speaker 1: the land for a lighthouse. So they were going up
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  Speaker 1: against the Feds, and it all came to a head
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  Speaker 1: on a summer day in eighteen sixty three.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Just to add a little point of clarity, they were
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: kind of little zones in these islands, and some had
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: more of the eggs than others. True northern part was
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: considered far less productive in terms of eggs and was
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: a lot more treacherous, and doctor Robinson's egg company occupied
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the less treacherous, more productive part of the island. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: there was a group of interlopers, shall we say, largely
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Italian in Greek.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Folks independent Italian eggers. They were originally called.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly, they were independent Italian And there's an interesting political
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: side note on this that we'll get to to a second.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: But they row up Doctor Robinson's folks yell at them saying,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you know, they says something like land at your own
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: peril or something like that, to which these interlopers respond
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that they were going to land in spite of hell.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: And then they returned the next day to give that
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: a shot.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And the paper loved this. The papers were calling it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a war in earnest at the Farolons. We have a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: quote from here at seven o'clock yesterday morning, they tried
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to land, this being the Italians and the Greeks, but
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: were warned off by the foremen of the egg company
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and five other employees. The latter say that the Italians
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: then commenced firing on the Americans. Several volleys were exchanged.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Edward Perkins, one of the Americans on shore, was shot
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: through the stomach and died in a few minutes. Thereafter
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a number of Italians were seen to fall into the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: boat simultaneously with the firing on shore, which is strange
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: because we can feel some racial tension or some ethnic
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: tension that the paper is putting in there. Ultimately two
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: men were killed in the conflict, one on each side,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: so one of the egg company members and one of
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the Italian eggers. The leader of the independent folks, the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: one who most probably said we're going to land here
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: in spite of hell, was ultimately convicted of murder and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: sent up the river to the state prison for a year.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Just a year, just a year, which makes you makes
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you wonder. And this, even this did not stop the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: demand for these eggs, which were also that yoke was
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: twice the size of a chicken egg.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: So it was pretty nutritious, a lot of bang for
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: your buck, but pretty pricey, like you're saying earlier, with
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the inflation rate, putting in about thirty bucks an egg,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: although you could get a dozen for a dollar in
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: certain circumstances. But because of the work that it took
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: to get these things, and like you know, people did
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: fall to their deaths to the great white shark infested waters,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: no one was going to part with these things for
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: any less than top dollar. There is a really fantastic
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: comic that a writer and illustrator from San Francisco named
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Eva Chris anth wrote on her blog Farrell on egg
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: war dot blogspot dot com. She's got all kinds of
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: really great chronicler of this whole story. Yeah, and she
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: talks about that racial tension. She has a panel that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: this describes three different men. What kind of man would
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: risk his life for a seabird egg? She asks, you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: want to read a couple? Yeah, let's read a couple.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: The first one says this, It's got a picture of
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: his man mustachioed, a fair haired man. And this is
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the speech Bubble says, Like many other Northern Italians and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the years before unification, I fled the forced conscription of
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the Austrian army. Instead I fought alongside Garibaldi in Brazil democracy.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I was a fool. Now I see the democracy as
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: just an illusion, like justice, salvation and gold. For how
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: many men will realize such riches? From Brazil? I took
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a job on a whaling ship, the most beastial work
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: on earth besides this, and when gold was found in California,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: our ship came here.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And this is coming specifically from a blog in reaction
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to an earlier NPR piece by the Kitchen Sisters that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: details the war. This blog piece from August twenty sixteen
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: is called what MPR left Out.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Because she was actually interviewed in that piece for two
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: hours and feels like the Kitchen Sister's piece, which is
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: really cool and richly sound design, is really really interesting.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: It does leave out this racial angle entirely.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Right right, and it's a very important part of the story.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So our second person says he has a larger mustache,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: darker hair. He says, I fought for Greek independence from Turkey,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and we did free ourselves into hunger, chaos and a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: corrupt Bavarian monarchy in Athens. If you only knew what
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a mess Europe is now, and all because of man.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But now, in this strange new land, rich in water,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: rich in animal life, rich impossibility, I finally feel free here,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I dream again. Am I wrong to feel hope? And
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: we have one other paneling.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: The last one is a clean shaven man with a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: nice pork pie hat kind of situation. He says that
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: this is really sad. He says, the tax collector in
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Medina tightened up its grip on my farm and my family.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: They finally seized the land the day after my son
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: died malaria. My wife went mad and stabbed the tax collector.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Then she took her own life. I do not know
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: what will happen to me in California, but I pray
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that it does not get worse, because trust me, things
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: can always get worse. And what this comic and most
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: of the content on this blog is really about is
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the fact that these men that were a working for
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the egg company in the first place, or going independent,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: trying to go independent and fight against the egg company
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: and their dominance, their stranglehold over this island, they were
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: just desperate and willing to do the work.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, because you will hear differing opinions
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: from various historians and researchers on the nature of these eggmen,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: these eggers. As recently as two thousand and five, an
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: author named Susan Casey described the Eggmen as mafioso in
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: her book The Devil's Teeth. This seems like more of
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a subjective belief rather than something's backed up with primary documentation, because,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: as chrisanth points out, there was not a mafia presence
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: in California for nearly a century, and in the early
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, most of the immigrants to San Francisco who
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: came from Italy, came from northern Italy, which did not
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: have a mafia. That's right.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And the thing is like this egg war, it's not
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: really referring to this one battle. I mean, the battle
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: was kind of like it bubbled over and there was
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: actual violence, but there was always little scraps periodically, and
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: there was always that vying for the best real estate
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: on this island. Because the egg company didn't own the island.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Right, not really, they can't go against the Feds with this.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Had the most manpower, I guess.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And to show how tense this situation was, there were
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: also egg pirates, literal egg pirates. There were some. There
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: were some folks who said, you know, why should we
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: have to go risk our lives on the slopes when
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: we could hang out here on the water and just
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: take eggs from boats that were on the way back
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to sanm fd Cisco.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I read, I'm trying to find the story, so here
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, it was in the time piece. Apparently
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: one expedition during this nesting season for these birds, they
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: would get five hundred thousand eggs, which just goes to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: show like how damn many of these things there were.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Because again, typically these birds were only laying a single
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: egg per season.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And this had and as you might assume, detrimental effect
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: upon the breeding population, this was not a sustainable practice
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: over the long term.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: No, the populations dwindled from hundreds of thousands of birds
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: before the egging began in the eighteen fifties to fewer
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: than thirty thousand.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Luckily for us, this story of ridiculous history does have
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a happy ending because the birds are still around with
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the hundreds of other seabird species that continue to live
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and breed on the island. We're gonna go ahead and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: tell you it's kind of tough to get there.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It's really tough to get there. And it has been
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: declared a National Wildlife Refuge site, and it is pretty
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: much uninhabited except for a small research station, and the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: birds are protected. And you can ask for permission to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: go to the island, but that is very rarely granted.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Acounting right the you and I would definitely have to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: put some planning into it. You can see footage of
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: people arriving to the island, and one of the things
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that struck me was after they sail out to the island,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: they have to get in a different boat and be
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: lifted via crane onto the island. Crane is in a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: human built crane, not a bird. That would be infinitely cooler.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That'd be cool, but completely absurd. And you know, sweep,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: sweep the leg.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Sweep the sweep the leg. I can't believe. Did you
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: just cobra kai.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Reference us hy cobra kai you sir.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So what we do also want to point out here
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: is that despite their success in regrowing the population and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: recovering the population of the common mure, the fact remains
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that as we record this, there are fewer common mures
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on the island than there were before the Gold Rush,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: more than one hundred and fifty years ago.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there had been around four hundred thousand. There's
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: another stat that I saw, and it dwindled down to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: closer to six thousand because of this just rapacious behavior
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: by these eggers.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And I have to say, I I don't want to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: put you on the spot here, Nol, but it's very
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: interesting to me that you're pro egg because you're so
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: anti bird.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I am very anti bird. I also when I eat chicken,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I don't like to think of what it used to be. Yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I do like chicken, though, Ben, do you know what
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: actually finally put a stop to this unchecked egging.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope this isn't a Quiztor segment. I'm gonna say,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: chicken far me.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You got it. Chicken farming became a thing in nearby
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Petaluma and became a huge industry, and that took the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: pressure off for getting that sweet, sweet protein thankfully.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, and this felt like a too little, too late
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: situation initially because, as we said, the population had dropped,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: but luckily the birds were able to recover. And after
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: this titular event, this war, which lasted historian's guests around
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Actually yeah, still not the shortest war in history,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: but that's a story for a different day. After this war,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the eggers continued to work on the island for another
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: couple of decades, about twenty years, until they were finally
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: evicted in eighteen eighty one. But the tree didn't stop
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: even then. It persisted for a number of years afterward.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even today, I mean I've heard of people going,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: you know, they visit San Francisco or know about like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: they called summer gull egg season or something like that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So you can get you can get fresh gull egg.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It's probably super illegal. It's poaching, I think, right.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Would you have ever eaten a goal egg?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know think. I think the most exotic egg
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I've ever eaten was a quail egg. I don't know.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I don't see why not. It seems like they taste weird.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If it's not an endangered species, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: think egg wise, I would generally be okay. But also
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: when we have been traveling, whether for work or weather
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: for fun, anytime we're near a large coastal area, goals
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: are like the roughest characters you're gonna meet. Now.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I was actually in San Francisco a little less than
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a month ago for work, and goals I think are
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: probably the source of my bird phobia. When my grandfather
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid, my grandfather would have the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: gulls swarm me on the beach. So when I was
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: in San Francisco, I always can what look a scance? Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you would throw breadcrumbs in the I have this memory
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of being a little kid and seeing these things dive
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: bombing me from the sky, and I think that is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the source of my But when I'm out west, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: always look askance at those creepy guys. I feel like
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they're always trying to come at me, their eyeballing me
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: from the side and plan their attack.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: That's a harrowing experience. Man, this is the first time
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you told me that story. I'm glad you're okay.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: It might all just be coming back to me now,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like literally this moment I finally see the source. It's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: like I'm being flooded with all this emotion and memory.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I can tell. I can tell it's written in large
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: font in your body language. But I promise you this
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Casey and I and hopefully you as well fellow listeners,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: will protect you and will not throw bread at you.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Please don't.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Ben. I really enjoyed this episode.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I thought this was a really fascinating story with a
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: lot of fun little side nuggets. So I think we
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: can wrap it up, but I would love it if
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: we could do a couple of listener mails.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a great idea.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: You want to do one each, that sounds good, sir.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I will go first bend to get mine out of
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the way, because mine is a message of shame. Jay
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Robert jose I wrote in very kindly, and he mentioned
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this about our four g T forty Enzo Ferrari versus
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Ford the second podcast episode, and he had a little
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: correction for me. He said, quote you mentioned that cars
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: in the twenty four hour Lamon went around two hundred
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and fifty miles per hour. At that time nineteen fifty,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: only one car had broken the two hundred miles per
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: hour barrier. It was the Sunbeam one thousand hp back
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty seven. But until nineteen eighty seven no
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: other car hit two hundred miles per hour. With the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Ferrari F forty, the time period you mentioned in the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: podcast was circa nineteen fifty. At that time, the average
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: lap times of a Laman's car was eighty nine miles
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: per hour, with the fastest laps being done at one
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: hundred and two. Small detail, but I'm a little bit
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of a petrol head, thank you, And I'm just going
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to read you my response that I wrote to Jay
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Robert Hi there. First off, let me put on my
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: best Homer Simpson voice when I say, oh, I am admittedly,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and I even admitted on the podcast not a petrel head,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and somehow got that stat utterly wrong, I'll be sure,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and mentioned on the next one we record, thanks for listening,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and here I am doing that thing, so thank you
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: very much for the correction. You're absolutely right, and yeah
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I screwed up.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Don't beat yourself up. And then thanks for checking out
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: if I want to, okay, well if you I'm not
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: going to throw bread at you either way. We had
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: another We had another mentioned that in the two thousand
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and sixteen la Mond that we mentioned Towards the end
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: of that episode we said Porsche placed first. Porsche placed
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: first in its class, and Ford placed first and third
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: in its class, so it was not all a hard
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: luck story. But thanks so much for writing in, sir.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: We have one other email that fascinated all three of us,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Casey Nole myself, and it is from a Umi. Hello,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the podcast. My name is Yumi,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm a Japanese American raised in the US, but
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: born and currently living in Japan. I just finished listening
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to the CAPS episode and I wanted to comment and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: share some insight into a I'm an English teacher but
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a believer in descriptivism over prescriptivism when it comes to language,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: which I love that point. I completely agree with you. Now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: umy continues. As I teach in an English school that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: allows non native teachers, we all use the texting app
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: line capital L I N E, which is Japanese in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: predominant form of texting in Asia. But on top of that,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: my main source of understanding emoji use actually comes from
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: my experience with dating apps. I used a few internationally
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: popular ones. I live relatively close to Tokyo, so I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: had a few observations I think you might find interesting.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I'm
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: going to do some excerpts here. The hands folded together.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: These are used to mean pleased by Japanese people, often
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: put at the end of the request. It's the suggested
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: emoji when I type please into the line app. The
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: eggplant emoji, which is infamous here in the States, by
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the way, was, says a Umi, universally used by creeps
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: outside of Japan, as well as mixed Japanese people, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Japanese nationals have no under standing of the racing meaning
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: unless they have friends overseas. Same with the peach, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: she goes on to talk about how the tear or
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: splash emoji in Japan is used when someone is feeling awkward,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: much like other sweat drop emoji.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That's an anime all the time too. Whenever you see
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: someone that's struggling with something or stressed out, they'll have
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: little sweat lines coming out of their faces exactly.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And umians by saying another important note, not everyone uses
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: standard emoji anymore. For example, users of Line will use
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: their own emoji set called stamps or stickers. There are
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: tons of them, and users can even purchase special large
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: when specific to shows and games they like. I've attached
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: screenshots of my own apps showing just the original set
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: which we checked out, and a Umi ends it by saying,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: hope you have a great day, regards, thanks so much
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: for writing to us. I find the evolution of language,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: especially in the realm of emoji, endlessly fascinating.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and I just think too, it's interesting that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the set that comes stock on you know, most phones,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: iPhones at least, are you know, there are some characters
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: in there that are pretty intensely Japanese and that I
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: am still not. Like, there's a couple of food items
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: that I don't even think I've ever seen before. One
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: thing that's funny, and you've probably experienced this too, my
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: girlfriend has an Android and I have an iPhone. Our
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: emoji sets do not match. When I send her something
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that looks a certain way for me, it does not
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: look the same for her. And there are a few
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: that have problematic differences. Yes, yeah, agree, Like there's one
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  Speaker 2: that's sort of the Spanish dancer lady doing like a move,
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  Speaker 2: and on her end it's a little like a little
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: boy doing like a bee boy doing hip hop dance
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  Speaker 2: moves like break dancing.
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  Speaker 1: Is so strange because I used to have an Android too,
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  Speaker 1: and I would notice this in when we were in
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: group chats or something, or when I was texting someone,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: or I would receive a text and I think, what
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  Speaker 1: the what the hell is this is this? What story
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  Speaker 1: are you telling me? I thought we were going to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: meet at the barbecue place.
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  Speaker 2: There's another one that like, when it comes on my end,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like an eye roll. And I said something
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  Speaker 2: to her about something that happened with my daughter that
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I thought was just talking about, you know, being a
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: dad and saying something dorky, and she sent me this
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  Speaker 2: iroll and I'm like, that's so mean, But it was
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: not that didn't look that way on her end. It
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: looked like a wide eyed or happy face or something
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: like that. So you know, careful Android versus iPhone users,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you might be sending mixed messages and not even know it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And give somebody the benefit of the doubt if they
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: send you something that you think is crazy town, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: Elephant's in the screenshot of what it looks like on
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  Speaker 2: my phone back to her, so that we're on the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: same page. We've kind of learned to do that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good policy, and that's where we're going to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: end our listener mail, but not our show. We of
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: course want to thank Casey Pegrud, and we want to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: thank Alex Williams for composing that fan favorite theme, and.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Regular contributor Laurie L. Dove who wrote one hundred and
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: fift years ago men killed for the eggs of these
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: birds on how stuff Works.
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  Speaker 1: And most importantly, you, specifically you, not a general yes,
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  Speaker 1: you and you listeners for tuning into another episode of
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: ridiculous history. I really hope that you enjoyed this episode
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: about the egg bore, because in our very next episode,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: we're going to be diving into another bit of food
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: crime history.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the as sordid tale of bootleg Margarine.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I wanted to remember we were talking about this. I
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to use the phrase butter smuggler just because it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: sounded cool. I like it, but it's Margarine.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I know it's okay, though you still say a butter
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: comes up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna spoiler. We're gonna be waiting to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: slip that one in there, and we might even have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: a surprise guest who you may ask, will this guest
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: be Well, there's one way to find out.
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