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#103 - Could AOC or Stephen A. Smith Be Our Next President? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Could AOC be the next president of the United States? Could Stephen A.
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  Smith be the next president?
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  Those are the two names I've been hearing floating out there.
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  That would be a reaction to what we just experienced as a country.
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  A huge reaction. My name is Brandon Fogle. This is Evolution.
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  Let's dive into it. I don't know if you caught the Douglas Murray and Dave Smith
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  debate that happened last week on the Joe Rogan podcast.
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  Usually when you check into Joe Rogan these days, it's not a debate happening.
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  It's more just a conversation.
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  But Douglas Murray, he started it. He right out of the gates when the podcast kicked off,
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  he was just, it felt like he was just ready to roll and ready to just argue
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  something that I don't think when we actually take a look at it was very defensible.
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  Douglas Murray, he comes from a UK position, British position.
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  That's what I got from him. He had that vibe.
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  He has a nice accent, you know, people from Britain, they got a good accent.
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  But his idea was certainly from across the pond.
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  It did not align with what I think is the American thought process in freedom
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  of speech, freedom of thought. And he came at it like.
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  Unless you are an expert in something, you should completely shut up and don't talk about it at all.
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  Dave Smith, on the other hand, I've seen him on a lot of shows.
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  I've seen him on Tim Pool's show like plenty of times. And he was recently on
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  Joe Rogan's podcast, but he was brought back on here for this.
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  I don't know if Joe expected this to break out, but it was certainly crazy.
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  And you should check out the video.
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  I put a link in the description about everything that happened in it.
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  It was really wild beginning to end.
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  It was, it was fire, but I'm going to give you a short clip of what Douglas Murray says.
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  And you can, I'm going to make, if you don't know either one of these people,
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  you might be able to pick up right away who they are just by their accent and
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  who's how they, how they, each of them talk.
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  But Dave Smith, he defended the mayor, the American freedom of speech thing.
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  Like that was what I really drew from it was Douglas Murray is like,
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  unless you go and touch the land of Israel, unless you go to Israel and you step foot in Gaza,
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  the crossing points, you should not be speaking about anything.
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  And Dave Smith challenges them on this and you're going to see,
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  I'm just, I don't want to, I don't want to just spill the beans or just make
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  it, seem like give more of an impression and let you just maybe hear it from
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  yourself and see what you come to the conclusion.
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  Which side are you on? Should somebody, can they not speak about something unless
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  they actually go to that region?
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  I've been plenty of time. There's no deficit? No, there are plenty.
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  No goods were kept out. There are plenty. How many? Have you been to the crossing points? No.
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  When were you last there at all? I've never been. You've never been?
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  Well, I'm not, am I not allowed to talk about it now? I've never been to,
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  have you ever been to Nazi Germany?
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  Are you allowed to have feelings about them? You can't time travel, but you can travel.
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  Okay. But so what? So what's the point? Like, okay. I find that lots of people
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  have been there and agree with me and lots of people have been there and agree with you.
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  So I don't know what the, spend a year and a half talking about a place,
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  you should at least do the courtesy of visiting it. All right.
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  I just think this is a non-argument. You don't think? No, I think it's a non-argument.
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  But if you're an ex- But you have to go and touch the ground?
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  No, I think you have to see, I think it's a good idea to see stuff,
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  particularly if you spend a career talking about something. Yes.
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  I have a journalistic rule of trying never to talk about a country,
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  even in passing, unless I've at least been there.
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  Okay, so I don't know what you took away from that, but in this case,
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  this was, like I said, right when it started,
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  Douglas Murray, who's on the screen right there, he came
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  out just guns blazing and just right away
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  challenging Joe by the people that he is
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  platforming on his podcast and saying
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  that he's not giving the other side of whatever the side that he is on a voice
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  and is if you are not a historian you can't speak about history if you are not
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  if you have not been to Israel or any other place in the world you can't even talk about that place.
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  And I don't want to straw man what he's saying, because there is,
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  I would say, a nugget and a gem of truth in what he is talking about.
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  And when he when Douglas talks about.
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  He he boils it down. There's a point in the in the argument where he says,
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  I go to Twitter and I see all these people that aren't experts on anything just
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  coming into my feed and just giving their opinion and their voice when I don't need to see that.
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  To me he came across very elitist that's
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  that's the impression that i got that like if you
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  you can't even talk about something unless you have
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  you unless you have a degree in whatever it
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  is and dave smith over and over is just like i'm
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  not an expert in this but this is my opinion and like
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  any podcast or anybody that's out there in the world you can't
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  be a a expert at everything you
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  can't not everybody can know a
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  lot everything about everything but you
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  you can get still get good knowledge
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  and you could still have regular just understanding of how to interpret whatever
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  is going on in this world I this is my opinion this is what I'm I'm saying and
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  I think it is from that that side of the pond over in Britain where they are
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  very close minded and unless you are.
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  Unless you have a history degree in whatever it is you're talking about,
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  I'm not even going to listen to you.
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  Dave Smith, he repeatedly gave the argument that, man, am I not allowed to say what I think?
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  Am I not allowed to just give my opinion on whatever it is, the whole,
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  it's that why maybe we separated from Britain,
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  you know, maybe that's why we got away from that neck of the woods,
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  because we wanted to be our own people.
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  We don't want to be just under the thumb of other people. We want to have freedom
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  of thought, freedom of speech, and that's a huge deal.
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  This kind of feeds into the whole, should everybody be getting on board with AOC or Stephen A.
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  Smith coming into the argument of next president of the United States?
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  And I know Stephen A. Smith, he's not just right out there and up front.
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  He's kind of just, if I have to step in, I'll do it.
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  But it's very countercultural to where we're at.
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  And if we go in that direction, I mean, Stephen A.
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  Smith, he would almost be a neutral person in the argument, in the whole debate
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  structure of the president.
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  But AOC, there's a lot of things about her that, I mean, could people actually
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  get on board with her representing our country?
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  And I think if people do not have a voice, if people do not have opinion to
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  say what they think, and just continue just to put it out there,
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  then people are gonna be closed-minded and not know all the facts.
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  If we are only just fed one narrative by who are so-called experts.
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  That's all we are going to, we are going to be one-sided. We got to be put on
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  our big boy pants and our big girl pants and be able to look at both sides of
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  whatever it is and discern.
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  And so I get what Douglas was saying repeatedly over in his argument,
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  but it's kind of feeding into the direction.
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  Could this kind of spark something that we go in a AOC wild run of presidential campaign?
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  That would be absolutely crazy to me if we do go that direction.
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  Stephen A. Smith would be more middle of the road, and I could see that actually happen.
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  But AOC becoming a candidate, because I think she is going to step in there.
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  And I do not see her actually becoming president next run, but I,
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  mark my words, I bet she will be president someday.
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  Maybe not the next term, but maybe the one after that.
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  She is just, she comes across as a valley girl, a person that just is just social
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  media on steroids and able to just garner attention and garner views.
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  She just put herself in Congress. I don't know how she got there besides her
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  doing it herself, which I mean, that's that go-getter attitude,
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  which is good, but she does put out there a lot of just very extreme views, very extreme views.
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  I do believe she will be president someday.
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  And do you think that that might be insane to even think about to even put like,
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  if, if you're wanting just to be milquetoast and you're wanting just to get
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  along, go along to get along.
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  I think that ship has sailed. It is now, who is going to do the craziest thing?
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  This is what social media and YouTube and everything has done to us.
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  It has made us go crazy unless we are.
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  We're seeing the most crazy thing happening. And AOC has very,
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  she has garnered that ability to go out there and get the views,
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  get people to look at her and say some crazy things. So could AOC be president?
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  Anything's possible. I think she will be president eventually.
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  Stephen A. Smith, he's going to float his name in there. But that seems more
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  just a way to get some attention, a way to bring some light to the political,
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  swinging back in the political direction that he is wanting us to go.
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  So, but this, this whole debate between Douglas Murray and Dave Smith was absolutely
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  insane. It was different than the normal show that Joe Rogan has on there because
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  it was really back and forth.
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  It was, it got heated at times. And I saw each person's position clearly.
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  I saw what Dave Smith was arguing and he is all about, you have freedom of thought,
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  freedom of speech, and you're not going to take that away from me.
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  You're not going to take that away from us.
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  And Douglas Murray was just more, man, I don't want to hear anybody unless you
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  have a master's degree in that subject.
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  And then over and over it is like, well, then are you giving your opinion about something?
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  And he's like, yeah, I do. I talk about a lot of things, but I try not to.
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  I try not to, unless I know it.
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  I try to go to the people that are the experts and it's, that is a dangerous path to go on.
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  And I think, I think Americans should be aware of it's out there, but like be able to see,
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  see it for what it is, because man, that, that is just every,
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  if people like that have power that are willing to say you either tote the party line or you shut up,
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  then that is a terrible direction, I think, for our country.
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  But I mean, like I said, the pendulum will always swing back and forth.
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  And right now it's on the right side. So it's going to eventually go back to the left.
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  And I think AOC has a very strong possibility of being president,
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  maybe not in the next four years, but the one after that.
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  I think she's going to be someday, just her ability to just get people to jump
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  on her bandwagon and jump on her point of view. So, all right, we'll leave it at that.