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Ep. 4030 Why Transactional Diplomacy FAILS Against Civilizational Destiny!!! · Turley Talks

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  [SPEAKER_00]: The liberal globalist order is on its brink and awakening a new conservative age.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Steve Turley, join me every day as we discover answers to today's toughest challenges and explore the re-bondalization of conservative civilization.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is Turley Talks.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone, it's me, Dr. Steve coming to you from the beautiful city of Budapest, which is long been at the forefront of an astonishing civilization's renewal that's happening literally all over the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to understand our world, you're going to have to begin by understanding how the major actors in the world stage have changed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So for the past several centuries,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wars were fought between nations.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Treaties were signed right between nations.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The United Nations actually has the whole term built into its structure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the fundamental irreducible unit of world order, the nation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You had your flag, you had your border, your passport, your seat in a general assembly, and the flag was the highest thing that you could swear loyalty to.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a remarkable system that produced remarkable stability in certain regions for certain periods, and it's now unmistakably cracking.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because nations are disappearing, obviously, they're not.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But something deeper has reasserted itself underneath the nation's state, something that predates it by millennia, and is never actually gone away.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Something that when it reemerges, renders the nation's state framework insufficient to explain what's happening in our world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something is civilization.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And civilizations, unlike nation states, are not defined by past ports or constitutions
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  [SPEAKER_00]: or lines drawn on maps.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're defined by belief, by sacred memory, by a shared answer to the question of what human beings are for and what kind of cosmic order they inhabit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Consider what we're actually watching happen on the world stage, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When Vladimir Putin
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  [SPEAKER_00]: not in terms of national interest alone, but in terms of Orthodox Christian civilization, the defense of a sacred, slavic world, that's civilization of politics.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When Gigi Ping speaks not just of Chinese national power, but by the great rejuvenation of the Chinese civilization involving continuity of culture and identity stretching back over 1,000 or 5,000 years in fact.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That civilization, or when Turkey, under Erdogan, positions itself as the era of the Ottoman caliphate and the defender of Muslim peoples, everywhere, regardless of what nation they inhabit,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and with President Trump, talks about the shield of the Americas and a new Monroe doctrine that centers the entire Western hemisphere around the United States.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's civilizational politics.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When literally billions of people across the Western Eastern world feel a pull towards something older or something more rooted, something that then proceduralism of liberal democracy never quite satisfied,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When they find themselves drawn to faith and tradition, community and transcendent belonging in ways that confuse their secular neighbors, that too is civilizational politics.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The nation state was always a relatively recent invention, and as somewhat artificial one, it tried to take the deep human need for belonging and sacred community and channel it through bureaucratic structures and legal fictions.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And for a while it worked,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The need never went away.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The sacred never actually retreated.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was always waiting.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So what exactly is a civilization in the sense that matters for understanding the 21st century?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well a civilization is not simply a large culture.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a region with a common language.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: or a shared cuisine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A civilization is a sacred community.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A group of people's organized around a shared theological vision of the cosmos, a shared understanding of justice and transcendence, a shared story about where humanity came from and where it's going.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That theological core is what distinguishes a civilization from a mere nation or a mere culture.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Nations can be conquered and absorbed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Cultures can be diluted in transformed, but a civilization organized around a deep theological conviction one that offers its members meaning an identity and ultimate purpose is extraordinarily resilient.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It can survive military defeat.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It can survive economic collapse.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It can survive centuries of foreign domination.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it carries within itself something that armies can't destroy and markets can't price.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a sacred account of who we are.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is why the return of civilization to center stage and world politics is in temporary.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a backlash, it'll fade once things calm down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a structural shift in the organizing principle of human community.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The nation state was the dominant form for roughly 400 years.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The civilizational form predates it by 4,000.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's reasserting itself with the same confidence as something that knows it will outlast what replaced it temporarily.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This shift has enormous practical consequences that most analysts are still not tracking
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The traditional geopolitics geopolitical analysis asks, okay, what are Russia's national interests?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or what are China's national interests?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or what does Iran want for the Middle East?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These are reasonable questions, but they're insufficient because,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: civilizational actors are not primarily maximalizing national interest.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're pursuing civilizational destiny.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're playing a game with a longer time horizon at different definition of victory.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And a willingness to absorb short-term costs that purely national actors would never accept.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't negotiate with a civilizational actor using purely transactional logic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't deter a
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a civilizational actor using purely material threats.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't build lasting peace between civilizational actors by pretending the theological commitments are merely cultural preferences to be managed through diplomatic language.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My newest book, Siv Kalsam, is built around the recognition that civilizations, not nations, not ideologies,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: not economic blocks, civilizations, the main actors of the 21st century, and that understanding civilizations requires taking seriously what makes them what they are, the sacred.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The first coordinate of civicals and politics is Theo politics.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A framework for analyzing how sacred communities compete, cooperate, and collide.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: on the world stage.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the tool you need to understand not just what's happening, but why, in a way that goes deeper than any purely secular analyst can reach.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The nation's state is still with us, but it's no longer the main character.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Civilization has taken its place and to understand what that means, what it demands of us, what possibilities it opens, what dangers it creates, you need a new framework.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that framework is CIFCAUSEM.
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