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Protests Rain on Trump's Parade · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, we'll talk about the deranged right-wing reaction
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  Speaker 1: to the political assassinations in Minnesota, the gigantic No Kings protests,
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  Speaker 1: and Trump's not-so-gigantic military parade. The president directing ICE to
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  Speaker 1: focus their raids on blue cities, and the latest grift
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  Speaker 1: from the first family, a shitty gold phone that's probably
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  Speaker 1: made in China. Then later you'll hear my interview with
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  Speaker 1: Maryland Governor Wes Moore about his reaction to the latest news,
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party's future, and his own. But let's start
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  Speaker 1: with Israel's preemptive war against Iran, a war that Bibi
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  Speaker 1: Netanyahu very much wants America to join, and Trump says, quote,
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  Speaker 1: it's possible that we get more involved. Israel's surprise attack
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  Speaker 1: has not only targeted Iran's nuclear infrastructure, but the regime itself.
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  Speaker 1: Missile and drone attacks have so far left more than
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  Speaker 1: 200 Iranians dead, including at least nine nuclear scientists, the
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  Speaker 1: chief of staff of Iran's military, and the head of
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  Speaker 1: the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Iranian retaliatory strikes have so
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  Speaker 1: far killed more than 20 Israelis. The U.S. military has
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  Speaker 1: participated in trying to shoot down Iranian missiles. And we're
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  Speaker 1: moving a second carrier group to the area. But that's
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  Speaker 1: all we know so far about our involvement. It's also
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  Speaker 1: been reported that Trump refused to give Israel permission to
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  Speaker 1: assassinate Iran's supreme leader over the weekend. Nuclear talks between
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  Speaker 1: Iran and the U.S. were called off on Sunday. Can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine why. But Iran is now reportedly signaling through intermediaries
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  Speaker 1: that it wants to ramp down the conflict and resume
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  Speaker 1: negotiations with the U.S. if the U.S. will agree to
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  Speaker 1: stay out of the conflict. And that's the major fault
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  Speaker 1: line here. You have some Crusty Newt Gingrich Bush-era neocon
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  Speaker 1: types saying we need to push for regime change, while
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  Speaker 1: the isolationist MAGA crowd says we should stay the hell
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  Speaker 1: away from yet another war in the Middle East. Trump
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  Speaker 1: took a question about this at the G7 in Canada
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  Speaker 1: on Monday. Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: What have you heard?
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  Speaker 4: What have you heard from the Iranians?
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  Speaker 5: They'd like to talk, but they should have done that before.
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  Speaker 5: I had 60 days and they had 60 days.
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  Speaker 3: And on the 61st day, I said, we don't have
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  Speaker 3: a deal.
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  Speaker 4: They have to make a deal.
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  Speaker 5: And it's painful for both parties, but I'd say Iran
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  Speaker 5: is not winning this war, and they should talk, and
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  Speaker 5: they should talk immediately before it's too late.
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  Speaker 1: A new war on Trump's watch. I thought we were
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  Speaker 1: supposed to have no more wars.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they never would have happened if he was
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  Speaker 3: president when it comes to October 7th or the Russian
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  Speaker 3: invasion of Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, I guess, Iran and Israel. Tommy, can
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  Speaker 1: you walk us through the Intramaga debate on this?
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. So you got it right there, the crusty neocons.
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  Speaker 3: John Bolton, Trump's former national security advisor, is one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Fox News guys like Mark Levin, a radio host. They
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  Speaker 3: want the US to get directly involved in offensive military operations.
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  Speaker 3: I say offensive military operations because we're helping with defense.
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  Speaker 3: We're shooting down missiles. And the reason that's important, though,
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  Speaker 3: is because most of the most important Iranian nuclear infrastructure
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  Speaker 3: is buried deep underground or to the side of a mountain.
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  Speaker 3: And the conventional wisdom is that to take out that
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure like at Fordow, you need a weapon called the MOP,
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  Speaker 3: the Massive Ordnance Penetrator. It's like a 30,000-pound bomb that
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  Speaker 3: only U.S. planes can carry because it's so big. The
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  Speaker 3: B-2 self-bomber is the only thing that can drop it,
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  Speaker 3: like the Israeli Air Force's mostly fighter jets. So that's
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  Speaker 3: why those neocons want the U.S. to get involved. The
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  Speaker 3: folks they're fighting against are like Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon,
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  Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Greene, who I think on the merits– Our
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  Speaker 3: best friends. I mean, on the merits and on the politics,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm team Tucker, Steve, MTG here, fellas. So on
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  Speaker 3: the merits, I think they have correctly identified, and they
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  Speaker 3: did so before this week, that this wasn't really just
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  Speaker 3: about weapons of mass destruction. This was a regime change war,
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  Speaker 3: which has been confirmed by all these reports that Trump
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  Speaker 3: is vetoing plans to kill the Iranian Supreme Leader. So
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  Speaker 3: check for Tucker there. And then on the politics, I
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  Speaker 3: just think that like Tucker and Bannon and MTG are
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  Speaker 3: way more in tune with, with the MAGA base than
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  Speaker 3: like the gang at National Review. And no one wants
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  Speaker 3: another war in the Middle East. And no one is
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  Speaker 3: going to believe another intelligence-based, trust me, worthy experts pitch
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  Speaker 3: about why we need to go decapitate the leaders of
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  Speaker 3: another Middle Eastern country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was reports today that Trump has been sending
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  Speaker 2: signals to get to the Iranians that, hey, as long
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  Speaker 2: as you do not harm U.S. service members, we are
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  Speaker 2: not going to get more involved. It doesn't mean they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of getting that to Iran to keep them from
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  Speaker 2: bombing U.S. bases or to go after U.S. ships. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like Trump gets the politics of not wanting to
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  Speaker 2: be dragged into this, but it's also, you know, first
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  Speaker 2: of all, it's not clear what they're posturing versus what
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  Speaker 2: they're actually planning to do versus what he's saying in
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  Speaker 2: hindsight to justify what Israel did after the discussions last week.
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  Speaker 2: It's just very hard to understand what's really going on.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we have, you know, this started saying, OK,
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians were so, so close to getting a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 1: It could have been any day. So really, this is
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  Speaker 1: a preemptive strike to protect Israel from them getting a
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  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. And it was like, well, maybe they're like
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  Speaker 1: a couple months away, but, you know, they had they
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  Speaker 1: were going to get nuclear weapons. So whatever. And now
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  Speaker 1: Netanyahu said in an interview with John Carl on Monday
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  Speaker 1: that killing the supreme leader would, quote, end the conflict,
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  Speaker 1: not escalate it.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Is regime change now an acceptable justification for preemptive war?
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  Speaker 1: Because I thought we had this international community, international law,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the United Nations, and I wasn't aware that
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  Speaker 1: if you think a regime may get nuclear weapons at
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  Speaker 1: some point, you can actually eliminate the entire regime.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just go bomb them. I will say, also,
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  Speaker 3: the timeline for how quickly Iran could get a nuclear
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  Speaker 3: weapon has been kind of jumping around when it comes
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  Speaker 3: out of Netanyahu's mouth. I mean, the Trump administration's timeline,
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  Speaker 3: as articulated by Tulsi Gabbard was that it would take
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  Speaker 3: a year for Iran to get a nuclear weapon. There's
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of different phases of this. There's the enrichment
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  Speaker 3: phase where you have to enrich enough uranium to get
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  Speaker 3: it to weapons grade, and then you weaponize it, and
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  Speaker 3: then you need a delivery mechanism. So it's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit technical and wonky, but I don't think this was
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  Speaker 3: like a this weekend problem. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, yes. Like how close they are to it
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  Speaker 2: versus what is the actual rationale for doing this when
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  Speaker 2: Netanyahu says often, Their goal is to talk while continuing
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  Speaker 2: to develop their program no matter what. So is this
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  Speaker 2: because they were imminently on the break of getting a
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapon or is it because they saw an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to degrade Iran's capability and took it and are using
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  Speaker 2: ad hoc justifications after the fact?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but to your point, I mean, like the idea
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  Speaker 3: that killing the Supreme Leader changes everything or like fixes
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  Speaker 3: the problem is crazy. There's not some pro-Western, pro-Israel opposition
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  Speaker 3: group sitting in Iran saying, waiting to march towards Tehran
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  Speaker 3: and announce their commitment to democracy and pluralism. Like that's
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  Speaker 3: just not what's going to happen here. You kill the
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  Speaker 3: Supreme leader, guess what happens? They replace the Supreme leader.
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  Speaker 3: And that replacement decision is made by a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: hardline clerics and IRGC and the political elites. And you
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  Speaker 3: get someone who is basically the same, or maybe the
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  Speaker 3: IRGC stages a coup and they take power. And I
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  Speaker 3: think recent history suggests that the guys with the guns
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  Speaker 3: end up in charge. And so that's why Tucker was
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  Speaker 3: saying on his show, or Tucker wrote this like kind
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  Speaker 3: of op-ed length screed on Twitter where he said, so
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  Speaker 3: why is Mark Levin once again hyperventilating about weapons of
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  Speaker 3: mass destruction? To distract you from the real goal, which
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  Speaker 3: is regime change. Young Americans heading back to the Middle
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  Speaker 3: East to topple yet another government. He also said that
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  Speaker 3: a war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal
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  Speaker 3: of Trump supporters. It would end his presidency. I really
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  Speaker 3: think like Tucker's making some good points here.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed someone. retweeting a video of Bibi Netanyahu in
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  Speaker 1: 2002 telling America, quote, if you take out Saddam, I
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on
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  Speaker 1: the region. Do we think that a new regime in
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  Speaker 1: Iran will have enormous positive reverberations on the region?
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  Speaker 3: Worked great in Iraq, worked great in Libya. What could
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  Speaker 3: possibly go wrong? It's really worth looking up Netanyahu's testimony
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  Speaker 3: before Congress where he was advocating for the invasion of Iraq.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what that was.
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  Speaker 3: He could not have been more wrong.
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  Speaker 2: What's also just sort of confusing is, okay, the rationale
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  Speaker 2: is based around degrading the nuclear capability. Then why are
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  Speaker 2: you going after state television? Now, you can make an argument,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they would, that that's a mouthpiece for a dictatorial, murderous,
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  Speaker 2: terrorist regime. But it's not a means to degrade their
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  Speaker 2: nuclear capability. Because on the other side of it, it's, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this stops the second they stop having a nuclear program.
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  Speaker 2: But that has nothing to do with having a nuclear program.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is there an example in the Middle East
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  Speaker 1: in recent history of a nation where... It's coming from this.
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  Speaker 1: Of a nation where there was an oppressive regime, like
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  Speaker 1: there is in Iran, and the regime fell. It was
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  Speaker 1: either ousted or fell on its own, like, you know, Assad.
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  Speaker 1: And it was replaced by some stable government.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the only example right now could possibly be
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  Speaker 3: Syria with the guys who just took over, former ISIS...
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  Speaker 3: Al Qaeda guys, but time will tell. A little too
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  Speaker 3: early to- Time will tell. But it's really been fascinating,
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  Speaker 3: not only watching the Intramaga debate, but also the attempts
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  Speaker 3: by the White House to spin it both ways. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? It was Trump sincerely trying to
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  Speaker 3: have Steve Witkoff do these talks with the Iranians and
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  Speaker 3: cut a nuclear deal, or was this whole thing subterfuged
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  Speaker 3: the whole time and it was all in bad faith?
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  Speaker 3: Either way, if you're Iran, what is going to bring
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  Speaker 3: you to the table now? that Donald Trump was too
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  Speaker 3: weak to control Netanyahu and prevent him from bombing you,
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  Speaker 3: or that he was lying to you all along and
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  Speaker 3: the talks were a ruse to somehow facilitate this Israeli
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  Speaker 3: bombing campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then on Trump's domestic politics, right? He wants
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  Speaker 2: to be on the side of the Tom Cottons of
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  Speaker 2: the world who are all cheering Israel on. He wants
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  Speaker 2: to be seen as the ally Israel needs to those
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  Speaker 2: kind of pro-war, pro-Israel hawks, while at the same time
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  Speaker 2: signaling that he doesn't want to be more involved, that
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  Speaker 2: he's not interested in the US becoming kind of an
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  Speaker 2: offensive participant in this for the kind of more dovish
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  Speaker 2: isolationist parts of his party.
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  Speaker 1: Trump wants to be for what's happening. Whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's always like, this thing goes south. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: hear from him that he tried to stop this. And
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  Speaker 1: he told Bibi that this was a horrible idea. And
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  Speaker 1: why is Netanyahu, he'll turn on Bibi so fast if
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  Speaker 1: this goes south. And if it goes well, then it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he'll probably admit that it was that they
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  Speaker 1: lied all along, that they didn't really want a deal,
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  Speaker 1: that this was a whole thing to like get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's just, he's just going to be for whatever's popular.
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  Speaker 1: That's like, that's his whole foreign policy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Trump basically attacked Netanyahu after October 7th
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  Speaker 3: and like was just talking shit about them in the
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  Speaker 3: immediate wake of this horrific existential attack on Israel. He
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  Speaker 3: was like, ah, never would have happened. He blamed Netanyahu
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  Speaker 3: for failing to prevent it. All things that are true,
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  Speaker 3: but to your point, like he will turn on him
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  Speaker 3: in a second if his operation goes south.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, his problem with Gaza was not the fact
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  Speaker 1: that so many civilians were dying. It's that like, it's
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  Speaker 1: too public. They got to just, they got to, Netanyahu's
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  Speaker 1: got to finish it and he got to keep it,
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  Speaker 1: keep it behind, keep it behind closed doors. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to see so much of it, right?
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  Speaker 3: I don't care about the people.
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  Speaker 1: the weekend was the assassination of Minnesota State Representative Melissa Hortman,
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  Speaker 1: a former Speaker of the Minnesota House, along with her
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  Speaker 1: husband by a man named Vance Bolter, who arrived at
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  Speaker 1: their front door in the middle of the night dressed
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  Speaker 1: as a police officer. Bolter had just done the same
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  Speaker 1: thing at the nearby home of state Senator John Hoffman
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  Speaker 1: and his wife, both of whom miraculously survived the shooting.
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  Speaker 1: The killer also had a notebook in his car listing
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  Speaker 1: more than 45 other potential targets, all of whom were Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: including Governor Tim Walz and Senator Tina Smith. There were
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  Speaker 1: also Democratic politicians in other states, other members of Congress,
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  Speaker 1: other governors, abortion providers. There were also papers in his
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  Speaker 1: car that suggest he may have been planning to target
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  Speaker 1: one of the No Kings protests on Saturday. Police finally
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  Speaker 1: apprehended Bolter on Sunday, but not before a 24-hour period
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  Speaker 1: where Republican senators and Trump influencers tried to spread the
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  Speaker 1: completely fabricated story that the killer was a left-wing extremist
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  Speaker 1: who targeted Democrats for voting against the party on immigration.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Chernovich and others even suggested that Tim Walz might have, quote,
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  Speaker 1: ordered the hit. Tim Walz ordered the hit himself. Sick stuff.
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  Speaker 1: What did you guys make of the reaction to this
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  Speaker 1: tragedy and the tragedy itself?
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  Speaker 2: So there's an unrelated story about Elon Musk and Doge
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: and about how they came to start saying that 40%
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  Speaker 2: of calls to social security were scammers, which is made up,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: which is made up, but it was useful. And so
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  Speaker 2: there's this consternation inside of the social security administration. They
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: want the staff want to put out a statement saying
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  Speaker 2: it's not true. Katie Miller, who now works for Elon Musk,
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  Speaker 2: but was then at the white house, picks up the phone,
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  Speaker 2: calls social security and says, The number is 40%. Don't
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: contradict Elon. Don't contradict the president. They cannot, if there
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: is information that does not comport with their perfect, comfortable expectations,
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  Speaker 2: worldview that doesn't help their political project, it is dismissed.
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  Speaker 2: That is true for every kind of policy question. That
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: is true for every political debate. And it is even
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  Speaker 2: true in the middle of an unfolding assassination plot that
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  Speaker 2: is taking place in real time before this guy is
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  Speaker 2: even caught, right? Somebody I went to college with, they
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  Speaker 2: were on the list. And they get woken up in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the night saying, you got to get
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  Speaker 2: out of your house. You got to get out. It's
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  Speaker 2: not safe. This is unfolding. It is really happening. And
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  Speaker 2: it's a real event affecting real people. But because this
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  Speaker 2: exists online and it is immediately a political project, they
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  Speaker 2: go right to what is useful, what helps me in
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  Speaker 2: this moment. Even if it is a lie, even if
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  Speaker 2: it is disgusting, even if genuine lives are at risk
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: in the moment when they're doing it.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched it unfold on Twitter, and at first
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, Mike Chernovich, Pizzagate guy.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Worst of the worst.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Alex Jones. I was like, do we really need to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: make a big deal of these crazies doing what they
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: always do, which is spread lies and garbage and filth?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Then you see Mike Lee, senator from Utah. What happened
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to that guy? Who is fucking crazy, but this is
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: maybe some of the worst shit that he's pushed around.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: he still has a pinned tweet up on his Twitter
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: feed saying that like, oh, nightmare on wall street, uh,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the picture of the shooter. And also like, this is Marxism, uh,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: is a, is a mental illness. And this was Marxist.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: This is what happens when Marxists don't get their way.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: There were three different tweets from him. Bernie Moreno, Senator
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: from Ohio also said that it was left-wing extremists that
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: caused this. Elon Musk, Elon Musk said it as well,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: that it's left-wing extremism. I mean, there's this whole thing
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: that happens now when there's political violence in this country
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: where everyone rushes, and it's very sad. We all rush
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to see like, okay, whose side was the person on?
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Is it a left-wing person? Is it a right-wing person?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And then what happens is if it's not your side,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: then it's mental illness, right? The person, oh, the person
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: was just mentally, mentally ill. And if it's the other side,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: then it's, oh, see? And like, that's sad and that's
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like awful that we got to that point. But, for everyone, like,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: tweeting that shit, Moreno, Mike Lee, all the rest of them,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: what you are doing is just making life more dangerous
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: for elected officials and people in politics by tweeting that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: You're just doing it. You're just making stuff more dangerous. And, like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: there is no reason to do it. There's no reason
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to start lying. There's no reason to jump to conclusions
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: before the police conduct an investigation. There's just no reason
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to do that.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my general expectations for political decency are rock bottom,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: but Remember after Trump was shot in Butler, there's a
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: lot of these reports about how he's more spiritual now.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It changed him in some way, right? I mean, obviously
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: it does bullshit at the time, but you would look
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: getting shot. You would think would, would trigger in him
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: like a modicum of empathy when he hears about an
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: incident like this. And he would just maybe lob in
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: a call to Tim walls and, or the families of
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: the victims and just say something decent. But instead he
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: was asked if he was in a call. Tim Walz,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and he was like, nope, he's a terrible governor, incompetent person.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: He goes, maybe I'll call him. You know, it's like
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: nothing has changed in this man. And the conspiracy theory
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: stuff from Mike Lee and the worst people on Twitter,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: it just, it like makes you completely hopeless about the
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: information environment on social media in the wake of any tragedy,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: any real problem, like any crisis. We're just cooked.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It also used to be that when they throw conspiracies,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they were, we were pretty sure that they were wrong,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that we were, they were wrong, right? But there was like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe a 2% chance that someone could possibly
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: believe the conspiracy was right. This is so dumb. The
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: shit that they were putting out there.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: This makes sense.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, they, uh, Tim Walls ordered an assassination because this
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: person voted against Tim Walls on, um, you know, making
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: sure that undocumented immigrants do not get Medicaid, right? That's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the theory. And then the list is out and it's like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Keith Ellison, the attorney general, and also Tim
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Walz and a U.S. senator and a bunch of other
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Democratic politicians in other states were also on the list,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like had nothing to do with that vote. So that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't match up at all. So you But none of
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: this stuff changes the conspiracy. They just, to your point
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: about the Katie Miller thing, they just go forward. All
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the facts are showing like definitively, definitively that they're wrong
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and they just keep going.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Well, so Mike Lee posts something more sensible on his
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: official account, but this post stays up. I think he
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: pinned it for a while, even after it was like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: he doesn't delete it. He doesn't apologize, doesn't take it back.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Amy Klobuchar, who is friends with Melissa Hortman, told MSNBC
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: that she was going to confront Mike Lee directly about it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: And I hope she does.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Because like.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: She should.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: You know, it's all fun and games on the internet.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: People should make floor speeches. They should go down to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the Senate floor and yell at Mike Lee.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I think they already have started doing that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Tina Smith apparently confronted Mike Lee.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Good, good.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And was asked about her talk with him. And she said,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I think that honestly he seems a little surprised to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: be confronted.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Good for you, Tina Smith. I love that. These people
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: have to defend their bullshit. like live and in person
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: until like you hide behind your Twitter account and you
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: send out your bullshit tweets and then you just like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: slink away as everyone starts believing it. Like, no, you
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: need to defend this in front of an audience.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: It's all, it's just the Trump assassination attempt, the arson
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: attack on Josh Shapiro, the shooting at the DC Jewish museum,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: the firebombing of people in Colorado. January 6th, Gabby Gifford,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Steve Scalise, like there's just a lot of this. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: there is so little to protect politicians. I mean, like
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: president gets secret service, but like Mitt Romney, remember that
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: exit interview he did? He talked about one of the
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: reasons he was quitting politics was he was worried about
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: attacks from, I mean, I think he specifically named like
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Trump super fans on him or his family. And he
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: talked about the massive cost of security. And like, he's
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: a rich guy, he can afford it. But like a
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: state representative in Minnesota, they've got no resources. There's no
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: way to protect yourself. You're not doing this job. You're
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: not going to be able to protect yourself. And also,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: what upside is there for people to get into politics
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: if an Minnesota state rep is getting targeted?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: That's what really worries me. I mean, the Times did
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a story on just elected officials all across the country
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: being very scared about this based on this episode of
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: political violence and all the other ones that you just mentioned.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And one Ohio state senator posted on Facebook, honestly, I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: struggling with this news. I'm worried for my family. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: worry I'm putting them in harm's way by being in office.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible feeling. Like that's just, that is. Yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it's awful.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Part of this too is, so in the sort of whatever,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the uncovered list that this person had, there's also a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: bunch of like people finder websites for finding people's home addresses. And,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: you know, we, for a long time, we just, there
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: was just an assumption that the homes of the addresses
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: of public officials would, one way or another, be public,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: whether it's on a filing document or their voter registration
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: or simply just through the fact that so much of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: this information is already public. But, like, that is in a, like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we do not have to accept that. Like, yeah, it's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube, but
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we should have privacy laws to protect addresses for people.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: That's a small step that is hard to make work,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: but it could at least help over the long run
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to kind of make it possible to get this information
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: off of the internet. We need a national privacy law.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: That feels like a hard thing to do, but, like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: we have to make it harder for this kind of homes,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: like for where people live needs to be harder, uh,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to get at. And that's just like making people now
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: part of the problem there, right. It's like, there's some
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: amount of public accountability for where people live, right. They
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: have to live in the district. It matters if, you know, when, uh, uh,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: what's his name when Dr. Oz was campaigning and it
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: was like, what's his actual address, this big home, is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: it that big home? Like it's a part of politics,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: but like, there's just like compromises that need to happen there.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: The other part of this too, is, you know, we,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: as you were saying this, John, that like we, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you kind of in this bleak moment, it's a cycle.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: What were the motivations? Were they good? Were they, were
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: they ones we, were they on our side or their side?
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And it's like, we don't step back and look at
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the kind of underlying conditions that would lead somebody regardless
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of their ideology. The ideology is just a, it's just
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: an ultimately a rationale for whatever kind of active kind
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of political violence, which is rooted in whatever feeling of powerlessness,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a desire to kind of get revenge, whatever it may be.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And like social media is a part of that, right?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Like We see growing support polling-wise for political violence, polling-wise
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: for just the justification for assassinations, justifications for the killing
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of the CEO of United Healthcare. I was out there
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: over the weekend, a lot of people with very ironic
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Luigi signs, right? And that all contributes to a sense
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that we live in a violent society where violence is
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: is part of politics where the other side may use it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: So you should use it before they do. And in
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: sort of a broad way, right, it leads people to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: feel both powerless and radicalized, but also in acute ways, right? Well,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: these people that pop up, like they are being radicalized
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in acute ways by these same kinds of mechanisms. And
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I just like, we need to be honest about that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: We need to think about that. We need to figure
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: out ways for leaders to kind of attack that culturally
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and also like the underlying problem of what happens to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: people when they radicalize online. Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And that's why you, that's why you got to condemn
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: violence and extrajudicial violence where, and political violence, wherever it happens,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: whoever commits it, whoever it's against and doing so does
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: not like stop that violence from happening, but not doing
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: so creates an environment where it starts to be a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: little more likely and maybe someone else thinks it's okay.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And who's, who's, who's not doing well. And it's just, that's, you,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: You just got to condemn it when it happens. And
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: politicians and leaders in both parties need.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: A little gun control would be good, too. Yeah. A
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: little more gun control.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: The other thing, too, though, is like there's a political
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: scientist who's an expert in political violence talked about this
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in The Times about how actually what might be most
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: useful is for Democrats and Republicans to make statements together.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But one big fucking problem is that Donald Trump just
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: pardoned all the insurrectionists and sent a signal that there's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a certain kind of political violence that he's a huge,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: huge fan of.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And is one of the biggest stokers of political violence
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: in our country, kind of constantly calling his enemies vermin
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and all the rest. And so like the, the kind of,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it's just, uh, well, and when Trump was shot, literally
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: everyone condemned it. Every single Democrat, every Republican, former presidents, like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you know, it was like, it was everywhere.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Everyone did. And in this case, like we can't get
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Trump to say, yeah, I'm going to call Tim walls.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to, I'm going to wish him well, like it's,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: it's completely infuriating.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: The news about the shootings broke on the day of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the No Kings protests, which continued as planned, even in Minnesota,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: where Governor Walz tried to warn people away from participating
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: because of the No Kings flyers found in the killer's car.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Across the country, an estimated 5 million people showed up,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: which makes it one of the single largest protests in
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: American history. Overwhelmingly peaceful, very few arrests. The protests were
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: planned to coincide with Trump's military parade in Washington, D.C.,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: which turned out to be fairly subdued and sparsely attended.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: One guy in attendance told The Guardian he thought Trump
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: was politicizing the army and that the parade was, quote,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: just kind of lame. Trump himself may have briefly fallen asleep.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: What did you guys make of the No Kings events? Well, Tommy,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you were with me.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were fun.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I love it. You were downtown.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Went to West Hollywood so I could bring my daughter, Lisette.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: As we were parking, we walked up. A bunch of
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: people jogged by, ripped and shirtless. And she kept saying,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: why is he nicky-nicky?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Why is he nicky-nicky? I was like, We were in WeHo.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Welcome to West Hollywood, honey.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Had a good time in WeHo, yeah. I went downhound.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: You guys went hung out with the fans.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: It was fun though. It was like joyful, you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: people singing songs, good speeches. I don't know. Every protest
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I've ever gone to is, it's a joyful affair. It's
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: people happy to be together, especially in person, especially after COVID.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it was good.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we went downtown and we were in front
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of City Hall and At first, it didn't seem like
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it was just sort of gathered right on the steps
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of City Hall. But then as we were there, more
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and more people started coming. And there were these sort
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: of marches coming from all directions, kind of filling the park.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And then we kind of followed that. And first of all,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it was interesting, right? Because you saw what looked like
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: what I would say is sort of like a women's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: march adjacent group of people, right? There was a lot of...
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: There was kind of like the No Kings, kind of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: resistance marches. libs. They were out in force, but there
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: were also tons of anti-ICE pro-immigrant protests that have been
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: sort of showing up at downtown for the last couple
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of days. And it all kind of blended together into
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: what looked to me as like the most adverse protest
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I've ever been to in Los Angeles or ever. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: we walked down just sort of seeing where all the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: different protests were going. And we ended up wandering down
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to the federal building where a lot of the kind
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of confrontations and sort of the Sort of more kind
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: of the vandalism has happened, some of the violence and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: kind of back and forth with the police have happened.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And we went to the federal building and there were
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the Marines standing in front of the federal building, just
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: fucking standing there. There was a police officer with them.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And so when somebody would kind of walk to kind
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of press the line a little, the cop would talk
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to them, the Marines. really didn't, at least that I saw. But, uh,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you know, some people were shouting, uh, uh, at the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Marines angrily, some people kind of more forlornly being like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be here.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: You saw like everything there. Um, but what, what I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: felt seeing them, the Marines, God, like in the same way,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: like the trump forcing like the military to kind of
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: march in front of him on his birthday sending these
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: fucking guys to a federal building and you're like why
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: are they guarding the federal building to protect them from
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the protesters why are the protesters there to be because
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: they're angry about the marines yeah and it just like
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you felt i just felt bad for them yeah like
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: i i just felt yeah exactly i just felt bad
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: for them like the whole thing like felt combustible like
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you just felt like oh this is where later to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: this is where it's going to happen because as as
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: all these protesters that came for the main event start leaving,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: that will just be left behind some of the more
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: kind of, uh, uh, like the, the people that have
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: been kind of fucking throwing shit and making kind of, uh,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: trouble over the last couple of days. And sure enough,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that is what happens. And, and that, that happened as
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the night wore on, but like, for the most part,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it was incredibly moving and inspiring to be down there.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I will just say to huge credit to our friends
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: at Indivisible and other groups who organize these protests. That is,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is a very tough thing to organize
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and to pull off well. And from what I saw
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: at our protest, there was also like a discipline involved.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You know, the first speaker was like, it's going to
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: be peaceful. We want to make sure that everyone can
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: speak who's speaking. Also like turn to someone next to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you who you don't know, shake their hand.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like that part.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Don't touch me, you sweaty, sweaty person.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But I had a couple.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Some people go to We Here To Be Touched, not Tommy.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I did have a couple of friends ask me like, what,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: so what's the point of these protests? Like Trump's, you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: can't beat Trump again. He's already president. It's year one.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: But I, and I get that, but I think like
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: building this capacity and sort of exercising the muscle right
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: now of, you know, on a beautiful day in June,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: getting 5 million people out in the country to protest
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to be important in the coming years,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: especially if you know, Trump continues to push us away
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: from democracy and towards authoritarianism because you're going to want
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to have this capacity. And I think it is also
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: very valuable for people to get out of their fucking
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: houses and offline and actually see people in real life
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: who are also feeling the same way you do about things.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Also be nice to the, uh, poor military
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: guys who were deployed in California.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I know, I really felt that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Especially the active duty guys, the Marines. I bet they
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: were like, what, 18 to 20?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: They look so young.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: The active duty guys are so young when you see
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: them in person. The National Guard, you tend to be older.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: They're like... People with other jobs are in their 30s.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: They're from California, but like- They're not happy either. None
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: of them want to be on those streets. It sucks
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: for them just as much as for us, like having
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: them here in our city.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And it just felt, you just feel how unnecessary it
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: all was. Just like, they are there because Donald Trump
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck about them. They are a prop
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to create the illusion of whatever. And that just sort
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: of made me feel really sad about the whole situation.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But also like, you know what? Like, yeah, millions of
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: people are showing up and it is raising- It raises
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the price for what they're trying to do. Even if
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it is not a specific response to a specific raid,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: like all these people showing up, it raises the price
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: on whether they try to do mass deportations, they go
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to kind of farm country, whatever they're trying to do.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the military, what'd you guys think of the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: parade in DC? The army turned 250 and Donald Trump
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: decided to co-opt their birthday for his own. He got
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: himself a little parade. I did not like watch any
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of it unfold live. I saw clips on Twitter, but what,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: what did you guys think?
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't watch one second of it. And the clips
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I saw, I mean, obviously they were mostly clipped by
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: people with partisan political agendas, right. As, as, uh, happens
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: on Twitter. I don't know. I maybe wonder if we
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: all hyperventilated about it a little too much, uh, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: whether the lead up was a little silly and made
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: everyone involved look silly. And it was just a stupid parade.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: It was a waste of time and money and whatnot.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But, Yeah, I had the same feeling. I couldn't tell.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: John and I talked about this on YouTube a little
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: bit too, but like that, like when I actually saw it,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my God, like, you know, America
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't do authoritarian North Korea style military parades. And so
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: even when Trump tries to do one, it ends up
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: just looking like Veterans Day, you know? And like, you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: just there are people in a park. Some people, I think,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: because they're Trump supporters, some people because there's just a
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: thing happening. It all looked very sort of unthreatening in
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the end. And maybe that's also in part because the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: military does not want to participate in an authoritarian display
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of military power on behalf of our autocrat. So you
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: end up seeing guys with fives and the tri-corner hats.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It's hard to get mad about that. Hard to be
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: sad when you see those guys.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I always thought it was a wasteful, dumb thing to do.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And also that, you know, the idea here is to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: fulfill Trump's clearly authoritarian intentions, whether it was an actual threat.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: It.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: The threat seemed lessened by the fact that the week prior,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: there were actual federal troops, federalized National Guardsmen and Marines
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: on the ground here in L.A. because of protests. So
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that seemed like much more of a threat than the parade.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: And to be honest.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Sort of stole the spotlight from the parade being threatening.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: The L.A.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Deployment and us kind of like living in that kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: of upped my anxiety about the military parade, which ultimately,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I agree with you, was the reverse.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: It was just like, who cares?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think the... 5 million people peacefully protesting
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: also helped too. Like that was an outlet for people's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: anxiety over the parade. And the fact that they smartly
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: did not hold one in DC.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Which I think was, you know, I didn't totally get that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: And I, once I saw how it all unfolded, it
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: was really, really smart. Every, it took the microphone from him.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And by the way, just a lesson of protest over
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the last decade, we are now at the 10 year
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: mark of fucking Trump coming down the escalator. Protests take
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the microphone away from Donald Trump. Like His parade was
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: not the big story. The protests were a much bigger
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: story because it was more interesting, exciting, and newsworthy. Except
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: on Fox News.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Except on Fox. Which did not cut to the protests
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: any time in their three-hour broadcast.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: The protests, they weren't talking about Iran and Israel most
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of that time. They weren't talking about the political assassinations
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. It was just like the most important thing
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in the world right now is this fucking parade.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Look at the treads on that tank. It was all
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: that kind of crap.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It's so wild.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Ridiculous. They're embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: One of the big issues that brought people out to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: protest is Trump's mass deportations, which have become very unpopular
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: very quickly. Late last week, Trump even acknowledged that his
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: immigration raids were hurting farmers and the hospitality industry, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the administration issued new guidance to ICE, telling them to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: pause raids and arrests in the agricultural, hotel, and restaurant industries.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But then on Sunday, Trump made it clear that his
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: deportation policy isn't really about targeting criminals and protecting farmers
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and hospitality workers. It's about targeting immigrants in blue states
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and protecting them in red states. He directed ICE via
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Truth Social to quote, expand efforts to detain and deport
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: illegal aliens in America's largest cities, such as Los Angeles, Chicago,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and New York, because, quote, these and other such cities
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: are the core of the Democrat power center where sanctuary
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: cities play such a big role. You don't hear about
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: sanctuary cities in our heartland. At the G7 on Monday,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Trump responded to a reporter's question about his post.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: You did a post last night where you said you
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: want us to really target Democrats.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I want them to focus on the cities because the
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: cities are where you really have what's called sanctuary cities,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: and that's where the people are. I look at New York,
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: I look at Chicago, look at L.A., L.A., those people
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: weren't from L.A., they weren't from California, most of those people.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: All blue cities, all Democrat-run cities, and they think they're
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: going to use them to vote. It's not going to happen.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's been reported that Trump only changed his
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: mind on the farmworkers after lobbying by his agriculture secretary,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: who was getting help from some of the big farmers
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and producers. many of whom in red states, also business owners.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: What do you make of Trump's back and forth on this?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it feels like it's policy in progress.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: You know, I'd like farm, farms, construction sites, restaurants, meatpacking plants,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: they will all shut down if I deport every undocumented
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: person who works there. And so I'm sure he's getting
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: calls from the CEOs and business interests and business lobbying
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: groups to tell them that much and tell them to
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: dial it down a little bit. It's, but on the
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: political front, we've been saying this all for the past week.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Like Trump wants a fight with liberal cities. They think
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: it's good politics. His staff is giddy when he starts
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: a fight with California or Gavin Newsom, they run to the, uh,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: you know, DC tip sheets to tell them how great
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: it's going for them. And then the polling comes out
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and it shows the opposite. But I did find like
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: what was remarkable about that true social statement. was Trump
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: not kind of like dropping the pretext that it was
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: about safety and security and just saying that Democrats, quote,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: use illegal aliens to expand their voter base, cheat in elections,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: and grow the welfare state, while real Americans are cheering
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: ICE on. That's just not a compelling rationale, I think,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: for most people to explain an ICE raid.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Undocumented immigrants don't vote. How many times are we fucking
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: going to do this again? This whole theory, the whole
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: replacement theory is so ridiculous. They don't vote. And by
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the way, Trump won naturalized immigrants in the last election.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: It's so stupid.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Saying that he's not going to go after farm workers
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: or hospitality workers, those are two of the three big categories.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Tommy mentioned the third, construction. It's interesting he hasn't mentioned
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: that yet. I'm sure people will, his fucking real estate
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: developer buddies will get him on the phone and the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: next thing you'll know say, we're not going to go after,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: we need the construction workers. Because by the way, there
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: are already shortages of construction workers. But it's like, what
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: does Trump want? He wants... to declare victory, he wants
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: images of mass deportations, but he doesn't want the mass
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: deportations to impact the economy. So it's like almost what
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: he wants is deportations without deportees, right? He wants to
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: be claimed to be successfully doing the thing of kind
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: of this kind of campaign against immigrants, but then he
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't want the economic consequences. So California, we're a so-called
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: sanctuary state. The population of undocumented immigrants in California has
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: been going down. It has gone down. It went down
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: by 100,000 from 2019 to 2022. Texas passes a law
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: banning sanctuary cities in 2017. Undocumented immigrants living and working
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: in Texas goes up. Florida passes a law in 2019.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: In the three years since passing that law, Florida's population
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of undocumented immigrants goes up by 400,000. Why? It is
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: not because of the politics. It is despite the politics
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: because people go to where they can afford to work
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and to live. California is too fucking expensive. So for
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the same reason that Florida and Texas brags about their
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: economy all the time, they are drawing all these undocumented immigrants.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And so what has happened? They have created a situation
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: where the most hostile places actually have a growing economy
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: built on the backs of a growing population of undocumented labor.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And so then you have now Trump saying, I'm going
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: to go after what the blue cities, that's where the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: immigrants are. It's just not true, right? There are no
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: sanctuary cities in Florida. There are no sanctuary cities in Texas.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: The politics of the cruelty of what they're doing to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: immigrants or immigrants feeling less safe in those places has
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: had no impact on this, right? Because this is an
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: economic problem. It is not a kind of, you can
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: try to enforce your way out of it without hurting
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the economy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It's just not possible. And so Trump acknowledges that these
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants are vital to our economy and he thinks
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: that they should be protected. And he also just wants
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to make sure that people who've are here illegally who've
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: committed crimes get deported. So one idea for him is
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the people who are here who are undocumented, perhaps if
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: they're working, we can give them some kind of like
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a path where they can then become fully citizens. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: then folks who commit crimes, we can deport them back.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And then we can have a sort of tough security
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: at the border to make sure we don't have more
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: illegal crossings. That's one idea. Now, the reason that we
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: don't have that is because Stephen Miller, who's actually running
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: most of Trump's policy, is telling him that they're all criminals.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: And because Stephen Miller actually wants every undocumented immigrant and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: most documented immigrants out of the country. And he's been
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: very clear on that. He doesn't want legal immigration. They
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: just added another. They're thinking of adding another 36 countries
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to the travel ban list. It used to be Muslim
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: majority countries. Now it's just a lot of people in Africa,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: people of color.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller just doesn't he just doesn't want immigrants here
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: because he hates immigrants because he's hated immigrants since he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was in fucking high school in Santa Monica. And he would,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you know, shout racial slurs at them. So, like, that's
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the kind of dynamic here. And Trump's looking at himself like,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I want the good ones and I don't want the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: bad ones. And he's just too stupid to realize what
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the fucking difference is.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Well, he's even said that he even said some version
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: of like they should be able to stay. There should
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: be some sort of a way for them to stay.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: He's describing comprehensive immigration reform. But then, you know, Stephen
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Miller then says, go to Home Depot. They start going
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to the Home Depots. What does that do? That terrifies
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: people to go to work. It makes it so that
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: people don't show up to do their jobs because they're
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: afraid and it shuts down construction.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: It shuts down businesses. Politically, he should just take the win.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Like you shut down the border, go to the border
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: once a week and brag about it in states where
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the local law enforcement will work with ICE, deport people
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: who are arrested, deport actual criminals in the sanctuary cities
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: where they won't work with you. Let the governor deal
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: with it. You know, like there's just an obvious, like
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: smart political win for him that doesn't involve picking a
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: fight with Los Angeles and New York, but clearly they
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: just want the fight. They want the news cycle.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Miller wants the fight and Miller wants them all gone.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, ICE's own figures, CNN just had a report
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: on this today, and this is from ICE, less than
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: 10% of the roughly 185,000 people booked into ICE custody
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: from October through May 31st have been convicted of serious
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: crimes like murder, rape, assault, or robbery. Less than 10%.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So this whole idea that they're going after the worst
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of the worst, And, you know, DHS put out another
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: statement this morning saying, we're only going after the worst
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of the worst. We know exactly who we're going after.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: That's not true. Because the Wall Street Journal reported last
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: week that Miller said, you don't have to have lists
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: of people that you're targeting anymore. Just go out and
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: make a bunch of arrests, 3,000 arrests a day. That's it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And then they start signaling at home and signaling this. Oh,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: don't worry. We're going to go after the employers next.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. We're going after the employers. That'll help us
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: pick up the deportations or the self-deportations. And then you say, well, okay.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: You're going after employers, but the president just said to
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: leave agriculture alone, and the president just said to leave
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: hotels and restaurants alone. That's the two biggest sectors, or
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: two of the three biggest sectors.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Unless you're a hotel or a restaurant in a blue city.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Then I'm sure he doesn't want to leave you alone.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Because it's all just being made up. They're making it
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: up as they go.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: All right, before we get to my interview with Wes Moore,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I do want to touch on an exciting new product
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: launch from our friends in Trump world. On Monday, Eric
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Trump announced that his family is getting into the mobile
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: phone business. That's right, for just $ 500, you'll be able
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: to get yourself a shiny gold T1 phone from Trump Mobile.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And for a monthly fee of just $ 47. 45, you can
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: sign up for the 47 plan that includes unlimited talk, text, data,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and so much more. Tech journalists are pointing out that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the America First phone looks an awful lot like a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: model already made by the Chinese company WingTech and available
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: on T-Mobile. But it is gold. It is gold. A
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: reporter at 404 Media tried to pre-order the T1 smartphone
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and said the website failed, went to an error page,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and charged in the wrong amount for the down payment.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Were you guys able to put in your pre-orders yet?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: That's so funny. Charging in the wrong amount is such
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: a nice little shift. These things are so stupid. First
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: of all, there's not going to be a real Trump
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: cell phone network. It's a virtual mobile network. Remember Patriot Mobile?
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: They were selling like anti-woke cell service. And then when
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: you really dig into the details, they just buy, they
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: license in bulk access to AT & T, T-Mobile, all
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the so-called woke providers that they're railing against in their ads.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: So you're just getting played. And then there's just literally
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: no way the Trump team can build these phones in
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the US unless this rollout is like five years too early.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Like there's just no infrastructure to build a smartphone in
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: the United States right now. And so if you look
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: at the website, it says Trump Mobile, its products and
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: services are not designed, developed, manufactured, distributed, or sold by
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: the Trump organization or any of their respective affiliates or principals.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: So they're clearly just like licensing out some Chinese phone
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: and then pretending they have their own network. And then
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: in practice, Trump is now like a fake telecom phone operator,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: but also oversees the FCC, which is- Which.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Is no longer independent.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Totally ethical and normal.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: He's taken away the independence of the FCC and- He's
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: got a Trump stooge in charge of it. And now
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: he's in the mobile phone business.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: But I just, yeah, I saw the announcement. I did
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: not think he was building a 5G network of his own.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And I did not think he was making a phone
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: in the United States because nobody does that. We don't
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: do that. So I was like, yeah, okay. So he's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: doing like a kind of whatever.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: He's not building a 5G network of his own because
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: RFK Jr. is like, don't do that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. Those are bad.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: It's going to mess with your boop.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Makes you gay.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Makes the frogs gay. 5G makes the frogs gay, but the, uh, uh, but, uh, yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: but the, the, like, what, what are you guys doing?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: You guys, you're gonna, you're buying, maybe they're assembling them
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: or doing something to make it made in America or
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: assembled in America at some point, which I don't even
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: think they figured this part of it out yet. It
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't totally seem like, by the way, everyone's like, oh,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: this is definitely the phone. Are you sure that's the phone?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Or did somebody grab a picture of a phone off
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the internet and put a fucking gold thing on it?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And they have no idea what the phone's going to
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: be yet. Uh, so like this whole thing is so stupid.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I don't even understand who this grift is for. It's
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: more expensive than some of the cheaper, uh, like similar
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: kind of fake phone brands. So it's like, so this
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: is for like some small subset of Trump super fans.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's like licensing too, because I read that
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: they're working with some of the carriers. So it's not
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: like they're inventing their own Verizon or T-Mobile. They're like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: working with some of these companies to license the mobile carriers.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just a white label on a, just another service.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: And I just don't know. Like, I just truly like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like I'm a pretty big Barack Obama fan,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't buy a phone from the guy.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Remember the Obama phones?
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Remember that scandal?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: This is now a real Obama phone thing.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Those are allegedly giving out free to people. Yeah, the
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: whole grift is I think they partner with some idiotic provider,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: someone who's going to like buy these phones in bulk.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: They slap their name on it and they take like
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: a 20% rip on whatever the sales are.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Right, that's right. There is a company that says they
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: can do this, right? There's a company that says they
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: can do that. That company charges something on top of
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: what it costs to get the service. And then Trump
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and the family charges a service on top of that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: And so whatever the delta is between the cost of
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: like whatever, T-Mobile or whatever, Boost Mobile or whatever, that's
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: the profit they make off the backs of like some
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: dumb fuck, MAGA dumbass buying this phone off of the internet.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So anyway, exciting announcement from us. Buy your own crooked phone.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: We got to do this.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: God, what a stupid time. What a stupid, dangerous time.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Look, you know, you got to have a phone that
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: aligns with your values.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the news is.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: That's what Eric Trump said. We need a phone that
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: aligns with our values.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I know I don't.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I don't need my phone to agree with me. The
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: phone's going to raid a.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: What's the phone going to do?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Stop a trans swimmer?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: My phone doesn't have an agenda. What are you talking about?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: This phone stops trans swimmers. This machine stops DEI hiring policies.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I do want to get our hands on one, one
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: of the Trump phones, if it does come to pass,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: just to see what it looks like.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: They did the watches. They did the NFTs. It's like
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: they're just skimming off the top of their stupid political organization.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Well, he's making a lot of money, I think.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: His last disclosure was like he's made like $ 600 million
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: so far as president.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: He's finally a billionaire.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: He's finally a billionaire. It's unbelievable.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I know to them, I'm not a business guy, but
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: I would just say stick to the crypto. You're selling vaporware.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: You're selling nothing. Getting paid all that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Don't stick to that either. Maybe try to be ethical.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe try to make money the real way. All right,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Jiminy Cricket over here. Fucking Jimmy Carter over here. I'm
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: going to go sell my peanut farm. When we come back,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you'll hear my conversation with Maryland Governor Wes Moore about
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: how governors should be responding to this moment. But one
• 51:49
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• 51:50
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• 51:53
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• 51:56
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• 51:59
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• 52:01
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  Speaker 4: It's great to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Great to be back. So Trump had a military parade
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: over the weekend. It was held in your backyard. I
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: saw that instead of attending, you went for a run
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: with service members at Fort Meade. Having served in the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: military yourself, how did you feel watching whatever coverage you
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: saw of the parade?
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I didn't watch any coverage of
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: the parade. I'm not sure I really missed much. You know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: and it looked like not many people watched it there
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: in person either. You know, but it is one of
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: these things where, you know, I have a deep love
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: for the United States Army because this is an organization
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: that really helped to save my life. You know, I
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: joined the army when I was 17 years old. I
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: joined the army. I wasn't young enough to I wasn't
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: old enough to sign the paperwork. My mom signed the
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: paperwork for me. But this was an organization that didn't
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: just change the trajectory of my life. I think everything
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I learned, everything that I that I gained from serving
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: in the military have been things that I still use
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: to this day. These are these are my brothers and
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: sisters for life, the people who I serve with in Afghanistan.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: And so I took the 250th as something that was
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: very deeply personal. where it's a, you know, the fact
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: that we could be out there and enjoy the freedoms
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: we enjoy, someone had to fight for those, right? Someone
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: had to protect those freedoms. And oftentimes it was the
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: people who were wearing the uniforms that I wore, the
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: uniforms that the people, you know, who we celebrate wore,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: and also as a celebration of those who died in
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: those uniforms. And so I just thought that there was
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: a much better way for us to be able to
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: remember the importance of the United States Army. There was
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: a much better way for us to be able to
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: remember the importance of those men and women who raised
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: their hands to serve in an organization that has helped
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: to make this country as strong as it is. There's
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: a much better way to remember those. And frankly, when
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: you were watching an administration who's doing things like cutting
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: the budget for the Department of Veterans Affairs, cutting benefits
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: for veterans, that is firing federal workers at just this
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: breakneck speed. regardless of the fact that one in three
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: federal workers are military veterans themselves, but then you think
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: that a celebration of the army is throwing a parade
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: on your birthday. I just find it to be, you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: just deeply tone deaf and frankly, deeply offensive.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was saying to a friend earlier that I
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: sort of felt for the troops watching the parade. And
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I wonder having, you know, served yourself and, you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: received the training you did, you know, not asking you
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to put yourself in the, in the minds of every
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: service member, but how do you think it feels in
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the armed services right now? You have, you know, federal
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: troops in the streets of LA or federalized guard. You
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: have Marines here as well. There was that speech at
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Fort Bragg the other week where Trump, they screened participants
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: for loyalty to Trump and you had some service members
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: behind him who were more pro-Trump and they were booing
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: names of Democratic officials when Trump was attacking them and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: cheering when he was making fun of others. How do
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: you think it feels to be serving in the military
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: right now, considering the political backdrop?
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: It's sad, and I do feel for them. I think
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: your description is right. I just feel horrible for them
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: because that's not why we signed up. I had the
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: honor of serving with some of the most amazing men
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: and women that I've ever met, and I And there
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: was one question I never asked a single one of them.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: What's your political party? I never asked one of them
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: how they voted in the last election. I never asked
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: one of them, you know, what your voter registration is. Never.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: The men and women who I led, the men and
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: women who I served with, the only thing that we
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: had in our minds was our ability to take care
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: of each other and to do everything in our power
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: to make sure that we were bringing the other one home,
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: you know, that no matter what, that we would do
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: everything in our power to make sure that you got
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: back home to your family. And, um, and, and I,
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: and I think about just how different an experience this
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: is for these men and women who are, who are
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: serving in some cases, again, you know, I have members
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: of the 82nd airborne division. That was, that was, that
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: was my unit in Afghanistan. And it's just kind of
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: unimaginable to think that that's something that, uh, that they're
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: being asked, uh, now about their political loyalties, whether or
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: not they're going to get a chance to be seen
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: on television or not. Uh, I just think that the
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: work is too serious for that. The consequences are too
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: dire for that. And that these are people who have
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: put their hands on a Bible and pledged allegiance, not
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: to an individual. Now, I never took a pledge. I
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: never took an oath to the president of the United States.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: My oath was to the constitution, right? My oath was
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: to the values. My oath was to protect this country,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: to fight and win our nation's war. to protect our
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That was the
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: oath that I took. It was never to an individual,
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: no matter who the commander-in-chief was at the time. And
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I just think it's really important that the way we
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: honor the service of these individuals who are part of
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: the less than 1% who have raised their hand of
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: this country to be able to protect it and defend
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: it and to give their lives if necessary, the way
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: you honor their service is by respecting the oath that
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: they took. And I just felt like that was a,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: and the things that we've seen, it wasn't just one incident.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: It's just now kind of repeated a series of incidents.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Just seemed to be a real deviation of the oath
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: that we all took.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: So also this weekend, it seems like an estimated 5
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: million or so people came out to protest Donald Trump,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: one of the single largest protests in American history. I've
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: had a couple of people ask me, What's the actual
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: goal of these protests and where do they go from here?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: You know, I respect people's First Amendment rights. And I
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: think that we all have a right to the freedom
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: of assembly, of a freedom of speech. And I think
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: that people should pay attention that there is a very
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: real frustration to what's happening with this administration. And it's not,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: the really interesting thing about the protest is it's not
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: a frustration to an individual incident. It's not a frustration saying, oh,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: it's the policy around immigration. Or, oh, this is a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: policy around the potential cuts to Medicaid. Or, oh, this
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: is a protest to the way that we are firing
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: federal workers. Because the motivations for so many people who
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: are out there marching is varied and it's different. But
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: it's all tied up in one theme. And that is
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: this idea that no one is above the law and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: everyone has an obligation to defend it, protect it, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: follow it. That's the whole idea of no kings, right?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: And so that's the thing that I think is really
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: powerful in some ways about the protest is there's not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: a single political issue that got people out there. But
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: it is just on this idea that we believe that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: the president of the United States should actually follow the law.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: And we believe that the people collectively, that our voice
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: is much bigger and much stronger than just an individual
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: or even a individual political party that's involved. Because I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: think even out there, you didn't just see Democrats, right?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: There were Democrats, independents, Republicans, agnostics out there, but they're
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: all protesting the idea of protecting a value and something
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: that we as Americans take very seriously and very personally.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: And so I think the thing that we've got to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: remember in all this, though, And the question of where
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: do we take it from here? We have to remember
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: that this energy and this push is not about a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: singular day. It's we have to keep the intensity up.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: And we also have to remember that the results that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: people are hoping for and hoping to see in their
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: own lives, that that's something that we're not willing to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: compromise on either. How we're going to be remembered in
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: this moment, 10 years from now, is not how loud
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: we yelled. It's not how many people showed up to protest.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: It was the fact that were we able to deliver
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: on the hopes that people actually have for what their
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: government can provide. And I think if we do that,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: then we can turn this thing from just a, from a,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: from a moment to a much larger, to a much
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: larger movement.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure you were horrified by the news of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the political assassinations in Minnesota over the weekend. I didn't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: think it could get any worse until I saw the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: reaction from prominent right-wing figures in who spread obviously false
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: conspiracies about the shooter's politics.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: U.S.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Senator Mike Lee said this is what happens when Marxists
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: don't get their way. Senator Bernie Moreno, Elon Musk both
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: said it shows how the left has become violent. Trump
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: influencers like Mike Chernovich and Alex Jones even suggested that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Tim Waltz was behind the assassination. You had tweeted how,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you know, saddened you were by it. And you also
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: said that we need a renewed commitment to civil discourse.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: How do we even begin to do that when, that's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the reaction from some of the most influential people in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the Republican party.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: Um, it's tough. It's tough when, um, when something so horrific, uh, happens, uh,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: to two people. And, and, and frankly, I, I, um,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: I don't care what your political affiliation is. I don't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: care if you agree or disagree. Um, when you have
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: two public servants who were who were taken out, I mean,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: literally targeted assassinations and then targeted assassination attempts for, you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: because of a political ideology. I, you know, you cannot
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: tell me that the attempts that we saw, that we
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: saw on Franklin and President Trump, that that should break
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: your heart any more or any less than what we
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: saw in Minnesota. And I think it says a whole
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: lot about people who, uh, who think that, uh, that, uh,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: that somehow that, uh, the politics was behind one of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: the danger of this political violence, uh, is, is more
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: dangerous from one than the other. You know, we have,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: we have to remember that, um, that in this time,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: it is important for us to be able to, um,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: both turn down the, the language and the rhetoric, um,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: and to know that, you know, that, that, Being a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: public servant should not mean risking your life. And we've
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: passed legislation here in the state of Maryland that's focused
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: on things like protecting our judges and protecting our election
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: workers because we've had election workers attacked. We've had a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: judge recently in the state of Maryland, over in Western Maryland, assassinated,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: killed in front of his own home. So we've been
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: very clear that this level of political violence and political
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: vitriol is not just dangerous and must be stopped, but...
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: But we have to be able to have the courage
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: to be able to call it out no matter what
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: it looks like and no matter who's doing it.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Is it something you've worried about for yourself, your own family?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I think it's something that for each
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: and every one of us we worry about. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I unfortunately, you know, I get FBI and intelligence reports
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: every single week. I know how the level of threats
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: have increased since I've been the governor. As the first
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: black governor in the history of the state of Maryland,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: as only the third African-American ever elected as a governor
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: in this country's history, I've seen the data about the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: increase in threats that have come. I also know this,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: that the thing we're asking of our public servants and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: the promise we make to our public servants is for
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: people who are willing to raise their hands. for people
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: who are willing to serve something bigger than themselves, for
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: people who are willing to go into this work, understanding
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: the difficulties that it presents to you and your family members,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: at least that we can do is to make sure
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: that you can feel safe in your own home, in
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: your own communities, in your own skin, that your families
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: can feel safe. And that it's not just the obligation, frankly,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: of law enforcement to be able to provide that, For us,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: it's up to the citizens, whether they are supporters of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: us or not, to be able to say that we can,
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  Speaker 4: even if we disagree with what a person is saying,
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  Speaker 4: it should never get to a point that we are
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: then threatening them or their families or their family's safety.
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  Speaker 1: So we still have American troops deployed here in Los Angeles,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: and Trump just directed ICE to expand operations in blue
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: state cities. How are you planning to handle a potential
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: expansion of immigration raids in a city like Baltimore, or
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: even a deployment of troops in your state, or Trump
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: trying to federalize the Maryland National Guard. There was a
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Washington Post story last week that said Trump wants the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: National Guard to play a bigger role in immigration enforcement
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: going forward.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, as both the commander-in-chief of Maryland's National Guard,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: and as someone who's worn the uniform, you know, truthfully,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: I take that role very seriously. In fact, just this
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: past weekend, I was with the members of our National
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Guard as they were training up to be able to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: help protect our citizens if we called out orders for
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: them to do so. And I'm a big believer that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: the people on the ground have the best understanding about
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: what's happening. There's a reason that we have an escalation
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  Speaker 4: of resources that we can deploy, that I know how
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: many local law enforcement officers we have. I know how
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: many state law enforcement officers have. I know what we
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: have in terms of our national guard. And so that's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: why I think for the people on the ground, we
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: have the best understanding of what's needed and what's required
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  Speaker 4: in situations to make sure that our people are safe,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: which for me is the number one priority, to make
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: sure that the people in my state are safe. And
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: I take that responsibility very seriously. But when it comes
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: to immigration, I also know that this is a very
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: personal issue. You know, I was raised by an immigrant
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: single mom and our immigration system is functionally broken. And
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: there's one group who can solve it. And that's Congress.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: And the truth is the president of the United States
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: could fix the immigration problem right now if he chose to.
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  Speaker 4: He could just simply go to the Speaker of the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: House and say, I need a comprehensive immigration bill on
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: my desk next week. And it would be on his
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: desk next week because he has the votes. He has
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: the House. He has the Senate. He has the White House.
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  Speaker 4: And he's not doing it. He's just simply choosing to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: use executive actions, many of which illegal, to be able
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: to deal with an issue because he has no interest
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: in dealing with the issue. And so it is very,
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  Speaker 4: very frustrating as the chief executive of a state and, frankly,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: as a commander-in-chief of a National Guard in the fact
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: that we do have a broken system. But the commander
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: in chief of the United States Army does not seem
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: to have an interest in actually fixing it, just has
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: an interest in weaponizing it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and not just weaponizing it, but it does seem
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  Speaker 1: like his policy is, okay, if you're a farmer or
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: you're in the hospitality industry and you're in red states
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  Speaker 1: or places that voted for me, maybe we can back
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: off on immigration enforcement and we'll just target blue states.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: That's been the case on many of his policies and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: many of the institutions he's targeted since becoming president. How
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: do you see this as, you know, a governor of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: a blue state in terms of just sort of Trump
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: using the office to sort of declare war on blue America?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. The way that I see it is none of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: this is terribly shocking. None of this is terribly surprising. Um, I,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: we've been, we've been, we've been battle boarding, um, for
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: this type of scenario for a very long time. Uh,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: so the thing that we do is, you know, we
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: control the things that we can control. And one of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: the great things about being a governor, honestly, John, is that,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: you know, we're able to show what an alternative looks
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: like where, you know, we tell our people where, you know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: we have a, we have a president of the United
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: States who right now is, uh, is with his whole
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: Doge project, um, uh, is now actively just firing people.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: federal workers. And we have a greater level of exposure
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: in the state of Maryland than anyone else because I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: have over 260,000 federal employees in my state. And while
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: he is arbitrarily firing federal workers, we're spending our time
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: making sure that our federal workers are supported by actually
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: streamlining them into available state and private sector jobs and
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: making sure that if I have a person who is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: qualified and interested, I want to get them as quickly
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: as possible, get them in classrooms, right? Get them in hospitals, right?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Get them in places where we have a shortage to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: know that their skills are necessary and know that we
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: have a society that is going to benefit from their
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: continued service. When we have a president of the United
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: States who is spending their time being able to use
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: a budget to be able to shrink the economy. We
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: saw a contraction of the U.S. economy in the first
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: quarter for the first time that we've seen in years.
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  Speaker 4: And in our state, we've actually gone from 43rd in
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: the country in unemployment to now being amongst the lowest
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: unemployment rates in the entire country by being able to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: focus on things like apprenticeship programs, by making Maryland the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: first state in the country to have a service year
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: option for all of our high school graduates, by doing
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: the largest mass pardon in the history of the United
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: States of America and getting people back into the workforce,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: particularly people who've been excluded for the workforce for things
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: like a misdemeanor cannabis conviction from the 1980s. And so
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I think the thing that we've really focused on in
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: our state is that this binary, this us versus them, this,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: you know, that the only way that I can win
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: is if you lose, that we're just showing in the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: state of Maryland that we think differently, that we actually
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: think that part of the goal is that we can
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: build a society where, as I learned in the military
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: when I was 17 years old, where we leave no
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: one behind. And that is the kind of society that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: shows that we don't have to just fall in lines.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: with what the president of the United States is doing,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: that we can actually provide an alternative. And I think
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: the people of our state are responding well to it.
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  Speaker 1: When Governor Newsom spoke about the raids and the troop
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: deployment last week, he said, quote, democracy is under assault
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: right before our eyes. This moment we have feared has arrived.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Trump is taking a wrecking ball to our founding father's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: historic project. Do you agree with all that? Are you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: at the same level of alarm?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you can't look at what's happening right
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: now and think that this is normal. These are very
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: abnormal times. And these are times when we're watching not
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: just an overreach of executive authority, but in many ways
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: an illegal reach of executive authority. The thing I would
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: also say about that, though, is this, is I'm also
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: very honest about our country's history. I'm also very honest
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: about about our founding fathers and what their intent was.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm not sure if I was part of their
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: full intent when our founding fathers first put together the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: documents of this country and first put together the foundation
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: of this country. I think this country is a constant evolution.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: I think this country has had a deeply uneven history.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: But that's actually the thing that also gives me hope
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  Speaker 4: is that I don't sit there and act like the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: country's history doesn't exist. I think the country's history is
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: real and it matters. And this country has had a
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: very brutal history for a lot of groups. I also
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: know that the reason that I can stand here as
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: the governor of Maryland is because there were Marylanders like
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: Harriet Tubman and Marylanders like Frederick Douglass and Marylanders like
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: Thurgood Marshall, who when they saw this type of breakage,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: when they saw this type of unevenness, when they saw
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: these type of illegal activities taking place, that they fought.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: And they're willing to fight for, they didn't know me
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: by name, but they fought for the hope of me.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: And that's the responsibility that I very much take on
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: right now, is that this country has seen these type
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: of behaviors before. This country has had these type of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: behaviors as part of its core foundation before. But I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: think understanding that history is also the thing that gives
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: me a real sense of realism and frankly hope that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: joy does come in the morning, but you got to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: fight for it. And that's exactly what we've chosen to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: do here in Maryland.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of our country's history, back in May, you vetoed
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: legislation that would have created a commission to study the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: issue of reparations for slavery in Maryland. Your basic reasoning
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: has been, we don't need another study. And, you know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: it's time to focus on the work itself of tackling
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: racial disparities. Obviously, you know, you've got some heat for that.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Studies aside, though, do you believe reparations are justified? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when I when I looked at the bill
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: and the length, the language of the bill literally lays
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: out that we are going to do do do this,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: do the this study, this commission. And then in two years,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: they bring the recommendation to the governor. My point is this.
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  Speaker 4: I am the governor. I don't need two years. Let's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: get to work. And I think about the work that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: we have done in the state of Maryland. No state
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: has been as aggressive in these past two years on
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: this worker repair that we've seen in the state of Maryland.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: That in the past two years, we've invested over $ 1. 3
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: billion going towards our HBCUs, which is a 60% increase
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: than we saw from our predecessor. And we've gotten it
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: done in two years. That we have created over 1,600
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: new black homeowners in the state of Maryland by making
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: sure we're prioritizing investments to first-time homebuyers, that we have
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: been able to invest over $ 800 million going towards Black-owned businesses.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: And by being able to do things from procurement reform,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: expungement reform, sign the largest mass pardon in the history
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: of the United States of America, there is nobody who
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: is questioning my commitment to this work or my commitment
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: to the work of repair. But what I am saying
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: is this, is that there's been a whole series of
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: scholarship on this issue There's been a whole series of reports.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: There have been four others in just the past 25
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: years in Maryland that have been along these lines, right?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: And my only point is this, is this is the time,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm excited to do that work with the members
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: of our General Assembly, with the members of the Black Caucus,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: who have done really good work on this, and a
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: lot of stuff we've done together. And this is the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: time for continued action, that I don't need two years.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm ready to go right now. And that's the focus
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: that I want to be able to take because the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: truth is, is that I know how much time I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: have left. In fact, you know, a clock sits on
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: my desk that I now have 500, I believe now
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: 21 days left in my first term. I'm not wasting
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: one of them. And I'm ready to be able to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: continue the work of repair that our state needs because
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: the truth is, is that the history of racism is
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: littered throughout every single aspect of the state of Maryland.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: And people know this. It's time for us to be
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: able to do action on it.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: It also sounds like you believe that the work of
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: reparations can more effectively be done with some of the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: policies and some of the steps you've taken in Maryland
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: to help target racial disparities as opposed to reparations, which
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: is a politically loaded, controversial word that may not have
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: the political support necessary to in comparison to some of
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the policies that you've taken on in Maryland. Is that right?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think racism is not an act, right?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: Because I think it actually lets people off the hook
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: too easy. Because I think it's like, you know, a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: person's like, well, I don't wear a hood. I don't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: say the N-word, so I'm not racist. Racism is not
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: an act. Racism is a system. Racism is a system
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: that allows an eight-to-one racial wealth gap. in the state
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: of Maryland. And we have an eight to one racial
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: wealth gap, not because one group is working eight times harder, right?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: It's a system that is put in place.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: That racism, that it's not an act that caused historical redlining.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: It's not an act that caused unfair appraisal values in
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: historically redlined neighborhoods.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: It's not an act that caused business creation to be
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: so dispersed and to be so divided. It's not an act.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: that cause access to capital to be so limited, particularly
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: in black communities, that this is a system that has
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: created that. And so I believe deeply, deeply, that the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: work of repair is about repairing systems. Because you could
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: have a conversation about how are we addressing individual acts
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: all you want. If the people still exist in a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: system That doesn't work. If people still exist in a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: system that is broken, if people still exist in a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: system that allows children not to get the education that
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: they need, for racism to show itself in the air
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: that people are breathing, in the water that people are drinking,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: in the homes that people are living in, in the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: way that they are policed, in the transportation assets they
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: have and do not have, then the work of repair
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: is not going to be done by addressing an act.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: The work of repair is only done when you're addressing systems.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: And that's why I think the focus that we've had
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: in the state of Maryland over these past two years
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: where we collectively have moved on these issues faster and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: more aggressively than anyone else in the country. And I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: don't think there's anyone who can claim anything different. Focusing
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: on this issue of work, wages, and wealth that I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: am deeply aware of our history. That's why I'm so
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: aggressive on it. But I also know I'm not going
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: to let people off the hook by simply saying we're
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: going to address it by addressing individual acts. I am
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: attacking systems because I think that's the only way that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: we're going to be able to address this in a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: longstanding fashion.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: So you've been very clear that you are not currently
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: running for president. You've talked about focusing on the urgency
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: of 2025 before we get to 2028. Fair enough. Your
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: recent travel schedule has also included events in South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Michigan in a few weeks. Fair to assume also that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: you're at least thinking about it?
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not running. It's not fair to assume. Because honestly,
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  Speaker 4: if you look at where.
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  Speaker 1: So you will not run? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not, no. And here's actually I think the important
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  Speaker 4: thing for people to remember with this is I will
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  Speaker 4: go anywhere and everywhere. to be able to not just
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  Speaker 4: talk about the good things that our state is doing,
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  Speaker 4: but also make sure that more people are coming to
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  Speaker 4: my state. You know, the states that you mentioned are important,
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  Speaker 4: but also it doesn't mention the other places that we've
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  Speaker 4: also gone that might not be quote unquote battleground states.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what I was doing? I was talking
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  Speaker 4: to businesses to try to get them to come to
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  Speaker 4: the state of Maryland, just like I was doing in
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  Speaker 4: those states. And when I say I'm not running and
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  Speaker 4: why I feel so confident and very secure in that
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  Speaker 4: is I'm also very much a person who I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when I You know, I remember when I have a
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  Speaker 4: mentor of mine, the great Elijah Cummings, who was a
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  Speaker 4: congressman out of Baltimore, who was not just a dear friend,
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  Speaker 4: but a mentor. And when he passed away, there were
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people who came up and said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you should really consider running for his seat. And it
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  Speaker 4: was very humbling to include people very close to him.
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  Speaker 4: And it was very humbling. But I knew in my
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  Speaker 4: heart that's not what I wanted to do. So there
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  Speaker 4: was nothing that anyone could tell me to make me
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  Speaker 4: do it. Um, I remember when I was getting ready,
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  Speaker 4: when I said to myself, and I thought, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I want to run for governor. There were a lot
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: of people who tell me I shouldn't run for governor.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, you can't win. I don't know why you're
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  Speaker 4: doing this. This is going to end really, really badly
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  Speaker 4: for you. Um, and I knew there was nothing that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: anyone could tell me to make me not run. So
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: I am, I am, I'm very comfortable with, uh, and,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: and confident with, and thankful for the fact that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a kid who literally you know, had handcuffs on
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: my wrist when I was 11 years old, whose mother
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: didn't get her first job that gave her benefits until
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: I was 14. And I'm now serving as the chief
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: executive of my state. Like I am like, I'm playing
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: with house money right now. And I'm loving the work
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: that we're doing in Maryland because I think Maryland is
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: just leading the country in so many different things in
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: terms of raising wages, in terms of, you know, driving historic,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: historically low unemployment rates, driving historic drops in violent crime.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: being able to actually create wealth and wealth opportunities for
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: everyone in our communities. Like I'm, I love my job
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: and I love what I'm doing. And I'm also very
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: clear that, um, that, that, uh, when I decided something, um,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: no one can tell me different. Uh, and, uh, and,
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  Speaker 4: and I know I'm not running for, I'm not running for,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: for anything else, except I'm running for, I'm running for reelection, uh,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: next year. And I hope people in my state give
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: me an opportunity to, uh, to have another four years.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then last question for you. Um, we need good
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: presidential candidates in this party. Uh, In general, how do
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you think the National Democratic Party is meeting this moment?
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  Speaker 4: Um, it's a hard question because I don't, um, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't focus on it that much. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I just being, just being totally honest,
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  Speaker 4: like I went, I remember when I ran for, for governor, um,
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  Speaker 4: we ran against, there's like 12, there's like 11 other
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: people running for governor. They had, we had statewide elected officials.
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  Speaker 4: We had two Obama cabinet secretaries. We have, uh, We
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: had a former head of the DNC, literally had a
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: former head of the Democratic Party who ran for governor.
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  Speaker 4: And then me, the guy who had never run for
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: office before in my life, who is now saying, hey,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I want to run for governor. And I ended up
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: getting more individual votes than anyone who'd ever run for
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: governor in the history of the state of Maryland. So
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: I guess kind of my point is, is that I
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: was never the party's choice before. The party didn't ask
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: me to run. The party didn't come in and say,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: you're the guy who we want to be the next
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: governor of Maryland. The people did. And so I've decided
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not the best person to give the party advice
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: as to what they should do because I was never
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: the party's choice in the first place. But I do
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: think that what does become really important in this moment
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: is if you're not delivering results for people and if
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: people don't find you to be authentic, they're never going
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: to support you. You know what I mean? Like the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: reason that we are doing really nation-leading work around young
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: men and boys is here in the state of Maryland
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: is not because we lost them as a voting bloc
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: in 2024 and what are we now going to, like, nah,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: the reason we've been doing this work since day one
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: of our administration is because it was a core part
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: of why I decided to get in this race in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: the first place. And I think when you're looking at
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: who voted for us and the fact that we did,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: we've done very well with young men and boys in
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: our elections is because they know it's real. And it's authentic, right?
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  Speaker 4: The reason that we focused on having a service year option,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: making Maryland the first state in this country that has
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: a service year option for every one of our high
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: school graduates is not because it polled well. In fact,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: when I first moved virtually, it didn't poll well at all,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: but it's because it's authentic. And I believe in it.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: I believe in this time of this political divisiveness and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: political vitriol that service will save us. And so I
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: think that the, I don't know, the best advice I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: guess I can give, and again, I don't get my
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: talking points from the party. But the thing that I
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: would suggest that people do is be authentic and don't
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: forget why you got in this business in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: And if you do that, I think the people will
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: respond because I think they'll see that you care about them,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: you care about their families, you care about their legacy,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: and that you are doing everything in your power to
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: be able to make sure that that's gonna be protected.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: And I guess like we saw in our campaign, in
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: our race that the people will reward you for.
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  Speaker 1: That's good advice. You should be giving more to the party.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Governor Westmore, thank you so much for joining Playsave America.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Great to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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