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Set 2: Dismantling Chet (w/Shea Serrano) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: He is the author of five New York Times best sellers.
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  Speaker 2: He's one more than me? Is he?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: You can subscribe to his newsletter Goodmovie dot substack dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Publishing a piece today about Game seven of the Spurs series.
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  Speaker 1: He's on my Mount Rushmore of Spurs fans along with
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Beadle.
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  Speaker 2: Can you think of two more?
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  Speaker 3: I mean Danny Trey Hoe, Sam Jackson. Okay, yes yeah,
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  Speaker 3: kick me, Kick me off of there. Selena can have
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  Speaker 3: my spot.
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  Speaker 1: All right, he's a monster monster Spurs fan, so we
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  Speaker 1: start here. Your thoughts on Miles Garrett being traded to
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  Speaker 1: the l A Rams today?
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  Speaker 2: About that?
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  Speaker 3: I think this is a huge pickup for the Spurs
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  Speaker 3: via the Rams. I don't know anything about football other
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  Speaker 3: than when the playoffs start. I watched whatever team is.
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  Speaker 2: On There you go.
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  Speaker 1: We have put Jalen Brunson, me and Taylor on the
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  Speaker 1: Knicks Mount Rushmore. He hasn't won the title, but he's
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  Speaker 1: certainly deserving being on the Knicks.
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  Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore. San Antonio has.
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  Speaker 1: A much more storied history than the New York Knicks,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm wondering has Wemby already arrived at a place
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  Speaker 1: where people are saying he is a part of the
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  Speaker 1: Spurs Mount Rushmore.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's on there yet. He's close already,
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  Speaker 3: He's closer than you would expect, just basically one and
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  Speaker 3: a half season, two seasons in. But he's not there yet.
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  Speaker 3: That we've got too many guys, with too many guys.
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  Speaker 3: He's ahead of Kawhi though, I'll tell you that we've
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  Speaker 3: got them already ahead of Kawhi.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Is that because of the departure, because of Jet?
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  Speaker 3: He's just a lot of stuff. It's a lot of things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a.
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  Speaker 2: Name one of them.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Shay, could you describe.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm watching last or Game seven and the emotion
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  Speaker 5: that Wemby had, and I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people that would say, like, oh, save it for the
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  Speaker 5: title game, you know, save it for the championship and
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  Speaker 5: all that.
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  Speaker 4: But everything that he does seems like so pure.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know if teammates follow along with that,
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  Speaker 5: because most of them are young enough to be like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: we like this guy or what. But is it something
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  Speaker 5: that you've seen? Is there somebody you can compare it
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  Speaker 5: to in the past. The first thing I think of
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  Speaker 5: is Magic Johnson, But is there some sort of comparison
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  Speaker 5: in the past or NBA or is this like a
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  Speaker 5: one of one situation where we've seen this guy have
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  Speaker 5: an impact like never before.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think that's an exactly perfect comparison. You think
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  Speaker 3: of somebody like Magic Johnson who wins his first game
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  Speaker 3: at the Buzzer on a Kareem hook shot and then
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  Speaker 3: reacts like crazy, and you know the famous Magic Johnson's
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  Speaker 3: story is they tell him, hey, you got to chill out.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're never gonna sustain this for all of these games,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, no, I'm like this all of the time,
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  Speaker 3: forever he was, and that's like what led him to
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  Speaker 3: be as great as he was. Wimby has the same
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing. He had that incredible quote a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks ago when people were asking him about that,
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  Speaker 3: because with Wimby a big time win, crying big time loss,
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  Speaker 3: he's crying doesn't matter whatever it is, and they asked
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  Speaker 3: him about it. The quote was something along the lines
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  Speaker 3: of I refuse to carry the burden of hiding my
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  Speaker 3: emotions or whatever. It was something like that, Like you
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  Speaker 3: say something like that and go like, oh, okay, he
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  Speaker 3: just sort of is going to do what he wants
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  Speaker 3: to do, how he wants to do it, and then
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  Speaker 3: he talks about it afterward of like explaining the way
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  Speaker 3: he uses those emotions to like catalyze everything he's doing
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  Speaker 3: on the basketball court. I don't I don't get any
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  Speaker 3: sort of criticism anybody could lobby at him. He was
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  Speaker 3: too excited to win a game seven on the road
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  Speaker 3: against the defending champs in his first playoff run, to
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  Speaker 3: send his team to the finals for the first time
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  Speaker 3: in twelve year. What are you talking about? He's too excited.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe if your guy was more excited, you would be
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  Speaker 3: up there with him, Shay.
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  Speaker 6: Do do Spurs fans hate the Thunder and Chet Holmgren
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  Speaker 6: as much as Wenby?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, yes? Then to Kriba to krib
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  Speaker 3: a line from Kendrick Lamar. We inherited the beef is
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  Speaker 3: what we did when we showed up and he was like,
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  Speaker 3: I hate this guy. We never there was never an
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  Speaker 3: like here's why I hate him. He just went I
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  Speaker 3: hate this guy, and we all went, well, yes, well
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  Speaker 3: we hate him too. Now we hate him too. Now
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  Speaker 3: watching watching Chet fall apart, like fully fall apart, just
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  Speaker 3: during this this conference finals, it was sort of unbelievable
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  Speaker 3: to watch that. Every Spur that went by him shoved him,
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  Speaker 3: pushed him, yelled at him, talked ship talked s to him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if okay, okay, every single one of
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  Speaker 3: them did it. Devin Vessell, especially Devin Vizelle, was on
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  Speaker 3: him every single time and all of the time leading
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  Speaker 3: up to this. In Chet's career, he had like a
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  Speaker 3: like a sharpness to him, like a nastiness to him, right,
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  Speaker 3: like this sort of swaggering confidence. He had that all
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  Speaker 3: the way up until he had to stand across the
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  Speaker 3: court from a guy who's bigger than he is and
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  Speaker 3: better at everything that he does than he was, and
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  Speaker 3: just hated his friggin guts. So yeah, watching watching it
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  Speaker 3: happen as a Spurs fan, like as a basketball fan, Yeah, heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 3: We just watched the like Ben's Simmons offication of Chet
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  Speaker 3: Holmgren of like all NBA player. We watched that as
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  Speaker 3: a Spurs fan. Is the funniest thing I ever saw
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  Speaker 3: in my life.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't that dunk by the Cell at the end, just
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  Speaker 5: basically in capitalization of all that, It's like, hey, we're
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  Speaker 5: so sick of this thing.
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  Speaker 4: We just ran through you. Guys, here's a dunk to take.
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  Speaker 2: Home with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly what it was. That's that was the
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  Speaker 3: most fuck you dunk in Spurs history for sure. I
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  Speaker 3: can't you know, in basketball history, we can go through them.
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  Speaker 3: But that's exactly what that was.
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  Speaker 1: Have you gone through the fuck you dunks before? Because
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  Speaker 1: that would be delightful.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever done that? I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 2: more fuck you dunk?
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  Speaker 4: Gotti over you was one, So.
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  Speaker 3: There's one, you know, uh, shoot, Pipping over Ewing, that's
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  Speaker 3: a fuck you dunk? You know in the in the
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  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, you know, any of the disrespectful ones,
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  Speaker 3: shack over deadly, so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: Shay I got an idea for a six book collaboration,
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  Speaker 1: me and you. Okay, fuck you dunks, Fuck you dunks?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? Huh?
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  Speaker 3: I'm in wait.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you how much work he's gonna put
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  Speaker 1: into the book. Listen Vince Carter, Olympics. Listen Vince Carter,
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  Speaker 1: Frederick Weiss, Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: What do you got?
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  Speaker 3: Huh huh, Yeah, it's in there.
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  Speaker 2: It's in there.
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  Speaker 1: It's in the book, right see, I'm contributing. Just back
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  Speaker 1: to Wendy for a second. If he gave him the choice,
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  Speaker 1: he could win the NBA Finals or beat Sheet in
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  Speaker 1: the best of seven. Which one does he choose?
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  Speaker 3: I think you could, I think win the NBA Finals
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  Speaker 3: or beat Chet in like a game of paper roses.
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  Speaker 3: He's choosing paper rocks. He's driven by it. It's unbelievable,
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  Speaker 3: and he's open about it. Is the best part, just like, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It is unbelievable, Shade, because not only is he so
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  Speaker 5: much better than Chet, but he says it every time
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  Speaker 5: and then proves it.
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  Speaker 4: So why is it still even a rivalry in his mind?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 1: I think Chet beat him once, right, and he's still
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  Speaker 1: holding onto that. It was like international games or something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah that the U nineteen France versus USA Championship,
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  Speaker 3: Wimby files out, Chet wins MVP. Wemby. I still watch them.
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  Speaker 3: That's all it takes. When somebody is as maniacal as Wimby.
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  Speaker 3: This is the thing that we're learning this postseason about Wimby.
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  Speaker 3: You've got hints of it earlier in his career, but
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  Speaker 3: during the playoffs is when you like learn who somebody is. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and we watched this happen. You watch this happened with Kobe.
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  Speaker 3: Kobe is a perfect example, right, He has that series
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  Speaker 3: against Utah where he shoots the four airballs in a
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  Speaker 3: row and something like that is either going to break
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  Speaker 3: you or it's going to turn you into a maniac,
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  Speaker 3: And it turned Kobe into a into an I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do everything I can to never lose again maniac.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Jordan had it magic. All of the game's greatest
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  Speaker 3: winners have that thing inside of them that allows them
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  Speaker 3: to attach winning to whatever little tiny morsel of motivation
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  Speaker 3: they can get to play harder. I was listening to
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  Speaker 3: Bomani the other day and it was so funny hearing
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  Speaker 3: them talk at about, uh, do the Thunder actually have
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  Speaker 3: to consider trading Chet if only because how much Winby
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  Speaker 3: hates Like that's.
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  Speaker 4: A conversation target somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like we got to just
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  Speaker 3: get rid of this guy. Just bring it. Let's trade
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  Speaker 3: them straight up for for anybody. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Your fear though, is that Oklahoma City now realizes
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  Speaker 1: their deficiencies and goes out and gets Giannis, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: that has to be a fear.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not afraid of Giannis. Why would I
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  Speaker 3: be afraid of you?
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  Speaker 1: Why nobody afraid of anything? Shay, you're right, you have
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  Speaker 1: that guy. Yes, well let me throw this.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think that Kevin Durant to Golden State
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  Speaker 5: ten years ago ruined the possibility of Giannis going to
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  Speaker 5: Okay see, because it would be the same move they
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  Speaker 5: just lost. Now you're going over there to these champions
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  Speaker 5: from a year ago to try to bring them back
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  Speaker 5: over the top. Now, now Janis is not a kadie.
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  Speaker 5: He's going somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yanis one one already go ahead? Sorry, sure,
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  Speaker 2: no or not?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even remember what I was going to say. Yea,
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  Speaker 3: I'm right there. I'm right here.
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  Speaker 1: You're not scared of Oklahoma City, doesn't matter who they
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  Speaker 1: fucking get, because you have an alien that's what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not scared of anybody else. I'm still
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  Speaker 3: scared of Oklahoma City because here's the thing. They were
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  Speaker 3: missing Jalen. They were they were you know, they're they're
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  Speaker 3: they're down. I mean aj Aj was like okay when
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  Speaker 3: he was in the series. But but Jalen, Jalen Williams,
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  Speaker 3: I'm afraid of. Like that's an all NBA. That's a
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  Speaker 3: guy you can't break. We could break Chet, you can't
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  Speaker 3: break Jalen like he's gonna be. You know, he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: put his nose in there. So next year when we
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  Speaker 3: play them again in the Western Conference Finals, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a little bit meaner and they're gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: little bit meaner, and it's gonna be great. All all
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  Speaker 3: that I could hope is that they still have Chet
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  Speaker 3: on there too. You want them to be as long
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  Speaker 3: as they have Check, we would never lose to the
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma City Fun.
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  Speaker 4: He's his motivation.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I love that he stores that ship away and he
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  Speaker 1: remembers it and he never lets it go.
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  Speaker 6: Shane, how are you feeling going into the finals and
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  Speaker 6: is there any worry there the emotional toll that series
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  Speaker 6: took on San Antonio.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not worried about the emotional toll of it
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  Speaker 3: because we watched them do it all through the season.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't like a new thing where they were This
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  Speaker 3: was like some massive release. Again, we come back from
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  Speaker 3: down twenty in a regular season game in February and there,
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  Speaker 3: and Wimby's crying because he's just excited, like this is
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  Speaker 3: the thing. This is not like taking anything out out
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  Speaker 3: of him. So I'm not worried about that. I'm worried
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  Speaker 3: about the New York Knicks. I'm worried. I'm worried about
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  Speaker 3: that point guard they got down there, causing all kinds
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  Speaker 3: of trouble. I'm worried about that. But I'm not worried
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  Speaker 3: about the emotional toll that we expended during the series.
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  Speaker 5: Is there something that OG and Nnob can do or
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  Speaker 5: say to get Victor ticked off at him at maybe
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  Speaker 5: chet levels or maybe just below that to see because
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  Speaker 5: all I'm seeing now is, Oh, Wow, look how tough
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  Speaker 5: og Anobi has played Victim Wimbinyama. He's definitely gonna be
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  Speaker 5: able to stop him. He's so physical, and I feel
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  Speaker 5: like wemen Yama is just you know, filing that away.
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  Speaker 3: I hope that that's what's that's what's happening. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: super worried about the Og. Think he's gonna play him
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  Speaker 3: tough for a game a game and a half, same
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  Speaker 3: as what we saw with Hartenstein. True, he's gonna play him,
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  Speaker 3: and Wemby's gonna be like, what do I do here? For?
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  Speaker 3: You know, twenty seven minutes? And then he's gonna go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: here's what I do here and solve the problem like
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: we watch, We've We've seen him do it enough time
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  Speaker 3: now that I'm not super super worried about that. But
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  Speaker 3: just as a collective, then the Knicks are scary. They're
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: just they're blowing everybody out. What do you how do
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  Speaker 3: you prepare for that?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Would you consider this a revenge game because of
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: the Cup? I mean, what do you think? I don't
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  Speaker 2: want Wemby having anything that he's holding onto. Man, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, is he even gonna hold onto that? Like?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he very well made. He might have a
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  Speaker 3: tattoo of the Cup championship on his chest for all.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Terrified me?
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  Speaker 3: What he Yeah, that's awesome?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, holy shit, you're not being surprised at all. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I know right that he's harbor ring.
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  Speaker 5: After game for he sweeps the Nicks and pulls his
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  Speaker 5: shirt up and shows an ist trophy right there, It's like, Wow,
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  Speaker 5: this guy's completely nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Here, here's the because here's the thing, Like, again, we've
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  Speaker 3: gotten hints of this all throughout the season his career,
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  Speaker 3: but Jalen lit us up for sixty, lit us up
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  Speaker 3: for sixty. We won the game, but he lit us
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  Speaker 3: up for sixty. And at the end of the game,
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  Speaker 3: everybody knows, you score sixty points, you get the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Wimby just chucked it into the stands. Good, just chucked
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  Speaker 3: it into the stands. Like that's just who he is.
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  Speaker 3: What he might be holding onto that sixty point game.
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  Speaker 3: He might say, I'm gonna go into garden and I'm
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: going to score sixty one in your house. Let's see,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, there's no telling. It's
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  Speaker 3: all on the table with Womby.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think about the garden portion of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's already on the natural good ye motivation right, Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's not gonna swit that one bit. He's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: sweat any of this one bit.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta be terrified tailor.
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  Speaker 6: Uh yeah, when there's a seven foot four guy in
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  Speaker 6: the pain. Yeah, it's just it's I think it's natural
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  Speaker 6: to be a first no.
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  Speaker 1: No, But what I'm saying is from this standpoint, He's
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  Speaker 1: not going to shy away from the people, celebrities, Spike
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  Speaker 1: Lee in the front row. He's going to embrace it
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  Speaker 1: from the second he walks into that fucking building and
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  Speaker 1: he scares me.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 6: Want Spike Lee as far away from Victor Wenbina as
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  Speaker 6: possible because we don't need the extra motivation.
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  Speaker 2: Shaye wants him in the huddle.
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  Speaker 3: I say anything, say one thing to him. I'm begging you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm begging you, Spike. I'm curious, please, oh yes, no.
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  Speaker 4: But the beauty is they don't have to.
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  Speaker 2: He's already ready for it even if they say nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, crazy, I'm curious because I remember, you know, Dwayne
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  Speaker 5: Wade's rookie year. He was a number five pick obviously
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  Speaker 5: and like recognizing in preseason, early on in the season.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, this dude is special. When did that come true
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  Speaker 4: with Dylan Harper?
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so glad you mentioned that. So
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: I I think I think you can go back and
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: like look at the tweets. But in our in his
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: first Summer League game, he played against Dallas. We played
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: against Dallas and he was matched up against Cooper Flag
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: and everybody was Cooper Flag Cooper Flag Cooper Flag, and
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Dylan locked him up like the first couple of possessions.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: You could tell he went out there and said, Okay,
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: it's me versus jud Let's see how this goes. And
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: from that moment everybody in San Antonio was like, does
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: he is? Does he have? Does he have the thing?
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: And isn't there? Is it there? Already? I've floated, I
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: have floated this theory out before I'm gonna float it again.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Here have this, uh this like father son NBA player
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: theory that whatever the father was, if a father was
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: in the NBA and then the son comes into the NBA,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: whatever the father was, the son, the roles get inverted.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: So like like Del Curry role player, Steph Curry superstar right, right,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Michael Thompson role player, Clay Thompson superstar, Lebron James superstar,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Bronnie role player. Right. You're telling me we get a
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: superstar version of Ron Harper, like that's what he's becoming.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Were watching him do that?
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, forget? Are you serious? Are you serious?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Don't look now, you just came up with our second
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: book to collaborate on.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: How about that we're cranking about.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't be that surprised.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: The Spurs do have good fortune when it comes to
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: picking at the top of the NBA draft.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty they're pretty good at it. They're pretty
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: good at it. But it's still like you you expect
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: them to be like good decent. But but but what
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: he's doing now, like in a game seven on the road,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: what he was he's out there to close the game out. Yeah,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: that's what like.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: When you're doing that in situations that you've never been
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: in before, that's when you just.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's in you. You don't have to be
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: taught that thing.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, we have a game for you called one Table.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: We'll get to it in just a second. I'm just
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: trying to gauge just out cocky a Spurs fan.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: You are right now, I have.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: The next winning the series at five, So certainly I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: am cocky. You have this Burds winning this at how
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: many games?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I'll go five. I'll match your five with.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Couple of five. Scutting it up about that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's too many signs. There's too many like similarities
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: between that series and this series. Too many things lined
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: up for it and not be the case.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: He wants the next to trade for chep before the series.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, nothing would make them happier. All right,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: give me the imaging here for one table.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: There's one table left at the hottest spot in town,
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: and everybody wants it.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Who's getting it and who's getting left?
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: Outside greatness gets seated, everyone else waits.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: This is one table, all right?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the host at a restaurant. There is one
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: table remaining. Two celebrities or walking in at the exact
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: same time. You have to decide who gets the one
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: remaining table.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: You're also partial owner of the restaurant, not just a host.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Do you get the roles? You got you got the game?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: You get it right?
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I got it?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, good, make sure, don't I just want to make sure.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: So shay the first table the web Yamas walk in
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: mm hmmm, and then Tim Duncan walks in.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's too easy. They walk in today, like right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Now, right now today, I would sit. I would sit Timmy,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I would sit. He's the greatest player in franchise history.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Five rings like he's the guy. He's got to be Timmy.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: All right, So now Duncan leaves and David Robinson walks in.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: So it's Robinson, the Robinsons and the Wemby's.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'll go with you on this one.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I'll go Wimby. Yeah, I'll sit Wimby.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: David's David's a military man. He understands like he's got it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: He'd be fine sitting waiting for a few minutes.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, mikey Okay.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: So now they go down the road and they go
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: to a French restaurant and send the Victor and the
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: web Yamas walk in. Tony Parker and his family.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: The French restaurant.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Remember, gets the table.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: At the French restaurant.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: At the French restaurant. That's a little tougher. I'm gonna
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: go Wimby again. I'm gonna go.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: What if Tony puts on all the rings though?
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I mean he if he if he started flashing the
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: rings around here. The thing with the thing with Tony,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: like the difference with like Timmy and Tony is that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Timmy is still here. He's here all the time. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: got a text a couple of days ago from my
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: wife and she's like, I'm at CVS and Tim Duncan's.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Here, Like.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: He's just walking around. He's just like walking around being
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: a normal dude. I've never seen Tony Parker out anywhere here.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: It's got that giant house. Why did he have to leave?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Alright, so shay. This one is also in San Antonio.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Derek Fisher walks in.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's kick him out.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: Charles Barkley walks in.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: He gets to the table, right.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Charles Barkley gets the table. Dere Derek Fisher. I've never
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: hate the player more than maybe Derek Fisher and Rick
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Fox ever in my life, right in my life?
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: What Fox do you like?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: He's a Rick Fox.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a great answer. He's Rick Fox, that's all.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: That's what he answer. Rick foxes.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: He's tall, and he's handsome, and he's rich, and he
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: won a bunch of championships. Yea ultimately expense of my.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Spurs, right, and an actor.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Enough of Ork Fox. Yes, here's a good one for you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: It's odd, okay, just hear me out on this. There's
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: one table in San Antonio and Wemby walks in the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Wemby's and the Holgrooms walking Chet Holgrid.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Who gets that?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I would you know what I would? I would give
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: it a check I would give it a check for
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: no other reason.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: For your service.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I know a victory would hold that against you for
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the remainder of time. Man.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I think I think he would hold it against Chet.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: He would always no matter what you do, you can
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: all be tied back to Chet somehow.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So good, All right, go ahead, tell all right.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: So Dylan Harper walks in Bruce Bowen walks in Oh
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Wow Wow tables in San Antonio.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Bruce Bowen is beloved in San Antonio.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's beloved in San Antonio. There's a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: small contingency of people who I've heard do not like him.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I've never I've never experienced this. I don't know any
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I've never met him personally, I have, but I was
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: at this. I was at a sushi restaurant and I
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: was having a conversation with a friend of mine and
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: they're like, you know, but a lot of people don't
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: like Bruce Bowen. That I didn't know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know why that you take somebody's number out
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: of the rafters or no, with that, can you take
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: somebody's number out of the rafters or no.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: It's got to stay in there.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It's got to stay in there you got there. I'm pro.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Bruce Bowen. I played in the I played on a
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: wreck team in college. I wore number twelve, Bruce Bowen.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to be very athletic, but I was
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: going to at least play dirty.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the jersey you wear when you're ready
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to do that, right, Yes, Robert Rory or Stefan Castle?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Who was getting that?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Who's getting that table? Big shot, Bob?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: You know what if this would have been five six
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: year years ago? Would have said Robert Ry. But there
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: was a stretch where Robert Ory decided to go on
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: podcasts and start saying like listing people he thought were
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: better than Tim Duncan. Oh yeah, And I was like,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: as soon as that happened, huge Misa. Hey, thanks thanks
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: for Game five, big shop, Bob. I really appreciate it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I never want to talk to you again.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but in fairness, it would have been odd to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: give Castle a table six years ago.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know it would have been.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: We know you're gonna do great things for us, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: if they walked in today, you're still saying it's.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: It's it's Castle. I'd love him so much. Yes, I
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: love him so.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Much, even after the twenty turnovers through the first two games,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: you're a little shaky at that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Point, it didn't even matter. We've never we've never had
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a player like him before, somebody, somebody as fiery as
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: he is, as cool as he is, as mean as
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: he is, as like you're watching game seven of the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Western Conference Finals, where all of the most intense players
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: are playing at their most high level intensity, and he
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: still is, like he's playing so much harder than you
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: On that note, how far up your list of hated
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: players is Alex Caruso climbing?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh, he was shooting up there, right, he
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: was shooting. He was shooting up there all the way
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: until game seven, when he finally stopped making every single
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: three and he would he just hit. He was like
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: one for six, and I was him and Champagne did
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: like this opposite thing where Champagne was terrible for five
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: of the games, okay for one, and then great in
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: game seven, Like that was the Champagne great game. Caruso
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: great for five of the games, okay and one and
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: then horrible.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: It's the old Danny Green, right.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what it was Danny Green would have
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: been Finals MVP if he holds on for one or
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: two more games. Yes, yes, but that's what Caruso did. Yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So he was climbing up there all the way up
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: until that last game.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And then it was like hilarious, Ah, sure we'll get
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you out of here on this one, final one for you,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Tim Duncan or Pop.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Oh you got you gotta go al halfay. You gotta
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: go al halfay on that one. And and Timmy would understand.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Timmy give him the table, right yeah, yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was that great, that great clip that was
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: going around when the Spurs were playing. I think it
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: was Game four in San Antonio and they cut from
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: they have like Wimby and Mitch together, and then later
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: on they show Pop and and Timmy or together, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: then and then after the game, people are posting videos
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: of like Pop and and Timmy walking out together, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Timmy is just like making sure everything is clearer for
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Pop and escorting him. But it's it's beautiful. It's like
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the most pure basketball human relationship I think it's ever
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: been in the NBA. You can give that table to
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Pop every single time.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: That's what I think when I think of the Spurs
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: winning just right behind Wemby as man, It's gonna be
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: awesome for Pop like he deserves this in this you
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: know time Yeah yeah, also from Mike Brown.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: As well, Hey, thank you, Shay. We we appreciate you
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: doing this very very much.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Is a five time New York Times bestseller, and I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: think he'll be a seven times before before it's all
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: said and done.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: To a collaboration with me, we got we got him,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: you got him coming, you know what? You know what
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I wanted to say before before I leave. One thing
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I want to say, because this is so funny that
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: your message and you're like, hey, you want to do
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the show? And I said, yeah, of course I want
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to do the show. I realized after I said yes,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: you and I are like internet friends. But we're internet
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: friends because of Lebatart. We have like a common Yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: like that's how we that's how we met each other.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: So this is like when you were in school and
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you had a friend who was a friend of a
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: friend and then you hang out with that guy for
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: the first time without the other guy. Yeah, and you're like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: this is pretty this is pretty great. I don't need
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: to love the time.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Cooler right, thank you man. Yeah, I'm the cooler of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the friends.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you all.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you, man.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Good luck, well, I don't want to say good luck
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: san Antonio right. Check out, subscribe to his newsletter good
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• 25:58
  Speaker 2: He's publishing a piece today about Game seven. H Shay.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: We appreciate it very much, man.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Good luck to you all, right later