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Ep. 85 : Opening Day, Release Of Topps Heritage High Number · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode eighty five of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm my Cool Art from Rasball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friends Jeremy Burer, also from Rasball.
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  Speaker 1: We're speaking on March twenty sixth, Wednesday night. It is
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  Speaker 1: Baseball Eve, my friend. We are giddy like two kids
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  Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve, ready for the presents to open tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 1: You set in those lineups, you get in all the
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  Speaker 1: last way for wires in.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing, Hey, We're playing the game like every
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  Speaker 2: opening Day Eve, which is will you just put your
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  Speaker 2: gosh daring players on the IL?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is the most frustrating part.
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  Speaker 2: I've got like three leagues where I was just like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm illegal, I'm illegal, Like I am very certain this
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  Speaker 2: guy's going on the IL, like Sean Murphy is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be on IL. Actually, I think Braves actually, never mind,
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  Speaker 2: Brave are the only ones that put their guys in
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  Speaker 2: the al. At this point, Murphy, Strider and Cunior are
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  Speaker 2: actually on the al. It's like Shane Bieber is the
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  Speaker 2: world and guys like that. Francisco Alvarez just has stitches
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  Speaker 2: up today and he's on the al like it's those
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  Speaker 2: kind of guys that are just driving fantasy owners nuts
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  Speaker 2: and patients is the name of the game. They will
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  Speaker 2: make it there by probably noon tomorrow. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: matter of whether our great friends at CBS, yeah, who
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  Speaker 2: ESPN and wherever else you play actually get them on
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  Speaker 2: the IL that's the big question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of API interfaces to like line
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  Speaker 1: up and make sure all that stuff happens. And if
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  Speaker 1: I ever do become a baseball GM, I will help
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  Speaker 1: you out all IL my guys early. Just I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you throwing a bone to all those fantasy players out there,
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  Speaker 1: because I know all the real gms and teams do
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  Speaker 1: not like to do that. So I'll be an open
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  Speaker 1: book for you. I'll help you out.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate Jered, Jared, I Peedo. That's that's Jeff who
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  Speaker 2: you'd be so yes, Oh yeah, as that's who you'd
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  Speaker 2: be combined with.
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  Speaker 1: I would be kicked out as GM so quick because
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  Speaker 1: I just be like trying to do so many ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: transactions and like trying to trade for random like a
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  Speaker 1: ball dudes that everyone's just like get out of here
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  Speaker 1: minus championships wins. Okay, well, we got a great show
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  Speaker 1: coming up. We're gonna get into. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 1: an avalanche of news since we've talked last week in
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  Speaker 1: terms of transactions and roster moves to set up all
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  Speaker 1: these teams for opening day, in terms of injuries, signings, trades,
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  Speaker 1: option ins returns of Rule five picks, just all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. So we're going to try to hit some
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  Speaker 1: of the highlights here before we then take a break
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  Speaker 1: and come back to cover the release of twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, I said, twenty twenty four Tops Heritage High Number,
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  Speaker 1: which is finally releasing on today as we're speaking, March
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, So we'll give a quick overview of that set.
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  Speaker 1: It is like the second piece of TOPS Heritage that
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  Speaker 1: came out for twenty twenty four. So if you are
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  Speaker 1: looking back to when we covered the original Tops Heritage
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, that was all the way back in
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  Speaker 1: episode thirty nine of last April, so you can scroll
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  Speaker 1: back there. I think you'll get lots of good details
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  Speaker 1: in terms of what Heritage is, what the design is,
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  Speaker 1: kind of what the feel of that rip is before
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  Speaker 1: we dive into high numbers specifically on this pod because
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  Speaker 1: it has some of the hot rookies from Paul Schemes
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  Speaker 1: to all the Jacksons. And then always if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for anything we're talking about, check out those show notes
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  Speaker 1: of links to every article that we're talking about in
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  Speaker 1: terms of these transactions. If you just kind of need
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  Speaker 1: something to look at after you hear us talk about
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  Speaker 1: so you can try to remember it, check out those
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  Speaker 1: show notes. Also check out the show notes. For subscriptions
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  Speaker 1: well to so you can get through all those loading times.
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  Speaker 1: And Yeah, I think it's gonna be a great season
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  Speaker 1: at rasball twenty twenty five. We had bold predictions go
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  Speaker 1: up today, we had staff picks go up today, So
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  Speaker 1: all those things are set in stone and we can't
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  Speaker 1: take them back unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still feeling good, pretty good about mine. How about you?
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  Speaker 1: Are your any of your bold predictions or picks kind
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  Speaker 1: of already off the rails in between the time you
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  Speaker 1: originally did the selection.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm feeling pretty good. So my bold prediction was
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  Speaker 2: Alan Roden winning the the AL Rookie of the Year
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  Speaker 2: and that required him making the team the opening day,
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  Speaker 2: and so that one, that one played pretty pretty well,
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  Speaker 2: and so feeling good about my bold predictions. We'll see
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  Speaker 2: about the actual staff projections. That's where I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we kind of go off the rails at times. You know, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we all had to pick Paul skins for
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  Speaker 2: the same you know, the same thing across the board, right,
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  Speaker 2: It'll be a interesting to see how those play. It
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  Speaker 2: always feels good getting of the season you look back
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  Speaker 2: and go wow, or we've that far off or how
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  Speaker 2: did you miss this? So it'll be fun to see.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be fun to see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of like how we were all missing
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  Speaker 1: Paul schemes at this point last year. So it'll be fun.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, lots of great picks, lots of great players
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  Speaker 1: that I've kind of delved into because of what everybody
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  Speaker 1: else is looking at on the site. Okay, well let's
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  Speaker 1: get into those new notes transactions. Let's kick off with
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  Speaker 1: we have a handful of trades, which I think, even
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  Speaker 1: though all of them were relatively small, could have bigger
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  Speaker 1: impacts to our fantasy game. First one is a very
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  Speaker 1: hilarious and confounding trade between the Rockies and the Guardians,
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  Speaker 1: as the Rocky shipped outfielder Nolan Jones back to Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: and in return, Tyler Freeman came across to Colorado. I
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  Speaker 1: saw some antidotes about how Freeman and Jones are actually
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  Speaker 1: pretty good friends because they came up together in that
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  Speaker 1: Guardian system, and when one of them was traded, he
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  Speaker 1: reached out to the other to let his back friend
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  Speaker 1: kind of know, like, oh, man, I got traded, Like
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of a bummer, YadA, YadA, And then
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  Speaker 1: the other one was like, oh I got traded too,
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  Speaker 1: and they realized they were traded for each other. So
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  Speaker 1: this is driven in part by one the Rockies being
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  Speaker 1: absolutely insane and just off their rockers. Two, Tyrostrada broke
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  Speaker 1: his wrist late in camp and is out six to
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  Speaker 1: eight weeks, which is the impetus to bring in Tyler Freeman.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, screw you. I'm out, Amador, because he
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  Speaker 1: is on the forty man roster. He could have taken
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  Speaker 1: that second phase job. It's not like they needed to
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  Speaker 1: go out and trade Nolan Jones. But I have to
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  Speaker 1: think in your mind for Nolan Jones, Actually, I think
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  Speaker 1: this is a great kind of move to try to
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  Speaker 1: like figure out what the move is for fantasy, because
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  Speaker 1: it was not working out in Colorado and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the Rockies had the personnel to fix him. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think going back to Cleveland might be able to
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  Speaker 1: rEFInd some of that magic in Nolan Jones's bat?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not putting a whole lot of
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  Speaker 2: you know, eggs in that basket at this point. Like,
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  Speaker 2: to me, this is a change of scenery trade. Both
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  Speaker 2: guys could could get some type of boost change in
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  Speaker 2: scenery here Jones. Is is really that true case of
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  Speaker 2: like you can't look at every player and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he only has a strikeout of shoes, if only he
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  Speaker 2: can figure that out, Like if he can't, everything else
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  Speaker 2: goes off the off the rails. He's He's truly one
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  Speaker 2: of those Yeah, maybe he figures something out over in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not jumping at the bit to grab him in
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  Speaker 2: the league leagues or anything like that. Same for free men.
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  Speaker 2: Neither one is really something that I think is worth
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  Speaker 2: the roller coaster right at this point in time, but
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  Speaker 2: you have to probably say, of the two of them,
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  Speaker 2: Jones is the one I'll probably keep a closer eye
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  Speaker 2: on to see if there's something something bruid. Let's let's
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  Speaker 2: be very clear. In spring training, he wasn't looking too
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  Speaker 2: terribly different than last year for the Rockies. Hit a
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  Speaker 2: whole great two thirty four k, like what was kind
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  Speaker 2: of the same guy. I wasn't walking that, I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: showing any power worse speed, Like he looks kind of
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  Speaker 2: cooked from a Rocky's perspective. So we'll see what comes
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  Speaker 2: out of this one. But right now I got both
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  Speaker 2: put him on the watch column just to see if
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  Speaker 2: there's a tweak and approach beyond that. I'm still on
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  Speaker 2: sidelines here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think for Jones that's a fair
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  Speaker 1: kind of approach. For Freeman, I am actually interested in
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  Speaker 1: deeper leagues as a Rocky streamer, mostly because like he
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  Speaker 1: should qualify it like second third outfield and might even
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  Speaker 1: have short stop in your league. And if he's in Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: great bench piece in like a fifteen teamer daily moves
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  Speaker 1: lineup or even deeper, like if you're he's a must
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  Speaker 1: pick up. I think in l only because of like,
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  Speaker 1: just all that positional eligibility should get lots of run
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  Speaker 1: there in Colorado and you can just start him at home.
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  Speaker 1: So I liked Tyler Freeman last year in terms of
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  Speaker 1: just the speed and batting average, and just like I
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  Speaker 1: like the type of players like Freeman where it reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of of like Brenton Doyle too, where like this
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  Speaker 1: is just a solid baseball player who finds his way
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  Speaker 1: to played appearances to playing him games and eventually could
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  Speaker 1: click because he's only twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a good point there, because it is
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  Speaker 2: the league that you're in. He barely played enough games
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  Speaker 2: in those five game eligibility leagues to actually get those positions,
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  Speaker 2: so he could be just outfield eligible, or he could
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  Speaker 2: be eligible all across the diamond, which just mak him
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more intriguing being in collar out of there.
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  Speaker 2: So again, I'm not projecting amazing things for Freeman here,
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  Speaker 2: but you end up with a season where he hits
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  Speaker 2: fifteen homers, steals fifteen bags, hits two for three. I
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  Speaker 2: mean with a guy with four position eligibility, there's worse
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  Speaker 2: things out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Okay, let's get into the next trade,
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  Speaker 1: which is the Milwaukee Brewers, who had signed Mark Canhot
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  Speaker 1: early in spring, decided he wasn't needed anymore, shipped him
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  Speaker 1: over to Kansas City, who desperately needs outfield help. That
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that they've made it this far
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  Speaker 1: without having to like really bring in more outfielders. I
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  Speaker 1: think they were in on Anthony Santander sounded like, but
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  Speaker 1: who knows how truly they're in. It's just a very
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  Speaker 1: confounding move. I think for the Royals, we're all considering.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they have a lot of faith in
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  Speaker 1: Jack Caglion coming through this year, but not a ton
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  Speaker 1: of outfield depth in that organization, and they desperately need
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  Speaker 1: it if they're going to try to run it back
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  Speaker 1: and make the playoffs again. So because of that, I
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  Speaker 1: think can Haa is going to walk into a pretty
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  Speaker 1: nice situation with Kansas City. He is older, he's thirty six,
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  Speaker 1: But I know you've always liked what can has offered
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  Speaker 1: from both pop and speed, So is this peaking your
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  Speaker 1: interest a little bit? This move to the Royals.
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  Speaker 2: I think in deeper leagues it is slightly intriguing. I
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  Speaker 2: think he might end up in a platoon situation facing
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  Speaker 2: lefties here, which is okay, if that's what he gets into,
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  Speaker 2: whether he actually steals time or maybe Vinipesco and Tweenos
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  Speaker 2: actually hurt longer than the week or two that we
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  Speaker 2: are expecting here. That's really what it comes down to.
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  Speaker 2: If he's playing and he's got full time playing time,
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  Speaker 2: he's right back of the bench type of guy you
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  Speaker 2: can rely on. If not, then you know, oh well,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's not a big loss. He hasn't hit, didn't
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  Speaker 2: hit well spring training so far this year, but he
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  Speaker 2: also just barely made into games with that late signing
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  Speaker 2: with the Brewus, So I think there's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of upside here, but much more Waiver Wire. He's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be in your columns throughout this season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And another dude, who if
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  Speaker 1: he entered your ale onlypool, like it is a good
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  Speaker 1: person to snatch up and that like, if you're in
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  Speaker 1: a deep league like that, that's where you're looking to
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  Speaker 1: maybe pick up Kanaha. Okay, well, let's get into some
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  Speaker 1: injuries before we move on to a lot of those
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  Speaker 1: kind of back end roster moves, because it is like
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  Speaker 1: the time of the year where it just really does
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  Speaker 1: like kick into high gear between just the last rounds
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  Speaker 1: of injury updates, as well as it does feel like
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  Speaker 1: players as they try to ramp it up in the
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  Speaker 1: last week er two, that things just kind of pop
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  Speaker 1: and sprawling a little bit more than they have throughout
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  Speaker 1: the spring. So first one is just a bizarre situation,
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  Speaker 1: I would say in terms of Mookie Bets from the
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers has been sick with some sort of virus,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of flu bug in which he was held
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  Speaker 1: out of those games in Japan because actually he made
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  Speaker 1: the flight from Los Angeles to Tokyo then immediately went
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  Speaker 1: back to Los Angeles because he was just puking his
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  Speaker 1: guts out apparently that entire plane trip over to Japan
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  Speaker 1: and has been for about a week now. He did
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  Speaker 1: get into the game, I think yesterday against the Angels
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  Speaker 1: for like a spring training game tune up. But the
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  Speaker 1: concern here is that Bets is down about twenty pounds
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  Speaker 1: from his normal playing weight that he The reports are
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  Speaker 1: he's been weighing in at about one fifty seven compared
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  Speaker 1: to his playing weight about one point eighty and so
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  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of that is water weight from the
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  Speaker 1: flu because he hasn't been able to hold anything down
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  Speaker 1: for a while. But this is certainly concerning for Bets,
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  Speaker 1: who you know, you always had to really work to
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  Speaker 1: get to his power. But on top of it too,
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  Speaker 1: when you're starting behind, like on your weight like this,
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  Speaker 1: baseball players actually lose weight throughout the season because it's
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  Speaker 1: really hard to keep up that training receman that they
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  Speaker 1: might have built in the off season. This is a
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  Speaker 1: first round pick for most people out there, and so
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if you're still the league's right here,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's falling down draft boards a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it happen in one of my leagues where
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  Speaker 1: he went for big bucks in the auction. Forty eight
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  Speaker 1: hours later, when this news broke, he was immediately traded
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  Speaker 1: for like pennies on the dollar. I would to go
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  Speaker 1: that route with Mookie Bets. But what are you doing
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  Speaker 1: with him in any leagues that you have shares or
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  Speaker 1: kind of what you're trying to look for going into
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season to determine what you want
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  Speaker 1: to do with him all season long?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a tough situation for betsfily right,
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  Speaker 2: he drops down probably a second third round value, just
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  Speaker 2: because you have to think it's gonna Zappa's power. You
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  Speaker 2: lose twenty pounds, you don't know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Mookie Bets had that in you know, Waterway to shed here.
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  Speaker 2: That was muscle he's losing, and so he really has
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  Speaker 2: to build that back up coming off of the year
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  Speaker 2: where he only hit nineteen bombs, maybe some bad lucky
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  Speaker 2: and that you have to think that's maybe the ceiling
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  Speaker 2: for this year. And so if that's is more of
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  Speaker 2: a twenty twenty guy or twenty fifteen guy with you know,
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  Speaker 2: good counting SATs, that's not a first rounder. That's maybe
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  Speaker 2: a third, four to fifth rounder that we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 2: But you paid the big bucks for him. Anybody that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna take him on is going to be looking, to
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  Speaker 2: your point for pennies on the dollar. Do not trade
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  Speaker 2: him right now. Maybe hope he gets off to a
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  Speaker 2: hot start and things get overlooked. Then maybe it's take
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  Speaker 2: time for remove because I'm not worried about him in
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  Speaker 2: the short term. I'm worried about the summer. I worry
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  Speaker 2: about getting in to the fall and how he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: hold up over the entire season. So if he gets
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  Speaker 2: off to a hot start here and people are kind
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  Speaker 2: of forgetting what took place and how he's down twenty
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  Speaker 2: pound plane, mate, I'd be looking to cash it. But otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta hold you gotta hold this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right on with all those takes.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating to see. Like maybe if he
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  Speaker 1: does take like a small il break in April just
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  Speaker 1: to build things back up after debuting and kind of
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  Speaker 1: going through the pageantry of opening Day and the ring
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  Speaker 1: ceremony and everything with the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's hey for our podcast here. If I
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  Speaker 2: can get sick and lose twenty pounds, I'm doing it,
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  Speaker 2: So I'll be I'll be on next week though, just
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  Speaker 2: the same perform.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you've got to pull a Mookie man. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to get back on this pod. You gotta drag
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  Speaker 1: yourself here, gotta get ready to talk about those takes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be pretty quick before we got to
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  Speaker 1: get some of those player of the Month picks going,
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  Speaker 1: So I can't lose it. Okay, next injury we have
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  Speaker 1: is another first round player here, and this is a
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  Speaker 1: guy who I was starting to push down draft boards.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as it came out that the way that
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  Speaker 1: the Orioles were talking about Gunner Henderson's side injury, it
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  Speaker 1: ended up being a intercostal, I believe, is what it
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  Speaker 1: is technically at the end of the day, which is
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  Speaker 1: a little I don't know if it's less concerning than
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  Speaker 1: an oblique. It's all kind of in the same realm
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  Speaker 1: of muscle tweaks and strains and muscles that you need
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  Speaker 1: to swing a bat and play baseball. And so but
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  Speaker 1: when that injury news came out, just the way that
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore was handling it, in terms of the way that
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to walk in it back and soften it,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: you could tell that Henderson wasn't gonna make it to
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: opening day. I think when I read through the tea leaves,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: which really hurts in terms of just a volume play
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit more like Henderson compared to maybe some
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of like just the extraordinary ceiling that somebody like Eli
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Delacruz or Otani offers for you. And so he's gonna
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: end up with at least missing two weeks. And it's
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit of the same story with Mookie, where
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: what are you doing with a guy like this who
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: is starting the season pretty banged up in terms of
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: what could it do to sap his power in production
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: throughout the entire year.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you take a very similar
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: approach to to what you take with Mukie here, maybe
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: with one caveat, I think Gunner has a higher ceiling
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: right now than than Mooki. And so when he does
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: come back, you know the Orioles are talking about this
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: is that you know, they're being conservative. They're you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: trying to rush him back when to make sure he's
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: healthy for the whole season. So he comes back in
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: ten days, I would like to see the swing speeds
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: and the hard hit rates, the X of velocities that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: he's producing. Is he swinging the bat as we else
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: he was last season? Is the ball popping off the bat?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: If so I'm not concerned, I'm I'm not concerned. I'm
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: not looking to move them. If if the swing speed
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: is not there and the ball doesn't seem to be
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: jumping off like it was last year, but he's healthy,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I think you have to look at moving Gunnar Henders.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I think you have to look at selling high at
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: that point in time, just because he's quote unquote healthy,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: because to your point, that is the core injury that
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: is going to take time to really heal, and if
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: they rush him back, he's gonna battle this all all year.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I love Gunnar Henderson as much the next guy. I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: was buying him going into the season, but this injury
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: is one you have to be very very careful with.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm watching closely. What's the swing profile look like,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: what's the ex of aalsles look like. If that's back,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not concerned. If that doesn't jump back, I'm jumpanship.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I totally am on board as well with that, Like, yeah,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it's just you can see how it evolves into being
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a lost season pretty quick, especially like if there's any
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: sort of aggravation of this injury for Henderson, just be
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: very very careful going forward. I would say, all right,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: next injury we have is a pretty unfortunate one because
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: it looked real bad when it happened in game. Pitcher
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Shane McClanahan for the Tampa Bay Rays, who I had
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: him as my like bust for the year on our picks,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: not because I mean, I guess this was in the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: possibilities as he was working his way back from his
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: second Toimmy John. But McClanahan went down with an injury.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: It looked terrible in game, but the diagnosis right now
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: is that it's quote unquote only a nerve injury in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: his left arm. Is throwing arm as he's working his
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: way back from the second Tommy John and all the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: kind of word around it is very encouraging from Kevin
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Cash in the Rays in terms of what they're looking
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: at and going forward because I think mostly because you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: thought the worst case scenario when we saw him throw
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that pitch in the Grapefruit League game that it looked
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like either another torn UCL or something else really significant
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in terms of like a muscle injury. I don't know
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: about you, though, nerve issue screams maybe even worse to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: me because the worst case scenario here is going down
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: with like a Steven Strasburg path in terms of that's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: what kept him out of the league and led to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: his retirement. Other players have dealt with this kind of
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: stuff where you know they've had to move the nerve
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and the arm through surgery and like it takes another
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: really long rest and rehab. What are you doing with McClanahan,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Because For me, it's a total like no go, no fly,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I just want no part of this.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if we were like a month ago going to
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the draft season, I'd be right there with you, like
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you're not playing with us, You're not touching it. I'm
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: gonna say that, I'm gonna double down on Kevin Cashier.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: This is the best news possible for fantasy owners for
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: this year because nerve injuries, in my experience, have the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: greatest out variety of outcomes. It could be what you
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: talked about. It could be absolute career altered and terrible,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: but it also could just be paying you have to
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: deal through and there's nothing structurally wrong. And so that's
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the good news of it that if it truly is
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: more of just kind of a freak nerve injury, you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: can actually work through that with you know, soft tissue
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: manipulation and things like that and kind of get that
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: feeling better. And then it's not like he has to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: build up again. It's not like he has to work
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: through it's not like he has to change his mechanics. So,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: like the right the outcomes here is extremely wide. It's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: like going to the draft tables, see a guy go
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: from the third round to the tenth round, like, that's
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: what we're looking at with McLanahan. But at this point
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: you've already drafted them, most likely, and you just got
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to hold on for your life. Nobody's in the trade
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: want to trade from even if he comes back looking
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: healthy and they proclaim all these things. So if you
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: have a McLanahan, you keep mcclanahand you go through it
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to your point. At some point, if this does keep recurring,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be a surgery item. But it
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: is lesser of an item if it's not like the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Strasburg version. If it is, to your point, just something
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that you have to move so that you know they
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you know what. It's probably a bone spur, something to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: rubby against the nerve. Those are the kind of things
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you have to work through. So I'm gonna give the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: little optimistic take because at this point you're already in.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But if you weren't already in, I would be out.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that makes sense. Okay, another picture injury.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've still got a few more to get through.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So the next one here is to Jared Jones, right
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: hander from the Pittsburgh Pirates, and this is another really
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: scary one in terms of he was complaining of elbow discomfort.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: They sent him for some imaging in house, then sent
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: him out for a second opinion after that, which is
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: not a great kind of pattern in terms of they
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: must have found something semi concerning in that first imaging.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: The second opinion gave him a semi clean bill of health.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we've actually got a great kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of reporting of what is wrong with the elbow. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised that there is some sort of small
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: tear in that UCL or something else going on. But
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: currently they're going the rest ander rehab 'ro oute with
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. He's supposed to be shut down for about
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: six weeks and then we'll ramp his way back up
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: from there. But I'm also thinking back to an ex
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh pirate that we just had go down to Tommy
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: John surgery, like last week in Garrett Cole last spring.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: This was just about the pattern of what led to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Garrett Cole's demise, And so I am in kind of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I think the same boat as I was with McClanahan
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: here now on Jerry Jones, where it's a it's a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: no fly zone where like, this is not somebody I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: looking to acquire because usually the historical pattern here doesn't
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: work out very well. And I think you could go
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: out there and buy low, But is it a risk
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that you're willing to take it?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: All? I only disagreement I have with you is I'm
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: much more scared of this than I am with McLanahan.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh yeah, I you know you you read
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: between the lines here. He's been feeling he's been feeling something,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: which is worse than mcclanahan's just felt something and it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: hurts out nerve. Yeah, it's just it's like, oh, there's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: a cute. We know what it is. This is I've
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: been feeling something. The imaging doesn't find something we wanted
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a second opinion, We're going to try the rest route,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Like like who's that worked well for I'm like going
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: back to like last year, like Kyle Bradish for the Orioles,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Like they tried this, he came back and looked pretty
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: good and then it ultimately was hurt.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Like that with deeper as well.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yep, Bieber Like it's the kind of like the best
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: case scenarios, you get another like five starts out of them.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: When they feel better and then they're hurt. Like I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I'm looking one. I'm like, just go ahead and do
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the surgery. Now. I don't know what it is, because
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: they don't clearly don't know what it is, but just
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: give him a new arm. I don't know what it is,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: but I'm very, very scared of this one. It is
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the worst news they could possibly have. And you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: they've got so much pitching there that they can just
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: wait to bring him back. I'm kidding. Yeah, they don't
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: have any pitching ball skins. You're yeah, but they din'
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: even They wouldn't let him start so it didn't count.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not going to start that arbitration clock on him.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And yet no, you shouldn't do too.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, I I totally agree that. Like, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I think if you're in a in a dynasty or
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: keep your situation, you can get pennies on the dollar
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: for Jerry Jones. I think you might want to take
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it at this point.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's he goes both ways. Like if you
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: could sell him for like fifty cents on the dollar,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I think you sell him. If you can buy him
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: for ten cents on the dollar, I think you buy him.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, there's like a over under there somewhere that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's worth exploring. Yeah, totally makes sense. Okay, next
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: set of picture injuries. I'm just going to go with
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: them back to back, so because I think they're kind
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of like similar range of pitchers that we're looking at
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for fantasy baseball. First as we have the Phillies Ranger Suarez,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: who will be missing the beginning of the season with
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a lower back issue, and I think especially since they
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: had the depth there with Taiwan Walker, maybe the Phillies
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: are being a little more cautious going into the season
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: with Ranger Suarez. The other one we have is Clark
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Schmidt is officially going to be starting on the I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: L thanks to his I believe it's a shoulder.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's a shoulder. He's just trying to, I think at
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: this point, build build a strength back up.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just seems it seems more of like, yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it's a sore shoulder, kind of didn't have a full
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: off season that he wanted to and is building his
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: way back. If you had to pick one or the other,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: kind of going to stash on your I L for
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. Are you picking Suarez? Are
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you picking Schmidt?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: This is this is tough. I think I'm I think
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I'm picking Schmidt here, mainly just because the back issues
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: of sores, those things don't seem to go away, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: he struggled that last year and he was not very
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: good when he struggled that last year. Schmid, it feels
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: like less of an injury, more of a build up,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: you know, get the innings that he did. He had
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: a late start to spring, and the Yankees need him badly.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Carlos Carrasco.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Now where that name come from.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I honestly didn't even realize Carrasco and with the Yankees,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: So but I think I'd take Schmidt, But you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I could I could see the argument either way. Both
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: both guys. I'm not too excited about at this point.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, would both of them kind of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: fall into that classic like play that you like to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: do with filling up all your IYEL spots with guys
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. These both are guys you throw
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: in the IL spots, especially because you know you're to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: lose another picture. So it's like, yeah, they come back
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in a month or two, and you know they end
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: up being good, you're happy. If they ended up being bad,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you cut them like it's not a big deal. Uh,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: this is the kind of guys that I love to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: just fill up those spots because there's no harm, no foul.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally agree. So I think I'm with you.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I lean a little bit more towards Schmidt just because
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of the strikeout upside, So that's when I'm chasing there
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to stash Schmidt way over Suarez. Okay, let's get into
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: some batter injuries now, and so I know this one
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: hurts you. Connor Norby gonna start the season on the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: IL with an oblique strain, and it's a tough injury
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: because it's it does seem like a pretty serious one.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: It's a Grade one, but it just isn't really responding
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: very well. And I think the Marlins will be pretty
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: cautious with Connor Norby given that he's probably their best
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: young player right now. So what do you think this
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: could mean for Norby's twenty twenty five season?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it. You're right, Like, it's only a grade one,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: so it's the best quote case scenario, But it doesn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: seem like it's played that way, you would expect it
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to see him doing a little bit more at this
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: point in time. So I do think this is a
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: big risk for him. I don't he's to lose his
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: job or anything like that. You know, he's still a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: young player. To your point, he's probably one of the best,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: most exciting young bats that they have. But I would
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: have to say that you're almost counting April out at
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: this point and saying, hey, what do we get May
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And for all the the hopes for Norby being a
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: thirty homer bat, you're gonna probably knock that down to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: twenty at best. I think that's gonna be what you're
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: looking at. So I still like Norby, But as we
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: talked about it, those these oblique strange they just man,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: they just hurt. They hurt, and they really I think
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I don't maybe eighty percent productivity for what original projections
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: end up being until maybe late in the year when
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: he's truly healthy.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess with that because you did
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: really love Norby coming into this season. Is here a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: guy where if you didn't have him in a league,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: would you go out and try to buy him at
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: this point, I would for checking on the price.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if the price is low or somebody's cut bait
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: or something like that, I'd be picking him up. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: absolutely would, because I do think he is a twenty
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: to thirty power bat like when fully healthy, and I
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: think he's in some leagues he has really good eligibility.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Some leagues he is just more of that third base
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: only eligibility. But I think he has a lot of upside.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm willing to take that gamble with it being
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the grade one, hoping that they're just being cautious with
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: him being a young upstart, because again, there's not a
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: lot going for the Marlins here that they really need
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to rush him to get back. They're not playing for
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: twenty five, they're probably playing for twenty six at this point.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay. Next injury we have
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is Tiger's outfielder Parker Meadows is going to beginning the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: season on the IL for about a month at least
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: with a nerve issue. Actually, I think it's pretty much
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the same issue that Shane McClanahan has, but he's got
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it in his right arm and is trying to deal
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: with that as a position player. Meadows has also only
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: gotten two played a peer Paranis in spring as he's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: been battling this issue. So it's another guy who like
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Norby where maybe we're taking one of those dart throws
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: at a twenty twenty player out of the pool. But
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: are you more concerned maybe with Meadows here or are
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you kind of in the same boat as you were
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: with Norby where? Hey, this guy is a young player
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: with some pretty good upside. I'm hanging on to him
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: while I've still got space on my roster. Or is
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it like, ooh, this is just enough of an injury
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to push a young guy like this off of my
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: roster and I need something a little bit more stable
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: as I get into the season.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's on the very back of the roster,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: one of the first guys to go like there is
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to your point, he had potential twenty twenty bad exciting
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: at times last year, but it's it's I feel like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about both sides of my mouth.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: This is like for a picture, this is not the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: worst thing in the world, because like, there's way worse
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: things for a hitter, Like it seems like they have
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: no idea what's going on with this nerve injury with Meadows?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Basically like, well, we did some conductive nerve to and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be working. Like it's not like
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: there's progress or anything like that, least Norby. Like it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: kind of a known issue. They know what's her, they
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: know what kind of treatment planning to go through. It
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: seems like they don't really know what to do with
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Meadows at this point. Yeah, and so that's that's where
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I'd be scared. Like again, I'd put them on my eel.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But if I see a great opportunity elsewhere, I've gotten
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: bait pretty quick.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yep, totally makes sense. Okay, Well, I mean for both
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of the Norby and the Meadows injuries, I didn't necessarily
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: bring up the opportunities that that opened up because it won.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Norby's opened up opportunities on the Miami Marlins, which Norby
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: was maybe just about the only guy drafted on that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: roster in most leagues, along with Xavier Edwards. Like, there's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: just not a lot of fancy value there for the Tigers.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: The man getting extra time for the Medals injury is
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Manny Margo, who was brought into town so very very
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: back end options. I don't think that it's really anything
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: too tantalizing for me. But these next set of injuries
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I think open up some better opportunities for players to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: really shine and kind of take hold of roles on
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: their teams. So I kind of want to check in
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: with you to see what you're feeling. First one is
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the Sacramento Athletics. Zach Gelloff broke his handmate, and so
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: he had surgery on that, going to be out six
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to eight weeks. Honestly, I think totally cutable everywhere. At
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: this point for Galoff, he was already kind of on
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the edge of rosters just thanks to that batting average.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And now if this handmate surgery is going to sap
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: any of his power going into twenty twenty five, it
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: pretty much tanks all the value Galoff had. But in
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: his stead, it looks like Max Munsey. Yes, Max Munsey,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the other Max Munsey who was drafted in twenty twenty three,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: came up as a short stop in the a system,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is going to be their starting second basement for opening day.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: So this is a guy who has a power over
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: contact profile and plays okay defense. So he was at
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: shortstop through much of the minor leagues and should shift
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: over to second base pretty well. Do you think that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: max mnths he can almost just be like a carbon
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: copy of Gelloff? And are you maybe looking to add
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: him any leagues out there?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think you're right. He absolutely does
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: seem to be that carbon copy of Galloff. He's a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: little bit of power, a little bit of speed, a
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: little bit of average, doesn't doesn't do anything substantially well,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: but does a lot of little things just well enough
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: to be to be valuable. So you're talking about a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: middle infield type player here. I don't think I'm running
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: out to add him in any league necessarily, but I'm
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: definitely watching to see does he look comfortable? Does he
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: look like he can do it? You know, spring spring
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: training this this year, you know, he hit two day two,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: hit a homer, stole base, you know, kept the strikeouts
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: in control, walked a little bit like he just looked
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: comfortable on nothing out of the ordinary, which is who
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: he has been his entire minor league career. You know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: at that best, you're probably looking at a maybe a
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: fifteen twenty homer bat with maybe ten or fifteen steals
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: on his best best years, but he might hit two seventy,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: so I think that there's definitely some value there. Luser
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Urius is also there, so as possible he might steal
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: some time. But I think to your the point, I
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: think Moncey's gonna get the opportunity. Probably The best thing
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: here is just all a chaos that this is going
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to cause some fantasy leagues of people trying to pick
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: up the wrong Muncie because they're both kind of in
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the same phase of like waiver wire fodder at this
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: point in time.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is funny. I hadn't thought about that. That's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a good point. I also I was slightly off he
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was drafted in twenty twenty one, not twenty twenty three.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Also went to high school with Jacob Wilson, like, they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: played up the middle together. So that's kind of a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: nice little fun fact at thousand now Oaks High School
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: in California. Okay, let's get to that next injury, and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: it is outfielder gerrar Incarnacion from the San Francisco Giants
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: broke his hand playing the outfield and need surgery. Underwent
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: surgery actually, so that's already happy and probably going to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: be out like six to eight ish weeks, and then
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: from there you're obviously looking at a lot of like
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: what I was just talking about with Geloff for Incarnacion
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: is it's going to take a long time for that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: strength to come back in the hand and be able
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to offer like he was kind of a really fun
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: late dart throw for people because he just smacks the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: crap out of the ball and it's it reminds me
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit of like Franchie Cordero, where like, if
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it all like could work together, maybe you could see
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: in Carnacion running into like a thirty homer season with
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: like a lower ish batting average and just being useful.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: But I think that's out the window now. And what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it does open up for going forward in San Francisco
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: is our boy Luis Matos looks like he's going to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: be making this roster instead of being stuck down in
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Triple A. You've always been on Amato's I have been
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: too because of you, and like it's a great contact profile.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: He swings the bat pretty hard, and this was maybe
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: just the crack that he needed to be able to
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: push his way into the outfield in San Francisco.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, that's my hope. Right, Yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: you got Mikeyu Stripsy s getting the way. First of all,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Mikey Stripsky is like almost thirty five years old.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: He like a year old, right, I know.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: That just blows my mind. Him and La Monte Wade
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: are like the guys that might gets in that playing time.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I think Manto's definitely might get some short sided platoon here,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: but I think he deserves more. Even spring this year,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: he looked solid. He hit three h six, struck out
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: only ten percent of the time, had few homers, few steals,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: good counting staffs. Like the guy continues to just do
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: it everywhere. Yeah, I get the average was not what
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it needed to be last year, but he also had
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a babe up of two twenty one, which is like
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a disastrous compared to his career.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Uh so speedier guy like him.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah he didn't even steven steel based last year in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the in the majors. But yeah he's so eight the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: miners and hit fourteen homers. So like it. It definitely
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: feels like this is probably a make or break for Matos.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's still only twenty three year, he just
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: turned twenty three, so like, but I feel like we've
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: been talking about him for like two three years now,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: so I'm hopeful that this gives him a shot if
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: we do see Matos starting to steal some that time
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: from Stromskier Wade. As far as facing your rights, that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I think I'm willing to take a dart throw here
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: at Matos because it's not gonna be hard to all
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of a sudden look back and see this guy hit
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five homeovers to steal fifteen bases and hit
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: two eighty, Like it's not hard to see it now,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: is it likely? Probably not, especially in that ballpark. But
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I would much rather have Matos here than most Stromski
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Wade or even in Carnacion, to be frank.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, yeah, I think that's all fair. Okay, Well,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: let's get into some of those kind of roster shuffles
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and position battles that have come to fruition here now
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: in spring training, and let's start off with the biggest one,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: because this still astounds me. I still can't believe that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this ended up happening. Cam Smith has broken camp with
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the Houston Astros is slated to be their starting right fielder,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: which maybe we can also in a couple of weeks,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: check back in on that Houston Astros pitching rotation to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: see how that era is looking. With Al two vas
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Smith on the corners. It might be a little rough
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and so, but the one thing that isn't rough about
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Smith's game is the bat. He crushed his way to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: this job, hitting three forty two four nineteen seven to eleven,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: good for one to eighty six WRC plus in spring
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: with four bombs and just absolutely mashed his way into
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the starting lineup in Houston. So this is a guy
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in camp Smith who he hit three levels of the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: miners last year, but it was a total of one
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty four played appearances after being drafted out
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: of Florida State, not a lot of data and not
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of track record to be able to create
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: projections and kind of see what he could be. All
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: everything was great in those one hundred and thirty four
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: played appearances last year, one to seventy nine WRC plus
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: across those three stops. The double A number is also
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it's a little tough because by the end of the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: year when he was up there, everyone good and double
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: A had been moved up, you know, and so he
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: really proved himself in the spring. But Smith, I mean,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: is he entering your top one hundred hitters or what
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: do you think could be his output here for twenty
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: twenty five?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I actually had this conversation in
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the comments of the article this week as I posted,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: and I actually had him in the kind of the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: watching portion of my column because of this, which is
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: he going to make the roster? And when he did,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, I said, he's probably in the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: eighty ninety spot in the top one hundred this point,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: just because of what you said that he's made a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: meteoric rise through the miners and he has not really
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: been challenged yet, and it's gonna happen. It's gonna come.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: But he also looks to be a very very solid
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: hitter that he probably can withstand that. I just I
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: think the hype is probably gonna get a little far
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: away from us here and people think he's gonna be
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a thirty thirty five home or bat out of the gates.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Not gonna necessarily happen. But he also looks really, really
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: comfortable to play, and so I'm willing to take a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: pretty good gamble on cam Smith. And I think the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Cubs have been kicking themselves right now for moving him
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: in the Tucker trade because they just gave the new
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: right fielder for the old right fielder type of thing here,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and the Astros look to have fleeced him on this one.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might not pan out very well considering that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the Cubs could have just plopped him in right. And Yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: if he has any sort of stat line that's close
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to Kyle Tucker, I don't the defense is gonna make it, like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: not close from an overall value, but like an offensive
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: stat line he could push tuckers and just without the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: stolen bases that like, Yeah, certainly you have to add
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: him wherever you can just to be able to like
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: see what happens. But certainly also you have to know
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: that the range of outcomes here is pretty extreme. He
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: hasn't played in triple A. He barely touched double A.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It might not be very surprising if cam Smith needs
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: just to tick more seasoning down in the miners.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might not be. I would say the caveats
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: if you're an OBP league, I think this is really
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: exciting there. He does a great job. He's carried an
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: OBP four hundred or better the majority of his miners career,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: you know, in college, even the spring training year. So
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be something that he gets a little
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: boost in those in those leagues, especially when you don't
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: have to maybe order appoints league categories, something that to
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: rely on the speed. So I think he's gonna do well.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: But to your point, I think there's gonna be some
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: growing pains throughout.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and you have to do you do
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: have to be really careful because this does also remind
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: me a lot of like what happened with Jordan Walker
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in twenty twinty three, So like, yep, that is like
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that's where the floor can be. It can be very
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: very So if you've got the space to play with
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that roster spot with Cam Smith, go for it, but
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: tread lightly. I would say. That's what I'm saying, Like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: do not go out there and spend all your fab
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: money on him. Don't go out there and like if
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: there's an auction tonight, drop twenty bucks on him. Just
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: take it all away.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe the Keeper League, Keeper League can you can go
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: The thing I'll say is I have to give the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: ast some respect here for giving him the shot, because
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: then I see so many teams that players like this
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: just look great. They're like, no, we're in him of
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the miners and that like there's something about that that
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: demoralizes the player, and all of a sudden, it seems
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: like it's just so much harder versus when they're hot,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: they maybe get off to the run of the race
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: in the first few weeks, and it's just you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: all all looking forward. So I love that they're given
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the shot.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's move on to the next guy making
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the roster without a camp and that is Christian Campbell
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of the Boston Red Sox. Has won the second base
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: job in Boston despite pretty middling, if not terrible spring
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: training line one sixty seven three h five two seventy
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: one says sixty wrsc plus struck out thirty and a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: half percent of the time, which he hadn't ever done
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: in the miners, and I'm honestly, I'm shocked that he
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: won the job with that effort. He did start looking
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a little better towards the end of spring. It didn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: show like in the stat line, but I was watching
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: some of those at bats and he looks much more
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: comfortable like playing as a as a ballplayer than you
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: would anticipate for somebody who is only twenty two years
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: old and is you know, made a meteoric rise through
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the minor leagues last year. But Campbell, this is his
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: job to lose from here and out, as there are
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: backups for him in terms of like David Hamilton Von
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Grissom's around, they could bring up Marcel Mayor. So Boston's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: not necessarily like putting all their eggs into this basket.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: They're kind of letting Campbell have this shot. Do you
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: think he can stick? Because it was, like I said,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it was a off spring that he looked a little
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: overmatched by major league quality pitching. And I wouldn't be
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: surprised if Campbell is back down in a month just
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to get a little extra seasoning. But he's got such
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a great frame, such a great played approach, it could
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: stick and just take off as well.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm very surprised he
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: made the roster. He didn't look great, and you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like you said with camp Smith, he
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: played in three different levels last year. The probably difference
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: here is he didn't just rake at every level. He
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: was good, don't get me wrong, but you know, he
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: strolled a little bit in triple A for what he
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: had him been doing, and he kind of held up
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: by some of his counting stats. And so I I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: think he's one of those that it's gonna He's still
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: very young, he's you know, not got the He's a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: kind of wiry kid. Like I think he's got more
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to grow into here. So if I'm looking at these
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: like and I've got somebody that's really excited that Campbell
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: made the team, I probably will to flip him because
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I just I don't see a ton of value this
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: year for Campbell. I think he's going to struggle.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. This strikeouts in the spring are
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: really concerning too, And just like I especially you look
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: at the draft pedigree here too. Like I get that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: he's a great prospect and everything, but just given where
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: he was drafted a couple of years ago, that's a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: lot of development really quickly. That the book will catch
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: up with him, I think as part of why Campbell
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: was able to do so well. But yeah, I think
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I love it for long term that
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it's great to see Campbell break camp this year, but
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five it might be a little bit
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of a middling season as he adjusts to major league pitching. Okay, well,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: let's get into the main portion of these transactions that
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you wanted to get into. Your boy, outfielder Alan Roaden
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: made the Toronto Blue Jays as the starting left fielder,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: mashed in camp, wrapped up up with a four h
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: seven five forty one seven four slash lines and so
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: two twenty WRC plus. I can't say I was at
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays spring training game on Friday. It's very
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: easy to remember how Flatty had that like fifty plus
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: bomb season in Dunedin because the ball flies there. It
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: just goes straight out the park, and I think it
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: helped Alan Roaden. But this dude is a peer hitter too,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: like great I sixteen percent walk rate in in spring,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: ten point eight percent k percentage. Every time I keep
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: looking back at his page because I have been every
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: couple of days thanks to you and trying to like
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: track him. His WRC plus projection ticks up like every
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: single day. Everybody's getting more and more into him. Your
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bold prediction was to was it twenty twenty correct on
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Elan Roden and are you bumping that up?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I gotta looked back to see exactly what was done.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Higher it might have been a little bit more aggressive
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: than that one, I want to say, because I think
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Marmos gave me a little, a little little credit on
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that one. But yeah, so I gave him a twenty
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: fifteen with a two seventy five average, but I said
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: twenty plus fifteen plus. I think he is just one
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of those that if you look through up the minors,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I think was what's so interesting is you look at
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: his I'll say, his approach stats, his his walk rate,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: his k rate, even his i'll call efficiency on the
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: base paths. It's it hasn't changed at all every level.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It is almost identical. And and you listen to him
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: talk and interviews and things. He is a bright guy.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: He is so smart. He's a hard worker. He's he
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't like a top draft pick. He was a third rounder,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: so he was good. But he did have like come
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: with his major pedigree. Like he All he has ever
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: done is hit. That's the great thing about him. He's
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: it's not like he's trying to live up some billion
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: or there wasn't like this big scouting report says he's
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the next best thing. He's getting the kudos right now
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: because he's hitting, not because like Christian Campbell, you can
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: look at h like, oh what he may become and
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: he might be this all starting all these things. Roland's
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: just doing it. And yeah, sure he had a little
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: baby bluck and things like that, but he was just
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: mashing absolutely so with the mar Show injury here, I
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: just hope he takes a hold of this because I
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: think he could be really, really valuable for these Blue Jays,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna get a lot of runway
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: this year. And clearly I have my bold prediction is
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: that he's going to win the Rookie of the Year.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So I gotta stick stick with this and this making
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the team out of the gate as a starting leftfielders
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: just said, is the best way to start my prediction here.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's great. I also I'm viewing
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: him as wherever you had like Lane Thomas valued, that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: right where Rodent. I think it's just left handed Lane
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Thomas in Toronto. Honestly, it's a twenty twenty ish profile.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I think the batting average will maybe be a little
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: bit better for Rodin, but Thomas usually offers just a
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: tick more power, so I think. But that's kind of
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the profile. Looking at in standard like twelve team five
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: y five roto Lane, Thomas was like a ten to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: twelve dollars player at the draft table.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the arawin Thomas was going down.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I think the a Rodin's going up, So i'd pbably
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: take Rodin at this point.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, I like that. I like it. Okay, Well, let's
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: move on to the next guy who made a roster
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: who goes to my Bowl prediction. That is Victor Scott,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the second for the Cardinals, opening the season as the
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: center fielder there after. Just I mean, this is another
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: great Spring line in terms of just absolutely demolished the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: entire league around him. Three forty nine four point fifty
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: one seven to twenty one slash line on one ninety
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: eight WRC plus four homers, five stolen bases, just one triple.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I thought he had a couple of handful of triples
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: because Victor Scott the second motors and my bold prediction, honestly,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if it was maybe I'm just
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: too high on him, but the boldness got tampered down.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: When he was announced as the winner of the center
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: field job for the Cardinals. I had him slated for
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: fifty plus stolen bases. I almost went back to trust
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and said, I might want to help that to sixty
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: or seventy plus, because I just don't I don't see
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: how Scott doesn't steal forty if he sticks in center
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: field or all season for the Cardinals, which I think
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: he will, like, why shouldn't the Cardinals play him every
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: day out there. He's a great center fielder, build the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: confidence of that pitching staff. He was pretty good in September,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Like he was terrible when he broke camp with the
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Cardinals last year, but in September he started putting it together.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: He's got non zero power for like these speed demon guys.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So it's not I think a Billy Hamilton situation where
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the bat's gonna get knocked out of his hand, Victor
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Scott can turn on balls and really put some juice
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: into it. What do you think? Am I being too high?
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Or am I just preaching to the choir as another
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Cardinals fan here?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know, honestly, I think I've been
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: slightly out on Scott just because of my fandom, which
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: is like I just don't want to be hurt again,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the type of thing with you know, Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: give the list goes on the guys that just haven't
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: made it work. But you look at it like, yeah,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: like they should be give him a full run of
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: this year. There should be nobody staying in his way
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: at this point. And if he can just do like
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of what he's been able to do in
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: spring in the minors, like you're absolutely thrilled with that,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: he will play amazing defense. To your point, ceiling fifty
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: bags shouldn't be a big deal, just a matter of
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: can he get on base and be patient enough, which
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the spring he was having no problem being patient and walking.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So I think that there's a heck of a lot
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: of upside here and if you have, if you especially
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: in road leagues, you need to take this flyer. He
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: absolutely needs to take this flyer and see what it
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: is if you're in points or head to heads things
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: like that. Maybe maybe not as interesting here, but he is.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Rodo Gold absolutely, yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get on to the flip side of
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: maybe some sadder notes in terms of players not making
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: the roster from the outfield spot, and one is I
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: mean big time prospect. Evan Carter, twenty two year old
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: did not make the roster in Texas for the center
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: field job, lost out to Laters Tavaris and Kevin Pillar.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: So he will be playing in Triple A after a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: dreadful spring like this is real terrible one fifty four
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: two fourteen two h five slash. That's a ten WRC
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: plus with a thirty five point seven percent strikeout. Right.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I used to be in on Carter pretty heavily because
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of just like honestly, a little bit of like that
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Alan Rodin kind of Lane Thomas profile where decent power
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: can maybe volume. His way to fifteen to twenty homers
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: was always a speed asset, good average, played all the time.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: But I'm one hundred percent out on all levels of
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five leagues, dynasty leagues, keeper leagues with Evan
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Carter just because I think that back injury might have
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: wrecked him. What do you think?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right because I was looking back
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: at his like miners' stats and things like, man, this
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: looks so good. Yeah, it looks like he was, but
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: then to your point, it really took a turn in
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: twenty four. Twenty twenty three, he has some strikeout issues,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: but he still looked like the kind of the guy
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: he's been in the miners adjusting to pitching. So the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: strikeouts were there, but he had a high baby so
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: kind offset some of those things. But then twenty twenty
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: four he just to your point, he looked direct, the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: play approach was questionable getting questionable at that point, and
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: that he just looked bad this spring. So you know,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not completely out on you know, and Carter here.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I think that he does have a profile enough that
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: maybe if he can truly get healthy, there's something to
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: look out for. But to your point, I don't know
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: that we can trust that. I think that's the problem here.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: So great, get to watch, put him on your watch list.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe he gets healthy and he gets goes to run
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: at triple A, then I might be willing to get
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: back into saddle on this one. But when your team
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: picks Leod of Tavares and Kevin blar over you, that's
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: kind of a death sentence at that point.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not great. Okay, Next one we have is
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: your boy, Mitch Haanniger cut from the Seattle Mariners after
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a rough spring with a sixty one WRC plus didn't
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: play that much when he got twenty played appearances. Is
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: he really got squeezed out of that depth chart in Seattle.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I was gonna give you a little bit of space
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: to eulogize your boy, Mitch Haniger, because if you can't
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: cut it on the Seattle Mariners lineup, I'm not sure
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: exactly where you're gonna cut it that maybe we see
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Hannager wind up with like the Marlins or the White
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Sox or something at some point this season. But just
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: he is at this point thirty four years old and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: has not been healthy for quite a stretch and has
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: been striking out too much. So I wanted to give
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you some time and space to process this man news.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Oh this hurts uh. Mitch Hanniger twenty twenty one. Mitchaniger,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: we missed you. You were so good, You had so
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: much promise, and Seattle wrecked you. A few minor injuries
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: here and there didn't help either. You're right, I have
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: we seen the last of Mitch Haniger? I don't think so.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: But I think you're also right where we're gonna see
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: him pop back up here. It's kind of like we
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: were talking about guy like Kevin Pillar, right different because
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Polar has got some great defense and some other different
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: value there. But guys that just keep like latching onto
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the back of rosters like this is the Pittsburgh Pires,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox. This is uh. I could see him
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: a Rockies uniform for whatever whatever reason because.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: You outfielders, but yes they might.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, that's the point, like why give Jordan beck
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: a try? So? I don't think we've seen the the changer.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I think we've seen the inn of any value from Hanniger.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I thought this was the chance that coming back home
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: for Seattle, maybe he truly was, you know, finally healthy,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: going to do something. I didn't make any old predictions
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: this year on Hanniger because I've been burned there in
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: the past, and I think we can let him right
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: off from the sunset. You looked at what they said
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: about him as he was cut, it was like it
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: was almost a eulogy of he arrived in twenty seventeen,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: he establishes it was part of the you know, face
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: of the franchise and all these things. It's just like
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: that he's never come back to Seattle, that's for sure.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, well let's talk about another very old man
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: who signed this week and didn't quite make the roster.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: But that's just because he's got to go to the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: minor leagues and get a few starts in, but should
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: be up pretty quickly in this season. And that is
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: thirty seven years Kyle Gibson moving to the Baltimore Orioles,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: going back to the Baltimore Oriols. Actually and So had
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: a relatively solid season last year where low key Floyd
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: flew under a lot of radars, was useful for fantasy purposes,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: especially for streams at home, and you know, put up
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a four to twenty four ERA over one hundred and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: sixty nine and two thirds innings, eight wins, eight k
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: per nine. It's solid for just kind of like a
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: streaming picture. Are you interested in Gibson in that role
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: on the Orioles.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: It's it's what you said, this is a streaming picture.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Gibson's kind of in that range of a guy like
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a Seth Lugo type form a few years ago. Even
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: David Peterson of the Mets, which I think both have
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: actually a step tatus up above this, which is like
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: the guy that's just on the periphery. I need to
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: plug a spot my roster because I've got a few
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: extra injuries. I'm not matt at Gibson because don't think
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: he's gonna blow up. He's also not gonna gonna carry me.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: So he's the perfect guy for two start week in
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: good ballparks. Right, you absolutely love Gibson for that and
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: you but you also are you know, it's kind of
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Nathany Valdi territory as well, not to the same degree,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: not to the same heights of what Valdi because we
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: love him here on this pod, uh can do.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: But you're not.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: You're not going to see blow ups from gibbson either.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: You're not going to see him really struggle. So good
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: gift for the For the Orioles, it was either Gibson
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: or Lancelenn sound like.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: So I think that they chose right, Yeah, yeah, I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: think so. And especially given the ground ball tendencies that
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Gibson has that I'll play I think decently in in
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Camden there and certainly it's a tough division, but I
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: think he'll find his spots throughout the season to be useful. Okay,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: let's move across the country to San Diego, because this
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: roster is ridiculous in terms of the amount of movement
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: that's been happening on it, as well as just like
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the patchwork that Aj Preller is putting together to try
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to keep this machine running in San Diego. As the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: well first, Connor Joe did not make the roster. He
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: got sent down to the miners.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: But I don't know they're thinking there because Connor Joe
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: is goals in April, so they were missing an opportunity there, I.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Mean, because he was always playing in like Colorado and
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and just like playing.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: But they did shuffle the roster and have been. I mean,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: there's still some cuts coming because like to get some
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of these guys on the forty man, they have to
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: make moves. But they've told Jose Gleasias, Yuli Guriel and
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Martin Maldonado that they're all making the roster. Yes, I said,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the Padres are doing that, not the White Sox or
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: the Marlins. That's kind of where they're shopping. But the
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: big one here that interests me is my boy, big
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: old Gavin Sheets is having your career revival for the Padres.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew this was always in his bat
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: just watching him with the White Sox, that he needed
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: somebody who just knew how to coach him. And we've
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: seen it spring. He's been brilliant in the DH role
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: three point fifteen three seventy three seven oh four slash
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: line one seventy wrs plus, popped six bombs. And this
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: is exactly the type of guy who I think can
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: really shine as a full time DH on a good
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: roster and just having like competent hitting coaches around him.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: That I'm certainly in in all only leagues. He's a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: must add in fifteen teamers. He's probably a watch lister more.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: But I'm putting a star next to Gavin Cheats's name
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty five. What do you think about him?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Is that maybe too bullish on him or do you
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: just need to look at that spring stat line again
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: before you get on board the Gavin Sheets experience here?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I was just marveling at the age of
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the average age of Julie Guriel, Jose Glacis, Martin Maltonado.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: If you could pick who's the youngest, who do you
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: think is the youngest of those guys.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: It's Iglaciers.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: It's got as glacious Glaciers is a Yeah, he's a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: spring chicken of thirty five, is thirty eight and Griels forty.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: So they just brought the average roster age way up there.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: You can bring up Debreese now and be absolutely fine
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: with your average rosterrge. But yeah, I think I think
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you're right. Like you can look at sheets his spring training,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and you know he's he's always had some intrigue, just
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: hasn't seemed to put it all together. He looked really
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: good this spring. I can't fully buy into it. I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: just can't, but I can't ignore it either. And so
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: it's not like you look at here and there's something
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: in those metrics that was just way off for what's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: he's always done. Maybe a little bit lucky when over
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: a third of your fly balls leave the ballpark, that's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: generally not sustainable. So don't run that back. You know,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: he's a career ten percent home run for a flyball guy,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: not thirty five percent, and so you know, maybe Taylor
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: that back, but maybe he's fifteen homer power here for
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the Padres. So it'll be interesting to see what kind
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: of playing time he gets there in the outfield, but
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: he can play a little bit all over, and I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: don't think garyel Iglesias Moldonata We're really gonna threaten his
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: playing time. So I'll give Sheets a kind of watchless
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: for now. But he's your boy, so I'll expect to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: read about him every other week.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially if there's a week where it lines
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: up the Padres are playing like all right handed bats, like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: he becomes like a twelve team streamer, honestly, because the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: only thing that's holding him is hit back is his
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: production getst lefties, which he's dreadful like he's never gonna
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: hit lefties, I don't think. But he is absolutely gonna
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: annihilate right handed pitching in San Diego. I think. I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a nice little year for Gavin Sheets. Okay,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: we've got a couple more, so let's stick in the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: NL West because this is the most confounding one, because
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you were trying to put man Haneger on
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the Rockies. The Rockies don't need any more outfielders because
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: they have Nick Martini, baby, who made the roster over
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Zach vien I guess my question here is are you
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: still tucking away zach Vien where you can? Because, like,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: it's such a tough game playing this with the Rockies
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of how they're gonna handle their young players.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: We just covered it in terms of bringing in Freeman
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and blocking Amador who was readily there. Now they have
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Martini who they brought in and used him to block
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: zach Viene, who had a great spring that we talked
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: about and looked like he deserved to be on that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: roster just to I don't even know if he would
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: have totally like succeeded in MLB and might have been
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: back in Triple A by May, but like, good lord,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: why not give him a shot and see what happens? Like, yeah,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: are you are you tucking ving away on bench spots
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: anywhere in hopes that he could come up and the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Rockies come to their senses.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just Flatno, I can't trust the Rockies here,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: because you're right, they should have given him a shot.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: He's you know, he's now in his twenty three year
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: old season, he's on the forty man, he was playing
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: his best ball. Like, if you're not gonna give him
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: a shot now, and you're gonna pick Nick Martini over him.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I have zero faith that you're gonna call him up
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: and not give him the what Brendan Rodgers, Ryan McMahon,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Jordan Beck basically the name any other prospects that the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Rockies have ever had that they've just jerked him around
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: for the first few years of their career. I don't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: know what Ziegel Touvard did to not get that treatment,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: So maybe he needs to go spend some time with Tovar.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm I'm not sticking around on on Vean when
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: all logic said he should be there and there was
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: still some red flags wrong. He still strikes out too much,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't get on base as much as we'd like, you know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: but he could have been an exciting player, still had
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the great draft that agree like, why did you give
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: him a shot? So I'm not holding on any bench spots,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: even minor league spots. I'm kind of like, if there's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: something better, I'll I'll jump out of it. I know
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: he's your boy, I know you wanted to see it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: So are you are you holding on to him? Are
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: you keeping the money and rosters? Or is it just
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: it's cut bait? Because it's the Rockies.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you've got if you're in a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: league with minor league spots obviously, but like, no, you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: can't be wasting a reserve spot on some way like
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Being with the history of what the Rockies kind of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: do with their prospects that you just don't know when
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: he's going to be up. So that's the biggest issue,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and especially the way that Being plays. He kind of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: is one of those players where like this is the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: type that you shade away from because he plays real hard,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and like that's how he's gotten the wrist injury, like
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the hand injury and just kind of like running into
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: bags and playing the outfield hard and like he goes
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: full bore. And so it's not necessarily like a great
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: player to stash on your bench because who knows if
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: he injures himself down in Triple A and it's just
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: all gone immediately. So I think he's best to be
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: thrown back into the free agent pool and you can
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: just kind of see what the Rockies do with him
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Okay, well, let's get into
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the last kind of roster move we have, which, honestly,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: this is a fun one because all three guys I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: really like in the NL West. Still here San Francisco Giants,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: we're talking their rotation. Hayden Birdsong and Land and Rupe
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: both made the roster, and then right after everybody went
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: in a flurry going in on Hayden Birdsong, who had
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: a brilliant spring, which I'm happy to see after kind
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: of calling him out in our NL West preview because
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: whatever Justin Ferlander was telling him has been working. He
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: looks electric, but he's going to be doing it out
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: of the bullpen. Land and Roup is getting that fifth
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: starter job in San Francisco. Kyle Harrison going back to
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Triple A, although it was still okay in spring, not
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: necessarily like the worst spring. He just kind of got
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: up pitched by Roupe and bird Song. So what are
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you doing with this trio pictures? Because San Francisco is
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: obviously a great landing spot for any picture, but it
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: does Roupe like, do you think he can keep this
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: all year? Any point in rostering bird Song or Harrison
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: at this point in hopes of them entering that rotation soon.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm really confounded by by Like, all three
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: of these guys have warts and but all three of them.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: You can see fantastic things happening. That's what's so confounding
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: about these guys. I I was a little surprised the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: bird Song didn't get the get the shot there. He
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: looked better, uh frankly, And so I'm not sure what
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: the what the giants were kind of looking there. Why
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: they're they're giving Roup the that first shot over bird Song.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just a innings game with bird Song here
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that they want to kind of keep his his innings
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: down where he you know, he did get one hundred
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: and sixty innings last year, whereas Rupe didn't up uh
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: managed quite a bit, quite a bit less, only about
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: seventy six. So you'd think if they're trying to stay anything,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: but it would be Group. So I'm I'm struggling here.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: All three of these guys walk too many guys. They're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: not the kind of guys that I would generally invest in.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm probably staying away from pretty much all of them.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Hairs especially, I think he's because he still has't know
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: where the ball's going. But if any of them would
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: to pique my interest, it's bird Song. I probably got
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: it on my watch list just to see did they
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: figure something out? Because frankly, he is a four pitch pitcher,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: but he only had last year one pitch that was
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: actually like positive run value, which was his curveball. So
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: is he becoming like a two pitch pitcher or something
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: like that? Is that what's happening here is that he's
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: really found like mazing tweak and he's gonna be a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: bullpen guy because he's only got two pitches worth throwing.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing I could see going on here.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: So I'm a little perplexed. I'm staying away from the situation.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: How about you? Am I too negative here out in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: San fran No.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Harrison is sent down to work
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: on some stuff, and it binds me a little bit
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: of like wizen Hunt, where maybe the giants themselves have
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: soured a little bit on what Harrison offers and has
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: really preferred what Rupe and bird Song can do. I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: do think that if you did bring in bird Song,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I would hold him for a couple of weeks because
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: you never know when an injury might pop up and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: he's gonna just slot right into that rotation. And I
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: think I agree that, Like I'm surprised that he lost
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: out to Rupe because he had a better spring. He's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: looked really good, and maybe it is just kind of
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: like a seniority thing. Is Rupe is just a tick
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: holder and so you know, kind of was in the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: organization before bird Song and that's maybe what they're playing
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: paying deference to. So yeah, I mean, I think either
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: way though, you're looking at a pretty solid fantasy starter
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: in Roup and bird Song when they're in there that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: certainly pick up Roup wherever all leagues. I think at
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: this point, like even down to twelve teamers, given that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: he's going to be pitching in San Francisco, has looked
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: really good. Bird Song you could stash away if you've
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: already picked him up, but I wouldn't go out and
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: pursue him right now.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we've got one big major piece of card
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: news before we take a little bit of a break
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and get into Top's heritage High number twenty twenty four,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: we had the Paul Schiens twenty twenty four MLB debut
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: patch card finally get to auction and was completed for
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: one point one one million and just an absolutely absurd
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: take home. I don't know how that still stacks up
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: against the package that the Pittsburgh Pirates were offering, and
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: certainly whoever sold the card and acquired the card doesn't
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: get to meet Livy Dunn, so jokes on for that perspective.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, is this about the value that you saw
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: this card going for? And do you think that there's
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: any sorts of cards. I mean, we talked about those
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Golden Logo manned cards from last year, from last week,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: but I think those probably won't quite have the hype
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: as MLB debuts. But do you think there's anybody in
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: this class that maybe could have an MLB debut card
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: that starts pushing into Schemes territory.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's hard to see that. I mean
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I did not see a million dollar valuation
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: on on this card. According according to TOPS, only five
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: other cards have sold for more. So I think I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: was there not putting that valuation on it. This isn't
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: a Mickey Mantle or anything like that. It's not a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: trout like super Fractor, it's it's uh, just the rookie
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: debut auto patch from Schemes, which again I had said
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: it before. If I had it, I would have been
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: negotiating directly with the pirates and trying to make a
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: deal which I probably would have gladly taken less than this,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: so I would have been wrong. But hey, there's probably
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: you know, a premium here, something getting kicked back to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: the auction house. Like let's be honest, right, they're only
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: taxes all that they're not getting as much. But for
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: ones this year, I don't see it. Maybe it's like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: a James Wood or something. If he goes yeah, Cam Smith,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Like if one of those goes absolutely bananas and it
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: is like threatening, like the MVP discussion, then you might
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: want to talk about it like this. But Skene's mania
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: was just something so unique. He had a social media presence,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: he had Livy don like it. I don't know if
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: you can cook that up again, Like, I don't know
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: that you could cook up that much hype. And it's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: just funny talk about that from a card perspective with
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: a pitcher and so like this card's never gonna be
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: worth the one point one million. Again, I don't see
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: that happening, but yeah it is. It's surprising. It's shocking
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: all the same time as not because all the hype
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: that was behind that card. The Pirates probably just played
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: into it with their with their thirty year season ticket
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: offer as well. So it's fun to see. I'm guessing
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: you didn't buy this one.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, just a little bit out of my budget.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: You didn't cover Rookie Saki either. Could be the other
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: person that you're looking at that could be in this
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: territory of Paul Sky.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. Like I think you could see
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: as Asaki like if he just goes bananas. It's kind
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: of like an each year, each Yiro coming over type
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: thing that I guess, Okay, I'll give you that one.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe if they somehow sneak a rookie jersey and know
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Atani or something like, I'll he'll have the gold gold patch,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: so that I guess maybe the a Toddy gold patch
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: might if he does another crazy season, might be might
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: it might try to sneak out there.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't also hold the weight of like the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: rookie debut that like Rookie Susaki had, and if that
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: had been like a fantastic outing, that would have been huge.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: But you could see also like some sort of like
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Fernando Mania type hype coming around rookie if he starts
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: hitting a hot stretch, but I.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Don't want to now. I do think that the the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: TOP fanatics missed out and putting on a patch on
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Otani in the fifty to fifty game, Yes, and then
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: doing that that would have been a different discussion.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: So yes, okay, Well, with that, we are going to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: take a short break here and then we will come
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: back to discuss twenty twenty four TOPS.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Heritage High Number.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, everybody. We are going to dive
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: right into the overview of twenty twenty four TOPS Heritage
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: High Number. So if you recall back in April of
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, episode thirty nine, especially because I know
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: everybody that's listening to this pod has all of our
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: episode numbers and topics memorized, so when I rattled that off,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: obviously everybody knew. But that's when we cover the initial
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: release of TOPS Heritage. And so this is what is
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: in essence like a series two to TOPS Heritage and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: TOPS Heritage when it came out was a five hundred
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: card set, with the last one hundred of those being
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: short prints. And so now this builds on top of
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: it where it picks up right at five oh one
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: goes to seven hundred, and then the last twenty five
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: seven oh one through seven twenty five are short printed
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: again in high Heritage high number. So this is actually
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: traditionally a product that comes out late fall, but it
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: has been delayed heavily from twenty twenty four and pushed
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: closer to actually the traditional release of Heritage, which is
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: typically like late April early May. So we'll see when
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Heritage gets scheduled because of this. But
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: the big reason that they pushed this one back is
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: because it's a pretty major release in terms of the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: chase cards in this set, We've got a lot of
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: great rookie cards between Paul Skeens, Jackson, Holiday, Jackson, Kirk, Cherio, Jackson, Merrill,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: all of them have autos, and the big ones that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you're chasing here are the real one autographs out of
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: the Heritage boxes that will have the red ink variations
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: that are short printed, so they're just fantastic on card
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: autos of the nineteen seventy five tops design that Heritage
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: is based off of. On top of it all, this
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: is probably i would say the number two set for
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: set builders out there, behind just Basic Flagship that it
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: seems that there's tons of people out there that are
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: always facing tops Heritage and Heritage high number full sets
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to get all the short prints, and especially like it's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: kind of in the sweet spot of the nostalgia factor
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: of people who used to collect back in the seventies
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: and eighties that building the sets was such a monumental
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: task that this kind of harkens back to that, and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: the short prints helped that out because even back in
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: the day, like there were quote unquote short prints that
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: were either explicit or kind of like implicit for the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: numbered star cards that came on like every even number.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: So it's always going to be a fun rip. But
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to enter this conversation with just
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of caution considering a lot of the hype here,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: because traditionally Heritage is a tough rip. You don't hit
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: a lot. I've stopped ripping blasters of it because like,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time we've hit anything decent
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: out of Heritage, either high number previously or just regular.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: It's never been a great odd set. But what is
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: your historical kind of you know, interact throughout year time.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I always been a big fan of Heritage,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I've I've done okay while while ripping it. I've also
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: got myself in trouble a few times. Because Heritage the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: the product, because it is so light on hits, the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: value of a hobby box could very drastically there. You
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: can go back a few years and get it like
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: a high number box for like forty bucks, because you're
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: in the era of well, you're most likely going to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: get a relic and one other insert and that's it,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: and so it's like a go big or go home.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I think like even you know, I try to remember
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: what year it was with Wit WITHO be twenty two,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Bobby wits his Rookie, and like you could that's the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: I think I bought a box those for forty bucks
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: and ripped through it like hey, whip Rookie and those
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: you know, four or five dollars card and that was
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: like the only card of any value in the entire box.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: If you hit the auto, like it's a huge card.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: People die for those things, especially the red real and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: red autos on those. So but to your point, like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: what you can get in a box, you're usually getting
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: like a handful of chrome cards, maybe a few parallels,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: and that's it from a guarantee perspective, and then your
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: your hits are few and far between, even though Heritage
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: is known for all kinds of their quirks of like
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: your color swaps and your missing names, missing signatures, all
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: these which I used to love because it was hard
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: to find, like you can kind of sneak these things through.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: But now what you always seem to give is like
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: your short prints quote unquote short prints, which like these
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: high number short prints and they're just not they're kind
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: of sneeking cards through and column short prints that aren't
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: really short prints because you're get one out of the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: other packs. So it's I have soured on it. The
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: other thing is this year's high number the ice point
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: is substantial, which is a big difference. I think when
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: you and I talked about it maybe a few weeks ago,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: we're like, it's you know, it's probably gonna be ninety
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: two hundred bucks, So it's reasonable things like that, because
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: that's what it's been. That's what, like Heritage itself, was
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: this I've first of all, I was apparently blocked on
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: tops dot com, so that's probably personally personal. It's my
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: ip has been blocked from Tops, but the secondary market
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: or even not secondary but some of your your online retailers.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: It's like two hundred and twenty five dollars for a
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: bus and like you're only getting that money back if
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: you hit one of the big rookies autos. That's only
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: way you're getting that back. Maybe in one of those
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: fake air cards from like Paul Schimes, that might be
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: what you're you're getting. Otherwise it's a it's a crapshoot.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that's all straight secondary market markeup
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: because it was one hundred dollars box on tops dot com,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: which is a little bit pricier than what Heritage tried
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Umber is gone forward usually it is like eighty ninety bucks.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: It's a very value based ripped because they know, especially
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: on top of like not only not having the grace
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: hits from in terms of relics and even the inserts,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: like the inserts are just kind of they're okay, like
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: they're fun, but they're not very well short printed, are
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: kind of highly desired. I mean evidence of that. Like
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: one of the main insert sets this year is like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: fred Linn Highlights, which that's a pretty niche group there
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: you know, not a ton of like Fred Linn collectors
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: out there that's really kind of pushing that market up.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: But on top of it all, like it's a tough
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: checklist on Higherritage High Number because it's essentially like tops
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: update in terms of like the names that you're looking
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: at in the checklist, because it's guys who have changed
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: teams during the year, or kind of reliever rookie cards
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: who you know, they came up for a cup of
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: coffee and you look through it a couple of years later,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, I have no idea who this dude is.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I do not remember then there were some sort of
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: backup second basement and you know, some journeyman that it's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: a tough checklist outside of the Paul schemes and those
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: big rookies, And it does feel pretty predatory in terms
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: of what people are doing with the pricing on these
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: hobby boxes, because I've ripped Heritage High Number hobby box
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: in the past because of what you're saying, like it's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: a great eighty ninety one hundred dollars price point because
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: heritage is just kind of fun, but like you've got
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to expect you're going in there even at eighty or
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: ninety bucks, losing your money at two hundred. That's really
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: really terrible and just really really rough.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And I think I've always loved Heritage
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: because the kind of callback to the vintage days is
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: just kind of reminds you those products, and the seventy
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: five design is fantastic. It's a fantastic design, and it's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: kind of fun to have the old cardboard card stock
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: back those types of things. But yeah, it's it's you
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: can already hear we're a bit down on Heritage this year,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: especially what you're gonna get for the price you have
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: to pay for High Number.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I mean if you do want something
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: a little more affordable, you can go out there and
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: find those boxes in retail settings in terms of your blasters,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: but they'll also have fat packs and stolo packs and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: hangars and all sorts of kind of like little different
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: variations for Heritage High Number out in retail stores. I
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: can tell you, though, it's not great sledding on the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: retail side of Heritage that I always have felt disappointed
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: after ripping Heritage, both Regular and High Number out of
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: a retail setting, just because like it's not getting like
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: a parallel or two, but it is certainly few and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: far between the terms of the odds. So it is like,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: it's a much simpler rainbow here. So I'm going to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: actually pass it over to you. It's a it's a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: short guy rainbow. So let the people know out there,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: if you're building that Paul Scheme's rookie card rainbow, what
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: parallels are you gonna be picking out?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably I probably should look at a few my
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: list heres to make sure. No, it's right, it's that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: that small. And so we have a total of and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna argue some of these aren't even parallels, but
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say eighth parallels here. And so you have
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: your aqua border parallels. Those are one in every twelve
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: hobby packs. You have your black and white image which
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: are much harder to find oney eight hobby packs. Dark
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: blue borders. Those are one in every six hobby green
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: bordered one every three value value packs are not in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: hobby dark blues not in value. You also get your minis,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: which those haven't been as always around. Those are one
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: and every thirty packs white border, which is a little
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: bit one of the more common parallels. Is one and
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: every fifteen black border much harder to find. One hundred
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: and forty one hobby packs. Black is numbered mean think
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: air quotes numbered to fifty. They're not actually numbered, but
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: they are limited to fifty copies each is historically has been.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: And then flip stock is limited to five copies each.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: That's one and every about fourteen hundred hobby packs. What
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: flip stock is is essentially this card stock is the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: opposite of what you expect on a normal card. So
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: the front is a lot rougher is what you expect
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: on the back. The back has a little bit more
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: of that fin finer finish. So they flipped the card
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: stock essentially upside down on those cards. So that's it.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: That's your Maybe maybe I can try to get into
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: short prints. I talked about this earlier, like your higher
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: number cards are considered short prints one every four packs.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: But you've got an eight card rainbow here, So if
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: you want to go after it, you want to go
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: out for a rainbow, it's it's within heritage because we're
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: not even talking about there's not one of ones. You'ren't
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: even talking about one of ones here within heritage, you
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: don't talk about printing plates like they don't do those,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: uh with with Heritage and it is a pretty gush
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: darn then.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: List Yeah, I mean they do have the superpractor on
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: the chromes, yes, but yeah not on the base and yeah,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: good luck also trying to do this rainbow because finding
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: those flip stocks is near impossible. They're hard to like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: pick up because like you have to recognize it, like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: physically to see the rougher side finding out on an
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: eBay listing, I don't even know. I wouldn't even try,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: like to trust that because they don't Actually, I don't
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: think they label them. Most of the other ones they
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: label on the back of like right next to the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: number of the card. On the back, it says what
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: variation parallel it is, But I don't think they do
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: that on the flip stock. It's really tough.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think they do. You have to actually
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: look at the kind of the serial number on the cards. Yeah,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: that's one of the things if you do rip Heritage,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: you always need to go through to try to find
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: the color swaps, the image variations, the team city swaps,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: all those kind of things. You have to go essentially
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: go through your cards one time and most of these
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: are flipped backwards in the pack, so it's easier that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: you speaks. They didn't used to be that way, but
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I still do it because I just don't trust myself.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: I'll flip the cards over and you actually go through
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: the serial number the very bottom of the card, and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: your commons all have the same last few digits, and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: then every parallel that's valuable not necessarily insert has a
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: different serial number, So that's a good way to kind
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: of catch those. And so you go through and say,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this is here, say it's you know,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: ends in two one nine, everything two and nine, and
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you see something different. Set that
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: one aside because you want to look into it and
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: see what that is. But to your point, flip stock
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: that's about the only way you're finding it. Or to
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: your point, if you feel feel when you open that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: that card should feel a little odd, But if you're
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: not looking closely, it feels odd because it's just like backwards,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's backwards in the pack, so actually feels normal.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah exactly. And you covered a couple
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: of the other kind of variations that the list that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: you ran through for the rainbow, that is for every
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: card within this set of the two hundred. Then you
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: also get color swap variation, which is just limited to
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: forty of those cards. So this is where you will
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: actually just see like the colors on the pattern of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: the seventy five design are just different, like top and
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: bottom in verse. Yeah, yeah, it pops out pretty and
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: especially this is it'd be a good one to go
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: to rasball dot com and check out the post related
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: to this to see the nineteen seventy five design if
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: you don't know it off the top of your head
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: that it has two colors on the border, and so
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: these color swap variations they'll just be inversed flip flopped
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: for what the normal kind of team setup is. Then
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: you have twenty cards that are an image variation, and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: so this is where the actual kind of player image
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: on the card will have a different parallel short print
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: variation to it. Next one is a missing signature variation,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: again limited to twenty cards. This is on the seventy
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: five design. There's a facsimile auto on the front of
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: them for each player, this parallel will just have that
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: missing Next one we have is team named City name
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: swap variation, which this one is one of the trickier
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: ones to find, honestly because like you don't think about
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: it all the time, and this is where it just
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: like it says the team name and the city name
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: will be swapped on the seventy five design, limited again
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: to twenty cards. Then last one you have is throwback
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: uniform variation, which is limited to ten different cards, and
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: this is just another kind of photo variation. So those
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: are the other ones that you want to keep your
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: eyes peeled for. But most of those also will have
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: that labeled on the back above the number of the card,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: just say like city or throwback to let you know
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: that it is a parallel. But they pop out when
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: you're sorting through them if you don't find them flipping
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: at first, So keep your eyes peeled for those. If
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you're ripping any heritage out there.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. There are fun to find,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: you know, this is what if you're a collector, trying
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: to find these sometimes be hard. Also, every once in
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: a while they'll make kind of air. I think it
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: was last year that they've made an air and like
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: all I think it was all the angels didn't have
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: the team named Angels printed on it, uh and so
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: Otani in the base Heritage looked like it was a
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: missing team name. Parallel people are selling them with it. Oh,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: I caught it, and then it just turned out that
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: they didn't print the word Angels on like any Angels cards,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: and it was an actual error as opposed to a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: fake air. So hey, it just has a little a
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: little bit of something for everybody.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And we touch on this a little bit.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Pretty solid autograph check list. They're very, very hard to hit,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: but I certainly encourage you to chase them if you're
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: looking for PCs of your players, to get some of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: these real One Heritage autos, especially on the seventy five design.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: It's gonna look fantastic in any collection out there. Gonna
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: be tough to rip them open. But any of these
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: kind of different sets of autographs really intrigue you more
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: than the other, or any of these kind of big
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: time chase cards that are included in these sets really
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: stand out to you compared to what has been included
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: in either Tops products in the past or Heritage products
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: in the past.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm excited, first of all, the real
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: One autos or breaks are on card autos, and what's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: really unique about them on the real one Red Ink
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Special Edition, they are hand numbered I believe by the player.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent certain that because they could
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: go arise somewhere, but they are physically hand numbers on
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: the cards. And there's a few cool names with within
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: this because they have a few throwbacks here. You actually
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: have a Ken Griffy, uh, and it says Ken Griffy
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: is one of those junior senior. I believe it's gonna
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: be junior because it's with the Reds, but it could
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: could be. It might be maybe maybe this, But so
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: you have some cool just names. You have a Goose
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Gossage in there, uh, Sparky Lyle, so you got some
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: cool guys have been around. But at the same time
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: you can also pulled Drew Rum. So it's it's got
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: the it's got the relievers in there as well as
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, So those are those are fun. Also, the
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Clubhouse collection autos Clubhouse Collections awesome relics, but it's a
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: really thin checklist there and it's mostly big name rookies
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: and big name Hall of famers like Robin Yontunt Justin Steele,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: Jason Domingez, Josh Young, Curtis Meade. There's some big ones
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: there as well, so lots of on with the autographs.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: They are very hard to compy.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean the big time chase ones here.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: You've also got one of one cut signatures from celebrities
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: and so it's a pretty short checklist that we've only
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: got eight of these, and I mean, I should say
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: baseball and celebrities because what they're doing with these cut
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: autographs are actually from people who have passed away, so
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: that they're cutting them out from a lot of checks,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of like checks that people have is usually
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: where they get these, but otherwise, you know, like other
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: autograph seekers and stuff. So it's a limited list of
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: just eight. One of one's Dick Williams, Hank Aaron, Harmon Kilbrew,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Joe Frazier, James Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Aya Coca. I
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: don't know who that is off the top of my head.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Ringo Star. I guess he's not dead, but Ringo Star
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: is also in that set too. I'm gonna look up
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Lee Aya Coca because that one goes over my head.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: He was, Oh, he's the guy who developed the four Mustang. Yeah, like, okay,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: that makes a little more sense. So pretty cool cards
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: to chase. They're also pretty impossible to hit because they're
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: like the baseball ones, those Dick Williams, Hank Aaron Harmon
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Kilbrew one in every one point three million Hobby packs.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: The celebrity ones are one in every six hundred and
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: eighty nine thousand hobby packs. So yeah, tough to get
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: those chase cards, but also a little different. Usually there's
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: been like presidents and historical figures mixed in there a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: little bit more, but I guess it is high number
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: versus compared to regular heritage that I have to kind
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: of set my sights on here. Then otherwise, I guess
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: we can touch a little bit on some of the
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: inserts here. We touched on the fred Linn one, the
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: fred Linn Files insert sets, so that's going to be
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: out there for all the Fredlinn heads. And I think
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: they're also like, yeah, they're all Boston Red Sox ones,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: which almost kind of like ruins. Half the fun of
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Fredline when you get into like late career Fredline with
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: like Angels and Padres and Tigers. Like one of my
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: favorite fred Linen cards is just because I had it.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Is I think the eighty eight Tops card for the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Tigers where he looks so old and like he has
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: this crazy fro and it's a great card. But of
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: the other inserts really kind of stand out to you
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: from what has been introduced in heritage high number here
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: or that have been repeats that you enjoy from the past.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll call out to one. I'm gonna go
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: with the nineteen seventy five Tops originals.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: This is in uh.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: These are stamped buyback of original nineteen seventy five Tops
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: baseball cards and so these are usually in as box
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: loaders where you also get like jumbo cards or things
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: like that, and generally it's they've taken the whole checklist
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy five and they've stamped every single one.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: It's actually pretty gustal hard to find. You get one
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: in every seventy nine hobbies and so that is much
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: rare at that point. And it's kind of cool because
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: they bought these house circulation. They put the stamp on them.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: They're not numbered. But if you go back and do
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: the math, because I have a few of these and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: I've done the math and it's somewhere in the thirty
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: to forty range kind of print run on these print
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: run stamp run what do you want to call that?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: And so it's just kind of a cool thing, and
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: you can, you know, people don't really realize that, so
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: they sell them, try to get rid of them if
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: they hit them, kind of as that top loader, try
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: to get you know, five ten bucks back from them.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: And if it's a big name like that's those could
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: be pretty valuable. Then the other one I'm gonna call
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: out here is and I've seen nothing on this list.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: One just look at the checklist here. They have the
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five Happy Birthday checklist and is a single
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: card and it's just as Happy Birthday, and that's all
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: I can find about it. And so it's just like
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: one of one Happy Birthday card on the seventy nineteen
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: seventy five card stock. And so I have no idea
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: what this is about. I haven't be able to find
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: anything as I've been looking preaching, have you do you
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: know anything about this?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I've checked this card boat that was actually about to
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: ask you the same question if you had found anything.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't really found anything. I do wonder if it
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: is something akin to like the VIP party card, where
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: there's some sort of redemption that goes back to Tops.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Because it's really short printed. I mean, you're looking at
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: one in every twenty nine thousand hobby packs. So I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: think that's what I have to theorize on. I will
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: note though, that we'll try to find out what it
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: is later because I've looked on Top social media's and
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: other places. They haven't really done a great job of
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: announcing exactly what that nineteen seventy five Happy Birthday card is.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've tried using the AI on Google to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: try to find this and I've got nothing. I've found
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing on this one, So we will have to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: come back to this one to see because You're right,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: it does feel like it's some special like chase that
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: they've yet to announce. It's kind of snuck in the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: checklist because it was listed. But it's got to have something,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: probably something celebrating the birthday of Tops or fanatics or
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: something like that that's a big give away, a trip
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: to New York to the Top store or.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm fascinating because this
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: is like exactly the type of content they usually have
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: on their Instagram, but they've been so wrapped up in
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: the Japan series and them and all the Yotani like
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty sets and stuff they've been trying to
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: sell that it's been look chaotic. The other thing that
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  Speaker 1: I think I want to call it before we kind
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  Speaker 1: of wrap up all of things, Heritagehigh number twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four is calling out some of these, I mean the relics,
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  Speaker 1: the Quad, Triple and Dual relics, which are all one
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  Speaker 1: of ones are incredible and includes some just crazy players
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  Speaker 1: like the Quad ones, and there's only three one of ones.
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  Speaker 1: One is for Baltimore with Jackson Holliday, Jim Palmer, Gunner, Henderson, Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: Robinson ones for a bunch of like ACE seventies pitchers
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  Speaker 1: between Nolan Ryan, top receiver, Brett bly Levin, Phill nkro
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  Speaker 1: Then you have one for the Dodgers of Steve gar
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  Speaker 1: Dohn Sutton, Freddie Freeman, Clayton Kershaw. You can go to
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  Speaker 1: rasball dot com and see the Orioles one that they
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  Speaker 1: have a picture of it on that the released just
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  Speaker 1: like crazy killer patches that they put on these things,
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  Speaker 1: really huge. Chase cards, and they look gorgeous on the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five color design and everything. So that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be the other big chase cards. But like I said,
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  Speaker 1: just like the rest of them, really tough to hit.
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  Speaker 1: The quad is only one in every four hundred and
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  Speaker 1: sixty thousand hobby packs. Same with the triple on. You
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  Speaker 1: got better shot of hitting the one of one dual relics,
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  Speaker 1: which are one in two hundred and seventy five thousand packs.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm only looking to the one of ones.
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  Speaker 1: There are also base ones, but those will be just
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  Speaker 1: kind of your standard, like oh, here's a patch of
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  Speaker 1: his pants and the slipper of a bat. But the
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  Speaker 1: one of ones are just gonna be stuper super crisp,
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  Speaker 1: really great patches, and so those are huge cases as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the only I do want to call it one
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  Speaker 2: o these I just saw it here, the real one
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  Speaker 2: real one dual autographs. I think it's just a hilarious checklist.
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  Speaker 2: There's only eight cards, just like George Brett and Robin Yant, Culton,
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  Speaker 2: Cayles n and Jordan Westbrook. Then you have Zach Geloff
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  Speaker 2: and Tyler Solderstrom. Yeah, like, how terrible do you feel
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  Speaker 2: like I pulled a real one duel auto and then
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  Speaker 2: you pulled get off the Solderstrom when it could have
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  Speaker 2: been Reggie Jackson and Mike Schmidt, Like what a buzzkill
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  Speaker 2: on that one. So it's fun. Heritage is fun. I
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  Speaker 2: know we kind of who put it on at the
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: beginning of this official term, but it's the price points
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  Speaker 2: a little rough, especially the secondary market. It is kind
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: of a feast for fame and product. But it is
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  Speaker 2: fun when you do hit that feast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean think it's more just like a
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  Speaker 1: warning that like if the price point was eighty or
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  Speaker 1: ninety bucks the way that it usually you know, has
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  Speaker 1: face valued for and if you got in on that
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  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars pre order from tops, amazing. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that's great. I think this is a great product
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  Speaker 1: to rip at that price. Don't spend twohundred dollars on
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  Speaker 1: one of these hobby boxes, please please do not. And
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  Speaker 1: be careful with the breaks on this product too, because
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: same sort of things like there aren't like special jumbo
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  Speaker 1: boxes or breakers boxes or anything at this The hobby
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  Speaker 1: boxes are tough on heritage just across the board. And
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  Speaker 1: so like if you get into brakes on it, you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to be able to find anything that kind
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  Speaker 1: of steers you towards really chasing the bigger cards. You're
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  Speaker 1: just in the same lottery that everybody else is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ye best if you if you get in a
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  Speaker 2: break with a case, you're probably seeing two autos out
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  Speaker 2: of the entire case of probably I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: a case would be, maybe ten ten hobby boxes, ten
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  Speaker 2: to twelve hobby boxes.
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