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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 9-16-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 4: about on the show today. Mammoth training camp opening. Very
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  Speaker 4: excited about that. Bill Armstrong reporting no injuries to open
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  Speaker 4: training camp, which is good. You get a decent assessment
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  Speaker 4: of where all these players are at. We are two
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  Speaker 4: weeks away, effectively. Two weeks from tomorrow, the Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 4: play their home opener against the Chicago Blackhawks. You've got
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  Speaker 4: preseason hockey this weekend. If you're a Mammoth fan that's
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  Speaker 4: been champing at the bit and you've been waiting for
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  Speaker 4: the return of NHL hockey here in the market, You
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  Speaker 4: don't have to wait much longer. And what a glorious
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  Speaker 4: season it is when you've got college football happening, NFL
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  Speaker 4: football happening, approaching the Major League Baseball playoffs, and hockey
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  Speaker 4: gets rolling, and, of course, basketball, NBA basketball, at least
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  Speaker 4: right on the heels of that, college basketball around the
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  Speaker 4: corner as well. We're hurtling forward now as sports fans,
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  Speaker 4: to be here with you. getting you ready for a
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  Speaker 4: Utah State versus Utah football game this weekend. The forecast
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  Speaker 4: is a chance of rain, 35% chance of rain, but
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  Speaker 4: temperatures should still be friendly enough that, you know, throw
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  Speaker 4: on a poncho and get yourself out there at a
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  Speaker 4: Rice-Eccles Stadium. The thing is, and I've said this many,
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  Speaker 4: many times on the show, the problem with having a
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  Speaker 4: reputation is you've got to live up to it every
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  Speaker 4: damn day, and that goes for Utah football fans as well.
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  Speaker 4: You can't pat yourself on the back and talk about
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  Speaker 4: how great the atmosphere was for a night game as
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  Speaker 4: Rice Echols against an SEC squad in Arkansas and then
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  Speaker 4: not show up against Utah State for the Battle of
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  Speaker 4: the Brothers. You've got to be there for all of them.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to treat them all the same like you
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  Speaker 4: expect the players and the coaches to treat them all
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  Speaker 4: the same. So get out there as quickly as you can,
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  Speaker 4: fill up the stadium, and enjoy it. Zane Beatles, part
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  Speaker 4: of the Hall of Fame class that's going to be
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  Speaker 4: inducted this weekend. You had Eric Weddle in the Ring
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  Speaker 4: of Honor, and now you've got a Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 4: Utah Crimson Athletics Hall of Fame class going in this
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  Speaker 4: weekend against Utah State.
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  Speaker 5: I want to talk playmakers today.
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  Speaker 4: I put a poll question out already at RealOCSports on
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  Speaker 4: the Twitter machine. Who is this year's defensive playmaker? I
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  Speaker 4: know we're only two games in, right? But who is
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  Speaker 4: the guy that you trust... to come away with the
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  Speaker 4: Havoc play? Who's the guy on this defense that by
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  Speaker 4: the end of the year we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 4: about the same way we talked about Chase Hanson and
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  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd and Gianni Paul and Cole Bishop and maybe
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  Speaker 4: Clark Phillips? Going all the way back, the Paul Krugers
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  Speaker 4: of the world, right? The guys that made the plays.
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  Speaker 4: Not that we're just in a position, not that just
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  Speaker 4: racked up a bunch of tackles. I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 4: guys that showed up on the highlight reel. That's something
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  Speaker 4: that I'm kind of fascinated by with this Utah football
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  Speaker 4: team right now because, I mean, Jackson Benny has the interception.
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  Speaker 4: You've had a couple of big plays from Jaimoah in the,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he looked really, really good against Arkansas. They're
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  Speaker 4: playing sound fundamental defense. The tackling, oh, praise be, the
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  Speaker 4: tackling for this Utah football team is kind of where
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  Speaker 4: you need it to be at the beginning of the season.
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  Speaker 4: We are We are not used to that. It has
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  Speaker 4: not been the case as of late. The tackling, and
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  Speaker 4: knock on wood as I say it, tackling has been really,
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  Speaker 4: really good. However, the finishing of those big-time plays, you
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  Speaker 4: haven't had quite the finishing ability that you need from
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  Speaker 4: your pass rushers, for example. I've already lamented, I've already
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  Speaker 4: talked about the fact that... Like, Baylor right now has
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  Speaker 4: nine sacks through a couple of games. West Virginia's got seven.
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  Speaker 4: Arizona's got seven. Iowa State and Colorado have six. Utah
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  Speaker 4: is in that log jam at five where Houston, Kansas State,
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  Speaker 4: Texas Tech, Utah, and TCU and Cincinnati all have five sacks.
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  Speaker 4: BYU's only got four sacks so far. And, again, all
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  Speaker 4: this stuff comes out in the wash. I'm using sacks
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  Speaker 4: as an example because they're one of the big, you know,
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  Speaker 4: really glom onto. This is supposed to be Sack Lake City.
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  Speaker 4: You need a defensive end to step up. I think
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  Speaker 4: that will happen sooner than later. I hope that will
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  Speaker 4: happen sooner than later for this Utah football team. But
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  Speaker 4: when you go back and you watch it, I rewatched Arkansas.
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  Speaker 4: Thank goodness for YouTube. You can rewatch these games in
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  Speaker 4: 60 minutes or so. And in the rewatch, there are
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  Speaker 4: so many plays that were almost... Remember last week or
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  Speaker 4: the week before when I was ranting about how good
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  Speaker 4: is the enemy of great? You had really good plays
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  Speaker 4: on this defense. Great plays result in turnovers. Great plays
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  Speaker 4: end up knocking another player out of the game for
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  Speaker 4: a quarter or so. Great plays end up swinging the
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  Speaker 4: momentum in the favor of your team. Great plays translate
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  Speaker 4: to points on the board off those turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: And even if they don't do any of those things,
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  Speaker 4: they take the ball away. They stop the momentum. They
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  Speaker 4: halt the ability of the opposition to keep a drive going.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's something that this team, they need to
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  Speaker 4: finish just a little bit better. Go back and watch.
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  Speaker 4: Go back and watch the Arkansas game. Jackson Benny could have,
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  Speaker 4: maybe should have had a second interception. He got the one.
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  Speaker 4: He probably should have had a second. All right? Should
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  Speaker 4: have an alt. The touchdown that Arkansas scored late in
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  Speaker 4: the game, bounced off his chest, right? There was, Elijah
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  Speaker 4: Reed probably could have had an interception in this game.
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  Speaker 4: This could have been a four-interception game for the University
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  Speaker 4: of Utah. The guys were there. They're in the position.
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  Speaker 4: The hand is on the ball. The body's in the
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  Speaker 4: right position. And they just can't make the play for
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  Speaker 4: whatever reason. And I'm nitpicking because this is an undefeated
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  Speaker 4: team right now. They're 2-0 through a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: They look like we thought they were supposed to look.
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  Speaker 4: but they could look that much better. And the difference
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  Speaker 4: between making that play and not making the play is
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  Speaker 4: going to be a game decider at some point during
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  Speaker 4: the season. Maybe it's against Houston. Maybe it's against BYU.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it's against Utah State this weekend. Talking to some
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  Speaker 4: people in the Aggies sphere, that squad is fired up.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of There's a lot of, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say, Venom is maybe the wrong way to
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  Speaker 4: put it, but there's a lot of, like, you owe us.
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  Speaker 4: You don't realize how hard we have to work to
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  Speaker 4: get to where you are. You guys have the silver spoon,
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  Speaker 4: and we're the ones up here in Logan just trying
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  Speaker 4: to grind in order to earn these wins. There's a really, like,
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  Speaker 4: the big brother, little brother dynamic is something that the
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  Speaker 4: fan base likes to throw around. And people like to
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  Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, needle each other with that.
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  Speaker 4: But there's a genuine sense of injustice from the... lower
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  Speaker 4: level teams, the group of six teams versus the power
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  Speaker 4: four teams right now. Like you have no idea how
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  Speaker 4: ridiculous it is, how unfair it is, how unbalanced it
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  Speaker 4: is that our best players, the guys that we develop,
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  Speaker 4: the guys on this coaching staff put in just as
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  Speaker 4: much work as you do And because we don't have
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  Speaker 4: the same resources, we can't get the same outcomes. But
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  Speaker 4: we've seen it, right? I mean, Western Michigan effectively beat Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: I would say that the gap between Western Michigan and
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  Speaker 4: Michigan from a talent and certainly from a spending standpoint
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  Speaker 4: is far greater than the gap between Utah State and Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Look no further than how many guys from Western Michigan
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  Speaker 4: end up transferring and finishing their careers At Michigan. It's
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  Speaker 4: not a pipeline, right? Yeah, there's guys from the MAC
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  Speaker 4: that end up transferring up, but that's not how it
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  Speaker 4: typically goes. Utah has buttered some bread with Aggies. There's
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  Speaker 4: guys that have outperformed their expectations in Logan, and they've
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  Speaker 4: ended up in Salt Lake City. There's guys that have
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  Speaker 4: been really quality players in Salt Lake City that end
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  Speaker 4: up in Logan and finish and be starters, like full-time
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  Speaker 4: starters there. I'm thinking of the Bryson Barnes's of the world, right?
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  Speaker 4: And then there's the incestuous nature of the coaching community
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  Speaker 4: here in the state of Utah where, I mean, everyone
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  Speaker 4: has a stop between BYU, Utah, Utah State. You almost
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  Speaker 4: have to check those boxes. Bronco Mendenhall's been at BYU
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  Speaker 4: and at Utah State, right? Devin Dampier played for Bronco Mendenhall.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin McGibbon coached under Bronco Mendenhall. I mean, there's all
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  Speaker 4: this familiarity, right? The playmakers... on this Utah football team,
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  Speaker 4: have to emerge.
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  Speaker 3: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me who you think those guys are on this
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  Speaker 4: year's team. Tell me who you think. And again, there's
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  Speaker 4: nobody who you can put in that category as of
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  Speaker 4: yet from like, oh, that's the game breaker. That's our guy.
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  Speaker 4: That is our havoc master. Because it's only a two-game
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  Speaker 4: sample size, right? We're taking an audit of a season
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  Speaker 4: one-sixth of the way through. Hopefully not full one-sixth because
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  Speaker 4: if you make it into a college football playoff, the
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  Speaker 4: fraction gets smaller. But who are the guys that you
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  Speaker 4: trust to come away and finish the play?
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  Speaker 5: We love Lance Holtzclaw, right?
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  Speaker 4: Lance Holtzclaw in back-to-back games has been right there to
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  Speaker 4: make the plays and has not 100% made the plays.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't had the tackles for losses. He hasn't had
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  Speaker 4: the sacks. Not because he didn't beat the blocker. Not
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  Speaker 4: because he's not athletic enough. Not because of anything that
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  Speaker 4: is a deficiency. It's because he just hasn't made them
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  Speaker 4: just yet. Mike Dawson on the text line says, Havoc plays,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Probably Jai. Jai Moy was awesome. He'll
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  Speaker 4: probably be the consistent Havoc play guy, but defensive playmaker.
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  Speaker 4: Consistent right place shirt tackler, that's Nate Ritchie. Look, those
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  Speaker 4: guys are equally important. Those guys might be more important.
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  Speaker 4: Nate Ritchie might be the most important player on this
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  Speaker 4: defense if indeed that's the role he plays. And maybe
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  Speaker 4: it's John Uhal that plays that role. When you have
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  Speaker 4: a Gianni Paul, you have to have a Jared Norris.
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  Speaker 4: When you have a Chase Hanson, you have to have
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  Speaker 4: a Cody Barton. When you have a Stevenson Sylvester, you
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  Speaker 4: have to have a Mike Wright. Sly was the dude
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  Speaker 4: that everyone paid attention to. Mike Wright was the leading tackler, right?
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  Speaker 4: The consistent, reliable, everyday performer. And it's guesswork right now.
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  Speaker 4: Nate Ritchie, I think, is showing some glimpses of playing
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  Speaker 4: himself out of that. It's not an insulting thing. I
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  Speaker 4: want to make sure this is not skewed in any
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  Speaker 4: kind of pejorative tense. To be that reliable, consistent playmaker
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  Speaker 4: is massive, is an honorific, is something, if you are
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  Speaker 4: that guy, you are, I mean, you're a bona fide starter. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 4: you're a good earner. You should make some money being
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  Speaker 4: that guy in any defense.
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  Speaker 5: Or in any offense.
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  Speaker 4: But the playmakers, the highlight producers, those are the guys
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  Speaker 4: that draw the headlines. Those are the guys that get
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  Speaker 4: the all-conference nods because it's the thing that separates you
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  Speaker 4: And separates your team sometimes from mediocrity and greatness. From
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  Speaker 4: a close.
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  Speaker 5: Game and a blowout.
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  Speaker 4: From a win and a loss in what would otherwise
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  Speaker 4: be a close game. And I think the playmakers are
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  Speaker 4: most important when we're talking about the way that they
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  Speaker 4: negate the playmakers on an offense. Because every offense in
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  Speaker 4: college football has them. Every single offense that Utah is
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  Speaker 4: going to face this year has a guy or a
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  Speaker 4: couple of guys that the offense is leaning on to
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  Speaker 4: be the explosive playmaker, to be the guy that takes
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  Speaker 4: the top off the defense, to be the guy who
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  Speaker 4: runs through a tackle and makes somebody miss and scores
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  Speaker 4: a touchdown because of it, right? To balance that out,
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  Speaker 4: you have to have a guy that erases those points
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  Speaker 4: off the board, that erases that big play, that shock ability.
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  Speaker 5: From an offense. And it's not like a one-for-one, right?
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  Speaker 4: Your best defensive tackle isn't necessarily going to make the
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  Speaker 4: best playmaker on an opposing team, that running back. You're
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  Speaker 4: not going to force a fumble necessarily against that particular individual,
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  Speaker 4: but you're going to take a possession away, and thereby
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  Speaker 4: that individual is not going to find the end zone
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  Speaker 4: on that drive. I don't need to explain to all
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  Speaker 4: of you out there listening what I mean by playmakers,
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  Speaker 4: but there is a notable difference between good, even excellent players.
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  Speaker 4: And the guys that you just know are going to
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  Speaker 4: come up with the big play. You just know are
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  Speaker 4: going to create a problem for an offense, create a turnover,
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  Speaker 4: create a havoc play, create a drive killer.
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  Speaker 1: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 4: Alex says.
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  Speaker 4: Nate Johnson is going to break some games open. I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking about the defense. I'll listen to you offensively, sure.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about the defense, though, because in the rewatch,
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  Speaker 4: I was watching the defense, and Colton Swan's defense has
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  Speaker 4: looked good so far, not great. I'm going to be
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  Speaker 4: extra nitpicky because, you know, I think that we've all
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  Speaker 4: established that defense has won this Utah football team championships
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  Speaker 4: in the past. At the conference level right now, and again,
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  Speaker 4: it's all going to come out in the wash, but
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  Speaker 4: Utah right now is tied with BYU giving up 12
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  Speaker 4: points a game. It's a good number. Kansas State currently
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  Speaker 4: at the top. Remember, this is all relative to your competition.
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  Speaker 4: Who have you played so far? It goes Kansas State, UCF, Baylor, TCU,
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  Speaker 4: and then BYU and Utah are both giving up 12
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  Speaker 4: points a game right now. Great. Wonderful. Utah's given up
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  Speaker 4: three touchdowns. BYU's given up three touchdowns. Kansas State has
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  Speaker 4: only surrendered a touchdown to the competition so far. Kansas
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  Speaker 4: State looks like they might be a pretty good team.
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  Speaker 4: Oklahoma State has the most impressive win. They're the worst
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  Speaker 4: scoring defense in the conference right now. They've got the
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  Speaker 4: most impressive win. These numbers are not telling you the
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  Speaker 4: same story that they will be telling you in week
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  Speaker 4: six and in week nine and in week 12. But
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  Speaker 4: if you go down to things like turnover margins, BYU
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  Speaker 4: is at the top of the turnover margin right now.
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  Speaker 4: They're taking care of the football, and they have created
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  Speaker 4: five turnovers. They've got four interceptions already this year. Utah's
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  Speaker 4: got one fumble recovery. They've got two interceptions. BYU at
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  Speaker 4: the top, Cincinnati, West Virginia, TCU, Iowa State, Utah, all
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  Speaker 4: in that log jam. Texas Tech, who was so good
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  Speaker 4: at this last year. Texas Tech overpowered. right now has
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  Speaker 4: created two turnovers in two games. Texas Tech last year created,
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  Speaker 4: let's see what they did last year. Texas Tech last
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  Speaker 4: year created 17, excuse me, 32, 32 turnovers. Top in
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  Speaker 4: the conference. Utah created 18 turnovers last year.
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  Speaker 5: So, You're on pace to beat what you did last year.
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  Speaker 4: Knock on wood. It's great news. But there's a reason
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  Speaker 4: why teams like Texas Tech ended up in the college
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  Speaker 4: football playoff. 32 turnovers. BYU had forced 22 turnovers. Kansas
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  Speaker 4: State last year had 26 turnovers. That's what I'm looking
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  Speaker 4: for defensively. Who are those guys that you know are
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  Speaker 4: not just going to make the tackle, be in the position,
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  Speaker 4: not get juked out of their jock, not get victimized
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  Speaker 4: by a spin move, who are the people that are
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  Speaker 4: going to make the big play? Who are going to
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  Speaker 4: be on the defensive highlight reel? Jackson Benny's name has
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  Speaker 4: come in a couple of times so far. Jackson Benny
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  Speaker 4: is the guy that has made those plays so far
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  Speaker 4: for this University of Utah football team. The difference, and
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  Speaker 4: we'll talk about this with Coach Swan when he joins
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  Speaker 4: us in Coordinator's Corner on Friday. I should have gone
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: up to practice yesterday and had that conversation conversation. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: should have asked Sly when he was on the show yesterday.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: The difference between making that big play and just kind
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of like being there in the position instead of like
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: forcing the fumble, you just make the tackle. Instead of
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: tipping the ball and batting it down, you pick that
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: thing and maybe you run it back for a big game,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: maybe even a touchdown. I got to be honest. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: don't know what it's like to be that guy that
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: makes those plays. Going all the way back to Little League,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: that wasn't me. At my very best version of football,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I was the guy that was kind of the reliable,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: not going to miss it, not going to screw it up,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: going to lead your team in tackles, but not going
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: to lead your team in interceptions or forced fumbles or
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: anything else like that. Not going to be the sack guy.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: So I don't know exactly what it takes, what separates...
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: the Gianni Pauls from the Jared Norrises. Great players, both
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: of them. One of them, though, has that instinct, has
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: that next thing, has that extra havoc ability. And I
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: think Sly and Mike Wright are probably the best example
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I can give here where you're like, okay, one of
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: those guys is maybe your home run hitter. It's the
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Cody Barton, Chase Hanson thing as well. Chase Hanson was
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: the home run hitter. Cody Barton, by the time he
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: was a senior, he never struck out. He didn't miss plays.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Jacob on the Twitter line says, one, John Uhal, two,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Jackson Benny, three, Nate Ritchie. Look, have you got three
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: guys that are doing that on this defense? Two defensive
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: backs and a linebacker? We're talking about a team that
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: can really create some problems defensively. If you win the
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: turnover margin on a consistent basis and you hand the
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: ball back to Devin Dampier, Bert Ficklin, Kevin McGiven, if
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: you give them the ball back on short fields, goodness gracious,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: things are going to get ugly for the opposition. Cade
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: on the text line says it's Trey Reynolds. He'll continue
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: our pick six streak next week. Book it. I like
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: that prediction. Cade, if that's correct, we're going to have
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: to find a way to give you some type of prize.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: At least they'll give you some taffy town taffy or something.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Eric Anderson says it's Jackson Benny. The long shot is
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Nate Ritchie based on how he played last week. Nate
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: is like, he's flirting with something. Whether it's increased health,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: increased confidence, just more time to get comfortable with his
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: teammates and with Colton Swan, maybe translates a little bit
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: better for him than Morgan Scali does. I don't know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: but Nate Ritchie's flirting with something right now. I could
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: see him being, even though he's already an established product,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I could see him being like a A breakout player.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: We'll see how it plays out. We've got a fun
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: show lined up for you today. Dan Sorensen is going
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: to join us next. I'll pass this question on to him.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: A little Ute Zone Wednesday action for you. Jack McBain, yes.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Jack McBain of the Utah Mammoth is going to join
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: us in the 1 o'clock hour. What a treat that
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: we'll be able to speak with a Utah Mammoth center
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: forward that Hopefully will continue to beat people up on
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: the ice and also give us some great highlights of
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: his own to watch this year as the Utah Mammoth
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: start their season in 15 days. We are two weeks
• 23:23
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• 23:27
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• 24:12
  Speaker 4: So, you know, we've talked about this in the past
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• 25:33
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• 25:38
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's what I thought.
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  Speaker 5: Great start to the season for us.
• 26:25
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• 26:25
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  Speaker 4: It is a Ute Zone Wednesday here on the show,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: which means we check in with the folks from Ute Zone.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Dan Sorensen, kind enough to give us some time today. Dan,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: welcome back to the show. How are you?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Doing well.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I'm doing great, man. It was awesome to be out
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: there on Saturday night to see you hang out at
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the game a little bit, to meet your better half.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: That was lovely.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: And obviously a big Utah win over Arkansas. What was
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the biggest takeaway for you from that game?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Biggest takeaway for me was just how impressive it was
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to see this team show up against a team with
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: size and with strong athletes. Look, Arkansas is not a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: good football team, despite the SEC affiliation. That does not
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: mean that they don't have good players and good athletes. And,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you know, Coach Scali, he talked about it in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: pretty much every media availability he's had since the game,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: but talking about the offensive line and the defensive line
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: in particular and what a strong job that they did.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I think that the grades played out. Jai Moy is
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: becoming a national star just for no other reason than
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the fact that that spin move went viral on X.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But just seeing this team go out, compete with better athletes,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: blow them out of the water, and they were playing harder.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Look at all the pass defenses, or passes defended, the cornerbacks,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: how tight the coverage was, the tackling and how that's
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: improved from a season ago. Nate Ritchie is a revelation
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in the sense of him getting in there and sticking
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: his nose in it and and finishing tackles. And he's,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: he's proven to be the player that Utah always thought
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: he could be. So just those types of things were
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the things that really showed up. I know Arkansas is
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: not good. Do we really know who this Utah team
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: is yet? Probably not. It's we're going to need to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: see a road game or two before we get their
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: full identity. But There's an awful lot to like, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: when you've got an SEC team coming to your house
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and you beat them 43-10 and you make some poor
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: old lady swear off her lifelong love on sports radio
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: in the South, you've done good things.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I wish we got 877-353-0700 in the next segment if
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: you want to call in with a Southern accent and
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: the amount of passion that we got going viral across
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: the internet this week. Please, you're more than welcome here
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: on the Sean O'Connell Show. So 2-0, obviously this team
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: has shown some really good things, but let's be reasonable,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: let's be fair. It hasn't all been perfect. What is
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: the largest remaining concern for Dan Sorensen?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: A couple of things. I would like to see a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: little bit more cohesion on the offensive line, especially when
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it comes to run blocking. They've been outstanding in pass protection.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: They've given up the one sack. They're pretty limited on
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the pressures that they're giving up. Devin Dampier is definitely
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: helping out a lot in that department. But when you see,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: we're seeing amazing things, especially from a formation and an
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: interesting team. Play personnel groupings and things like that. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: think the option game is going to be really, really
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: solid all year long. But when you really need to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: line up and get a yard or two, when you
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: need to just play traditional smash mouth football, I think
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that we still need to see. some more growth and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: cohesiveness on that offensive line. The other thing that I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: think that we need to see is really at the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: defensive tackle spot. Look, Moe and Kafusi look like potential stars,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: if not this year, certainly next year. And they can
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: both be really, really special defensive tackles amongst the best
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that the Utes have had. And that's saying a lot
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: given the fact of the guys that we've rolled through
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that program. My biggest concern with that group is Who
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: are the number three and the number four guys? Mike
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Tatioli has been a big part of that rotation, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: it's great to see him getting on the field. He's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: had some really solid moments, but I think we need
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to see more consistency from him, from a guy like
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Lucas Samsula. But getting that rotation a little bit tighter,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to the run defense, that's what's
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: going to be the difference maker for this team. you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the question still on the line, but that's where you
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: win football games. If you can be the physical team
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: that can dominate and, and show your assertiveness and then
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: impose your will on the other team, like you're going
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to win and you're going to win pretty much every time.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And we've seen what we need to see. I think
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: out of the skill positions, we've seen what we need
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to see out of the cornerbacks. I love the back
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: seven of this defense. And so if, if defensive tackle,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: if they can shore that up and, and, To a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: lesser extent, the defensive ends, look, they're getting tons of pressure.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Lance Holtzclaw is top 10 in the nation in pressures,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: but there's not a sack yet for the end. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I know that that room knows it. And so seeing
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: those guys get home and get a quarterback down, we
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: need to see more of that as well. But look,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: they're well on their way. I don't think that this
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: team is even close to playing its best football of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the season. And it's going to be fun to watch
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: them develop week to week.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out that thing that you just
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: alluded to, the difference between being there to make the
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: play and actually finishing the play. Utah could have come
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: away from the Arkansas game with at least four picks
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: if you just caught some balls on the defensive side.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Like, it was wild.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Jackson Benny could have easily had two picks in the
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: game instead of just the one. Chenault had one go
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: right off his chest, right? I mean, there's examples of this.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: And you just brought up Lance Holtzclaw, who has got
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: a great pressure rate right now but no sacks. I
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: was walking behind him exiting the stadium the other night
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: after the press conferences, and I think he was with
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: his parents. Forgive me, Lance Holtzclaw and the Holtzclaw family.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's who. But, you know, he was
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: describing the play in which he was, like, literally right there,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: off a spin move to make a sack and just,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: you know, credit to the Arkansas quarterback. He scooted out
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: and avoided the pressure and things like that. There are
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: guys that we have seen come through this Utah football
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: program that never miss a tackle, but they don't make
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: the big sacks either.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: They don't intercept the ball. They don't force the fumbles.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: They're not that guy, right? They're the reliable, mistake-free type
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: football players. And then there's the guys that are the
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: habit players, that are the guys that do finish that sack,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: that do force that fumble, that come down with the
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: interception or tip the ball that ends up being an interception.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: And those guys end up being the legends, the all-conference individuals, etc.,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Where is the line, Dan? How do those guys cross
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: that line? Where you're there, you make the play, or
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: you're there and you almost get it. Maybe it ends
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: up being a tackle for no gain, but you didn't
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: quite get the tackle for a loss kind of a thing.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: You understand what I'm saying?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I understand exactly what you're saying, and I think that
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: when we're talking about questions for this Utah football team,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that is a really valid one, especially on the defense,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: because what we've seen through two weeks is we've seen
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of really solid guys doing their job. Scali
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: talks a lot about... owning your 10 square yards of responsibility.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: And we're seeing a.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Lot of that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: And even, you know, Scali, when you talk about sacks, he, he,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: he doesn't necessarily care about the sack. He wants the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: play disrupted, but at the end of the day, the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: sack is the best thing possible because not only did
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: they lose the down, but they lose the yardage as well.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It just, it puts more pressure on the offense. When
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you talk about who those guys are, I look, who
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: are the havoc guys? Um, Moe is a guy that
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I think has absolutely proven that he's a habit guy.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: He reminds me of the football equivalent of those old
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: insurance commercials with the mayhem guy that caused all the chaos.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: He does it in his tiny frame, tiny, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: five foot frame. 10, 6 foot, whatever he is, and 280, 290,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: he's causing as much chaos as I've seen a defensive
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: tackle cause in a long time. And so he's absolutely
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: a have it guy. But you do need more guys
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to step up. I think John O'Hall, he's been playing really,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: really good football the first two weeks. I'm waiting for
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: him to step up and be that guy that'll pick
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: off the ball and house it, that'll do that. I
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: think Scooby Davis has a chance to be that guy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: He was so good against Arkansas in the coverage, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: he didn't have the pick go through his hands. He
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: had a couple of pass breakups, and he's playing aggressively.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: He's got it in him, and I know he's got
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that dog in him, but to your point, it's got to.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: They've got to find a way to get it to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: come out when the lights are on and make the
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: big transitional play. I don't know who that guy is
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: just yet. I think that they'll emerge in the next
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: two to three games. Utah State, look, maybe they take
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: it out on Utah State. This offense of Utah State
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: is not exactly a juggernaut, so getting some confidence in
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: some big plays like that. would be a good thing
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that they can take to Iowa State and beyond. But, yeah,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: it is definitely a need. This is a good defense.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: If they want to be great, they need the Jonos
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of the world to step up, the Lances and the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Ethan Days of the world to start getting home and
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: really making life exceptionally hard on those offenses.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Dan Sorensen from Ute Zone is our guest here on
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the Sean O'Connell Show talking all things Utah. This Utah
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: State matchup is really interesting because I think the Aggies
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: are solid defensively. I think they've got a lot of
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: problems on their offense. It's not a lack of skill.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I think for the most part it's shaky quarterback play.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Can't really figure out what to make of their line
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: yet because you played horribly against Iowa State. Played pretty
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: well against Washington, but still ended up dropping that one.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: As you've taken a dive into the Aggies game, where
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of familiarity, obviously.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: What do you make of Utah State?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the schizophrenic team, absolutely. The opener against Idaho State
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is just something that never should happen in Logan. Look,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for Bronco Mendenhall as
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: a coach. I think he gets.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: As much out of the talent level that he has
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: as anybody in the country. I think he's a smart
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: defensive coach. It's no surprise that the Aggie defense played
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Washington tough. And I do think Washington showed up and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: just thought that by virtue of showing up in the building,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: they were going to walk away with the win. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it bit them in the butt. And Utah cannot afford
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to do that. Look, this is a rivalry game. These
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Utah State guys do not Like the fact that they're
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: taking a backseat to the other programs in the state
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and they're going to try to take it out on
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the youth and they should. And so Utah needs to
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: be prepared and they need, look, they're vastly more talented
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: than the Aggies, but Utah needs to be prepared and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: they need to be prepared to take a punch. to
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the mouth and to deliver in kind. But yeah, I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: think that I don't love the Utah State offense. So
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: we don't know who's going to start at quarterback. You know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: there's the potential injury issue, but they've They've turned the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: ball over a lot. They're not super effective in the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: run game just yet. They do have a couple of
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: guys at wide receiver that can make plays, so you
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: can't sleep on them, but it's that defense that's going
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to keep them in the game, and they're disciplined, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: they're not overly talented, but they run that scheme really well,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of a weird kooky scheme that that
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: bronco he's ran for for years but he does you
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: know make those tweaks to it so this is going
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to be another test for the utah offensive line especially
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: as as they're communicating and but if the youth don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: turn the ball over if they stay disciplined on penalties
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: or they should walk away with this game i any
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: any other results it would be highly concerning.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: When you take a look at the kind of overarching
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Big 12 conference, the power structure of the Big 12 conference,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: we're very, very early in the process, obviously, of figuring
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: out who's who. I'm ready to say that for now,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: BYU and Utah have been the most impressive. They're the
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: two best. Kansas State deserves to be in a conversation
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: that we weren't putting them in before the season started
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: based on what we know so far. Colorado's a lot
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: better than I thought. They've looked a lot better than
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I thought they would look. Oklahoma State, you just talked
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: about the schizophrenia, the bipolar nature of what we've seen
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: from Utah State. Lose to Tulsa, beat Oregon. Who had
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: that on the bingo card? When you're handicapping the Big
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: 12 through two weeks, heading into week three, how do
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: you see it?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the state of Utah. Look, BYU and
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Utah fans aren't going to.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Like hearing it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: This BYU team is really, really good, and they're going to.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Be a tough out for everybody.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And they're well-coached, and they're bought into what Kalani's selling.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: And so that Holy War game in November is going
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: to loom really large and might be for the conference
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: title if– if things continue on the way that we've
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: seen them. But yeah, the Utes and BYU, I think,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: have been the two most impressive teams. Like you, I'm
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: shocked that Colorado is where they're at. Their defense especially
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: has been good. I don't think that their offense is...
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: is particularly special or impressive by any means. And they
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: might get better as the season goes on, but they'll
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: get exposed at some point. I'm curious about Houston. I
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: do think that, look, there's a lot of talent. They're
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: better than they were last year, in my opinion. And we'll,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll know a lot about that either with
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Houston and Texas tech is coming up this weekend, but
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Texas tech hasn't been as dominant as their
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: payroll would suggest. It should be, and that game is
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: going to loom large in terms of what the conference
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: will look like and.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Should look like.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: But it's going to be, at the end of the day,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's Utah, BYU, Texas Tech, potentially Houston, especially
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: depending on how they perform in Salt Lake City in
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: a few weeks. And, yeah, K-State's probably that outlier. The
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: team that, like Arizona State a couple years ago, came
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere and did something. And those are the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: teams that are at the top of my radar. That's,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: of course, going to change as the games get played
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and teams drop games, especially games that maybe they shouldn't.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: But, yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: We haven't seen Utah get tested yet. I'm excited to
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: see when that happens, how they respond, how they respond
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: to adversity. And, you know, that's where culture kicks in.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: And hopefully with the culture that Scali is implementing, the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: youths respond, and they're going to be in it until
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the very end.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: We need to come up with, like, I don't know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: a catchy name. for this two quarterback system that the
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Utes are running. Uh, I mean, it is truly unique
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: and not just because of the X's and O's, but
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: the relationship that Bird and Devin have with one another in,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: in the modern era of college football, the unselfish nature
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: of that whole thing is, is really, I mean, it's,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: it's refreshing, honestly, uh, because we, we get jaded to like, oh,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: this guy is just looking out for number one and
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: it's all about money for him and this and that. And,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: these guys just want to win football games and they're
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: willing to, you know, give up touches to the other guy,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: or they're willing to let some of the glory be shared.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, there's, there's not even a personnel package,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: like a proper name for, for the two quarterback thing.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: We got to come up with something, Dan.
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: We do.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I I'm, I'm brainstorming now. We'll have to, we'll have
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to outsource it. We'll, we'll, we'll bring it up on,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: on Twitter or something, but yeah, I, it's, astounding to
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: me I've never seen it look I've covered college football
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: for more than 20 years at this point I've never
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: seen anything close to what this looks like now people
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: talk about like Tebow and and and Chris Leak back
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: in the day playing the two quarterback thing at Florida
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't like this and to your point about
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the relationship the the the lack of selfishness the the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: excitement for other guys and and and really going to
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: bat for for your teammates I I Coach Scali talked
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: about it the other day, talking about the fact that,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of... And not just the quarterbacks,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: but the wide receiver room, I think, is what he
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: was talking about, where.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Not a lot of me guys.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: You can either go somewhere else and be the guy,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: or you can come here and do something and be something,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you know, as a collective. And they've really got the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: guys to buy into that. You know, what it can
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: be called, like, I.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: We need a purple people eater, fearsome foursome type nickname
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: for it because it merits it. And frankly, I don't
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: think we've seen anything yet. We've just seen little tiny
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: bits and pieces.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Of what they can do.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: But there's going to be a lot of special football
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and some exciting things, especially with those two guys on
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I just want to bring up Weishan for the sake
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: of bringing up Weishan because through two games– The headliner is, wow,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: two quarterbacks, Devin and Bird, crazy offense. Way Sean Parker
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: is playing an unbelievable brand of football right now.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, without question. Leading the NCAA in touchdowns with six.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: He should have seven. Well, maybe not, but he was
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: pretty close to seven against Arkansas. And really, yeah, the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: things that he's doing, both in the running game and
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: as a receiver, I... I don't know that I've ever
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: seen a back be that way. Like, look, it's not
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: weird to have a twitchy back. That's good coming out
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: of the backfield and, and, and catching balls. But way
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Sean's got the body control in the hands of a
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. And he, and he's got the bulk of a,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: of a, the bell cow running back. And, and, He
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: hasn't broken one yet, and that's the crazy thing to
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: me because he's capable of being a home run threat
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: every time he touches the ball. He hasn't broken a
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: long run yet, and I'm waiting for that to happen
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: because he's more than capable of it, but he's playing
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: great football. You talk to people in the program, and
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of NFL scouts that are around
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: this team taking a look at what these guys do.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: potential are to offer and and way Sean is the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: number one guy that everybody's coming to look like look
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: at right now and the fact that he's young the
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: fact that frankly he doesn't have a lot of workload
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: on his body he only averaged 12 touches a game
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: last year and he's averaging like 14 or 15 this
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: year So it's not even like he's carrying this massive
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: load where he's touching the ball 20 to 30 times
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: a game to pile up the yardage. He's doing this
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: in limited touches. He's doing it in style. And then
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: he walks off the field with that giant Wayshon Parker
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: blinged-out necklace and makes him one of my favorite guys
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: on the team. He's got a personality. He's a cool personality.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: It's not just... he's not arrogant he's just fun so
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: like we're the hashtag team fun place and he fits
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: in with that 100 i cannot wait to see everything
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: that he accomplishes this year uh.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Some early entries in the cool slash clever nickname for
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: the two quarterback system coming in on the text line
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: this is from charles says my first thought was double
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: barrel shotgun but since they're not always in the shotgun
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: how about double dragon Double Dragon for all of us
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: old enough to have played the amazing Double Dragon video games.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: That's the current leader in the clubhouse for me, Dan.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: That takes me back to Peter Piper pizza back in
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the day and dropping quarters. Look, I'm an old guy.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I can say that. I approve.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Love it. Keep the ideas coming in 877-353-0700. Dan, always
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: appreciate your time. We'll see you up there on Saturday.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thanks for having me on, and I can't wait
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: to see what they're able to do.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, wait, wait, before I let you go, any continuing specials,
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  Speaker 5: Great stuff, Dan. Thanks for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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• 53:51
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• 53:55
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• 53:59
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• 54:03
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• 54:05
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• 54:07
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• 54:24
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• 54:27
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  Speaker 4: City or call 801-313-1234. All right, we put out a
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: question for you, and this is getting kind of fun.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: What are we going to call the two-quarterback package that
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: the University of Utah keeps using? Devin Dampier, Bird Ficklin
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: out on the field together. We've got some great suggestions
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: so far, some of them specific to not just the
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: two quarterbacks, but who else is out there? This is
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: from 6629.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: For the crazy.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: 2QB and 2 running back package, Spida and His Amazing Friends.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: If you are a parent who has small children, you
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: know there's a great cartoon out there, Spidey and His
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Amazing Friends. I think it's on, like, Disney +. And
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: I love that one because my kids like watching that show.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: And Spida is, of course, a Devin Dampier special. He's
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: done a really good job of branding with the Spider-Man
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: celebration and all that stuff. There's some cool T-shirts out,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: cool sweatshirts. You can go to the Utah... Red Zone stores,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: and they have them there. I was at Rally House
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: the other day. They had something there. So, Dev leaning
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: into the Spider-Man thing, which, by the way, is kind of...
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just a small world coincidence,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: but isn't that what Donovan Mitchell was doing with his whole, like,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: personal branding and nickname stuff? He still does it. Now
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: he's not with the Jazz anymore.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Spider. That's been his nickname for a while.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Actually, I remember... I did not like his Twitter handle
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: because it was SpyDadDMitchell, and it looked like SpyDadMitchell.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: SpyDadMitchell. Yeah, he changed that, right? Probably because you said,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Donovan, change that, please. He was a big listener to
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: the show, for sure. Definitely, definitely big listener to the show.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Actually, no, that is still his. It's SpyDadDMitchell.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: SpyDadMitchell.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: Tell me, you can't unsee it now, can you?
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: I can't. Now you're going to read it as Spy
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Dad Mitchell.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to admit.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: It's like Andy B. Larson, Andy Blarson.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Andy Blarson. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Spy Dad Mitchell.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I am going to admit here, I didn't notice the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: extra D before. I thought it was just Spy Da Mitchell,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: and now I see Spy Dad Mitchell.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Spy Dad Mitchell.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: All right. To the other, some other nicknames here. This
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: from the Ute Outsider. What about Tarantula Hawk or the
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Tarantula Hawk offense? Because bird, hawk, spider. Tarantula Hawk doesn't
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: exactly roll off the tongue.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's clever, but it doesn't.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: It is cool.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Doesn't quite roll off the tongue enough, probably. But it
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: is clever. And hawk is swoop a hawk. Is that right?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: So it kind of works that way, too.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: If you could find someone who had a nickname related
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: to wasps or bees, there is a tarantula hawk wasp,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: which is like a terrifying, like a giant palm-of-your-hand-sized wasp.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yikes.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: And then you could really get like the tiny, tiny
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: niche audience of folks who are like big-time insect lovers.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Just like the National Geographic crowd. Yeah, yeah. A couple
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: other suggestions here. This one might be... be a co-leader
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: in the clubhouse, at least. Two quarterbacks, call it the
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: 50-cent package.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Get it?
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: Two quarters, 50 cents.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I love that. That's from Sir Hamlet, scally loyalist.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Shout out to you, sir.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Ute Brownies on the Twitter is going all the way
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: back to my cousin Vinny. Vinny's two Utes system.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Utes with.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: A Y. You can't do that because that's what BYU
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: fans do with the Ute thing. They throw a Y
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: on the front of Ute when they're talking about Utah
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: on Cougar board and stuff.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Also, be respectful to the tribe, okay? It doesn't start
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: with a Y. Come on.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: Isaac says D, D, and B. I get it. Devon, Dampier,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: and Bird. I'm going with 50 Cent, the masked duo threat. Oh,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: I get it. Dual threat, duo threat, the masked duo threat.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: The thing is, you don't want to go like, okay,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: so there's the old dynamic duo, the Batman and Robin
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff. We're trying to come up with something
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: new here. Curtis says the Daily Bugle, named after the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: newspaper that covers Spider-Man's exploits.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Get Mr. Jameson, someone in a Mr. Jameson costume to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: cover them. And then he said, or Spidey in the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Sky at the end of his text there, if you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: don't like Daily Bugle.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: How about this? This one would really confuse people. We're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: coming up with a nickname for a two-quarterback system, and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Calvert says, how about the DB connection? Well, because you.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: Can't use DBs for two quarterbacks.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: DB is a commonly used thing in football, defensive backs.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe if it was like– if it was–
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Sione Vocky or the Weddle Package, right? Could be the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: DB connection.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, I get it.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: We're using initials there, Devin and Bird. But 877-353-0700. Help
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: us come up with a clever moniker for the two-quarterback
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: system that Utah is running because it is unique and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: it is something that, you know, we need to provide
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: the name for the nation. We can't let it be
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: bestowed upon. Yeah. from outsiders, we need to say, this
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: is what.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: You will call it.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: ESPN.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: This is what you will call it.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Sports illustrated.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: This is what we call it here. Like we say mountain.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: All right. And we drink dirty sodas. We called the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: two quarterback system, the 50 cent package or whatever we
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: decide it's going to be.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I've now I'm thinking DB Cooper with the DB
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: connect with DB connection. I'm like, is there a, is
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: there a DB Cooper reference we could do land the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: plane package?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: So, Uh, Derek says, uh, the Avengers, we got to find,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: we got like, is bird then like the Falcon kind
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: of one of the lamer Avengers.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Or I suppose Hawkeye, but that's not quite a word.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: You know, no, come on.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: He's just a guy with a bow and arrow.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Really good Archer.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Look, is Legolas just a guy with a bow and arrow?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: No, he's an elf. He's not a guy.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: First of all, Hawkeye is one of those, like, I'm
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: a huge comic book nerd, right? Hawkeye is one of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: those things that when you're reading comic books in, like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: the 1930s and 40s and 50s, you're like, oh, my gosh,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: a guy who shoots a bow and arrow and never misses,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: that's a really cool power. And then you get into, like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: you know, 2020, and you're just like, why is he
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: still using a bow and arrow?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: It's fine, right?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like the Superman thing when they're just like,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: let's give someone all of the powers. And then they
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: realize that's actually kind of lame for someone to have
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: all of the powers just to be invincible. So Hawkeye
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: is in that. It was a great idea when it happened.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: I feel like Bird Ficklin is worthy of a much
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: cooler superhero.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Equivalent than Hawkeye. And Falcon is a guy with a gadget,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: a cool gadget kind of thing. He's now Captain America.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: He's not even as cool.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: He's not as cool as Iron Man. He's not as
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: cool as War Machine.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: He's like the third rate enhanced human with technology kind
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: of thing. Welcome to Superhero Radio here on the Sean
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: O'Connell Show.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Bird on the pier. How about that? Because bird and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: damn pier. That's pretty good by Dustin.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: Is that where the name damn pier came from?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: From just like... The web slinger package, I like. Okay,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I like the web slinger package. I think it leans
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: a little bit too heavy into... Devin's identity and ignores Bird's,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: but maybe we just need to get to know Bird
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit better. The double deuce? No, Curtis, we're
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: not going to do the double deuce. This is from Cade.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: If you haven't pre-recorded Edition with Dev, you ought to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: ask him tomorrow what he thinks. Yeah, we should have
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: done that. You're right. You're right, Cade. But Radio Magic
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: means that we won't be able to do that.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: Not this week, at least.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: We'll ask Devin next week. Power Pack Flight, I don't
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: know what that is, but I like it, Bryce.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, all caps. We love the enthusiasm. Maybe you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: can explain that to us who are missing the reference there.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: I think for now, the placeholder for now is the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: 50-cent package.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: Two quarters, two quarterbacks.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: Sir Hamlet, you're the lead horse in the race for now,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: but we're taking ideas from in perpetuity for what we
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: should call the two quarterback system I want to get
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: into what I was hoping to discuss here before we
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: go to the daily dump the athletic put out an
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: investigative piece on spending roster spending here in the world
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: of college football in 2026 and they gave some observations
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: at the beginning that I think are really really important
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: first because they're they're showing their journalistic integrity by saying
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: like our ideas are only that they're just estimates. Okay.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: But also it's something that they point out something in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: here that is really fascinating and is just part of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: human nature. But I'll just, I'll get to the bullet
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: points here. It says, all right, top bullet point for context.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: They want you to keep in mind as you read
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: this article on the athletic, few people inside of a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: college football program actually know the real numbers. All right.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Your GM knows exactly how much the roster spends. how
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: much the roster spend is. Maybe your coordinators do. Your
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: head coach obviously has to. There's not a ton of–
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: maybe your director of football operations, whoever you have kind
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: of in charge as a liaison between NIL and stuff, right?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Those people know what your spending level is. But everything
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: else you're getting is somebody's educated guess, all right? They
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: talked about coaches, even when they are willing to talk
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: to a reporter– They like to undersell the number that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: they're actually spending because they feel like it tempers fan
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: expectations and it potentially keeps players from asking for even
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: more money because if you talk about, oh yeah, we
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: got $ 50 million and one guy's like, well, I'm only
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: getting 200 grand of that. That means they have more money.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: Let me go get some. Makes sense. So coaches are
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: underreporting their budget. School administrators... and this makes perfect sense again,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: are overestimating how much is being spent. They are overselling
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: how much they are pouring into a football program. They
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: are pouring into a basketball program. Because, of course, for
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: the athletic department, it looks better if you're saying, oh, yeah,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: our number is as high as it can possibly be.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: They want people to think that the number is higher
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: than it really is. And this is, I think, the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: most important point here. Everyone associated with the program, coaches, players,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: administrators likes to talk more about what the conference opposition,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: the rival, the everyone else in the world is spending
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: rather than what they are spending. And they want to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: overestimate what everyone else is spending because everybody loves to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: have that underdog mentality.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: Everybody likes to say, Oh yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Like we're doing with $ 10 million, what it's taking those
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: guys $ 30 million to do. That is fascinating to me.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: And it's a dynamic that I think we kind of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: guessed that, but now the athletic has confirmed that, Everyone
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: is ready to say, well, they spend this much, we
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: only spend this much. Even if you're a big spender,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've heard this from Steve Sarkeesian, we've heard
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: it from Dan Lanning, we've heard it from Mario Cristobal,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: when people are like, hey, 50 million bucks, they laugh,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: whether they're being genuine or not, they laugh and just say, oh,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: that'd be nice, wouldn't it? Right? Because they don't want people,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: and then they want to say, no, that's what they're spending,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: not what I'm spending. So, Really interesting, okay? The findings
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: in the article are pretty predictable in that the top-ranked teams,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: the teams with the highest likelihood to make a college
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: football playoff are, for the most part, spending the most.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: And this is where they do a breakdown of conference
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: by conference. And this is where it gets really, really interesting.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: The average spending per roster by conference. The conference average
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: for the SEC is $ 33 to $ 38 million per per
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: team for the roster. Arkansas is the lowest spender. Texas
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: is reportedly the highest spender at over $ 50 million on
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: their roster. Texas, LSU, Texas A & M are all
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: in that $ 50 million neighborhood, according to the research that
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: they were able to do.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: At The Athletic.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: In the Big Ten, $ 27 to $ 31 million conference average.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: Ohio State and Oregon outpacing everybody, north of $ 50 million,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: and a pretty big drop-off for the next group. USC, Indiana,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Michigan down in the $ 40 million range. The lowest spender,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: according to the research in the Big Ten, is Purdue.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Iowa is right there above Purdue, though, and Iowa is
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: a ranked team. Iowa is kind of a perpetual top
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: 25 type team. Nebraska is actually spending a heck of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: a lot more money, according to The Athletic, than I
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: would have guessed. I guess it kind of makes sense
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: because they want to return to the once proud status
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: they had. In the ACC, the conference average is $ 21
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: to $ 25 million. Miami is like an insane outlier here.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: The number one spender is in that $ 50 million roster range,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: $ 45 to $ 50 million. The next highest spender, and Miami
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: is really skewing the average here, because the next highest spender,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: according to The Athletic, is Clemson at around 29 to 32.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: That's a big, big gap in the ACC. And that
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: brings us to the Big 12 Conference, where you have
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: a similar dynamic existing in the Big 12 Conference. According
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: to The Athletic, the conference average is $ 18 to $ 22
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: million on the rosters. That is exactly where they have
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Utah sitting, $ 18 to $ 22 million spenders. Texas Tech is
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: anywhere from $ 38 to $ 42 million, according to The Athletic.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: $ 38 to $ 42 puts them well above the next, which
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: is TCU. BYU comes in third, and... James, where do
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: you think the research of The Athletic puts Utah in
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: terms of how they rank at the Big 12 Conference
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: when it comes to spending on the roster? Where do
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: you think Utah comes in according to this collection of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: journalists who are talking about one of the most important
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: things in the landscape of college football right now and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: are calling every source they have. They are talking to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: everybody who's willing to talk. They are getting emails and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: texts and anonymous sources and on-the-record stuff. Where do you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: think this conglomerate piece, this conglomerate, This everybody pulling on
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: the same rope puts Utah relative to the other spenders
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: in the Big 12 Conference. Hmm.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I would guess probably towards the middle. I'll just say eighth.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: They've got them at seven, so a very good guess.
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  Speaker 4: And they've got them at seven, and they're kind of
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: tied for eighth with West Virginia just right behind Utah. Wow.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: So according to the research, it's Texas Tech 1, TCU, BYU, Baylor,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: and Arizona State, Kansas State, and then Utah. Now, why
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: bring this up when we've got real football to talk about?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: Why be talking about this when we're already into a season?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: Because the results that we have seen so far for Utah,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: 17th ranked team in the country, looking pretty darn good.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: Optimism abounds here in Salt Lake City about what this
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: team could do this year. You're doing that with middle-of-the-road
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: resources in Utah. the poorest of the revenue share NIL
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: spenders among the Power Forward conferences, right? You are doing still,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: this is the lifeblood of Utah football, back to when
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: it was just recruiting and scholarships before the transfer portal,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: before NIL. Utah's thing was you do more with less.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: You get two-star recruits, three-star recruits. You turn them into
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: NFL players. You could turn them into four- and five-star performers. Development, right?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: It was always do more with less. It was always overachieve.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: By these numbers, very few teams out there, only Houston really,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: is overachieving more. You could say that Iowa, Houston, maybe
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Missouri are in that category. Shockingly low for me in
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: the SEC comparison, they've got Georgia and Oklahoma in the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: bottom half of spenders in the SEC. They've got Auburn, Georgia,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: and Oklahoma in the bottom half. Those are blue blood
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: programs or borderline blue blood programs. Georgia, I mean, Oklahoma
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: certainly is. Georgia has reinserted their name into that conversation.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: But I found it fascinating that the current state of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: college football, the current rankings in college football, are showing
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: that Utah is doing the thing they've always done, at
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: least for now. Overachieving, doing more with less. I mean,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: the more important question is how do you do more
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: with more? How do you get your 18 to $ 22
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: million spending average, which is right on par with the conference?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: How do you get that into the $ 30 million range
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: or the $ 40 million range?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you ever can, right?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: How do you even make sure that you are on
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: par with where they've got TCU and BYU reported? You're
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: never going to catch Texas Tech. Cody Campbell and company
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: are going to make sure Texas Tech stays at the front.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: Like Miami is never going to lose that race. Texas
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Tech is never going to lose that race in their
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: respective conferences. Ohio State is probably never going to lose
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: that race, although Oregon has at least the opportunity to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: keep pace. In the SEC, I mean, Texas and Texas
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: A & M have been the biggest spenders forever. Whether
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: or not LSU continues to play in those waters, I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: think it's heavily dependent on the level of success that
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin and company can deliver there. But Utah, 7th
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: biggest spender in the Big 12 Conference, according to what
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I think this is the most comprehensive research project that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: anyone has done on the power for spending so far.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: And it's got Utah.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: The budget, kind of where we told you it was,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: they say anywhere between $ 18 million and $ 22 million on
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: the NIL spending on the budget for your actual football roster.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: And of course, we say all this against the backdrop
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: of a Protect College Sports Act that is being pushed
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: through the halls of Congress and maybe putting a real
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: salary cap to where Oregon and Texas and Ohio State
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: and everyone else has to regress toward the mean, but
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: we shall see if that's even enforceable. Is seventh lower
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: or higher than you thought, James?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: It's about what I would have guessed based on numbers
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: that you got at Morgan Scali's press conference when you
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: were able to glad hand with a bunch of the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: donors that were up there for that. like you just said,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that's about where you said in January the budget probably was.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: You would hope that it's going to grow as the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Ocho Capitals, Crimson Brand Partners, that capital continues to be
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: infused in the athletic department, and they raise more revenue
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: from the strategies that they're implementing as part of that
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: new business. But that's something that we're going to have
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to see. But I would guess.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have guessed somewhere right in the middle there.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised that West Virginia is the team that's closest
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: to them because West Virginia is a team that does
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: not get talked about as a school that spends that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: much money, and they certainly don't win right now.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Do they have, like, coal mining money that we're not
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: paying attention to, West Virginia? Another thing of note before
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: we head to the Daily Dump. This research project done
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: by The Athletic, I encourage all of you to read it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: Good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But just comparing the numbers.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: Utah would be below every single team in the SEC conference,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: including Arkansas, who you just mollywhopped, right? Arkansas's budget, according
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: to The Athletic, is $ 22 to $ 25 million for their roster.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: It puts you behind every team in the Big Ten
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: conference except for Minnesota, Iowa, and Purdue. So the vast
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: majority of the Big Ten Conference is outpacing you in
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: terms of your spending. It puts you behind most of
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: the ACC as well. The line of demarcation here in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: the ACC is kind of like you're in the same
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: neighborhood as Syracuse, according to the research, which means you're
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: behind SMU, Virginia, Cal, Louisville, NC State, Georgia Tech. I mean.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: This is fascinating stuff for me because I knew where
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: Utah was at. I had a harder time knowing where
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: every other team is, where the rank and file of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: these other conferences are at. The fact that you're expected
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: to be, and we will.
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  Speaker 1: Maintain this expectation.
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  Speaker 4: I will continue to drive this bus that Utah should
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: be a top 25 team every single year, should be
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: in the conference championship conversation every single year. Well, when
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: you look at the conference championship conversation, you're like, all right, well,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: you've got to outpace six teams. But when we're talking
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: about the top 25 conversation, you are behind in spending
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: on 60 teams, 70 teams, and you're supposed to be
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: better than them, which, again, speaks to development, coaching, talent evaluation,
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  Speaker 4: Prince Will Umanmulan, is now holding in hand court papers.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to have to battle this thing out legally.
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  Speaker 4: But the timing is obviously not accidental. Number 7, LSU.
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  Speaker 4: Number 8, Ole Miss. Primetime on ABC. Lane Kiffin returning
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  Speaker 4: to Vaught-Hemingway Stadium. He spent six years there in charge
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  Speaker 4: of the Rebels. He tried to decimate the roster on
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  Speaker 4: bunch of players with him, causing trouble. Ole Miss to say,
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  Speaker 4: all right, fine, you're leaving, then we're going to get
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  Speaker 4: back everything we can from you people. This is, you don't,
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  Speaker 4: when you think about college football rivalries, college basketball rivalries,
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  Speaker 4: sports rivalries in general, they don't typically involve legal papers
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  Speaker 4: being served to players. But that's where we're at right
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  Speaker 4: now in college sports.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a crazy story, O.C., except that it's not
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: that crazy anymore. for us that have been following all
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: the chaos in college sports. And you just mentioned it
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be that crazy for us here in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Utah because we, University of Utah has a lawsuit,
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  Speaker 1: similar lawsuit against a former coach who just left to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: join his brother at a different program, right? So this is, unfortunately,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: this is becoming the norm in college football off the field.
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  Speaker 1: But if you remove all of that It is one
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: of the most craziest stories, especially given that they're playing
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  Speaker 1: this week, like you just said, and they're both top
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  Speaker 1: ten programs right now.
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  Speaker 5: The top ten programs.
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  Speaker 4: The governor of Mississippi had to basically give assurances that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: security would be upped at this game and that LSU
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  Speaker 4: would be able to get in and out of the
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  Speaker 4: stadium safely because that's how mad people in Mississippi are
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  Speaker 4: about Lane Kiffin doing things the way that he did them.
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  Speaker 1: The governor of Mississippi risked his own constituents thinking of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: him as a turncoat by saying, yeah, we'll protect Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 4: I just, I mean, we absolutely have one of the
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  Speaker 4: best rivalries in the country in the Holy War. And
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  Speaker 4: it's got its own unique wrinkles and a weird religious
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  Speaker 4: element and all those great things that make it fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: But this, when you're getting into Hey, that coach took
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  Speaker 4: too much on his way out the door. Hey, that
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  Speaker 4: player owes us something back. And the statement from the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: University of Mississippi is that it values student-athletes and is
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  Speaker 4: committed to honoring all obligations made to them. In return,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: the university expects the same commitment from its student-athletes and
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  Speaker 4: their representatives in upholding their contracts. And this is something, like,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: I said this about the Freddie Winningham thing. This is
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: something that I think we have to get on board with.
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  Speaker 4: You have to stop looking at, to some extent at least,
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  Speaker 4: You have to stop looking at college athletes as kids.
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  Speaker 5: We have to stop being like, oh, come on.
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  Speaker 4: 500 grand is a drop in the bucket for Ole Miss. Correct, right?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: They can eat that 500 grand and nobody's going to
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: cry about it. However, these are people that sign contracts now.
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  Speaker 4: They have agents. They are professional athletes. Whether they're 17-
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: or 18-year-old professional athletes or they're 22-year-old professional athletes, they
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  Speaker 4: are professional athletes. And I don't think it's an unreasonable
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  Speaker 4: expectation that you do fulfill the obligations of your contracts.
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  Speaker 4: If you are lucky enough, fortunate enough, bestowed of God-given
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  Speaker 4: talent to a level where now you can be gainfully
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: employed in a way that your peers all wish they were,
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  Speaker 4: that people, not even just your peers, that people coaching you,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: that people watching you, that people filling the stadiums, to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: watch you fly your trade, like those people, to some extent,
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  Speaker 4: that's what we do with professional athletes. Man, I wish
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: I had what that guy's got, right? If you're already
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: in that category as a 19-year-old and you want to
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: leave in the middle of the night because Lane Kiffin
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: called you on his way out the door, fine, but
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: you better be prepared to pay that money back because
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: there are legal obligations to this stuff. And I don't
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: think we should continue to be in the mindset that like,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: all right, well, let the schools just absorb the cost
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: and like the sunk cost, the cost of doing business
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: in granting these kids these opportunities.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm to that point now. I don't know
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: if everyone else is, but that's where I'm at.
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  Speaker 1: But it's how it always should have been as soon
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: as NIL became legal. How it always should have been
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: that these contracts that you enter into should be enforceable.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Whether it's a contract that the school is entering in
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: with the player where it's more the player's benefit than
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: the school or vice versa. I don't think we should
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: be mad about schools saying, hey, we're going to hold
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: you to that if you breach this contract. And that's
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: what we're starting to see. The players' agents, who most
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: of them are lawyers, they will be coming after the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: school in a second. And I don't know that a
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: lot of the people that are going, ah, really? The
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: school shouldn't be doing this, would be thinking the same
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: way about these players. It should be able to go
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: both ways. We, as in the court of public opinion,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: should allow it to be able to go both ways.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know the name Solomon Tuliapupu?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Sounds familiar. I'm not exactly sure.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: Well, if you were paying close attention to the 2018
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  Speaker 4: recruiting class that he was a part of, you might
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  Speaker 4: remember this name. He is 26 years old He's entering
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  Speaker 4: his second season at the University of Montana. He began
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: his collegiate career at USC all the way back in 2018,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: and he has been sidelined by injuries. He had the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: extra COVID year, and he's in his ninth year of
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: college eligibility, playing for Bobby Kennedy, no relation to the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: American Royalty Kennedys as far as I know. But uh
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: solomon tulia pupu is 26 years old and in his
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: ninth year of college and granted uh that eligibility by
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: the ncaa even as we we watched ted cruz and
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: company march this this bill up the ladder and try
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: to get the protect college sports act passed which would
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: Further cement, five years to play five is your eligibility rule.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: At least for now, here in 2026, you've got guys
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: that started their career expecting to be able to play
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: four years, and they're going to get their fifth. And
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: you also have at least one guy who is a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: member of the 2018 recruiting class who's 26 years old
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: and in his ninth year of college football. So just
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: a little fun fact for you. You've got this kind
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: of player still in college football, at least for now.
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  Speaker 5: The Protect College Sports Act will.
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  Speaker 4: Eventually filter these individuals out, but good for you, Solomon.
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  Speaker 4: And it's one of those things, I don't know if
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: at Montana you're getting anything except a scholarship. I don't
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: think Montana, I mean, among FCS programs, they certainly have
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: as robust of a support system as you could possibly expect.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that there's a lot of like NIL spending,
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  Speaker 4: especially for ninth year linebackers. Like maybe the quarterback's getting something.
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea, but this guy's living the dream.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully he's got like a couple of doctorate degrees by now.
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  Speaker 1: You'd hope he's got quite the lexicon of degree of
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  Speaker 1: degrees there that the Rolodex of degrees, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: after nine years in college, but hey, If he doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: at least he gets to keep playing football. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's incredible.
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  Speaker 5: When's the last time you watched Van Wilder?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen Van Wilder.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to see Van Wilder.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, the other top members of the 2018
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  Speaker 4: recruiting class that Solomon Tulipupu was a member of, Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 4: Justin Fields, JT Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, JT Daniels.
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  Speaker 4: Amin Ra, St. Brown, Pat Sertan, the second or junior,
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  Speaker 4: whichever you prefer. Jamar Chase, these are the people that
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  Speaker 4: were going into college at the same time as Solomon.
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  Speaker 4: And Talanoa Hafunga, who's now, I mean, these guys, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of these guys are on their second or third
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  Speaker 4: NFL teams. And this dude is still playing at the
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  Speaker 4: University of Montana.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're NFL veterans, most of these guys. JT Daniels
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  Speaker 1: is like one of these things is not like the other.
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  Speaker 1: But remember how big a deal he was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be at USC.
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  Speaker 4: Even Tanner McKee, who famously was like the top quarterback
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  Speaker 4: recruit who is an LDS kid who went to Stanford
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  Speaker 4: and served a mission and came back. Even Tanner McKee
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  Speaker 4: has been in the NFL a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: On the two-year delay that is associated with a mission.
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  Speaker 4: But Solomon Tolia Pupu is just like, yeah, man. Panay
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  Speaker 4: Sewell was in the 2018 recruiting class. Oh, this is amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Waddell. I can't, Dorian Thompson Robinson. These are all
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  Speaker 4: people that came out of high school the same year
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  Speaker 4: as Solomon did, and he is still at the University
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  Speaker 4: of Montana. I love it so much. Aidan Hutchinson. James. Aidan.
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  Speaker 1: These are, like, established young stars in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, this is a heck of a recruiting class.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the names you listed are, like, starring in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Utah's top guy in that recruiting class was Jack Tuttle.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. He was the highest-ranked recruit ever at the time, right?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was. I'm going– this is– Scrolling down these
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  Speaker 4: names is taking me through, it's a jog down memory
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  Speaker 4: lane because a lot of these guys were great players
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  Speaker 4: that ended up being in the Pac-12 when we were
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  Speaker 4: still covering the Pac-12.
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  Speaker 1: Was Cam in that recruiting class? I know that he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a Ute recruit, but was he in that recruiting class?
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  Speaker 4: I haven't scrolled past him yet, but I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what he was as a national level recruit. We're in
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  Speaker 4: the top I'm scrolled down to, like, the top 200
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  Speaker 1: I think he was a four-star for Texas at the time.
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  Speaker 1: That's who he committed to initially.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're in the four-star range. Nick Benito has
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  Speaker 4: a part of this recruiting class. Max Borgi? Yeah. I
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  Speaker 4: wonder what he's doing now. I'd like a where are
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  Speaker 4: We're back in the world of college football where you're
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  Speaker 4: as well. Thanks for having us here.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Jack McBain joins us next. Mammoth Opening Training Camp. It's
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. We start hour
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  Speaker 4: one day ahead of training camp starting first practices tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: at the Mammoth Ice Center down in Sandy. Jack McBain,
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  Speaker 4: welcome to the show. How are you, sir? I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 3: How are you guys?
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  Speaker 5: Man, great.
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  Speaker 4: Excited that hockey is so close. It's wild. We've been
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: so focused on football season, it almost sneaks up on you.
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  Speaker 5: How was the summer?
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  Speaker 4: Did you get to enjoy the.
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  Speaker 5: last couple.
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  Speaker 4: Of months have been like for you.
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  Speaker 3: It was good. I'm from Toronto, so I spent the
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  Speaker 3: whole summer back home with some family and friends. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: just playing some golf and training a lot, you know,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: getting healthy and getting the body right. So summer was great,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: but excited to get back.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: Does the body start to itch a little bit?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're in this rhythm now as an NHL
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  Speaker 4: player for several years where this time of year, you know,
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• 1:44:18
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  Speaker 5: I got to get myself in shape soon.
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  Speaker 4: How do you prepare for that, the sort of natural
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  Speaker 4: or maybe it's unnatural rhythms of an NHL season and offseason?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man, yeah. I think, you know, the seasons are
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: long and tough, but, you know, the summers get pretty long, too,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: when you're at home and you're antsy to get back
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: with all the guys and your teammates. you know summers
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: are tough now I think guys take them obviously super
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: serious and you take a couple weeks off but after
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: that you're right back to it and you're trying to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: come back in better shape and as a better player
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: so yeah.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: How often are you on the ice in the summer?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're still a relatively new hockey market, so
• 1:45:00
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• 1:45:04
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• 1:45:07
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• 1:45:10
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• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: week are you on ice during the summer months?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think everybody's a little bit different and
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: kind of guys need different things. But, you know, you're
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: kind of in the gym every day. And then as
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: the summer goes along, you're ramping up the skating. So,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: you know, anywhere from three to five times a week,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: kind of start with three. And as you're getting closer
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: and closer to camp, you start ramping it up even more. So, yeah.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: um yeah it kind of just depends how you're feeling
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: and what you need but anywhere from three to five
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: times a week for sure you're skating quite a bit
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: in the summer.
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  Speaker 4: And it sounds like you're also a golfer is that
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: the only other sport that you play or that you
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: you know move the body.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: With i grew up doing a lot uh i did
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff growing up uh whether it was
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: like you know volleyball uh skiing um you know kind
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: of parents got me into everything lacrosse and all that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: and um you know now just i feel like golf
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: is super popular amongst all hockey guys with the off
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: season but um yeah i try to play as much
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: as i can in the summer for sure.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: Who's the best golfer on this mammoth roster.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Oh uh we actually we got a really good golf
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: team um but i'd be between probably schmaltzy and kells
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: those two guys are are pretty dialed in so uh
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: they've had some good matches and i think any given
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: day those two can kind of battle it out so
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: yeah they're they're really good.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: Do you find when you move in the nhl golf
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: circles that the better hockey player they are they're probably
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: also going to be a better golfer is it like
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: an athleticism that translates pretty pretty accurately.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: Um Not necessarily. I mean, I've met a lot of
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: good hockey players that aren't too good, but, you know,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: in this case, it works out pretty good for those guys.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: They're both obviously unreal hockey players, and they can swing
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: it pretty good, too. So, yeah, they're pretty good.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about this upcoming season and sort
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: of the mentality, the expectation. I mean, obviously here in
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City was like a, sort of thrown together,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: rapid embracing of a franchise. It came together really quick,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: the move up from Arizona, and then suddenly we're Utah
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: Hockey Club, and then the rebrand, and now it's the Mammoth.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: And it's crazy because heading into year three here in
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City, it feels like already this team is
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: deep in the fabric of the community, and the expectations
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: are really, really high because you guys played so well
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: last year, made it into the playoffs last year, and
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: you know, our expectation as a new hockey market is, okay, well,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: if they made the playoffs last year, well, now it's
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: time to win a series or two and to be
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: chasing a cup sooner than later. But you tell me,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: what's the mentality and the expectation like inside of that
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: dressing room now?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, like you said, we've been
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: making some really good strides and steps every year. I
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: think we made some really good additions in the offseason
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: this year. So, you know, the expectation inside the locker
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: room is to continue getting better, I think. You know,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: we're in one of the toughest divisions and we want
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: to be one of the top teams in there. So,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: you know, you look at the look at the league
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: and I think this past year there were six teams
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: that were in the playoffs the year before and missed
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: it the year after. Um, so, you know, just, just
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: cause you made it last year doesn't mean it's a
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: given and it's going to be tough, but obviously our
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: expectation is to be in there and competing and winning
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: series and, um, you know, just becoming a better overall team. So, um, yeah,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, our management and staff did a
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: great job this off season and now it's just kind
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: of up to us to put it together and, um, yeah,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: just have a good year.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: So 55 players in camp for now, and you've got
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: to whittle that down as you get closer to the
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: home opener against Chicago, which is in, what, like 15 days.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: It's crazy that, you know, that training camp is so
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: short for such a long season. But I guess you
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: guys are year-round hockey players, so you don't have to, like,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: get all the way back into form. Maybe that's why
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: they do it this way. But tell me what it's
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: like for the bubble guys.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: Tell me what it's like.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: Obviously, you're pretty established now, and we know– like the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: star names on this roster and the staples and the
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: individuals with the big contracts who we know are going
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: to be part of the plans moving forward. But what
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: is training camp like for some of these young guys,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: the prospects, the recent draftees and the individuals who are
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: looking to become NHL staples for the first time? How
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: physical is camp? How competitive is camp, especially for those
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: guys who are trying to make a name for themselves?
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think. we got a really competitive group.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, you look at our team, um,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys that can move around within it. And, uh,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: we got a really, really strong prospect pool too. So
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: it's an exciting time to be a player, but a
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: fan as well. And, um, you know, camp, the camp
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: way out, it's kind of changed a lot ever since
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: even when I came into the league there, uh, it's
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: gotten shorter, less, uh, less exhibition games. So, you know,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: it's kind of less time for, uh, for a young
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: prospect to, uh, you know, kind of show what they've
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: been doing last game. So, you know, camp's always a grind.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: It's always tough. You get in there, you try to
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: learn as much as you can system-wise in a short
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: period of time and really try to prove yourself on
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: the ice. So, yeah, I think when you're going there
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: as a young guy, you, Your goal is to steal
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: a job, and when you're going in there as an
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: older guy, your goal is to show why you still
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: have it. Camp's always competitive. It's always fun. It's great
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: to be back with the guys and see everybody, too.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: It's good.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: Utah Mammoth forward Jack McBain is our guest here on
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: the Sean O'Connell Show. They're back in action for regular
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: season against the Chicago Blackhawks in 15 days. First practice
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: at the Utah Mammoth Ice Center down in Sandy is tomorrow.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: How do you know, Jack, when you see one of
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: these young guys coming up, when you see some of
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: these kids are 18 and 19 years old, how do
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: you personally, you let the coaches and the GM figure
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: out the stuff that actually who's going to make the
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: roster and stuff, but how can you tell when a
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: guy's ready to play NHL hockey?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about. Some of the
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: guys are just 18, 19, coming to the league pretty young,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: but Uh, you can tell when you're out there, I think,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: you know, some of the, obviously the top end talent, um,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: you know, guys are skilled, but I think what really
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: takes you to the next level is just, you know,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: kind of the IQ side of the game, being able
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: to think the game at that, uh, at that speed. And, um, yeah,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think you necessarily have to be, you know,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: the biggest or strongest, but being able to think the
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: game and, and making smart plays out there is huge. So, um, yeah,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: I think just as a player, you can kind of
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: see when a kid's got it and when their game
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: maturity is at that level.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: As you try to stay ahead of that curve and
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: to outpace the constant competition and things like that, and
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: obviously you want to improve for the sake of your
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: own career and to help this team win and eventually
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: win a Stanley Cup, so from a personal standpoint, anything
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: you worked on in the summer, do you have goals
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: on maybe a certain number you want to hit in
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: a statistical category or anything like that? What, what is your,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: I guess, point of emphasis in getting ready for this season?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think as a bigger guy, I'm always working
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: on my skating and trying to get faster. Um, you know,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: I'm always trying to fill out, be a stronger and, um,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I try to work on my download play
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: a lot. I'm a bigger guy. So using my body
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: to my, uh, to my advantage and, um, you know, I, I,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: I try not to put really statistical, you know, individual measures,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: but obviously, you know, I want to see continued growth
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: in my game and developing my 200-foot game offensively and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: defensively both. So, yeah, no, I think it's a really
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: exciting year for our team and, you know, hopefully have
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of group success. So that's kind of how
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: you measure a good year.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: Forgive me because it's probably kind of a dumb question,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: but how much do you care who you skate with?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: How much does your line matter to you at this
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: juncture of your career?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, obviously you want to be out there
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: and contributing as much as you can, and you want
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: to be trusted in situations.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: On the ice.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: But we got such a deep forward group this year that,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: you know, I think– no matter who you play with
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: and what line you're on, it's going to be good, and,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: you know, you can be effective out there. So, you know,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: whether this year I'm playing center, wing, or whatever line,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not too worried about it. Just go out there and,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: you know, try to help the team win as best
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: I can.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe a better way to ask that question is, do
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: you find that there are certain people that maybe you've
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: gotten to know, you've gotten to skate with, or maybe
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: you'll learn this with some young guys or whatever as
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: practice starts that, like, Your timing, your skill, your communication
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: compliments theirs or vice versa.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: Do you find me?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: You don't have to tell me who they are, but
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: is there is there a noticeable difference for you when
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: you're out there on the ice with like, I don't know,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: a different combination versus somebody maybe you don't have as
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: much experience with or something like that?
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think, you know, over the
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: years I've played with some guys more than others, and
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: you learn their tendencies, you learn, you know, what they
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: like to do in certain situations, where they'll be on
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: the ice. So, like, a lot of different stuff that just,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: you know, makes it easier playing with them. But, like
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: I said, our team is so deep now up front
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: and on the back as well that, you know, no
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: matter who you're playing with– It's all going to be good. Yeah,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: it's just super exciting.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: What's your relationship with Coach Baird like?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: We've gotten to know him a little bit, obviously, and
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: we're a new hockey market, as I keep saying, and
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: all of us are kind of learning the game through
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: you guys, at least to some extent. And, you know,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: there's like, I guess whether it's ignorance or it's just
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: behind the learning curve, We don't have as good of
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: an expertise or as developed of an expertise on whether
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: he's getting the most out of this roster, whether he's
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: getting the most out of Jack McBain as a player
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: or whatever. So I lean on you. You tell me,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: what is your relationship with Coach Bear like?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: Excuse me um no coach bear has been amazing i've
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: had him uh my whole career now you know i
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: had him uh when i was a rookie in arizona
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: for a couple years and then obviously uh the transition
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: to utah so um he's kind of seen me since
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: i came in the league until now and um it's
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: it's been great i think he he he understands the
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: player he he's able to kind of develop a personal
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: relationship and knows how to get the best out of
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: each guy and, you know, how each guy reacts to
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: certain styles of coaching. So I think he does a
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: great job with that. And yeah, no, I think he just,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: he gets a good read of the game and, and,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: you know, one guys need to be put in certain situations.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: Um, he's really clear on what's, what he expects out
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: of individuals, but also the team as a whole. And, um,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: you know, he's, he's got a communicating systems and everything.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: So I've had a very good experience with coach there. And, um,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I think he's done a great job with
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: our group and he's put us in a really good
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: spot heading into the future.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: Jack, how compartmentalized is a hockey roster when it comes
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: to the position you play? Like in football, I got
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: an American football background in football. Um, You know, like
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: offensive linemen hang out with offensive linemen. They're never friends
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: with the D linemen. Quarterbacks can kind of get along
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: with everyone because they have to. We always hear goalies
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: are super weird. How does it work with forwards, defensemen, goalies,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: and hockey?
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: No, I'd say it's, you know, I'm not too familiar
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: with the football locker room, but it sounds like it'd
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: be pretty different. I think, you know, we got such
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: a close group on our team that everybody's kind of
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: close with each other. There's no real... There's no position differences.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: I think everybody's kind of just as one. I think,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned that the goalies are kind of
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: doing their own thing, but um we're all buddies at
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: the end of the day and you know everybody gets
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: along super well so uh it's been a fantastic group
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: to be a part of uh to be honest it's
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: it's been uh really.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: Enjoyable how often are you recognized around town like how
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: how hard is it to be famous in salt lake
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: city from your experience so far.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: It might be different on who you ask on the team,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: but I think we've all had a really good experience here.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: I think the people have been super, super nice, and
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: nobody bothers you too much. It's been an awesome, easy
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: transition to Utah. I think the town has been amazing.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: I think it's obviously super beautiful here, and we're able
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: to get out and enjoy it, no problem. um so
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: yeah no it's it's it's been really fun and the
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: fans have been amazing.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: For the third straight year now the the barn's going
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: to be a little bit different configuration wise ryan and ashley.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: Smith and smith entertainment group have.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: Done so much with the delta center in just the
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: short time that you guys have been here uh Has
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: it changed your experience from year to year, like different
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: configuration of seating, how loud the building is? I don't
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: know what the dressing room, if there's been big changes there.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: But the building has been altered several times in a
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: short span. Has it changed things for you?
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: It's been cool to watch. It's been fun. The ownership
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: group and the Smith family have just been unbelievable, and
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: they've treated us so well. But they've been a great
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: job growing the game here and filling the rank every night.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: It was loud ever since.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: Opening night, and.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: It's loud now. They just keep putting more seats in
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: there and making the fan experience more enjoyable. uh it's
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: been amazing i think you know the the progress in
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: the rink um going from the kind of walls behind
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: the net to now the seats and uh continue to
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: get better but you know we also got the new
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: practice facility down in sandy which is you know state
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: of the art and it's probably one of a kind
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: in the national hockey league so um yeah they've been
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: able to put together some uh some pretty incredible stuff
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: in a short uh short period of time it's it's.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: Been uh fun to be a part of In the offseason,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: we've been paying a lot of attention to kind of like,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: you know, the contracts, the roster construction, and the fact that,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: you know, Gunther got locked up and Schmalz got locked
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: up and Kuhl's got locked up and all these guys
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: at relatively friendly, franchise-friendly rates compared to some of the
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: other contracts that are being handed out. And I know
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: the main business for you and everybody else is to
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: play hockey and just be good at that craft. But
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: is that something that you all in the dressing room
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: are paying attention to that this roster is being built
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: in a way that to me feels sustainable and, and
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: that there's flexibility to where, you know, pieces can be added.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, you bring in Trocek in.
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  Speaker 4: This off season, I think that's going to be a
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: big piece here. Is that something you guys talk about
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  Speaker 4: amongst one another?
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think obviously it's something that we all see,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: you know, day to day. I think even just in
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: the last couple of days, there's been, you know, a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: bunch of signings with, you know young kids at huge
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: numbers so uh it's obviously great for the league to
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: see you know the contracts trending in that direction but
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: um you know getting you know the coolies and the
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: gunthers and even you know schmaltzy last year locked up
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: on long-term deals that uh like you said rates that
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: are um you know pretty friendly considering what's being uh
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: signed now i think is huge for our group going
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: forward and, um, allows you to, you know, make other
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: moves in, in areas where you might need help. So, um, yeah, it's,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: it's just a super exciting time to be part of, uh,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: you know, the mammoth and it's, uh, it's fun for
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: the fans too. I think, you know, there's a lot
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: to look forward to going, going into the future here.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: Jack McBain for another minute or two here on the
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell show talking Utah mammoth hockey.
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  Speaker 5: They begin practice tomorrow.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: Season starts in 15 days against the Chicago Blackhawks. All right,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: I've exercised restraint here, Jack. The thing I wanted to
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: start the conversation with is fighting in hockey. I love it,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: and it seems like you love it too. I have
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: a combat sports background. I was a pro MMA fighter
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: for 12 years. I actually fought a hockey goon once
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: in the UFC. That was fun.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 5: But at what point in.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: Your career– did you decide or was it foisted upon
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: you that like, all right, you know what, when somebody
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: needs to be taught a lesson, Jack McBain is going
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: to be among the lead candidates to take care of that.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: Like at what point in your hockey development did that
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: become part of your game?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, I think, you know, kind of my first, uh,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: camp pro, um, you know, you're kind of looking at
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: the rosters in Arizona at the time and you kind
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: of figure you got to differentiate yourself to, you know,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: get yourself on that opening night roster and make yourself
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: a full-time player. And, you know, when I was coming
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: into the league, I really just wanted to make a
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: name for myself and get myself to be a full-time player.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: And physicality became a huge part of my game. And
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: It's something I really pride myself on now to this day.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 3: So I kind of found my role in that and
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: I went with it. And, you know, obviously at this
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: level you play physical, you're going to have to answer
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: the bell at certain times. And it's something that I've
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: really actually come to enjoy in the league. And, you know,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: I consider myself a really honest player and try to
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: stand up for my teammates as well whenever they need that. So, yeah. Um, yeah,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: obviously it's, it's a big part of my game, but, um,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: you know, like I said earlier, you know, I don't
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: want to, I want to grow everything and become more
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: offensive and more of a 200 foot player and continue that.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: But obviously being physical and, and fighting when I need
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: to is, is something, um, you know, I take pride in.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: Does the NHL at large have a proper relationship, you think,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: with that part of the game now? Because it felt
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: like years ago they were trying to, like, be excessive
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: about discouraging it maybe, and then I don't know if
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: there was a conversation. They realized, oh, wait, our fans
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 4: love this. This is part of hockey history. We need
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: to let it be part of the game. Does the NHL,
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: from your standpoint, does the league have a proper relationship
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: with fighting and with, I guess, the penalization of fighting
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: and suspensions and things like that?
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think, I think the league's
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: in a great spot, to be honest. I think we've
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: been growing, growing a lot. You see where the contracts
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: are going. But I think, you know, in terms of fighting,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think, you know, the league would be able
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: to ever get rid of that. I think, you know,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: it's something that's been a part of the game for
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: so long and, you know, it allows the players to
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: kind of referee and police the game, you know, within
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: the game. There's, there's certain things that you can do
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: and certain things that you might be able to get
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: away with. But, you know, at the end of the day,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: you know, a bad hit, you know, on a, on
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: a good player and stuff like that kind of needs
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: to be controlled by the players. And, you know, I
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: think it's, it's a respect thing. It's an honesty thing. And,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: you know, it's, it's a huge part of the game
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: to be honest. So I think, I think the game's
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: in a great spot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And look, I know that, You're a complete player. You
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: want to continue being a more complete player, like you
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: said a couple times here. But is there room and
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: is there time and is it necessary to practice that
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: part of it? Again, I'm asking these questions because of
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: my own individual interest and background. But, like, do you and, like,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: Spicy Tuna take ten minutes after practice and practice that?
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: Do you go into a boxing gym or an MMA
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: gym or do you have to do it on skates?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: Like, can you get better at that?
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: And is that something that, like, your coaches and your
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: teammates are like, yeah, that's a worthy way to spend
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 4: your time, Jack?
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a skill just like anything else. I think,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: you know, if you want to get better, you've got
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: to practice it. And I think if you look at
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: hockey fights around the league, you know, guys have certain styles,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: and a lot of guys are different, right? There's a
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: lot of different grabs, a lot of different holds, you know,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: how you're defending yourself. Yeah. You know, when I first signed,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: I went right up to Spice and asked them to
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: show me a few things, and I kind of went
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: from there. So it's definitely something that guys work on.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a big part of the game, and
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: like I said, it's a skill like anything else, and
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: if you want to get better at it, then you've
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: got to work on it. So, yeah, guys work on
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: it for sure.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: Last thing I promise on fighting, is there somebody who
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: you have yet to drop the gloves, and you're like, eventually...
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: That one's going to happen, and maybe you look forward
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: to it. Is there a fight that you're looking forward
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: to in the 2026 season, potentially?
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't ever plan them out. I
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: don't think I've ever had a fight. I might have
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: known that some were coming, but I've never had a
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: fight where it's been planned and we were going to
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: do it, I think. You know, all my fights are
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: kind of based on in the moment. And if something
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: happens to a teammate or myself, you know, that needs
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: to be done and then I'll do it. So, yeah,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: I think, I guess we'll have to see what happens
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: in game and kind of go from there.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate you indulging me on that line of questioning.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: It's just, like I said, it's my own personal interest
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: Good luck.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: Stay healthy, man. We're so excited about what this team
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: is shaping up to be and you know i guess
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: pass on to all your teammates a thank you to
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 4: from the the sports community here it's been really really
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: cool to embrace nhl hockey and to feel like we've
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: been embraced by nhl hockey and as far as pro
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: athletes go it seems like nhl guys are about as
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: accessible and cool to fans as anybody can be so
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: i hope you all know it's very appreciated here in
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: salt lake city.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate that. We're super pumped to be here,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: and hopefully have a great season for you guys.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Jack.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: All right. Thank you.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: Jack McBain, Utah Mammoth forward, starting practice tomorrow at the
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: Utah Mammoth Ice Center. 11 a.m. is the first practice
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: of the season. And then two weeks after that, they're
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: dropping the puck against the Chicago Blackhawks. By the way,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we've gotten a construction update as
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: of late. I have not been checking Ryan Smith's Twitter
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 4: account or anything, but like a month ago, there was
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: nothing in the Delta Center. It was like they were
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: pouring concrete in there. And now you've got two weeks
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: before you host NHL hockey, and you've got a UFC
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: card coming a couple of days after that, so not
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: only do you have to be ready for hockey, but
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: You've got to be ready to change over to do
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: another event and, of course, basketball and concerts and all
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: that stuff. So, wow. I've been taking a look at
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: the status update on the building as of late. Text
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: me if you have, 877-353-0700. All right, we've got some
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: really great suggestions on what we're calling the two-quarterback system
• 2:10:03
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• 2:10:05
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• 2:11:03
  Speaker 7: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 4: We may have accidentally stumbled upon my favorite topic of
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: the entire football season.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: What are we going to call?
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: We need a clever moniker for the two-quarterback system with
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: Bird and Devin that Utah is, of course, leaning on.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: extensively in the offense. It's creative. It's crazy. It's hard
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: to prepare for. Utah State, they feel like they have
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: a recipe for success against that and all the other stuff,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: but it's going to be fun to watch. Still, we
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: can't just call it the two-quarterback system. We can't just
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: call it whatever the... Two tight ends, two running backs,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: two quarterbacks would be like a A 222 package. You've
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 4: got 13 personnel. You've got 12 personnel. You have to
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: add a quarterback number in there if you're playing Utah.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: It's tough stuff, man. So I've been asking, what is
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: a good idea? What is a good name for the
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: two-quarterback system? And 877-353-0700 if you want to text it,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: at RealOCSports if you want to tweet it. Multiple ideas
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 4: coming in from Curtis. Utah references for naming the QBs.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: The Desert Duo. The Twin Peaks, the Iron Horse duo,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 4: the Scout and the Sentinel, those I believe are Peaks.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 4: Butch and Sundance, Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid, that's not bad.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: That's not bad. I don't know if they really jive
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: with the Western, if Bird and Dev would pick that
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 4: for themselves. Michael says, avian arachnophobia. Guys, it has to
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 4: be something that rolls off the tongue. I definitely appreciate
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: all the bird and spider references here, like the flying spider.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 4: Shout out to whoever brought that one in. The spider
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: bird system coming in from Trevin right now. Thunder and
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: lightning has been suggested many a time. I don't know
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: who would be thunder and who would be lightning now.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: Both of those guys are kind of lightning.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Thunder and lightning is for
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: running backs when you have, like, a Mike Allstott Warwick
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 4: Dunn situation when you've got a big body guy and
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: then a speedster. It's like, I don't know if way
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 4: Sean is quite big enough to be thunder, but it
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 4: would be like, uh, it would be like a Bray
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: is lightning and a way Sean is thunder. Or maybe
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: it's like a Hunter Andrews is thunder and way Sean
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: is lightning kind of a thing. In my opinion.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 5: Uh, Bryce says, how about flash flood? That's okay. People
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 5: are going to be triggered by that.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: Those things are dangerous, man. Um, the two the two
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: Utes yes that's yeah has anyone said Maverick and Goose
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: yet from Top Gun maybe good uh Shake and Bake
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 4: had that one come in several times shout out to
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: one of the greatest comedies in the history of cinema
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: The Birds The Birds Den coming in from JP let's
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 4: go to the Twitter we got a bunch of great
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 4: ones bunch of great ones.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 5: Um Sir Hamlet, who.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: Said the 50-cent offense, which is fantastic, he said, or
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: we could call it the half dollar, which is also
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 4: very fantastic. So Sir Hamlet might be getting the bonus
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: points because he gave two great ideas. Flight force coming
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: in from people, the half pounder, the silk talon. Ooh,
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 4: that's fancy. I get it because spiders have silk and
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: birds have talons. That's nice. All right. What else do
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 4: we have here? The Gemini package. Gemini means duality, brotherhood,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: and communication.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 4: This one is absolutely fantastic. This is the, in my opinion,
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: the best contender so far for the 50 cent or
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: half dollar offense. It is the Damp Bird Dextrous. Get it?
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: Instead of ambidextrous, damp bird dextrous. And it works on
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 4: so many levels because one guy is right-handed, one guy
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: is left-handed. See how that goes? That's from RJ on
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: the tweeter machine. At Real OC Sports, if you have
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 4: a good idea for what we should be calling the
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: two-quarterback system for the University of Utah. Like, it's got
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 4: to be fun. It's got to be a fun thing.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 4: Back to the text line here. The bird web package. Yeah,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: all right. The double bird. I like the double bird
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 4: because of the image it evokes. I don't know that
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: it fits with Devin. He's like almost the opposite of that.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 4: He's like smiling at everyone all the time, you know.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 5: He's not flipping anyone the bird.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: 5950 says, do shake and bake and then they could
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 4: do the whole skit. And like, absolutely. You put those
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 4: guys in racing uniforms, you have them, Devin gets to
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: be Ricky Bobby, Bird gets to be Cal Naughton Jr.,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: film a commercial. I mean, I don't even have the
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 4: budget for it, but I'll find a way. We'll make
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: that a commercial for the Sean O'Connell show. Let's go.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 5: The North and Southpaw assassins.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: How come right-handers aren't called Northpaws?
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: Left-handers are called Southpaws.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 4: No one has ever referred to A right-handed person, a
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 4: right-handed thrower is a northpaw. I guess it's because they're
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 4: so common. I myself am left-handed. And at some point
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: when I was young, I think it was my grandfather,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: he bestowed upon me one of the great things when
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 4: people express surprise that you're left-handed. My response probably from
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 4: when I was like nine years old. It's probably about
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 4: the time I started to get really obnoxious, so that
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: would make sense. He told me to say, everyone is
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 4: born right-handed, only the best of us overcome it. So
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 4: that's what I would say to people when I revealed
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: to them that I was left-handed. Bird, if you want
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 4: to use that, you can. Keep the good stuff coming in, 877-353-0700. Oh, yes.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 4: Wait a second. James, the caller who then was not
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: able to finish the call because he was interrupted.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 5: James is on the line right now.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 4: James from Riverton. James, how are you? Welcome to the show.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 4: We've been pining for you. We've been waiting for you
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: to call us back, and thank you for doing so.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 8: I am doing great. It's been a pretty regular Wednesday.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 8: Last month and this month have been pretty solid. Last month,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 8: the 14th of August, I was able to celebrate my birthday,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 8: and then the day after, I went fishing.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: It was really fun.
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  Speaker 8: Overall, really fun, and I even came up with the
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  Speaker 8: Utah season predictions.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I love it. First of all, a belated happy
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: birthday to you. What are your predictions?
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  Speaker 8: So even though the Idaho and Arkansas games have already happened,
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  Speaker 8: I did predict them before it happened, and I wrote
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 8: them down. And for the Idaho one, I was actually
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  Speaker 8: very close. I predicted a Utah win first. 65-7 goes
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  Speaker 8: off by a touchdown and an extra point.
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  Speaker 4: All right, very close.
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  Speaker 8: For Arkansas, I predicted a win 56-17, so not bad.
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  Speaker 4: Not bad. A lot of us thought that game would
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 4: be closer, and you thought it would be a blowout,
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  Speaker 4: so I think you got us beat on the prediction there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think a lot of the games will be
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  Speaker 8: kind of blowouts because of this explosive, like, how explosive
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 8: this offense is. And I think the only games that
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  Speaker 8: will really be, like, kind of close would be, like,
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  Speaker 8: Houston and BYU. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 4: I like the predictions.
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  Speaker 8: And for Utah State this week, I predict Utah will
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 8: win about, 53 to 13. But thinking about it now
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 8: and listening to you guys talk about, like, Bronco Mendenhall and, like,
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  Speaker 8: the Aggies, it's like I kind of could see, like,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 8: the Aggies scoring a little more than I have it.
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  Speaker 8: So maybe 53 to, like, 21.
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  Speaker 4: All right. I like that prediction, James. I appreciate your
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 4: phone call. More importantly, I appreciate you listening to the show, man.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 8: You're welcome, man.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 4: Great stuff from James. More on the text line. This
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 4: is 1765. How about this? How about two utes or
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: toots for short? The toots offense.
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  Speaker 5: Is this one of my daughters that.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: Just texted in?
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: The spider hawk. Spider hawk is a good one.
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  Speaker 4: It takes both of, well, I don't know if bird
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 4: has ever been called hawk, but it takes, you know, nicknames,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 4: and combines them into a good moniker. That does roll off.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: It rolls off the tongue. It also, like, Swoop is
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: the Red Hawk, right? So it includes the identity of
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: the school that way, too. I have to tell you,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: we couldn't spend that much more time with James on
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: the phone here, but I have to tell you, he
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: told me the story of how he got interrupted before
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: we put him on the air. So we were speculating
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: it must have been a significant other or something. It
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  Speaker 1: was his mom. who came in and was like, who
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: are you calling?
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: Even more, even more influential.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: Who are you calling? And, you know, sounded kind of
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: annoyed about it. And, uh, he tried to explain it
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: to her. She didn't get it. He ended up, he
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: said he was pretty salty about it for a while
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: after that. So we're glad that James from Riverton was
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: able to finally, uh, get on the show. Please call again, man. Uh,
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: love the predictions for the youth season for sure.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 5: Love it.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 4: He's, uh, he's expecting a lot of blowouts. I like that. Uh, we,
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 4: I don't, On the text line, we had someone, apparently,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 4: bird and spider in the, I guess this would be
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 4: the Ute language, is Wichichi Mukwapi. That doesn't roll off
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  Speaker 4: the tongue necessarily, but it would be really cool if
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 4: we somehow incorporated that or anything in the Ute language,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 4: if I'm being honest. That'd be really, really cool. Actually,
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 4: that happened last week, if I'm not mistaken, didn't it?
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 5: There was a game, a.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 4: It was South Dakota state, maybe two teams squared off
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 4: against one another. And they, they both have strong, you know,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 4: native contingent and presence in their, in their student body
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 4: and in their school history. And the, the helmet decals
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 4: on the respective teams in both, both teams was the,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 4: the name of the mascot in the native tongue of
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 4: the region, which really cool. And, and, even though I
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 4: don't like stealing ideas, would be awesome if the University
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 4: of Utah did at some point. Because on a Ute
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 4: Proud game, you actually did stuff in the Ute language.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, it would be pretty cool. Although maybe
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 4: it's just Utah. Since, you know, maybe I just killed
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 4: that idea. Flash and Dash coming in. I love the ideas.
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  Speaker 4: Keep them coming at Real OC Sports or on... 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 4: at what is happening around the NHL and the way
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  Speaker 4: and they've gotten some of the guys we mentioned, the
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  Speaker 4: Logan Cooleys, And the Gunthers and the Kellers and the Schmaltzes,
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  Speaker 4: they've got them signed to long-term deals for what is
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  Speaker 4: so great stuff this week. James, where is Spence today?
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  Speaker 5: Is he in studio? Is he out on the road?
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  Speaker 1: He's out and about. Let me double check.
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  Speaker 4: And now I'm a little bit peanut butter and jealous.
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  Speaker 5: Again, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: OC, I've got my own submission here for a nickname.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Ready for it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: DQ as in double quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 4: No. It's not as good as– it's really– it's fine.
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  Speaker 4: It's really coming down for me to either 50 cent
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  Speaker 4: or half dollar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are both Sir Hamlet, right? Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to you on Twitter.
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  Speaker 4: Sir Hamlet, congratulations. You get 1,000 bonus points, Sir Hamlet.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm going to go half dollar. I think
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  Speaker 4: the second suggestion was my favorite. The half dollar offense
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  Speaker 4: rolls off the tongue.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't have to share any credit with Curtis Jackson,
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  Speaker 4: the actual 50 cent. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like half dollar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm going with. But keep the ideas coming in.
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  Speaker 1: If you can beat half dollar, then we will dethrone
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  Speaker 1: Sir Hamlet. Yeah, not infinite.
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  Speaker 4: It's not infinite. That status is not infinite. So, big
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