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Travis Hines talks Dublin & Cyclones, Mike Palm from Circa Sports & Trent's Picks · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  I'm Hillary Condon. Welcome back.
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  Hour number two of the program. Travis Hines momentarily covers
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  Iowa State for the Des Moines Register.
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  Mike Palm. We'll head to Las Vegas, catch
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  up with AVP of OPS at Circa. That's coming up about 1:30 or
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  so. Trans plays of the day, Circa
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  sports sponsor those about 150 before we bid you would do and
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  send it out to the State Fair where Lucas Strange, Sean
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  Roberts are broadcasting Live Today.
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  Their show from 2 until 5. There is programming on the
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  weekend from noon until 2. Are you aware of that track?
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  I have heard this, yes. Outstanding.
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  I know that one day Alec and Heather will be there, the next
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  day will be. I'm not sure the order, Lucas
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  and Sean, Heather might go anyways.
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  Noon to two here on the KXO for sure.
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  Live from the State Fair, the Crystal Studios.
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  Travis Hines, two weeks from today will be in Ireland.
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  Nice for you. How are you Travis Hines?
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  You looking forward to that trip?
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  I'm doing well, I'm looking forward to it, but as it gets
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  closer I'm also panicking that I'm not ready for it and I have
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  a lot of work to do and packing to do so it's the anxiety
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  spiking, but I'm sure everybody feels very badly for me about.
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  That yeah, absolutely. So everybody thinks he's going
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  over there. He gets to see Ireland on the
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  registers time. It's a little more than that,
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  right? It's it's going to be obviously
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  the times change is going to be significant when it comes to
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  what you're doing. So what do you hope to
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  accomplish? When will you get there?
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  And obviously you'll come home after the game.
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  What will the coverage be like at the Des Moines Register
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  leading up to the game? When do you get to Dublin?
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  I get there Wednesday morning and it is a little bit of a
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  moving target of what coverage looks like.
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  But hopefully my assumption and from what I've heard is that the
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  entire city is going to be awash and cardinal and gold and
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  purple. So I have a feeling it's not
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  going to be overly difficult to find people to talk to about the
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  experience and hopefully can uncover a few Nuggets around
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  Dublin. You know, these are kind of the
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  trips that you really look forward to as a reporter because
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  it's, it's so new and different and, you know, there's really a
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  story around every corner. So I'm, I'm really looking
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  forward to it and hopefully we can provide, you know, some
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  interesting stuff for our readers and listeners and
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  viewers. The football part though is most
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  important for most everybody out there.
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  They'll be of course the other components and what makes this a
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  fun trip and an entertaining 1. So that football part of it,
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  when you look at this squad now, they've been practicing a little
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  bit longer. I know you start to get some
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  Nuggets and passed along. Has your outlook changed much
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  since we go back to spring football?
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  Throughout this summer, through the talking period as we get up
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  to the season, has what you thought about this football team
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  changed at all? I wouldn't say drastically or
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  radically. I think as they've gone through
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  fall and you talk to coaches and you know, a little bit of news
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  and Nuggets makes its way to our ears.
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  I think for me that the areas where it was like, OK, this is a
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  problem or this is something that's got to be solved.
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  I think I've softened a little bit in terms of I think the
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  floor is higher than I maybe would have thought a month or
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  two or even 3 ago, because I do think like the foundation there
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  is pretty strong. And I think talking to Ryan and
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  Clanton the other day, I think that, you know, maybe this is
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  just smoke and mirrors because we have heard it a million
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  times, you know, if the offensive line is able to, but
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  you know, if the offensive line is able to be an area of
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  strength, I think that really does change the ceiling.
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  And I get that that's a big if, especially with the, the, or
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  the, the changes along there that they're going to have.
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  But for, you know, really the first time, I think at least
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  under Clanton, like the number of returners and the guys that
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  you feel probably pretty good about is probably as high as
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  it's been. Like even last this year with
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  Jalen Travis with the injury, you didn't know and like he was
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  huge certainly. But like, is that going to
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  transfer from what he did in the Ivy League?
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  And it did, but you weren't necessarily sure.
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  Where I think I look at it again this year is that the floor is
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  probably higher than I thought and the stealing I think is
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  undetermined. Certainly speaking highly of
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  Tyler Miller and that the fact that the NFL comes up into the
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  conversation and there's teams that are calling Clanton to just
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  pick his brain a little bit on him.
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  Obviously a huge year for Tyler Miller could be, you know, a, a
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  stepping stone to getting paid for playing football at the neck
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  while they do now, don't they? But you get my point.
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  I forgot about that momentarily. But point being, Tyler Miller
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  may have an NFL career and his senior year could go a long way
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  to that. Travis.
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  Yeah, which is again, when you talk to Matt Campbell about
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  Tyler's progression through the program, you know, he felt like
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  when Tyler got to Ames or was probably a question in the back
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  of his mind whether or not he'd actually ever see the field in a
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  Big 12 game. And now here he is as a multi
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  year starter with a potential NFL future.
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  And again, like Tyler Miller is a known quantity.
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  Like the other guy that they've got, you know, on that line is
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  James Neal, who was a one time starter, got demoted and kind of
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  moved around last year. But Clanton was singing his
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  praises hugely the other day. And if he's able to take a step
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  forward where you have a guy on the other end with Tyler Miller,
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  like you're actually talking about building a coherent,
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  strong offensive line. And I think when you have a guy
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  like Tyler Miller back, who's not only has experience, who has
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  talent, but, you know, as both Matt and Ryan mentioned, you
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  know, two young kids at home that he's playing to feed his
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  family, as Ryan Clan said, like, I do think like that kind of
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  stuff matters, especially for a guy, you know, in his final year
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  of collegiate eligibility, you know, essentially trying out for
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  the NFL each Saturday. So I think again, like the hope
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  is high there, but the hope has been high as that position group
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  before. And I've always said, or at
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  least said for the last six or seven years, it's kind of like
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  I'll believe it when I see it for that offensive line.
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  But you know, this might be the the, the most optimism I've
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  heard, you know, at least compared to the last few years
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  there. On the defensive side of the
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  football, the defense remains probably the question outside of
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  Dom Orange Tomato and McDonough. His name keeps coming up.
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  The Yale transfer they add him below not a Tulsa Canon Butler
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  out of you and I. So they brought in a bunch of
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  transfer portal guys to help out on that defensive end front.
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  Maybe it was last year in Canard Snyder because we heard a ton
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  about him and he was going to be the guy that just you never
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  clicked for him a season ago. What makes you believe that
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  maybe this defensive group, this end group that comes in out of
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  the portal is going to be different than what we saw a
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  year ago? Yeah, I think just the volume of
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  guys that you mentioned, those 3 transfers, to me suggests that
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  Iowa State went into the offseason with pretty clear eyes
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  about their shortcomings along the defensive end, specifically
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  at the defensive end spot last year where they only had 7 facts
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  in nine Big 12 games. Like that's just not enough,
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  especially, you know, with the level of quarterback play that
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  they're going to see in the Big 12 this year.
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  And I do think, like when Iowa State has gone to the portal,
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  you know, you mentioned Canard Snyder.
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  That was a guy that didn't pan out probably to the degree that
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  they were hoping for. But historically, when Iowa
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  State goes to the border, that portal, they find productive
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  guys. And, you know, I think I give
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  them a little bit of the benefit of the doubt that when you go
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  and get 3 dudes from that position, like I would bet that
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  they're going to hit it on at least one, if not more.
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  And I think again, like the the first step in, you know, solving
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  a problem is admitting you have 1.
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  And I think obviously Iowa State got there with going to get
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  those three guys. And you talk to Campbell, talk
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  to defensive line coach Eli Rashid, they're pretty upfront
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  about just wasn't good enough last year.
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  And again, usually my experience with Iowa State under Matt
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  Campbell is they're pretty good at self evaluation.
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  And when they do identify an area or two that they feel that
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  they're deficient in, they go out and they try to fix the
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  problem. And more often than not, they've
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  been successful there. I want to go to the running back
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  position. Jake Landry was part of the
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  immediate availability early in the week as well.
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  And we know what Carson Hansen's going to bring.
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  Love his game, hope he can stay healthy.
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  He plays like he tries to run through you.
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  Abu Samit tries to run by you and that you can't teach speed.
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  You've heard that a million times.
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  I was kind of surprised by this and I'll take it as a positive
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  side. Aiden Flora seemed to get more
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  talking points in the press conference that that I I saw the
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  transcript. I didn't actually hear it.
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  Dylan Lee's came up as you would now expect it to.
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  River Peppers, who seemingly is Matt Campbell's guy.
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  He was hardly mentioned, but Flora was a guy that Landry
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  spoke highly about. Might he be not a sleeper in
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  that room, but maybe a guy that might be have more of an impact
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  on that team than some think? Yeah, I'll answer that in with
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  two answers. The 1st is I think that they
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  think a lot of Aiden for like obviously he got a lot of
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  playing time last year for a walk on both in the backfield
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  and on special teams. And they feel like he is a real
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  contributor for this football team and can be somebody that
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  can help them out in a variety of ways.
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  And the second way I'll answer that is a little bit inside
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  baseball. They made Aiden Flora available
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  to the press yesterday and he was the only running back they
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  brought. So he got asked about because he
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  was the guy that we were going to talk about talk too.
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  So that's some of that. But I do think like, certainly,
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  you know, Aiden Flora is a guy, you know, that they talk about
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  as a contributor in that running backroom.
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  That you go the other way. And also Jake Landry was another
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  guy that we were able to hear from.
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  Well, yesterday, I guess it was along with Clanton.
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  Clanton gets me fired up. He, he does a really good job
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  of, of you could see why he's a good offensive line coach,
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  right? Just hearing him talk and, and
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  kind of explain things. Do you have any takeaways
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  though, from Landry? Yeah, I mean, I think Landry
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  really went out of his way to talk about the the room as a
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  whole. Like it was really hard to get a
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  lot of specific answers about how that room is shaking up,
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  which, you know, is not necessarily surprising from any
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  football coach and certainly one that works for Matt Campbell.
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  Like it's it's tough to get a ton of information there.
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  But I do think like again, like that's going to that room I
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  think is going to be top heavy. Like it's going to be Carson
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  Hanson and Abu Sama and it's going to take one or two things
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  I think to unseat those guys like or maybe three injury at
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  which obviously you hope everyone avoids, you know, a
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  lack of production from those two guys or somebody comes out
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  out of left field and is a brief haul and is a David Montgomery
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  guys and we weren't necessarily expecting to be superstars that
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  became him and I'm not really anticipating that.
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  I think it's going to be Carson Hansen.
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  It's going to be a boost on and I, you know, I'm, I think can
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  Carson Hansen be healthy all season long?
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  I'm very curious to see like what that looks like.
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  Is that an elite Big 12 back? And I think the other thing with
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  a Busan, you know, can you mention him running by guys?
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  I think he obviously has that as a huge skill.
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  I think he's at his best when he's trying to run through guys
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  and initiate contact, initiate collisions and violence because
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  he is such a strong, stout short back that he wins a lot of those
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  battles and those collisions when they happen.
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  And sometimes when he gets going east and West, I don't think
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  that's when he's at his best. It it can allow maybe for some
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  of those home runs. But I think with the way Iowa
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  State plays, singles and double s go a long way.
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  And I think Abu can provide more of those if he's willing to to
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  adopt that mindset. If I am going to initiate
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  violence and collision, you know at every opportunity.
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  I know you don't get to watch practice, but listening to
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  coaches, to Clanton, etcetera, to Campbell, who do you
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  anticipate will be this starting center when they, you know, get
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  the ball against K State Black benefits and Hazard apparently
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  in a in a real three-way battle at this point, who do you think
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  ultimately will prevail, Travis? That's a great question.
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  I haven't been able to get a great answer from anybody about
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  what that's going to be. I tend to think that, you know,
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  Boniface has has a little bit of experience there.
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  Black started the last two years at guard.
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  So I think it would take a lot to move him over just because
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  that presumably is his best position and gives Iowa State
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  the best 5 on the field at one time.
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  And I think that'll be the key there of what Clanton and
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  Campbell and Taylor Mauser, the offensive coordinator are going
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  to have to juggle. Like, are you willing to put
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  guys out of their personal best position if it gives you the
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  best 5 on the field? And what does that look like?
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  And you will see. But I think like moving black
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  over could be difficult. But I think, you know, we saw
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  Jared Huffer do that, you know, throughout his career and have
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  his best years at center. So we'll see.
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  I know that's not a very good answer, but like, I guess
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  Boniface would be my guest right now.
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  But I do think like they they scrimmage today.
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  I think that is really where we're going to start to see some
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  separation and some clarity in that depth chart because
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  practice to this point I think has been very Rep heavy to get
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  as many guys, as many reps as possible.
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  And now after this Friday scrimmage, I think it's going to
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  be these are the dudes that were taken to Ireland trying to win
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  the game. And that's really where we're
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  going to start to see, you know, exactly what this football team
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  is going to look like on August 23rd.
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  I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I was surprised
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  earlier this week when the Big 12 announced that 20 of their
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  basketball games are going to be sub licensed through Peacock.
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  The pushback was more. I just got an A notice in my
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  e-mail inbox at Peacock's price just went up.
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  Surprising isn't how that happens.
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  I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was surprised.
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  Just the pushback that was there from Cyclone fans of the
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  disappointment. But I guess it's just our new
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  reality, right Travis? We just, we have to deal with
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  this and if you want to watch the games, this is our reality.
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  Yeah, we really, we really let ourselves down and breaking up
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  cable like we thought we were doing something good. 15 years
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  ago and. We absolutely have shot
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  ourselves. That's a great point.
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  I I don't if I started calculating how much I spend on
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  streaming services, I think my head would explode.
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  So I'm just going to not. And your wife, especially as I
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  keep yeah, they keep jacking up prices.
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  And I, I think like the fan blowback here is warranted.
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  I think we're only going to see more of this as we continue to
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  ask fans for more and more and more.
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  And like, I think a big part of the blowback specifically from
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  Iowa State fans who've had to endure ESPN Plus broadcast is
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  that the quality of broadcast on ESPN Plus, I've watched less of
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  Peacock, but still enough. The quality of broadcast just
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  isn't very good. And I think it's one of those
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  things where it's things were so good.
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  Like you go back 678 years ago, the quality of an ESPN linear
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  broadcast was really good, like as best as we've probably ever
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  seen. And like, maybe that doesn't
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  matter to people, but like the people that are diehards notice
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  it. And now even ESPN linear
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  broadcast, I think the quality has dropped.
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  And certainly ESPN plus, you know, you're just not getting
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  the same quality of a picture of sound of production, like the
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  whole thing. And so I, it gets annoying for
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  the people I think that have became accustomed to those A+
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  broadcast and watch these things so damn much that they notice
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  the difference. And when they're bad, it gets
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  grading. So I get it.
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  And I think we're only going to see more of it.
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  The question is like, are people going to continue to pony up and
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  are these companies going to continue to shrug off complaints
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  because, you know, the checks are cashing?
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  And my last thing for you, Travis, is to, if they do pony
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  up, I think listening to TJ Otzelberger and you know what
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  more better than I do when you listen to him all the time, I
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  get the sense he really likes this team.
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  And I and I think that and I think I can understand why I
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  think the pieces fit. I think they continue to recruit
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  and bring the right people in. I think he's going to maybe not
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  a Final four team like we thought.
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  Maybe there's a chance at one point last season, I know in
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  January, but maybe this is the year.
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  But this is going to be a really good team.
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  And I get that vibe from TJ himself.
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  Do you sense that when you listen to him?
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  Absolutely. I mean, I think that they know
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  that the floor is really high with Tayman, Joshua Jefferson
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  and Milan Munchilovich all coming back as a foundation.
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  I think the question is, what's the ceiling look like with, you
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  know, the returner like Nate Heisey, the new freshman, the
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  transfers, Like how can you go from, we'll call it, AB or AB
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  plus with those 3 foundational guys, can those other guys
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  elevate this team to that, you know, top of the Big 12 Final
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  Four contender? And I think, like, a big reason
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  for optimism is, you know, I asked TJ on Tuesday at the press
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  conference like, who had the best summer, and he said Neil
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  and Manchilovich, and it wasn't particularly close.
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  And I think if you would have asked TJ before the summer
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  started, like if you could have a list of priorities of the
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  things you want to see this summer, a breakout summer from
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  Neil and Manchilovich might have been #1 because I think like the
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  levels to his game that are still available for him to reach
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  are pretty high. Like, again, like I think he has
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  fallen off draft boards right now.
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  And I understandably so. He hasn't reached the heights of
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  being a first round draft pick, of being a lottery pick.
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  But when you talk about a 40% three-point shooter at 6 foot 8
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  with the skills that we've seen Manchilovich flash, like I truly
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  still believe that those are there.
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  Like that possibility of that first round draft pick is there.
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  He's got to go earn it. It's not going to be handed to
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  him like he's lost now the the advantage of the mystery of age
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  that the NBA so often rewards. And he's so now he's got to go
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  out and develop. And everything we've heard about
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  this summer is that's exactly what's happened.
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  Well, enjoy. Dublin game is on Saturday.
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  You'll be in Ames on Tuesday for Matt Campbell's press conference
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  in advance to South Dakota. Man, it comes at you fast.
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  All kidding aside, have a great time over there.
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  We'll read you as we always do at desmoinesregister.com.
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  You and Eugene do a terrific job on the Cyclone's beat.
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  Well done, Travis, thanks for giving us a few minutes here
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  today. Have fun in Dublin.
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  Yep, appreciate it fellas, have a great weekend.
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  Yep, good to talk to you, Travis Ions, as we catch up on Iowa
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  State. But that's a great point.
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  What generation are you guys? What are the 40 something 30
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  some we have you to blame us the.
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  Court cutter. It wasn't me.
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  It was no, it is a little bit younger than me, little bit I
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  was I was yelling at those people at that time.
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  I've been. Great point.
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  Ever thought of? Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaking of that, I got something in an e-mail yesterday
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  that will intrigue you and I'm going to guess say pretty good
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  portion of our audience. OK, what is it?
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  Well, this is a sports talk radio station.
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  We see older, yes, very male. And I'm going to guess in
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  comparison to the rest of the world, we probably have a few
• 18:03
  more DIRECTV subscribers. Hello Condens, You may have
• 18:08
  heard about the upcoming access to Disney Plus, Hulu, and ESPN
• 18:11
  Unlimited. Hang one second, it started out.
• 18:13
  Hello contents. Well, it says hi Tara because
• 18:16
  the DIRECTV is out of my wife's day, but I just simplified
• 18:19
  things. So upcoming access to Disney
• 18:22
  Plus, Hulu and ESPN Unlimited for DIRECTV subscribers.
• 18:27
  Below are the details on the content you will be able to
• 18:29
  access with your current DIRECTV service at no additional charge.
• 18:34
  ESPN soon to launch streaming service, the unlimited plan,
• 18:38
  Disney Plus and the Hulu bundle. We'll get all of them and we'll
• 18:42
  get an e-mail next month with the activation e-mail, blah,
• 18:45
  blah, blah. That's pretty good because we
• 18:48
  pay for that stuff already and now not going to have to pay for
• 18:52
  that stuff for the first time in 15 years.
• 18:56
  A win for DIRECTV subscribers. They don't happen often.
• 18:59
  No. Enjoy that one.
• 19:01
  I did see I I'm not sure. It was one of the people I
• 19:03
  follow on Twitter that if you want to watch every NFL game
• 19:07
  this year, it will cost you in excess of $1000.
• 19:10
  Sounds about right. If you want to stay at home and
• 19:11
  watch the games cost you over a grand.
• 19:15
  You got to have What's Amazon over the air?
• 19:18
  YouTube Does Peacock have a game?
• 19:22
  Yes, I believe they do. An exclusive?
• 19:26
  I think so is Netflix. Exclusive on Black Friday.
• 19:29
  It might be. Yes, Netflix, Yes, has Christmas
• 19:31
  again. Have to have that, of course, if
• 19:33
  you want to watch your team and they're not on 8 or 17, you got
• 19:37
  to have the NFL Ticket and that's not going down in price.
• 19:42
  Week 17 is where Peacock has their exclusive a Saturday night
• 19:46
  game. Over a grand.
• 19:49
  Over a grand. But you divide it by 20
• 19:52
  somethings. 20 somethings out there, I got you to blame.
• 19:56
  Blame the cord 20s and 30s. Those are the kids to blame.
• 19:58
  Don't blame me. What is that generation?
• 20:02
  You know I don't. Generation XI.
• 20:04
  Don't. I'm on the edge.
• 20:05
  I am right on the cut off. I am the last year of Gen.
• 20:08
  X and then it goes to the millennials.
• 20:11
  It's my wife. That's what we can blame.
• 20:14
  That's the group, yes. I don't blame boomers very
• 20:17
  often. Who's a boomer?
• 20:18
  My Boomer. If you are a boomer, come on
• 20:21
  boomer. So divisive.
• 20:24
  We really are. We'll take a time out.
• 20:26
  We'll come back. We'll head to Las Vegas.
• 20:28
  Mike Palm standing by. Catch up with our buddy Mike
• 20:31
  Palm. He's Gen.
• 20:32
  X. He's Gen.
• 20:33
  X. How old is Mike?
• 20:34
  In his fifties, right? Early 50s, maybe even.
• 20:37
  No, I think he's 50 something. You think he's still in his 40s?
• 20:41
  I think he's four or five years older than me, so he's right on
• 20:44
  that. Right on the cusp of five.
• 20:45
  O huh. All right.
• 20:47
  Well, regardless how old he is, he's going to be with us when we
• 20:49
  come back. Miller and Condon talking sports
• 20:51
  with you, by the way, top of the hour off to the fair.
• 20:54
  We will go. We'll be listening to the off
• 20:57
  the bench Sean Roberts, Lucas Strain doing their live doing
• 21:00
  their show live now. They're not in the the air
• 21:03
  conditioned Crystal Studios. Did you hear this story?
• 21:06
  No, they're outside. That was their choice.
• 21:09
  No, it wasn't. I'm guessing it wasn't their
• 21:11
  choice. They just drew the short straw.
• 21:14
  The boys will be broadcasting live outdoors.
• 21:17
  Well, the fat cats down the hall at WHO just sit back in the air
• 21:22
  conditioned. WHO?
• 21:23
  Crystal Studios, Miller and Condon.
• 21:26
  Glad you're with us. Palm Next Iowa Sports Radio
• 21:30
  Network. I'm Mory Condon, welcome back.
• 21:40
  Just past 130 on a Friday. Lucas Strain, Sean Roberts, live
• 21:46
  from the State Fair. They'll do their show from 2:00
• 21:47
  to 5:00 just outside the Crystal Studios.
• 21:50
  Let's head to Las Vegas. Mike Palm is the VP of
• 21:52
  operations at Circa Sports. He's an Iowa guy.
• 21:56
  I'm sure you got to the fair growing up a time or two, did
• 21:59
  you not? Mike Palm.
• 21:59
  It's fair week after all. We much more regularly went to
• 22:04
  the Wisconsin State Fair because, one, my dad loved
• 22:10
  Alabama and they were the headliner about 10 years in a
• 22:13
  row, and two, he said it's the coldest beer he's ever tasted.
• 22:16
  Nice that a boy I never met him, but he just moved up in my book
• 22:20
  for sure. Good stuff Mike.
• 22:24
  I saw something today that that kind of upsets me and I and I
• 22:27
  wish more people would understand that when they see
• 22:30
  these earning reports from some of the big operators, the big
• 22:33
  two and just how much of the betters money that they're
• 22:37
  keeping. I mean, FanDuel, I think it was
• 22:40
  16.7% was their hold for this past quarter.
• 22:44
  I know you guys on a good month would be what, four or five,
• 22:48
  Mike, that's crazy that FanDuel is keeping that much money at
• 22:52
  the expense of their customers. Well, it's a different model,
• 22:56
  Ken. And when Derek goes and speaks
• 22:58
  before the Missouri Gaming Commission on next Tuesday in
• 23:03
  Jefferson City and presents with Van Duel where they, you know,
• 23:07
  Amy Howe will give her presentation, Jason Robbins for
• 23:10
  DraftKings and Derek for Circa. I'm assuming that's who's giving
• 23:13
  them. We know Derek well.
• 23:16
  That's one of the things to contrast, right, of giving 2
• 23:20
  untethered licenses. I believe if you added up the
• 23:23
  five independent bookmakers in Nevada, the five different lines
• 23:27
  that you can get in the state of Nevada to hold, and you've added
• 23:33
  them together, it'd be within about one point of what Bandu
• 23:36
  held last month. What added together?
• 23:38
  Wow. As a percentage, you know, 3 + 4
• 23:41
  + 5 plus. Yeah, our best month ever, we
• 23:43
  held 5:00. We, we our since inception,
• 23:46
  we're at 2.7. This is what we hope.
• 23:49
  Yeah. And that that's the model that
• 23:51
  every sports better should be gravitating towards.
• 23:54
  Yeah, but that's my mind. Well, I, I would say this if you
• 23:57
  were a slot player, right, and you had a choice of playing, if,
• 24:02
  if, if you had equal access, you know, that held 8 to 9% against
• 24:10
  the casino that held 15%. I mean, nobody would say you'd
• 24:13
  be crazy to go play where the slot machines are holding 15.
• 24:17
  Of course, those aren't state regulated.
• 24:18
  Those are some other things. But in sports, people don't seem
• 24:22
  to have that kind of of a sticker shock.
• 24:25
  It is baffling. It's difficult to wrap your mind
• 24:27
  around, but well, we know certainly what circum is and
• 24:30
  we'll keep pushing the message along as we do here across the
• 24:33
  state of Iowa into Illinois. Absolutely.
• 24:36
  And our neighbors and the Quad Cities and across are definitely
• 24:39
  a shout out to all of them. Mike, with that being said, a
• 24:42
  question that we bring up from time to time, but I don't think
• 24:44
  I've asked you in a while, what's the next frontier?
• 24:47
  What's the next sports gambling kind of topic that's people are
• 24:51
  going to be either something new, something innovative.
• 24:54
  We talked a lot about live betting and how that's continued
• 24:57
  to increase. Is there another new frontier
• 24:59
  that you guys are looking at a lot with Circa?
• 25:03
  Well, some of the frontiers that we're looking to do are already
• 25:08
  there, but we needed our tech to get there the same game parlays
• 25:11
  and cash outs and that right, that's why we're we're going to
• 25:14
  you know, fourth quarter in Iowa.
• 25:16
  This is rolling out our new app. We're hope we're hoping
• 25:21
  mid-september. So I guess if we're a few weeks
• 25:22
  later to be fourth quarter, but Iowa and Kentucky are going to
• 25:25
  be the Guinea pigs for six months and then want to try to
• 25:28
  take that to the other States and back to Nevada.
• 25:30
  So that's some of the things, you know, some of the things
• 25:34
  that have come about like props and micro betting.
• 25:38
  I don't know if there won't be retraction because of some of
• 25:41
  the things we've seen, obviously the manipulation of player props
• 25:45
  and the micro betting as well with the Cleveland Guardians
• 25:48
  pitchers. So I don't know.
• 25:50
  I still, I still think that live betting is not a new frontier,
• 25:56
  but it will continue to be the growing frontier as props maybe
• 26:01
  take a bit of a haircut here and there by regulators.
• 26:04
  Live betting won't. And I think that every everybody
• 26:07
  that has a sports book will continue to do everything they
• 26:10
  can to improve their live betting product.
• 26:13
  Mike, I know much you appreciate the game of baseball, as we both
• 26:16
  do, and Trent does as well. And yes, the Jays are my team,
• 26:19
  so I'd be watching anyway. But Scherzer versus Kershaw has
• 26:22
  a great deal of cachet. At least it does to me.
• 26:25
  Guessing likewise to you too, because these guys will never
• 26:28
  see another 300 game winner. These are two and three on the
• 26:31
  list, but two guys that will find their way to Cooperstown
• 26:34
  very quickly when they become eligible.
• 26:37
  Yeah, well, we saw it what how many years ago?
• 26:39
  But it was it was the when they were filling.
• 26:42
  That's the I've watched that clip a lot the last few days in
• 26:45
  Scully, letting everybody know that it it wasn't going to be
• 26:49
  Maddox against Johnson at his 300 and 5052 game winner against
• 26:53
  the 296 or whatever Johnson was at the time.
• 26:56
  But these two kids, Kershaw was 20 and it won three, had three
• 27:01
  wins and Scherzer was 23 and hadn't recorded a Major League
• 27:04
  win yet. I really, I have to say, I
• 27:08
  really still enjoy watching Scherzer in the ground pitch,
• 27:11
  even though they're not at the height of their powers.
• 27:14
  I really like the way that they work a ball game, especially
• 27:17
  search Scherzer and you can see if you're watching the Jays.
• 27:20
  Kenny, there's nights you know he doesn't have a lot of stuff
• 27:23
  and he just battles his way through, getting you 6 innings
• 27:26
  and giving up two or three runs and just fights and fights and
• 27:29
  fights and fights his way through.
• 27:31
  It's a little different than he was when he was at the height of
• 27:33
  his powers and he was doing Max effort every pitch and every, so
• 27:36
  you can't throw Max effort every pitch.
• 27:38
  It's a much different thing now where he has to become a lot
• 27:41
  craftier because he doesn't have that kind of velocity that he
• 27:46
  used to have. So it's a it's a joy to watch
• 27:49
  him pitch and, and we'll be watching it in the sports book
• 27:51
  tonight because it's about the only place you can see Dodger
• 27:54
  games. So taking away what you guys
• 27:57
  already have in terms of futures and the like, if it was just you
• 28:01
  could only make your first bet to win a World Series or win the
• 28:04
  National League Pennant right now.
• 28:06
  If that was the case, should the Phillies be the favorite as it's
• 28:09
  constructed currently, taking all the things that are already
• 28:12
  in their way? No, the Brewers should be the
• 28:16
  same. I believe the Brewers are the
• 28:20
  best team in baseball, and every Brewer fan will tell me to shut
• 28:24
  my mouth and tell me wait. Yeah, and say just wait till
• 28:28
  October. We've seen it so many times
• 28:30
  before. The Dodgers will come in and
• 28:32
  feed them. All right?
• 28:34
  Well, that might happen. But this team, I just love them.
• 28:37
  They're scrappy. How about Priestly?
• 28:40
  How about these kids pitching for them?
• 28:41
  Priestly? And now you get Miss Oroski back
• 28:44
  and and Peralta is finally having the year we've been
• 28:46
  waiting for him to have for five years.
• 28:48
  And it's just, it's I think they can put it all together.
• 28:53
  Does that mean they're going to win it all?
• 28:54
  Baseball has a high variance in the playoffs, as we all know.
• 28:58
  I think the Phillies had the second best team.
• 29:00
  I would put the Dodgers third right now.
• 29:02
  But we never know what it's going to be.
• 29:03
  What if Snell is suddenly healthy?
• 29:05
  What if they what if Ohtani works his way up to 6th inning
• 29:08
  and starts? I mean, right now we're talking
• 29:11
  about, you know, what's the Dodgers rotation going to be in
• 29:14
  A5 game series. And yet in October, in October,
• 29:18
  you might be laying out glass now, followed by Fell, followed
• 29:22
  by Yamamamoto, followed by Otani, and everybody's going to
• 29:26
  say, how are you going to beat that?
• 29:27
  So we're still a long way from October.
• 29:29
  But as right now, if the playoffs started Monday, I'd
• 29:32
  like the Milwaukee 1st and Philly second in the National
• 29:35
  League. Where do you, where do you stand
• 29:36
  on the Cubs, Mike? I mean, I'm inauga the Boyd and
• 29:39
  I'm guessing Kate Horton would number be #3 are they?
• 29:44
  Obviously they're not in your top three.
• 29:45
  How far down do you have to go to find the Cubs?
• 29:47
  You didn't mention the Padres don't have the Mets in there.
• 29:50
  Where would the Cubs be in your quote?
• 29:52
  National League power ranking. I would put the Padres 4th
• 29:56
  behind the Dodgers very closely and then I would have the Mets
• 30:00
  and the Cubs sort of on on that five line together.
• 30:05
  I just hope they hang on so that we can see them in the playoffs.
• 30:08
  And by the way, Kate Horton is the best pitcher right now.
• 30:12
  I mean, he's not going to be the game one starter, but the last
• 30:15
  month he's pitched as well as anybody in Menaga is not fully
• 30:18
  back yet. And the Menaga will be your ace.
• 30:21
  But Horton has been really oppressive and that's what they
• 30:24
  thought when we got this kid. We went down to spring training
• 30:26
  to see him pitch in the rookies game last year.
• 30:28
  Unfortunately, it got it got rained out.
• 30:31
  Well, handicapped in the American League for us as is it
• 30:34
  wide open? It depends on the week a lot of
• 30:38
  times. Mike, what do you see in the AL?
• 30:43
  In the AL, I'm not sure that the Blue Jays aren't the best team.
• 30:49
  I, I just, I, I have a hard time not believing that.
• 30:54
  I think they are, if they could play every game in Colorado
• 30:59
  would be I'm really out on the Yankees.
• 31:03
  The Tigers have lost their way. And who do you try?
• 31:05
  I don't trust Flaherty. So if you don't trust Flaherty,
• 31:09
  you got one guy you can trust in the starting rotation.
• 31:12
  I guess the team that everybody's talking about is
• 31:14
  Seattle. I would I would.
• 31:16
  I would go Toronto one, Seattle 2.
• 31:23
  Astros 3. Astros 3, Detroit 4, Boston
• 31:28
  five. I think that's my American
• 31:29
  League. How busy will it be with the NFL
• 31:32
  preseason? What does that do for business,
• 31:34
  Mike? Here's it's a great question,
• 31:37
  Kenny. So I went through our report in
• 31:38
  detail last night, Doc, we're going to take yesterday in the
• 31:41
  vacuum, but three major sports were played yesterday.
• 31:45
  NFL preseason had three games, Major League Baseball had
• 31:50
  shockingly only four games, and the WNBA had three games right.
• 31:56
  So average right per game WNBA 25,000 Per game Preseason
• 32:04
  football 70,000 Per game Major League Baseball 200,000.
• 32:09
  Per game so. Maybe that surprises people to
• 32:13
  hear that. Much slower limits, of course,
• 32:16
  on preseason football too. And the lines move quickly.
• 32:19
  I mean, the two big line moves were wrong again last night.
• 32:22
  And I saw a stat this morning that if you go back the last
• 32:26
  three years, any game that moves 6 points off the opener in the
• 32:30
  NFL preseason is oh, and eight to the move.
• 32:34
  Everyone has been wrong of the last 8.
• 32:36
  Now that's eight small and a sample, but six point move, all
• 32:40
  8 wrong. So I think if you can know where
• 32:43
  it's going to Crest and go the other way, you got to obviously
• 32:46
  have almost a touchdown advantage for the opener, but
• 32:49
  the steam isn't hasn't been right.
• 32:51
  Two weeks away from Iowa State, K State in Dublin, it looks like
• 32:56
  you guys are taking a little bit of steam on the Wildcats.
• 32:59
  Kansas State now up to a four point favorite at the game on
• 33:02
  the Circus Sports Iowa App and like Iowa State on the money
• 33:05
  line. You can get them now, plus 150
• 33:08
  against the Wildcats and K State movement starting to come in
• 33:10
  here, Mike. K State to win the conference,
• 33:14
  too. They've been they've been the
• 33:15
  team that's taking the money to win.
• 33:17
  They it's so wide open again. Come on.
• 33:20
  I mean, it's not any different than I mean, you got six teams
• 33:23
  that are less than 12:50. So I mean, what does that tell
• 33:26
  you? I guess when Oklahoma and Texas
• 33:28
  left, it leaves this big vacuum of teams that with such parity.
• 33:32
  And the problem is week to week, the bottom beats the top.
• 33:36
  So I mean, there's just, you know, you can't circle your, you
• 33:39
  look at a schedule, say, well, Iowa State, here's 3 sure wins.
• 33:42
  I mean, that's hard to do in the Big 12.
• 33:44
  It's so it's so hard to predict. So, but definitely the team that
• 33:49
  in the last couple weeks that have taken money not just at the
• 33:51
  Dublin game but to win, it's been Kansas State.
• 33:54
  And to your point, exactly right, the bottom beats the top
• 33:57
  is why it just makes me I don't understand why your mark is on
• 34:00
  that hill. He doesn't want the 2 automatic
• 34:02
  biz. He's going to fight for more.
• 34:03
  He's not going to get it because the bottom beats the top.
• 34:06
  Last thing for you Mike contest update.
• 34:08
  How was this past week? Well, we did 2 Brandisimo
• 34:12
  yesterday, so we're up to 13 and we have two more guys with 100
• 34:17
  sitting in the cage that they've wired in.
• 34:19
  So we should be good there. 40 almost 4600 still on pace for
• 34:24
  just over 20 million and the and the survivor and the documentary
• 34:28
  came out this week. If you haven't seen it folks,
• 34:30
  the second year of the doing the documentary circus survivor, the
• 34:33
  quest for 14.2 million is this. But if you go to the YouTube
• 34:37
  Beeson, Beeson has a YouTube page and the 1st 5 episodes are
• 34:42
  posted there. You can watch them on demand.
• 34:44
  Yeah, we highly recommend. And at that this morning we came
• 34:46
  on the air just to get to for people don't understand what
• 34:49
  this contest is like the you'll get a pretty good feel watching
• 34:52
  that documentary. Mike, you have a good weekend.
• 34:54
  Enjoy the baseball tonight and we will talk to you in a week's
• 34:57
  time. Thank you, Mike Palm.
• 34:59
  Thanks. Fellas, good to talk to you Mike
• 35:01
  Palm, VP of OP at Circus Sports. Download the app in the state of
• 35:05
  Iowa. Obviously if you're listening in
• 35:07
  Illinois, it's criminal. I hate to say it, it's 16% hold
• 35:12
  at FanDuel that's taking advantage of their customers.
• 35:16
  Meanwhile, they're holding three 4% at Circa.
• 35:19
  You know why? Because they get more money back
• 35:20
  to the betters. They've got better prices.
• 35:22
  They're not robbing you blind. We talk about this every single
• 35:25
  day with my picks of the day during baseball season.
• 35:27
  The difference in price every single day, it is significant.
• 35:31
  We're talking about a dime, 15 cents, sometimes $0.20 on a
• 35:35
  money line difference at. Circa And here's the thing and
• 35:39
  it's good news and I understand the push back because we get it.
• 35:42
  Yeah, but the other companies apps are so good.
• 35:45
  Sounds like maybe the playing field's about to be levelled
• 35:47
  here in the coming weeks. Last months, Trent's plays of
• 35:50
  the day. Circa sports sponsor those.
• 35:52
  They come up next, our final segment before we pass it off to
• 35:56
  off the bench with Sean and Lucas Miller and Condon talking
• 35:59
  sports with you. Thanks for being with us, Iowa
• 36:01
  Sports Radio Network. I'm Millory Condon, welcome
• 36:07
  back. Final couple of minutes here on
• 36:09
  a Friday. Coming up at the top of the hour
• 36:14
  off the bench, Lucas Strain, Sean Roberts live from the State
• 36:19
  Fair. There is local programming
• 36:21
  tomorrow from in this time slot, noon to two.
• 36:24
  I hope they don't get used to it.
• 36:25
  I'm not giving this up. This is the place to be.
• 36:29
  But either the morning show or the afternoon show or none of
• 36:31
  the order. I think the morning show goes
• 36:33
  tomorrow and the afternoon show goes.
• 36:34
  I believe you're right. I think I am too, and Sean and
• 36:37
  Lucas will be out at the fair on Sunday.
• 36:39
  Anyways, let's make some picks. You're betting football, you're
• 36:42
  betting WNBA, you're betting baseball.
• 36:45
  OK, let's go. Let's start things off and I'm
• 36:47
  going to take the Falcons tonight getting the 3 1/2.
• 36:50
  We talked about that Steam that has been wrong here recently.
• 36:53
  This is another one of those Steam games.
• 36:54
  So I'm going to take the Falcons plus the 3 1/2 tonight at home
• 36:58
  against the Lions. I'm going to go down to the WNBA
• 37:02
  next and I'm going to fade the Liberty against the Wings.
• 37:05
  The Wings healthy though not winning a bunch of games.
• 37:08
  They have been covering overall liberty.
• 37:10
  They've been terrible against the number.
• 37:12
  So we will grab the points here. Give me the 8 with the Dallas
• 37:15
  Wings to Major League Baseball. One of the few times that the
• 37:18
  Twins are going to be a favorite tonight.
• 37:19
  So we're going to take that plus money with the Royals.
• 37:21
  I'll grab the plus 1/19 Lugo against Joe Ryan in that
• 37:25
  matchup. That's pretty juicy.
• 37:26
  It's a good one. And then we finishing up another
• 37:29
  good pitching matchup. Luis Castillo for the Mariners
• 37:32
  against Rasmussen for the Rays. Give me Tampa plus 112 all.
• 37:37
  Right, so good baseball this weekend.
• 37:39
  Well, whatever you're doing, whether you're headed to the
• 37:41
  State Fair with other plans, have fun, Adam.
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  We'll be back on Monday. Noon to 2 is where Trent and I
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  talk sports with you. Thanks for being with us, and
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  thanks for listening to Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports
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  Radio Network.